How does Boris promise yet another “I’ll change” line and expect people to believe it( (I mean, I can understand Nadine and Jacob falling for it but for others…)
How does Boris promise yet another “I’ll change” line and expect people to believe it( (I mean, I can understand Nadine and Jacob falling for it but for others…)
As we wait for Boris to do the honourable thing....
the UAP/UFO story rumbles on, as mystifying as ever
"In April 2014, four naval aviators narrowly escaped disaster. Just as they entered highly controlled airspace for a training exercise, their two F/A-18F fighter jets nearly collided with an unidentified flying object (UFO). To the frustration of dozens of their fellow aviators, such a near-catastrophe was inevitable.
"For months before and after the incident, aircrews flying in “exclusive use” training areas off the U.S. East Coast frequently observed unknown objects exhibiting highly anomalous flight characteristics. Despite the collision hazard posed by the UFOs, aviators lacked a formal mechanism to report the mysterious objects."
You believe in UFOs and you believe in Brexit. In Ireland there are "little people" that if you catch one they will give you a wish. In Cornwall they have similar folk. Also I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
You, Sir, are the leaking rectum of a louse
Hehe, fair play, a most excellent insult. I shall not try to respond. That was an unplayable ace!
You're welcome, and thankyou for the compliment
On a more serious note, there really is, still, a UFO story that needs to be addressed, inasmuch as, if you refuse to believe in UFOs (and fair enough, the evidence is weak), then you have to explain why the American Establishment is behaving so oddly
This video is REALLY worth watching, as it threads that argument together
It will take 5 minutes of your time. At the end you have to ask: why are these senior people saying these strange things
In particular look out for minute 2:40 and minute 3:10. In the first one the ex Director of the CIA looks absolutely tortured, and agonised, as he says these things could be "other forms of life". In the second the Director of National Intelligence struggles to say the word "extra terrestrial" as she admits these might be "extra terrestrials"
Why are they tortured and struggling? Is it because they are part of some grand conspiracy to hoodwink the Chinese and it makes them unhappy? Have these top people simply gone mad? Are they acting? One explanation is that they genuinely think these might be extra terrestrials but the idea is so, er, alien, they find it hard to say
Let me know your thoughts
My scientific training causes me to be open minded, but evidence based. I am also sceptical about people who want to believe in something where all the evidence suggests that something does not exist. I am not saying UFOs cannot exist, it is just that it is massively unlikely. The balance of probability is that it is all nonsense. I will take a look at it later, but must do some work. I will also think of a similarly amusing insult for you at a later date!
I am explicitly saying it is probably not "aliens"
If it is aliens where are the 1000s of photos and videos? We all have smartphones. It doesn't add up. I don't believe Will Smith is going round erasing the memories and phones of millions of witnesses
But that leaves us with the mystery of American behaviour. All these top people, from Obama down, saying this weird shit. And some of them saying it with anguished body language, which suggests something going on under the surface
Where are the photos? Is not a slam dunk argument.
Take a bird like the snipe. Little brown fuckers, not rare, really difficult to shoot because they stay low and jink, hence why snipers are called snipers. If their existence were called in question it would be as difficult to prove it by photos as it is to shoot them
Exhibit b is big cats in Devon and Cornwall. Nobody serious disputes they are out there but no decent focused photos. It's harder than it looks
Interesting
Yet those US pilots report being buzzed by these UFOS every day for two years. And the UFOs are not tiny birds, these are considerable "aircraft" that attain great speed and show advanced maneuverability. So they must be easily visible to the naked eye
So where are the videos and photos of these? I'd whip my bloody iPhone out, sharpish
The whole thing is deeply confounding. I've thought about it hard and I can't find one easy single explanation
I can - lies
Who is lying, and why?
Now THAT is the right question.
Seriously - if US pilots are seeing these things all the time, presumably there is headcam footage? Or cockpit footage? Nope? Then I have to ask why. See also millions of airline passengers over the last 20 years with cameras on their phones - did none of them see these UFO's?
So... you have no answer or theory. OK
In science theories (or perhaps more accurately hypotheses) are built up from observational evidence and data collection. Until such times as you or other 'Alien' advocates can provide such observational evidence there is nothing upon which to construct a theory.
If you want to see someone doing a good job of debunking many of these UFO stories then try reading the Skeptoid Blog. The latest one on the Chilean Navy UFO case is a good example.
This isn't correct - theories are just guesses. A good theory fits the known evidence and makes predictions that can be tested. Theories are not built up in the way you suggest.
See below for a good example - I suggest a theory, and it's immediately shot down. A chap called Popper had rather too much to say on such things!
Wrong. What you are referring to are hypotheses. And I am well aware of Popper and what he had to say about these things.
There is a clear difference between hypothesis and theory in science. A theory is definitely not just 'a guess'.
Happy to be called wrong if you explain the 'clear difference' between a hypothesis and a theory.
Gravity says hello.
