The Royal Standard is a really beautiful flag. It should be compulsory to fly it outside every British home, and in the homes in our sundry possessions, protectorates and The White Dominions, at 4.20pm
'In' the homes, not strong enough - you need it outside to spot the deviants who have not displayed theirs as they should.
Actually that reminds me, I'd best stick my own out the window quick.
I’m afraid the endearing ineptitude of that makes me more of a monarchist
Republicans always get their timing, tone and arguments wrong. Always wrong.
They will try again at the next coronation, and lose then too.
They will always lose.
Yep
The genius of a monarchy is its predictably human unpredictability. So it has inherent drama, like a soap opera, and we are all addicted, even when it takes a dark turn
So you get periods when it’s awful, ugh, Prince Andrew is a fiddler, yuk, and the Queen is nearly dead, oh no, and then suddenly you get a birth or a birthday or a wedding and then Yay, look, the Mall is lovely in the sun! - it reminds me of having a baby which is exactly like Brexit, no, it’s like bringing up a baby - you have periods when it is all nappies and what the F and then you get the first smile or the first word and happiness is unconfined
Except for the churlish, joyless republicans, but then I suspect they get a secret surly joy out of being churlish and joyless, so it’s all good
Joyless my arse , you slaver over a bunch of grifters, crooked, sexual deviants , ne'er do wells etc. A pox on your Royals.
I knew they missed a trick in not naming one of Will's children a good Scottish monarch name like Alexander, David, or Malcolm, then you'd have been on side
Archie is pretty Scoddish. Machiavellian Meghan sees the big schism picture and is on it..
So, the Jube is here and the weather playing ball. Turns out the road next to us is having a 'street party'. Found this out just yesterday. I was pretty mortified at first but I guess no harm. Might show my face briefly.
Why are you mortified?
Should I, as an atheist, be upset that the Seventh Day Adventist church round the corner uses impromptu food bank they run outside their church as a proselytizing operation?
Or should I smile at them?
But this is meant to be the very heart of North London metro left elitism - as reflected in house prices - so it's disappointing.
But as I say, I'll pop over for an hour or so. You have to do things you'd rather not sometimes. It's part of life.
What's so funny about your posts is that they're not ironic.
The Royal Standard is a really beautiful flag. It should be compulsory to fly it outside every British home, and in the homes in our sundry possessions, protectorates and The White Dominions, at 4.20pm
It's personal to Queenie. You only get to fly iy when she comes to stay.
So, the Jube is here and the weather playing ball. Turns out the road next to us is having a 'street party'. Found this out just yesterday. I was pretty mortified at first but I guess no harm. Might show my face briefly.
Why are you mortified?
Should I, as an atheist, be upset that the Seventh Day Adventist church round the corner uses impromptu food bank they run outside their church as a proselytizing operation?
Or should I smile at them?
But this is meant to be the very heart of North London metro left elitism - as reflected in house prices - so it's disappointing.
But as I say, I'll pop over for an hour or so. You have to do things you'd rather not sometimes. It's part of life.
What's so funny about your posts is that they're not ironic.
TBF I think he is trolling us here. At least I hope he is
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
5. Republicans, who wouldn't want to change it whilst Liz is around.
Yes, I'd see people moving from a 3 to a 4 - or even straight from a 2 to a 4 - once this long reigning and much respected individual has departed.
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
I'm not a monarchist, but we are where we are and I see some benefits. Cruel to the family in many ways but if they want to stick with it hey ho.
Out of interest, assuming that you (like me) were opposed to the Brexit Referendum why would you be in favour of a referendum on this?
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
It's doubtful that 40% would vote for a Republic atm.
So, the Jube is here and the weather playing ball. Turns out the road next to us is having a 'street party'. Found this out just yesterday. I was pretty mortified at first but I guess no harm. Might show my face briefly.
Why are you mortified?
Should I, as an atheist, be upset that the Seventh Day Adventist church round the corner uses impromptu food bank they run outside their church as a proselytizing operation?
Or should I smile at them?
But this is meant to be the very heart of North London metro left elitism - as reflected in house prices - so it's disappointing.
But as I say, I'll pop over for an hour or so. You have to do things you'd rather not sometimes. It's part of life.
What's so funny about your posts is that they're not ironic.
TBF I think he is trolling us here. At least I hope he is
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
Shame the people keep ignoring you.
Republicanism is growing. But that's fine you are still in the majority; you have your laurels and you can probably rest for a while. We'll wake you up if anything happens.
It's been growing for the last ten years, for sure. But then, it has flourished before - eg when we actually chopped off the king's head, and had a republic. But then we went back to Royalty
The madness of King George was a good time for republicanism, also the invisible period of ageing Victoria, likewise the Abdication, but we've never got as close as Cromwellian times ever since
To put it differently, support for a Republic peaked at 20% in 1993 (then fell back). Must have been Diana times? Right now it is about 25%. So you've gained 5 points in 30 years. At this rate you can expect to get your republic in 150 years time?
Unless, of course, support for a republic falls back again. As it has done for the last four centuries
Harry & Meghan, Andrew, people not sure about Charles, Brexit probably pollutes it a little bit, Corbyn didn't help etc.
But, we know William is very popular and he'll effectively be a deputy King as soon as Charles takes the throne.
So, i think it will all settle down and it will be fine.
Have to say, whatever you think of the monarchy, however cynical you are or down on Britain the Trooping of the Colour is bloody magnificent as a spectacle.
It knocks those big presidential parades such as Red Dquare and the French Bastille parade into a cocked hat - there’s something Victorian about it still so a gentle bit of time travel.
It’s almost, hopefully not being too wanky, a demonstration of an iron fist in a velvet glove by the military rather than the in your face bombast of other parades where they drive the tanks etc etc.
OTOH the horses sort of got outdated in September 1939. And it's not as if the MoD had had the sense to keep some old Churchill tanks for parades. They do those things better in Burma.
A visiting friend, from Iceland, commented that the combination of antique uniforms with modern rifles was an interesting touch.
Most other countries have parade units that carry parade weapons.
I was surprised they didn't keep some SMLEs or No 4s for that, especially as the new SA80 forced some changes to drill. Though apparently even changing to the SLR needed some changes to the drill.
When the SA-8x came in, there was an attempt to keep SLR, IIRC, because a bullpup is rubbish for most drill movements.
The decision to use the standard military rifle for parades was deliberate.
It’s not a bad very visible reminder to people that these guys are real fighting soldiers. A lot of people don’t realise that and just think they are display teams! Sort of “Red Arrows” on foot…..
Just as the Red Arrows are actual military pilots, not just hired to be in the display.
That's literally all they ever do. RAFAT has zero combat capability and isn't declared to NATO.
Have to say, whatever you think of the monarchy, however cynical you are or down on Britain the Trooping of the Colour is bloody magnificent as a spectacle.
It knocks those big presidential parades such as Red Dquare and the French Bastille parade into a cocked hat - there’s something Victorian about it still so a gentle bit of time travel.
It’s almost, hopefully not being too wanky, a demonstration of an iron fist in a velvet glove by the military rather than the in your face bombast of other parades where they drive the tanks etc etc.
OTOH the horses sort of got outdated in September 1939. And it's not as if the MoD had had the sense to keep some old Churchill tanks for parades. They do those things better in Burma.
A visiting friend, from Iceland, commented that the combination of antique uniforms with modern rifles was an interesting touch.
Most other countries have parade units that carry parade weapons.
I was surprised they didn't keep some SMLEs or No 4s for that, especially as the new SA80 forced some changes to drill. Though apparently even changing to the SLR needed some changes to the drill.
When the SA-8x came in, there was an attempt to keep SLR, IIRC, because a bullpup is rubbish for most drill movements.
The decision to use the standard military rifle for parades was deliberate.
It’s not a bad very visible reminder to people that these guys are real fighting soldiers. A lot of people don’t realise that and just think they are display teams! Sort of “Red Arrows” on foot…..
Just as the Red Arrows are actual military pilots, not just hired to be in the display.
OTOH they are forming an increasing percentage of the shrinking pool of fast jet pilots, and doing it pretty full-time. That is not sustainable, especially as the Hawk is not a front line plane (though that saves on fuel). It's also pretty long in the tooth, a T.1 mark IIRC, so must be needing replacement in a few years?
