"Heavy drinkers ‘healthier and happier in later years’ Drinking heavily may be the key to staying happy and healthy in later life, a study has found." (£)
"One third of the participants were classified as drinking “potentially unhealthy” quantities. This included those who enjoyed a drink at least four nights a week or people who regularly had the equivalent of two bottles of wine in a single day.
"This group of heavy drinkers were slimmer, happier and more mobile than their teetotal and low-drinking counterparts, the researchers found."
Time to update my profile pic on this momentous day.
I'm a fan. The army wouldn't wear it, but I do wonder what would have happened had he taken the crown officially, or picked a different son to succeed him who was more able and able to work the different sides.
Fascinatingly, Cromwell was able to trace his family back to pre-Norman times: they were Anglo-Saxon nobility
The Anglo-Saxon aspect of the geographical distribution of Parliamentary support is an underplayed aspect of Civil War history I feel.
I’m afraid the endearing ineptitude of that makes me more of a monarchist
Republicans always get their timing, tone and arguments wrong. Always wrong.
They will try again at the next coronation, and lose then too.
They will always lose.
Yep
The genius of a monarchy is its predictably human unpredictability. So it has inherent drama, like a soap opera, and we are all addicted, even when it takes a dark turn
So you get periods when it’s awful, ugh, Prince Andrew is a fiddler, yuk, and the Queen is nearly dead, oh no, and then suddenly you get a birth or a birthday or a wedding and then Yay, look, the Mall is lovely in the sun! - it reminds me of having a baby which is exactly like Brexit, no, it’s like bringing up a baby - you have periods when it is all nappies and what the F and then you get the first smile or the first word and happiness is unconfined
Except for the churlish, joyless republicans, but then I suspect they get a secret surly joy out of being churlish and joyless, so it’s all good
Yes, they are rude, humourless, joyless, self-obsessed and rather pompous people.
Nobody can watch Trooping the Colour today and tell us that a republic would better; still less an elected head of state that would command neither the history, prestige or magic of a monarchial family stretching back 1,000 years nor provide its continuity or unity. It wouldn't help in providing a unifying role for the State above the dirty squabbles and pettiness of day to day politics and political behaviour. And nor would it aid Britain in enhancing its profile and admiration around the world.
Republics are either political and divisive, or entirely forgettable and boring.
I have no desire to replace something so magical and wonderful that works so well for us to satisfy the neurosis and insecurities of a small minority.
Blimey, all that rage against people who simply have the temerity to believe our head of state should not be an hereditary position. Hardly a bizarre notion across most of the world.
You need to reign it in or in a few years you are going to find yourself sat on the Mall in the pouring rain at midnight with your union Jack underpants on your head.
Just to be clear - and @Farooq tried to make a similar point earlier - I am perfectly calm and thoroughly enjoying today.
My sentiments on republicans and the arguments they advance for a republic are entirely sincere.
What irritation I expressed earlier was for the crassness and rudeness of some republicans trying to piss on her day.
It doesn't mean I share their empty frustration and anger.
This all needs a really innocuous weird moment to define it. Like a bit where the Queen holds up a spark plug and we all sing Onward Christian Soldiers
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
I'm not a monarchist, but we are where we are and I see some benefits. Cruel to the family in many ways but if they want to stick with it hey ho.
Out of interest, assuming that you (like me) were opposed to the Brexit Referendum why would you be in favour of a referendum on this?
Yes, I'm generally anti Rs but I can't think of a better alternative when it comes to big constitutional questions as this would be.
I'm apathetic but agree with the sentiment. I can't get along with creating a new political centre of gravity in the UK with an elected head of state that would rival Parliament.
Time to update my profile pic on this momentous day.
I'm a fan. The army wouldn't wear it, but I do wonder what would have happened had he taken the crown officially, or picked a different son to succeed him who was more able and able to work the different sides.
Fascinatingly, Cromwell was able to trace his family back to pre-Norman times: they were Anglo-Saxon nobility
The Anglo-Saxon aspect of the geographical distribution of Parliamentary support is an underplayed aspect of Civil War history I feel.
What two sides are you referring to? English civil war Saxons v Norman’s?
Whatever your views on the monarchy you could at least show her a bit of respect and some grace.
Fuck her and fuck every single member of her revolting family.
Hahaha
That's it then. That's Actual Jubilee. @Dura_Ace has gotten off his sofa, wearing his off-white anarchist y-fronts, and has kicked in the TV screen, scattering Ukrainians
This is the moment. God save 'er maj
Best Trooping Of The Colour EVER
The horses are AMAZING
❤️ 🇬🇧
I tried to answer your 2 questions btw. To the best of my ability. Was a while ago now.
Time to update my profile pic on this momentous day.
I'm a fan. The army wouldn't wear it, but I do wonder what would have happened had he taken the crown officially, or picked a different son to succeed him who was more able and able to work the different sides.
Fascinatingly, Cromwell was able to trace his family back to pre-Norman times: they were Anglo-Saxon nobility
The Anglo-Saxon aspect of the geographical distribution of Parliamentary support is an underplayed aspect of Civil War history I feel.
What two sides are you referring to? English civil war Saxons v Norman’s?
The Cavaliers liked using four letter words, the Roundheads didn't.