A 'hypothesis' is an initial suggestion based upon observation. It has to be falsifiable (which is why a religion, as an example, cannot be a hypothesis) and it is tested and refined by further observation and testing which produce a body of data.
Only after it has been extensively tested and substantiated and has resulted in predictions which themselves have been shown to be accurate and substantiated is it considered to be a 'theory'. The actual verifiable results form a 'law' - something that is repeatable without variation under the same circumstances - whilst the explanation of that law is the 'theory'.
Edit - apologies Solarflare this should of course have been in answer to Omnium not yourself.
Nice that you've pulled yourself together on this! (I quite like your explanation.)
I have had this argument on here several times in the past with people who don't know the difference and assume the colloquial usage is correct. So much so that I have the explanation saved for reference.
A hushed silence descends on PB. There's an odd ratty post, but it just rattles the floorboards. Light flickers through the shutters as if to suggest change, but it's just the searchlights of the betting company helicopters seeking a mug.
A hushed silence descends on PB. There's an odd ratty post, but it just rattles the floorboards. Light flickers through the shutters as if to suggest change, but it's just the searchlights of the betting company helicopters seeking a mug.
A hushed silence descends on PB. There's an odd ratty post, but it just rattles the floorboards. Light flickers through the shutters as if to suggest change, but it's just the searchlights of the betting company helicopters seeking a mug.
I was thinking about what a friend had said I was hoping it was a lie
When was the general election Johnson lost, I must have missed it? He was elected in 2019 for a 5 year term.
There is no comparison whatsoever to Trump's actions after he lost the 2020 US election. Johnson haters are just going loony now
Grow some morals and a spine.
Never going to happen with HYUFD. He, and people like him, is why the Tories will struggle to recover from this, even when Johnson goes.
He and his ilk will soon be telling us that the s***show that Brexit is already turning into wouldn’t have come to pass had the liar king been kept in power….
What’s the counterfactual where Johnson handles this well? Kick out Pinchy on the Wednesday, come clean about the old allegations immediately and spin some “I genuinely thought he’d changed” bollocks?
When was the general election Johnson lost, I must have missed it? He was elected in 2019 for a 5 year term.
There is no comparison whatsoever to Trump's actions after he lost the 2020 US election. Johnson haters are just going loony now
Grow some morals and a spine.
Never going to happen with HYUFD. He, and people like him, is why the Tories will struggle to recover from this, even when Johnson goes.
He and his ilk will soon be telling us that the s***show that Brexit is already turning into wouldn’t have come to pass had the liar king been kept in power….
It was only thanks to Boris winning the 2016 referendum and the 2019 general election that Brexit happened and with a trade deal with the EU and I didn't even vote for Brexit!
kle4 I believe it was you who claimed to have conspired with my dog to destroy my wallet the other day. So was it you that encouraged him to steal my toast and marmalade this morning? I need to know.
Same tactics used: Bolt for the door and run around in circles in the garden with said plunder handing from his mouth.
It certainly was not me @kjh. The delay in me responding has nothing to do with arranging an alibi.
When was the general election Johnson lost, I must have missed it? He was elected in 2019 for a 5 year term.
There is no comparison whatsoever to Trump's actions after he lost the 2020 US election. Johnson haters are just going loony now
Grow some morals and a spine.
Never going to happen with HYUFD. He, and people like him, is why the Tories will struggle to recover from this, even when Johnson goes.
He and his ilk will soon be telling us that the s***show that Brexit is already turning into wouldn’t have come to pass had the liar king been kept in power….
It was only thanks to Boris winning the 2016 referendum and the 2019 general election that Brexit happened and with a trade deal with the EU and I didn't even vote for Brexit!
To think, without Boris Johnson David Cameron would have served a full term and we now be in the Osborne era.
When was the general election Johnson lost, I must have missed it? He was elected in 2019 for a 5 year term.
There is no comparison whatsoever to Trump's actions after he lost the 2020 US election. Johnson haters are just going loony now
Grow some morals and a spine.
Never going to happen with HYUFD. He, and people like him, is why the Tories will struggle to recover from this, even when Johnson goes.
He and his ilk will soon be telling us that the s***show that Brexit is already turning into wouldn’t have come to pass had the liar king been kept in power….
It was only thanks to Boris winning the 2016 referendum and the 2019 general election that Brexit happened and with a trade deal with the EU and I didn't even vote for Brexit!
To think, without Boris Johnson David Cameron would have served a full term and we now be in the Osborne era.
Get him back, Cameron was a better PM than Johnson will ever be - and I hated Cameron
As we wait for Boris to do the honourable thing....
the UAP/UFO story rumbles on, as mystifying as ever
"In April 2014, four naval aviators narrowly escaped disaster. Just as they entered highly controlled airspace for a training exercise, their two F/A-18F fighter jets nearly collided with an unidentified flying object (UFO). To the frustration of dozens of their fellow aviators, such a near-catastrophe was inevitable.
