Day in the White Peak today. A pleasant and not too arduous 20 mile there-and-back bike ride along the Monsal Trail - the Peak District's top tourist attraction, I believe, and rightly so; it is almost heartbreakingly lovely - followed by lunch at a newly refurbished but very old pub in Little Hucklow, the Blind Bull. Got chatting to an American mother and daughter, and fun to see the Peak District through their eyes: the higgledy-piggledy fields, the drystone walls, the centuries-old lanes and hedgerows, the stone, the pubs... They were on an 8 day tour of England centred around a wedding in Derbyshire, but their itinerary sounded pretty good: The Minack Theatre, Kynance Cove, Clovelly, Avebury, Treak Cliff Cavern, Chatsworth House, London. I was reflecting on the itineraries-for-Americans we were discussing a few days back and thought theirs sounded pretty good. In common with other Americans I've met recently, they were cheerfully lamenting that their country is falling apart and may be irretrievably divided.
Anyway, the Blind Bull in Little Hucklow. Well worth a visit.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
Yeah we avoided all names out of the bible as we aren't Christians. We chose South Asian names for our girls and a traditional English name for our son - which was very unfashionable when we chose it but is now one of the most popular boys' names in the country, so we seem to have been ahead of a trend. Generally speaking old fashioned traditional names are in with the Wokerati these days I think, but nothing too posh.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
In a posh seaside hotel recently - where I was having a sandwich not staying, obvously - I heard a mother refer to her young daughter as Elspeth. I almost choked.
No idea if they were woke, or just posh, though.
It's actually trad Scots. Perfectly normal. Maybe not down there?
Ah, news to me. Thanks. Perhaps I had been teed up by a very posh Oscar and Jasper heard in the previous few minutes…
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
You're not stating facts, though. You are stating opinions, or at best unsupported conjectures.
i am stating observable facts on the ground...the woke middle class couple who move to brixton and praise the vibrancy and diversity bur dont work in the area...dont send their kids to schools in the area and dont have much contact with the diversity other than at the local restaurant...once kids are in the offing off they foxtrot to lily white guildford or sevenoaks...still praising the diversity though
Weirdly, though, those London schools are performing better than those in the rest of the country: around half (51 per cent) of London children on free school meals achieve A* to C in English and maths GCSE, compared with a third of pupils on free school meals in all other English regions
Pretty much all the best performing local authorities for education are now in London. Tower Hamlets is fifth in the country.
The highest-placed area outside the capital is Rushcliffe in Nottinghamshire, ranked 15th-best
Doesn't this actual data - from the Government's Own "State of the Nation" report - rather give lie to your assertions?
There was a very successful project to improve schools standards in Greater London a few years back. Blairism at its best. Almost ideology free. The after effects are still being felt.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
In a posh seaside hotel recently - where I was having a sandwich not staying, obvously - I heard a mother refer to her young daughter as Elspeth. I almost choked.
No idea if they were woke, or just posh, though.
Isn't that just Elizabeth? Could have easily been Bet. Or Buffy.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
Yeah we avoided all names out of the bible as we aren't Christians. We chose South Asian names for our girls and a traditional English name for our son - which was very unfashionable when we chose it but is now one of the most popular boys' names in the country, so we seem to have been ahead of a trend. Generally speaking old fashioned traditional names are in with the Wokerati these days I think, but nothing too posh.
Yes, that is correct. Posh people quite favour Victorian names now, while working class people often are more original, particularly with deliberate mis-spellings of names, or use of surnames as forenames. Lots of double-barrelling too.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
In a posh seaside hotel recently - where I was having a sandwich not staying, obvously - I heard a mother refer to her young daughter as Elspeth. I almost choked.
No idea if they were woke, or just posh, though.
It's actually trad Scots. Perfectly normal. Maybe not down there?
Normal to me, though not common in wwc Cumbria. There is nothing pretentious about it.
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
In a posh seaside hotel recently - where I was having a sandwich not staying, obvously - I heard a mother refer to her young daughter as Elspeth. I almost choked.
No idea if they were woke, or just posh, though.
A acquaintance has a daughter called Elspeth. Mother definitely not woke. Scottish - I'd understood/assumed it was a Scottish name. Have heard it before.
Just for clarity: Elspeth and Elizabeth are variants of the same basic original name.
Any graphic designers want to weigh in on Sunak's (sorry, Rishi's) campaign logo Not sure that is official conservative blue, but the "I" also serving as an exclamation point is a nice touch.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
Yeah we avoided all names out of the bible as we aren't Christians. We chose South Asian names for our girls and a traditional English name for our son - which was very unfashionable when we chose it but is now one of the most popular boys' names in the country, so we seem to have been ahead of a trend. Generally speaking old fashioned traditional names are in with the Wokerati these days I think, but nothing too posh.
Looks like Sunak is running on the 'only serious adult who wont tell you fairy stories' ticket.
This is quite good, isn't it? It has no policies whatsoever, but it embraces the "plucky immigrant family" theme in a way that I think even hard-hearted Red Wallers will find difficult to despise. The mood music really works well.
sadly there will be many who will never vote for a black or asian pm whatever his backstory
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
In a posh seaside hotel recently - where I was having a sandwich not staying, obvously - I heard a mother refer to her young daughter as Elspeth. I almost choked.