This all needs a really innocuous weird moment to define it. Like a bit where the Queen holds up a spark plug and we all sing Onward Christian Soldiers
For me it was the men in gold coats banging twin kettle drums on huge shire horses
What more do you want?? A silver toad dancing on a flute played by the late Keith Chegwin? That happens only on years ending in a 3
I see your President Johnson and raise you the possibility of a future King Randy Andy.
Doesn't that involve Charles, Wills, George, Charlotte, Louis, Harry and Harry's kids dying first though? That's a pretty long list.
George may turn out to be another Andy.
Who knows.
The firm will make Charlotte queen in that case. They really are very good at reading the runes. Better than the Tory party, at least.
Do you have any evidence for this mystical rune-reading skill? Because recent evidence, Andrew, tells us that the public made up their minds on him a long while before "The Firm" (what does that even mean?) did anything about him (and he's still right there on the line of succession).
"Heavy drinkers ‘healthier and happier in later years’ Drinking heavily may be the key to staying happy and healthy in later life, a study has found." (£)
"One third of the participants were classified as drinking “potentially unhealthy” quantities. This included those who enjoyed a drink at least four nights a week or people who regularly had the equivalent of two bottles of wine in a single day.
"This group of heavy drinkers were slimmer, happier and more mobile than their teetotal and low-drinking counterparts, the researchers found."
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
We have had far too many referendums recently, we are a government of parliamentary democracy not direct democracy.
Though obviously there would never be a referendum on the monarchy under a Tory government, if it happened it would be under a Labour government, though even Starmer has said he now backs a reformed monarchy having replaced the republican Corbyn.
Note in Australia it is only the arrival of a Labor government that has put a republic on the agenda again but even there opinion is divided and any referendum will probably have to wait for a second term, if Labor is re elected. In 1999 of course Australians voted 55% to keep the monarchy
I expect a referendum in Australia within 5 years, probably in Labor's second term if Albanese is re elected.
I would not rule out the monarchy scraping home though, while the cities will vote for a republic, rural and small town and outer suburban Australia is much less keen.
In 1999 for example Queensland was over 60% to keep the monarchy
Rather crucially, well over 80% of Aussies live in cities.
Most of them don't live in the inner cities though.
They live in outer suburbs which together with rural areas and small towns make up over 50%.
In 1999 for example 55% of Australians voted for the monarchy staying, 45% for a republic.
However in the big cities the pro republic vote was higher, hence in Victoria, containing Melbourne, 49% voted for a republic and in NSW, containing Sydney, 46% voted for a republic. ACT, containing the Australian capital Canberra, actually voted 63% for a republic
I’m afraid the endearing ineptitude of that makes me more of a monarchist
Republicans always get their timing, tone and arguments wrong. Always wrong.
They will try again at the next coronation, and lose then too.
They will always lose.
Yep
The genius of a monarchy is its predictably human unpredictability. So it has inherent drama, like a soap opera, and we are all addicted, even when it takes a dark turn
So you get periods when it’s awful, ugh, Prince Andrew is a fiddler, yuk, and the Queen is nearly dead, oh no, and then suddenly you get a birth or a birthday or a wedding and then Yay, look, the Mall is lovely in the sun! - it reminds me of having a baby which is exactly like Brexit, no, it’s like bringing up a baby - you have periods when it is all nappies and what the F and then you get the first smile or the first word and happiness is unconfined
Except for the churlish, joyless republicans, but then I suspect they get a secret surly joy out of being churlish and joyless, so it’s all good
Yes, they are rude, humourless, joyless, self-obsessed and rather pompous people.
Nobody can watch Trooping the Colour today and tell us that a republic would better; still less an elected head of state that would command neither the history, prestige or magic of a monarchial family stretching back 1,000 years nor provide its continuity or unity. It wouldn't help in providing a unifying role for the State above the dirty squabbles and pettiness of day to day politics and political behaviour. And nor would it aid Britain in enhancing its profile and admiration around the world.
Republics are either political and divisive, or entirely forgettable and boring.
I have no desire to replace something so magical and wonderful that works so well for us to satisfy the neurosis and insecurities of a small minority.
Blimey, all that rage against people who simply have the temerity to believe our head of state should not be an hereditary position. Hardly a bizarre notion across most of the world.
You need to reign it in or in a few years you are going to find yourself sat on the Mall in the pouring rain at midnight with your union Jack underpants on your head.
REIN it in
I cannot get over a post on this topic, in which the words "rude, humourless, joyless, self-obsessed and rather pompous people" are applied to *opponents* of the Royal Family.
And of course it is shocking disloyalty to plot against the PM, except that most of the present Cabinet were probably among those who did it to the last PM, when it was proper loyalty to the party no doubt.
Time to update my profile pic on this momentous day.
I'm a fan. The army wouldn't wear it, but I do wonder what would have happened had he taken the crown officially, or picked a different son to succeed him who was more able and able to work the different sides.
Fascinatingly, Cromwell was able to trace his family back to pre-Norman times: they were Anglo-Saxon nobility
The Anglo-Saxon aspect of the geographical distribution of Parliamentary support is an underplayed aspect of Civil War history I feel.
What two sides are you referring to? English civil war Saxons v Norman’s?
