I'll join all these retirement celebrations once the probability of his return as PM is close to zero. As far as I can tell he should be a favourite for the next Tory leader bar one.
Have been thinking about the best @Dominic2306-style three-word tag line for Labour and Starmer. Perhaps it’ll work for one of the Tory leadership candidates, too.
Starmer will peak over the summer. The new Tory leader, whoever they are, will get a honeymoon. It will start to unwind, because the economic and political fundamentals are horrific. The Tory choice will dictate the speed of that unwind. Pick the wrong person and it will be fast. Best case six months. Either way Starmer will start to rise again.
Indeed, a honeymoon Tory lead of circa 6 to 8 points, but a Brown era missed election opportunity won't work as voters are already hurting and that gap will close fast.
If they get a lead, cut and run. They either get 5 years to ride out the storm or minority Labour take the hit. No lead then Jan 25 it is
A bit of a risk to take for the new leader to become PM for only 6 weeks. Mrs May's 2017 effort would be a salutary lesson to anyone who tried.
Depends on how bad the projections are for 2023 and 2024......
Voters don't care about projections as they collect their box from the foodbank and hand over the keys to their repossessed Kia.
Starmer will peak over the summer. The new Tory leader, whoever they are, will get a honeymoon. It will start to unwind, because the economic and political fundamentals are horrific. The Tory choice will dictate the speed of that unwind. Pick the wrong person and it will be fast. Best case six months. Either way Starmer will start to rise again.
Here's the graph from 1987-92;
You can see the big Maggie-to-Major swing in the individual points; Conservatives gaining 10 points or so, which would be happy days for the Blue team.
But it washed out pretty quickly; the Conservative share had been driving up since spring 1990, and started to turn down again early in 1991.
The undertones are always more important than the daily noise.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
You say "bonkers" as if they're suffering from some sort of false consciousness. But maybe it isn't false consciousness at all and they genuinely support him and his policies and are entirely rational and logical to do so. The fact he went to Eton is irrelevant to any of that.
Yeah, cos Johnson gives a damn about them and what they want. And his policies would deliver them their wishes. Right.
They're like poor Americans voting for Trump.
Listen i dont like your dismissal of some of these people...they are human beings like we all are and frankly the hypocrisy of southern woke liberals praising diversity but then doing their utmost to move away from it is much more risible
Do you honestly believe that "Northern Monkey" is a Southerner?
I would assume he is a Northerner but isn't a monkey.
What if he is a monkey from the northern part of that monkey’s range. As most (all?) monkey’s ranges are further south than southern England, that would mean he can’t be a Northerner in the sense of someone from northern England.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
Liberal Democrats GAIN from Labour. Changes w/ 2022.
Interesting one. Labour gained unexpectedly in May and the guy had just accepted a job offer so he stood down immediately. Labour punished for wasting everyones time but LD the beneficiaries given the unelectability of a mid nervous breakdown tory party. Tories put out 'hes gone please vote for us' leaflets on the day NHP is national housing party whos proclamations on twitter want to end immigration and lists some non white politicians and questions their britishness saying it is 'modern day identity theft'. They got ONE vote, presumably the candidate and party founder. Wanker.
From the statement of persons nominated, I don't believe the NHP candidate lives in Hampstead, so the hunt for his one voter goes on!
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
You say "bonkers" as if they're suffering from some sort of false consciousness. But maybe it isn't false consciousness at all and they genuinely support him and his policies and are entirely rational and logical to do so. The fact he went to Eton is irrelevant to any of that.
Yeah, cos Johnson gives a damn about them and what they want. And his policies would deliver them their wishes. Right.
They're like poor Americans voting for Trump.
Listen i dont like your dismissal of some of these people...they are human beings like we all are and frankly the hypocrisy of southern woke liberals praising diversity but then doing their utmost to move away from it is much more risible
Do you honestly believe that "Northern Monkey" is a Southerner?
I would assume he is a Northerner but isn't a monkey.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
You're not stating facts, though. You are stating opinions, or at best unsupported conjectures.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
You say "bonkers" as if they're suffering from some sort of false consciousness. But maybe it isn't false consciousness at all and they genuinely support him and his policies and are entirely rational and logical to do so. The fact he went to Eton is irrelevant to any of that.
Yeah, cos Johnson gives a damn about them and what they want. And his policies would deliver them their wishes. Right.
They're like poor Americans voting for Trump.
Listen i dont like your dismissal of some of these people...they are human beings like we all are and frankly the hypocrisy of southern woke liberals praising diversity but then doing their utmost to move away from it is much more risible
Do you honestly believe that "Northern Monkey" is a Southerner?
I would assume he is a Northerner but isn't a monkey.
Isn't Hartlepool in the north?
My understanding of Hartlepool history implies you don’t want to be a monkey in Hartlepool.
Liberal Democrats GAIN from Labour. Changes w/ 2022.
Interesting one. Labour gained unexpectedly in May and the guy had just accepted a job offer so he stood down immediately. Labour punished for wasting everyones time but LD the beneficiaries given the unelectability of a mid nervous breakdown tory party. Tories put out 'hes gone please vote for us' leaflets on the day NHP is national housing party whos proclamations on twitter want to end immigration and lists some non white politicians and questions their britishness saying it is 'modern day identity theft'. They got ONE vote, presumably the candidate and party founder. Wanker.
From the statement of persons nominated, I don't believe the NHP candidate lives in Hampstead, so the hunt for his one voter goes on!
Some poor soul who belueves in housing for all maybe
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
I find it surprising to hear an anti-diversity tirade from someone who is clearly the offspring of a flatulent goat and a glazed ham.
im pointing out the hypocrisy of the woke middle classes mate
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
You say "bonkers" as if they're suffering from some sort of false consciousness. But maybe it isn't false consciousness at all and they genuinely support him and his policies and are entirely rational and logical to do so. The fact he went to Eton is irrelevant to any of that.
Yeah, cos Johnson gives a damn about them and what they want. And his policies would deliver them their wishes. Right.
They're like poor Americans voting for Trump.
Listen i dont like your dismissal of some of these people...they are human beings like we all are and frankly the hypocrisy of southern woke liberals praising diversity but then doing their utmost to move away from it is much more risible
Do you honestly believe that "Northern Monkey" is a Southerner?
I would assume he is a Northerner but isn't a monkey.