No idea if they were woke, or just posh, though.
Isn't it just the Scottish version of Elizabeth? My parents have a very non posh Weegie friend called Elspeth.
McTout blows on his bagpipes, whilst Elspeth & Angus watch those notes go floating across the waves...
Any graphic designers want to weigh in on Sunak's (sorry, Rishi's) campaign logo Not sure that is official conservative blue, but the "I" also serving as an exclamation point is a nice touch.
I’m Rishi Sunak I’m on the attack I might be tiny, honey But I’m all about the sound money
I wear short slacks And my wife pays her tax So follow on insta And make me Prime Minsta
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
Yeah we avoided all names out of the bible as we aren't Christians. We chose South Asian names for our girls and a traditional English name for our son - which was very unfashionable when we chose it but is now one of the most popular boys' names in the country, so we seem to have been ahead of a trend. Generally speaking old fashioned traditional names are in with the Wokerati these days I think, but nothing too posh.
Yes, that is correct. Posh people quite favour Victorian names now, while working class people often are more original, particularly with deliberate mis-spellings of names, or use of surnames as forenames. Lots of double-barrelling too.
In France there's a correlation between the vote share for Le Pen, and the prevalence of Anglo-Saxon first names regarded as low status.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
In a posh seaside hotel recently - where I was having a sandwich not staying, obvously - I heard a mother refer to her young daughter as Elspeth. I almost choked.
No idea if they were woke, or just posh, though.
It's actually trad Scots. Perfectly normal. Maybe not down there?
Ah, news to me. Thanks. Perhaps I had been teed up by a very posh Oscar and Jasper heard in the previous few minutes…
Was that the art deco hotel in Morecambe or something?
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
Yeah we avoided all names out of the bible as we aren't Christians. We chose South Asian names for our girls and a traditional English name for our son - which was very unfashionable when we chose it but is now one of the most popular boys' names in the country, so we seem to have been ahead of a trend. Generally speaking old fashioned traditional names are in with the Wokerati these days I think, but nothing too posh.
I assume Nigel is not one of the more popular?
Nigel has gone virtually extinct for now. Common in my 1950s generation.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
Yeah we avoided all names out of the bible as we aren't Christians. We chose South Asian names for our girls and a traditional English name for our son - which was very unfashionable when we chose it but is now one of the most popular boys' names in the country, so we seem to have been ahead of a trend. Generally speaking old fashioned traditional names are in with the Wokerati these days I think, but nothing too posh.
I assume Nigel is not one of the more popular?
Nigel is a name heading for extinction.
What a relief. I imagine Boris and Donald may go the same way
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
They really cannot find their way out of the Wokefinder Generals clutches can they?
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
You're not stating facts, though. You are stating opinions, or at best unsupported conjectures.
i am stating observable facts on the ground...the woke middle class couple who move to brixton and praise the vibrancy and diversity bur dont work in the area...dont send their kids to schools in the area and dont have much contact with the diversity other than at the local restaurant...once kids are in the offing off they foxtrot to lily white guildford or sevenoaks...still praising the diversity though
Weirdly, though, those London schools are performing better than those in the rest of the country: around half (51 per cent) of London children on free school meals achieve A* to C in English and maths GCSE, compared with a third of pupils on free school meals in all other English regions
Pretty much all the best performing local authorities for education are now in London. Tower Hamlets is fifth in the country.
The highest-placed area outside the capital is Rushcliffe in Nottinghamshire, ranked 15th-best
Doesn't this actual data - from the Government's Own "State of the Nation" report - rather give lie to your assertions?
There was a very successful project to improve schools standards in Greater London a few years back. Blairism at its best. Almost ideology free. The after effects are still being felt.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
In a posh seaside hotel recently - where I was having a sandwich not staying, obvously - I heard a mother refer to her young daughter as Elspeth. I almost choked.
No idea if they were woke, or just posh, though.
Isn't that just Elizabeth? Could have easily been Bet. Or Buffy.
Yes, that's right. Or maybe Greater London challenge. I don't know how much budget it had, but it seems to have been very effective.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
In a posh seaside hotel recently - where I was having a sandwich not staying, obvously - I heard a mother refer to her young daughter as Elspeth. I almost choked.
No idea if they were woke, or just posh, though.
It's actually trad Scots. Perfectly normal. Maybe not down there?
I know multiple Elspeths. The diminutive “Eppie” or “Ellie” is often used.
I genuinely done understand this fabrication of imaginary woke people the right of this forum come up with. It’s utterly divorced from any reality. Just a bunch of mad windmill tilting.
Any graphic designers want to weigh in on Sunak's (sorry, Rishi's) campaign logo Not sure that is official conservative blue, but the "I" also serving as an exclamation point is a nice touch.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
Yeah we avoided all names out of the bible as we aren't Christians. We chose South Asian names for our girls and a traditional English name for our son - which was very unfashionable when we chose it but is now one of the most popular boys' names in the country, so we seem to have been ahead of a trend. Generally speaking old fashioned traditional names are in with the Wokerati these days I think, but nothing too posh.
Yes, that is correct. Posh people quite favour Victorian names now, while working class people often are more original, particularly with deliberate mis-spellings of names, or use of surnames as forenames. Lots of double-barrelling too.
