Your numbering has gone a bit off there. Baker, that's who I confuse Harper with. Reckon my list is not too dissimilar. Sunak probably a bit higher, Hunt a bit lower.
Yeh, my numbering’s shot. I know of Berry, I know of Badenoch. I’m inclined to have an opinion of them, but it’s insufficient for me to rank them. Barron, Wiggins et al I don’t have a danny la rue.
Tugendhat - the 'time for a fresh face' candidate Sunak - the 'don't rock the boat' candidate Truss - the 'you can compare me to Thatcher, please' candidate Braverman - the 'continuity' candidate Hunt - the 'you made a mistake last time' candidate Mordaunt - the 'I was in the reserves' candidate Berry - the 'you've never heard of me, have you?' candidate Baker - the 'Proper Brexiteer' candidate Zahawi - the candidate for people who like slithering reptiles Javid - the 'missed his chance, going for a last attempt' candidate Wallace - the 'blank canvas' candidate Badenoch - the 'anti-woke' candidate
*not all declared, but included as 'considering a run'
I expect blank canvas to win, if he runs and it goes to members.
I intend to cut out and keep this handy primer because it 100% gives me everything I need to know in one sentence.
Berry - the Northern Powerhouse get 1/4 the way there then run out of track candidate
NEW: Nadhim Zahawi gets first endorsement for leadership.
Key Red Wall MP Jonathan Gullis tells me: 'I'm hoping Nadhim puts his hat into the ring to become leader & prime minister.
'I've known him since 2010 when he became my constituency MP in the place I grew up...
'He's not just a colleague but a friend & the epitome of a Great British success story - a refugee who came to this country & is grateful to this country for making him who he is today.
'He's a self made success story, which matches the aspiration of people in Stoke-on-Trent...
'...who want access to the best education & the ability to start their own businesses.
'He backed Brexit & believes in this country. I believe he's the best candidate to lead the party & the country.'
At least he isn't tainted by the stench of Johnson due to his ultra low profile. When my parents lived near Ledbury he was their last MP in the Leominster constituency, although they barely noticed.
Alicia Kearns, she of the pork pie plot, has said she will not be standing.
In response to rumours, which perhaps she started herself, that she might be.
I think someone sent her name to Fat Harry the cuck as a joke
Sunak vs Starmer, boring vs boring. Except one is a rich banker and one a working class boy done good.
What is Sunak's strategy for the Red Wall, it sounds like he's going for Cameron 2.0?
At least with him, the culture wars might finally be forgotten about.
Strategy is preserve the Blue Shires, and rely on money splashing and first time incumbency to preserve enough of the Red Wall to win. It's a big majority to lose.
If Davis did stand I would rank him quite highly. Everything’s relative, there are a lot worse than him.
Seriously? he is one of the few MPs who gives Johnson a run for his money on no attention to detail and general laziness. A premiership with him would be as chaotic as Bozo's
If Davis did stand I would rank him quite highly. Everything’s relative, there are a lot worse than him.
Seriously? he is one of the few MPs who gives Johnson a run for his money on no attention to detail and general laziness. A premiership with him would be as chaotic as Bozo's
Laziness is not critical. See Reagan. Like I said, it’s all relative.
Look, I knew who Jake Berry was, but I have never heard of this character.
Would it help if I said he's the son of the former MP for Weston-super-Mare Jerry Wiggin? Probably not! Unless you were living there in the 70s, 80s and 90s.
Sunak into 7-2 with a slew of endorsements. I think he deserves the price, Wallace drifting to 6s.
sunak will appeal to middle class southern woke liberals who want to show they are down with diversity....with his manner he will have no appeal in the red wall...he seems like a rich elitist
Sunak into 7-2 with a slew of endorsements. I think he deserves the price, Wallace drifting to 6s.
sunak will appeal to middle class southern woke liberals who want to show they are down with diversity....with his manner he will have no appeal in the red wall...he seems like a rich elitist
Sunak into 7-2 with a slew of endorsements. I think he deserves the price, Wallace drifting to 6s.
sunak will appeal to middle class southern woke liberals who want to show they are down with diversity....with his manner he will have no appeal in the red wall...he seems like a rich elitist
He's basically Cameron 2.0.
yes and times have changed dramatically since 2010
Sunak into 7-2 with a slew of endorsements. I think he deserves the price, Wallace drifting to 6s.
sunak will appeal to middle class southern woke liberals who want to show they are down with diversity....with his manner he will have no appeal in the red wall...he seems like a rich elitist
He's basically Cameron 2.0.
