As we wait for Boris to do the honourable thing....
the UAP/UFO story rumbles on, as mystifying as ever
"In April 2014, four naval aviators narrowly escaped disaster. Just as they entered highly controlled airspace for a training exercise, their two F/A-18F fighter jets nearly collided with an unidentified flying object (UFO). To the frustration of dozens of their fellow aviators, such a near-catastrophe was inevitable.
"For months before and after the incident, aircrews flying in “exclusive use” training areas off the U.S. East Coast frequently observed unknown objects exhibiting highly anomalous flight characteristics. Despite the collision hazard posed by the UFOs, aviators lacked a formal mechanism to report the mysterious objects."
You believe in UFOs and you believe in Brexit. In Ireland there are "little people" that if you catch one they will give you a wish. In Cornwall they have similar folk. Also I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
You, Sir, are the leaking rectum of a louse
Hehe, fair play, a most excellent insult. I shall not try to respond. That was an unplayable ace!
You're welcome, and thankyou for the compliment
On a more serious note, there really is, still, a UFO story that needs to be addressed, inasmuch as, if you refuse to believe in UFOs (and fair enough, the evidence is weak), then you have to explain why the American Establishment is behaving so oddly
This video is REALLY worth watching, as it threads that argument together
It will take 5 minutes of your time. At the end you have to ask: why are these senior people saying these strange things
In particular look out for minute 2:40 and minute 3:10. In the first one the ex Director of the CIA looks absolutely tortured, and agonised, as he says these things could be "other forms of life". In the second the Director of National Intelligence struggles to say the word "extra terrestrial" as she admits these might be "extra terrestrials"
Why are they tortured and struggling? Is it because they are part of some grand conspiracy to hoodwink the Chinese and it makes them unhappy? Have these top people simply gone mad? Are they acting? One explanation is that they genuinely think these might be extra terrestrials but the idea is so, er, alien, they find it hard to say
Let me know your thoughts
My scientific training causes me to be open minded, but evidence based. I am also sceptical about people who want to believe in something where all the evidence suggests that something does not exist. I am not saying UFOs cannot exist, it is just that it is massively unlikely. The balance of probability is that it is all nonsense. I will take a look at it later, but must do some work. I will also think of a similarly amusing insult for you at a later date!
I am explicitly saying it is probably not "aliens"
If it is aliens where are the 1000s of photos and videos? We all have smartphones. It doesn't add up. I don't believe Will Smith is going round erasing the memories and phones of millions of witnesses
But that leaves us with the mystery of American behaviour. All these top people, from Obama down, saying this weird shit. And some of them saying it with anguished body language, which suggests something going on under the surface
Where are the photos? Is not a slam dunk argument.
Take a bird like the snipe. Little brown fuckers, not rare, really difficult to shoot because they stay low and jink, hence why snipers are called snipers. If their existence were called in question it would be as difficult to prove it by photos as it is to shoot them
Exhibit b is big cats in Devon and Cornwall. Nobody serious disputes they are out there but no decent focused photos. It's harder than it looks
Interesting
Yet those US pilots report being buzzed by these UFOS every day for two years. And the UFOs are not tiny birds, these are considerable "aircraft" that attain great speed and show advanced maneuverability. So they must be easily visible to the naked eye
So where are the videos and photos of these? I'd whip my bloody iPhone out, sharpish
The whole thing is deeply confounding. I've thought about it hard and I can't find one easy single explanation
I can - lies
Who is lying, and why?
Now THAT is the right question.
Seriously - if US pilots are seeing these things all the time, presumably there is headcam footage? Or cockpit footage? Nope? Then I have to ask why. See also millions of airline passengers over the last 20 years with cameras on their phones - did none of them see these UFO's?
So... you have no answer or theory. OK
In science theories (or perhaps more accurately hypotheses) are built up from observational evidence and data collection. Until such times as you or other 'Alien' advocates can provide such observational evidence there is nothing upon which to construct a theory.
If you want to see someone doing a good job of debunking many of these UFO stories then try reading the Skeptoid Blog. The latest one on the Chilean Navy UFO case is a good example.
I know all about the Chilean UFO story, I have read the entire works of Mick West. Do keep up
Moving on swiftly: Joe Rogan has a new theory (and his opinion is as good as any, as he has interviewed everyone in this story) the USG has an incredible new drone technology, which they want to keep secret, and this whole Flap is an attempt to smokescreen that
That's not a bad theory. It explains a few things - like the anguished behaviour of the CIA director and the DNI woman, they are either acting the anguish, or really anguished by their own lies
It also fits with previous US behaviour
However it doesn't fit with the evidence going back decades, and would an ex president like Obama really join in with this? Hmm
Have you got anything from Obama apart from him joking on James Corden's show?
When Obama says what he says on Corden, he absolutely isn't joking. He goes from affable to serious. Here, watch it for yourself. It's at the start so it's easy
So anyone offering odds on Boris Johnson visiting Ukraine in the next 48 hours?
He is due at the liaison committee tomorrow, so Kyiv nailed on...
Poor Zelensky. It's like offering your sofa to a guy at work who's going through a messy divorce for a couple of nights while he gets back on his feet, then finding he's had the post redirected and signed up for a Sky Sports package on an 18 month contract.
@SamCoatesSky 🚨 BREAKING: Thérèse Coffey resigns: "I'm out of options to support the Prime Minister. He routinely deceives viewers on morning television, using me and many others as his mouthpiece, for which I've had enough. With regret, I have submitted my resignation to the Prime Minister." https://twitter.com/2004__harry/status/1544344771245785090
Sadiq Khan for PM, best policy ever from a Labour person.
EXCL: The Metropolitan Police could be split up with national and local policing roles hived off, the Mayor of London has suggested, in an interview with MyLondon
@SamCoatesSky 🚨 BREAKING: Thérèse Coffey resigns: "I'm out of options to support the Prime Minister. He routinely deceives viewers on morning television, using me and many others as his mouthpiece, for which I've had enough. With regret, I have submitted my resignation to the Prime Minister." https://twitter.com/2004__harry/status/1544344771245785090
That's mean. You had me going for a quarter of a second there.
So relentless is the juggernaut of scandal surrounding Boris Johnson that it’s worth remembering that Pinchergate, Treehousegate, Carriegate, Blowjobgate, *and* the disastrous by-election results have all happened in just the last two weeks. https://twitter.com/NicholasPegg/status/1544328314118197249
Blowjobgate? I have a vague idea of what the others are…
Not sure that was promoted to the official designation of a "Gate" status to be fair.
Private Eye had some Ugandian-style details of life in Johnson's FOC office.
@SamCoatesSky 🚨 BREAKING: Thérèse Coffey resigns: "I'm out of options to support the Prime Minister. He routinely deceives viewers on morning television, using me and many others as his mouthpiece, for which I've had enough. With regret, I have submitted my resignation to the Prime Minister." https://twitter.com/2004__harry/status/1544344771245785090
@SamCoatesSky 🚨 BREAKING: Thérèse Coffey resigns: "I'm out of options to support the Prime Minister. He routinely deceives viewers on morning television, using me and many others as his mouthpiece, for which I've had enough. With regret, I have submitted my resignation to the Prime Minister." https://twitter.com/2004__harry/status/1544344771245785090
Finally a minister shows some self respect. It was definitely not the look of love in those shots of cabinet this morning.
@SamCoatesSky 🚨 BREAKING: Thérèse Coffey resigns: "I'm out of options to support the Prime Minister. He routinely deceives viewers on morning television, using me and many others as his mouthpiece, for which I've had enough. With regret, I have submitted my resignation to the Prime Minister." https://twitter.com/2004__harry/status/1544344771245785090
The left field option: Starmer and Raynor are both fined and both resign. Lab leadership contest begins. 'Big Dog' calls snap General Election.
The risk: a spectacular gamble which blows up in the Tories' face as the opposition parties move to ensure only one anti-Tory candidate in each seat. Tories are reduced to a rump/oblivion.
The rewards: secures another 5 years before the economy hits total turdage, preserves own premiership ('Big Dog' is a winner once more), Labour et al not ready for campaign, spikes the Sturge's indyref2 plan B.
It's likely such a move would transgress several conventions, but such trifles do not bother 'Big Dog'. Place bets now...
May called a snap election when she was ahead in the polls and that went badly. Calling a snap election when you are behind in the polls is madness.
Sometimes mad things, especially mad self-confident things, surprisingly pay off.
I'd love for there to be an election and a chance to shove the Tories out. But I'd be nervous the gamble might work too.
Those who believe a snap election is possible, can you offer any precedents? Are there any examples of politicians, in any democracy, choosing to call a snap election while this far behind in the polls? (So, not including sudden elections because a coalition collapses.) What's the worst polling for a PM or equivalent who then called a snap election... and how did they do?
Boris Johnson's track record is of someone who defies precedent.
By the example of precedent we have learnt the rule that divided parties lose elections. Johnson expelled many of his own MPs, exposing the divisions in his party to the country, and won an 80-seat majority.
I'm not saying it's a good idea. I'm not predicting that it will happen. All I'm saying is that you can never be sure with Johnson, and I certainly would be nervous that he might win.
Keir’s is of course the only EU policy in a country still split on Europe. It’s sensible and doesn’t frighten any horses.
I just wish he hadn’t had referred to “Brexit opportunities”, which is an unnecessary kowtowing to delusion.
Well he's not wrong and only echo chamber FBPEs deny there are any opportunities whatsoever.
There are opportunities to be taken from Brexit, the real argument is whether those opportunities are worth the massive upheaval and shock. Since the latter has already happened, may as well press ahead with the former, no point staying still.
We agree, but my point is perhaps a too-subtle-one about what Brexit is and what it delivers.
It’s like a regrettable divorce. It would be a bit mad to talk about “divorce opportunities”, even if, objectively, you can now go on dates.
Keir should generally frame Brexit as “done” and “in the past”, rather than suggesting there is still some better Brexit to be grasped.
@SamCoatesSky 🚨 BREAKING: Thérèse Coffey resigns: "I'm out of options to support the Prime Minister. He routinely deceives viewers on morning television, using me and many others as his mouthpiece, for which I've had enough. With regret, I have submitted my resignation to the Prime Minister." https://twitter.com/2004__harry/status/1544344771245785090
@SamCoatesSky 🚨 BREAKING: Thérèse Coffey resigns: "I'm out of options to support the Prime Minister. He routinely deceives viewers on morning television, using me and many others as his mouthpiece, for which I've had enough. With regret, I have submitted my resignation to the Prime Minister." https://twitter.com/2004__harry/status/1544344771245785090
Is it possible that Brady goes to Boris and says “I now have more letters than 50% by a mile even after giving the opportunity to withdraw and we are changing the rules next Wednesday - giving you the option to walk off now rather than being turfed out in a week” - surely Boris would go at that point?
@SamCoatesSky 🚨 BREAKING: Thérèse Coffey resigns: "I'm out of options to support the Prime Minister. He routinely deceives viewers on morning television, using me and many others as his mouthpiece, for which I've had enough. With regret, I have submitted my resignation to the Prime Minister." https://twitter.com/2004__harry/status/1544344771245785090
Finally a minister shows some self respect. It was definitely not the look of love in those shots of cabinet this morning.
@SamCoatesSky 🚨 BREAKING: Thérèse Coffey resigns: "I'm out of options to support the Prime Minister. He routinely deceives viewers on morning television, using me and many others as his mouthpiece, for which I've had enough. With regret, I have submitted my resignation to the Prime Minister." https://twitter.com/2004__harry/status/1544344771245785090
Chris Curtis @chriscurtis94 · 17m OK guys. I assumed this was such a stupidly moronic insane suggestion, that you would obviously realise I was joking. https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/1544334006883389442 This Tweet was deleted by the Tweet author. Learn more Chris Curtis @chriscurtis94 · 16m My god you have all actually completely lost it. Chris Curtis @chriscurtis94 You see the joke was that they keep briefing stupid stories about the fact there is going to be an election even though it would be insane to have an election. And after today it would obviously be more insane. 4:05 PM · Jul 5, 2022 from City of London, London·Twitter for Android 20 Likes
Chris Curtis @chriscurtis94 · 10m Replying to @chriscurtis94 No really, he isn't going to call an election, and people that day otherwise are talking crap. Even if he tried to call an election, the cabinet won't let him have an election. The idea is completely bananas. I thought this was assumed. Chris Curtis @chriscurtis94 · 5m If he calls an election in the next week I will run down Whitehall in my underwear as the exit poll is being released. It isn't going to happen.
Dunno who Curtis is but never seen a clearer illustration that explaining equals losing
Nah - he’s not explaining.
He thought he had a scoop but people were taking the piss. He’s now back-pedalling as fast as he can with the old “ha ha it was a joke” line
@SamCoatesSky 🚨 BREAKING: Thérèse Coffey resigns: "I'm out of options to support the Prime Minister. He routinely deceives viewers on morning television, using me and many others as his mouthpiece, for which I've had enough. With regret, I have submitted my resignation to the Prime Minister." https://twitter.com/2004__harry/status/1544344771245785090
Finally a minister shows some self respect. It was definitely not the look of love in those shots of cabinet this morning.
It's a silly fake news story. I think
It is quite obviously fake news. A member of Boris Johnson's Cabinet showing even a milligram of decency or self-respect? Nah.
As we wait for Boris to do the honourable thing....
the UAP/UFO story rumbles on, as mystifying as ever
"In April 2014, four naval aviators narrowly escaped disaster. Just as they entered highly controlled airspace for a training exercise, their two F/A-18F fighter jets nearly collided with an unidentified flying object (UFO). To the frustration of dozens of their fellow aviators, such a near-catastrophe was inevitable.