Yes, they get seconded to the display team from their regular squadron, usually for three years. They’ll go back if we get into a big war and need every trained pilot.
The Red Hawks are now very old as you say, the obsolete T1 model. BAe are supposedly delivering a new model soon to the training squadrons, so maybe they’ll upgrade RAFAT to the T2s currently in that role.
I’m afraid the endearing ineptitude of that makes me more of a monarchist
Republicans always get their timing, tone and arguments wrong. Always wrong.
They will try again at the next coronation, and lose then too.
They will always lose.
I believe in taking my thoughts straight to the enemy's stronghold, not just sniping opportunistically when the bootlickers are lost in the forest of trying explain away Andrew's sweaty, wandering hands.
This republican stands by his principles in any weather.
Yes.
You're the guy who charges straight at the machine gun nest across 400 yards of no man's land in full view, in the middle of the day, dressed in bright orange whilst carrying a pompous placard and an unloaded antique pistol.
We feel so sorry for you we don't even shoot you.
We just laugh at you as you flounder in the mud half-day across and wait for you to go home again.
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
So here I am. Yes, on This Of All Days. Just to remind the quiet 25% that they aren't alone. Have a lovely day.
Republicanism has been at 20% for at least 25 years.
2002-2019: only one poll above 20% for a republic 2020-now: only one poll BELOW 20% for a republic
It seems there's been an uptick for republicanism in the last couple of years. There were even three polls in a row up at 29%. I don't know whether lockdown, Brexit, or the imminence of King Charles III has changed people's views, but a few people are shifting to my side. A trickle, not a torrent.
Have to say, whatever you think of the monarchy, however cynical you are or down on Britain the Trooping of the Colour is bloody magnificent as a spectacle.
It knocks those big presidential parades such as Red Dquare and the French Bastille parade into a cocked hat - there’s something Victorian about it still so a gentle bit of time travel.
It’s almost, hopefully not being too wanky, a demonstration of an iron fist in a velvet glove by the military rather than the in your face bombast of other parades where they drive the tanks etc etc.
OTOH the horses sort of got outdated in September 1939. And it's not as if the MoD had had the sense to keep some old Churchill tanks for parades. They do those things better in Burma.
A visiting friend, from Iceland, commented that the combination of antique uniforms with modern rifles was an interesting touch.
Most other countries have parade units that carry parade weapons.
I was surprised they didn't keep some SMLEs or No 4s for that, especially as the new SA80 forced some changes to drill. Though apparently even changing to the SLR needed some changes to the drill.
When the SA-8x came in, there was an attempt to keep SLR, IIRC, because a bullpup is rubbish for most drill movements.
The decision to use the standard military rifle for parades was deliberate.
It’s not a bad very visible reminder to people that these guys are real fighting soldiers. A lot of people don’t realise that and just think they are display teams! Sort of “Red Arrows” on foot…..
Just as the Red Arrows are actual military pilots, not just hired to be in the display.
OTOH they are forming an increasing percentage of the shrinking pool of fast jet pilots, and doing it pretty full-time. That is not sustainable, especially as the Hawk is not a front line plane (though that saves on fuel). It's also pretty long in the tooth, a T.1 mark IIRC, so must be needing replacement in a few years?
The Royal Standard is a really beautiful flag. It should be compulsory to fly it outside every British home, and in the homes in our sundry possessions, protectorates and The White Dominions, at 4.20pm
It's personal to Queenie. You only get to fly iy when she comes to stay.
Or on a RN ship. You can tell which one has HMtQ amongst the doezens at a Review of the Fleet as it is the only vessel with the RS.
Reminded of my dad's account of the Coronation Review of the Fleet at Spithead 1952. Hundreds of RN ships from aircraft carriers down ti the littlest. On his destroyer they were at attention for many hours, after spending days/weeks repainting, and then ordered to weigh anchor and proceed with all despatch to whatever political hot zone was most looming at the time, on the other side of the world. Didn't even get a run ashore at Pompey to wet the crown.
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
Shame the people keep ignoring you.
Republicanism is growing. But that's fine you are still in the majority; you have your laurels and you can probably rest for a while. We'll wake you up if anything happens.
It's been growing for the last ten years, for sure. But then, it has flourished before - eg when we actually chopped off the king's head, and had a republic. But then we went back to Royalty
The madness of King George was a good time for republicanism, also the invisible period of ageing Victoria, likewise the Abdication, but we've never got as close as Cromwellian times ever since
To put it differently, support for a Republic peaked at 20% in 1993 (then fell back). Must have been Diana times? Right now it is about 25%. So you've gained 5 points in 30 years. At this rate you can expect to get your republic in 150 years time?
Unless, of course, support for a republic falls back again. As it has done for the last four centuries
Harry & Meghan, Andrew, people not sure about Charles, Brexit probably pollutes it a little bit, Corbyn didn't help etc.
But, we know William is very popular and he'll effectively be a deputy King as soon as Charles takes the throne.
So, i think it will all settle down and it will be fine.
Two words. President. Johnson.
You can vote a president out. Imagine a King Boris. What would you do then?
Have to say, whatever you think of the monarchy, however cynical you are or down on Britain the Trooping of the Colour is bloody magnificent as a spectacle.
It knocks those big presidential parades such as Red Dquare and the French Bastille parade into a cocked hat - there’s something Victorian about it still so a gentle bit of time travel.
It’s almost, hopefully not being too wanky, a demonstration of an iron fist in a velvet glove by the military rather than the in your face bombast of other parades where they drive the tanks etc etc.
OTOH the horses sort of got outdated in September 1939. And it's not as if the MoD had had the sense to keep some old Churchill tanks for parades. They do those things better in Burma.
A visiting friend, from Iceland, commented that the combination of antique uniforms with modern rifles was an interesting touch.
Most other countries have parade units that carry parade weapons.
I was surprised they didn't keep some SMLEs or No 4s for that, especially as the new SA80 forced some changes to drill. Though apparently even changing to the SLR needed some changes to the drill.
When the SA-8x came in, there was an attempt to keep SLR, IIRC, because a bullpup is rubbish for most drill movements.
The decision to use the standard military rifle for parades was deliberate.
It’s not a bad very visible reminder to people that these guys are real fighting soldiers. A lot of people don’t realise that and just think they are display teams! Sort of “Red Arrows” on foot…..
Just as the Red Arrows are actual military pilots, not just hired to be in the display.
OTOH they are forming an increasing percentage of the shrinking pool of fast jet pilots, and doing it pretty full-time. That is not sustainable, especially as the Hawk is not a front line plane (though that saves on fuel). It's also pretty long in the tooth, a T.1 mark IIRC, so must be needing replacement in a few years?
Do they not do hours in Typhoons just in case?
Perhaps more likely in the simulator, but yes, that woudl be wise - though not equivalent to being on a Typhoon squadron, admittedly.
I’m afraid the endearing ineptitude of that makes me more of a monarchist
Republicans always get their timing, tone and arguments wrong. Always wrong.
They will try again at the next coronation, and lose then too.
They will always lose.
I believe in taking my thoughts straight to the enemy's stronghold, not just sniping opportunistically when the bootlickers are lost in the forest of trying explain away Andrew's sweaty, wandering hands.
This republican stands by his principles in any weather.
Yes.
You're the guy who charges straight at the machine gun nest across 400 yards of no man's land in full view, in the middle of the day, dressed in bright orange whilst carrying a pompous placard and an unloaded antique pistol.
We feel so sorry for you we don't even shoot you.
We just laugh at you as you flounder in the mud half-day across and wait for you to go home again.
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
So here I am. Yes, on This Of All Days. Just to remind the quiet 25% that they aren't alone. Have a lovely day.
Republicanism has been at 20% for at least 25 years.
2002-2019: only one poll above 20% for a republic 2020-now: only one poll BELOW 20% for a republic
It seems there's been an uptick for republicanism in the last couple of years. There were even three polls in a row up at 29%. I don't know whether lockdown, Brexit, or the imminence of King Charles III has changed people's views, but a few people are shifting to my side. A trickle, not a torrent.