He really isn’t. It’s a measure of how far the Tory Party have gone that you think that might be true.
Sunak into 7-2 with a slew of endorsements. I think he deserves the price, Wallace drifting to 6s.
sunak will appeal to middle class southern woke liberals who want to show they are down with diversity....with his manner he will have no appeal in the red wall...he seems like a rich elitist
He's basically Cameron 2.0.
Cameron won. I think the Tories would take that.
They'd be fools to. They need some time out of government. But they will cling to power as long as possible instead of looking at the bigger picture or the longer term.
NEW Anti-woke Conservative Common-sense Group to grill all Tory leadership candidates on Monday July 18 at 6pm. Expect the ‘culture wars’, statues and controversial street names to feature prominently. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1545430774006038533
I wonder if any candidate uses 'common sense' to tell them where they can stick it
They really cannot find their way out of the Wokefinder Generals clutches can they?
It isn't going to win them an election.
actually foxy a hard line on immigration plus for example a repeal of gay marriage may win them the election as it would get big red wall support...
Maybe the red wall in Russia, but not here!
i dont think you know the red wall Foxy...there is a big Muslim vote there too and a repeal of gay marriage could swing big blocks towards the conservatives
a) Gay marriage is never going to be repealed.
b) Why do you think Muslims in the red wall are different to Muslims in Leicester?
Sunak into 7-2 with a slew of endorsements. I think he deserves the price, Wallace drifting to 6s.
sunak will appeal to middle class southern woke liberals who want to show they are down with diversity....with his manner he will have no appeal in the red wall...he seems like a rich elitist
He's basically Cameron 2.0.
He really isn’t. It’s a measure of how far the Tory Party have gone that you think that might be true.
He's the only candidate I could seemingly imagine Blue Wallers actually voting for.
Sunak into 7-2 with a slew of endorsements. I think he deserves the price, Wallace drifting to 6s.
sunak will appeal to middle class southern woke liberals who want to show they are down with diversity....with his manner he will have no appeal in the red wall...he seems like a rich elitist
He's basically Cameron 2.0.
Cameron won. I think the Tories would take that.
They'd be fools to. They need some time out of government. But they will cling to power as long as possible instead of looking at the bigger picture or the longer term.
cameron wasnt facing fuel bills of >£3000 per annum and 10% inflation
Sunak into 7-2 with a slew of endorsements. I think he deserves the price, Wallace drifting to 6s.
sunak will appeal to middle class southern woke liberals who want to show they are down with diversity....with his manner he will have no appeal in the red wall...he seems like a rich elitist
He's basically Cameron 2.0.
He really isn’t. It’s a measure of how far the Tory Party have gone that you think that might be true.
He's the only candidate I could seemingly imagine Blue Wallers actually voting for.
You mean apart from Tugendhat, Wallace, Mordaunt, Hunt, and even Javid?
Sunak into 7-2 with a slew of endorsements. I think he deserves the price, Wallace drifting to 6s.
sunak will appeal to middle class southern woke liberals who want to show they are down with diversity....with his manner he will have no appeal in the red wall...he seems like a rich elitist
He's basically Cameron 2.0.
He really isn’t. It’s a measure of how far the Tory Party have gone that you think that might be true.
He's the only candidate I could seemingly imagine Blue Wallers actually voting for.
You mean apart from Tugendhat, Wallace, Mordaunt, Hunt, and even Javid?
None of them are likely to end up in the final two.
Rishi Sunak is a superb politician. Who can forget his world-beating Eat Out To Spread It About angel of death act, or that time he pretended to fill up a pleb’s car with petrol and then didn’t know how to use the card machine? Truly a man to be trusted with running the country. https://twitter.com/NicholasPegg/status/1545441976476176384/photo/1
The current monthly standard allowance for someone under 25 on Universal Credit is £265.31
The new energy price cap from October is now expected to be be £270 per month.