What if he is a monkey from the northern part of that monkey’s range. As most (all?) monkey’s ranges are further south than southern England, that would mean he can’t be a Northerner in the sense of someone from northern England.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
You say "bonkers" as if they're suffering from some sort of false consciousness. But maybe it isn't false consciousness at all and they genuinely support him and his policies and are entirely rational and logical to do so. The fact he went to Eton is irrelevant to any of that.
Yeah, cos Johnson gives a damn about them and what they want. And his policies would deliver them their wishes. Right.
They're like poor Americans voting for Trump.
Listen i dont like your dismissal of some of these people...they are human beings like we all are and frankly the hypocrisy of southern woke liberals praising diversity but then doing their utmost to move away from it is much more risible
Do you honestly believe that "Northern Monkey" is a Southerner?
I would assume he is a Northerner but isn't a monkey.
Haha you're right. Comes from Welsh friend of mine, many years ago, calling me a cheeky Northern monkey. It kind of stuck.
I used to get called 'DYC' at a place I worked at in Nottingham years ago - 'Daft Yorkshire C***' I like to think it was affectionate banter. Could be wrong!
Starmer will peak over the summer. The new Tory leader, whoever they are, will get a honeymoon. It will start to unwind, because the economic and political fundamentals are horrific. The Tory choice will dictate the speed of that unwind. Pick the wrong person and it will be fast. Best case six months. Either way Starmer will start to rise again.
Indeed, a honeymoon Tory lead of circa 6 to 8 points, but a Brown era missed election opportunity won't work as voters are already hurting and that gap will close fast.
It very much depends who they choose. If it's anyone you've heard of I can't see a lead. All the knowns are discredited by their association with Johnson. Labour's poll lead might even increase.
Indeed, it is hard to see any great enthusiasm from the voters for any of the mooted candidates, which is why the Tory party stuck with the clown for so long. That fact hasn't changed.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
You say "bonkers" as if they're suffering from some sort of false consciousness. But maybe it isn't false consciousness at all and they genuinely support him and his policies and are entirely rational and logical to do so. The fact he went to Eton is irrelevant to any of that.
Yeah, cos Johnson gives a damn about them and what they want. And his policies would deliver them their wishes. Right.
They're like poor Americans voting for Trump.
Listen i dont like your dismissal of some of these people...they are human beings like we all are and frankly the hypocrisy of southern woke liberals praising diversity but then doing their utmost to move away from it is much more risible
Do you honestly believe that "Northern Monkey" is a Southerner?
I would assume he is a Northerner but isn't a monkey.
What if he is a monkey from the northern part of that monkey’s range. As most (all?) monkey’s ranges are further south than southern England, that would mean he can’t be a Northerner in the sense of someone from northern England.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
You say "bonkers" as if they're suffering from some sort of false consciousness. But maybe it isn't false consciousness at all and they genuinely support him and his policies and are entirely rational and logical to do so. The fact he went to Eton is irrelevant to any of that.
Yeah, cos Johnson gives a damn about them and what they want. And his policies would deliver them their wishes. Right.
They're like poor Americans voting for Trump.
Listen i dont like your dismissal of some of these people...they are human beings like we all are and frankly the hypocrisy of southern woke liberals praising diversity but then doing their utmost to move away from it is much more risible
Do you honestly believe that "Northern Monkey" is a Southerner?
I would assume he is a Northerner but isn't a monkey.
Haha you're right. Comes from Welsh friend of mine, many years ago, calling me a cheeky Northern monkey. It kind of stuck.
I used to get called 'DYC' at a place I worked at in Nottingham years ago - 'Daft Yorkshire C***' I like to think it was affectionate banter. Could be wrong!
Prounounced as letters or as a word? That could give a clue Why are you censoring 'Cove' by the way?
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
You say "bonkers" as if they're suffering from some sort of false consciousness. But maybe it isn't false consciousness at all and they genuinely support him and his policies and are entirely rational and logical to do so. The fact he went to Eton is irrelevant to any of that.
Yeah, cos Johnson gives a damn about them and what they want. And his policies would deliver them their wishes. Right.
They're like poor Americans voting for Trump.
Listen i dont like your dismissal of some of these people...they are human beings like we all are and frankly the hypocrisy of southern woke liberals praising diversity but then doing their utmost to move away from it is much more risible
Do you honestly believe that "Northern Monkey" is a Southerner?
I would assume he is a Northerner but isn't a monkey.
Haha you're right. Comes from Welsh friend of mine, many years ago, calling me a cheeky Northern monkey. It kind of stuck.
I used to get called 'DYC' at a place I worked at in Nottingham years ago - 'Daft Yorkshire C***' I like to think it was affectionate banter. Could be wrong!
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
You say "bonkers" as if they're suffering from some sort of false consciousness. But maybe it isn't false consciousness at all and they genuinely support him and his policies and are entirely rational and logical to do so. The fact he went to Eton is irrelevant to any of that.
Yeah, cos Johnson gives a damn about them and what they want. And his policies would deliver them their wishes. Right.
They're like poor Americans voting for Trump.
Listen i dont like your dismissal of some of these people...they are human beings like we all are and frankly the hypocrisy of southern woke liberals praising diversity but then doing their utmost to move away from it is much more risible
Do you honestly believe that "Northern Monkey" is a Southerner?
I would assume he is a Northerner but isn't a monkey.
What if he is a monkey from the northern part of that monkey’s range. As most (all?) monkey’s ranges are further south than southern England, that would mean he can’t be a Northerner in the sense of someone from northern England.
Ook?! Macaques are native to England (admittedly extinct, except on the Government benches at PMQT). I presume interglacials. Here's a preprint with a map (fig 3).
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
I find it surprising to hear an anti-diversity tirade from someone who is clearly the offspring of a flatulent goat and a glazed ham.
im pointing out the hypocrisy of the woke middle classes mate
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
You say "bonkers" as if they're suffering from some sort of false consciousness. But maybe it isn't false consciousness at all and they genuinely support him and his policies and are entirely rational and logical to do so. The fact he went to Eton is irrelevant to any of that.
Yeah, cos Johnson gives a damn about them and what they want. And his policies would deliver them their wishes. Right.
They're like poor Americans voting for Trump.
Listen i dont like your dismissal of some of these people...they are human beings like we all are and frankly the hypocrisy of southern woke liberals praising diversity but then doing their utmost to move away from it is much more risible
Do you honestly believe that "Northern Monkey" is a Southerner?
I would assume he is a Northerner but isn't a monkey.