In France there's a correlation between the vote share for Le Pen, and the prevalence of Anglo-Saxon first names regarded as low status.
I thought that first names in France had to be from an approved list, and that Registrars could refuse weird names.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
You're not stating facts, though. You are stating opinions, or at best unsupported conjectures.
i am stating observable facts on the ground...the woke middle class couple who move to brixton and praise the vibrancy and diversity bur dont work in the area...dont send their kids to schools in the area and dont have much contact with the diversity other than at the local restaurant...once kids are in the offing off they foxtrot to lily white guildford or sevenoaks...still praising the diversity though
you've never been to sevenoaks in your life hamster boy
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
Yeah we avoided all names out of the bible as we aren't Christians. We chose South Asian names for our girls and a traditional English name for our son - which was very unfashionable when we chose it but is now one of the most popular boys' names in the country, so we seem to have been ahead of a trend. Generally speaking old fashioned traditional names are in with the Wokerati these days I think, but nothing too posh.
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
God, they’re going to get worse before they get better, aren’t they?
Yet again appealing to a shrinking and ageing segment of the electorate.
Next stop a grilling by the triple-lock conservation society followed by a multi choice test on imperial weights and measures.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
In a posh seaside hotel recently - where I was having a sandwich not staying, obvously - I heard a mother refer to her young daughter as Elspeth. I almost choked.
No idea if they were woke, or just posh, though.
A acquaintance has a daughter called Elspeth. Mother definitely not woke. Scottish - I'd understood/assumed it was a Scottish name. Have heard it before.
Just for clarity: Elspeth and Elizabeth are variants of the same basic original name.
I should think Alexander is the name with the most variants worldwide - it gets everywhere. And Elizabeth the most variants for girl's names. (I have to declare an interest, with Elisabeths and Isabels in the tribe)
Rishi is too slick by half - he’s even created his own logo - and it insults the intelligence to suggest he is now for “seriousness, unity, and honesty” when he’s been sitting next to Boris all this time.
Plus, his record is littered with quite odd little misjudgements.
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
They really cannot find their way out of the Wokefinder Generals clutches can they?
It isn't going to win them an election.
actually foxy a hard line on immigration plus for example a repeal of gay marriage may win them the election as it would get big red wall support...
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
Christopher Chope AND common sense have never before appeared in the same sentence. Quite possibly the most appalling member.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
Yeah we avoided all names out of the bible as we aren't Christians. We chose South Asian names for our girls and a traditional English name for our son - which was very unfashionable when we chose it but is now one of the most popular boys' names in the country, so we seem to have been ahead of a trend. Generally speaking old fashioned traditional names are in with the Wokerati these days I think, but nothing too posh.
Yes, that is correct. Posh people quite favour Victorian names now, while working class people often are more original, particularly with deliberate mis-spellings of names, or use of surnames as forenames. Lots of double-barrelling too.
Surnames as forenames and unconventional spellings come from America. I blame satellite telly.
Any graphic designers want to weigh in on Sunak's (sorry, Rishi's) campaign logo Not sure that is official conservative blue, but the "I" also serving as an exclamation point is a nice touch.
Any graphic designers want to weigh in on Sunak's (sorry, Rishi's) campaign logo Not sure that is official conservative blue, but the "I" also serving as an exclamation point is a nice touch.
I don't think he will be getting many prizes. Perhaps it was done on Adobe's free package.
Martin Lewis @MartinSLewis NEWS: I feel sick writing this! I've just got the latest price cap predictions from @CornwallInsight . A huge spike in the key year-ahead wholesale price means
OCT cap prediction UP 64% (so £3,244/yr on typical bills) JAN cap prediction UP 4% (so £3,363/yr)
thats about £270 a month on average...the govt will be in big trouble on this by september
Is it the Governments fault then?
Thankfully Labour have a comprehensive plan to tackle the exponential increase in wholesale energy prices.
Gas is down a lot today, perhaps SKS deserves credit for that
Any graphic designers want to weigh in on Sunak's (sorry, Rishi's) campaign logo Not sure that is official conservative blue, but the "I" also serving as an exclamation point is a nice touch.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
In a posh seaside hotel recently - where I was having a sandwich not staying, obvously - I heard a mother refer to her young daughter as Elspeth. I almost choked.
No idea if they were woke, or just posh, though.
It's actually trad Scots. Perfectly normal. Maybe not down there?
Ah, news to me. Thanks. Perhaps I had been teed up by a very posh Oscar and Jasper heard in the previous few minutes…
Was that the art deco hotel in Morecambe or something?
Similar in Architecture. Saunton Sands Hotel in North Devon during a May bank holiday weekend. About £350 a night. It was quite the scene.
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
They really cannot find their way out of the Wokefinder Generals clutches can they?
It isn't going to win them an election.
actually foxy a hard line on immigration plus for example a repeal of gay marriage may win them the election as it would get big red wall support...
"a repeal of gay marriage" - Jesus wept. Do you think there is huge residual opposition among people whose main news source is US-owned social media?
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
In a posh seaside hotel recently - where I was having a sandwich not staying, obvously - I heard a mother refer to her young daughter as Elspeth. I almost choked.