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
Shame the people keep ignoring you.
Republicanism is growing. But that's fine you are still in the majority; you have your laurels and you can probably rest for a while. We'll wake you up if anything happens.
It's been growing for the last ten years, for sure. But then, it has flourished before - eg when we actually chopped off the king's head, and had a republic. But then we went back to Royalty
The madness of King George was a good time for republicanism, also the invisible period of ageing Victoria, likewise the Abdication, but we've never got as close as Cromwellian times ever since
To put it differently, support for a Republic peaked at 20% in 1993 (then fell back). Must have been Diana times? Right now it is about 25%. So you've gained 5 points in 30 years. At this rate you can expect to get your republic in 150 years time?
Unless, of course, support for a republic falls back again. As it has done for the last four centuries
Harry & Meghan, Andrew, people not sure about Charles, Brexit probably pollutes it a little bit, Corbyn didn't help etc.
But, we know William is very popular and he'll effectively be a deputy King as soon as Charles takes the throne.
So, i think it will all settle down and it will be fine.
Two words. President. Johnson.
You can vote a president out. Imagine a King Boris. What would you do then?
Forced abdication. The firm is pretty good at self policing, they got rid of Edward VIII with more ruthlessness than the Tories have with Boris.
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
Shame the people keep ignoring you.
Republicanism is growing. But that's fine you are still in the majority; you have your laurels and you can probably rest for a while. We'll wake you up if anything happens.
It's been growing for the last ten years, for sure. But then, it has flourished before - eg when we actually chopped off the king's head, and had a republic. But then we went back to Royalty
The madness of King George was a good time for republicanism, also the invisible period of ageing Victoria, likewise the Abdication, but we've never got as close as Cromwellian times ever since
To put it differently, support for a Republic peaked at 20% in 1993 (then fell back). Must have been Diana times? Right now it is about 25%. So you've gained 5 points in 30 years. At this rate you can expect to get your republic in 150 years time?
Unless, of course, support for a republic falls back again. As it has done for the last four centuries
Harry & Meghan, Andrew, people not sure about Charles, Brexit probably pollutes it a little bit, Corbyn didn't help etc.
But, we know William is very popular and he'll effectively be a deputy King as soon as Charles takes the throne.
So, i think it will all settle down and it will be fine.
Two words. President. Johnson.
You can vote a president out. Imagine a King Boris. What would you do then?
He can't be King by definition as he was not born into the Royal Family, he could of course be elected President in a Republic though
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
I'd go 40/30/5/25
I'm 2 or 3. Haven't thought about which one. Cos, of course, nobody ever dreamt of asking little old me
I was 2 and am now 3. On a journey (most likely) to 4.
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
Shame the people keep ignoring you.
Republicanism is growing. But that's fine you are still in the majority; you have your laurels and you can probably rest for a while. We'll wake you up if anything happens.
It's been growing for the last ten years, for sure. But then, it has flourished before - eg when we actually chopped off the king's head, and had a republic. But then we went back to Royalty
The madness of King George was a good time for republicanism, also the invisible period of ageing Victoria, likewise the Abdication, but we've never got as close as Cromwellian times ever since
To put it differently, support for a Republic peaked at 20% in 1993 (then fell back). Must have been Diana times? Right now it is about 25%. So you've gained 5 points in 30 years. At this rate you can expect to get your republic in 150 years time?
Unless, of course, support for a republic falls back again. As it has done for the last four centuries
Harry & Meghan, Andrew, people not sure about Charles, Brexit probably pollutes it a little bit, Corbyn didn't help etc.
But, we know William is very popular and he'll effectively be a deputy King as soon as Charles takes the throne.
So, i think it will all settle down and it will be fine.
Two words. President. Johnson.
You can vote a president out. Imagine a King Boris. What would you do then?
Forced abdication. The firm is pretty good at self policing, they got rid of Edward VIII with more ruthlessness than the Tories have with Boris.
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
It's doubtful that 40% would vote for a Republic atm.
If Australia can't pass a republican referendum, what are the chances of the UK?
Australia's vote failed when it became obvious there was no clearly superior alternative, and that any transition would be painful, complex and benefit only a lot of wankers
It would be the same in the UK times 90,000. Imagine how many things would have to be ripped up and rebuilt to get to a republic, from our stamps and coins to the legal system, the royal navy, the army, the RAF, the whole system of parliament and crown, everything royal this and royal that, the royal British legion, the royal opera house, the royally infused British calendar, everything. It would be a revolutionary act and a kind of nihilism
People don't vote for pointless nihilistic change with no clearly better alternative. An actual referendum would be emphatically defeated. Polling expresses mere aspiration
Have to say, whatever you think of the monarchy, however cynical you are or down on Britain the Trooping of the Colour is bloody magnificent as a spectacle.
It knocks those big presidential parades such as Red Dquare and the French Bastille parade into a cocked hat - there’s something Victorian about it still so a gentle bit of time travel.
It’s almost, hopefully not being too wanky, a demonstration of an iron fist in a velvet glove by the military rather than the in your face bombast of other parades where they drive the tanks etc etc.
OTOH the horses sort of got outdated in September 1939. And it's not as if the MoD had had the sense to keep some old Churchill tanks for parades. They do those things better in Burma.
A visiting friend, from Iceland, commented that the combination of antique uniforms with modern rifles was an interesting touch.
Most other countries have parade units that carry parade weapons.
I was surprised they didn't keep some SMLEs or No 4s for that, especially as the new SA80 forced some changes to drill. Though apparently even changing to the SLR needed some changes to the drill.
When the SA-8x came in, there was an attempt to keep SLR, IIRC, because a bullpup is rubbish for most drill movements.
The decision to use the standard military rifle for parades was deliberate.
It’s not a bad very visible reminder to people that these guys are real fighting soldiers. A lot of people don’t realise that and just think they are display teams! Sort of “Red Arrows” on foot…..
Just as the Red Arrows are actual military pilots, not just hired to be in the display.
OTOH they are forming an increasing percentage of the shrinking pool of fast jet pilots, and doing it pretty full-time. That is not sustainable, especially as the Hawk is not a front line plane (though that saves on fuel). It's also pretty long in the tooth, a T.1 mark IIRC, so must be needing replacement in a few years?
Do they not do hours in Typhoons just in case?
No. RAFAT is a full time job. Interestingly the winter training was at Souda in Greece in this year. Possibly preparing for a post-Akrotiri future...
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
Shame the people keep ignoring you.
Republicanism is growing. But that's fine you are still in the majority; you have your laurels and you can probably rest for a while. We'll wake you up if anything happens.
It's been growing for the last ten years, for sure. But then, it has flourished before - eg when we actually chopped off the king's head, and had a republic. But then we went back to Royalty
The madness of King George was a good time for republicanism, also the invisible period of ageing Victoria, likewise the Abdication, but we've never got as close as Cromwellian times ever since
To put it differently, support for a Republic peaked at 20% in 1993 (then fell back). Must have been Diana times? Right now it is about 25%. So you've gained 5 points in 30 years. At this rate you can expect to get your republic in 150 years time?
Unless, of course, support for a republic falls back again. As it has done for the last four centuries
Harry & Meghan, Andrew, people not sure about Charles, Brexit probably pollutes it a little bit, Corbyn didn't help etc.
But, we know William is very popular and he'll effectively be a deputy King as soon as Charles takes the throne.
So, i think it will all settle down and it will be fine.
Two words. President. Johnson.
You can vote a president out. Imagine a King Boris. What would you do then?
You can vote a president out only if you can vote a president in. Since ours would be head of state only and not head of government as in France or America, that is not certain; Boris might be appointed president for life.
Have to say, whatever you think of the monarchy, however cynical you are or down on Britain the Trooping of the Colour is bloody magnificent as a spectacle.
It knocks those big presidential parades such as Red Dquare and the French Bastille parade into a cocked hat - there’s something Victorian about it still so a gentle bit of time travel.
It’s almost, hopefully not being too wanky, a demonstration of an iron fist in a velvet glove by the military rather than the in your face bombast of other parades where they drive the tanks etc etc.