What if he is a monkey from the northern part of that monkey’s range. As most (all?) monkey’s ranges are further south than southern England, that would mean he can’t be a Northerner in the sense of someone from northern England.
You're forgetting Arctic Monkeys
The most northern monkeys.
And even then felt the need to exaggerate their northernness.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
You say "bonkers" as if they're suffering from some sort of false consciousness. But maybe it isn't false consciousness at all and they genuinely support him and his policies and are entirely rational and logical to do so. The fact he went to Eton is irrelevant to any of that.
Yeah, cos Johnson gives a damn about them and what they want. And his policies would deliver them their wishes. Right.
They're like poor Americans voting for Trump.
Listen i dont like your dismissal of some of these people...they are human beings like we all are and frankly the hypocrisy of southern woke liberals praising diversity but then doing their utmost to move away from it is much more risible
Do you honestly believe that "Northern Monkey" is a Southerner?
I would assume he is a Northerner but isn't a monkey.
Isn't Hartlepool in the north?
My understanding of Hartlepool history implies you don’t want to be a monkey in Hartlepool.
OTOH they also have a track record of being interested in politics and even being successful, ISTR. And point 1 certainly applies here ...
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
You're not stating facts, though. You are stating opinions, or at best unsupported conjectures.
i am stating observable facts on the ground...the woke middle class couple who move to brixton and praise the vibrancy and diversity bur dont work in the area...dont send their kids to schools in the area and dont have much contact with the diversity other than at the local restaurant...once kids are in the offing off they foxtrot to lily white guildford or sevenoaks...still praising the diversity though
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
You say "bonkers" as if they're suffering from some sort of false consciousness. But maybe it isn't false consciousness at all and they genuinely support him and his policies and are entirely rational and logical to do so. The fact he went to Eton is irrelevant to any of that.
Yeah, cos Johnson gives a damn about them and what they want. And his policies would deliver them their wishes. Right.
They're like poor Americans voting for Trump.
Listen i dont like your dismissal of some of these people...they are human beings like we all are and frankly the hypocrisy of southern woke liberals praising diversity but then doing their utmost to move away from it is much more risible
Do you honestly believe that "Northern Monkey" is a Southerner?
I would assume he is a Northerner but isn't a monkey.
Haha you're right. Comes from Welsh friend of mine, many years ago, calling me a cheeky Northern monkey. It kind of stuck.
I used to get called 'DYC' at a place I worked at in Nottingham years ago - 'Daft Yorkshire C***' I like to think it was affectionate banter. Could be wrong!
Prounounced as letters or as a word? That could give a clue Why are you censoring 'Cove' by the way?
Haha - letters! Though thinking about it they could've acronymed it, they called me a dick a lot too...
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
You say "bonkers" as if they're suffering from some sort of false consciousness. But maybe it isn't false consciousness at all and they genuinely support him and his policies and are entirely rational and logical to do so. The fact he went to Eton is irrelevant to any of that.
Yeah, cos Johnson gives a damn about them and what they want. And his policies would deliver them their wishes. Right.
They're like poor Americans voting for Trump.
Listen i dont like your dismissal of some of these people...they are human beings like we all are and frankly the hypocrisy of southern woke liberals praising diversity but then doing their utmost to move away from it is much more risible
Do you honestly believe that "Northern Monkey" is a Southerner?
I would assume he is a Northerner but isn't a monkey.
What if he is a monkey from the northern part of that monkey’s range. As most (all?) monkey’s ranges are further south than southern England, that would mean he can’t be a Northerner in the sense of someone from northern England.
You're forgetting Arctic Monkeys
The most northern monkeys.
Pah. Great band. South Yorkshire though. Bloody southerners!
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
You say "bonkers" as if they're suffering from some sort of false consciousness. But maybe it isn't false consciousness at all and they genuinely support him and his policies and are entirely rational and logical to do so. The fact he went to Eton is irrelevant to any of that.
Yeah, cos Johnson gives a damn about them and what they want. And his policies would deliver them their wishes. Right.
They're like poor Americans voting for Trump.
Listen i dont like your dismissal of some of these people...they are human beings like we all are and frankly the hypocrisy of southern woke liberals praising diversity but then doing their utmost to move away from it is much more risible
Do you honestly believe that "Northern Monkey" is a Southerner?
I would assume he is a Northerner but isn't a monkey.
Haha you're right. Comes from Welsh friend of mine, many years ago, calling me a cheeky Northern monkey. It kind of stuck.
I used to get called 'DYC' at a place I worked at in Nottingham years ago - 'Daft Yorkshire C***' I like to think it was affectionate banter. Could be wrong!
The Scabs don’t like us Yorkshire folk.
Even after nearly 40 years I still have the utmost respect for sons of Scargill like yourself. Whenever I see an E and J Meeks Transport truck, I spit on the ground too.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
You say "bonkers" as if they're suffering from some sort of false consciousness. But maybe it isn't false consciousness at all and they genuinely support him and his policies and are entirely rational and logical to do so. The fact he went to Eton is irrelevant to any of that.
Yeah, cos Johnson gives a damn about them and what they want. And his policies would deliver them their wishes. Right.
They're like poor Americans voting for Trump.
Listen i dont like your dismissal of some of these people...they are human beings like we all are and frankly the hypocrisy of southern woke liberals praising diversity but then doing their utmost to move away from it is much more risible
Do you honestly believe that "Northern Monkey" is a Southerner?
I would assume he is a Northerner but isn't a monkey.
What if he is a monkey from the northern part of that monkey’s range. As most (all?) monkey’s ranges are further south than southern England, that would mean he can’t be a Northerner in the sense of someone from northern England.
Ook?! Macaques are native to England (admittedly extinct, except on the Government benches at PMQT). I presume interglacials. Here's a preprint with a map (fig 3).
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
You're not stating facts, though. You are stating opinions, or at best unsupported conjectures.
i am stating observable facts on the ground...the woke middle class couple who move to brixton and praise the vibrancy and diversity bur dont work in the area...dont send their kids to schools in the area and dont have much contact with the diversity other than at the local restaurant...once kids are in the offing off they foxtrot to lily white guildford or sevenoaks...still praising the diversity though
you've never been to sevenoaks in your life hamster boy
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And
dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
The diversity on Pontefract high street, I'd vouch is not massive (I've done the 3pm weekday shop run plenty of times in various down at heel northern towns, some diverse, some not, and neighbouring Normanton amongst them. And Featherstone once!!). And worked summers in factories juxtaposed with posh uni.