What a society we live in
Fortunately we live in a period of many job vacancies.
Current minimum wage for a 24 year old on a 37.5 hour week: £1543.75. Current full basic state pension for a someone born in 1950: £614.68. Current full basic state pension for a 67 year old: ££802.32.
Sunak into 7-2 with a slew of endorsements. I think he deserves the price, Wallace drifting to 6s.
sunak will appeal to middle class southern woke liberals who want to show they are down with diversity....with his manner he will have no appeal in the red wall...he seems like a rich elitist
When you are incapable of nuanced argument, there is nothing like a good bit of sweeping generalisation eh? Are you a friend of HYUFD?
Undertook an experiment by showing pictures of all the declared or thought to be declared candidates to my go to anecdote relative - working class, 65, Boris fan - and asked for their immediate opinion just from looking at their official photos. I gave no names or details.
Tugendhat - boyish, how old is he supposed to be? Truss - seems alright Braverman - Nope Hunt - Looks really weird Mordaunt - Not sure Berry - looks like someone is squeezing his balls just off shot Baker - Looks alright. Zahawi - Nope Javid - Definitely not Wallace - Literally no opinion could form Badenoch - Seems approachable, decent Wiggin - untrustworthy Baron - too smiley (note from me: harsh, it is an official photo) Davis – Looks too strict
Sunak - the only one they actually recognised. 'Definitely don't trust him. Thinks because his wife is rich everyone is. Toys with people'.
Blank canvas against, Baker, Truss and Badenoch it is.
(He did accept it would take time to get used to any new people)
Sunak into 7-2 with a slew of endorsements. I think he deserves the price, Wallace drifting to 6s.
sunak will appeal to middle class southern woke liberals who want to show they are down with diversity....with his manner he will have no appeal in the red wall...he seems like a rich elitist
He's basically Cameron 2.0.
He really isn’t. It’s a measure of how far the Tory Party have gone that you think that might be true.
He's the only candidate I could seemingly imagine Blue Wallers actually voting for.
You mean apart from Tugendhat, Wallace, Mordaunt, Hunt, and even Javid?
I could potentially return to voting Tory if any of those were leader.
Sunak into 7-2 with a slew of endorsements. I think he deserves the price, Wallace drifting to 6s.
sunak will appeal to middle class southern woke liberals who want to show they are down with diversity....with his manner he will have no appeal in the red wall...he seems like a rich elitist
He's basically Cameron 2.0.
He really isn’t. It’s a measure of how far the Tory Party have gone that you think that might be true.
He's the only candidate I could seemingly imagine Blue Wallers actually voting for.
You mean apart from Tugendhat, Wallace, Mordaunt, Hunt, and even Javid?
I could potentially return to voting Tory if any of those were leader.
If any of them won an election, I would not mind. I'd still not vote Tory but I would not mind if they won.
Sunak into 7-2 with a slew of endorsements. I think he deserves the price, Wallace drifting to 6s.
sunak will appeal to middle class southern woke liberals who want to show they are down with diversity....with his manner he will have no appeal in the red wall...he seems like a rich elitist
When you are incapable of nuanced argument, there is nothing like a good bit of sweeping generalisation eh? Are you a friend of HYUFD?
I thought that was a nuanced argument, considering the main point was that his "manner" wouldn't go down well in the industrial north.
Good point. If Sunak can dangle deregulation in front of the faithful, however, that might be enough to get them on side. They might take austerity if it comes with very serious deregulation.
IF Harper, a genuine and vocal opponent of lockdowns and vaccine passports, supports Sunak, that might be his strategy.
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I know of Berry, I know of Badenoch.
I’m inclined to have an opinion of them, but it’s insufficient for me to rank them. Barron, Wiggins et al I don’t have a danny la rue.
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1545437555788759041/video/1
Also
Perlease, bring back Boris.
NEW: Nadhim Zahawi gets first endorsement for leadership.
Key Red Wall MP Jonathan Gullis tells me: 'I'm hoping Nadhim puts his hat into the ring to become leader & prime minister.