OTOH the horses sort of got outdated in September 1939. And it's not as if the MoD had had the sense to keep some old Churchill tanks for parades. They do those things better in Burma.
A visiting friend, from Iceland, commented that the combination of antique uniforms with modern rifles was an interesting touch.
Most other countries have parade units that carry parade weapons.
I was surprised they didn't keep some SMLEs or No 4s for that, especially as the new SA80 forced some changes to drill. Though apparently even changing to the SLR needed some changes to the drill.
When the SA-8x came in, there was an attempt to keep SLR, IIRC, because a bullpup is rubbish for most drill movements.
The decision to use the standard military rifle for parades was deliberate.
It’s not a bad very visible reminder to people that these guys are real fighting soldiers. A lot of people don’t realise that and just think they are display teams! Sort of “Red Arrows” on foot…..
Just as the Red Arrows are actual military pilots, not just hired to be in the display.
That's literally all they ever do. RAFAT has zero combat capability and isn't declared to NATO.
That’s because they’re the display squadron! Still proper RAF pilots though, most of whom fly Typhoons before their time in the Reds, and go back to flying them afterwards.
I’m afraid the endearing ineptitude of that makes me more of a monarchist
Republicans always get their timing, tone and arguments wrong. Always wrong.
They will try again at the next coronation, and lose then too.
They will always lose.
I believe in taking my thoughts straight to the enemy's stronghold, not just sniping opportunistically when the bootlickers are lost in the forest of trying explain away Andrew's sweaty, wandering hands.
This republican stands by his principles in any weather.
Yes.
You're the guy who charges straight at the machine gun nest across 400 yards of no man's land in full view, in the middle of the day, dressed in bright orange whilst carrying a pompous placard and an unloaded antique pistol.
We feel so sorry for you we don't even shoot you.
We just laugh at you as you flounder in the mud half-day across and wait for you to go home again.
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
So here I am. Yes, on This Of All Days. Just to remind the quiet 25% that they aren't alone. Have a lovely day.
Republicanism has been at 20% for at least 25 years.
2002-2019: only one poll above 20% for a republic 2020-now: only one poll BELOW 20% for a republic
It seems there's been an uptick for republicanism in the last couple of years. There were even three polls in a row up at 29%. I don't know whether lockdown, Brexit, or the imminence of King Charles III has changed people's views, but a few people are shifting to my side. A trickle, not a torrent.
The 22% for a republic in the latest poll is even 10% less than the 32% who voted for AV in 2011 and even smaller than the 25% of Scots who voted against devolution in 1997 and the 28% of NI voters who voted against the GFA in 1998
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
Shame the people keep ignoring you.
Republicanism is growing. But that's fine you are still in the majority; you have your laurels and you can probably rest for a while. We'll wake you up if anything happens.
It's been growing for the last ten years, for sure. But then, it has flourished before - eg when we actually chopped off the king's head, and had a republic. But then we went back to Royalty
The madness of King George was a good time for republicanism, also the invisible period of ageing Victoria, likewise the Abdication, but we've never got as close as Cromwellian times ever since
To put it differently, support for a Republic peaked at 20% in 1993 (then fell back). Must have been Diana times? Right now it is about 25%. So you've gained 5 points in 30 years. At this rate you can expect to get your republic in 150 years time?
Unless, of course, support for a republic falls back again. As it has done for the last four centuries
Harry & Meghan, Andrew, people not sure about Charles, Brexit probably pollutes it a little bit, Corbyn didn't help etc.
But, we know William is very popular and he'll effectively be a deputy King as soon as Charles takes the throne.
So, i think it will all settle down and it will be fine.
Two words. President. Johnson.
You can vote a president out. Imagine a King Boris. What would you do then?
There are ways to get rid of bad monarchs. Doesn't usually work out well for the monarch though.
One who acted (openly) like Boris would see the institution end in a week.
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
I'd go 40/30/5/25
Ok, I'll consider that edit. 5% seems low to me for (3) but maybe that's only because I'm a (3).
Whatever your views on the monarchy you could at least show her a bit of respect and some grace.
Fuck her and fuck every single member of her revolting family.
Hahaha
That's it then. That's Actual Jubilee. @Dura_Ace has gotten off his sofa, wearing his off-white anarchist y-fronts, and has kicked in the TV screen, scattering Ukrainians
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
Shame the people keep ignoring you.
Republicanism is growing. But that's fine you are still in the majority; you have your laurels and you can probably rest for a while. We'll wake you up if anything happens.
It's been growing for the last ten years, for sure. But then, it has flourished before - eg when we actually chopped off the king's head, and had a republic. But then we went back to Royalty
The madness of King George was a good time for republicanism, also the invisible period of ageing Victoria, likewise the Abdication, but we've never got as close as Cromwellian times ever since
To put it differently, support for a Republic peaked at 20% in 1993 (then fell back). Must have been Diana times? Right now it is about 25%. So you've gained 5 points in 30 years. At this rate you can expect to get your republic in 150 years time?
Unless, of course, support for a republic falls back again. As it has done for the last four centuries
Harry & Meghan, Andrew, people not sure about Charles, Brexit probably pollutes it a little bit, Corbyn didn't help etc.
But, we know William is very popular and he'll effectively be a deputy King as soon as Charles takes the throne.
So, i think it will all settle down and it will be fine.
Two words. President. Johnson.
You can vote a president out. Imagine a King Boris. What would you do then?
Forced abdication. The firm is pretty good at self policing, they got rid of Edward VIII with more ruthlessness than the Tories have with Boris.
Who gets to decide that? Why not the people?
It is ultimately the people, the firm is very good at seeing which way the wind is blowing.
They know they're always one bad monarch and a referendum away from living in a council estate.
Have to say, whatever you think of the monarchy, however cynical you are or down on Britain the Trooping of the Colour is bloody magnificent as a spectacle.
It knocks those big presidential parades such as Red Dquare and the French Bastille parade into a cocked hat - there’s something Victorian about it still so a gentle bit of time travel.
It’s almost, hopefully not being too wanky, a demonstration of an iron fist in a velvet glove by the military rather than the in your face bombast of other parades where they drive the tanks etc etc.
OTOH the horses sort of got outdated in September 1939. And it's not as if the MoD had had the sense to keep some old Churchill tanks for parades. They do those things better in Burma.
A visiting friend, from Iceland, commented that the combination of antique uniforms with modern rifles was an interesting touch.
Most other countries have parade units that carry parade weapons.
I was surprised they didn't keep some SMLEs or No 4s for that, especially as the new SA80 forced some changes to drill. Though apparently even changing to the SLR needed some changes to the drill.
When the SA-8x came in, there was an attempt to keep SLR, IIRC, because a bullpup is rubbish for most drill movements.
The decision to use the standard military rifle for parades was deliberate.
It’s not a bad very visible reminder to people that these guys are real fighting soldiers. A lot of people don’t realise that and just think they are display teams! Sort of “Red Arrows” on foot…..
Just as the Red Arrows are actual military pilots, not just hired to be in the display.
OTOH they are forming an increasing percentage of the shrinking pool of fast jet pilots, and doing it pretty full-time. That is not sustainable, especially as the Hawk is not a front line plane (though that saves on fuel). It's also pretty long in the tooth, a T.1 mark IIRC, so must be needing replacement in a few years?
Do they not do hours in Typhoons just in case?
No. RAFAT is a full time job. Interestingly the winter training was at Souda in Greece in this year. Possibly preparing for a post-Akrotiri future...
Are there moves in that direction or is just sensible contingency?
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
Shame the people keep ignoring you.
Republicanism is growing. But that's fine you are still in the majority; you have your laurels and you can probably rest for a while. We'll wake you up if anything happens.
It's been growing for the last ten years, for sure. But then, it has flourished before - eg when we actually chopped off the king's head, and had a republic. But then we went back to Royalty
The madness of King George was a good time for republicanism, also the invisible period of ageing Victoria, likewise the Abdication, but we've never got as close as Cromwellian times ever since
To put it differently, support for a Republic peaked at 20% in 1993 (then fell back). Must have been Diana times? Right now it is about 25%. So you've gained 5 points in 30 years. At this rate you can expect to get your republic in 150 years time?