The Parliamentary areas map quite well onto the areas of earliest and greatest Anglo-Saxon settlement.
I’m afraid the endearing ineptitude of that makes me more of a monarchist
Republicans always get their timing, tone and arguments wrong. Always wrong.
They will try again at the next coronation, and lose then too.
They will always lose.
Yep
The genius of a monarchy is its predictably human unpredictability. So it has inherent drama, like a soap opera, and we are all addicted, even when it takes a dark turn
So you get periods when it’s awful, ugh, Prince Andrew is a fiddler, yuk, and the Queen is nearly dead, oh no, and then suddenly you get a birth or a birthday or a wedding and then Yay, look, the Mall is lovely in the sun! - it reminds me of having a baby which is exactly like Brexit, no, it’s like bringing up a baby - you have periods when it is all nappies and what the F and then you get the first smile or the first word and happiness is unconfined
Except for the churlish, joyless republicans, but then I suspect they get a secret surly joy out of being churlish and joyless, so it’s all good
Yes, they are rude, humourless, joyless, self-obsessed and rather pompous people.
Nobody can watch Trooping the Colour today and tell us that a republic would better; still less an elected head of state that would command neither the history, prestige or magic of a monarchial family stretching back 1,000 years nor provide its continuity or unity. It wouldn't help in providing a unifying role for the State above the dirty squabbles and pettiness of day to day politics and political behaviour. And nor would it aid Britain in enhancing its profile and admiration around the world.
Republics are either political and divisive, or entirely forgettable and boring.
I have no desire to replace something so magical and wonderful that works so well for us to satisfy the neurosis and insecurities of a small minority.
Blimey, all that rage against people who simply have the temerity to believe our head of state should not be an hereditary position. Hardly a bizarre notion across most of the world.
You need to reign it in or in a few years you are going to find yourself sat on the Mall in the pouring rain at midnight with your union Jack underpants on your head.
REIN it in
I cannot get over a post on this topic, in which the words "rude, humourless, joyless, self-obsessed and rather pompous people" are applied to *opponents* of the Royal Family.
As much as June 30 1997 marked the end of Empire, this weekend and the eventual funeral when the bridge is down mark the final transition from what we were as a nation to whatever it is the future holds. Change is of course ongoing but its the moments that mark the change.
"Heavy drinkers ‘healthier and happier in later years’ Drinking heavily may be the key to staying happy and healthy in later life, a study has found." (£)
"One third of the participants were classified as drinking “potentially unhealthy” quantities. This included those who enjoyed a drink at least four nights a week or people who regularly had the equivalent of two bottles of wine in a single day.
"This group of heavy drinkers were slimmer, happier and more mobile than their teetotal and low-drinking counterparts, the researchers found."
Time to update my profile pic on this momentous day.
I'm a fan. The army wouldn't wear it, but I do wonder what would have happened had he taken the crown officially, or picked a different son to succeed him who was more able and able to work the different sides.
Fascinatingly, Cromwell was able to trace his family back to pre-Norman times: they were Anglo-Saxon nobility
The Anglo-Saxon aspect of the geographical distribution of Parliamentary support is an underplayed aspect of Civil War history I feel.
What two sides are you referring to? English civil war Saxons v Norman’s?
The Cavaliers liked using four letter words, the Roundheads didn't.
They were quite enthusiastic about pray! and don't!
Whatever your views on the monarchy you could at least show her a bit of respect and some grace.
Fuck her and fuck every single member of her revolting family.
Hahaha
That's it then. That's Actual Jubilee. @Dura_Ace has gotten off his sofa, wearing his off-white anarchist y-fronts, and has kicked in the TV screen, scattering Ukrainians
This is the moment. God save 'er maj
Best Trooping Of The Colour EVER
The horses are AMAZING
❤️ 🇬🇧
I tried to answer your 2 questions btw. To the best of my ability. Was a while ago now.
This all needs a really innocuous weird moment to define it. Like a bit where the Queen holds up a spark plug and we all sing Onward Christian Soldiers
For me it was the men in gold coats banging twin kettle drums on huge shire horses
What more do you want?? A silver toad dancing on a flute played by the late Keith Chegwin? That happens only on years ending in a 3
I would like that for the FA cup final so the 'pool can boo it
As armed forces must have highest quota of gay and trans people of any profession, should hope the thought and care is there in ministry of defence for that.
It's like any moment he might jump off the balcony and ride off on a horse, like one of those amateur matadors who leaps off the bleachers and joins the corrida
It doesn't sound much like she's against change to me. Where's her glowing endorsement of Bojo as the man to lead us to the sunlit uplands? She's saying just enough to appear sort of loyal,which basically amounts to keeping a lid on it for the duration of the jubilee.
It's like any moment he might jump off the balcony and ride off on a horse, like one of those amateur matadors who leaps off the bleachers and joins the corrida
Hes not doing much to dispel the Icke theory, weird looking old newt
So, the Jube is here and the weather playing ball. Turns out the road next to us is having a 'street party'. Found this out just yesterday. I was pretty mortified at first but I guess no harm. Might show my face briefly.
Why are you mortified?
Should I, as an atheist, be upset that the Seventh Day Adventist church round the corner uses impromptu food bank they run outside their church as a proselytizing operation?