The old Common People thing northern monkey invokes here is absolutely still true and real - very many people with everyday wherewithal but a narrow horizon of what they feel is relevant to them. The flip side, ignoramuses best avoided, as per Misshapes is also present. Like humanity anywhere, really, merely adapted to one particular circumstance.
You're right. Well done for surviving Fev! I worked there for a bit, at the Linpac factory, sticking in the absorbent pads you find at the bottom of polystyrene trays and plastic containers you get meat and chicken in. Stood at a table, four of us, one dabbing glue on the trays, three of us picking them up and sticking a pad in.
Happy days.
Just the stuff that taught me the single most important thing ever. As long as you can get by it doesn't matter much if you are ordinary, middling or rich or whatever, but a huge proportion of jobs are mind blowingly dull/awful/repetitive/useless so find something in life that isn't.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
You're not stating facts, though. You are stating opinions, or at best unsupported conjectures.
i am stating observable facts on the ground...the woke middle class couple who move to brixton and praise the vibrancy and diversity bur dont work in the area...dont send their kids to schools in the area and dont have much contact with the diversity other than at the local restaurant...once kids are in the offing off they foxtrot to lily white guildford or sevenoaks...still praising the diversity though
That's not an observable fact on the ground, though, it's just an absurd stereotype that lives in your head. Like I said, people often move out of London when they have kids in search of space. Those who can afford to generally stay. Personally I wouldn't want to live anywhere that was "lily white" and enjoy living in a diverse area, and I would say this is the dominant point of view among the local wokerati.
Bring back the flint knapper, that one was funnier.
Does he have a new character? Surely he wouldn't call himself "Kevin"?
I don't know, torn between new character and Russian troll. The naming (common first name + one letter) seems to follow a trend lately of the Russian troll variety, but banging on about woke instead of the 'special military operation' does not.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
I find it surprising to hear an anti-diversity tirade from someone who is clearly the offspring of a flatulent goat and a glazed ham.
im pointing out the hypocrisy of the woke middle classes mate
ding ding ding ding mate klaxon
For some unaccountable reason, I'm reminded of the time I watched a young cat stalking two crows on the neighbours' lawn opposite. Moggy thought it was invisible superstalker, but the corvids knew dam' well what was going on, keeping watch out of the corner of their beady eyes and hopping away just an inch out of reach every time. The evil bastards had great fun for about a quarter of an hour taking the piss out of moggy.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
yes and use their buying power to buy an expensive property in the right catchment area of the best state school in the area then boast about how little Johnny is being state educated
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
You're not stating facts, though. You are stating opinions, or at best unsupported conjectures.
i am stating observable facts on the ground...the woke middle class couple who move to brixton and praise the vibrancy and diversity bur dont work in the area...dont send their kids to schools in the area and dont have much contact with the diversity other than at the local restaurant...once kids are in the offing off they foxtrot to lily white guildford or sevenoaks...still praising the diversity though
you've never been to sevenoaks in your life hamster boy
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
You say "bonkers" as if they're suffering from some sort of false consciousness. But maybe it isn't false consciousness at all and they genuinely support him and his policies and are entirely rational and logical to do so. The fact he went to Eton is irrelevant to any of that.
Yeah, cos Johnson gives a damn about them and what they want. And his policies would deliver them their wishes. Right.
They're like poor Americans voting for Trump.
Listen i dont like your dismissal of some of these people...they are human beings like we all are and frankly the hypocrisy of southern woke liberals praising diversity but then doing their utmost to move away from it is much more risible
Do you honestly believe that "Northern Monkey" is a Southerner?
I would assume he is a Northerner but isn't a monkey.
Haha you're right. Comes from Welsh friend of mine, many years ago, calling me a cheeky Northern monkey. It kind of stuck.
I used to get called 'DYC' at a place I worked at in Nottingham years ago - 'Daft Yorkshire C***' I like to think it was affectionate banter. Could be wrong!
The Scabs don’t like us Yorkshire folk.
Even after nearly 40 years I still have the utmost respect for sons of Scargill like yourself. Whenever I see an E and J Meeks Transport truck, I spit on the ground too.
Oh I was on the side of the scabs.
Still cannot admit that publicly in South Yorkshire.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
You're not stating facts, though. You are stating opinions, or at best unsupported conjectures.
i am stating observable facts on the ground...the woke middle class couple who move to brixton and praise the vibrancy and diversity bur dont work in the area...dont send their kids to schools in the area and dont have much contact with the diversity other than at the local restaurant...once kids are in the offing off they foxtrot to lily white guildford or sevenoaks...still praising the diversity though
Weirdly, though, those London schools are performing better than those in the rest of the country: around half (51 per cent) of London children on free school meals achieve A* to C in English and maths GCSE, compared with a third of pupils on free school meals in all other English regions
Pretty much all the best performing local authorities for education are now in London. Tower Hamlets is fifth in the country.
The highest-placed area outside the capital is Rushcliffe in Nottinghamshire, ranked 15th-best
Doesn't this actual data - from the Government's Own "State of the Nation" report - rather give lie to your assertions?
Martin Lewis @MartinSLewis NEWS: I feel sick writing this! I've just got the latest price cap predictions from @CornwallInsight . A huge spike in the key year-ahead wholesale price means
OCT cap prediction UP 64% (so £3,244/yr on typical bills) JAN cap prediction UP 4% (so £3,363/yr)
thats about £270 a month on average...the govt will be in big trouble on this by september
Bring back the flint knapper, that one was funnier.
Does he have a new character? Surely he wouldn't call himself "Kevin"?
I don't know, torn between new character and Russian troll. The naming (common first name + one letter) seems to follow a trend lately of the Russian troll variety, but banging on about woke instead of the 'special military operation' does not.
Was his previous character hit by a ban hammer again? Or is "Leon" just in hiding?
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Nonononononono ... not genetically inherited. "..... superior (as developed by the nurturing environment provided by Mummy and Daddy) intelligence."
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
You're not stating facts, though. You are stating opinions, or at best unsupported conjectures.
i am stating observable facts on the ground...the woke middle class couple who move to brixton and praise the vibrancy and diversity bur dont work in the area...dont send their kids to schools in the area and dont have much contact with the diversity other than at the local restaurant...once kids are in the offing off they foxtrot to lily white guildford or sevenoaks...still praising the diversity though
While you like to depict the WWC as bigots, that isn't my experience, nor are they homophobic or transphobic for that matter.
You also don't seem to be aware of how diverse even places like Sevenoaks or Guildford are nowadays.