No idea if they were woke, or just posh, though.
A acquaintance has a daughter called Elspeth. Mother definitely not woke. Scottish - I'd understood/assumed it was a Scottish name. Have heard it before.
Just for clarity: Elspeth and Elizabeth are variants of the same basic original name.
John the Baptist's mum. I believe very rare in England until Good Queen Bess.
Any graphic designers want to weigh in on Sunak's (sorry, Rishi's) campaign logo Not sure that is official conservative blue, but the "I" also serving as an exclamation point is a nice touch.
"Ready for x" always sounds a bit weak.
Has unfortunate shades of Jeb! about it.
Raab is quite interesting form a design point of view because it is almost, but not quite symmetrical
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
God, they’re going to get worse before they get better, aren’t they?
Yet again appealing to a shrinking and ageing segment of the electorate.
Next stop a grilling by the triple-lock conservation society followed by a multi choice test on imperial weights and measures.
the assumption the young are pro woke is wrong....yes the metropolitan middle class youth are i agree...not so much the working class youth in the north...these people are conformist but as soon as a strong leader pushes back against woke they will follow
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
Christopher Chope AND common sense have never before appeared in the same sentence. Quite possibly the most appalling member.
This is true, but that tweet is from Chris Hope, the journalist
Tugendhat - the 'time for a fresh face' candidate Sunak - the 'don't rock the boat' candidate Truss - the 'you can compare me to Thatcher, please' candidate Braverman - the 'continuity' candidate Hunt - the 'you made a mistake last time' candidate Mordaunt - the 'I was in the reserves' candidate Berry - the 'you've never heard of me, have you?' candidate Baker - the 'Proper Brexiteer' candidate Zahawi - the candidate for people who like slithering reptiles Javid - the 'missed his chance, going for a last attempt' candidate Wallace - the 'blank canvas' candidate Badenoch - the 'anti-woke' candidate
*not all declared, but included as 'considering a run'
I expect blank canvas to win, if he runs and it goes to members.
Martin Lewis @MartinSLewis NEWS: I feel sick writing this! I've just got the latest price cap predictions from @CornwallInsight . A huge spike in the key year-ahead wholesale price means
OCT cap prediction UP 64% (so £3,244/yr on typical bills) JAN cap prediction UP 4% (so £3,363/yr)
thats about £270 a month on average...the govt will be in big trouble on this by september
Is it the Governments fault then?
Thankfully Labour have a comprehensive plan to tackle the exponential increase in wholesale energy prices.
Gas is down a lot today, perhaps SKS deserves credit for that
I’m going to take that as an amusing curry fart joke.
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
They really cannot find their way out of the Wokefinder Generals clutches can they?
It isn't going to win them an election.
actually foxy a hard line on immigration plus for example a repeal of gay marriage may win them the election as it would get big red wall support...
Rishi is too slick by half - he’s even created his own logo - and it insults the intelligence to suggest he is now for “seriousness, unity, and honesty” when he’s been sitting next to Boris all this time.
Plus, his record is littered with quite odd little misjudgements.
Doncha just hope he wins?
The fun that can be had with all that non-dom naughtiness will keep us entertained for years. And if he wants our votes he will just have to give us lashings of free money...again!
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
They really cannot find their way out of the Wokefinder Generals clutches can they?
It isn't going to win them an election.
actually foxy a hard line on immigration plus for example a repeal of gay marriage may win them the election as it would get big red wall support...
Maybe the red wall in Russia, but not here!
That feels like quite an incredible assertion from our new poster. What does the polling say?
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
They really cannot find their way out of the Wokefinder Generals clutches can they?
It isn't going to win them an election.
actually foxy a hard line on immigration plus for example a repeal of gay marriage may win them the election as it would get big red wall support...
Maybe the red wall in Russia, but not here!
Hard line on immigration? Sure. But repeal of gay marriage? Plenty of religious people don't have a problem with it, and there aren't enough hardline evangelical types to swing the red wall on that issue I think. If you had the MP vote repeated today there'd be far fewer against, once done people don't care even if they objected on 'tradition' grounds before.
My brother lives in the Red Wall, so I'm allowed to generalise about them.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
Yeah we avoided all names out of the bible as we aren't Christians. We chose South Asian names for our girls and a traditional English name for our son - which was very unfashionable when we chose it but is now one of the most popular boys' names in the country, so we seem to have been ahead of a trend. Generally speaking old fashioned traditional names are in with the Wokerati these days I think, but nothing too posh.
I assume Nigel is not one of the more popular?
Nigel has gone virtually extinct for now. Common in my 1950s generation.
Jason, Gary. And what happened to Dave and Steve? Not many Pauls either.
Looks like Sunak is running on the 'only serious adult who wont tell you fairy stories' ticket.
This is quite good, isn't it? It has no policies whatsoever, but it embraces the "plucky immigrant family" theme in a way that I think even hard-hearted Red Wallers will find difficult to despise. The mood music really works well.
sadly there will be many who will never vote for a black or asian pm whatever his backstory
Dixiedean and I covered this about 22 months ago. I think the number of people who will be put off by someone brown is negligible, particularly someone like Rishi who makes no attempt to define himself by his skin colour. Dixiedean thought me too optimistic however.