"For months before and after the incident, aircrews flying in “exclusive use” training areas off the U.S. East Coast frequently observed unknown objects exhibiting highly anomalous flight characteristics. Despite the collision hazard posed by the UFOs, aviators lacked a formal mechanism to report the mysterious objects."
You believe in UFOs and you believe in Brexit. In Ireland there are "little people" that if you catch one they will give you a wish. In Cornwall they have similar folk. Also I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
You, Sir, are the leaking rectum of a louse
Hehe, fair play, a most excellent insult. I shall not try to respond. That was an unplayable ace!
You're welcome, and thankyou for the compliment
On a more serious note, there really is, still, a UFO story that needs to be addressed, inasmuch as, if you refuse to believe in UFOs (and fair enough, the evidence is weak), then you have to explain why the American Establishment is behaving so oddly
This video is REALLY worth watching, as it threads that argument together
It will take 5 minutes of your time. At the end you have to ask: why are these senior people saying these strange things
In particular look out for minute 2:40 and minute 3:10. In the first one the ex Director of the CIA looks absolutely tortured, and agonised, as he says these things could be "other forms of life". In the second the Director of National Intelligence struggles to say the word "extra terrestrial" as she admits these might be "extra terrestrials"
Why are they tortured and struggling? Is it because they are part of some grand conspiracy to hoodwink the Chinese and it makes them unhappy? Have these top people simply gone mad? Are they acting? One explanation is that they genuinely think these might be extra terrestrials but the idea is so, er, alien, they find it hard to say
Let me know your thoughts
My scientific training causes me to be open minded, but evidence based. I am also sceptical about people who want to believe in something where all the evidence suggests that something does not exist. I am not saying UFOs cannot exist, it is just that it is massively unlikely. The balance of probability is that it is all nonsense. I will take a look at it later, but must do some work. I will also think of a similarly amusing insult for you at a later date!
I am explicitly saying it is probably not "aliens"
If it is aliens where are the 1000s of photos and videos? We all have smartphones. It doesn't add up. I don't believe Will Smith is going round erasing the memories and phones of millions of witnesses
But that leaves us with the mystery of American behaviour. All these top people, from Obama down, saying this weird shit. And some of them saying it with anguished body language, which suggests something going on under the surface
Where are the photos? Is not a slam dunk argument.
Take a bird like the snipe. Little brown fuckers, not rare, really difficult to shoot because they stay low and jink, hence why snipers are called snipers. If their existence were called in question it would be as difficult to prove it by photos as it is to shoot them
Exhibit b is big cats in Devon and Cornwall. Nobody serious disputes they are out there but no decent focused photos. It's harder than it looks
Interesting
Yet those US pilots report being buzzed by these UFOS every day for two years. And the UFOs are not tiny birds, these are considerable "aircraft" that attain great speed and show advanced maneuverability. So they must be easily visible to the naked eye
So where are the videos and photos of these? I'd whip my bloody iPhone out, sharpish
The whole thing is deeply confounding. I've thought about it hard and I can't find one easy single explanation
I can - lies
Who is lying, and why?
Now THAT is the right question.
Seriously - if US pilots are seeing these things all the time, presumably there is headcam footage? Or cockpit footage? Nope? Then I have to ask why. See also millions of airline passengers over the last 20 years with cameras on their phones - did none of them see these UFO's?
So... you have no answer or theory. OK
In science theories (or perhaps more accurately hypotheses) are built up from observational evidence and data collection. Until such times as you or other 'Alien' advocates can provide such observational evidence there is nothing upon which to construct a theory.
If you want to see someone doing a good job of debunking many of these UFO stories then try reading the Skeptoid Blog. The latest one on the Chilean Navy UFO case is a good example.
This isn't correct - theories are just guesses. A good theory fits the known evidence and makes predictions that can be tested. Theories are not built up in the way you suggest.
See below for a good example - I suggest a theory, and it's immediately shot down. A chap called Popper had rather too much to say on such things!
Wrong. What you are referring to are hypotheses. And I am well aware of Popper and what he had to say about these things.
There is a clear difference between hypothesis and theory in science. A theory is definitely not just 'a guess'.
Happy to be called wrong if you explain the 'clear difference' between a hypothesis and a theory.
Gravity says hello.
A 'hypothesis' is an initial suggestion based upon observation. It has to be falsifiable (which is why a religion, as an example, cannot be a hypothesis) and it is tested and refined by further observation and testing which produce a body of data.
Only after it has been extensively tested and substantiated and has resulted in predictions which themselves have been shown to be accurate and substantiated is it considered to be a 'theory'. The actual verifiable results form a 'law' - something that is repeatable without variation under the same circumstances - whilst the explanation of that law is the 'theory'.
Edit - apologies Solarflare this should of course have been in answer to Omnium not yourself.
Nice that you've pulled yourself together on this! (I quite like your explanation.)