Or should I smile at them?
But this is meant to be the very heart of North London metro left elitism - as reflected in house prices - so it's disappointing.
But as I say, I'll pop over for an hour or so. You have to do things you'd rather not sometimes. It's part of life.
What's so funny about your posts is that they're not ironic.
TBF I think he is trolling us here. At least I hope he is
I'm not sure he is.
Indeed I'm not trolling. I used to do some of that on here but have long since realized it's best to be sincere and authentic. Fact is, there *is* a shock Jubilee "street party" round my way, and despite my feelings about it I *am* going to pop over briefly when it gets going. Didn't expect brickbats for this (imo admirable) attitude.
The Youtube commentary on this is hilarious. A mix of wonder, spite, pride, determinedly apathetic republicanism, madness, confusion, British irony, Welsh aggressions, animal rights angst, anti-racism, glee, patriotism, trolling, bewildered Filipinos, and people almost as furious as Dura Ace
So, the Jube is here and the weather playing ball. Turns out the road next to us is having a 'street party'. Found this out just yesterday. I was pretty mortified at first but I guess no harm. Might show my face briefly.
Why are you mortified?
Should I, as an atheist, be upset that the Seventh Day Adventist church round the corner uses impromptu food bank they run outside their church as a proselytizing operation?
Or should I smile at them?
But this is meant to be the very heart of North London metro left elitism - as reflected in house prices - so it's disappointing.
But as I say, I'll pop over for an hour or so. You have to do things you'd rather not sometimes. It's part of life.
What's so funny about your posts is that they're not ironic.
TBF I think he is trolling us here. At least I hope he is
I'm not sure he is.
Indeed I'm not trolling. I used to do some of that on here but have long since realized it's best to be sincere and authentic. Fact is, there *is* a shock Jubilee "street party" round my way, and despite my feelings about it I *am* going to pop over briefly when it gets going. Didn't expect brickbats for this (imo admirable) attitude.
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
Shame the people keep ignoring you.
Republicanism is growing. But that's fine you are still in the majority; you have your laurels and you can probably rest for a while. We'll wake you up if anything happens.
It's been growing for the last ten years, for sure. But then, it has flourished before - eg when we actually chopped off the king's head, and had a republic. But then we went back to Royalty
The madness of King George was a good time for republicanism, also the invisible period of ageing Victoria, likewise the Abdication, but we've never got as close as Cromwellian times ever since
To put it differently, support for a Republic peaked at 20% in 1993 (then fell back). Must have been Diana times? Right now it is about 25%. So you've gained 5 points in 30 years. At this rate you can expect to get your republic in 150 years time?
Unless, of course, support for a republic falls back again. As it has done for the last four centuries
Harry & Meghan, Andrew, people not sure about Charles, Brexit probably pollutes it a little bit, Corbyn didn't help etc.
But, we know William is very popular and he'll effectively be a deputy King as soon as Charles takes the throne.
So, i think it will all settle down and it will be fine.
Two words. President. Johnson.
You can vote a president out. Imagine a King Boris. What would you do then?
Forced abdication. The firm is pretty good at self policing, they got rid of Edward VIII with more ruthlessness than the Tories have with Boris.
And there were significant doubts about Mr Simpson’s replacement - which is what also appears to be staying Tory hands.
"Heavy drinkers ‘healthier and happier in later years’ Drinking heavily may be the key to staying happy and healthy in later life, a study has found." (£)
"One third of the participants were classified as drinking “potentially unhealthy” quantities. This included those who enjoyed a drink at least four nights a week or people who regularly had the equivalent of two bottles of wine in a single day.
"This group of heavy drinkers were slimmer, happier and more mobile than their teetotal and low-drinking counterparts, the researchers found."
Thanks everyone on your feedback on what to see in Lisbon and Faro. Appreciated.
Trooping the colour was rather impressive. Looking forward to the fly pass which hopefully will go over our house.
Friend of mine who also likes aeroplanes went there. There is a curious memorial to the first plane crossing of the Atlantic (by a Portugee?) on the quayside or something - also some sort of observatory/museum from the Era of Discoveries. The Belem Tower. He sent me a postcard. The plane is in the park nearby. If you like planes, it will appeal - if not, probably not!
But if you want a constitutional change as significant as - say - changing the Westminster voting system then you need one.
We didn't have a referendum in 1832, or 1918, or 1928, or 1969, etc.
Indeed. Referendums, UK-wide, exist as a mechanism for one purpose only.
We have two competing uneasy confederations of warring tribes that we call "The Big Two Parties." Each consists of several tribes that are at best in a state of truce with other tribes in order to obtain power to exercise in a direction more or less suitable to all those tribes in that Party.
When a major decision becomes unavoidable and it is one on which the internal tribes cannot agree, and one where they are so strongly in disagreement it threatens civil war and breakup internally, yet has to be made, whoever is Party Leader of the Party in power can choose the teflon shoulder approach of sliding it off to be made by someone else in a way which which his internal tribes cannot argue. Well, they can argue and no doubt will, but it is externalised sufficiently to avoid Party breakup.
And thus we have (very occasional) referendums.