"For months before and after the incident, aircrews flying in “exclusive use” training areas off the U.S. East Coast frequently observed unknown objects exhibiting highly anomalous flight characteristics. Despite the collision hazard posed by the UFOs, aviators lacked a formal mechanism to report the mysterious objects."
You believe in UFOs and you believe in Brexit. In Ireland there are "little people" that if you catch one they will give you a wish. In Cornwall they have similar folk. Also I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
You, Sir, are the leaking rectum of a louse
Hehe, fair play, a most excellent insult. I shall not try to respond. That was an unplayable ace!
You're welcome, and thankyou for the compliment
On a more serious note, there really is, still, a UFO story that needs to be addressed, inasmuch as, if you refuse to believe in UFOs (and fair enough, the evidence is weak), then you have to explain why the American Establishment is behaving so oddly
This video is REALLY worth watching, as it threads that argument together
It will take 5 minutes of your time. At the end you have to ask: why are these senior people saying these strange things
In particular look out for minute 2:40 and minute 3:10. In the first one the ex Director of the CIA looks absolutely tortured, and agonised, as he says these things could be "other forms of life". In the second the Director of National Intelligence struggles to say the word "extra terrestrial" as she admits these might be "extra terrestrials"
Why are they tortured and struggling? Is it because they are part of some grand conspiracy to hoodwink the Chinese and it makes them unhappy? Have these top people simply gone mad? Are they acting? One explanation is that they genuinely think these might be extra terrestrials but the idea is so, er, alien, they find it hard to say
Let me know your thoughts
My scientific training causes me to be open minded, but evidence based. I am also sceptical about people who want to believe in something where all the evidence suggests that something does not exist. I am not saying UFOs cannot exist, it is just that it is massively unlikely. The balance of probability is that it is all nonsense. I will take a look at it later, but must do some work. I will also think of a similarly amusing insult for you at a later date!
I am explicitly saying it is probably not "aliens"
If it is aliens where are the 1000s of photos and videos? We all have smartphones. It doesn't add up. I don't believe Will Smith is going round erasing the memories and phones of millions of witnesses
But that leaves us with the mystery of American behaviour. All these top people, from Obama down, saying this weird shit. And some of them saying it with anguished body language, which suggests something going on under the surface
Where are the photos? Is not a slam dunk argument.
Take a bird like the snipe. Little brown fuckers, not rare, really difficult to shoot because they stay low and jink, hence why snipers are called snipers. If their existence were called in question it would be as difficult to prove it by photos as it is to shoot them
Exhibit b is big cats in Devon and Cornwall. Nobody serious disputes they are out there but no decent focused photos. It's harder than it looks
Interesting
Yet those US pilots report being buzzed by these UFOS every day for two years. And the UFOs are not tiny birds, these are considerable "aircraft" that attain great speed and show advanced maneuverability. So they must be easily visible to the naked eye
So where are the videos and photos of these? I'd whip my bloody iPhone out, sharpish
The whole thing is deeply confounding. I've thought about it hard and I can't find one easy single explanation
I can - lies
Who is lying, and why?
Now THAT is the right question.
Seriously - if US pilots are seeing these things all the time, presumably there is headcam footage? Or cockpit footage? Nope? Then I have to ask why. See also millions of airline passengers over the last 20 years with cameras on their phones - did none of them see these UFO's?
So... you have no answer or theory. OK
In science theories (or perhaps more accurately hypotheses) are built up from observational evidence and data collection. Until such times as you or other 'Alien' advocates can provide such observational evidence there is nothing upon which to construct a theory.
If you want to see someone doing a good job of debunking many of these UFO stories then try reading the Skeptoid Blog. The latest one on the Chilean Navy UFO case is a good example.
I know all about the Chilean UFO story, I have read the entire works of Mick West. Do keep up
Moving on swiftly: Joe Rogan has a new theory (and his opinion is as good as any, as he has interviewed everyone in this story) the USG has an incredible new drone technology, which they want to keep secret, and this whole Flap is an attempt to smokescreen that
That's not a bad theory. It explains a few things - like the anguished behaviour of the CIA director and the DNI woman, they are either acting the anguish, or really anguished by their own lies
It also fits with previous US behaviour
However it doesn't fit with the evidence going back decades, and would an ex president like Obama really join in with this? Hmm
As we wait for Boris to do the honourable thing....
the UAP/UFO story rumbles on, as mystifying as ever
"In April 2014, four naval aviators narrowly escaped disaster. Just as they entered highly controlled airspace for a training exercise, their two F/A-18F fighter jets nearly collided with an unidentified flying object (UFO). To the frustration of dozens of their fellow aviators, such a near-catastrophe was inevitable.
"For months before and after the incident, aircrews flying in “exclusive use” training areas off the U.S. East Coast frequently observed unknown objects exhibiting highly anomalous flight characteristics. Despite the collision hazard posed by the UFOs, aviators lacked a formal mechanism to report the mysterious objects."
You believe in UFOs and you believe in Brexit. In Ireland there are "little people" that if you catch one they will give you a wish. In Cornwall they have similar folk. Also I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
You, Sir, are the leaking rectum of a louse
Hehe, fair play, a most excellent insult. I shall not try to respond. That was an unplayable ace!
You're welcome, and thankyou for the compliment
On a more serious note, there really is, still, a UFO story that needs to be addressed, inasmuch as, if you refuse to believe in UFOs (and fair enough, the evidence is weak), then you have to explain why the American Establishment is behaving so oddly
This video is REALLY worth watching, as it threads that argument together
It will take 5 minutes of your time. At the end you have to ask: why are these senior people saying these strange things
In particular look out for minute 2:40 and minute 3:10. In the first one the ex Director of the CIA looks absolutely tortured, and agonised, as he says these things could be "other forms of life". In the second the Director of National Intelligence struggles to say the word "extra terrestrial" as she admits these might be "extra terrestrials"
Why are they tortured and struggling? Is it because they are part of some grand conspiracy to hoodwink the Chinese and it makes them unhappy? Have these top people simply gone mad? Are they acting? One explanation is that they genuinely think these might be extra terrestrials but the idea is so, er, alien, they find it hard to say
Let me know your thoughts
My scientific training causes me to be open minded, but evidence based. I am also sceptical about people who want to believe in something where all the evidence suggests that something does not exist. I am not saying UFOs cannot exist, it is just that it is massively unlikely. The balance of probability is that it is all nonsense. I will take a look at it later, but must do some work. I will also think of a similarly amusing insult for you at a later date!
I am explicitly saying it is probably not "aliens"
If it is aliens where are the 1000s of photos and videos? We all have smartphones. It doesn't add up. I don't believe Will Smith is going round erasing the memories and phones of millions of witnesses
But that leaves us with the mystery of American behaviour. All these top people, from Obama down, saying this weird shit. And some of them saying it with anguished body language, which suggests something going on under the surface
Where are the photos? Is not a slam dunk argument.
Take a bird like the snipe. Little brown fuckers, not rare, really difficult to shoot because they stay low and jink, hence why snipers are called snipers. If their existence were called in question it would be as difficult to prove it by photos as it is to shoot them
Exhibit b is big cats in Devon and Cornwall. Nobody serious disputes they are out there but no decent focused photos. It's harder than it looks
Interesting
Yet those US pilots report being buzzed by these UFOS every day for two years. And the UFOs are not tiny birds, these are considerable "aircraft" that attain great speed and show advanced maneuverability. So they must be easily visible to the naked eye
So where are the videos and photos of these? I'd whip my bloody iPhone out, sharpish
The whole thing is deeply confounding. I've thought about it hard and I can't find one easy single explanation
I can - lies
Who is lying, and why?
Now THAT is the right question.
Seriously - if US pilots are seeing these things all the time, presumably there is headcam footage? Or cockpit footage? Nope? Then I have to ask why. See also millions of airline passengers over the last 20 years with cameras on their phones - did none of them see these UFO's?
So... you have no answer or theory. OK
In science theories (or perhaps more accurately hypotheses) are built up from observational evidence and data collection. Until such times as you or other 'Alien' advocates can provide such observational evidence there is nothing upon which to construct a theory.
If you want to see someone doing a good job of debunking many of these UFO stories then try reading the Skeptoid Blog. The latest one on the Chilean Navy UFO case is a good example.
This isn't correct - theories are just guesses. A good theory fits the known evidence and makes predictions that can be tested. Theories are not built up in the way you suggest.
See below for a good example - I suggest a theory, and it's immediately shot down. A chap called Popper had rather too much to say on such things!
Wrong. What you are referring to are hypotheses. And I am well aware of Popper and what he had to say about these things.
There is a clear difference between hypothesis and theory in science. A theory is definitely not just 'a guess'.
Is it possible that Brady goes to Boris and says “I now have more letters than 50% by a mile even after giving the opportunity to withdraw and we are changing the rules next Wednesday - giving you the option to walk off now rather than being turfed out in a week” - surely Boris would go at that point?
Nope. He would think something would turn up. Maybe Putin drops a tactical nuke or some such.
Is it possible that Brady goes to Boris and says “I now have more letters than 50% by a mile even after giving the opportunity to withdraw and we are changing the rules next Wednesday - giving you the option to walk off now rather than being turfed out in a week” - surely Boris would go at that point?
@SamCoatesSky 🚨 BREAKING: Thérèse Coffey resigns: "I'm out of options to support the Prime Minister. He routinely deceives viewers on morning television, using me and many others as his mouthpiece, for which I've had enough. With regret, I have submitted my resignation to the Prime Minister." https://twitter.com/2004__harry/status/1544344771245785090
Twitter Glenn Campbell@GlennBBC·57m “The Lord Advocate does not have the necessary degree of confidence”
Scotland’s top law officer, Lord Advocate Dorothy Bain confirms she would not be able to “clear” a statement of legal competence for #indyref2 bill, without reference to @UKSupremeCourt
Same here in Corfu. Well probably. Local thermometer not that reliable.
If several of the recent model runs are to be believed (including today's latest GFS run) we'll be hitting 39 or 40C in the UK sometime in the next 2 weeks, and mid 40s in France.
GFS to be believed 10 days out? Probably not. But the potential is obviously there.
40C is definitely in the range of possibilities if everything lines up.
Lol. Mind you, the only time I've come near to having heat stroke was in Scotland...
It actually has 41C for the following day in the south, but that's even less believable.
Over 35C is a serious health problem though.
Much UK large refrigeration plant is not designed to work above 35 C. If temperatures are significantly above that, it could be worrying for operators for cold stores, such as supermarket chains. 40 C and no ice cream doesn’t sound much fun.
As we wait for Boris to do the honourable thing....
the UAP/UFO story rumbles on, as mystifying as ever
"In April 2014, four naval aviators narrowly escaped disaster. Just as they entered highly controlled airspace for a training exercise, their two F/A-18F fighter jets nearly collided with an unidentified flying object (UFO). To the frustration of dozens of their fellow aviators, such a near-catastrophe was inevitable.
"For months before and after the incident, aircrews flying in “exclusive use” training areas off the U.S. East Coast frequently observed unknown objects exhibiting highly anomalous flight characteristics. Despite the collision hazard posed by the UFOs, aviators lacked a formal mechanism to report the mysterious objects."
You believe in UFOs and you believe in Brexit. In Ireland there are "little people" that if you catch one they will give you a wish. In Cornwall they have similar folk. Also I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
You, Sir, are the leaking rectum of a louse
Hehe, fair play, a most excellent insult. I shall not try to respond. That was an unplayable ace!
You're welcome, and thankyou for the compliment
On a more serious note, there really is, still, a UFO story that needs to be addressed, inasmuch as, if you refuse to believe in UFOs (and fair enough, the evidence is weak), then you have to explain why the American Establishment is behaving so oddly
This video is REALLY worth watching, as it threads that argument together
It will take 5 minutes of your time. At the end you have to ask: why are these senior people saying these strange things
In particular look out for minute 2:40 and minute 3:10. In the first one the ex Director of the CIA looks absolutely tortured, and agonised, as he says these things could be "other forms of life". In the second the Director of National Intelligence struggles to say the word "extra terrestrial" as she admits these might be "extra terrestrials"
Why are they tortured and struggling? Is it because they are part of some grand conspiracy to hoodwink the Chinese and it makes them unhappy? Have these top people simply gone mad? Are they acting? One explanation is that they genuinely think these might be extra terrestrials but the idea is so, er, alien, they find it hard to say
Let me know your thoughts
My scientific training causes me to be open minded, but evidence based. I am also sceptical about people who want to believe in something where all the evidence suggests that something does not exist. I am not saying UFOs cannot exist, it is just that it is massively unlikely. The balance of probability is that it is all nonsense. I will take a look at it later, but must do some work. I will also think of a similarly amusing insult for you at a later date!
I am explicitly saying it is probably not "aliens"
If it is aliens where are the 1000s of photos and videos? We all have smartphones. It doesn't add up. I don't believe Will Smith is going round erasing the memories and phones of millions of witnesses
But that leaves us with the mystery of American behaviour. All these top people, from Obama down, saying this weird shit. And some of them saying it with anguished body language, which suggests something going on under the surface
Where are the photos? Is not a slam dunk argument.
Take a bird like the snipe. Little brown fuckers, not rare, really difficult to shoot because they stay low and jink, hence why snipers are called snipers. If their existence were called in question it would be as difficult to prove it by photos as it is to shoot them
Exhibit b is big cats in Devon and Cornwall. Nobody serious disputes they are out there but no decent focused photos. It's harder than it looks
Interesting
Yet those US pilots report being buzzed by these UFOS every day for two years. And the UFOs are not tiny birds, these are considerable "aircraft" that attain great speed and show advanced maneuverability. So they must be easily visible to the naked eye
So where are the videos and photos of these? I'd whip my bloody iPhone out, sharpish
The whole thing is deeply confounding. I've thought about it hard and I can't find one easy single explanation
I can - lies
Who is lying, and why?