I have had this argument on here several times in the past with people who don't know the difference and assume the colloquial usage is correct. So much so that I have the explanation saved for reference.
When was the general election Johnson lost, I must have missed it? He was elected in 2019 for a 5 year term.
There is no comparison whatsoever to Trump's actions after he lost the 2020 US election. Johnson haters are just going loony now
Grow some morals and a spine.
Never going to happen with HYUFD. He, and people like him, is why the Tories will struggle to recover from this, even when Johnson goes.
He and his ilk will soon be telling us that the s***show that Brexit is already turning into wouldn’t have come to pass had the liar king been kept in power….
It was only thanks to Boris winning the 2016 referendum and the 2019 general election that Brexit happened and with a trade deal with the EU and I didn't even vote for Brexit!
To think, without Boris Johnson David Cameron would have served a full term and we now be in the Osborne era.
We'd be seeing a lot more of the insufferable Farage on the TV though, so I'm sure we would still have thought we were in the worst possible reality.
When was the general election Johnson lost, I must have missed it? He was elected in 2019 for a 5 year term.
There is no comparison whatsoever to Trump's actions after he lost the 2020 US election. Johnson haters are just going loony now
Grow some morals and a spine.
Never going to happen with HYUFD. He, and people like him, is why the Tories will struggle to recover from this, even when Johnson goes.
He and his ilk will soon be telling us that the s***show that Brexit is already turning into wouldn’t have come to pass had the liar king been kept in power….
It was only thanks to Boris winning the 2016 referendum and the 2019 general election that Brexit happened and with a trade deal with the EU and I didn't even vote for Brexit!
To think, without Boris Johnson David Cameron would have served a full term and we now be in the Osborne era.
Get him back, Cameron was a better PM than Johnson will ever be - and I hated Cameron
When was the general election Johnson lost, I must have missed it? He was elected in 2019 for a 5 year term.
There is no comparison whatsoever to Trump's actions after he lost the 2020 US election. Johnson haters are just going loony now
Grow some morals and a spine.
Never going to happen with HYUFD. He, and people like him, is why the Tories will struggle to recover from this, even when Johnson goes.
He and his ilk will soon be telling us that the s***show that Brexit is already turning into wouldn’t have come to pass had the liar king been kept in power….
It was only thanks to Boris winning the 2016 referendum and the 2019 general election that Brexit happened and with a trade deal with the EU and I didn't even vote for Brexit!
And what a noble, truthful individual he’s been too. A fine man, and a fine prime minister
When was the general election Johnson lost, I must have missed it? He was elected in 2019 for a 5 year term.
There is no comparison whatsoever to Trump's actions after he lost the 2020 US election. Johnson haters are just going loony now
Grow some morals and a spine.
Never going to happen with HYUFD. He, and people like him, is why the Tories will struggle to recover from this, even when Johnson goes.
He and his ilk will soon be telling us that the s***show that Brexit is already turning into wouldn’t have come to pass had the liar king been kept in power….
It was only thanks to Boris winning the 2016 referendum and the 2019 general election that Brexit happened and with a trade deal with the EU and I didn't even vote for Brexit!
To think, without Boris Johnson David Cameron would have served a full term and we now be in the Osborne era.
It was Cameron who decided to call the EU referendum and I doubt the less charismatic Osborne would have won a majority against Corbyn as Boris did.
Osborne would have been the austerity PM facing a resurgent UKIP to his right and an aggressive left from Corbyn had Remain narrowly won and he succeeded Cameron
As we wait for Boris to do the honourable thing....
the UAP/UFO story rumbles on, as mystifying as ever
"In April 2014, four naval aviators narrowly escaped disaster. Just as they entered highly controlled airspace for a training exercise, their two F/A-18F fighter jets nearly collided with an unidentified flying object (UFO). To the frustration of dozens of their fellow aviators, such a near-catastrophe was inevitable.
"For months before and after the incident, aircrews flying in “exclusive use” training areas off the U.S. East Coast frequently observed unknown objects exhibiting highly anomalous flight characteristics. Despite the collision hazard posed by the UFOs, aviators lacked a formal mechanism to report the mysterious objects."
You believe in UFOs and you believe in Brexit. In Ireland there are "little people" that if you catch one they will give you a wish. In Cornwall they have similar folk. Also I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
You, Sir, are the leaking rectum of a louse
Hehe, fair play, a most excellent insult. I shall not try to respond. That was an unplayable ace!
