Sunak into 7-2 with a slew of endorsements. I think he deserves the price, Wallace drifting to 6s.
sunak will appeal to middle class southern woke liberals who want to show they are down with diversity....with his manner he will have no appeal in the red wall...he seems like a rich elitist
When you are incapable of nuanced argument, there is nothing like a good bit of sweeping generalisation eh? Are you a friend of HYUFD?
I thought that was a nuanced argument, considering the main point was that his "manner" wouldn't go down well in the industrial north.
Ah, I see. You are suggesting that was a nuanced euphemism for something else?
Sunak vs Starmer, boring vs boring. Except one is a rich banker and one a working class boy done good.
What is Sunak's strategy for the Red Wall, it sounds like he's going for Cameron 2.0?
At least with him, the culture wars might finally be forgotten about.
Agreed, and it would be very welcome. This country needs serious, proper administration with real policies that deal with the actual, lived issues millions of people are facing - not provocative pinhead-dancing on pronouns and other such Big-Endian Heresies.
FWIW it's similarly a good idea to stop talking about Brexit. Starmer is right to rule out rejoining. We don't need to go through all that again.
Sunak into 7-2 with a slew of endorsements. I think he deserves the price, Wallace drifting to 6s.
sunak will appeal to middle class southern woke liberals who want to show they are down with diversity....with his manner he will have no appeal in the red wall...he seems like a rich elitist
When you are incapable of nuanced argument, there is nothing like a good bit of sweeping generalisation eh? Are you a friend of HYUFD?
its a generalisation thats true, maybe woke southern liberals havent the intelligence to recognise it
Sunak vs Starmer, boring vs boring. Except one is a rich banker and one a working class boy done good.
What is Sunak's strategy for the Red Wall, it sounds like he's going for Cameron 2.0?
At least with him, the culture wars might finally be forgotten about.
The working class boy had the benefit of a grammar school education.
Well, of course, a large part of the argument for grammar schools is that working-class boys/girls have access to them. Not that I agree with it, but it's as well to be aware.
Excellent spot here. Seems old Rishi's been preparing for this moment since December last year (and cunningly didn't register the 4 domain until 2 days ago) https://twitter.com/rsmck/status/1545441827079311360
Sunak into 7-2 with a slew of endorsements. I think he deserves the price, Wallace drifting to 6s.
sunak will appeal to middle class southern woke liberals who want to show they are down with diversity....with his manner he will have no appeal in the red wall...he seems like a rich elitist
When you are incapable of nuanced argument, there is nothing like a good bit of sweeping generalisation eh? Are you a friend of HYUFD?
I thought that was a nuanced argument, considering the main point was that his "manner" wouldn't go down well in the industrial north.
Ah, I see. You are suggesting that was a nuanced euphemism for something else?
You might think that, but please don't put words into my mouth.
Sunak into 7-2 with a slew of endorsements. I think he deserves the price, Wallace drifting to 6s.
sunak will appeal to middle class southern woke liberals who want to show they are down with diversity....with his manner he will have no appeal in the red wall...he seems like a rich elitist
When you are incapable of nuanced argument, there is nothing like a good bit of sweeping generalisation eh? Are you a friend of HYUFD?
its a generalisation thats true, maybe woke southern liberals havent the intelligence to recognise it
Are all people that do not share your world (flat earth?) view "woke liberals"?
Is it also woke to use punctuation? Is the apostrophe a leftish invention? The comma a weak excuse for a pause?Come to think of it, I'd say it was more capitalist, as it often confers ownership. All power to the apostrophe I say!
Excellent spot here. Seems old Rishi's been preparing for this moment since December last year (and cunningly didn't register the 4 domain until 2 days ago) https://twitter.com/rsmck/status/1545441827079311360
Sunak into 7-2 with a slew of endorsements. I think he deserves the price, Wallace drifting to 6s.
sunak will appeal to middle class southern woke liberals who want to show they are down with diversity....with his manner he will have no appeal in the red wall...he seems like a rich elitist
He's basically Cameron 2.0.