Unless, of course, support for a republic falls back again. As it has done for the last four centuries
Harry & Meghan, Andrew, people not sure about Charles, Brexit probably pollutes it a little bit, Corbyn didn't help etc.
But, we know William is very popular and he'll effectively be a deputy King as soon as Charles takes the throne.
So, i think it will all settle down and it will be fine.
Two words. President. Johnson.
You can vote a president out. Imagine a King Boris. What would you do then?
He can't be King by definition as he was not born into the Royal Family, he could of course be elected President in a Republic though
That's why I asked "a" King Boris. As in, someone like him (or worse).
Ok, if you insist on something hyperliteral, what about King Andy? A little bout of monkeypox spreads through "The Firm". 8 specific deaths and BOOM, Chancy 'Drew is king. Now what?
Whatever your views on the monarchy you could at least show her a bit of respect and some grace.
Fuck her and fuck every single member of her revolting family.
Hahaha
That's it then. That's Actual Jubilee. @Dura_Ace has gotten off his sofa, wearing his off-white anarchist y-fronts, and has kicked in the TV screen, scattering Ukrainians
I’m afraid the endearing ineptitude of that makes me more of a monarchist
Republicans always get their timing, tone and arguments wrong. Always wrong.
They will try again at the next coronation, and lose then too.
They will always lose.
Yep
The genius of a monarchy is its predictably human unpredictability. So it has inherent drama, like a soap opera, and we are all addicted, even when it takes a dark turn
So you get periods when it’s awful, ugh, Prince Andrew is a fiddler, yuk, and the Queen is nearly dead, oh no, and then suddenly you get a birth or a birthday or a wedding and then Yay, look, the Mall is lovely in the sun! - it reminds me of having a baby which is exactly like Brexit, no, it’s like bringing up a baby - you have periods when it is all nappies and what the F and then you get the first smile or the first word and happiness is unconfined
Except for the churlish, joyless republicans, but then I suspect they get a secret surly joy out of being churlish and joyless, so it’s all good
Yes, they are rude, humourless, joyless, self-obsessed and rather pompous people.
Nobody can watch Trooping the Colour today and tell us that a republic would better; still less an elected head of state that would command neither the history, prestige or magic of a monarchial family stretching back 1,000 years nor provide its continuity or unity. It wouldn't help in providing a unifying role for the State above the dirty squabbles and pettiness of day to day politics and political behaviour. And nor would it aid Britain in enhancing its profile and admiration around the world.
Republics are either political and divisive, or entirely forgettable and boring.
I have no desire to replace something so magical and wonderful that works so well for us to satisfy the neurosis and insecurities of a small minority.
Blimey, all that rage against people who simply have the temerity to believe our head of state should not be an hereditary position. Hardly a bizarre notion across most of the world.
You need to reign it in or in a few years you are going to find yourself sat on the Mall in the pouring rain at midnight with your union Jack underpants on your head.
Have to say, whatever you think of the monarchy, however cynical you are or down on Britain the Trooping of the Colour is bloody magnificent as a spectacle.
It knocks those big presidential parades such as Red Dquare and the French Bastille parade into a cocked hat - there’s something Victorian about it still so a gentle bit of time travel.
It’s almost, hopefully not being too wanky, a demonstration of an iron fist in a velvet glove by the military rather than the in your face bombast of other parades where they drive the tanks etc etc.
OTOH the horses sort of got outdated in September 1939. And it's not as if the MoD had had the sense to keep some old Churchill tanks for parades. They do those things better in Burma.
A visiting friend, from Iceland, commented that the combination of antique uniforms with modern rifles was an interesting touch.
Most other countries have parade units that carry parade weapons.
I was surprised they didn't keep some SMLEs or No 4s for that, especially as the new SA80 forced some changes to drill. Though apparently even changing to the SLR needed some changes to the drill.
When the SA-8x came in, there was an attempt to keep SLR, IIRC, because a bullpup is rubbish for most drill movements.
The decision to use the standard military rifle for parades was deliberate.
It’s not a bad very visible reminder to people that these guys are real fighting soldiers. A lot of people don’t realise that and just think they are display teams! Sort of “Red Arrows” on foot…..
Just as the Red Arrows are actual military pilots, not just hired to be in the display.
OTOH they are forming an increasing percentage of the shrinking pool of fast jet pilots, and doing it pretty full-time. That is not sustainable, especially as the Hawk is not a front line plane (though that saves on fuel). It's also pretty long in the tooth, a T.1 mark IIRC, so must be needing replacement in a few years?
The life of the Hawk T1 is governed by the availability of no longer manufactured parts. The crucial item is canopies. Once they are all consumed the Hawk T1 is done. This year the tories scrapped 100 Sqdn and 736NAS so that freed up a lot of Hawk airframes that can be RTPed for components so the T1 is probably good out to 2030.
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
Shame the people keep ignoring you.
Republicanism is growing. But that's fine you are still in the majority; you have your laurels and you can probably rest for a while. We'll wake you up if anything happens.
It's been growing for the last ten years, for sure. But then, it has flourished before - eg when we actually chopped off the king's head, and had a republic. But then we went back to Royalty
The madness of King George was a good time for republicanism, also the invisible period of ageing Victoria, likewise the Abdication, but we've never got as close as Cromwellian times ever since
To put it differently, support for a Republic peaked at 20% in 1993 (then fell back). Must have been Diana times? Right now it is about 25%. So you've gained 5 points in 30 years. At this rate you can expect to get your republic in 150 years time?
Unless, of course, support for a republic falls back again. As it has done for the last four centuries
Harry & Meghan, Andrew, people not sure about Charles, Brexit probably pollutes it a little bit, Corbyn didn't help etc.
But, we know William is very popular and he'll effectively be a deputy King as soon as Charles takes the throne.
So, i think it will all settle down and it will be fine.
Two words. President. Johnson.
You can vote a president out. Imagine a King Boris. What would you do then?
Forced abdication. The firm is pretty good at self policing, they got rid of Edward VIII with more ruthlessness than the Tories have with Boris.
Who gets to decide that? Why not the people?
It is ultimately the people, the firm is very good at seeing which way the wind is blowing.
They know they're always one bad monarch and a referendum away from living in a council estate.
I doubt even if that ever came to pass they would live on a council estate, the ex King of Greece lived in Hampstead in a £6 million mansion
I’m afraid the endearing ineptitude of that makes me more of a monarchist
Republicans always get their timing, tone and arguments wrong. Always wrong.
They will try again at the next coronation, and lose then too.
They will always lose.
I believe in taking my thoughts straight to the enemy's stronghold, not just sniping opportunistically when the bootlickers are lost in the forest of trying explain away Andrew's sweaty, wandering hands.
This republican stands by his principles in any weather.
Yes.
You're the guy who charges straight at the machine gun nest across 400 yards of no man's land in full view, in the middle of the day, dressed in bright orange whilst carrying a pompous placard and an unloaded antique pistol.
We feel so sorry for you we don't even shoot you.
We just laugh at you as you flounder in the mud half-day across and wait for you to go home again.
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
So here I am. Yes, on This Of All Days. Just to remind the quiet 25% that they aren't alone. Have a lovely day.
Republicanism has been at 20% for at least 25 years.
2002-2019: only one poll above 20% for a republic 2020-now: only one poll BELOW 20% for a republic
It seems there's been an uptick for republicanism in the last couple of years. There were even three polls in a row up at 29%. I don't know whether lockdown, Brexit, or the imminence of King Charles III has changed people's views, but a few people are shifting to my side. A trickle, not a torrent.
The 22% for a republic in the latest poll is even 10% less than the 32% who voted for AV in 2011 and even smaller than the 25% of Scots who voted against devolution in 1997 and the 28% of NI voters who voted against the GFA in 1998
But it's more than the polling percentage of voters in Scotland (not the same thing as a 'Scot', rmemeber) intending to vote for the Tories at Westminster. So you have no reason to be snotty.
I’m afraid the endearing ineptitude of that makes me more of a monarchist
Republicans always get their timing, tone and arguments wrong. Always wrong.
They will try again at the next coronation, and lose then too.
They will always lose.