You're welcome, and thankyou for the compliment
On a more serious note, there really is, still, a UFO story that needs to be addressed, inasmuch as, if you refuse to believe in UFOs (and fair enough, the evidence is weak), then you have to explain why the American Establishment is behaving so oddly
This video is REALLY worth watching, as it threads that argument together
It will take 5 minutes of your time. At the end you have to ask: why are these senior people saying these strange things
In particular look out for minute 2:40 and minute 3:10. In the first one the ex Director of the CIA looks absolutely tortured, and agonised, as he says these things could be "other forms of life". In the second the Director of National Intelligence struggles to say the word "extra terrestrial" as she admits these might be "extra terrestrials"
Why are they tortured and struggling? Is it because they are part of some grand conspiracy to hoodwink the Chinese and it makes them unhappy? Have these top people simply gone mad? Are they acting? One explanation is that they genuinely think these might be extra terrestrials but the idea is so, er, alien, they find it hard to say
Let me know your thoughts
My scientific training causes me to be open minded, but evidence based. I am also sceptical about people who want to believe in something where all the evidence suggests that something does not exist. I am not saying UFOs cannot exist, it is just that it is massively unlikely. The balance of probability is that it is all nonsense. I will take a look at it later, but must do some work. I will also think of a similarly amusing insult for you at a later date!
I am explicitly saying it is probably not "aliens"
If it is aliens where are the 1000s of photos and videos? We all have smartphones. It doesn't add up. I don't believe Will Smith is going round erasing the memories and phones of millions of witnesses
But that leaves us with the mystery of American behaviour. All these top people, from Obama down, saying this weird shit. And some of them saying it with anguished body language, which suggests something going on under the surface
Where are the photos? Is not a slam dunk argument.
Take a bird like the snipe. Little brown fuckers, not rare, really difficult to shoot because they stay low and jink, hence why snipers are called snipers. If their existence were called in question it would be as difficult to prove it by photos as it is to shoot them
Exhibit b is big cats in Devon and Cornwall. Nobody serious disputes they are out there but no decent focused photos. It's harder than it looks
Interesting
Yet those US pilots report being buzzed by these UFOS every day for two years. And the UFOs are not tiny birds, these are considerable "aircraft" that attain great speed and show advanced maneuverability. So they must be easily visible to the naked eye
So where are the videos and photos of these? I'd whip my bloody iPhone out, sharpish
The whole thing is deeply confounding. I've thought about it hard and I can't find one easy single explanation
I can - lies
Who is lying, and why?
Now THAT is the right question.
Seriously - if US pilots are seeing these things all the time, presumably there is headcam footage? Or cockpit footage? Nope? Then I have to ask why. See also millions of airline passengers over the last 20 years with cameras on their phones - did none of them see these UFO's?
So... you have no answer or theory. OK
In science theories (or perhaps more accurately hypotheses) are built up from observational evidence and data collection. Until such times as you or other 'Alien' advocates can provide such observational evidence there is nothing upon which to construct a theory.
If you want to see someone doing a good job of debunking many of these UFO stories then try reading the Skeptoid Blog. The latest one on the Chilean Navy UFO case is a good example.
This isn't correct - theories are just guesses. A good theory fits the known evidence and makes predictions that can be tested. Theories are not built up in the way you suggest.
See below for a good example - I suggest a theory, and it's immediately shot down. A chap called Popper had rather too much to say on such things!
Wrong. What you are referring to are hypotheses. And I am well aware of Popper and what he had to say about these things.
There is a clear difference between hypothesis and theory in science. A theory is definitely not just 'a guess'.
Happy to be called wrong if you explain the 'clear difference' between a hypothesis and a theory.
Gravity says hello.
A 'hypothesis' is an initial suggestion based upon observation. It has to be falsifiable (which is why a religion, as an example, cannot be a hypothesis) and it is tested and refined by further observation and testing which produce a body of data.
Only after it has been extensively tested and substantiated and has resulted in predictions which themselves have been shown to be accurate and substantiated is it considered to be a 'theory'. The actual verifiable results form a 'law' - something that is repeatable without variation under the same circumstances - whilst the explanation of that law is the 'theory'.
Edit - apologies Solarflare this should of course have been in answer to Omnium not yourself.
Nice that you've pulled yourself together on this! (I quite like your explanation.)
I have had this argument on here several times in the past with people who don't know the difference and assume the colloquial usage is correct. So much so that I have the explanation saved for reference.
Now be fair, who could have precicted that Boris Johnson would once again get them into trouble over his selective recall of events and poor personal judgement?
When was the general election Johnson lost, I must have missed it? He was elected in 2019 for a 5 year term.
There is no comparison whatsoever to Trump's actions after he lost the 2020 US election. Johnson haters are just going loony now
Grow some morals and a spine.
Never going to happen with HYUFD. He, and people like him, is why the Tories will struggle to recover from this, even when Johnson goes.
He and his ilk will soon be telling us that the s***show that Brexit is already turning into wouldn’t have come to pass had the liar king been kept in power….
It was only thanks to Boris winning the 2016 referendum and the 2019 general election that Brexit happened and with a trade deal with the EU and I didn't even vote for Brexit!
To think, without Boris Johnson David Cameron would have served a full term and we now be in the Osborne era.
We'd be seeing a lot more of the insufferable Farage on the TV though, so I'm sure we would still have thought we were in the worst possible reality.