Cameron won. I think the Tories would take that.
They'd be fools to. They need some time out of government. But they will cling to power as long as possible instead of looking at the bigger picture or the longer term.
cameron wasnt facing fuel bills of >£3000 per annum and 10% inflation
We aren't either.
I'll be getting £550 back so far, I think. And I'll be reducing my monthly payments to take the £400 element paid through the energy company into account, which will be a reduction of £35 per month for the year.
Sunak vs Starmer, boring vs boring. Except one is a rich banker and one a working class boy done good.
What is Sunak's strategy for the Red Wall, it sounds like he's going for Cameron 2.0?
At least with him, the culture wars might finally be forgotten about.
The working class boy had the benefit of a grammar school education.
Well, of course, a large part of the argument for grammar schools is that working-class boys/girls have access to them. Not that I agree with it, but it's as well to be aware.
Well, not Reigate anyway given it's now a private school (and became one while he was there).
Sunak into 7-2 with a slew of endorsements. I think he deserves the price, Wallace drifting to 6s.
sunak will appeal to middle class southern woke liberals who want to show they are down with diversity....with his manner he will have no appeal in the red wall...he seems like a rich elitist
When you are incapable of nuanced argument, there is nothing like a good bit of sweeping generalisation eh? Are you a friend of HYUFD?
its a generalisation thats true, maybe woke southern liberals havent the intelligence to recognise it
I think we need to know where you live, roughly, so we can judge whether you're sufficiently northern to have our respect.
i have lived all over the country, london and the north so i know of what i speak....
Wallace can act as Kingmaker and secure foreign sec if he wants it from any of the candidates imo.
I know it is one of the Great Offices of State, but in the modern age with PMs doing so much travel and face to faces with world leaders, is the Foreign Office really better than Defence? Health is probably more important too, for the public, but not very glamorous.
Sunak into 7-2 with a slew of endorsements. I think he deserves the price, Wallace drifting to 6s.
sunak will appeal to middle class southern woke liberals who want to show they are down with diversity....with his manner he will have no appeal in the red wall...he seems like a rich elitist
When you are incapable of nuanced argument, there is nothing like a good bit of sweeping generalisation eh? Are you a friend of HYUFD?
its a generalisation thats true, maybe woke southern liberals havent the intelligence to recognise it
Are all people that do not share your world (flat earth?) view "woke liberals"?
Is it also woke to use punctuation? Is the apostrophe a leftish invention? The comma a weak excuse for a pause?Come to think of it, I'd say it was more capitalist, as it often confers ownership. All power to the apostrophe I say!
what im saying is woke liberals often overestimate their intelligence and then start to utter total stupidities....not their fault i sympathise with them....
Excellent spot here. Seems old Rishi's been preparing for this moment since December last year (and cunningly didn't register the 4 domain until 2 days ago) https://twitter.com/rsmck/status/1545441827079311360
Rishi was ready with Ready For Rishi.
Isn't his other problem that he was one of the original MPs who thought making Boris PM was a good idea?
Sunak into 7-2 with a slew of endorsements. I think he deserves the price, Wallace drifting to 6s.
sunak will appeal to middle class southern woke liberals who want to show they are down with diversity....with his manner he will have no appeal in the red wall...he seems like a rich elitist
When you are incapable of nuanced argument, there is nothing like a good bit of sweeping generalisation eh? Are you a friend of HYUFD?
its a generalisation thats true, maybe woke southern liberals havent the intelligence to recognise it
I think we need to know where you live, roughly, so we can judge whether you're sufficiently northern to have our respect.
i have lived all over the country, london and the north so i know of what i speak....
that doesn't seem true
why not ive lived in inner london i know what its like
Wallace can act as Kingmaker and secure foreign sec if he wants it from any of the candidates imo.
I know it is one of the Great Offices of State, but in the modern age with PMs doing so much travel and face to faces with world leaders, is the Foreign Office really better than Defence? Health is probably more important too, for the public, but not very glamorous.
I wonder if he is just Army through and through and being Defence Minister is a dream job and a good stepping stone if he wants the top NATO job.