I believe in taking my thoughts straight to the enemy's stronghold, not just sniping opportunistically when the bootlickers are lost in the forest of trying explain away Andrew's sweaty, wandering hands.
This republican stands by his principles in any weather.
Yes.
You're the guy who charges straight at the machine gun nest across 400 yards of no man's land in full view, in the middle of the day, dressed in bright orange whilst carrying a pompous placard and an unloaded antique pistol.
We feel so sorry for you we don't even shoot you.
We just laugh at you as you flounder in the mud half-day across and wait for you to go home again.
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
So here I am. Yes, on This Of All Days. Just to remind the quiet 25% that they aren't alone. Have a lovely day.
Republicanism has been at 20% for at least 25 years.
2002-2019: only one poll above 20% for a republic 2020-now: only one poll BELOW 20% for a republic
It seems there's been an uptick for republicanism in the last couple of years. There were even three polls in a row up at 29%. I don't know whether lockdown, Brexit, or the imminence of King Charles III has changed people's views, but a few people are shifting to my side. A trickle, not a torrent.
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
We have had far too many referendums recently, we are a government of parliamentary democracy not direct democracy.
Though obviously there would never be a referendum on the monarchy under a Tory government, if it happened it would be under a Labour government, though even Starmer has said he now backs a reformed monarchy having replaced the republican Corbyn.
Note in Australia it is only the arrival of a Labor government that has put a republic on the agenda again but even there opinion is divided and any referendum will probably have to wait for a second term, if Labor is re elected. In 1999 of course Australians voted 55% to keep the monarchy
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
It's doubtful that 40% would vote for a Republic atm.
If Australia can't pass a republican referendum, what are the chances of the UK?
Australia's vote failed when it became obvious there was no clearly superior alternative, and that any transition would be painful, complex and benefit only a lot of wankers
It would be the same in the UK times 90,000. Imagine how many things would have to be ripped up and rebuilt to get to a republic, from our stamps and coins to the legal system, the royal navy, the army, the RAF, the whole system of parliament and crown, everything royal this and royal that, the royal British legion, the royal opera house, the royally infused British calendar, everything. It would be a revolutionary act and a kind of nihilism
People don't vote for pointless nihilistic change with no clearly better alternative. An actual referendum would be emphatically defeated. Polling expresses mere aspiration
It would be good if HMQ had had the balls to tell bojo where to stuff his prorogation in 2019 though. Made one think there was a bit of point to her.
I’m afraid the endearing ineptitude of that makes me more of a monarchist
Republicans always get their timing, tone and arguments wrong. Always wrong.
They will try again at the next coronation, and lose then too.
They will always lose.
I believe in taking my thoughts straight to the enemy's stronghold, not just sniping opportunistically when the bootlickers are lost in the forest of trying explain away Andrew's sweaty, wandering hands.
This republican stands by his principles in any weather.
Yes.
You're the guy who charges straight at the machine gun nest across 400 yards of no man's land in full view, in the middle of the day, dressed in bright orange whilst carrying a pompous placard and an unloaded antique pistol.
We feel so sorry for you we don't even shoot you.
We just laugh at you as you flounder in the mud half-day across and wait for you to go home again.
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
So here I am. Yes, on This Of All Days. Just to remind the quiet 25% that they aren't alone. Have a lovely day.
Republicanism has been at 20% for at least 25 years.
2002-2019: only one poll above 20% for a republic 2020-now: only one poll BELOW 20% for a republic
It seems there's been an uptick for republicanism in the last couple of years. There were even three polls in a row up at 29%. I don't know whether lockdown, Brexit, or the imminence of King Charles III has changed people's views, but a few people are shifting to my side. A trickle, not a torrent.
The 22% for a republic in the latest poll is even 10% less than the 32% who voted for AV in 2011 and even smaller than the 25% of Scots who voted against devolution in 1997 and the 28% of NI voters who voted against the GFA in 1998
But it's more than the polling percentage of voters in Scotland (not the same thing as a 'Scot', rmemeber) intending to vote for the Tories at Westminster. So you have no reason to be snotty.
Less than the 25% of Scots who voted Tory in the general election of 2019 and no higher than the number who voted Tory at Holyrood last year either
Whatever your views on the monarchy you could at least show her a bit of respect and some grace.
Fuck her and fuck every single member of her revolting family.
Hahaha
That's it then. That's Actual Jubilee. @Dura_Ace has gotten off his sofa, wearing his off-white anarchist y-fronts, and has kicked in the TV screen, scattering Ukrainians
This is the moment. God save 'er maj
Best Trooping Of The Colour EVER
The horses are AMAZING
❤️ 🇬🇧
I tried to answer your 2 questions btw. To the best of my ability. Was a while ago now.
I’m afraid the endearing ineptitude of that makes me more of a monarchist
Republicans always get their timing, tone and arguments wrong. Always wrong.
They will try again at the next coronation, and lose then too.
They will always lose.
I believe in taking my thoughts straight to the enemy's stronghold, not just sniping opportunistically when the bootlickers are lost in the forest of trying explain away Andrew's sweaty, wandering hands.
This republican stands by his principles in any weather.
Yes.
You're the guy who charges straight at the machine gun nest across 400 yards of no man's land in full view, in the middle of the day, dressed in bright orange whilst carrying a pompous placard and an unloaded antique pistol.
We feel so sorry for you we don't even shoot you.
We just laugh at you as you flounder in the mud half-day across and wait for you to go home again.
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
So here I am. Yes, on This Of All Days. Just to remind the quiet 25% that they aren't alone. Have a lovely day.
Republicanism has been at 20% for at least 25 years.
2002-2019: only one poll above 20% for a republic 2020-now: only one poll BELOW 20% for a republic
It seems there's been an uptick for republicanism in the last couple of years. There were even three polls in a row up at 29%. I don't know whether lockdown, Brexit, or the imminence of King Charles III has changed people's views, but a few people are shifting to my side. A trickle, not a torrent.
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
Shame the people keep ignoring you.
Republicanism is growing. But that's fine you are still in the majority; you have your laurels and you can probably rest for a while. We'll wake you up if anything happens.
It's been growing for the last ten years, for sure. But then, it has flourished before - eg when we actually chopped off the king's head, and had a republic. But then we went back to Royalty
The madness of King George was a good time for republicanism, also the invisible period of ageing Victoria, likewise the Abdication, but we've never got as close as Cromwellian times ever since
To put it differently, support for a Republic peaked at 20% in 1993 (then fell back). Must have been Diana times? Right now it is about 25%. So you've gained 5 points in 30 years. At this rate you can expect to get your republic in 150 years time?
Unless, of course, support for a republic falls back again. As it has done for the last four centuries
Harry & Meghan, Andrew, people not sure about Charles, Brexit probably pollutes it a little bit, Corbyn didn't help etc.
But, we know William is very popular and he'll effectively be a deputy King as soon as Charles takes the throne.
So, i think it will all settle down and it will be fine.
Two words. President. Johnson.
You can vote a president out. Imagine a King Boris. What would you do then?
Forced abdication. The firm is pretty good at self policing, they got rid of Edward VIII with more ruthlessness than the Tories have with Boris.
Who gets to decide that? Why not the people?
It is ultimately the people, the firm is very good at seeing which way the wind is blowing.
They know they're always one bad monarch and a referendum away from living in a council estate.
I doubt even if that ever came to pass they would live on a council estate, the ex King of Greece lived in Hampstead in a £6 million mansion
Time to update my profile pic on this momentous day.
I'm a fan. The army wouldn't wear it, but I do wonder what would have happened had he taken the crown officially, or picked a different son to succeed him who was more able and able to work the different sides.
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
We have had far too many referendums recently, we are a government of parliamentary democracy not direct democracy.
Though obviously there would never be a referendum on the monarchy under a Tory government, if it happened it would be under a Labour government, though even Starmer has said he now backs a reformed monarchy having replaced the republican Corbyn.
Note in Australia it is only the arrival of a Labor government that has put a republic on the agenda again but even there opinion is divided and any referendum will probably have to wait for a second term, if Labor is re elected. In 1999 of course Australians voted 55% to keep the monarchy
I expect a referendum in Australia within 5 years, probably in Labor's second term if Albanese is re elected.