Now THAT is the right question.
Seriously - if US pilots are seeing these things all the time, presumably there is headcam footage? Or cockpit footage? Nope? Then I have to ask why. See also millions of airline passengers over the last 20 years with cameras on their phones - did none of them see these UFO's?
So... you have no answer or theory. OK
In science theories (or perhaps more accurately hypotheses) are built up from observational evidence and data collection. Until such times as you or other 'Alien' advocates can provide such observational evidence there is nothing upon which to construct a theory.
If you want to see someone doing a good job of debunking many of these UFO stories then try reading the Skeptoid Blog. The latest one on the Chilean Navy UFO case is a good example.
This isn't correct - theories are just guesses. A good theory fits the known evidence and makes predictions that can be tested. Theories are not built up in the way you suggest.
See below for a good example - I suggest a theory, and it's immediately shot down. A chap called Popper had rather too much to say on such things!
Wrong. What you are referring to are hypotheses. And I am well aware of Popper and what he had to say about these things.
There is a clear difference between hypothesis and theory in science. A theory is definitely not just 'a guess'.
Happy to be called wrong if you explain the 'clear difference' between a hypothesis and a theory.
As we wait for Boris to do the honourable thing....
the UAP/UFO story rumbles on, as mystifying as ever
"In April 2014, four naval aviators narrowly escaped disaster. Just as they entered highly controlled airspace for a training exercise, their two F/A-18F fighter jets nearly collided with an unidentified flying object (UFO). To the frustration of dozens of their fellow aviators, such a near-catastrophe was inevitable.
"For months before and after the incident, aircrews flying in “exclusive use” training areas off the U.S. East Coast frequently observed unknown objects exhibiting highly anomalous flight characteristics. Despite the collision hazard posed by the UFOs, aviators lacked a formal mechanism to report the mysterious objects."
You believe in UFOs and you believe in Brexit. In Ireland there are "little people" that if you catch one they will give you a wish. In Cornwall they have similar folk. Also I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
You, Sir, are the leaking rectum of a louse
Hehe, fair play, a most excellent insult. I shall not try to respond. That was an unplayable ace!
You're welcome, and thankyou for the compliment
On a more serious note, there really is, still, a UFO story that needs to be addressed, inasmuch as, if you refuse to believe in UFOs (and fair enough, the evidence is weak), then you have to explain why the American Establishment is behaving so oddly
This video is REALLY worth watching, as it threads that argument together
It will take 5 minutes of your time. At the end you have to ask: why are these senior people saying these strange things
In particular look out for minute 2:40 and minute 3:10. In the first one the ex Director of the CIA looks absolutely tortured, and agonised, as he says these things could be "other forms of life". In the second the Director of National Intelligence struggles to say the word "extra terrestrial" as she admits these might be "extra terrestrials"
Why are they tortured and struggling? Is it because they are part of some grand conspiracy to hoodwink the Chinese and it makes them unhappy? Have these top people simply gone mad? Are they acting? One explanation is that they genuinely think these might be extra terrestrials but the idea is so, er, alien, they find it hard to say
Let me know your thoughts
My scientific training causes me to be open minded, but evidence based. I am also sceptical about people who want to believe in something where all the evidence suggests that something does not exist. I am not saying UFOs cannot exist, it is just that it is massively unlikely. The balance of probability is that it is all nonsense. I will take a look at it later, but must do some work. I will also think of a similarly amusing insult for you at a later date!
I am explicitly saying it is probably not "aliens"
If it is aliens where are the 1000s of photos and videos? We all have smartphones. It doesn't add up. I don't believe Will Smith is going round erasing the memories and phones of millions of witnesses
But that leaves us with the mystery of American behaviour. All these top people, from Obama down, saying this weird shit. And some of them saying it with anguished body language, which suggests something going on under the surface
Where are the photos? Is not a slam dunk argument.
Take a bird like the snipe. Little brown fuckers, not rare, really difficult to shoot because they stay low and jink, hence why snipers are called snipers. If their existence were called in question it would be as difficult to prove it by photos as it is to shoot them
Exhibit b is big cats in Devon and Cornwall. Nobody serious disputes they are out there but no decent focused photos. It's harder than it looks
Interesting
Yet those US pilots report being buzzed by these UFOS every day for two years. And the UFOs are not tiny birds, these are considerable "aircraft" that attain great speed and show advanced maneuverability. So they must be easily visible to the naked eye
So where are the videos and photos of these? I'd whip my bloody iPhone out, sharpish
The whole thing is deeply confounding. I've thought about it hard and I can't find one easy single explanation
I can - lies
Who is lying, and why?
Now THAT is the right question.
Seriously - if US pilots are seeing these things all the time, presumably there is headcam footage? Or cockpit footage? Nope? Then I have to ask why. See also millions of airline passengers over the last 20 years with cameras on their phones - did none of them see these UFO's?
So... you have no answer or theory. OK
In science theories (or perhaps more accurately hypotheses) are built up from observational evidence and data collection. Until such times as you or other 'Alien' advocates can provide such observational evidence there is nothing upon which to construct a theory.
If you want to see someone doing a good job of debunking many of these UFO stories then try reading the Skeptoid Blog. The latest one on the Chilean Navy UFO case is a good example.
I know all about the Chilean UFO story, I have read the entire works of Mick West. Do keep up
Moving on swiftly: Joe Rogan has a new theory (and his opinion is as good as any, as he has interviewed everyone in this story) the USG has an incredible new drone technology, which they want to keep secret, and this whole Flap is an attempt to smokescreen that
That's not a bad theory. It explains a few things - like the anguished behaviour of the CIA director and the DNI woman, they are either acting the anguish, or really anguished by their own lies
It also fits with previous US behaviour
However it doesn't fit with the evidence going back decades, and would an ex president like Obama really join in with this? Hmm
Nearly 40m views, Lazar was the contractor who claims to have worked at Area 51 trying to reverse-engineer an alien spacecraft.
Lazar also namechecked Element 115 as the 'power source' in 1989 24 years before its discovery. He claims we were provided with some in stable state by our visitors.
Twitter Glenn Campbell@GlennBBC·57m “The Lord Advocate does not have the necessary degree of confidence”
Scotland’s top law officer, Lord Advocate Dorothy Bain confirms she would not be able to “clear” a statement of legal competence for #indyref2 bill, without reference to @UKSupremeCourt
You and Lady D are missing the point completely. The lack of clarity is the issue. .
The law is clear. The point of all this is for Sturgeon to be seen to be doing something. When the Supreme Court says no, that’s great, another evil English scheme to oppress Scotland.
As we wait for Boris to do the honourable thing....
the UAP/UFO story rumbles on, as mystifying as ever
"In April 2014, four naval aviators narrowly escaped disaster. Just as they entered highly controlled airspace for a training exercise, their two F/A-18F fighter jets nearly collided with an unidentified flying object (UFO). To the frustration of dozens of their fellow aviators, such a near-catastrophe was inevitable.
"For months before and after the incident, aircrews flying in “exclusive use” training areas off the U.S. East Coast frequently observed unknown objects exhibiting highly anomalous flight characteristics. Despite the collision hazard posed by the UFOs, aviators lacked a formal mechanism to report the mysterious objects."
You believe in UFOs and you believe in Brexit. In Ireland there are "little people" that if you catch one they will give you a wish. In Cornwall they have similar folk. Also I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
You, Sir, are the leaking rectum of a louse
Hehe, fair play, a most excellent insult. I shall not try to respond. That was an unplayable ace!
You're welcome, and thankyou for the compliment
On a more serious note, there really is, still, a UFO story that needs to be addressed, inasmuch as, if you refuse to believe in UFOs (and fair enough, the evidence is weak), then you have to explain why the American Establishment is behaving so oddly
This video is REALLY worth watching, as it threads that argument together
It will take 5 minutes of your time. At the end you have to ask: why are these senior people saying these strange things
In particular look out for minute 2:40 and minute 3:10. In the first one the ex Director of the CIA looks absolutely tortured, and agonised, as he says these things could be "other forms of life". In the second the Director of National Intelligence struggles to say the word "extra terrestrial" as she admits these might be "extra terrestrials"
Why are they tortured and struggling? Is it because they are part of some grand conspiracy to hoodwink the Chinese and it makes them unhappy? Have these top people simply gone mad? Are they acting? One explanation is that they genuinely think these might be extra terrestrials but the idea is so, er, alien, they find it hard to say
Let me know your thoughts
My scientific training causes me to be open minded, but evidence based. I am also sceptical about people who want to believe in something where all the evidence suggests that something does not exist. I am not saying UFOs cannot exist, it is just that it is massively unlikely. The balance of probability is that it is all nonsense. I will take a look at it later, but must do some work. I will also think of a similarly amusing insult for you at a later date!
I am explicitly saying it is probably not "aliens"
If it is aliens where are the 1000s of photos and videos? We all have smartphones. It doesn't add up. I don't believe Will Smith is going round erasing the memories and phones of millions of witnesses
But that leaves us with the mystery of American behaviour. All these top people, from Obama down, saying this weird shit. And some of them saying it with anguished body language, which suggests something going on under the surface
Where are the photos? Is not a slam dunk argument.
Take a bird like the snipe. Little brown fuckers, not rare, really difficult to shoot because they stay low and jink, hence why snipers are called snipers. If their existence were called in question it would be as difficult to prove it by photos as it is to shoot them
Exhibit b is big cats in Devon and Cornwall. Nobody serious disputes they are out there but no decent focused photos. It's harder than it looks
Interesting
Yet those US pilots report being buzzed by these UFOS every day for two years. And the UFOs are not tiny birds, these are considerable "aircraft" that attain great speed and show advanced maneuverability. So they must be easily visible to the naked eye
So where are the videos and photos of these? I'd whip my bloody iPhone out, sharpish
The whole thing is deeply confounding. I've thought about it hard and I can't find one easy single explanation
I can - lies
Who is lying, and why?
Now THAT is the right question.
Seriously - if US pilots are seeing these things all the time, presumably there is headcam footage? Or cockpit footage? Nope? Then I have to ask why. See also millions of airline passengers over the last 20 years with cameras on their phones - did none of them see these UFO's?
So... you have no answer or theory. OK
In science theories (or perhaps more accurately hypotheses) are built up from observational evidence and data collection. Until such times as you or other 'Alien' advocates can provide such observational evidence there is nothing upon which to construct a theory.
If you want to see someone doing a good job of debunking many of these UFO stories then try reading the Skeptoid Blog. The latest one on the Chilean Navy UFO case is a good example.
This isn't correct - theories are just guesses. A good theory fits the known evidence and makes predictions that can be tested. Theories are not built up in the way you suggest.
See below for a good example - I suggest a theory, and it's immediately shot down. A chap called Popper had rather too much to say on such things!
Wrong. What you are referring to are hypotheses. And I am well aware of Popper and what he had to say about these things.
There is a clear difference between hypothesis and theory in science. A theory is definitely not just 'a guess'.
Happy to be called wrong if you explain the 'clear difference' between a hypothesis and a theory.
As we wait for Boris to do the honourable thing....
the UAP/UFO story rumbles on, as mystifying as ever
"In April 2014, four naval aviators narrowly escaped disaster. Just as they entered highly controlled airspace for a training exercise, their two F/A-18F fighter jets nearly collided with an unidentified flying object (UFO). To the frustration of dozens of their fellow aviators, such a near-catastrophe was inevitable.
"For months before and after the incident, aircrews flying in “exclusive use” training areas off the U.S. East Coast frequently observed unknown objects exhibiting highly anomalous flight characteristics. Despite the collision hazard posed by the UFOs, aviators lacked a formal mechanism to report the mysterious objects."
You believe in UFOs and you believe in Brexit. In Ireland there are "little people" that if you catch one they will give you a wish. In Cornwall they have similar folk. Also I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
You, Sir, are the leaking rectum of a louse
Hehe, fair play, a most excellent insult. I shall not try to respond. That was an unplayable ace!
You're welcome, and thankyou for the compliment
On a more serious note, there really is, still, a UFO story that needs to be addressed, inasmuch as, if you refuse to believe in UFOs (and fair enough, the evidence is weak), then you have to explain why the American Establishment is behaving so oddly
This video is REALLY worth watching, as it threads that argument together
It will take 5 minutes of your time. At the end you have to ask: why are these senior people saying these strange things
In particular look out for minute 2:40 and minute 3:10. In the first one the ex Director of the CIA looks absolutely tortured, and agonised, as he says these things could be "other forms of life". In the second the Director of National Intelligence struggles to say the word "extra terrestrial" as she admits these might be "extra terrestrials"
Why are they tortured and struggling? Is it because they are part of some grand conspiracy to hoodwink the Chinese and it makes them unhappy? Have these top people simply gone mad? Are they acting? One explanation is that they genuinely think these might be extra terrestrials but the idea is so, er, alien, they find it hard to say
Let me know your thoughts
My scientific training causes me to be open minded, but evidence based. I am also sceptical about people who want to believe in something where all the evidence suggests that something does not exist. I am not saying UFOs cannot exist, it is just that it is massively unlikely. The balance of probability is that it is all nonsense. I will take a look at it later, but must do some work. I will also think of a similarly amusing insult for you at a later date!
I am explicitly saying it is probably not "aliens"
If it is aliens where are the 1000s of photos and videos? We all have smartphones. It doesn't add up. I don't believe Will Smith is going round erasing the memories and phones of millions of witnesses
But that leaves us with the mystery of American behaviour. All these top people, from Obama down, saying this weird shit. And some of them saying it with anguished body language, which suggests something going on under the surface
Where are the photos? Is not a slam dunk argument.