Not all people want “bigger” more prestigious jobs and maybe he’s one of these.
I believe he also has a young family and so why would you want to spend years potentially jetting off to all corners and miss your children growing up? Unless they are horrid children of course.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
You're not stating facts, though. You are stating opinions, or at best unsupported conjectures.
i am stating observable facts on the ground...the woke middle class couple who move to brixton and praise the vibrancy and diversity bur dont work in the area...dont send their kids to schools in the area and dont have much contact with the diversity other than at the local restaurant...once kids are in the offing off they foxtrot to lily white guildford or sevenoaks...still praising the diversity though
Weirdly, though, those London schools are performing better than those in the rest of the country: around half (51 per cent) of London children on free school meals achieve A* to C in English and maths GCSE, compared with a third of pupils on free school meals in all other English regions
Pretty much all the best performing local authorities for education are now in London. Tower Hamlets is fifth in the country.
The highest-placed area outside the capital is Rushcliffe in Nottinghamshire, ranked 15th-best
Doesn't this actual data - from the Government's Own "State of the Nation" report - rather give lie to your assertions?
There was a very successful project to improve schools standards in Greater London a few years back. Blairism at its best. Almost ideology free. The after effects are still being felt.
yes well the indians in west london are keen on education as are the chinese....west indians not so much so it will be a mixed bag
And yet Tower Hamlets is the fifth best performing LA in the country for educational results.
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
They really cannot find their way out of the Wokefinder Generals clutches can they?
It isn't going to win them an election.
actually foxy a hard line on immigration plus for example a repeal of gay marriage may win them the election as it would get big red wall support...
Maybe the red wall in Russia, but not here!
i dont think you know the red wall Foxy...there is a big Muslim vote there too and a repeal of gay marriage could swing big blocks towards the conservatives
a) Gay marriage is never going to be repealed.
b) Why do you think Muslims in the red wall are different to Muslims in Leicester?
I wouldn't expect our new troll to know, but they are different. Most Muslims in Leicester are Gujerati or Bengali, while those in the "Red Wall" are mostly Pakistani.
I don't find the "Red Wall" a very useful shorthand. I think old coalfields is a better description. These are places now 35 years post pit closures and strike, so different cultures and occupations.
No surprise Sunak has launched a bid but I think he will end up the next Michael Portillo or David Miliband than the next Tony Blair or David Cameron
Well, which? Portillo ran on a reforming, modern, socially liberal agenda which paved the later way for Cameron Milliband was a useless prick with a banana
Sunak into 7-2 with a slew of endorsements. I think he deserves the price, Wallace drifting to 6s.
sunak will appeal to middle class southern woke liberals who want to show they are down with diversity....with his manner he will have no appeal in the red wall...he seems like a rich elitist
When you are incapable of nuanced argument, there is nothing like a good bit of sweeping generalisation eh? Are you a friend of HYUFD?
its a generalisation thats true, maybe woke southern liberals havent the intelligence to recognise it
Are all people that do not share your world (flat earth?) view "woke liberals"?
Is it also woke to use punctuation? Is the apostrophe a leftish invention? The comma a weak excuse for a pause?Come to think of it, I'd say it was more capitalist, as it often confers ownership. All power to the apostrophe I say!
what im saying is woke liberals often overestimate their intelligence and then start to utter total stupidities....not their fault i sympathise with them....
I am not woke which is clearly why I always underestimate my intelligence.
Excellent spot here. Seems old Rishi's been preparing for this moment since December last year (and cunningly didn't register the 4 domain until 2 days ago) https://twitter.com/rsmck/status/1545441827079311360
Rishi was ready with Ready For Rishi.
Isn't his other problem that he was one of the original MPs who thought making Boris PM was a good idea?
Making Boris PM moved him from 250/1 to favourite, so he was right on that from a tactical perspective.....
Excellent spot here. Seems old Rishi's been preparing for this moment since December last year (and cunningly didn't register the 4 domain until 2 days ago) https://twitter.com/rsmck/status/1545441827079311360
Rishi was ready with Ready For Rishi.