I would not rule out the monarchy scraping home though, while the cities will vote for a republic, rural and small town and outer suburban Australia is much less keen.
In 1999 for example Queensland was over 60% to keep the monarchy
Have to say, whatever you think of the monarchy, however cynical you are or down on Britain the Trooping of the Colour is bloody magnificent as a spectacle.
It knocks those big presidential parades such as Red Dquare and the French Bastille parade into a cocked hat - there’s something Victorian about it still so a gentle bit of time travel.
It’s almost, hopefully not being too wanky, a demonstration of an iron fist in a velvet glove by the military rather than the in your face bombast of other parades where they drive the tanks etc etc.
OTOH the horses sort of got outdated in September 1939. And it's not as if the MoD had had the sense to keep some old Churchill tanks for parades. They do those things better in Burma.
A visiting friend, from Iceland, commented that the combination of antique uniforms with modern rifles was an interesting touch.
Most other countries have parade units that carry parade weapons.
I was surprised they didn't keep some SMLEs or No 4s for that, especially as the new SA80 forced some changes to drill. Though apparently even changing to the SLR needed some changes to the drill.
When the SA-8x came in, there was an attempt to keep SLR, IIRC, because a bullpup is rubbish for most drill movements.
The decision to use the standard military rifle for parades was deliberate.
It’s not a bad very visible reminder to people that these guys are real fighting soldiers. A lot of people don’t realise that and just think they are display teams! Sort of “Red Arrows” on foot…..
Just as the Red Arrows are actual military pilots, not just hired to be in the display.
OTOH they are forming an increasing percentage of the shrinking pool of fast jet pilots, and doing it pretty full-time. That is not sustainable, especially as the Hawk is not a front line plane (though that saves on fuel). It's also pretty long in the tooth, a T.1 mark IIRC, so must be needing replacement in a few years?
Do they not do hours in Typhoons just in case?
No. RAFAT is a full time job. Interestingly the winter training was at Souda in Greece in this year. Possibly preparing for a post-Akrotiri future...
Are there moves in that direction or is just sensible contingency?
Akrotiri is very expensive and exists mainly to... er.. defend the airspace around Akrotiri. There is a lot of sneaky beaky SIGINT/ELINT stuff going on there that would probably stay and doesn't need a fully functional airfield.
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
5. Republicans, who wouldn't want to change it whilst Liz is around.
I am sure that London Bridge will be an over the top event, but after that things may well fall apart for the Monarchy as other Commonwealth countries become republics. I suspect it will carry on for the forseable future in England as the irrelevant anachronism that it is. The real test will be when a total shit becomes monarch, as has happened a number of times in the past, and will at some point happen again, such is the genetic lottery of monarchy.
Have to say, whatever you think of the monarchy, however cynical you are or down on Britain the Trooping of the Colour is bloody magnificent as a spectacle.
It knocks those big presidential parades such as Red Dquare and the French Bastille parade into a cocked hat - there’s something Victorian about it still so a gentle bit of time travel.
It’s almost, hopefully not being too wanky, a demonstration of an iron fist in a velvet glove by the military rather than the in your face bombast of other parades where they drive the tanks etc etc.
OTOH the horses sort of got outdated in September 1939. And it's not as if the MoD had had the sense to keep some old Churchill tanks for parades. They do those things better in Burma.
A visiting friend, from Iceland, commented that the combination of antique uniforms with modern rifles was an interesting touch.
Most other countries have parade units that carry parade weapons.
I was surprised they didn't keep some SMLEs or No 4s for that, especially as the new SA80 forced some changes to drill. Though apparently even changing to the SLR needed some changes to the drill.
When the SA-8x came in, there was an attempt to keep SLR, IIRC, because a bullpup is rubbish for most drill movements.
The decision to use the standard military rifle for parades was deliberate.
It’s not a bad very visible reminder to people that these guys are real fighting soldiers. A lot of people don’t realise that and just think they are display teams! Sort of “Red Arrows” on foot…..
Just as the Red Arrows are actual military pilots, not just hired to be in the display.
OTOH they are forming an increasing percentage of the shrinking pool of fast jet pilots, and doing it pretty full-time. That is not sustainable, especially as the Hawk is not a front line plane (though that saves on fuel). It's also pretty long in the tooth, a T.1 mark IIRC, so must be needing replacement in a few years?
Do they not do hours in Typhoons just in case?
No. RAFAT is a full time job. Interestingly the winter training was at Souda in Greece in this year. Possibly preparing for a post-Akrotiri future...
Are there moves in that direction or is just sensible contingency?
Akrotiri is very expensive and exists mainly to... er.. defend the airspace around Akrotiri. There is a lot of sneaky beaky SIGINT/ELINT stuff going on there that would probably stay and doesn't need a fully functional airfield.
I suppose a problem in these matters is if you get rid and change your mind, you ain't getting something like it back.
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"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
It's doubtful that 40% would vote for a Republic atm.
If Australia can't pass a republican referendum, what are the chances of the UK?
Australia's vote failed when it became obvious there was no clearly superior alternative, and that any transition would be painful, complex and benefit only a lot of wankers
It would be the same in the UK times 90,000. Imagine how many things would have to be ripped up and rebuilt to get to a republic, from our stamps and coins to the legal system, the royal navy, the army, the RAF, the whole system of parliament and crown, everything royal this and royal that, the royal British legion, the royal opera house, the royally infused British calendar, everything. It would be a revolutionary act and a kind of nihilism
People don't vote for pointless nihilistic change with no clearly better alternative. An actual referendum would be emphatically defeated. Polling expresses mere aspiration
It would be good if HMQ had had the balls to tell bojo where to stuff his prorogation in 2019 though. Made one think there was a bit of point to her.
As someone who strongly opposed the 2019 prorogation, I have to say this is absolute nonsense. As soon as the Monarch starts second guessing the PM on use of prerogative powers, the monarchy is politicised and doomed. This is exactly how monarchies die in democracies - they get involved in tussles with elected leaders, and only need to misjudge one and are finished.
The prorogation was challenged in the courts and found to be illegal. HMQ didn't need to tell anyone where to stuff anything and, whilst I'd have rather enjoyed it at the time, it's pretty clear she was sensible to stay out of it.
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
It's doubtful that 40% would vote for a Republic atm.
If Australia can't pass a republican referendum, what are the chances of the UK?
Australia's vote failed when it became obvious there was no clearly superior alternative, and that any transition would be painful, complex and benefit only a lot of wankers
It would be the same in the UK times 90,000. Imagine how many things would have to be ripped up and rebuilt to get to a republic, from our stamps and coins to the legal system, the royal navy, the army, the RAF, the whole system of parliament and crown, everything royal this and royal that, the royal British legion, the royal opera house, the royally infused British calendar, everything. It would be a revolutionary act and a kind of nihilism
People don't vote for pointless nihilistic change with no clearly better alternative. An actual referendum would be emphatically defeated. Polling expresses mere aspiration
It would be good if HMQ had had the balls to tell bojo where to stuff his prorogation in 2019 though. Made one think there was a bit of point to her.
People said that at the time but some of it was pretty disingenous - since would a committed republican really be saying they wanted the unelected, ceremonial, head of state to have the actual (not just theoretical) power to countermand the democratic head of government? Of course they wouldn't.
I see your President Johnson and raise you the possibility of a future King Randy Andy.
Nonsense, because if he had been in line he'd have had an income which would leave him above the fray of sucking up to that Epstein bloke, and superior totty procured for him by proper professional courtiers and MI5 to shoot dead anyone who felt like going to the press about it.
Time to update my profile pic on this momentous day.
I'm a fan. The army wouldn't wear it, but I do wonder what would have happened had he taken the crown officially, or picked a different son to succeed him who was more able and able to work the different sides.
Fascinatingly, Cromwell was able to trace his family back to pre-Norman times: they were Anglo-Saxon nobility
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"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
.
Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
We have had far too many referendums recently, we are a government of parliamentary democracy not direct democracy.
Though obviously there would never be a referendum on the monarchy under a Tory government, if it happened it would be under a Labour government, though even Starmer has said he now backs a reformed monarchy having replaced the republican Corbyn.