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
God, they’re going to get worse before they get better, aren’t they?
Yet again appealing to a shrinking and ageing segment of the electorate.
Next stop a grilling by the triple-lock conservation society followed by a multi choice test on imperial weights and measures.
the assumption the young are pro woke is wrong....yes the metropolitan middle class youth are i agree...not so much the working class youth in the north...these people are conformist but as soon as a strong leader pushes back against woke they will follow
They need a strong, muscular and not at all homo-erotic leader like Putin to inspire them...
Tugendhat - the 'time for a fresh face' candidate Sunak - the 'don't rock the boat' candidate Truss - the 'you can compare me to Thatcher, please' candidate Braverman - the 'continuity' candidate Hunt - the 'you made a mistake last time' candidate Mordaunt - the 'I was in the reserves' candidate Berry - the 'you've never heard of me, have you?' candidate Baker - the 'Proper Brexiteer' candidate Zahawi - the candidate for people who like slithering reptiles Javid - the 'missed his chance, going for a last attempt' candidate Wallace - the 'blank canvas' candidate Badenoch - the 'anti-woke' candidate
*not all declared, but included as 'considering a run'
I expect blank canvas to win, if he runs and it goes to members.
Me too. That said there will be those that like @Leon really dislike him because he is dull. That is actually code for him having been a remainer.
Tugendhat - the 'time for a fresh face' candidate Sunak - the 'don't rock the boat' candidate Truss - the 'you can compare me to Thatcher, please' candidate Braverman - the 'continuity' candidate Hunt - the 'you made a mistake last time' candidate Mordaunt - the 'I was in the reserves' candidate Berry - the 'you've never heard of me, have you?' candidate Baker - the 'Proper Brexiteer' candidate Zahawi - the candidate for people who like slithering reptiles Javid - the 'missed his chance, going for a last attempt' candidate Wallace - the 'blank canvas' candidate Badenoch - the 'anti-woke' candidate
*not all declared, but included as 'considering a run'
I expect blank canvas to win, if he runs and it goes to members.
You forgot John Baron the 'stop the war' candidate( resigned over IDS support for Iraq and was anti Libyan intervention)
Tugendhat - the 'time for a fresh face' candidate Sunak - the 'don't rock the boat' candidate Truss - the 'you can compare me to Thatcher, please' candidate Braverman - the 'continuity' candidate Hunt - the 'you made a mistake last time' candidate Mordaunt - the 'I was in the reserves' candidate Berry - the 'you've never heard of me, have you?' candidate Baker - the 'Proper Brexiteer' candidate Zahawi - the candidate for people who like slithering reptiles Javid - the 'missed his chance, going for a last attempt' candidate Wallace - the 'blank canvas' candidate Badenoch - the 'anti-woke' candidate
*not all declared, but included as 'considering a run'
I expect blank canvas to win, if he runs and it goes to members.
I have no preference atm; I'd like to hear them all speak.
Having said that, I'd quite like there to be a third female leader. Just so the Conservatives can look at Labour and ask them why their full-time leaders are always male...
Henry Zeffman @hzeffman · 8m Sunak straight out of the blocks with a series of endorsers — notably Mark Harper, a thorn in Boris Johnson’s side over Covid and much else
Sunak has done very well to sign up Harper....He will settle a lot of right wing nerves...
Any graphic designers want to weigh in on Sunak's (sorry, Rishi's) campaign logo Not sure that is official conservative blue, but the "I" also serving as an exclamation point is a nice touch.
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
Christopher Chope AND common sense have never before appeared in the same sentence. Quite possibly the most appalling member.
My mistake, I can't read. Christopher Hope. Different chap altogether.
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
They really cannot find their way out of the Wokefinder Generals clutches can they?
It isn't going to win them an election.
actually foxy a hard line on immigration plus for example a repeal of gay marriage may win them the election as it would get big red wall support...
Maybe the red wall in Russia, but not here!
That feels like quite an incredible assertion from our new poster. What does the polling say?
Apart from anything else, our not very new "pal" ignores the point that any Tory Party campaignong on that platform would have to admit that one of their key propaganda reasons for Brexit was bollocks because immigration was still uncontrolled.
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
They really cannot find their way out of the Wokefinder Generals clutches can they?
It isn't going to win them an election.
It may win them the Tory leadership election, in a tie break scenario.
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
God, they’re going to get worse before they get better, aren’t they?
Yet again appealing to a shrinking and ageing segment of the electorate.
Next stop a grilling by the triple-lock conservation society followed by a multi choice test on imperial weights and measures.
the assumption the young are pro woke is wrong....yes the metropolitan middle class youth are i agree...not so much the working class youth in the north...these people are conformist but as soon as a strong leader pushes back against woke they will follow
Strong leader, that’s what we need. Along with repeal of gay marriage and the recovery of our stolen ancestral lands in Novorossiya.
Martin Lewis @MartinSLewis NEWS: I feel sick writing this! I've just got the latest price cap predictions from @CornwallInsight . A huge spike in the key year-ahead wholesale price means
OCT cap prediction UP 64% (so £3,244/yr on typical bills) JAN cap prediction UP 4% (so £3,363/yr)
thats about £270 a month on average...the govt will be in big trouble on this by september
Is it the Governments fault then?