Isn't his other problem that he was one of the original MPs who thought making Boris PM was a good idea?
If he had refused to become Chancellor on Javid walking out, he would have destroyed Cummings and very possibly Johnson there and then and a great deal of aggro might have been avoided. No Chancellor a few hours before a major financial statement would have been calamitous for Johnson.
Any graphic designers want to weigh in on Sunak's (sorry, Rishi's) campaign logo Not sure that is official conservative blue, but the "I" also serving as an exclamation point is a nice touch.
Undertook an experiment by showing pictures of all the declared or thought to be declared candidates to my go to anecdote relative - working class, 65, Boris fan - and asked for their immediate opinion just from looking at their official photos. I gave no names or details.
Tugendhat - boyish, how old is he supposed to be? Truss - seems alright Braverman - Nope Hunt - Looks really weird Mordaunt - Not sure Berry - looks like someone is squeezing his balls just off shot Baker - Looks alright. Zahawi - Nope Javid - Definitely not Wallace - Literally no opinion could form Badenoch - Seems approachable, decent Wiggin - untrustworthy Baron - too smiley (note from me: harsh, it is an official photo) Davis – Looks too strict
Sunak - the only one they actually recognised. 'Definitely don't trust him. Thinks because his wife is rich everyone is. Toys with people'.
Blank canvas against, Baker, Truss and Badenoch it is.
(He did accept it would take time to get used to any new people)
Badenoch will upset the race identity politics mob in other parties.
Was she not the one that Dawn Butler labelled a "Racial Gatekeeper"?
Sunak into 7-2 with a slew of endorsements. I think he deserves the price, Wallace drifting to 6s.
sunak will appeal to middle class southern woke liberals who want to show they are down with diversity....with his manner he will have no appeal in the red wall...he seems like a rich elitist
When you are incapable of nuanced argument, there is nothing like a good bit of sweeping generalisation eh? Are you a friend of HYUFD?
its a generalisation thats true, maybe woke southern liberals havent the intelligence to recognise it
I think we need to know where you live, roughly, so we can judge whether you're sufficiently northern to have our respect.
i have lived all over the country, london and the north so i know of what i speak....
that doesn't seem true
why not ive lived in inner london i know what its like
Inner London is quite a diverse (not in the way you have a problem with) place. The elephant and castle is somewhat different to Chelsea and Covent Garden different to Camden upon Hull. So just having lived in “inner London” doesn’t really say much as to insight.
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
They really cannot find their way out of the Wokefinder Generals clutches can they?
It isn't going to win them an election.
actually foxy a hard line on immigration plus for example a repeal of gay marriage may win them the election as it would get big red wall support...
You think that repealing gay marriage would win the Conservatives votes in the Red Wall?
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
They really cannot find their way out of the Wokefinder Generals clutches can they?
It isn't going to win them an election.
actually foxy a hard line on immigration plus for example a repeal of gay marriage may win them the election as it would get big red wall support...
Maybe the red wall in Russia, but not here!
i dont think you know the red wall Foxy...there is a big Muslim vote there too and a repeal of gay marriage could swing big blocks towards the conservatives
a) Gay marriage is never going to be repealed.
b) Why do you think Muslims in the red wall are different to Muslims in Leicester?
I wouldn't expect our new troll to know, but they are different. Most Muslims in Leicester are Gujerati or Bengali, while those in the "Red Wall" are mostly Pakistani.
I don't find the "Red Wall" a very useful shorthand. I think old coalfields is a better description. These are places now 35 years post pit closures and strike, so different cultures and occupations.
Gay marriage will be repealed eventually Foxy as a populist govt takes power but maybe not until the 2030s...by then your views may be looking out of date and old fashioned....a bit like our gp service
Any graphic designers want to weigh in on Sunak's (sorry, Rishi's) campaign logo Not sure that is official conservative blue, but the "I" also serving as an exclamation point is a nice touch.
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
God, they’re going to get worse before they get better, aren’t they?
Yet again appealing to a shrinking and ageing segment of the electorate.
