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  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660

    Blair inherited a massive lead, Starmer is creating one all by himself

    Anyone who thinks Starmer is creating a massive lead rather than inheriting one due to Johnsons idiocy is just plain wrong.

    He is still behind on best PM in one poll today, incredibly.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188
    Boris may well resign after the absolute battering I have a feeling they're going to get in North Shropshire.
    I mean he might not, but it'll be the mood music after that and relying on Labour votes for more restrictions.
  • Blair inherited a massive lead, Starmer is creating one all by himself

    Anyone who thinks Starmer is creating a massive lead rather than inheriting one due to Johnsons idiocy is just plain wrong.

    He is still behind on best PM in one poll today, incredibly.
    Me thinks that is a lagging indicator.
  • Blair inherited a massive lead, Starmer is creating one all by himself

    Anyone who thinks Starmer is creating a massive lead rather than inheriting one due to Johnsons idiocy is just plain wrong.

    He is still behind on best PM in one poll today, incredibly.
    Do you still want him to resign despite being 8 points ahead?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405


    Deepti Gurdasani
    @dgurdasani1
    ·
    2h
    Worth remembering that when a variant is doubling every 3 days, even if the hospitalisation rate is half another variant's, that would literally just buy you another 3 days, by which time it'd have the same impact because of doubling of cases.

    Also worth remembering that that the doubling rate is set in stone and will always be every three days...

    Something not being much mentioned - about three times more re-infection than delta, but still not a huge number. And reinfection will most likely be milder than the first infection.

    PB has been depressing tonight. I think, and suspect, that 99% of the country are just getting on with life, and not endlessly worrying about things which probably won’t happen.

    Off to bed shortly, and then the joy/misery of waking and finding the cricket score/result...
    Then park run with my 76 year old mother. Living life to the full, not cowering from shadows.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660

    HYUFD said:

    Labour lead doubles to 8 points in a day with YouGov.

    A YouGov poll last night found that Labour had extended its lead over the Tories from four points to eight points in the space of 24 hours. It represents the Conservatives’ worst poll rating since July 2017, in the aftermath of Theresa May’s disastrous election campaign.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/new-covid-restrictions-to-slow-spread-of-omicron-variant-mp0rnqwlk

    So still not 10 points ahead then despite the papers now relentless obsession with producing daily polls to push an agenda
    Utter hilarity.

    First it was, why is Labour not ahead.

    Then when Labour was ahead, it was why isn't Labour ahead by 5 points.

    Now Labour is ahead by 8 points, it's why isn't Labour ahead by 10 points.

    If this is the attitude of the Tory Party, Starmer should just and wait and he'll walk into Downing Street with no effort at all.
    Any other leader would be ahead by 20% they said.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,552
    Leon said:

    darkage said:

    Andy_JS said:

    darkage said:

    Looking at the circumstantial evidence I think a lockdown is inevitable. Harder and more brutal than previous ones. They know that the new variant spreads exponentially, and there will be a non trivial hospitalisation and death rate, so we are back to 'stay home, save lives, save the NHS' etc.

    Let's hope not.
    We can hope not; but I think it is inevitable as we now know how it all works politically.

    The only difference is that this time around a large proportion of people will rise up against lockdown. A large minority. It could really destablise the entire political establishment, as all the main parties are pro lockdown and following the 'science'.
    Remember my friend's - cue spooky music - prediction.

    Farage MP within the year, PM within three years

    *chilled spines everywhere*
    Imagine Farage and Trump in charge at the same time.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,632
    Leon said:

    pigeon said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Wasn't Jess Phillips good on HIGNFY!

    Following the Johnson path to Downing Street?
    I suspect that BoJo has screwed that particular pooch for anyone trying to follow that path.

    But here's a what-if to consider.

    Suppose Boris had decided to remain a colourful backbench MP for Henley. Free to go on the telly and say outrageous stuff, to make oodles of money writing. Close enough to power to give it a shove, maybe even solve a real problem sometimes. Glamour without too much responsibility.