Blukip would never have happened. Farage and Faragism would have been defeated, he would still gob off, but who would care?
When was the general election Johnson lost, I must have missed it? He was elected in 2019 for a 5 year term.
There is no comparison whatsoever to Trump's actions after he lost the 2020 US election. Johnson haters are just going loony now
Grow some morals and a spine.
It doesn't matter who leads the Tories, you will still whinge because we have a Tory government.
It manifestly does matter who leads the conservative party, and Johnson is so toxic he is destroying the party single handedly and you as his cheerleader
A bid to win over soft Tories and former Labour Leavers, but may hinder the GOTV operation and tactical Lib Dem voters. Might help Tactical voters going Lib Dem though.
I understand the electoral motivation, but a courageous decision...
How does Boris promise yet another “I’ll change” line and expect people to believe it( (I mean, I can understand Nadine and Jacob falling for it but for others…)
How could he expect people to believe it last time? They did, so of course he tries again - that's the thing with such people, you have to push them onto a sword, as they will never fall on one without your action.
A bid to win over soft Tories and former Labour Leavers, but may hinder the GOTV operation and tactical Lib Dem voters. Might help Tactical voters going Lib Dem though.
I understand the electoral motivation, but a courageous decision...
Remarkable that conservatives are very pleased and labour supporters not so
Amazing speaking to Conservative MPs (inc payroll) today how widespread the assumption is that the PM won't make it to the next election. There are disagreements on the mechanism and the timing. But there are not a lot who think they will fight another election under Johnson
Interestingly I know several MPs who voted confidence in BJ but were so taken aback by the scale of the opposition that they now wouldn't (on the grounds that he cannot unify the party)
A bid to win over soft Tories and former Labour Leavers, but may hinder the GOTV operation and tactical Lib Dem voters. Might help Tactical voters going Lib Dem though.
I understand the electoral motivation, but a courageous decision...
Soft Tories and former Labour Leavers are the key swing voters for Labour in the Leave voting redwall and the key English and Welsh marginal seats held by the Tories.
Losing some Remainers in safe Labour Remain voting inner city and university seats to the LDs is irrelevant to Labour and in Remain seats in the Home Counties the LDs are the Tories main opponents anyway
When was the general election Johnson lost, I must have missed it? He was elected in 2019 for a 5 year term.
There is no comparison whatsoever to Trump's actions after he lost the 2020 US election. Johnson haters are just going loony now
Grow some morals and a spine.
Never going to happen with HYUFD. He, and people like him, is why the Tories will struggle to recover from this, even when Johnson goes.
He and his ilk will soon be telling us that the s***show that Brexit is already turning into wouldn’t have come to pass had the liar king been kept in power….
It was only thanks to Boris winning the 2016 referendum and the 2019 general election that Brexit happened and with a trade deal with the EU and I didn't even vote for Brexit!
“Thanks to……” is often an interesting turn of phrase.
A bid to win over soft Tories and former Labour Leavers, but may hinder the GOTV operation and tactical Lib Dem voters. Might help Tactical voters going Lib Dem though.
I understand the electoral motivation, but a courageous decision...
When was the general election Johnson lost, I must have missed it? He was elected in 2019 for a 5 year term.
There is no comparison whatsoever to Trump's actions after he lost the 2020 US election. Johnson haters are just going loony now
Grow some morals and a spine.
It doesn't matter who leads the Tories, you will still whinge because we have a Tory government.
It manifestly does matter who leads the conservative party, and Johnson is so toxic he is destroying the party single handedly and you as his cheerleader
How many on here currently voting Labour or LD would switch to the Tories if led by Wallace or Truss or Mordaunt, Boris' likely replacements now if he goes? Barely any I suggest. So replacing Johnson is largely irrelevant to the Tories prospects
NEW: Boris Johnson says it was "a mistake" appointing Chris Pincher to his government: "in hindsight it was the wrong thing to do, I apologise to everyone who has been badly affected by it."
Boris Johnson on making Chris Pincher deputy chief whip: "It was a mistake and I apologise for it. In hindsight it was the wrong thing to do. "There's no place in this government for anybody who is predatory or abuses their position in power." https://twitter.com/KevinASchofield/status/1544365870717276160
Boris Johnson says he "bitterly regrets" giving MP Chris Pincher a government role as deputy chief whip after being made aware of a misconduct complaint against him.
Johnson says it was a mistake given complaints about his conduct had been made before.
"In hindsight it was the wrong thing to do and I apologise to everyone who has been badly affected by it.
"I just want to make absolutely clear that there's no place in this government for anybody who is predatory or abuses their position of power," he says.
When was the general election Johnson lost, I must have missed it? He was elected in 2019 for a 5 year term.
There is no comparison whatsoever to Trump's actions after he lost the 2020 US election. Johnson haters are just going loony now
Grow some morals and a spine.