Take a bird like the snipe. Little brown fuckers, not rare, really difficult to shoot because they stay low and jink, hence why snipers are called snipers. If their existence were called in question it would be as difficult to prove it by photos as it is to shoot them
Exhibit b is big cats in Devon and Cornwall. Nobody serious disputes they are out there but no decent focused photos. It's harder than it looks
Interesting
Yet those US pilots report being buzzed by these UFOS every day for two years. And the UFOs are not tiny birds, these are considerable "aircraft" that attain great speed and show advanced maneuverability. So they must be easily visible to the naked eye
So where are the videos and photos of these? I'd whip my bloody iPhone out, sharpish
The whole thing is deeply confounding. I've thought about it hard and I can't find one easy single explanation
I can - lies
Who is lying, and why?
Now THAT is the right question.
Seriously - if US pilots are seeing these things all the time, presumably there is headcam footage? Or cockpit footage? Nope? Then I have to ask why. See also millions of airline passengers over the last 20 years with cameras on their phones - did none of them see these UFO's?
So... you have no answer or theory. OK
In science theories (or perhaps more accurately hypotheses) are built up from observational evidence and data collection. Until such times as you or other 'Alien' advocates can provide such observational evidence there is nothing upon which to construct a theory.
If you want to see someone doing a good job of debunking many of these UFO stories then try reading the Skeptoid Blog. The latest one on the Chilean Navy UFO case is a good example.
This isn't correct - theories are just guesses. A good theory fits the known evidence and makes predictions that can be tested. Theories are not built up in the way you suggest.
See below for a good example - I suggest a theory, and it's immediately shot down. A chap called Popper had rather too much to say on such things!
Wrong. What you are referring to are hypotheses. And I am well aware of Popper and what he had to say about these things.
There is a clear difference between hypothesis and theory in science. A theory is definitely not just 'a guess'.
Happy to be called wrong if you explain the 'clear difference' between a hypothesis and a theory.
Gravity says hello.
I always liked it, in that it's kept me grounded.
(Was actually asking @Richard_Tyndall a serious question though)
As we wait for Boris to do the honourable thing....
the UAP/UFO story rumbles on, as mystifying as ever
"In April 2014, four naval aviators narrowly escaped disaster. Just as they entered highly controlled airspace for a training exercise, their two F/A-18F fighter jets nearly collided with an unidentified flying object (UFO). To the frustration of dozens of their fellow aviators, such a near-catastrophe was inevitable.
"For months before and after the incident, aircrews flying in “exclusive use” training areas off the U.S. East Coast frequently observed unknown objects exhibiting highly anomalous flight characteristics. Despite the collision hazard posed by the UFOs, aviators lacked a formal mechanism to report the mysterious objects."
You believe in UFOs and you believe in Brexit. In Ireland there are "little people" that if you catch one they will give you a wish. In Cornwall they have similar folk. Also I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
You, Sir, are the leaking rectum of a louse
Hehe, fair play, a most excellent insult. I shall not try to respond. That was an unplayable ace!
You're welcome, and thankyou for the compliment
On a more serious note, there really is, still, a UFO story that needs to be addressed, inasmuch as, if you refuse to believe in UFOs (and fair enough, the evidence is weak), then you have to explain why the American Establishment is behaving so oddly
This video is REALLY worth watching, as it threads that argument together
It will take 5 minutes of your time. At the end you have to ask: why are these senior people saying these strange things
In particular look out for minute 2:40 and minute 3:10. In the first one the ex Director of the CIA looks absolutely tortured, and agonised, as he says these things could be "other forms of life". In the second the Director of National Intelligence struggles to say the word "extra terrestrial" as she admits these might be "extra terrestrials"
Why are they tortured and struggling? Is it because they are part of some grand conspiracy to hoodwink the Chinese and it makes them unhappy? Have these top people simply gone mad? Are they acting? One explanation is that they genuinely think these might be extra terrestrials but the idea is so, er, alien, they find it hard to say
Let me know your thoughts
My scientific training causes me to be open minded, but evidence based. I am also sceptical about people who want to believe in something where all the evidence suggests that something does not exist. I am not saying UFOs cannot exist, it is just that it is massively unlikely. The balance of probability is that it is all nonsense. I will take a look at it later, but must do some work. I will also think of a similarly amusing insult for you at a later date!
I am explicitly saying it is probably not "aliens"
If it is aliens where are the 1000s of photos and videos? We all have smartphones. It doesn't add up. I don't believe Will Smith is going round erasing the memories and phones of millions of witnesses
But that leaves us with the mystery of American behaviour. All these top people, from Obama down, saying this weird shit. And some of them saying it with anguished body language, which suggests something going on under the surface
Where are the photos? Is not a slam dunk argument.
Take a bird like the snipe. Little brown fuckers, not rare, really difficult to shoot because they stay low and jink, hence why snipers are called snipers. If their existence were called in question it would be as difficult to prove it by photos as it is to shoot them
Exhibit b is big cats in Devon and Cornwall. Nobody serious disputes they are out there but no decent focused photos. It's harder than it looks
Interesting
Yet those US pilots report being buzzed by these UFOS every day for two years. And the UFOs are not tiny birds, these are considerable "aircraft" that attain great speed and show advanced maneuverability. So they must be easily visible to the naked eye
So where are the videos and photos of these? I'd whip my bloody iPhone out, sharpish
The whole thing is deeply confounding. I've thought about it hard and I can't find one easy single explanation
I can - lies
Who is lying, and why?
Now THAT is the right question.
Seriously - if US pilots are seeing these things all the time, presumably there is headcam footage? Or cockpit footage? Nope? Then I have to ask why. See also millions of airline passengers over the last 20 years with cameras on their phones - did none of them see these UFO's?
So... you have no answer or theory. OK
In science theories (or perhaps more accurately hypotheses) are built up from observational evidence and data collection. Until such times as you or other 'Alien' advocates can provide such observational evidence there is nothing upon which to construct a theory.
If you want to see someone doing a good job of debunking many of these UFO stories then try reading the Skeptoid Blog. The latest one on the Chilean Navy UFO case is a good example.
I know all about the Chilean UFO story, I have read the entire works of Mick West. Do keep up
Moving on swiftly: Joe Rogan has a new theory (and his opinion is as good as any, as he has interviewed everyone in this story) the USG has an incredible new drone technology, which they want to keep secret, and this whole Flap is an attempt to smokescreen that
That's not a bad theory. It explains a few things - like the anguished behaviour of the CIA director and the DNI woman, they are either acting the anguish, or really anguished by their own lies
It also fits with previous US behaviour
However it doesn't fit with the evidence going back decades, and would an ex president like Obama really join in with this? Hmm
Nearly 40m views, Lazar was the contractor who claims to have worked at Area 51 trying to reverse-engineer an alien spacecraft.
Lazar also namechecked Element 115 as the 'power source' in 1989 24 years before its discovery. He claims we were provided with some in stable state by our visitors.
Moscovium? the one where the most stable isotope has a half-life of half a second?
They must have been carrying a really, really big chunk of the stuff.....
As we wait for Boris to do the honourable thing....
the UAP/UFO story rumbles on, as mystifying as ever
"In April 2014, four naval aviators narrowly escaped disaster. Just as they entered highly controlled airspace for a training exercise, their two F/A-18F fighter jets nearly collided with an unidentified flying object (UFO). To the frustration of dozens of their fellow aviators, such a near-catastrophe was inevitable.
"For months before and after the incident, aircrews flying in “exclusive use” training areas off the U.S. East Coast frequently observed unknown objects exhibiting highly anomalous flight characteristics. Despite the collision hazard posed by the UFOs, aviators lacked a formal mechanism to report the mysterious objects."
You believe in UFOs and you believe in Brexit. In Ireland there are "little people" that if you catch one they will give you a wish. In Cornwall they have similar folk. Also I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
You, Sir, are the leaking rectum of a louse
Hehe, fair play, a most excellent insult. I shall not try to respond. That was an unplayable ace!
You're welcome, and thankyou for the compliment
On a more serious note, there really is, still, a UFO story that needs to be addressed, inasmuch as, if you refuse to believe in UFOs (and fair enough, the evidence is weak), then you have to explain why the American Establishment is behaving so oddly
This video is REALLY worth watching, as it threads that argument together
It will take 5 minutes of your time. At the end you have to ask: why are these senior people saying these strange things
In particular look out for minute 2:40 and minute 3:10. In the first one the ex Director of the CIA looks absolutely tortured, and agonised, as he says these things could be "other forms of life". In the second the Director of National Intelligence struggles to say the word "extra terrestrial" as she admits these might be "extra terrestrials"
Why are they tortured and struggling? Is it because they are part of some grand conspiracy to hoodwink the Chinese and it makes them unhappy? Have these top people simply gone mad? Are they acting? One explanation is that they genuinely think these might be extra terrestrials but the idea is so, er, alien, they find it hard to say
Let me know your thoughts
My scientific training causes me to be open minded, but evidence based. I am also sceptical about people who want to believe in something where all the evidence suggests that something does not exist. I am not saying UFOs cannot exist, it is just that it is massively unlikely. The balance of probability is that it is all nonsense. I will take a look at it later, but must do some work. I will also think of a similarly amusing insult for you at a later date!
I am explicitly saying it is probably not "aliens"
If it is aliens where are the 1000s of photos and videos? We all have smartphones. It doesn't add up. I don't believe Will Smith is going round erasing the memories and phones of millions of witnesses
But that leaves us with the mystery of American behaviour. All these top people, from Obama down, saying this weird shit. And some of them saying it with anguished body language, which suggests something going on under the surface
Where are the photos? Is not a slam dunk argument.
Take a bird like the snipe. Little brown fuckers, not rare, really difficult to shoot because they stay low and jink, hence why snipers are called snipers. If their existence were called in question it would be as difficult to prove it by photos as it is to shoot them
Exhibit b is big cats in Devon and Cornwall. Nobody serious disputes they are out there but no decent focused photos. It's harder than it looks
Interesting
Yet those US pilots report being buzzed by these UFOS every day for two years. And the UFOs are not tiny birds, these are considerable "aircraft" that attain great speed and show advanced maneuverability. So they must be easily visible to the naked eye
So where are the videos and photos of these? I'd whip my bloody iPhone out, sharpish
The whole thing is deeply confounding. I've thought about it hard and I can't find one easy single explanation
I can - lies
Who is lying, and why?
Now THAT is the right question.
Seriously - if US pilots are seeing these things all the time, presumably there is headcam footage? Or cockpit footage? Nope? Then I have to ask why. See also millions of airline passengers over the last 20 years with cameras on their phones - did none of them see these UFO's?
So... you have no answer or theory. OK
In science theories (or perhaps more accurately hypotheses) are built up from observational evidence and data collection. Until such times as you or other 'Alien' advocates can provide such observational evidence there is nothing upon which to construct a theory.
If you want to see someone doing a good job of debunking many of these UFO stories then try reading the Skeptoid Blog. The latest one on the Chilean Navy UFO case is a good example.
I know all about the Chilean UFO story, I have read the entire works of Mick West. Do keep up
Moving on swiftly: Joe Rogan has a new theory (and his opinion is as good as any, as he has interviewed everyone in this story) the USG has an incredible new drone technology, which they want to keep secret, and this whole Flap is an attempt to smokescreen that
That's not a bad theory. It explains a few things - like the anguished behaviour of the CIA director and the DNI woman, they are either acting the anguish, or really anguished by their own lies
It also fits with previous US behaviour
However it doesn't fit with the evidence going back decades, and would an ex president like Obama really join in with this? Hmm
Nearly 40m views, Lazar was the contractor who claims to have worked at Area 51 trying to reverse-engineer an alien spacecraft.
Lazar also namechecked Element 115 as the 'power source' in 1989 24 years before its discovery. He claims we were provided with some in stable state by our visitors.
Moscovium? the one where the most stable isotope has a half-life of half a second?
They must have been carrying a really, really big chunk of the stuff.....
Thats the claim yes, element 115. Like i said, he was claiming this 24 years before Moscovium was discovered.
As we wait for Boris to do the honourable thing....
the UAP/UFO story rumbles on, as mystifying as ever
"In April 2014, four naval aviators narrowly escaped disaster. Just as they entered highly controlled airspace for a training exercise, their two F/A-18F fighter jets nearly collided with an unidentified flying object (UFO). To the frustration of dozens of their fellow aviators, such a near-catastrophe was inevitable.
"For months before and after the incident, aircrews flying in “exclusive use” training areas off the U.S. East Coast frequently observed unknown objects exhibiting highly anomalous flight characteristics. Despite the collision hazard posed by the UFOs, aviators lacked a formal mechanism to report the mysterious objects."
You believe in UFOs and you believe in Brexit. In Ireland there are "little people" that if you catch one they will give you a wish. In Cornwall they have similar folk. Also I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
You, Sir, are the leaking rectum of a louse
Hehe, fair play, a most excellent insult. I shall not try to respond. That was an unplayable ace!
You're welcome, and thankyou for the compliment
On a more serious note, there really is, still, a UFO story that needs to be addressed, inasmuch as, if you refuse to believe in UFOs (and fair enough, the evidence is weak), then you have to explain why the American Establishment is behaving so oddly
This video is REALLY worth watching, as it threads that argument together
It will take 5 minutes of your time. At the end you have to ask: why are these senior people saying these strange things
In particular look out for minute 2:40 and minute 3:10. In the first one the ex Director of the CIA looks absolutely tortured, and agonised, as he says these things could be "other forms of life". In the second the Director of National Intelligence struggles to say the word "extra terrestrial" as she admits these might be "extra terrestrials"
Why are they tortured and struggling? Is it because they are part of some grand conspiracy to hoodwink the Chinese and it makes them unhappy? Have these top people simply gone mad? Are they acting? One explanation is that they genuinely think these might be extra terrestrials but the idea is so, er, alien, they find it hard to say
Let me know your thoughts
My scientific training causes me to be open minded, but evidence based. I am also sceptical about people who want to believe in something where all the evidence suggests that something does not exist. I am not saying UFOs cannot exist, it is just that it is massively unlikely. The balance of probability is that it is all nonsense. I will take a look at it later, but must do some work. I will also think of a similarly amusing insult for you at a later date!