Certainly middle class people (a large electoral block that no party should despise) have that extra financial and social cushion around them that makes life more pleasant, but that is true whether they are white or not, and whether they live in cities or shire.
Of course life grates more on those without money to lubricate their daily tasks, but the answer to that isn't ethnic cleansing, it is a decent living wage.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
You say "bonkers" as if they're suffering from some sort of false consciousness. But maybe it isn't false consciousness at all and they genuinely support him and his policies and are entirely rational and logical to do so. The fact he went to Eton is irrelevant to any of that.
Yeah, cos Johnson gives a damn about them and what they want. And his policies would deliver them their wishes. Right.
They're like poor Americans voting for Trump.
Listen i dont like your dismissal of some of these people...they are human beings like we all are and frankly the hypocrisy of southern woke liberals praising diversity but then doing their utmost to move away from it is much more risible
Do you honestly believe that "Northern Monkey" is a Southerner?
I would assume he is a Northerner but isn't a monkey.
Haha you're right. Comes from Welsh friend of mine, many years ago, calling me a cheeky Northern monkey. It kind of stuck.
I used to get called 'DYC' at a place I worked at in Nottingham years ago - 'Daft Yorkshire C***' I like to think it was affectionate banter. Could be wrong!
The Scabs don’t like us Yorkshire folk.
Even after nearly 40 years I still have the utmost respect for sons of Scargill like yourself. Whenever I see an E and J Meeks Transport truck, I spit on the ground too.
Oh I was on the side of the scabs.
Still cannot admit that publicly in South Yorkshire.
I’d get my head kicked in.
Nah, you're just rewriting history like Morris does.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
You say "bonkers" as if they're suffering from some sort of false consciousness. But maybe it isn't false consciousness at all and they genuinely support him and his policies and are entirely rational and logical to do so. The fact he went to Eton is irrelevant to any of that.
Yeah, cos Johnson gives a damn about them and what they want. And his policies would deliver them their wishes. Right.
They're like poor Americans voting for Trump.
Listen i dont like your dismissal of some of these people...they are human beings like we all are and frankly the hypocrisy of southern woke liberals praising diversity but then doing their utmost to move away from it is much more risible
Do you honestly believe that "Northern Monkey" is a Southerner?
I would assume he is a Northerner but isn't a monkey.
Haha you're right. Comes from Welsh friend of mine, many years ago, calling me a cheeky Northern monkey. It kind of stuck.
I used to get called 'DYC' at a place I worked at in Nottingham years ago - 'Daft Yorkshire C***' I like to think it was affectionate banter. Could be wrong!
The Scabs don’t like us Yorkshire folk.
Even after nearly 40 years I still have the utmost respect for sons of Scargill like yourself. Whenever I see an E and J Meeks Transport truck, I spit on the ground too.
Oh I was on the side of the scabs.
Still cannot admit that publicly in South Yorkshire.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
You're not stating facts, though. You are stating opinions, or at best unsupported conjectures.
i am stating observable facts on the ground...the woke middle class couple who move to brixton and praise the vibrancy and diversity bur dont work in the area...dont send their kids to schools in the area and dont have much contact with the diversity other than at the local restaurant...once kids are in the offing off they foxtrot to lily white guildford or sevenoaks...still praising the diversity though
you've never been to sevenoaks in your life hamster boy
i actually used to work on a farm near there as a student picking fruit....hard physical labour which you probably know nothing about
Afternoon all, I’ve had a cracking walk in the sun around the East Neuk of Fife and had a superb fish supper. I come back to find that the Daily Mail is going to be super disappointed. What fun. Nice to see there’s occasionally some justice in the world.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Nonononononono ... not genetically inherited. "..... superior (as developed by the nurturing environment provided by Mummy and Daddy) intelligence."
Ah yes, thank you for the correction. I privately educated my kids, and while one could definitely draw/describe some amusing caricatures of parents, there were none that were "woke" to my recollection.
Afternoon all, I’ve had a cracking walk in the sun around the East Neuk of Fife and had a superb fish supper. I come back to find that the Daily Mail is going to be super disappointed. What fun. Nice to see there’s occasionally some justice in the world.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
You're not stating facts, though. You are stating opinions, or at best unsupported conjectures.
i am stating observable facts on the ground...the woke middle class couple who move to brixton and praise the vibrancy and diversity bur dont work in the area...dont send their kids to schools in the area and dont have much contact with the diversity other than at the local restaurant...once kids are in the offing off they foxtrot to lily white guildford or sevenoaks...still praising the diversity though
That's not an observable fact on the ground, though, it's just an absurd stereotype that lives in your head. Like I said, people often move out of London when they have kids in search of space. Those who can afford to generally stay. Personally I wouldn't want to live anywhere that was "lily white" and enjoy living in a diverse area, and I would say this is the dominant point of view among the local wokerati.
and those who stay make sure their kids are educated privately so their kids dont experience the diversity....voters in the red wall are aware of this hypocrisy and it angers them...
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Autocorrect, I'm sure. Skye is the word NF wanted.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
You say "bonkers" as if they're suffering from some sort of false consciousness. But maybe it isn't false consciousness at all and they genuinely support him and his policies and are entirely rational and logical to do so. The fact he went to Eton is irrelevant to any of that.
Yeah, cos Johnson gives a damn about them and what they want. And his policies would deliver them their wishes. Right.
They're like poor Americans voting for Trump.
Listen i dont like your dismissal of some of these people...they are human beings like we all are and frankly the hypocrisy of southern woke liberals praising diversity but then doing their utmost to move away from it is much more risible
Do you honestly believe that "Northern Monkey" is a Southerner?
I would assume he is a Northerner but isn't a monkey.
Haha you're right. Comes from Welsh friend of mine, many years ago, calling me a cheeky Northern monkey. It kind of stuck.
I used to get called 'DYC' at a place I worked at in Nottingham years ago - 'Daft Yorkshire C***' I like to think it was affectionate banter. Could be wrong!
The Scabs don’t like us Yorkshire folk.
Even after nearly 40 years I still have the utmost respect for sons of Scargill like yourself. Whenever I see an E and J Meeks Transport truck, I spit on the ground too.
Oh I was on the side of the scabs.
Still cannot admit that publicly in South Yorkshire.
I’d get my head kicked in.
Oh God, there is a blast from the past. Arthur Scargill. If ever I think of voting Labour, please send me a picture of him, it will certainly hit the reset button.