Thankfully Labour have a comprehensive plan to tackle the exponential increase in wholesale energy prices.
Gas is down a lot today, perhaps SKS deserves credit for that
No that has happened on Boris' watch. Let's hope he gets all the electoral credit he deserves for that, oh wait...
Tugendhat - the 'time for a fresh face' candidate Sunak - the 'don't rock the boat' candidate Truss - the 'you can compare me to Thatcher, please' candidate Braverman - the 'continuity' candidate Hunt - the 'you made a mistake last time' candidate Mordaunt - the 'I was in the reserves' candidate Berry - the 'you've never heard of me, have you?' candidate Baker - the 'Proper Brexiteer' candidate Zahawi - the candidate for people who like slithering reptiles Javid - the 'missed his chance, going for a last attempt' candidate Wallace - the 'blank canvas' candidate Badenoch - the 'anti-woke' candidate
*not all declared, but included as 'considering a run'
I expect blank canvas to win, if he runs and it goes to members.
I intend to cut out and keep this handy primer because it 100% gives me everything I need to know in one sentence.
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
Christopher Chope AND common sense have never before appeared in the same sentence. Quite possibly the most appalling member.
This is true, but that tweet is from Chris Hope, the journalist
No. I can't read. Apology and late correction down thread.
I'd bet residual opposition to gay marriage is significantly lower in WWC red wall seats than in metropolitan London seats with large non-white Christian populations.
Looks like Sunak is running on the 'only serious adult who wont tell you fairy stories' ticket.
This is quite good, isn't it? It has no policies whatsoever, but it embraces the "plucky immigrant family" theme in a way that I think even hard-hearted Red Wallers will find difficult to despise. The mood music really works well.
sadly there will be many who will never vote for a black or asian pm whatever his backstory
Dixiedean and I covered this about 22 months ago. I think the number of people who will be put off by someone brown is negligible, particularly someone like Rishi who makes no attempt to define himself by his skin colour. Dixiedean thought me too optimistic however.
I remember that well. I may well have been wrong on reflection. It won't be zero, mind. Though those who will vote positively because of it won't be either.
Any graphic designers want to weigh in on Sunak's (sorry, Rishi's) campaign logo Not sure that is official conservative blue, but the "I" also serving as an exclamation point is a nice touch.
Any graphic designers want to weigh in on Sunak's (sorry, Rishi's) campaign logo Not sure that is official conservative blue, but the "I" also serving as an exclamation point is a nice touch.
Tugendhat - the 'time for a fresh face' candidate Sunak - the 'don't rock the boat' candidate Truss - the 'you can compare me to Thatcher, please' candidate Braverman - the 'continuity' candidate Hunt - the 'you made a mistake last time' candidate Mordaunt - the 'I was in the reserves' candidate Berry - the 'you've never heard of me, have you?' candidate Baker - the 'Proper Brexiteer' candidate Zahawi - the candidate for people who like slithering reptiles Javid - the 'missed his chance, going for a last attempt' candidate Wallace - the 'blank canvas' candidate Badenoch - the 'anti-woke' candidate
*not all declared, but included as 'considering a run'
I expect blank canvas to win, if he runs and it goes to members.
I intend to cut out and keep this handy primer because it 100% gives me everything I need to know in one sentence.
In which case I confess I had no idea what to put for Braverman. I went with continuity on the basis she stayed until the end, and was apparently a pretty shameless hack as Attorny General to defend Boris's choices.
Any graphic designers want to weigh in on Sunak's (sorry, Rishi's) campaign logo Not sure that is official conservative blue, but the "I" also serving as an exclamation point is a nice touch.
It’s actually ok. He’s spent money on it.
Touch of austerity about it like a supermarket value range label. Very appropriate.
Wiggin the 'i'm married to Dave Camerons ex' candidate
So updated that is
Tugendhat - the 'time for a fresh face' candidate Sunak - the 'don't rock the boat' candidate Truss - the 'you can compare me to Thatcher, please' candidate Braverman - the 'continuity' candidate Hunt - the 'you made a mistake last time' candidate Mordaunt - the 'I was in the reserves' candidate Berry - the 'you've never heard of me, have you?' candidate Baker - the 'Proper Brexiteer' candidate Zahawi - the candidate for people who like slithering reptiles Javid - the 'missed his chance, going for a last attempt' candidate Wallace - the 'blank canvas' candidate Badenoch - the 'anti-woke' candidate Wiggin - the 'i'm married to Dave Camerons ex' candidate Baron - the 'stop the war' candidate
There, splash it in a tweet and get temporary likes for summarising everyone instantly, which is helpful even if arbitrary.
Tugendhat - the 'time for a fresh face' candidate Sunak - the 'don't rock the boat' candidate Truss - the 'you can compare me to Thatcher, please' candidate Braverman - the 'continuity' candidate Hunt - the 'you made a mistake last time' candidate Mordaunt - the 'I was in the reserves' candidate Berry - the 'you've never heard of me, have you?' candidate Baker - the 'Proper Brexiteer' candidate Zahawi - the candidate for people who like slithering reptiles Javid - the 'missed his chance, going for a last attempt' candidate Wallace - the 'blank canvas' candidate Badenoch - the 'anti-woke' candidate
*not all declared, but included as 'considering a run'
I expect blank canvas to win, if he runs and it goes to members.