Next stop a grilling by the triple-lock conservation society followed by a multi choice test on imperial weights and measures.
the assumption the young are pro woke is wrong....yes the metropolitan middle class youth are i agree...not so much the working class youth in the north...these people are conformist but as soon as a strong leader pushes back against woke they will follow
Attitudes towards homosexuality have changed dramatically in the last fifty years, irrespective of social class.
Everyone now has gay friends. And I mean, everyone
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
They really cannot find their way out of the Wokefinder Generals clutches can they?
It isn't going to win them an election.
actually foxy a hard line on immigration plus for example a repeal of gay marriage may win them the election as it would get big red wall support...
Maybe the red wall in Russia, but not here!
i dont think you know the red wall Foxy...there is a big Muslim vote there too and a repeal of gay marriage could swing big blocks towards the conservatives
a) Gay marriage is never going to be repealed.
b) Why do you think Muslims in the red wall are different to Muslims in Leicester?
I wouldn't expect our new troll to know, but they are different. Most Muslims in Leicester are Gujerati or Bengali, while those in the "Red Wall" are mostly Pakistani.
I don't find the "Red Wall" a very useful shorthand. I think old coalfields is a better description. These are places now 35 years post pit closures and strike, so different cultures and occupations.
Gay marriage will be repealed eventually Foxy as a populist govt takes power but maybe not until the 2030s...by then your views may be looking out of date and old fashioned....a bit like our gp service
Yay, there we have it - MickTrain back and fell into the GP service criticism at Foxy.
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
They really cannot find their way out of the Wokefinder Generals clutches can they?
It isn't going to win them an election.
actually foxy a hard line on immigration plus for example a repeal of gay marriage may win them the election as it would get big red wall support...
You think that repealing gay marriage would win the Conservatives votes in the Red Wall?
no i think restricting immigration would more but repeal of gay marriage would appeal to the sizeable muslim vote there plus many of the older red wall generation
Undertook an experiment by showing pictures of all the declared or thought to be declared candidates to my go to anecdote relative - working class, 65, Boris fan - and asked for their immediate opinion just from looking at their official photos. I gave no names or details.
Tugendhat - boyish, how old is he supposed to be? Truss - seems alright Braverman - Nope Hunt - Looks really weird Mordaunt - Not sure Berry - looks like someone is squeezing his balls just off shot Baker - Looks alright. Zahawi - Nope Javid - Definitely not Wallace - Literally no opinion could form Badenoch - Seems approachable, decent Wiggin - untrustworthy Baron - too smiley (note from me: harsh, it is an official photo) Davis – Looks too strict
Sunak - the only one they actually recognised. 'Definitely don't trust him. Thinks because his wife is rich everyone is. Toys with people'.
Blank canvas against, Baker, Truss and Badenoch it is.
(He did accept it would take time to get used to any new people)
Badenoch will upset the race identity politics mob in other parties.
Was she not the one that Dawn Butler labelled a "Racial Gatekeeper"?
Kemi Badenoch has been brilliant in the Equalities role, totally straight and polite as the identity politics mob went mad over her, because it should be illegal to be black and conservative. Or something.
Probably a little inexperienced for the top job right now, but maybe next time around.
Undertook an experiment by showing pictures of all the declared or thought to be declared candidates to my go to anecdote relative - working class, 65, Boris fan - and asked for their immediate opinion just from looking at their official photos. I gave no names or details.
Tugendhat - boyish, how old is he supposed to be? Truss - seems alright Braverman - Nope Hunt - Looks really weird Mordaunt - Not sure Berry - looks like someone is squeezing his balls just off shot Baker - Looks alright. Zahawi - Nope Javid - Definitely not Wallace - Literally no opinion could form Badenoch - Seems approachable, decent Wiggin - untrustworthy Baron - too smiley (note from me: harsh, it is an official photo) Davis – Looks too strict
Sunak - the only one they actually recognised. 'Definitely don't trust him. Thinks because his wife is rich everyone is. Toys with people'.