I may be unduly cynical, but that's what fits all that has gone before (both where referendums have been called and where major similar decisions have been taken without referendums)
Since heavy drinking and now smoking makes folk happy I depart to the beach with rejoicing. Will return for the free nosh and wine!! Monarchists. Enjoy yourselves. Republicans. Find summat better to do. There's plenty of choice. A happy day all round. A bientot!
The Youtube commentary on this is hilarious. A mix of wonder, spite, pride, determinedly apathetic republicanism, madness, confusion, British irony, Welsh aggressions, animal rights angst, anti-racism, glee, patriotism, trolling, bewildered Filipinos, and people almost as furious as Dura Ace
Is anyone trying to bait people with talk of The White Dominions and failing to get the response that wanted?
Trooping the Colour is a truly bizarre mix of the Utterly Absurd and Unexpectedly Impressive, with a dash of peculiar melodrama
British history as dressage
Who the fuck are the guys banging drums on top of shire horses?? Why??
And yet, Wow men can bang big drums on top of shire horses. Who knew
You are so right On the mix Leon. What you are commenting on here, the difference between the pomp and circumstance is exactly what inspired Elgar. He based it on a poem!
I found this on the web
“Between 1901 and 1934 Edward Elgar composed five marches and sketched a sixth, the title he took from Act III, Scene 3 of Shakespeare's Othello:
Farewell the neighing steed and the shrill trump, The spirit-stirring drum, th'ear-piercing fife, The royal banner, and all quality, Pride, pomp, and circumstance of glorious war!
For the first is set a motto for the whole set of marches, set to a verse from Lord de Tabley's poem "The March of Glory" on assumption the splendid show of military pageantry—"Pomp"—has no connection with the drabness and terror to come —"Circumstance"
Like a proud music that draws men on to die Madly upon the spears in martial ecstasy, A measure that sets heaven in all their veins And iron in their hands. I hear the Nation march Beneath her ensign as an eagle's wing; O'er shield and sheeted targe The banners of my faith most gaily swing; Moving to victory with solemn noise, With worship and with conquest, and the voice of myriads.
As a tune, March number one quickly became very popular, on its Proms debut the audience demanded two encores. There was no singing involved at this stage, just pure appreciation of the music Elgar composed.
Elgar was asked by the King to rework this popular piece into a Coronation Ode, of which the chorus only (and not supplied by Elgar) is now used for Last Night pageantry. It is well known later in life Elgar was uncomfortable with this work morphing into something else, not because of his working class roots or Catholic upbringing during an era it was easier to have influence if you were hindered by neither, Ed was more than capable of looking after himself in that regard, it was more a case of losing control of his artistic soul, seeing his work man handled by those without understanding or good taste.
But what of appreciation and understanding of an artists work, if it is only the pomp cut from the relating circumstance?
Elgar in his own words, in a lecture at Birmingham University
“The commonplace mind can never be anything but commonplace, and no amount of education, no polish of a university, can eradicate the stain from the low type of mind which is the English commonplace,” he declared to a shocked room. “An Englishman will take you into a large room, beautifully proportioned, and will point out to you that it is white – all over white – and somebody will say, ‘What exquisite taste.’ You know in your own mind, in your own soul, that is not taste at all – that it is the want of taste, that it is mere evasion. English music is white, and evades everything.”
So, the Jube is here and the weather playing ball. Turns out the road next to us is having a 'street party'. Found this out just yesterday. I was pretty mortified at first but I guess no harm. Might show my face briefly.
Why are you mortified?
Should I, as an atheist, be upset that the Seventh Day Adventist church round the corner uses impromptu food bank they run outside their church as a proselytizing operation?
Or should I smile at them?
But this is meant to be the very heart of North London metro left elitism - as reflected in house prices - so it's disappointing.
But as I say, I'll pop over for an hour or so. You have to do things you'd rather not sometimes. It's part of life.
What's so funny about your posts is that they're not ironic.
TBF I think he is trolling us here. At least I hope he is
I'm not sure he is.
Indeed I'm not trolling. I used to do some of that on here but have long since realized it's best to be sincere and authentic. Fact is, there *is* a shock Jubilee "street party" round my way, and despite my feelings about it I *am* going to pop over briefly when it gets going. Didn't expect brickbats for this (imo admirable) attitude.
You get brickbats for that rogue 'z' though.
Ah yes. But remember the deal - I don't do that when writing to you.
I see your President Johnson and raise you the possibility of a future King Randy Andy.
Doesn't that involve Charles, Wills, George, Charlotte, Louis, Harry and Harry's kids dying first though? That's a pretty long list.
Charlotte has been absolutely delightful today. Smiling and waving and making eye contact with all the crowds.
The monarchy has a very long and happy future.
I agree there is no great desire to get of the monarchy just now but I think it is evident that enthusiasm for it has been declining for decades both here and elsewhere.
The celebrations for this Jubilee are far less than previous ones. Where we live, apart from the odd pub and shop trying to drum up a bit of extra trade there is zilch to indicate it is happening. When England are playing in a big tournament you would see 10 times the amount of bunting and flags.
By the time we get to King William I suspect it will have reduced to some form of Scandinavian-style monarchy bike-riding affair and most people will be quite content with that.
Since heavy drinking and now smoking makes folk happy I depart to the beach with rejoicing. Will return for the free nosh and wine!! Monarchists. Enjoy yourselves. Republicans. Find summat better to do. There's plenty of choice. A happy day all round. A bientot!