I intend to cut out and keep this handy primer because it 100% gives me everything I need to know in one sentence.
In which case I confess I had no idea what to put for Braverman. I went with continuity on the basis she stayed until the end, and was apparently a pretty shameless hack as Attorny General to defend Boris's choices.
In an ironic twist, the candidate for the cowardly man.
Any graphic designers want to weigh in on Sunak's (sorry, Rishi's) campaign logo Not sure that is official conservative blue, but the "I" also serving as an exclamation point is a nice touch.
At least he isn't tainted by the stench of Johnson due to his ultra low profile. When my parents lived near Ledbury he was their last MP in the Leominster constituency, although they barely noticed.
Henry Zeffman @hzeffman · 8m Sunak straight out of the blocks with a series of endorsers — notably Mark Harper, a thorn in Boris Johnson’s side over Covid and much else
Sunak has done very well to sign up Harper....He will settle a lot of right wing nerves...
His chancellor?
I thought Harper might have a go himself. Though I'm never totally sure I'm not confusing him with someone else.
The video of disappointed Boris voters in the red wall posted on the last thread by MickG or whatever his name is, was very very interesting.
The media / Tories / establishment have removed “their Boris”, who they voted for “knowing full well he made mistakes, like all of us”.
They do have a point.
I know tons of people like that. Older, poorly educated, always done hard physical, boring work. (I once had a friend from Oz visit me as art of a jaunt round the UK, and he had to sit and wait for me in Pontefract town centre for a bit while I got back from somewhere. When I get there he said 'God, everyone looks like a physical wreck. They've had hard lives, you can tell.')
If they haven't stopped, they smoke baccy now, or vape, cos packets of 20 cigs are too expensive. Spent their lives reading the sun and mail at chipped formica tables in scabby work canteens. Do the lottery every single week, probably as part of a syndicate. They'll be gutted. Nice people generally, backbone of this country in many ways.
I'm not sneering at these people. I've been there and done it myself, before finally getting my shit together and going to uni when I was 27. I still drink with them. They're funny, smart, self-deprecating, fatalistic, stoic, they don't suffer fools.
It is bonkers how they identify so strongly with Johnson. My take on it is that he embodies this idea of England as they remember it from their childhood, that he promises to resurrect, that Brexit will bring back. A place where everything worked. Everyone had a job. You could get a doctor's appointment by ringing up the surgery at ten past 8, and after three rings you would be speaking to a receptionist - a human! - and get your appointment for half 11 that morning. Households could live comfortably off one wage. There were park keepers. And dog wardens. And industry. Police would turn up when your shed got broken into, no such thing as a crime number. You could get a job by showing up somewhere and asking for one, didn't have to fill out a form or have an interview. They can't understand why the world doesn't work like that anymore. And can't see why it shouldn't again.
Driven by nostalgia.
And instead of having to think about all the complicated, interconnected reasons why that world has gone, the political decisions taken, the tax cuts, the underfunding, 'trickle down', they prefer to blame foreigners. Cos it's easier. And that's what's been shovelled into their brains for decades.
Shame really. They won't change their minds now.
Don't think they hate foreigners but many of these people don't have the financial resources to escape diversity unlike many of the woke middle class who bleat about how they love it but live well away from it
I also don’t think they hate foreigners, at least not chiefly. Rather, they resent them for bringing un-asked for cultural change and (to their minds) over-burdening public services.
I think their chief hate is for the unaccountable elite in London who have taken away the life they think they knew.
You are wrong about the wokest middle class, though. They tend to live in areas of high multi-cultural diversity and actually can’t fathom why others would not want to do so.
yes they do before they have kids...i agree they happily live in areas like hackney...once they have kids however they either move away from the diversity or send their kids to privare schools to escape the diversity
you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
how is stating facts being nasty...or are you embarrassed by the facts
I am not sure it was particularly nasty. Quite prejudiced and definitely not factual though. Woke folk will very rarely privately educated their children. They just try to find the highest performing state school that they can and use money and sharp elbows, along with private tutoring, to ensure they can virtue signal to their woke friends about how Sky and Summer managed to get into Oxford while still going to a state school all due to their superior (genetically inherited) intelligence.
Oh please, like any self-respecting member of the Wokerati would name their kid after a satellite TV channel.
Thank you for that correction also. I don't know that many woke people. What do they call their children these days? I imagine saints names are definitely out? Tarquin might be a little posh (although was the name given in Viz for thE child of Modern Parents - they were def woke)
In a posh seaside hotel recently - where I was having a sandwich not staying, obvously - I heard a mother refer to her young daughter as Elspeth. I almost choked.
No idea if they were woke, or just posh, though.
A acquaintance has a daughter called Elspeth. Mother definitely not woke. Scottish - I'd understood/assumed it was a Scottish name. Have heard it before.
Just for clarity: Elspeth and Elizabeth are variants of the same basic original name.
John the Baptist's mum. I believe very rare in England until Good Queen Bess.
Named after her grandmother, Elizabeth of York. Named after her mother, Elizabeth Woodville.