Blank canvas against, Baker, Truss and Badenoch it is.
(He did accept it would take time to get used to any new people)
Badenoch will upset the race identity politics mob in other parties.
Was she not the one that Dawn Butler labelled a "Racial Gatekeeper"?
Kemi Badenoch has been brilliant in the Equalities role, totally straight and polite as the identity politics mob went mad over her, because it should be illegal to be black and conservative. Or something.
Probably a little inexperienced for the top job right now, but maybe next time around.
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
They really cannot find their way out of the Wokefinder Generals clutches can they?
It isn't going to win them an election.
actually foxy a hard line on immigration plus for example a repeal of gay marriage may win them the election as it would get big red wall support...
Maybe the red wall in Russia, but not here!
i dont think you know the red wall Foxy...there is a big Muslim vote there too and a repeal of gay marriage could swing big blocks towards the conservatives
a) Gay marriage is never going to be repealed.
b) Why do you think Muslims in the red wall are different to Muslims in Leicester?
I wouldn't expect our new troll to know, but they are different. Most Muslims in Leicester are Gujerati or Bengali, while those in the "Red Wall" are mostly Pakistani.
I don't find the "Red Wall" a very useful shorthand. I think old coalfields is a better description. These are places now 35 years post pit closures and strike, so different cultures and occupations.
Gay marriage will be repealed eventually Foxy as a populist govt takes power but maybe not until the 2030s...by then your views may be looking out of date and old fashioned....a bit like our gp service
So your position is that either a majority are against gay marriage now and are being ignored, or that sometime in the next decade there will be a majority against gay marriage?
I'm really curious what your basis for that is - Is there polling showing discontent with the law, which is on the rise? Is there not a majority now, but for some reason the coming decade will see one?
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
They really cannot find their way out of the Wokefinder Generals clutches can they?
It isn't going to win them an election.
actually foxy a hard line on immigration plus for example a repeal of gay marriage may win them the election as it would get big red wall support...
Maybe the red wall in Russia, but not here!
i dont think you know the red wall Foxy...there is a big Muslim vote there too and a repeal of gay marriage could swing big blocks towards the conservatives
a) Gay marriage is never going to be repealed.
b) Why do you think Muslims in the red wall are different to Muslims in Leicester?
I wouldn't expect our new troll to know, but they are different. Most Muslims in Leicester are Gujerati or Bengali, while those in the "Red Wall" are mostly Pakistani.
I don't find the "Red Wall" a very useful shorthand. I think old coalfields is a better description. These are places now 35 years post pit closures and strike, so different cultures and occupations.
Gay marriage will be repealed eventually Foxy as a populist govt takes power but maybe not until the 2030s...by then your views may be looking out of date and old fashioned....a bit like our gp service
Yay, there we have it - MickTrain back and fell into the GP service criticism at Foxy.
And he lapsed into the matery, but doesn't sound so much like s dog-food emporium this time.
Would it be too much to ask, just for once, for an education minister who isn't batshit crazy?
Not that it's traditionally made much difference, given the state of the department itself, but it would be a pleasant change.
Didn't we have one of those on Wednesday?
I am surprised ydoethur would not praise the least disruptive Education Secretary we've ever had.
You have to remember she was in the department for a while beforehand, including under Williamson. Ruining, er, running the HE side of things.
Although at least she was unique among actual education secretaries in not committing any enormous avoidable policy fuckups in her tenure of that role.
What was it the sage wrote of the 1st Earl of Bath: he ran 'the most wise and honest of all administrations, the minister having ... never transacted one rash thing; and, what is more marvellous, left as much money in the Ty. as he found in it!'
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
They really cannot find their way out of the Wokefinder Generals clutches can they?
It isn't going to win them an election.
actually foxy a hard line on immigration plus for example a repeal of gay marriage may win them the election as it would get big red wall support...
Maybe the red wall in Russia, but not here!
i dont think you know the red wall Foxy...there is a big Muslim vote there too and a repeal of gay marriage could swing big blocks towards the conservatives
The Red Wall isn't in Russia. I know things like gay marriage are not popular over there.