'I've known him since 2010 when he became my constituency MP in the place I grew up...
'He's not just a colleague but a friend & the epitome of a Great British success story - a refugee who came to this country & is grateful to this country for making him who he is today.
'He's a self made success story, which matches the aspiration of people in Stoke-on-Trent...
'...who want access to the best education & the ability to start their own businesses.
'He backed Brexit & believes in this country. I believe he's the best candidate to lead the party & the country.'
https://twitter.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1545437975126966276
I was thinking of moving anyway. If she becomes PM I might just decide to move to another country altogether.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ffqemZ-YOi7AvAw8HbxmMd0vIbsOXLZ7KpAmNQPD2r8/edit#gid=0
https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1545113139427123206?s=20&t=Illd6JKiDtLvu5fdD89stA
What is Sunak's strategy for the Red Wall, it sounds like he's going for Cameron 2.0?
At least with him, the culture wars might finally be forgotten about.
Looking forward to the meat on the bones.
Are there any interesting policy proposals from the candidates yet?
The new energy price cap from October is now expected to be be £270 per month.
What a society we live in
I think he deserves the price, Wallace drifting to 6s.
Like I said, it’s all relative.
The other one is a rich banker.
For me? Well, I'll hear your offer...
....elect and re-elect them, I know
Anyway, I wouldn’t put him top of my list.
Mid-level.
Refreshingly, I am not sure any of the serious candidates are particularly interested in the culture wars?
https://twitter.com/fifisyms/status/1545439839776133123
https://www.mailplus.co.uk/edition/news/politics/199860/rishis-running...-and-nadine-could-too?contentLayout=5pm Front Page
Also - bloody awful to cheer those crashes. At least us brits just booed Max
It’s a measure of how far the Tory Party have gone that you think that might be true.
True, her path may be a trifle convoluted, needing to arrange for quickie vacancy in super-safe seat, then snappy by-election, and then . . .
Ma Ferguson did it in Austin - why not Ma Johnson in London?
Of course, some unkind folks MIGHT observe that Carrie is more in mold of Ma Barker.
They'd be fools to. They need some time out of government. But they will cling to power as long as possible instead of looking at the bigger picture or the longer term.
Let’s restore trust, rebuild the economy and reunite the country. #Ready4Rishi
https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1545426650032111616
Idk, he sounds a bit creepy to me.
b) Why do you think Muslims in the red wall are different to Muslims in Leicester?
(It is unfortunate that his name means 'snake.')
https://conservativehome.com/2022/07/08/next-tory-leader-whos-backing-whom-our-working-list/
"There are no secrets to Riski Sunak. That's why I'm supporting him. There are no skeletons in that cupboard."
Fiscally very dry
That's as reckless as @DavidL saying a batsman's now well set...
Current minimum wage for a 24 year old on a 37.5 hour week: £1543.75.
Current full basic state pension for a someone born in 1950: £614.68.
Current full basic state pension for a 67 year old: ££802.32.
Tugendhat - boyish, how old is he supposed to be?
Truss - seems alright
Braverman - Nope
Hunt - Looks really weird
Mordaunt - Not sure
Berry - looks like someone is squeezing his balls just off shot
Baker - Looks alright.
Zahawi - Nope
Javid - Definitely not
Wallace - Literally no opinion could form
Badenoch - Seems approachable, decent
Wiggin - untrustworthy
Baron - too smiley (note from me: harsh, it is an official photo)
Davis – Looks too strict
Sunak - the only one they actually recognised. 'Definitely don't trust him. Thinks because his wife is rich everyone is. Toys with people'.
Blank canvas against, Baker, Truss and Badenoch it is.
(He did accept it would take time to get used to any new people)
Liz Truss really is screwed, isn’t she?
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FIRST CABINET DECLARATION. Mark Spencer, Commons Leader, is backing Rishi Sunak for leader.
Good point. If Sunak can dangle deregulation in front of the faithful, however, that might be enough to get them on side. They might take austerity if it comes with very serious deregulation.
IF Harper, a genuine and vocal opponent of lockdowns and vaccine passports, supports Sunak, that might be his strategy.