Martin Lewis @MartinSLewis NEWS: I feel sick writing this! I've just got the latest price cap predictions from @CornwallInsight . A huge spike in the key year-ahead wholesale price means
OCT cap prediction UP 64% (so £3,244/yr on typical bills) JAN cap prediction UP 4% (so £3,363/yr)
thats about £270 a month on average...the govt will be in big trouble on this by september
Is it the Governments fault then?
Thankfully Labour have a comprehensive plan to tackle the exponential increase in wholesale energy prices.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
You say "bonkers" as if they're suffering from some sort of false consciousness. But maybe it isn't false consciousness at all and they genuinely support him and his policies and are entirely rational and logical to do so. The fact he went to Eton is irrelevant to any of that.
Yes. There is an issue here. Why is it merely nostalgia to say of particular, not especially impossible things that were possible within living memory that it might be nice to have them back?
Why not want an NHS that works, police forces that obviously do their job, well maintained and staffed public spaces, the same affluence applied to the public square as the private one? What exactly is wrong with these excellent ideas. I would call it progress not nostalgia.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
You're not stating facts, though. You are stating opinions, or at best unsupported conjectures.
i am stating observable facts on the ground...the woke middle class couple who move to brixton and praise the vibrancy and diversity bur dont work in the area...dont send their kids to schools in the area and dont have much contact with the diversity other than at the local restaurant...once kids are in the offing off they foxtrot to lily white guildford or sevenoaks...still praising the diversity though
you've never been to sevenoaks in your life hamster boy
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
You're not stating facts, though. You are stating opinions, or at best unsupported conjectures.
i am stating observable facts on the ground...the woke middle class couple who move to brixton and praise the vibrancy and diversity bur dont work in the area...dont send their kids to schools in the area and dont have much contact with the diversity other than at the local restaurant...once kids are in the offing off they foxtrot to lily white guildford or sevenoaks...still praising the diversity though
Weirdly, though, those London schools are performing better than those in the rest of the country: around half (51 per cent) of London children on free school meals achieve A* to C in English and maths GCSE, compared with a third of pupils on free school meals in all other English regions
Pretty much all the best performing local authorities for education are now in London. Tower Hamlets is fifth in the country.
The highest-placed area outside the capital is Rushcliffe in Nottinghamshire, ranked 15th-best
Doesn't this actual data - from the Government's Own "State of the Nation" report - rather give lie to your assertions?
There was a very successful project to improve schools standards in Greater London a few years back. Blairism at its best. Almost ideology free. The after effects are still being felt.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
You say "bonkers" as if they're suffering from some sort of false consciousness. But maybe it isn't false consciousness at all and they genuinely support him and his policies and are entirely rational and logical to do so. The fact he went to Eton is irrelevant to any of that.
Yeah, cos Johnson gives a damn about them and what they want. And his policies would deliver them their wishes. Right.
They're like poor Americans voting for Trump.
Listen i dont like your dismissal of some of these people...they are human beings like we all are and frankly the hypocrisy of southern woke liberals praising diversity but then doing their utmost to move away from it is much more risible
Do you honestly believe that "Northern Monkey" is a Southerner?
I would assume he is a Northerner but isn't a monkey.
Haha you're right. Comes from Welsh friend of mine, many years ago, calling me a cheeky Northern monkey. It kind of stuck.
I used to get called 'DYC' at a place I worked at in Nottingham years ago - 'Daft Yorkshire C***' I like to think it was affectionate banter. Could be wrong!
The Scabs don’t like us Yorkshire folk.
Even after nearly 40 years I still have the utmost respect for sons of Scargill like yourself. Whenever I see an E and J Meeks Transport truck, I spit on the ground too.
Oh I was on the side of the scabs.
Still cannot admit that publicly in South Yorkshire.
I’d get my head kicked in.
Oh God, there is a blast from the past. Arthur Scargill. If ever I think of voting Labour, please send me a picture of him, it will certainly hit the reset button.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
You say "bonkers" as if they're suffering from some sort of false consciousness. But maybe it isn't false consciousness at all and they genuinely support him and his policies and are entirely rational and logical to do so. The fact he went to Eton is irrelevant to any of that.
Yeah, cos Johnson gives a damn about them and what they want. And his policies would deliver them their wishes. Right.
They're like poor Americans voting for Trump.
Listen i dont like your dismissal of some of these people...they are human beings like we all are and frankly the hypocrisy of southern woke liberals praising diversity but then doing their utmost to move away from it is much more risible
Do you honestly believe that "Northern Monkey" is a Southerner?
I would assume he is a Northerner but isn't a monkey.
Haha you're right. Comes from Welsh friend of mine, many years ago, calling me a cheeky Northern monkey. It kind of stuck.
I used to get called 'DYC' at a place I worked at in Nottingham years ago - 'Daft Yorkshire C***' I like to think it was affectionate banter. Could be wrong!
The Scabs don’t like us Yorkshire folk.
Even after nearly 40 years I still have the utmost respect for sons of Scargill like yourself. Whenever I see an E and J Meeks Transport truck, I spit on the ground too.
Oh I was on the side of the scabs.
Still cannot admit that publicly in South Yorkshire.
I’d get my head kicked in.
Oh God, there is a blast from the past. Arthur Scargill. If ever I think of voting Labour, please send me a picture of him, it will certainly hit the reset button.
One of us (I'm ashamed to say I forget whom) had a rather good description of the Met's attitude to living off the land, pardon me conscientiously searching suspect vehicles which might be hiding miner pickets behind the crates of samples in his brewery rep's car boot.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
You're not stating facts, though. You are stating opinions, or at best unsupported conjectures.
i am stating observable facts on the ground...the woke middle class couple who move to brixton and praise the vibrancy and diversity bur dont work in the area...dont send their kids to schools in the area and dont have much contact with the diversity other than at the local restaurant...once kids are in the offing off they foxtrot to lily white guildford or sevenoaks...still praising the diversity though
That's not an observable fact on the ground, though, it's just an absurd stereotype that lives in your head. Like I said, people often move out of London when they have kids in search of space. Those who can afford to generally stay. Personally I wouldn't want to live anywhere that was "lily white" and enjoy living in a diverse area, and I would say this is the dominant point of view among the local wokerati.
and those who stay make sure their kids are educated privately so their kids dont experience the diversity....voters in the red wall are aware of this hypocrisy and it angers them...