Never going to happen with HYUFD. He, and people like him, is why the Tories will struggle to recover from this, even when Johnson goes.
He and his ilk will soon be telling us that the s***show that Brexit is already turning into wouldn’t have come to pass had the liar king been kept in power….
It was only thanks to Boris winning the 2016 referendum and the 2019 general election that Brexit happened and with a trade deal with the EU and I didn't even vote for Brexit!
To think, without Boris Johnson David Cameron would have served a full term and we now be in the Osborne era.
We'd be seeing a lot more of the insufferable Farage on the TV though, so I'm sure we would still have thought we were in the worst possible reality.
Blukip would never have happened. Farage and Faragism would have been defeated, he would still gob off, but who would care?
UKIP would be on 20%+ of the vote had Remain narrowly won the EU referendum and Osborne succeeded Cameron as PM
When was the general election Johnson lost, I must have missed it? He was elected in 2019 for a 5 year term.
There is no comparison whatsoever to Trump's actions after he lost the 2020 US election. Johnson haters are just going loony now
Grow some morals and a spine.
It doesn't matter who leads the Tories, you will still whinge because we have a Tory government.
It manifestly does matter who leads the conservative party, and Johnson is so toxic he is destroying the party single handedly and you as his cheerleader
How many on here currently voting Labour or LD would switch to the Tories if led by Wallace or Truss or Mordaunt, Boris' likely replacements now if he goes? Barely any I suggest. So replacing Johnson is largely irrelevant to the Tories prospects
The election is not decided by ca 100 politically motivated PB posters
When was the general election Johnson lost, I must have missed it? He was elected in 2019 for a 5 year term.
There is no comparison whatsoever to Trump's actions after he lost the 2020 US election. Johnson haters are just going loony now
Grow some morals and a spine.
Never going to happen with HYUFD. He, and people like him, is why the Tories will struggle to recover from this, even when Johnson goes.
He and his ilk will soon be telling us that the s***show that Brexit is already turning into wouldn’t have come to pass had the liar king been kept in power….
It was only thanks to Boris winning the 2016 referendum and the 2019 general election that Brexit happened and with a trade deal with the EU and I didn't even vote for Brexit!
To think, without Boris Johnson David Cameron would have served a full term and we now be in the Osborne era.
We'd be seeing a lot more of the insufferable Farage on the TV though, so I'm sure we would still have thought we were in the worst possible reality.
Blukip would never have happened. Farage and Faragism would have been defeated, he would still gob off, but who would care?
UKIP would be on 20%+ of the vote had Remain narrowly won the EU referendum and Osborne succeeded Cameron as PM
Alas we will never know. Either way still better off than now.
When was the general election Johnson lost, I must have missed it? He was elected in 2019 for a 5 year term.
There is no comparison whatsoever to Trump's actions after he lost the 2020 US election. Johnson haters are just going loony now
Grow some morals and a spine.
It doesn't matter who leads the Tories, you will still whinge because we have a Tory government.
It manifestly does matter who leads the conservative party, and Johnson is so toxic he is destroying the party single handedly and you as his cheerleader
How many on here currently voting Labour or LD would switch to the Tories if led by Wallace or Truss or Mordaunt, Boris' likely replacements now if he goes? Barely any I suggest. So replacing Johnson is largely irrelevant to the Tories prospects
How many on here will vote conservative is irrelevant
It is how many of the electorate will and they have already made the decision Johnson is toxic
When was the general election Johnson lost, I must have missed it? He was elected in 2019 for a 5 year term.
There is no comparison whatsoever to Trump's actions after he lost the 2020 US election. Johnson haters are just going loony now
Grow some morals and a spine.
Never going to happen with HYUFD. He, and people like him, is why the Tories will struggle to recover from this, even when Johnson goes.
He and his ilk will soon be telling us that the s***show that Brexit is already turning into wouldn’t have come to pass had the liar king been kept in power….
It was only thanks to Boris winning the 2016 referendum and the 2019 general election that Brexit happened and with a trade deal with the EU and I didn't even vote for Brexit!
To think, without Boris Johnson David Cameron would have served a full term and we now be in the Osborne era.
We'd be seeing a lot more of the insufferable Farage on the TV though, so I'm sure we would still have thought we were in the worst possible reality.
Blukip would never have happened. Farage and Faragism would have been defeated, he would still gob off, but who would care?
UKIP would be on 20%+ of the vote had Remain narrowly won the EU referendum and Osborne succeeded Cameron as PM
Alas we will never know. Either way still better off than now.
There is no way Osborne would have won an 80 seat Tory majority as Boris did
When was the general election Johnson lost, I must have missed it? He was elected in 2019 for a 5 year term.
There is no comparison whatsoever to Trump's actions after he lost the 2020 US election. Johnson haters are just going loony now
Grow some morals and a spine.
It doesn't matter who leads the Tories, you will still whinge because we have a Tory government.