Already done: wagtail, dipper and - a real treat for today - kingfisher by the river this morning.
Trooping the Colour is a truly bizarre mix of the Utterly Absurd and Unexpectedly Impressive, with a dash of peculiar melodrama
British history as dressage
Who the fuck are the guys banging drums on top of shire horses?? Why??
And yet, Wow men can bang big drums on top of shire horses. Who knew
You are so right On the mix Leon. What you are commenting on here, the difference between the pomp and circumstance is exactly what inspired Elgar. He based it on a poem!
I found this on the web
“Between 1901 and 1934 Edward Elgar composed five marches and sketched a sixth, the title he took from Act III, Scene 3 of Shakespeare's Othello:
Farewell the neighing steed and the shrill trump, The spirit-stirring drum, th'ear-piercing fife, The royal banner, and all quality, Pride, pomp, and circumstance of glorious war!
For the first is set a motto for the whole set of marches, set to a verse from Lord de Tabley's poem "The March of Glory" on assumption the splendid show of military pageantry—"Pomp"—has no connection with the drabness and terror to come —"Circumstance"
Like a proud music that draws men on to die Madly upon the spears in martial ecstasy, A measure that sets heaven in all their veins And iron in their hands. I hear the Nation march Beneath her ensign as an eagle's wing; O'er shield and sheeted targe The banners of my faith most gaily swing; Moving to victory with solemn noise, With worship and with conquest, and the voice of myriads.
As a tune, March number one quickly became very popular, on its Proms debut the audience demanded two encores. There was no singing involved at this stage, just pure appreciation of the music Elgar composed.
Elgar was asked by the King to rework this popular piece into a Coronation Ode, of which the chorus only (and not supplied by Elgar) is now used for Last Night pageantry. It is well known later in life Elgar was uncomfortable with this work morphing into something else, not because of his working class roots or Catholic upbringing during an era it was easier to have influence if you were hindered by neither, Ed was more than capable of looking after himself in that regard, it was more a case of losing control of his artistic soul, seeing his work man handled by those without understanding or good taste.
But what of appreciation and understanding of an artists work, if it is only the pomp cut from the relating circumstance?
Elgar in his own words, in a lecture at Birmingham University
“The commonplace mind can never be anything but commonplace, and no amount of education, no polish of a university, can eradicate the stain from the low type of mind which is the English commonplace,” he declared to a shocked room. “An Englishman will take you into a large room, beautifully proportioned, and will point out to you that it is white – all over white – and somebody will say, ‘What exquisite taste.’ You know in your own mind, in your own soul, that is not taste at all – that it is the want of taste, that it is mere evasion. English music is white, and evades everything.”
Elgar also wrote the first football chants. And first football team song.
The Red Hawks are now very old as you say, the obsolete T1 model. BAe are supposedly delivering a new model soon to the training squadrons, so maybe they’ll upgrade RAFAT to the T2s currently in that role.
Hawk production is now over with the 9 Qatari ones in final assembly. There will be no T2s for RAFAT.
The MoD have "invested" in Aeralis in the probably deluded hope that a functioning aircraft will somehow claw its way out of the money pit. They will probably be able to blackmail the RAF into buying some for the RA by threatening to go bankrupt if they don't get an order.
It's like any moment he might jump off the balcony and ride off on a horse, like one of those amateur matadors who leaps off the bleachers and joins the corrida
Low key, dogged, deeply orthodox. The thinking man's royal in many ways.
I’m afraid the endearing ineptitude of that makes me more of a monarchist
Republicans always get their timing, tone and arguments wrong. Always wrong.
They will try again at the next coronation, and lose then too.
They will always lose.
Yep
The genius of a monarchy is its predictably human unpredictability. So it has inherent drama, like a soap opera, and we are all addicted, even when it takes a dark turn
So you get periods when it’s awful, ugh, Prince Andrew is a fiddler, yuk, and the Queen is nearly dead, oh no, and then suddenly you get a birth or a birthday or a wedding and then Yay, look, the Mall is lovely in the sun! - it reminds me of having a baby which is exactly like Brexit, no, it’s like bringing up a baby - you have periods when it is all nappies and what the F and then you get the first smile or the first word and happiness is unconfined
Except for the churlish, joyless republicans, but then I suspect they get a secret surly joy out of being churlish and joyless, so it’s all good
Yes, they are rude, humourless, joyless, self-obsessed and rather pompous people.
Nobody can watch Trooping the Colour today and tell us that a republic would better; still less an elected head of state that would command neither the history, prestige or magic of a monarchial family stretching back 1,000 years nor provide its continuity or unity. It wouldn't help in providing a unifying role for the State above the dirty squabbles and pettiness of day to day politics and political behaviour. And nor would it aid Britain in enhancing its profile and admiration around the world.
Republics are either political and divisive, or entirely forgettable and boring.
I have no desire to replace something so magical and wonderful that works so well for us to satisfy the neurosis and insecurities of a small minority.
Blimey, all that rage against people who simply have the temerity to believe our head of state should not be an hereditary position. Hardly a bizarre notion across most of the world.