That's not true, though. Your thoughts are such an odd collection of unsubstantiated prejudices. My kids all attend local state schools, as do the kids of most of my fellow Wokerati in the neighbourhood. Private schooling is much more prevalent among Home Counties Tories than inner city Champagne Socialist types like me.
Martin Lewis @MartinSLewis NEWS: I feel sick writing this! I've just got the latest price cap predictions from @CornwallInsight . A huge spike in the key year-ahead wholesale price means
OCT cap prediction UP 64% (so £3,244/yr on typical bills) JAN cap prediction UP 4% (so £3,363/yr)
thats about £270 a month on average...the govt will be in big trouble on this by september
Is it the Governments fault then?
Doesn't matter, really.
Governments get rewarded for things going well on their watch, even if they have little to do with them.
Similarly, they get punished if things go badly through no fault of their own. Trying to pass the buck just makes things worse. Remember the financial crisis that started in America?
Fabricant = fabricator of cant. Other descriptions are available.
...It has not been a good week for the Daily Mail. First, Boris Johnson announced he was resigning, despite the paper aggressively denouncing those who were trying to force him out. And then at lunchtime today Durham police declared that Keir Starmer had “no case to answer”, despite the Mail running numerous stories earlier this year presenting this as a scandal to rival Partygate.
But they don’t give up easily at the Mail (unlike the PM). The Mail website is leading with a version of the story headed: ‘Another Establisment Stitch-up’: Tory fury as Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner are CLEARED of breaking lockdown rules during ‘Beergate’ gathering.
The headline rests on this quote from Michael Fabricant, the Johnson loyalist Tory MP. He said:
I am surprised how Durham police decided not to fine Starmer and Rayner. Many people will think that, as a QC and a lawyer, Starmer wormed his way out of a conviction while, in effect, blackmailing Durham police by saying: “You’ll be bringing down the leader of the opposition if you fine me”. Many regular people will feel this is another Establishment stitch-up.’ (Guardian)
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
You say "bonkers" as if they're suffering from some sort of false consciousness. But maybe it isn't false consciousness at all and they genuinely support him and his policies and are entirely rational and logical to do so. The fact he went to Eton is irrelevant to any of that.
Yes. There is an issue here. Why is it merely nostalgia to say of particular, not especially impossible things that were possible within living memory that it might be nice to have them back?
Why not want an NHS that works, police forces that obviously do their job, well maintained and staffed public spaces, the same affluence applied to the public square as the private one? What exactly is wrong with these excellent ideas. I would call it progress not nostalgia.
Not something that Johnson ever came close to providing was it? Far more interested in photo stunts in hiviz jackets or labcoat, like some hapless contestant on the Generation Game.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
In a posh seaside hotel recently - where I was having a sandwich not staying, obvously - I heard a mother refer to her young daughter as Elspeth. I almost choked.
Martin Lewis @MartinSLewis NEWS: I feel sick writing this! I've just got the latest price cap predictions from @CornwallInsight . A huge spike in the key year-ahead wholesale price means
OCT cap prediction UP 64% (so £3,244/yr on typical bills) JAN cap prediction UP 4% (so £3,363/yr)
thats about £270 a month on average...the govt will be in big trouble on this by september
Is it the Governments fault then?
Doesn't matter, really.
Governments get rewarded for things going well on their watch, even if they have little to do with them.
Similarly, they get punished if things go badly through no fault of their own. Trying to pass the buck just makes things worse. Remember the financial crisis that started in America?
Thems the breaks.
Quite right. If people feel ok they also won't care if some official body says there's a recession, and if they do not feel ok they won't be persuaded by some goverment even if the details show they are doing a good job.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
Yeah we avoided all names out of the bible as we aren't Christians. We chose South Asian names for our girls and a traditional English name for our son - which was very unfashionable when we chose it but is now one of the most popular boys' names in the country, so we seem to have been ahead of a trend. Generally speaking old fashioned traditional names are in with the Wokerati these days I think, but nothing too posh.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
In a posh seaside hotel recently - where I was having a sandwich not staying, obvously - I heard a mother refer to her young daughter as Elspeth. I almost choked.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
You're not stating facts, though. You are stating opinions, or at best unsupported conjectures.
i am stating observable facts on the ground...the woke middle class couple who move to brixton and praise the vibrancy and diversity bur dont work in the area...dont send their kids to schools in the area and dont have much contact with the diversity other than at the local restaurant...once kids are in the offing off they foxtrot to lily white guildford or sevenoaks...still praising the diversity though
you've never been to sevenoaks in your life hamster boy
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
In a posh seaside hotel recently - where I was having a sandwich not staying, obvously - I heard a mother refer to her young daughter as Elspeth. I almost choked.
No idea if they were woke, or just posh, though.
It's actually trad Scots. Perfectly normal. Maybe not down there?
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
You're not stating facts, though. You are stating opinions, or at best unsupported conjectures.
i am stating observable facts on the ground...the woke middle class couple who move to brixton and praise the vibrancy and diversity bur dont work in the area...dont send their kids to schools in the area and dont have much contact with the diversity other than at the local restaurant...once kids are in the offing off they foxtrot to lily white guildford or sevenoaks...still praising the diversity though
Weirdly, though, those London schools are performing better than those in the rest of the country: around half (51 per cent) of London children on free school meals achieve A* to C in English and maths GCSE, compared with a third of pupils on free school meals in all other English regions
Pretty much all the best performing local authorities for education are now in London. Tower Hamlets is fifth in the country.
The highest-placed area outside the capital is Rushcliffe in Nottinghamshire, ranked 15th-best
Doesn't this actual data - from the Government's Own "State of the Nation" report - rather give lie to your assertions?
There was a very successful project to improve schools standards in Greater London a few years back. Blairism at its best. Almost ideology free. The after effects are still being felt.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
You say "bonkers" as if they're suffering from some sort of false consciousness. But maybe it isn't false consciousness at all and they genuinely support him and his policies and are entirely rational and logical to do so. The fact he went to Eton is irrelevant to any of that.
Yes. There is an issue here. Why is it merely nostalgia to say of particular, not especially impossible things that were possible within living memory that it might be nice to have them back?
Why not want an NHS that works, police forces that obviously do their job, well maintained and staffed public spaces, the same affluence applied to the public square as the private one? What exactly is wrong with these excellent ideas. I would call it progress not nostalgia.
Not something that Johnson ever came close to providing was it? Far more interested in photo stunts in hiviz jackets or labcoat, like some hapless contestant on the Generation Game.