It manifestly does matter who leads the conservative party, and Johnson is so toxic he is destroying the party single handedly and you as his cheerleader
How many on here currently voting Labour or LD would switch to the Tories if led by Wallace or Truss or Mordaunt, Boris' likely replacements now if he goes? Barely any I suggest. So replacing Johnson is largely irrelevant to the Tories prospects
So let me get this staight. You support a party that has a troubled leader and little in the way of a plausible backup?
I have no idea what you're saying, so at least in that we're allies.
You will all remember the moment that was coined, and how it spread around the world, until even little babes in Bangladesh were heard to whisper "dorkus of the porkus morkussssss" as the aliens hovered above, talking to DALLE-59
Ultimately any leader relies on the team that supports them. You simply cannot keep embarrassing them and demanding of them. At some point they ask what they are getting out of it.
Do Tory MPs and Members punish the first big beasts to go though, as not being loyal, even if they agree Boris needs to go?
You will all remember the moment that was coined, and how it spread around the world, until even little babes in Bangladesh were heard to whisper "dorkus of the porkus morkussssss" as the aliens hovered above, talking to DALLE-59
Boris Johnson's position is now simple untenable! Only question now is, will Cabinet Ministers even wait to see the 'public' mood of Conservatives backbenchers at PMQs tomorrow as Boris tries to bluff his away through it, or will they accept the game is up and tell him today to resign for the greater good of the party?!
Twitter (((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges·3m Saj resigns. It’s over.
You will all remember the moment that was coined, and how it spread around the world, until even little babes in Bangladesh were heard to whisper "dorkus of the porkus morkussssss" as the aliens hovered above, talking to DALLE-59
You will all remember the moment that was coined, and how it spread around the world, until even little babes in Bangladesh were heard to whisper "dorkus of the porkus morkussssss" as the aliens hovered above, talking to DALLE-59
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Gove incoming.........(hopefully)
SSI - You must REALLY have enjoyed your lunch!
I was hoping it was a lie
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1544361639163600896?s=20&t=f2IcQ0ipxffBed_09nJZxg
Osborne would have been the austerity PM facing a resurgent UKIP to his right and an aggressive left from Corbyn had Remain narrowly won and he succeeded Cameron
A bid to win over soft Tories and former Labour Leavers, but may hinder the GOTV operation and tactical Lib Dem voters. Might help Tactical voters going Lib Dem though.
I understand the electoral motivation, but a courageous decision...
https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1544355581582090240
Interestingly I know several MPs who voted confidence in BJ but were so taken aback by the scale of the opposition that they now wouldn't (on the grounds that he cannot unify the party)
https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1544356996522074112
Losing some Remainers in safe Labour Remain voting inner city and university seats to the LDs is irrelevant to Labour and in Remain seats in the Home Counties the LDs are the Tories main opponents anyway
As in “thanks to you, my car is now a wreck”?
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1544365099774787585?t=8JwwnzZqdfOF08EJMtv-yw&s=19
Sorry I got caught more like.
He's next, Johnson is a groper himself
Except Johnson himself
"There's no place in this government for anybody who is predatory or abuses their position in power."
https://twitter.com/KevinASchofield/status/1544365870717276160
Johnson says it was a mistake given complaints about his conduct had been made before.
"In hindsight it was the wrong thing to do and I apologise to everyone who has been badly affected by it.
"I just want to make absolutely clear that there's no place in this government for anybody who is predatory or abuses their position of power," he says.
It has been an enormous privilege to serve in this role, but I regret that I can no longer continue in good conscience. https://twitter.com/sajidjavid/status/1544366218789937152/photo/1
It has been an enormous privilege to serve in this role, but I regret that I can no longer continue in good conscience.
Sajid Javid
Johnson
https://twitter.com/sajidjavid/status/1544366218789937152?t=JXYl-i1BvWDLYEfBKY4qnw&s=19
It is how many of the electorate will and they have already made the decision Johnson is toxic
Sajid Javid resigns - great
But I deeply regret it.
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1544365569591447552
The man.
Still, as Gertrude Stein would put it, a cut is a cut a cut. (Feel free to add "n" according to taste.)
At last a spine and a serious runner for leader.
I have no idea what you're saying, so at least in that we're allies.
Absolutely delighted
You will all remember the moment that was coined, and how it spread around the world, until even little babes in Bangladesh were heard to whisper "dorkus of the porkus morkussssss" as the aliens hovered above, talking to DALLE-59
Will anyone follow him?
Or will he be the James Purnell de nos jours?
Do Tory MPs and Members punish the first big beasts to go though, as not being loyal, even if they agree Boris needs to go?
Time for you, and the country to move on from the obsession with something that's long since done.
This is the end, my only friend
The end of our elaborate plans
The end of everything that stands
(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges·3m
Saj resigns. It’s over.
This is the end of Johnson's tenure
NEW THREAD
My Favorite Martian - Season 1, Episode 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PYnnHFAuRU