I am explicitly saying it is probably not "aliens"
If it is aliens where are the 1000s of photos and videos? We all have smartphones. It doesn't add up. I don't believe Will Smith is going round erasing the memories and phones of millions of witnesses
But that leaves us with the mystery of American behaviour. All these top people, from Obama down, saying this weird shit. And some of them saying it with anguished body language, which suggests something going on under the surface
Where are the photos? Is not a slam dunk argument.
Take a bird like the snipe. Little brown fuckers, not rare, really difficult to shoot because they stay low and jink, hence why snipers are called snipers. If their existence were called in question it would be as difficult to prove it by photos as it is to shoot them
Exhibit b is big cats in Devon and Cornwall. Nobody serious disputes they are out there but no decent focused photos. It's harder than it looks
Interesting
Yet those US pilots report being buzzed by these UFOS every day for two years. And the UFOs are not tiny birds, these are considerable "aircraft" that attain great speed and show advanced maneuverability. So they must be easily visible to the naked eye
So where are the videos and photos of these? I'd whip my bloody iPhone out, sharpish
The whole thing is deeply confounding. I've thought about it hard and I can't find one easy single explanation
I can - lies
Who is lying, and why?
Now THAT is the right question.
Seriously - if US pilots are seeing these things all the time, presumably there is headcam footage? Or cockpit footage? Nope? Then I have to ask why. See also millions of airline passengers over the last 20 years with cameras on their phones - did none of them see these UFO's?
So... you have no answer or theory. OK
In science theories (or perhaps more accurately hypotheses) are built up from observational evidence and data collection. Until such times as you or other 'Alien' advocates can provide such observational evidence there is nothing upon which to construct a theory.
If you want to see someone doing a good job of debunking many of these UFO stories then try reading the Skeptoid Blog. The latest one on the Chilean Navy UFO case is a good example.
I know all about the Chilean UFO story, I have read the entire works of Mick West. Do keep up
Moving on swiftly: Joe Rogan has a new theory (and his opinion is as good as any, as he has interviewed everyone in this story) the USG has an incredible new drone technology, which they want to keep secret, and this whole Flap is an attempt to smokescreen that
That's not a bad theory. It explains a few things - like the anguished behaviour of the CIA director and the DNI woman, they are either acting the anguish, or really anguished by their own lies
It also fits with previous US behaviour
However it doesn't fit with the evidence going back decades, and would an ex president like Obama really join in with this? Hmm
Nearly 40m views, Lazar was the contractor who claims to have worked at Area 51 trying to reverse-engineer an alien spacecraft.
Lazar also namechecked Element 115 as the 'power source' in 1989 24 years before its discovery. He claims we were provided with some in stable state by our visitors.
And these are all the elements we know about at Harvard yet There may be many others but they haven't been discarvard yet
What is to stop me predicting the discovery of element I dunno 169 and taking credit when it crops up?
As we wait for Boris to do the honourable thing....
the UAP/UFO story rumbles on, as mystifying as ever
"In April 2014, four naval aviators narrowly escaped disaster. Just as they entered highly controlled airspace for a training exercise, their two F/A-18F fighter jets nearly collided with an unidentified flying object (UFO). To the frustration of dozens of their fellow aviators, such a near-catastrophe was inevitable.
"For months before and after the incident, aircrews flying in “exclusive use” training areas off the U.S. East Coast frequently observed unknown objects exhibiting highly anomalous flight characteristics. Despite the collision hazard posed by the UFOs, aviators lacked a formal mechanism to report the mysterious objects."
You believe in UFOs and you believe in Brexit. In Ireland there are "little people" that if you catch one they will give you a wish. In Cornwall they have similar folk. Also I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
You, Sir, are the leaking rectum of a louse
Hehe, fair play, a most excellent insult. I shall not try to respond. That was an unplayable ace!
You're welcome, and thankyou for the compliment
On a more serious note, there really is, still, a UFO story that needs to be addressed, inasmuch as, if you refuse to believe in UFOs (and fair enough, the evidence is weak), then you have to explain why the American Establishment is behaving so oddly
This video is REALLY worth watching, as it threads that argument together
It will take 5 minutes of your time. At the end you have to ask: why are these senior people saying these strange things
In particular look out for minute 2:40 and minute 3:10. In the first one the ex Director of the CIA looks absolutely tortured, and agonised, as he says these things could be "other forms of life". In the second the Director of National Intelligence struggles to say the word "extra terrestrial" as she admits these might be "extra terrestrials"
Why are they tortured and struggling? Is it because they are part of some grand conspiracy to hoodwink the Chinese and it makes them unhappy? Have these top people simply gone mad? Are they acting? One explanation is that they genuinely think these might be extra terrestrials but the idea is so, er, alien, they find it hard to say
Let me know your thoughts
My scientific training causes me to be open minded, but evidence based. I am also sceptical about people who want to believe in something where all the evidence suggests that something does not exist. I am not saying UFOs cannot exist, it is just that it is massively unlikely. The balance of probability is that it is all nonsense. I will take a look at it later, but must do some work. I will also think of a similarly amusing insult for you at a later date!
I am explicitly saying it is probably not "aliens"
If it is aliens where are the 1000s of photos and videos? We all have smartphones. It doesn't add up. I don't believe Will Smith is going round erasing the memories and phones of millions of witnesses
But that leaves us with the mystery of American behaviour. All these top people, from Obama down, saying this weird shit. And some of them saying it with anguished body language, which suggests something going on under the surface
Where are the photos? Is not a slam dunk argument.
Take a bird like the snipe. Little brown fuckers, not rare, really difficult to shoot because they stay low and jink, hence why snipers are called snipers. If their existence were called in question it would be as difficult to prove it by photos as it is to shoot them
Exhibit b is big cats in Devon and Cornwall. Nobody serious disputes they are out there but no decent focused photos. It's harder than it looks
Interesting
Yet those US pilots report being buzzed by these UFOS every day for two years. And the UFOs are not tiny birds, these are considerable "aircraft" that attain great speed and show advanced maneuverability. So they must be easily visible to the naked eye
So where are the videos and photos of these? I'd whip my bloody iPhone out, sharpish
The whole thing is deeply confounding. I've thought about it hard and I can't find one easy single explanation
I can - lies
Who is lying, and why?
Now THAT is the right question.
Seriously - if US pilots are seeing these things all the time, presumably there is headcam footage? Or cockpit footage? Nope? Then I have to ask why. See also millions of airline passengers over the last 20 years with cameras on their phones - did none of them see these UFO's?
So... you have no answer or theory. OK
In science theories (or perhaps more accurately hypotheses) are built up from observational evidence and data collection. Until such times as you or other 'Alien' advocates can provide such observational evidence there is nothing upon which to construct a theory.
If you want to see someone doing a good job of debunking many of these UFO stories then try reading the Skeptoid Blog. The latest one on the Chilean Navy UFO case is a good example.
I know all about the Chilean UFO story, I have read the entire works of Mick West. Do keep up
Moving on swiftly: Joe Rogan has a new theory (and his opinion is as good as any, as he has interviewed everyone in this story) the USG has an incredible new drone technology, which they want to keep secret, and this whole Flap is an attempt to smokescreen that
That's not a bad theory. It explains a few things - like the anguished behaviour of the CIA director and the DNI woman, they are either acting the anguish, or really anguished by their own lies
It also fits with previous US behaviour
However it doesn't fit with the evidence going back decades, and would an ex president like Obama really join in with this? Hmm
Nearly 40m views, Lazar was the contractor who claims to have worked at Area 51 trying to reverse-engineer an alien spacecraft.
Lazar also namechecked Element 115 as the 'power source' in 1989 24 years before its discovery. He claims we were provided with some in stable state by our visitors.
Moscovium? the one where the most stable isotope has a half-life of half a second?
They must have been carrying a really, really big chunk of the stuff.....
Thats the claim yes, element 115. Like i said, he was claiming this 24 years before Moscovium was discovered.
As we wait for Boris to do the honourable thing....
the UAP/UFO story rumbles on, as mystifying as ever
"In April 2014, four naval aviators narrowly escaped disaster. Just as they entered highly controlled airspace for a training exercise, their two F/A-18F fighter jets nearly collided with an unidentified flying object (UFO). To the frustration of dozens of their fellow aviators, such a near-catastrophe was inevitable.
"For months before and after the incident, aircrews flying in “exclusive use” training areas off the U.S. East Coast frequently observed unknown objects exhibiting highly anomalous flight characteristics. Despite the collision hazard posed by the UFOs, aviators lacked a formal mechanism to report the mysterious objects."
You believe in UFOs and you believe in Brexit. In Ireland there are "little people" that if you catch one they will give you a wish. In Cornwall they have similar folk. Also I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
You, Sir, are the leaking rectum of a louse
Hehe, fair play, a most excellent insult. I shall not try to respond. That was an unplayable ace!
You're welcome, and thankyou for the compliment
On a more serious note, there really is, still, a UFO story that needs to be addressed, inasmuch as, if you refuse to believe in UFOs (and fair enough, the evidence is weak), then you have to explain why the American Establishment is behaving so oddly
This video is REALLY worth watching, as it threads that argument together
It will take 5 minutes of your time. At the end you have to ask: why are these senior people saying these strange things
In particular look out for minute 2:40 and minute 3:10. In the first one the ex Director of the CIA looks absolutely tortured, and agonised, as he says these things could be "other forms of life". In the second the Director of National Intelligence struggles to say the word "extra terrestrial" as she admits these might be "extra terrestrials"
Why are they tortured and struggling? Is it because they are part of some grand conspiracy to hoodwink the Chinese and it makes them unhappy? Have these top people simply gone mad? Are they acting? One explanation is that they genuinely think these might be extra terrestrials but the idea is so, er, alien, they find it hard to say
Let me know your thoughts
My scientific training causes me to be open minded, but evidence based. I am also sceptical about people who want to believe in something where all the evidence suggests that something does not exist. I am not saying UFOs cannot exist, it is just that it is massively unlikely. The balance of probability is that it is all nonsense. I will take a look at it later, but must do some work. I will also think of a similarly amusing insult for you at a later date!
I am explicitly saying it is probably not "aliens"
If it is aliens where are the 1000s of photos and videos? We all have smartphones. It doesn't add up. I don't believe Will Smith is going round erasing the memories and phones of millions of witnesses
But that leaves us with the mystery of American behaviour. All these top people, from Obama down, saying this weird shit. And some of them saying it with anguished body language, which suggests something going on under the surface
Where are the photos? Is not a slam dunk argument.
Take a bird like the snipe. Little brown fuckers, not rare, really difficult to shoot because they stay low and jink, hence why snipers are called snipers. If their existence were called in question it would be as difficult to prove it by photos as it is to shoot them
Exhibit b is big cats in Devon and Cornwall. Nobody serious disputes they are out there but no decent focused photos. It's harder than it looks
Interesting
Yet those US pilots report being buzzed by these UFOS every day for two years. And the UFOs are not tiny birds, these are considerable "aircraft" that attain great speed and show advanced maneuverability. So they must be easily visible to the naked eye
So where are the videos and photos of these? I'd whip my bloody iPhone out, sharpish
The whole thing is deeply confounding. I've thought about it hard and I can't find one easy single explanation
I can - lies
Who is lying, and why?
Now THAT is the right question.
Seriously - if US pilots are seeing these things all the time, presumably there is headcam footage? Or cockpit footage? Nope? Then I have to ask why. See also millions of airline passengers over the last 20 years with cameras on their phones - did none of them see these UFO's?
So... you have no answer or theory. OK
In science theories (or perhaps more accurately hypotheses) are built up from observational evidence and data collection. Until such times as you or other 'Alien' advocates can provide such observational evidence there is nothing upon which to construct a theory.
If you want to see someone doing a good job of debunking many of these UFO stories then try reading the Skeptoid Blog. The latest one on the Chilean Navy UFO case is a good example.
This isn't correct - theories are just guesses. A good theory fits the known evidence and makes predictions that can be tested. Theories are not built up in the way you suggest.
See below for a good example - I suggest a theory, and it's immediately shot down. A chap called Popper had rather too much to say on such things!
Wrong. What you are referring to are hypotheses. And I am well aware of Popper and what he had to say about these things.
There is a clear difference between hypothesis and theory in science. A theory is definitely not just 'a guess'.
Happy to be called wrong if you explain the 'clear difference' between a hypothesis and a theory.
Gravity says hello.
A 'hypothesis' is an initial suggestion based upon observation. It has to be falsifiable (which is why a religion, as an example, cannot be a hypothesis) and it is tested and refined by further observation and testing which produce a body of data.
Only after it has been extensively tested and substantiated and has resulted in predictions which themselves have been shown to be accurate and substantiated is it considered to be a 'theory'. The actual verifiable results form a 'law' - something that is repeatable without variation under the same circumstances - whilst the explanation of that law is the 'theory'.
Edit - apologies Solarflare this should of course have been in answer to Omnium not yourself.
As we wait for Boris to do the honourable thing....
the UAP/UFO story rumbles on, as mystifying as ever
"In April 2014, four naval aviators narrowly escaped disaster. Just as they entered highly controlled airspace for a training exercise, their two F/A-18F fighter jets nearly collided with an unidentified flying object (UFO). To the frustration of dozens of their fellow aviators, such a near-catastrophe was inevitable.