Quite correct, of course, but as regards my point that's whataboutery.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
In a posh seaside hotel recently - where I was having a sandwich not staying, obvously - I heard a mother refer to her young daughter as Elspeth. I almost choked.
No idea if they were woke, or just posh, though.
Isn't it just the Scottish version of Elizabeth? My parents have a very non posh Weegie friend called Elspeth.
Looks like Sunak is running on the 'only serious adult who wont tell you fairy stories' ticket.
This is quite good, isn't it? It has no policies whatsoever, but it embraces the "plucky immigrant family" theme in a way that I think even hard-hearted Red Wallers will find difficult to despise. The mood music really works well.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
You're not stating facts, though. You are stating opinions, or at best unsupported conjectures.
i am stating observable facts on the ground...the woke middle class couple who move to brixton and praise the vibrancy and diversity bur dont work in the area...dont send their kids to schools in the area and dont have much contact with the diversity other than at the local restaurant...once kids are in the offing off they foxtrot to lily white guildford or sevenoaks...still praising the diversity though
you've never been to sevenoaks in your life hamster boy
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
In a posh seaside hotel recently - where I was having a sandwich not staying, obvously - I heard a mother refer to her young daughter as Elspeth. I almost choked.
No idea if they were woke, or just posh, though.
A acquaintance has a daughter called Elspeth. Mother definitely not woke. Scottish - I'd understood/assumed it was a Scottish name. Have heard it before.
Henry Zeffman @hzeffman · 8m Sunak straight out of the blocks with a series of endorsers — notably Mark Harper, a thorn in Boris Johnson’s side over Covid and much else
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
You're not stating facts, though. You are stating opinions, or at best unsupported conjectures.
i am stating observable facts on the ground...the woke middle class couple who move to brixton and praise the vibrancy and diversity bur dont work in the area...dont send their kids to schools in the area and dont have much contact with the diversity other than at the local restaurant...once kids are in the offing off they foxtrot to lily white guildford or sevenoaks...still praising the diversity though
Weirdly, though, those London schools are performing better than those in the rest of the country: around half (51 per cent) of London children on free school meals achieve A* to C in English and maths GCSE, compared with a third of pupils on free school meals in all other English regions
Pretty much all the best performing local authorities for education are now in London. Tower Hamlets is fifth in the country.
The highest-placed area outside the capital is Rushcliffe in Nottinghamshire, ranked 15th-best
Doesn't this actual data - from the Government's Own "State of the Nation" report - rather give lie to your assertions?
There was a very successful project to improve schools standards in Greater London a few years back. Blairism at its best. Almost ideology free. The after effects are still being felt.
yes well the indians in west london are keen on education as are the chinese....west indians not so much so it will be a mixed bag
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You can see the big Maggie-to-Major swing in the individual points; Conservatives gaining 10 points or so, which would be happy days for the Blue team.
But it washed out pretty quickly; the Conservative share had been driving up since spring 1990, and started to turn down again early in 1991.
The undertones are always more important than the daily noise.
I used to get called 'DYC' at a place I worked at in Nottingham years ago - 'Daft Yorkshire C***' I like to think it was affectionate banter. Could be wrong!
https://nottingham-repository.worktribe.com/OutputFile/732530
But not very northern at all.
Bring back the flint knapper, that one was funnier.
For some unaccountable reason, I'm reminded of the time I watched a young cat stalking two crows on the neighbours' lawn opposite. Moggy thought it was invisible superstalker, but the corvids knew dam' well what was going on, keeping watch out of the corner of their beady eyes and hopping away just an inch out of reach every time. The evil bastards had great fun for about a quarter of an hour taking the piss out of moggy.
Still cannot admit that publicly in South Yorkshire.
I’d get my head kicked in.
Pretty much all the best performing local authorities for education are now in London. Tower Hamlets is fifth in the country.
The highest-placed area outside the capital is Rushcliffe in Nottinghamshire, ranked 15th-best
Doesn't this actual data - from the Government's Own "State of the Nation" report - rather give lie to your assertions?
You also don't seem to be aware of how diverse even places like Sevenoaks or Guildford are nowadays.
Certainly middle class people (a large electoral block that no party should despise) have that extra financial and social cushion around them that makes life more pleasant, but that is true whether they are white or not, and whether they live in cities or shire.
Of course life grates more on those without money to lubricate their daily tasks, but the answer to that isn't ethnic cleansing, it is a decent living wage.
Why not want an NHS that works, police forces that obviously do their job, well maintained and staffed public spaces, the same affluence applied to the public square as the private one? What exactly is wrong with these excellent ideas. I would call it progress not nostalgia.
Governments get rewarded for things going well on their watch, even if they have little to do with them.
Similarly, they get punished if things go badly through no fault of their own. Trying to pass the buck just makes things worse. Remember the financial crisis that started in America?
Thems the breaks.
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...It has not been a good week for the Daily Mail. First, Boris Johnson announced he was resigning, despite the paper aggressively denouncing those who were trying to force him out. And then at lunchtime today Durham police declared that Keir Starmer had “no case to answer”, despite the Mail running numerous stories earlier this year presenting this as a scandal to rival Partygate.
But they don’t give up easily at the Mail (unlike the PM). The Mail website is leading with a version of the story headed: ‘Another Establisment Stitch-up’: Tory fury as Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner are CLEARED of breaking lockdown rules during ‘Beergate’ gathering.
The headline rests on this quote from Michael Fabricant, the Johnson loyalist Tory MP. He said:
I am surprised how Durham police decided not to fine Starmer and Rayner.
Many people will think that, as a QC and a lawyer, Starmer wormed his way out of a conviction while, in effect, blackmailing Durham police by saying: “You’ll be bringing down the leader of the opposition if you fine me”.
Many regular people will feel this is another Establishment stitch-up.’
(Guardian)
Looks like Sunack is running on the 'only serious adult who wont tell you fairy stories' ticket.
No idea if they were woke, or just posh, though.
Generally speaking old fashioned traditional names are in with the Wokerati these days I think, but nothing too posh.
All I would say is at least three of four non-white candidates are the biggest bullshiners on the ballot paper (Liz Truss and Steve Baker excepted).
Edit. I forgot Cruella.
I do laugh a bit at his launch video. "Let me tell you a story" it begins.
Thanks for that, but I'd rather you just get on and tell me you're standing.
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Sunak straight out of the blocks with a series of endorsers — notably Mark Harper, a thorn in Boris Johnson’s side over Covid and much else