You need to reign it in or in a few years you are going to find yourself sat on the Mall in the pouring rain at midnight with your union Jack underpants on your head.
Just to be clear - and @Farooq tried to make a similar point earlier - I am perfectly calm and thoroughly enjoying today.
My sentiments on republicans and the arguments they advance for a republic are entirely sincere.
What irritation I expressed earlier was for the crassness and rudeness of some republicans trying to piss on her day.
It doesn't mean I share their empty frustration and anger.
You don't sound calm. Just enjoy the day. I'm ambivalent to the monarchy, but I'm certainly enjoying the day and will be enjoying the next few days. Trooping the colour was excellent. Why get your knickers in a twist.
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
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Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
Shame the people keep ignoring you.
Republicanism is growing. But that's fine you are still in the majority; you have your laurels and you can probably rest for a while. We'll wake you up if anything happens.
It's been growing for the last ten years, for sure. But then, it has flourished before - eg when we actually chopped off the king's head, and had a republic. But then we went back to Royalty
The madness of King George was a good time for republicanism, also the invisible period of ageing Victoria, likewise the Abdication, but we've never got as close as Cromwellian times ever since
To put it differently, support for a Republic peaked at 20% in 1993 (then fell back). Must have been Diana times? Right now it is about 25%. So you've gained 5 points in 30 years. At this rate you can expect to get your republic in 150 years time?
Unless, of course, support for a republic falls back again. As it has done for the last four centuries
Harry & Meghan, Andrew, people not sure about Charles, Brexit probably pollutes it a little bit, Corbyn didn't help etc.
But, we know William is very popular and he'll effectively be a deputy King as soon as Charles takes the throne.
So, i think it will all settle down and it will be fine.
Two words. President. Johnson.
Never understood that argument. You appear to be saying that we have to have a hereditary head of state because the British public can't be trusted to elect one.
If we need a ceremonial head of state (which is what we have) why not simply rule out anyone who has held political office from standing? It really wouldn't be difficult
So, the Jube is here and the weather playing ball. Turns out the road next to us is having a 'street party'. Found this out just yesterday. I was pretty mortified at first but I guess no harm. Might show my face briefly.
Why are you mortified?
Should I, as an atheist, be upset that the Seventh Day Adventist church round the corner uses impromptu food bank they run outside their church as a proselytizing operation?
Or should I smile at them?
Fremdscham is a real thing. I feel embarrassed about other people sitting under the bunting eating off QEII china. The likes of Casino_Royale feel embarrassed about people like me expressing republican sympathies on This Of All Days (or ever).
Probably everybody of every political persuasion without exception would cringe at the state of Tim Farron's Twitter today.
There's something about this whole monarchy thing that really sets people up to just find the other side not just wrong but also very, very strange.
Not embarrassed I just found it extremely rude.
Queen Elizabeth has been on the throne for over 70 years and given outstanding service to our nation.
Whatever your views on the monarchy you could at least show her a bit of respect and some grace.
Careful, you're getting dangerously close to those who tell us we mustn't disrespect Mohammed.
"Heavy drinkers ‘healthier and happier in later years’ Drinking heavily may be the key to staying happy and healthy in later life, a study has found." (£)
"One third of the participants were classified as drinking “potentially unhealthy” quantities. This included those who enjoyed a drink at least four nights a week or people who regularly had the equivalent of two bottles of wine in a single day.
"This group of heavy drinkers were slimmer, happier and more mobile than their teetotal and low-drinking counterparts, the researchers found."
Before cigarettes were banned in most places I always had the impression smokers were happier than everyone else despite their bad health effects.
Yeah, they didn't have to worry about their pensions or what to do in retirement.
Not much happiness on the respiratory ward that I started on 30 something years ago. Someone died every day from Emphysema or lung cancer. The first being the worst way to go.
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"One third of the participants were classified as drinking “potentially unhealthy” quantities. This included those who enjoyed a drink at least four nights a week or people who regularly had the equivalent of two bottles of wine in a single day.
"This group of heavy drinkers were slimmer, happier and more mobile than their teetotal and low-drinking counterparts, the researchers found."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/heavy-drinkers-healthier-and-happier-in-later-years-tnsrz8zqw
Who on earth would put that image of JRM up?
I can't even bear to quote it.
I'm going to need therapy.
My sentiments on republicans and the arguments they advance for a republic are entirely sincere.
What irritation I expressed earlier was for the crassness and rudeness of some republicans trying to piss on her day.
It doesn't mean I share their empty frustration and anger.
Like a bit where the Queen holds up a spark plug and we all sing Onward Christian Soldiers
The monarchy has a very long and happy future.
The 1977 Silver Jubilee was a chance to pause, with much of the reign to come, to look both back and forward.
The 2002 Golden Jubilee was a reset after a storm-tossed decade of scandal, divorces and missteps.
In 2012, the Diamond Jubilee was a reaffirmation of the Queen's place in the nation's affections.
This Platinum Jubilee will be different. Because this is farewell.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61645993
What more do you want?? A silver toad dancing on a flute played by the late Keith Chegwin? That happens only on years ending in a 3
https://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/pride-as-shire-horse-to-become-household-cavalrys-first-female-drum-horse-745773
Do they get to self-identify?
They live in outer suburbs which together with rural areas and small towns make up over 50%.