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
They really cannot find their way out of the Wokefinder Generals clutches can they?
It isn't going to win them an election.
actually foxy a hard line on immigration plus for example a repeal of gay marriage may win them the election as it would get big red wall support...
Maybe the red wall in Russia, but not here!
i dont think you know the red wall Foxy...there is a big Muslim vote there too and a repeal of gay marriage could swing big blocks towards the conservatives
a) Gay marriage is never going to be repealed.
b) Why do you think Muslims in the red wall are different to Muslims in Leicester?
I wouldn't expect our new troll to know, but they are different. Most Muslims in Leicester are Gujerati or Bengali, while those in the "Red Wall" are mostly Pakistani.
I don't find the "Red Wall" a very useful shorthand. I think old coalfields is a better description. These are places now 35 years post pit closures and strike, so different cultures and occupations.
Gay marriage will be repealed eventually Foxy as a populist govt takes power but maybe not until the 2030s...by then your views may be looking out of date and old fashioned....a bit like our gp service
Yay, there we have it - MickTrain back and fell into the GP service criticism at Foxy.
Any graphic designers want to weigh in on Sunak's (sorry, Rishi's) campaign logo Not sure that is official conservative blue, but the "I" also serving as an exclamation point is a nice touch.
"Ready for x" always sounds a bit weak.
Should be "Down with Dominic"
Raab v Javid would be epic. If I were Raab in that situation I'd go the membership with a simple message:
Hahaha oh God, is it a crywank? It's a crywank isn't it?
Actually no. It's actually a rather amusing aside, and almost sweet despite the subject. Over the coming weeks we will be regaled with dozens of personal recollections, from around the world, of the man who has dominated British politics this last half decade. Some of them will paint him as a foolish clown, others as a flawed genius, others will see him as Leaver saint or Brexiteering Satan, but my Boris Johnson story might be the only one involving medically dangerous levels of masturbation
Undertook an experiment by showing pictures of all the declared or thought to be declared candidates to my go to anecdote relative - working class, 65, Boris fan - and asked for their immediate opinion just from looking at their official photos. I gave no names or details.
Tugendhat - boyish, how old is he supposed to be? Truss - seems alright Braverman - Nope Hunt - Looks really weird Mordaunt - Not sure Berry - looks like someone is squeezing his balls just off shot Baker - Looks alright. Zahawi - Nope Javid - Definitely not Wallace - Literally no opinion could form Badenoch - Seems approachable, decent Wiggin - untrustworthy Baron - too smiley (note from me: harsh, it is an official photo) Davis – Looks too strict
Sunak - the only one they actually recognised. 'Definitely don't trust him. Thinks because his wife is rich everyone is. Toys with people'.
Blank canvas against, Baker, Truss and Badenoch it is.
(He did accept it would take time to get used to any new people)
Badenoch will upset the race identity politics mob in other parties.
Was she not the one that Dawn Butler labelled a "Racial Gatekeeper"?
Kemi Badenoch has been brilliant in the Equalities role, totally straight and polite as the identity politics mob went mad over her, because it should be illegal to be black and conservative. Or something.
Probably a little inexperienced for the top job right now, but maybe next time around.
"Identity politics mob" = weirdos on Twitter.
These issues do not matter to anyone.
Weirdos on the benches opposite, as there were from 2015 until 2019.
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
They really cannot find their way out of the Wokefinder Generals clutches can they?
It isn't going to win them an election.
actually foxy a hard line on immigration plus for example a repeal of gay marriage may win them the election as it would get big red wall support...
Maybe the red wall in Russia, but not here!
i dont think you know the red wall Foxy...there is a big Muslim vote there too and a repeal of gay marriage could swing big blocks towards the conservatives
The Red Wall isn't in Russia. I know things like gay marriage are not popular over there.
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
They really cannot find their way out of the Wokefinder Generals clutches can they?
It isn't going to win them an election.
actually foxy a hard line on immigration plus for example a repeal of gay marriage may win them the election as it would get big red wall support...