Also used at least twice in the Percy family, frequently in the Ferrers family, and more than once in the Mortimer family, in the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries.
Also the name of the mother of one of Henry VIII's two sons, Elizabeth Blount.
Any graphic designers want to weigh in on Sunak's (sorry, Rishi's) campaign logo Not sure that is official conservative blue, but the "I" also serving as an exclamation point is a nice touch.
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
They really cannot find their way out of the Wokefinder Generals clutches can they?
It isn't going to win them an election.
actually foxy a hard line on immigration plus for example a repeal of gay marriage may win them the election as it would get big red wall support...
Maybe the red wall in Russia, but not here!
i dont think you know the red wall Foxy...there is a big Muslim vote there too and a repeal of gay marriage could swing big blocks towards the conservatives
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In common with other Americans I've met recently, they were cheerfully lamenting that their country is falling apart and may be irretrievably divided.
Anyway, the Blind Bull in Little Hucklow. Well worth a visit.
Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently.
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
Not sure that is official conservative blue, but the "I" also serving as an exclamation point is a nice touch.
I’m on the attack
I might be tiny, honey
But I’m all about the sound money
I wear short slacks
And my wife pays her tax
So follow on insta
And make me Prime Minsta
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It isn't going to win them an election.
I don't know how much budget it had, but it seems to have been very effective.
I genuinely done understand this fabrication of imaginary woke people the right of this forum come up with. It’s utterly divorced from any reality. Just a bunch of mad windmill tilting.
Yet again appealing to a shrinking and ageing segment of the electorate.
Next stop a grilling by the triple-lock conservation society followed by a multi choice test on imperial weights and measures.
Plus, his record is littered with quite odd little misjudgements.
Apparently they don't give a Fuch for Ukraine.
He’s spent money on it.
Tugendhat - the 'time for a fresh face' candidate
Sunak - the 'don't rock the boat' candidate
Truss - the 'you can compare me to Thatcher, please' candidate
Braverman - the 'continuity' candidate
Hunt - the 'you made a mistake last time' candidate
Mordaunt - the 'I was in the reserves' candidate
Berry - the 'you've never heard of me, have you?' candidate
Baker - the 'Proper Brexiteer' candidate
Zahawi - the candidate for people who like slithering reptiles
Javid - the 'missed his chance, going for a last attempt' candidate
Wallace - the 'blank canvas' candidate
Badenoch - the 'anti-woke' candidate
*not all declared, but included as 'considering a run'
I expect blank canvas to win, if he runs and it goes to members.
The fun that can be had with all that non-dom naughtiness will keep us entertained for years. And if he wants our votes he will just have to give us lashings of free money...again!
My brother lives in the Red Wall, so I'm allowed to generalise about them.
Having said that, I'd quite like there to be a third female leader. Just so the Conservatives can look at Labour and ask them why their full-time leaders are always male...
Sunak has done very well to sign up Harper....He will settle a lot of right wing nerves...
His chancellor?
Superb chart in @KateAndrs weekly Spectator Economics email via @spectator https://twitter.com/fletcherr/status/1545432818758590464/photo/1
Any better alliterations?
Sunak: 6
Tugendhat: 5
Braverman: 4
Truss: 3
Mordaunt: 2
Hunt: 2
Shapps: 1
Zahawi: 1
Drilldown:
https://sotn.newstatesman.com/2022/07/conservative-leadership-election-who-backing-replace-boris-johnson/
It’s … Bill Wiggin, the MP for North Herefordshire, who’s been canvassing MPs for support today as below 👇🏻 https://twitter.com/9andrewmcdonald/status/1545434374497353730/photo/1
I mean, I want a progressive government, so in that sense the worst candidate - perhaps Suella, or one of the various anonymous candidates.
In terms of who I think would actually be best for the country, I’d probably rank them:
1. Tugendhat
2. Wallace
3. Hunt
4. Javid
5. Baker
4. Mordaunt
5. Sunak
6. Truss
7. Zahawi
8. Braverman
I don’t know Berry and various others.
Tugendhat - the 'time for a fresh face' candidate
Sunak - the 'don't rock the boat' candidate
Truss - the 'you can compare me to Thatcher, please' candidate
Braverman - the 'continuity' candidate
Hunt - the 'you made a mistake last time' candidate
Mordaunt - the 'I was in the reserves' candidate
Berry - the 'you've never heard of me, have you?' candidate
Baker - the 'Proper Brexiteer' candidate
Zahawi - the candidate for people who like slithering reptiles
Javid - the 'missed his chance, going for a last attempt' candidate
Wallace - the 'blank canvas' candidate
Badenoch - the 'anti-woke' candidate
Wiggin - the 'i'm married to Dave Camerons ex' candidate
Baron - the 'stop the war' candidate
There, splash it in a tweet and get temporary likes for summarising everyone instantly, which is helpful even if arbitrary.
Braverman is the ''I can get away refugee crackdowns because i am from an ethnic minority'' candidate.
Though I'm never totally sure I'm not confusing him with someone else.
Also used at least twice in the Percy family, frequently in the Ferrers family, and more than once in the Mortimer family, in the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries.
Also the name of the mother of one of Henry VIII's two sons, Elizabeth Blount.
Not that rare, on the face of it...