In 1999 for example 55% of Australians voted for the monarchy staying, 45% for a republic.
However in the big cities the pro republic vote was higher, hence in Victoria, containing Melbourne, 49% voted for a republic and in NSW, containing Sydney, 46% voted for a republic. ACT, containing the Australian capital Canberra, actually voted 63% for a republic
I cannot get over a post on this topic, in which the words "rude, humourless, joyless, self-obsessed and rather pompous people" are applied to *opponents* of the Royal Family.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/02/priti-patel-jubilee-celebrations-mps-plotting-no-confidence-letters
Love seeing so many girls on these horses today! #HerGameToo
It's like any moment he might jump off the balcony and ride off on a horse, like one of those amateur matadors who leaps off the bleachers and joins the corrida
Trooping the colour was rather impressive. Looking forward to the fly pass which hopefully will go over our house.
Spending it with the other half.
God Save The Queen.
Referendums, UK-wide, exist as a mechanism for one purpose only.
We have two competing uneasy confederations of warring tribes that we call "The Big Two Parties." Each consists of several tribes that are at best in a state of truce with other tribes in order to obtain power to exercise in a direction more or less suitable to all those tribes in that Party.
When a major decision becomes unavoidable and it is one on which the internal tribes cannot agree, and one where they are so strongly in disagreement it threatens civil war and breakup internally, yet has to be made, whoever is Party Leader of the Party in power can choose the teflon shoulder approach of sliding it off to be made by someone else in a way which which his internal tribes cannot argue. Well, they can argue and no doubt will, but it is externalised sufficiently to avoid Party breakup.
And thus we have (very occasional) referendums.
I may be unduly cynical, but that's what fits all that has gone before (both where referendums have been called and where major similar decisions have been taken without referendums)
Will return for the free nosh and wine!!
Monarchists. Enjoy yourselves.
Republicans. Find summat better to do. There's plenty of choice.
A happy day all round.
A bientot!
Edit - instinct was right.
Flown over DC though, that was good.
I found this on the web
“Between 1901 and 1934 Edward Elgar composed five marches and sketched a sixth, the title he took from Act III, Scene 3 of Shakespeare's Othello:
Farewell the neighing steed and the shrill trump,
The spirit-stirring drum, th'ear-piercing fife,
The royal banner, and all quality,
Pride, pomp, and circumstance of glorious war!
For the first is set a motto for the whole set of marches, set to a verse from Lord de Tabley's poem "The March of Glory" on assumption the splendid show of military pageantry—"Pomp"—has no connection with the drabness and terror to come —"Circumstance"
Like a proud music that draws men on to die
Madly upon the spears in martial ecstasy,
A measure that sets heaven in all their veins
And iron in their hands.
I hear the Nation march
Beneath her ensign as an eagle's wing;
O'er shield and sheeted targe
The banners of my faith most gaily swing;
Moving to victory with solemn noise,
With worship and with conquest, and the voice of myriads.
As a tune, March number one quickly became very popular, on its Proms debut the audience demanded two encores. There was no singing involved at this stage, just pure appreciation of the music Elgar composed.
Elgar was asked by the King to rework this popular piece into a Coronation Ode, of which the chorus only (and not supplied by Elgar) is now used for Last Night pageantry. It is well known later in life Elgar was uncomfortable with this work morphing into something else, not because of his working class roots or Catholic upbringing during an era it was easier to have influence if you were hindered by neither, Ed was more than capable of looking after himself in that regard, it was more a case of losing control of his artistic soul, seeing his work man handled by those without understanding or good taste.
But what of appreciation and understanding of an artists work, if it is only the pomp cut from the relating circumstance?
Elgar in his own words, in a lecture at Birmingham University
“The commonplace mind can never be anything but commonplace, and no amount of education, no polish of a university, can eradicate the stain from the low type of mind which is the English commonplace,” he declared to a shocked room. “An Englishman will take you into a large room, beautifully proportioned, and will point out to you that it is white – all over white – and somebody will say, ‘What exquisite taste.’ You know in your own mind, in your own soul, that is not taste at all – that it is the want of taste, that it is mere evasion. English music is white, and evades everything.”
The celebrations for this Jubilee are far less than previous ones. Where we live, apart from the odd pub and shop trying to drum up a bit of extra trade there is zilch to indicate it is happening. When England are playing in a big tournament you would see 10 times the amount of bunting and flags.
By the time we get to King William I suspect it will have reduced to some form of Scandinavian-style monarchy bike-riding affair and most people will be quite content with that.
Top notch journalism
I'd have thought people would do the Forth Bridges, but Tower Bridge?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-11411360.amp
displayed Republican tendencies
The MoD have "invested" in Aeralis in the probably deluded hope that a functioning aircraft will somehow claw its way out of the money pit. They will probably be able to blackmail the RAF into buying some for the RA by threatening to go bankrupt if they don't get an order.
in two pieces on the pavement of Whitehall outside the Banqueting House
If we need a ceremonial head of state (which is what we have) why not simply rule out anyone who has held political office from standing? It really wouldn't be difficult
Not much happiness on the respiratory ward that I started on 30 something years ago. Someone died every day from Emphysema or lung cancer. The first being the worst way to go.