"For months before and after the incident, aircrews flying in “exclusive use” training areas off the U.S. East Coast frequently observed unknown objects exhibiting highly anomalous flight characteristics. Despite the collision hazard posed by the UFOs, aviators lacked a formal mechanism to report the mysterious objects."
You believe in UFOs and you believe in Brexit. In Ireland there are "little people" that if you catch one they will give you a wish. In Cornwall they have similar folk. Also I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
You, Sir, are the leaking rectum of a louse
Hehe, fair play, a most excellent insult. I shall not try to respond. That was an unplayable ace!
You're welcome, and thankyou for the compliment
On a more serious note, there really is, still, a UFO story that needs to be addressed, inasmuch as, if you refuse to believe in UFOs (and fair enough, the evidence is weak), then you have to explain why the American Establishment is behaving so oddly
This video is REALLY worth watching, as it threads that argument together
It will take 5 minutes of your time. At the end you have to ask: why are these senior people saying these strange things
In particular look out for minute 2:40 and minute 3:10. In the first one the ex Director of the CIA looks absolutely tortured, and agonised, as he says these things could be "other forms of life". In the second the Director of National Intelligence struggles to say the word "extra terrestrial" as she admits these might be "extra terrestrials"
Why are they tortured and struggling? Is it because they are part of some grand conspiracy to hoodwink the Chinese and it makes them unhappy? Have these top people simply gone mad? Are they acting? One explanation is that they genuinely think these might be extra terrestrials but the idea is so, er, alien, they find it hard to say
Let me know your thoughts
My scientific training causes me to be open minded, but evidence based. I am also sceptical about people who want to believe in something where all the evidence suggests that something does not exist. I am not saying UFOs cannot exist, it is just that it is massively unlikely. The balance of probability is that it is all nonsense. I will take a look at it later, but must do some work. I will also think of a similarly amusing insult for you at a later date!
I am explicitly saying it is probably not "aliens"
If it is aliens where are the 1000s of photos and videos? We all have smartphones. It doesn't add up. I don't believe Will Smith is going round erasing the memories and phones of millions of witnesses
But that leaves us with the mystery of American behaviour. All these top people, from Obama down, saying this weird shit. And some of them saying it with anguished body language, which suggests something going on under the surface
Where are the photos? Is not a slam dunk argument.
Take a bird like the snipe. Little brown fuckers, not rare, really difficult to shoot because they stay low and jink, hence why snipers are called snipers. If their existence were called in question it would be as difficult to prove it by photos as it is to shoot them
Exhibit b is big cats in Devon and Cornwall. Nobody serious disputes they are out there but no decent focused photos. It's harder than it looks
Interesting
Yet those US pilots report being buzzed by these UFOS every day for two years. And the UFOs are not tiny birds, these are considerable "aircraft" that attain great speed and show advanced maneuverability. So they must be easily visible to the naked eye
So where are the videos and photos of these? I'd whip my bloody iPhone out, sharpish
The whole thing is deeply confounding. I've thought about it hard and I can't find one easy single explanation
I can - lies
Who is lying, and why?
Now THAT is the right question.
Seriously - if US pilots are seeing these things all the time, presumably there is headcam footage? Or cockpit footage? Nope? Then I have to ask why. See also millions of airline passengers over the last 20 years with cameras on their phones - did none of them see these UFO's?
So... you have no answer or theory. OK
In science theories (or perhaps more accurately hypotheses) are built up from observational evidence and data collection. Until such times as you or other 'Alien' advocates can provide such observational evidence there is nothing upon which to construct a theory.
If you want to see someone doing a good job of debunking many of these UFO stories then try reading the Skeptoid Blog. The latest one on the Chilean Navy UFO case is a good example.
I know all about the Chilean UFO story, I have read the entire works of Mick West. Do keep up
Moving on swiftly: Joe Rogan has a new theory (and his opinion is as good as any, as he has interviewed everyone in this story) the USG has an incredible new drone technology, which they want to keep secret, and this whole Flap is an attempt to smokescreen that
That's not a bad theory. It explains a few things - like the anguished behaviour of the CIA director and the DNI woman, they are either acting the anguish, or really anguished by their own lies
It also fits with previous US behaviour
However it doesn't fit with the evidence going back decades, and would an ex president like Obama really join in with this? Hmm
Nearly 40m views, Lazar was the contractor who claims to have worked at Area 51 trying to reverse-engineer an alien spacecraft.
Lazar also namechecked Element 115 as the 'power source' in 1989 24 years before its discovery. He claims we were provided with some in stable state by our visitors.
And these are all the elements we know about at Harvard yet There may be many others but they haven't been discarvard yet
What is to stop me predicting the discovery of element I dunno 169 and taking credit when it crops up?
If only you weren't posting under a pseudonym then DickDastardlyium it would be!
As we wait for Boris to do the honourable thing....
the UAP/UFO story rumbles on, as mystifying as ever
"In April 2014, four naval aviators narrowly escaped disaster. Just as they entered highly controlled airspace for a training exercise, their two F/A-18F fighter jets nearly collided with an unidentified flying object (UFO). To the frustration of dozens of their fellow aviators, such a near-catastrophe was inevitable.
"For months before and after the incident, aircrews flying in “exclusive use” training areas off the U.S. East Coast frequently observed unknown objects exhibiting highly anomalous flight characteristics. Despite the collision hazard posed by the UFOs, aviators lacked a formal mechanism to report the mysterious objects."
You believe in UFOs and you believe in Brexit. In Ireland there are "little people" that if you catch one they will give you a wish. In Cornwall they have similar folk. Also I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
You, Sir, are the leaking rectum of a louse
Hehe, fair play, a most excellent insult. I shall not try to respond. That was an unplayable ace!
You're welcome, and thankyou for the compliment
On a more serious note, there really is, still, a UFO story that needs to be addressed, inasmuch as, if you refuse to believe in UFOs (and fair enough, the evidence is weak), then you have to explain why the American Establishment is behaving so oddly
This video is REALLY worth watching, as it threads that argument together
It will take 5 minutes of your time. At the end you have to ask: why are these senior people saying these strange things
In particular look out for minute 2:40 and minute 3:10. In the first one the ex Director of the CIA looks absolutely tortured, and agonised, as he says these things could be "other forms of life". In the second the Director of National Intelligence struggles to say the word "extra terrestrial" as she admits these might be "extra terrestrials"
Why are they tortured and struggling? Is it because they are part of some grand conspiracy to hoodwink the Chinese and it makes them unhappy? Have these top people simply gone mad? Are they acting? One explanation is that they genuinely think these might be extra terrestrials but the idea is so, er, alien, they find it hard to say
Let me know your thoughts
My scientific training causes me to be open minded, but evidence based. I am also sceptical about people who want to believe in something where all the evidence suggests that something does not exist. I am not saying UFOs cannot exist, it is just that it is massively unlikely. The balance of probability is that it is all nonsense. I will take a look at it later, but must do some work. I will also think of a similarly amusing insult for you at a later date!
I am explicitly saying it is probably not "aliens"
If it is aliens where are the 1000s of photos and videos? We all have smartphones. It doesn't add up. I don't believe Will Smith is going round erasing the memories and phones of millions of witnesses
But that leaves us with the mystery of American behaviour. All these top people, from Obama down, saying this weird shit. And some of them saying it with anguished body language, which suggests something going on under the surface
Where are the photos? Is not a slam dunk argument.
Take a bird like the snipe. Little brown fuckers, not rare, really difficult to shoot because they stay low and jink, hence why snipers are called snipers. If their existence were called in question it would be as difficult to prove it by photos as it is to shoot them
Exhibit b is big cats in Devon and Cornwall. Nobody serious disputes they are out there but no decent focused photos. It's harder than it looks
Interesting
Yet those US pilots report being buzzed by these UFOS every day for two years. And the UFOs are not tiny birds, these are considerable "aircraft" that attain great speed and show advanced maneuverability. So they must be easily visible to the naked eye
So where are the videos and photos of these? I'd whip my bloody iPhone out, sharpish
The whole thing is deeply confounding. I've thought about it hard and I can't find one easy single explanation
I can - lies
Who is lying, and why?
Now THAT is the right question.
Seriously - if US pilots are seeing these things all the time, presumably there is headcam footage? Or cockpit footage? Nope? Then I have to ask why. See also millions of airline passengers over the last 20 years with cameras on their phones - did none of them see these UFO's?
So... you have no answer or theory. OK
In science theories (or perhaps more accurately hypotheses) are built up from observational evidence and data collection. Until such times as you or other 'Alien' advocates can provide such observational evidence there is nothing upon which to construct a theory.
If you want to see someone doing a good job of debunking many of these UFO stories then try reading the Skeptoid Blog. The latest one on the Chilean Navy UFO case is a good example.
I know all about the Chilean UFO story, I have read the entire works of Mick West. Do keep up
Moving on swiftly: Joe Rogan has a new theory (and his opinion is as good as any, as he has interviewed everyone in this story) the USG has an incredible new drone technology, which they want to keep secret, and this whole Flap is an attempt to smokescreen that
That's not a bad theory. It explains a few things - like the anguished behaviour of the CIA director and the DNI woman, they are either acting the anguish, or really anguished by their own lies
It also fits with previous US behaviour
However it doesn't fit with the evidence going back decades, and would an ex president like Obama really join in with this? Hmm
Nearly 40m views, Lazar was the contractor who claims to have worked at Area 51 trying to reverse-engineer an alien spacecraft.
Lazar also namechecked Element 115 as the 'power source' in 1989 24 years before its discovery. He claims we were provided with some in stable state by our visitors.
And these are all the elements we know about at Harvard yet There may be many others but they haven't been discarvard yet
What is to stop me predicting the discovery of element I dunno 169 and taking credit when it crops up?
Nothing at all. Hes not claiming credit for discovering it, he stated in 1989 that element 115 was the power source for the saucers he claimed were being worked on in Area 51, or more precisely Groom Lake/S4 to the South of area 51. Its a point of interest, not a point of proof. Those that think its all horseshit will be unimpressed, those that believe more to it will be interested by what he had to say.
Is there proof that there is intelligent life in the cabinet?
I guess one or two of the ones who vaguely remember they once had a spine are waiting to hear the utter bollx coming at 6pm before walking but I doubt it.
As we wait for Boris to do the honourable thing....
the UAP/UFO story rumbles on, as mystifying as ever
"In April 2014, four naval aviators narrowly escaped disaster. Just as they entered highly controlled airspace for a training exercise, their two F/A-18F fighter jets nearly collided with an unidentified flying object (UFO). To the frustration of dozens of their fellow aviators, such a near-catastrophe was inevitable.
"For months before and after the incident, aircrews flying in “exclusive use” training areas off the U.S. East Coast frequently observed unknown objects exhibiting highly anomalous flight characteristics. Despite the collision hazard posed by the UFOs, aviators lacked a formal mechanism to report the mysterious objects."
You believe in UFOs and you believe in Brexit. In Ireland there are "little people" that if you catch one they will give you a wish. In Cornwall they have similar folk. Also I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
You, Sir, are the leaking rectum of a louse
Hehe, fair play, a most excellent insult. I shall not try to respond. That was an unplayable ace!
You're welcome, and thankyou for the compliment
On a more serious note, there really is, still, a UFO story that needs to be addressed, inasmuch as, if you refuse to believe in UFOs (and fair enough, the evidence is weak), then you have to explain why the American Establishment is behaving so oddly
This video is REALLY worth watching, as it threads that argument together
It will take 5 minutes of your time. At the end you have to ask: why are these senior people saying these strange things
In particular look out for minute 2:40 and minute 3:10. In the first one the ex Director of the CIA looks absolutely tortured, and agonised, as he says these things could be "other forms of life". In the second the Director of National Intelligence struggles to say the word "extra terrestrial" as she admits these might be "extra terrestrials"
Why are they tortured and struggling? Is it because they are part of some grand conspiracy to hoodwink the Chinese and it makes them unhappy? Have these top people simply gone mad? Are they acting? One explanation is that they genuinely think these might be extra terrestrials but the idea is so, er, alien, they find it hard to say
Let me know your thoughts
My scientific training causes me to be open minded, but evidence based. I am also sceptical about people who want to believe in something where all the evidence suggests that something does not exist. I am not saying UFOs cannot exist, it is just that it is massively unlikely. The balance of probability is that it is all nonsense. I will take a look at it later, but must do some work. I will also think of a similarly amusing insult for you at a later date!
I am explicitly saying it is probably not "aliens"
If it is aliens where are the 1000s of photos and videos? We all have smartphones. It doesn't add up. I don't believe Will Smith is going round erasing the memories and phones of millions of witnesses
But that leaves us with the mystery of American behaviour. All these top people, from Obama down, saying this weird shit. And some of them saying it with anguished body language, which suggests something going on under the surface
Where are the photos? Is not a slam dunk argument.
Take a bird like the snipe. Little brown fuckers, not rare, really difficult to shoot because they stay low and jink, hence why snipers are called snipers. If their existence were called in question it would be as difficult to prove it by photos as it is to shoot them
Exhibit b is big cats in Devon and Cornwall. Nobody serious disputes they are out there but no decent focused photos. It's harder than it looks
Interesting
Yet those US pilots report being buzzed by these UFOS every day for two years. And the UFOs are not tiny birds, these are considerable "aircraft" that attain great speed and show advanced maneuverability. So they must be easily visible to the naked eye
So where are the videos and photos of these? I'd whip my bloody iPhone out, sharpish
The whole thing is deeply confounding. I've thought about it hard and I can't find one easy single explanation
I can - lies
Who is lying, and why?
Now THAT is the right question.