You think that repealing gay marriage would win the Conservatives votes in the Red Wall?
no i think restricting immigration would more but repeal of gay marriage would appeal to the sizeable muslim vote there plus many of the older red wall generation
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FWIW it's similarly a good idea to stop talking about Brexit. Starmer is right to rule out rejoining. We don't need to go through all that again.
Not Baker, I think he really is an all or nothing kind of person.
Some my appreciate those aspects, but it doesn’t seem like an election winning triad.
Is it also woke to use punctuation? Is the apostrophe a leftish invention? The comma a weak excuse for a pause?Come to think of it, I'd say it was more capitalist, as it often confers ownership. All power to the apostrophe I say!
I'll be getting £550 back so far, I think. And I'll be reducing my monthly payments to take the £400 element paid through the energy company into account, which will be a reduction of £35 per month for the year.
If you look at the actual data, the UK support package is the largest in Europe.
https://www.bruegel.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/PDF-methodology-for-the-figure.pdf
https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/lifestyle/next-prime-minister-boris-johnson-seal-b2118777.html
But the Red Wall do not agree.
Mind you I imagine she is landing about now
Kinda weird qualifying. Well, pretend-qualifying, for the pretend-race.
Isn't his other problem that he was one of the original MPs who thought making Boris PM was a good idea?
Johnson: 'hold my cheese and wine.'
Not all people want “bigger” more prestigious jobs and maybe he’s one of these.
I believe he also has a young family and so why would you want to spend years potentially jetting off to all corners and miss your children growing up? Unless they are horrid children of course.
How do you explain that?
I don't find the "Red Wall" a very useful shorthand. I think old coalfields is a better description. These are places now 35 years post pit closures and strike, so different cultures and occupations.
[For the avoidance of doubt, this is purely in jest.]
Portillo ran on a reforming, modern, socially liberal agenda which paved the later way for Cameron
Milliband was a useless prick with a banana
He did not make that choice.
Was she not the one that Dawn Butler labelled a "Racial Gatekeeper"?
Would it be too much to ask, just for once, for an education minister who isn't batshit crazy?
Not that it's traditionally made much difference, given the state of the department itself, but it would be a pleasant change.
Everyone now has gay friends. And I mean, everyone
But nah, he definitely won’t do anything mad in his lame duck.
"Sean Thomas
How Boris Johnson changed my life
8 July 2022, 2:57pm" (£)
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-boris-johnson-gave-me-a-hand-in-life
Probably a little inexperienced for the top job right now, but maybe next time around.
These issues do not matter to anyone.
I'm really curious what your basis for that is - Is there polling showing discontent with the law, which is on the rise? Is there not a majority now, but for some reason the coming decade will see one?
These people will all be gone once the new administration takes over in a month or so.
Although at least she was unique among actual education secretaries in not committing any enormous avoidable policy fuckups in her tenure of that role.
What was it the sage wrote of the 1st Earl of Bath: he ran 'the most wise and honest of all administrations, the minister having ... never transacted one rash thing; and, what is more marvellous, left as much money in the Ty. as he found in it!'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short-lived_ministry
Maybe he has now decided he wants to be VONC and out next week in order to feed the "Great Boris Betrayal" myth further.
PS So quickly you could well have missed him.
Over the coming weeks we will be regaled with dozens of personal recollections, from around the world, of the man who has dominated British politics this last half decade. Some of them will paint him as a foolish clown, others as a flawed genius, others will see him as Leaver saint or Brexiteering Satan, but my Boris Johnson story might be the only one involving medically dangerous levels of masturbation
Complete with a flint dildo!
Declared: Braverman, Sunak, Tugendhat
Publicly expressed interest: Badenoch, Baker, Baron, Berry, Buckland, Chishti, Davis, Dorries, Javid, Mordaunt, Shapps, Truss, Wallace, Wiggin, Zahawi
Potential: Barclay, Hunt, Kwarteng, McVey, Patel
Declined: Ellwood, Gove, Hancock, Harper, Raab
Cleverly and Leadsom have disappeared from the Declined list, Gove has returned.