Note in Australia it is only the arrival of a Labor government that has put a republic on the agenda again but even there opinion is divided and any referendum will probably have to wait for a second term, if Labor is re elected. In 1999 of course Australians voted 55% to keep the monarchy
I expect a referendum in Australia within 5 years, probably in Labor's second term if Albanese is re elected.
I would not rule out the monarchy scraping home though, while the cities will vote for a republic, rural and small town and outer suburban Australia is much less keen.
In 1999 for example Queensland was over 60% to keep the monarchy
Rather crucially, well over 80% of Aussies live in cities.
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
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Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
It's doubtful that 40% would vote for a Republic atm.
If Australia can't pass a republican referendum, what are the chances of the UK?
Australia's vote failed when it became obvious there was no clearly superior alternative, and that any transition would be painful, complex and benefit only a lot of wankers
It would be the same in the UK times 90,000. Imagine how many things would have to be ripped up and rebuilt to get to a republic, from our stamps and coins to the legal system, the royal navy, the army, the RAF, the whole system of parliament and crown, everything royal this and royal that, the royal British legion, the royal opera house, the royally infused British calendar, everything. It would be a revolutionary act and a kind of nihilism
People don't vote for pointless nihilistic change with no clearly better alternative. An actual referendum would be emphatically defeated. Polling expresses mere aspiration
It would be good if HMQ had had the balls to tell bojo where to stuff his prorogation in 2019 though. Made one think there was a bit of point to her.
People said that at the time but some of it was pretty disingenous - since would a committed republican really be saying they wanted the unelected, ceremonial, head of state to have the actual (not just theoretical) power to countermand the democratic head of government? Of course they wouldn't.
Well, why could it not be a committed monarchist saying it? But the point is there is nonobdy to tell Boris to fuck off; a president would be able to
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
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Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
It's doubtful that 40% would vote for a Republic atm.
If Australia can't pass a republican referendum, what are the chances of the UK?
Australia's vote failed when it became obvious there was no clearly superior alternative, and that any transition would be painful, complex and benefit only a lot of wankers
It would be the same in the UK times 90,000. Imagine how many things would have to be ripped up and rebuilt to get to a republic, from our stamps and coins to the legal system, the royal navy, the army, the RAF, the whole system of parliament and crown, everything royal this and royal that, the royal British legion, the royal opera house, the royally infused British calendar, everything. It would be a revolutionary act and a kind of nihilism
People don't vote for pointless nihilistic change with no clearly better alternative. An actual referendum would be emphatically defeated. Polling expresses mere aspiration
It would be good if HMQ had had the balls to tell bojo where to stuff his prorogation in 2019 though. Made one think there was a bit of point to her.
As someone who strongly opposed the 2019 prorogation, I have to say this is absolute nonsense. As soon as the Monarch starts second guessing the PM on use of prerogative powers, the monarchy is politicised and doomed. This is exactly how monarchies die in democracies - they get involved in tussles with elected leaders, and only need to misjudge one and are finished.
The prorogation was challenged in the courts and found to be illegal. HMQ didn't need to tell anyone where to stuff anything and, whilst I'd have rather enjoyed it at the time, it's pretty clear she was sensible to stay out of it.
HMtQ crossed that line in the Scottish referendum: a toe, perhaps, but a toe too far.
"No man's land" is surprisingly crowded these days. A good one in six are undecided on keeping the monarchy. On my side of the lines, we've got about a quarter of the population.
Surprised? Me too. Seems like there's a problem with those voices of republicans getting heard despite our numbers growing.
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Really? That sounds a bit dramatic to me, I've never noticed republicans having difficulty getting heard in any context.
Perhaps it's just a perception bias. I was surprised to find that there's as much support as there is for a republic. I thought, much like Casino_Royale, that numbers were small.
Same here. I'm surprised by how much Republican sentiment there is. And once we get post QE2 I'd think it would only grow.
There are 4 categories of people, I'd say.
1. Monarchists. 2. Not fussed but would vote to keep if asked. 3. Not fussed but would vote to scrap if asked. 4. Republicans.
ATM spread approx 25/35/15/25.
So, as per usual, it's about moving that middle ground. If lots of 2s become 3s the pressure will build for a Referendum.
Because you can't just keep ignoring the people.
I'm not a monarchist, but we are where we are and I see some benefits. Cruel to the family in many ways but if they want to stick with it hey ho.
Out of interest, assuming that you (like me) were opposed to the Brexit Referendum why would you be in favour of a referendum on this?
Yes, I'm generally anti Rs but I can't think of a better alternative when it comes to big constitutional questions as this would be.
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Actually that reminds me, I'd best stick my own out the window quick.
Machiavellian Meghan sees the big schism picture and is on it..
Out of interest, assuming that you (like me) were opposed to the Brexit Referendum why would you be in favour of a referendum on this?
That's not a bad first wicket in Tests...
The Red Hawks are now very old as you say, the obsolete T1 model. BAe are supposedly delivering a new model soon to the training squadrons, so maybe they’ll upgrade RAFAT to the T2s currently in that role.
2020-now: only one poll BELOW 20% for a republic
It seems there's been an uptick for republicanism in the last couple of years. There were even three polls in a row up at 29%. I don't know whether lockdown, Brexit, or the imminence of King Charles III has changed people's views, but a few people are shifting to my side. A trickle, not a torrent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republicanism_in_the_United_Kingdom
Reminded of my dad's account of the Coronation Review of the Fleet at Spithead 1952. Hundreds of RN ships from aircraft carriers down ti the littlest. On his destroyer they were at attention for many hours, after spending days/weeks repainting, and then ordered to weigh anchor and proceed with all despatch to whatever political hot zone was most looming at the time, on the other side of the world. Didn't even get a run ashore at Pompey to wet the crown.
Imagine a King Boris. What would you do then?
Still a long, long way from a majority for a republic though.
Australia's vote failed when it became obvious there was no clearly superior alternative, and that any transition would be painful, complex and benefit only a lot of wankers
It would be the same in the UK times 90,000. Imagine how many things would have to be ripped up and rebuilt to get to a republic, from our stamps and coins to the legal system, the royal navy, the army, the RAF, the whole system of parliament and crown, everything royal this and royal that, the royal British legion, the royal opera house, the royally infused British calendar, everything. It would be a revolutionary act and a kind of nihilism
People don't vote for pointless nihilistic change with no clearly better alternative. An actual referendum would be emphatically defeated. Polling expresses mere aspiration
I do hope we don't end up competing with our monarchical/republican loyalties all weekend though, get it out of our systems.
One who acted (openly) like Boris would see the institution end in a week.
That's it then. That's Actual Jubilee. @Dura_Ace has gotten off his sofa, wearing his off-white anarchist y-fronts, and has kicked in the TV screen, scattering Ukrainians
This is the moment. God save 'er maj
They know they're always one bad monarch and a referendum away from living in a council estate.
Ok, if you insist on something hyperliteral, what about King Andy? A little bout of monkeypox spreads through "The Firm". 8 specific deaths and BOOM, Chancy 'Drew is king. Now what?
The horses are AMAZING
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You need to reign it in or in a few years you are going to find yourself sat on the Mall in the pouring rain at midnight with your union Jack underpants on your head.
Admittedly I don’t tend to hang about guys like these.
https://youtu.be/pmGjiokfQ2A
British history as dressage
Who the fuck are the guys banging drums on top of shire horses?? Why??
And yet, Wow men can bang big drums on top of shire horses. Who knew
This blog is a home for republicans from all parts of the political spectrum 🤷♀️
You will never win!
I would not rule out the monarchy scraping home though, while the cities will vote for a republic, rural and small town and outer suburban Australia is much less keen.
In 1999 for example Queensland was over 60% to keep the monarchy
Who knows.
You will pay!
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/heavy-drinkers-healthier-and-happier-in-later-years-tnsrz8zqw
The prorogation was challenged in the courts and found to be illegal. HMQ didn't need to tell anyone where to stuff anything and, whilst I'd have rather enjoyed it at the time, it's pretty clear she was sensible to stay out of it.
And look at Clinton, Trump, JFK...
Edit: Hang on, just read more of the thread, she's not dead, it's just some kind of jamboree or something???