Seriously - if US pilots are seeing these things all the time, presumably there is headcam footage? Or cockpit footage? Nope? Then I have to ask why. See also millions of airline passengers over the last 20 years with cameras on their phones - did none of them see these UFO's?
So... you have no answer or theory. OK
In science theories (or perhaps more accurately hypotheses) are built up from observational evidence and data collection. Until such times as you or other 'Alien' advocates can provide such observational evidence there is nothing upon which to construct a theory.
If you want to see someone doing a good job of debunking many of these UFO stories then try reading the Skeptoid Blog. The latest one on the Chilean Navy UFO case is a good example.
I know all about the Chilean UFO story, I have read the entire works of Mick West. Do keep up
Moving on swiftly: Joe Rogan has a new theory (and his opinion is as good as any, as he has interviewed everyone in this story) the USG has an incredible new drone technology, which they want to keep secret, and this whole Flap is an attempt to smokescreen that
That's not a bad theory. It explains a few things - like the anguished behaviour of the CIA director and the DNI woman, they are either acting the anguish, or really anguished by their own lies
It also fits with previous US behaviour
However it doesn't fit with the evidence going back decades, and would an ex president like Obama really join in with this? Hmm
Nearly 40m views, Lazar was the contractor who claims to have worked at Area 51 trying to reverse-engineer an alien spacecraft.
Lazar also namechecked Element 115 as the 'power source' in 1989 24 years before its discovery. He claims we were provided with some in stable state by our visitors.
And these are all the elements we know about at Harvard yet There may be many others but they haven't been discarvard yet
What is to stop me predicting the discovery of element I dunno 169 and taking credit when it crops up?
Nothing at all. Hes not claiming credit for discovering it, he stated in 1989 that element 115 was the power source for the saucers he claimed were being worked on in Area 51, or more precisely Groom Lake/S4 to the South of area 51. Its a point of interest, not a point of proof. Those that think its all horseshit will be unimpressed, those that believe more to it will be interested by what he had to say.
Given a half life of 0.5 of a second I can't see it acting as a power source for anything...
Been told by a senior government source that it felt like cabinet resignations were "millimetres away" this morning and that staunch Boris MPs are saying he has to pull a rabbit out of the hat or it's all over.
As we wait for Boris to do the honourable thing....
the UAP/UFO story rumbles on, as mystifying as ever
"In April 2014, four naval aviators narrowly escaped disaster. Just as they entered highly controlled airspace for a training exercise, their two F/A-18F fighter jets nearly collided with an unidentified flying object (UFO). To the frustration of dozens of their fellow aviators, such a near-catastrophe was inevitable.
"For months before and after the incident, aircrews flying in “exclusive use” training areas off the U.S. East Coast frequently observed unknown objects exhibiting highly anomalous flight characteristics. Despite the collision hazard posed by the UFOs, aviators lacked a formal mechanism to report the mysterious objects."
You believe in UFOs and you believe in Brexit. In Ireland there are "little people" that if you catch one they will give you a wish. In Cornwall they have similar folk. Also I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
You, Sir, are the leaking rectum of a louse
Hehe, fair play, a most excellent insult. I shall not try to respond. That was an unplayable ace!
You're welcome, and thankyou for the compliment
On a more serious note, there really is, still, a UFO story that needs to be addressed, inasmuch as, if you refuse to believe in UFOs (and fair enough, the evidence is weak), then you have to explain why the American Establishment is behaving so oddly
This video is REALLY worth watching, as it threads that argument together
It will take 5 minutes of your time. At the end you have to ask: why are these senior people saying these strange things
In particular look out for minute 2:40 and minute 3:10. In the first one the ex Director of the CIA looks absolutely tortured, and agonised, as he says these things could be "other forms of life". In the second the Director of National Intelligence struggles to say the word "extra terrestrial" as she admits these might be "extra terrestrials"
Why are they tortured and struggling? Is it because they are part of some grand conspiracy to hoodwink the Chinese and it makes them unhappy? Have these top people simply gone mad? Are they acting? One explanation is that they genuinely think these might be extra terrestrials but the idea is so, er, alien, they find it hard to say
Let me know your thoughts
My scientific training causes me to be open minded, but evidence based. I am also sceptical about people who want to believe in something where all the evidence suggests that something does not exist. I am not saying UFOs cannot exist, it is just that it is massively unlikely. The balance of probability is that it is all nonsense. I will take a look at it later, but must do some work. I will also think of a similarly amusing insult for you at a later date!
I am explicitly saying it is probably not "aliens"
If it is aliens where are the 1000s of photos and videos? We all have smartphones. It doesn't add up. I don't believe Will Smith is going round erasing the memories and phones of millions of witnesses
But that leaves us with the mystery of American behaviour. All these top people, from Obama down, saying this weird shit. And some of them saying it with anguished body language, which suggests something going on under the surface
Where are the photos? Is not a slam dunk argument.
Take a bird like the snipe. Little brown fuckers, not rare, really difficult to shoot because they stay low and jink, hence why snipers are called snipers. If their existence were called in question it would be as difficult to prove it by photos as it is to shoot them
Exhibit b is big cats in Devon and Cornwall. Nobody serious disputes they are out there but no decent focused photos. It's harder than it looks
Interesting
Yet those US pilots report being buzzed by these UFOS every day for two years. And the UFOs are not tiny birds, these are considerable "aircraft" that attain great speed and show advanced maneuverability. So they must be easily visible to the naked eye
So where are the videos and photos of these? I'd whip my bloody iPhone out, sharpish
The whole thing is deeply confounding. I've thought about it hard and I can't find one easy single explanation
I can - lies
Who is lying, and why?
Now THAT is the right question.
Seriously - if US pilots are seeing these things all the time, presumably there is headcam footage? Or cockpit footage? Nope? Then I have to ask why. See also millions of airline passengers over the last 20 years with cameras on their phones - did none of them see these UFO's?
So... you have no answer or theory. OK
In science theories (or perhaps more accurately hypotheses) are built up from observational evidence and data collection. Until such times as you or other 'Alien' advocates can provide such observational evidence there is nothing upon which to construct a theory.
If you want to see someone doing a good job of debunking many of these UFO stories then try reading the Skeptoid Blog. The latest one on the Chilean Navy UFO case is a good example.
This isn't correct - theories are just guesses. A good theory fits the known evidence and makes predictions that can be tested. Theories are not built up in the way you suggest.
See below for a good example - I suggest a theory, and it's immediately shot down. A chap called Popper had rather too much to say on such things!
Wrong. What you are referring to are hypotheses. And I am well aware of Popper and what he had to say about these things.
There is a clear difference between hypothesis and theory in science. A theory is definitely not just 'a guess'.
Happy to be called wrong if you explain the 'clear difference' between a hypothesis and a theory.
Gravity says hello.
A 'hypothesis' is an initial suggestion based upon observation. It has to be falsifiable (which is why a religion, as an example, cannot be a hypothesis) and it is tested and refined by further observation and testing which produce a body of data.
Only after it has been extensively tested and substantiated and has resulted in predictions which themselves have been shown to be accurate and substantiated is it considered to be a 'theory'. The actual verifiable results form a 'law' - something that is repeatable without variation under the same circumstances - whilst the explanation of that law is the 'theory'.
Edit - apologies Solarflare this should of course have been in answer to Omnium not yourself.
Whilst a theorem has been proved.
So Einstein's general theory of gravity; Fermat's last theorem.
So relentless is the juggernaut of scandal surrounding Boris Johnson that it’s worth remembering that Pinchergate, Treehousegate, Carriegate, Blowjobgate, *and* the disastrous by-election results have all happened in just the last two weeks. https://twitter.com/NicholasPegg/status/1544328314118197249
Blowjobgate? I have a vague idea of what the others are…
As we wait for Boris to do the honourable thing....
the UAP/UFO story rumbles on, as mystifying as ever
"In April 2014, four naval aviators narrowly escaped disaster. Just as they entered highly controlled airspace for a training exercise, their two F/A-18F fighter jets nearly collided with an unidentified flying object (UFO). To the frustration of dozens of their fellow aviators, such a near-catastrophe was inevitable.
"For months before and after the incident, aircrews flying in “exclusive use” training areas off the U.S. East Coast frequently observed unknown objects exhibiting highly anomalous flight characteristics. Despite the collision hazard posed by the UFOs, aviators lacked a formal mechanism to report the mysterious objects."
You believe in UFOs and you believe in Brexit. In Ireland there are "little people" that if you catch one they will give you a wish. In Cornwall they have similar folk. Also I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
You, Sir, are the leaking rectum of a louse
Hehe, fair play, a most excellent insult. I shall not try to respond. That was an unplayable ace!
You're welcome, and thankyou for the compliment
On a more serious note, there really is, still, a UFO story that needs to be addressed, inasmuch as, if you refuse to believe in UFOs (and fair enough, the evidence is weak), then you have to explain why the American Establishment is behaving so oddly
This video is REALLY worth watching, as it threads that argument together
It will take 5 minutes of your time. At the end you have to ask: why are these senior people saying these strange things
In particular look out for minute 2:40 and minute 3:10. In the first one the ex Director of the CIA looks absolutely tortured, and agonised, as he says these things could be "other forms of life". In the second the Director of National Intelligence struggles to say the word "extra terrestrial" as she admits these might be "extra terrestrials"
Why are they tortured and struggling? Is it because they are part of some grand conspiracy to hoodwink the Chinese and it makes them unhappy? Have these top people simply gone mad? Are they acting? One explanation is that they genuinely think these might be extra terrestrials but the idea is so, er, alien, they find it hard to say
Let me know your thoughts
My scientific training causes me to be open minded, but evidence based. I am also sceptical about people who want to believe in something where all the evidence suggests that something does not exist. I am not saying UFOs cannot exist, it is just that it is massively unlikely. The balance of probability is that it is all nonsense. I will take a look at it later, but must do some work. I will also think of a similarly amusing insult for you at a later date!
I am explicitly saying it is probably not "aliens"
If it is aliens where are the 1000s of photos and videos? We all have smartphones. It doesn't add up. I don't believe Will Smith is going round erasing the memories and phones of millions of witnesses
But that leaves us with the mystery of American behaviour. All these top people, from Obama down, saying this weird shit. And some of them saying it with anguished body language, which suggests something going on under the surface
Where are the photos? Is not a slam dunk argument.
Take a bird like the snipe. Little brown fuckers, not rare, really difficult to shoot because they stay low and jink, hence why snipers are called snipers. If their existence were called in question it would be as difficult to prove it by photos as it is to shoot them
Exhibit b is big cats in Devon and Cornwall. Nobody serious disputes they are out there but no decent focused photos. It's harder than it looks
Interesting
Yet those US pilots report being buzzed by these UFOS every day for two years. And the UFOs are not tiny birds, these are considerable "aircraft" that attain great speed and show advanced maneuverability. So they must be easily visible to the naked eye
So where are the videos and photos of these? I'd whip my bloody iPhone out, sharpish
The whole thing is deeply confounding. I've thought about it hard and I can't find one easy single explanation
I can - lies
Who is lying, and why?
Now THAT is the right question.
Seriously - if US pilots are seeing these things all the time, presumably there is headcam footage? Or cockpit footage? Nope? Then I have to ask why. See also millions of airline passengers over the last 20 years with cameras on their phones - did none of them see these UFO's?
So... you have no answer or theory. OK
In science theories (or perhaps more accurately hypotheses) are built up from observational evidence and data collection. Until such times as you or other 'Alien' advocates can provide such observational evidence there is nothing upon which to construct a theory.
If you want to see someone doing a good job of debunking many of these UFO stories then try reading the Skeptoid Blog. The latest one on the Chilean Navy UFO case is a good example.
I know all about the Chilean UFO story, I have read the entire works of Mick West. Do keep up
Moving on swiftly: Joe Rogan has a new theory (and his opinion is as good as any, as he has interviewed everyone in this story) the USG has an incredible new drone technology, which they want to keep secret, and this whole Flap is an attempt to smokescreen that
That's not a bad theory. It explains a few things - like the anguished behaviour of the CIA director and the DNI woman, they are either acting the anguish, or really anguished by their own lies
It also fits with previous US behaviour
However it doesn't fit with the evidence going back decades, and would an ex president like Obama really join in with this? Hmm
Nearly 40m views, Lazar was the contractor who claims to have worked at Area 51 trying to reverse-engineer an alien spacecraft.
Lazar also namechecked Element 115 as the 'power source' in 1989 24 years before its discovery. He claims we were provided with some in stable state by our visitors.
Moscovium? the one where the most stable isotope has a half-life of half a second?
They must have been carrying a really, really big chunk of the stuff.....
Thats the claim yes, element 115. Like i said, he was claiming this 24 years before Moscovium was discovered.
Not nearly as good as the journo who tweeted "An official in Brussels has seen the YouGov MRP and said 'I don't like it, but I'll have to go along with it.'"
As we wait for Boris to do the honourable thing....
the UAP/UFO story rumbles on, as mystifying as ever
"In April 2014, four naval aviators narrowly escaped disaster. Just as they entered highly controlled airspace for a training exercise, their two F/A-18F fighter jets nearly collided with an unidentified flying object (UFO). To the frustration of dozens of their fellow aviators, such a near-catastrophe was inevitable.
"For months before and after the incident, aircrews flying in “exclusive use” training areas off the U.S. East Coast frequently observed unknown objects exhibiting highly anomalous flight characteristics. Despite the collision hazard posed by the UFOs, aviators lacked a formal mechanism to report the mysterious objects."
You believe in UFOs and you believe in Brexit. In Ireland there are "little people" that if you catch one they will give you a wish. In Cornwall they have similar folk. Also I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
You, Sir, are the leaking rectum of a louse
Hehe, fair play, a most excellent insult. I shall not try to respond. That was an unplayable ace!
You're welcome, and thankyou for the compliment
On a more serious note, there really is, still, a UFO story that needs to be addressed, inasmuch as, if you refuse to believe in UFOs (and fair enough, the evidence is weak), then you have to explain why the American Establishment is behaving so oddly
This video is REALLY worth watching, as it threads that argument together
It will take 5 minutes of your time. At the end you have to ask: why are these senior people saying these strange things
In particular look out for minute 2:40 and minute 3:10. In the first one the ex Director of the CIA looks absolutely tortured, and agonised, as he says these things could be "other forms of life". In the second the Director of National Intelligence struggles to say the word "extra terrestrial" as she admits these might be "extra terrestrials"
Why are they tortured and struggling? Is it because they are part of some grand conspiracy to hoodwink the Chinese and it makes them unhappy? Have these top people simply gone mad? Are they acting? One explanation is that they genuinely think these might be extra terrestrials but the idea is so, er, alien, they find it hard to say
Let me know your thoughts
My scientific training causes me to be open minded, but evidence based. I am also sceptical about people who want to believe in something where all the evidence suggests that something does not exist. I am not saying UFOs cannot exist, it is just that it is massively unlikely. The balance of probability is that it is all nonsense. I will take a look at it later, but must do some work. I will also think of a similarly amusing insult for you at a later date!
I am explicitly saying it is probably not "aliens"
If it is aliens where are the 1000s of photos and videos? We all have smartphones. It doesn't add up. I don't believe Will Smith is going round erasing the memories and phones of millions of witnesses
But that leaves us with the mystery of American behaviour. All these top people, from Obama down, saying this weird shit. And some of them saying it with anguished body language, which suggests something going on under the surface
Where are the photos? Is not a slam dunk argument.
Take a bird like the snipe. Little brown fuckers, not rare, really difficult to shoot because they stay low and jink, hence why snipers are called snipers. If their existence were called in question it would be as difficult to prove it by photos as it is to shoot them
Exhibit b is big cats in Devon and Cornwall. Nobody serious disputes they are out there but no decent focused photos. It's harder than it looks
Interesting
Yet those US pilots report being buzzed by these UFOS every day for two years. And the UFOs are not tiny birds, these are considerable "aircraft" that attain great speed and show advanced maneuverability. So they must be easily visible to the naked eye
So where are the videos and photos of these? I'd whip my bloody iPhone out, sharpish
The whole thing is deeply confounding. I've thought about it hard and I can't find one easy single explanation
I can - lies
Who is lying, and why?
Now THAT is the right question.
Seriously - if US pilots are seeing these things all the time, presumably there is headcam footage? Or cockpit footage? Nope? Then I have to ask why. See also millions of airline passengers over the last 20 years with cameras on their phones - did none of them see these UFO's?
So... you have no answer or theory. OK
In science theories (or perhaps more accurately hypotheses) are built up from observational evidence and data collection. Until such times as you or other 'Alien' advocates can provide such observational evidence there is nothing upon which to construct a theory.
If you want to see someone doing a good job of debunking many of these UFO stories then try reading the Skeptoid Blog. The latest one on the Chilean Navy UFO case is a good example.
This isn't correct - theories are just guesses. A good theory fits the known evidence and makes predictions that can be tested. Theories are not built up in the way you suggest.
See below for a good example - I suggest a theory, and it's immediately shot down. A chap called Popper had rather too much to say on such things!
Wrong. What you are referring to are hypotheses. And I am well aware of Popper and what he had to say about these things.
There is a clear difference between hypothesis and theory in science. A theory is definitely not just 'a guess'.
Happy to be called wrong if you explain the 'clear difference' between a hypothesis and a theory.
Gravity says hello.
Just another theory that’s going to come crashing down to the ground?
Been told by a senior government source that it felt like cabinet resignations were "millimetres away" this morning and that staunch Boris MPs are saying he has to pull a rabbit out of the hat or it's all over.
As we wait for Boris to do the honourable thing....
the UAP/UFO story rumbles on, as mystifying as ever
"In April 2014, four naval aviators narrowly escaped disaster. Just as they entered highly controlled airspace for a training exercise, their two F/A-18F fighter jets nearly collided with an unidentified flying object (UFO). To the frustration of dozens of their fellow aviators, such a near-catastrophe was inevitable.
"For months before and after the incident, aircrews flying in “exclusive use” training areas off the U.S. East Coast frequently observed unknown objects exhibiting highly anomalous flight characteristics. Despite the collision hazard posed by the UFOs, aviators lacked a formal mechanism to report the mysterious objects."
You believe in UFOs and you believe in Brexit. In Ireland there are "little people" that if you catch one they will give you a wish. In Cornwall they have similar folk. Also I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
You, Sir, are the leaking rectum of a louse
Hehe, fair play, a most excellent insult. I shall not try to respond. That was an unplayable ace!
You're welcome, and thankyou for the compliment
On a more serious note, there really is, still, a UFO story that needs to be addressed, inasmuch as, if you refuse to believe in UFOs (and fair enough, the evidence is weak), then you have to explain why the American Establishment is behaving so oddly
This video is REALLY worth watching, as it threads that argument together
It will take 5 minutes of your time. At the end you have to ask: why are these senior people saying these strange things
In particular look out for minute 2:40 and minute 3:10. In the first one the ex Director of the CIA looks absolutely tortured, and agonised, as he says these things could be "other forms of life". In the second the Director of National Intelligence struggles to say the word "extra terrestrial" as she admits these might be "extra terrestrials"
Why are they tortured and struggling? Is it because they are part of some grand conspiracy to hoodwink the Chinese and it makes them unhappy? Have these top people simply gone mad? Are they acting? One explanation is that they genuinely think these might be extra terrestrials but the idea is so, er, alien, they find it hard to say
Let me know your thoughts
My scientific training causes me to be open minded, but evidence based. I am also sceptical about people who want to believe in something where all the evidence suggests that something does not exist. I am not saying UFOs cannot exist, it is just that it is massively unlikely. The balance of probability is that it is all nonsense. I will take a look at it later, but must do some work. I will also think of a similarly amusing insult for you at a later date!
I am explicitly saying it is probably not "aliens"
If it is aliens where are the 1000s of photos and videos? We all have smartphones. It doesn't add up. I don't believe Will Smith is going round erasing the memories and phones of millions of witnesses
But that leaves us with the mystery of American behaviour. All these top people, from Obama down, saying this weird shit. And some of them saying it with anguished body language, which suggests something going on under the surface
Where are the photos? Is not a slam dunk argument.
Take a bird like the snipe. Little brown fuckers, not rare, really difficult to shoot because they stay low and jink, hence why snipers are called snipers. If their existence were called in question it would be as difficult to prove it by photos as it is to shoot them
Exhibit b is big cats in Devon and Cornwall. Nobody serious disputes they are out there but no decent focused photos. It's harder than it looks
Interesting
Yet those US pilots report being buzzed by these UFOS every day for two years. And the UFOs are not tiny birds, these are considerable "aircraft" that attain great speed and show advanced maneuverability. So they must be easily visible to the naked eye
So where are the videos and photos of these? I'd whip my bloody iPhone out, sharpish
The whole thing is deeply confounding. I've thought about it hard and I can't find one easy single explanation
I can - lies
Who is lying, and why?
Now THAT is the right question.
Seriously - if US pilots are seeing these things all the time, presumably there is headcam footage? Or cockpit footage? Nope? Then I have to ask why. See also millions of airline passengers over the last 20 years with cameras on their phones - did none of them see these UFO's?
So... you have no answer or theory. OK
In science theories (or perhaps more accurately hypotheses) are built up from observational evidence and data collection. Until such times as you or other 'Alien' advocates can provide such observational evidence there is nothing upon which to construct a theory.
If you want to see someone doing a good job of debunking many of these UFO stories then try reading the Skeptoid Blog. The latest one on the Chilean Navy UFO case is a good example.
This isn't correct - theories are just guesses. A good theory fits the known evidence and makes predictions that can be tested. Theories are not built up in the way you suggest.
See below for a good example - I suggest a theory, and it's immediately shot down. A chap called Popper had rather too much to say on such things!
Wrong. What you are referring to are hypotheses. And I am well aware of Popper and what he had to say about these things.
There is a clear difference between hypothesis and theory in science. A theory is definitely not just 'a guess'.
Happy to be called wrong if you explain the 'clear difference' between a hypothesis and a theory.
Gravity says hello.
A 'hypothesis' is an initial suggestion based upon observation. It has to be falsifiable (which is why a religion, as an example, cannot be a hypothesis) and it is tested and refined by further observation and testing which produce a body of data.
Only after it has been extensively tested and substantiated and has resulted in predictions which themselves have been shown to be accurate and substantiated is it considered to be a 'theory'. The actual verifiable results form a 'law' - something that is repeatable without variation under the same circumstances - whilst the explanation of that law is the 'theory'.
Edit - apologies Solarflare this should of course have been in answer to Omnium not yourself.
Nice that you've pulled yourself together on this! (I quite like your explanation.)
NEW: Several Texas counties will hold a press conference in Brackettville, TX later today where they plan to declare an “invasion” at the border. I’m told they plan to reference Article IV Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution, which guarantees states federal protection from invasion.
Comments
And of a male too.
https://twitter.com/AdamGoldsack/status/1543833019705950209?s=20&t=NTcHEXq1aARg4seDhYxQiA
Which is worse, that is, for PM and his Tory collaborators? Takes yer choice, picks yer poison.
https://twitter.com/2004__harry/status/1544344771245785090
EDIT: NOBODY ELSE REPORTNG THIS
EXCL: The Metropolitan Police could be split up with national and local policing roles hived off, the Mayor of London has suggested, in an interview with MyLondon
In that order.
Sums up their priorities perfectly.
Private Eye had some Ugandian-style details of life in Johnson's FOC office.
He is toast, now. It is over
It was definitely not the look of love in those shots of cabinet this morning.
(edit)
Or she doesn't.
By the example of precedent we have learnt the rule that divided parties lose elections. Johnson expelled many of his own MPs, exposing the divisions in his party to the country, and won an 80-seat majority.
I'm not saying it's a good idea. I'm not predicting that it will happen. All I'm saying is that you can never be sure with Johnson, and I certainly would be nervous that he might win.
It’s like a regrettable divorce. It would be a bit mad to talk about “divorce opportunities”, even if, objectively, you can now go on dates.
Keir should generally frame Brexit as “done” and “in the past”, rather than suggesting there is still some better Brexit to be grasped.
It’s from a Twitter account with 82 followers
He thought he had a scoop but people were taking the piss. He’s now back-pedalling as fast as he can with the old “ha ha it was a joke” line
I doubt I’m the first person to come up with it.
I need to go to the supermarket.
Was going to buy popcorn.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=BEWz4SXfyCQ
Nearly 40m views, Lazar was the contractor who claims to have worked at Area 51 trying to reverse-engineer an alien spacecraft.
Rogan has subsequently said that he found Lazar’s story to be plausible and consistent.
There is a clear difference between hypothesis and theory in science. A theory is definitely not just 'a guess'.
Fake news ?
He claims we were provided with some in stable state by our visitors.
The economy is going to get so much worse before it gets better.
Twenty seat majority?
(Was actually asking @Richard_Tyndall a serious question though)
They must have been carrying a really, really big chunk of the stuff.....
There may be many others but they haven't been discarvard yet
What is to stop me predicting the discovery of element I dunno 169 and taking credit when it crops up?
So making claims about 115 just means someone read Popular Science while on the toilet.
Only after it has been extensively tested and substantiated and has resulted in predictions which themselves have been shown to be accurate and substantiated is it considered to be a 'theory'. The actual verifiable results form a 'law' - something that is repeatable without variation under the same circumstances - whilst the explanation of that law is the 'theory'.
Edit - apologies Solarflare this should of course have been in answer to Omnium not yourself.
British teen released on £8k bail in Spain, facing being charged full cost of Spanish QRA response to his fake ‘bomb threat’ from aboard an Easyjet flight.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10983831/British-teen-arrested-bomb-hoax-saw-EasyJet-flight-Menorca-escorted-fighter-plane.html
Discussions as to whether he might be transferred back to the UK for trial - no, don’t do that, let him see what terrorism charges look like abroad.
Those that think its all horseshit will be unimpressed, those that believe more to it will be interested by what he had to say.
PM clearly needs to make a statement before the end of the day
https://twitter.com/Stefan_Boscia/status/1544340194257772544
And so he will speak to the Nation at 6.
Meanwhile...
NEW: Understand Boris Johnson due to meet his more supportive MPs - those who helped shore him up earlier this year - at 6pm this evening
https://twitter.com/katyballs/status/1544355523570573313
So Einstein's general theory of gravity; Fermat's last theorem.
I almost said 'keep it straight' but that would have been silly.
"Strong and stable"
"Last Labour Government"
Let's play Tory Bingo!
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1544357086871560193
"Presumably to reinflate his own flagging morale," the source says
https://twitter.com/elenicourea/status/1544356720000045060
Will Quince and Mike Freer.
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1544356242948341762
I doubt anyone else will be there.
Otherwise it is 1922 next week by sounds of things.
Or something.
“We have to make sure that doesn’t happen in this country. We have to get rid of the rot in our political system” - tells R4
https://twitter.com/Rob_Merrick/status/1544355683142877186
https://twitter.com/billfoxla/status/1544346998488215554
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vkhnPvrugY
We only need Gove and Spielman to come out against Johnson tonight and we'll have the set of ministers and SPADs.
Then we need Christopher Wormald to join the civil service grievance.
But the meeting's more likely to be a flop...
There is no comparison whatsoever to Trump's actions after he lost the 2020 US election. Johnson haters are just going loony now