    It's not what he has wanted all his life, he couldn't have done it. I know that.
    But he might have been happier if he had.
    These epitaphs feel a tad premature. Boris is not stupid, and he is a wily campaigner. As his many lefty opponents have realised

    And he now gets basically a month off as politics closes down and Christmas-with-Covid takes over, again
    It'll be fascinating to see whether yet another lockdown causes the Government's popularity to shoot straight back up (the elderly core vote celebrating) or crash through the floor (as most of us conclude that they're a complete waste of space.) I genuinely have no idea which way the country is going to jump.

    Not that it really matters in the great scheme of things. We're screwed regardless.
    You've now leap-frogged me into too much pessimism! After scoffing at me for weeks

    Don't be so despairing, I reckon this next wave will be bad, but it will also be short. That's OMICRON THE PREMATURE EJACULATOR

    It will zzzip through the country in short order. And then there is a reasonable expectation that we will be over the worst, forever (or at least until the next pandemic out of China)

    Ten weeks? Twelve? It is do-able. Grim, but do-able
    Chinese viruses are crap. Even the Kent variant beats their feeble effort, and the Indian version clobbered both, then all three were made feeble by the African version.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Wasn't Jess Phillips good on HIGNFY!

    Following the Johnson path to Downing Street?
    I suspect that BoJo has screwed that particular pooch for anyone trying to follow that path.

    But here's a what-if to consider.

    Suppose Boris had decided to remain a colourful backbench MP for Henley. Free to go on the telly and say outrageous stuff, to make oodles of money writing. Close enough to power to give it a shove, maybe even solve a real problem sometimes. Glamour without too much responsibility.

    It's not what he has wanted all his life, he couldn't have done it. I know that.
    But he might have been happier if he had.
    These epitaphs feel a tad premature. Boris is not stupid, and he is a wily campaigner. As his many lefty opponents have realised

    And he now gets basically a month off as politics closes down and Christmas-with-Covid takes over, again
    It'll be fascinating to see whether yet another lockdown causes the Government's popularity to shoot straight back up (the elderly core vote celebrating) or crash through the floor (as most of us conclude that they're a complete waste of space.) I genuinely have no idea which way the country is going to jump.

    Not that it really matters in the great scheme of things. We're screwed regardless.
    It seems based on that Times link that thankfully the government is doing all it can to avoid another lockdown
    Which, let it be noted, a Labour government would not

    ALL Labour's instincts - like Sturgeon's up north - are to control, lock down, be safe, nanny the people, increase the debt, furlough the poor nurses, oh the poor migrants, don't be mean to poor "communities" who don't understand injections, blah blah fucking blah, fuck off

    The Tories need to rediscover some spine, STOP having bloody parties during a lockdown yet resist the communists on SAGE who want to overturn society and put us in masks forever. This can still be a winning position
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,908

    Roger said:

    Wasn't Jess Phillips good on HIGNFY!

    Didn't know you were Dyslexic

    Presumably that should read Jess Phillips wasn't good on HIGNFY
    Don't be bitter. It might just be a blip. There's still time for Johnson to turn it round
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    Leon said:

    pigeon said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Wasn't Jess Phillips good on HIGNFY!

    Following the Johnson path to Downing Street?
    I suspect that BoJo has screwed that particular pooch for anyone trying to follow that path.

    But here's a what-if to consider.

    Suppose Boris had decided to remain a colourful backbench MP for Henley. Free to go on the telly and say outrageous stuff, to make oodles of money writing. Close enough to power to give it a shove, maybe even solve a real problem sometimes. Glamour without too much responsibility.

    It's not what he has wanted all his life, he couldn't have done it. I know that.
    But he might have been happier if he had.
    These epitaphs feel a tad premature. Boris is not stupid, and he is a wily campaigner. As his many lefty opponents have realised

    And he now gets basically a month off as politics closes down and Christmas-with-Covid takes over, again
    It'll be fascinating to see whether yet another lockdown causes the Government's popularity to shoot straight back up (the elderly core vote celebrating) or crash through the floor (as most of us conclude that they're a complete waste of space.) I genuinely have no idea which way the country is going to jump.

    Not that it really matters in the great scheme of things. We're screwed regardless.
    You've now leap-frogged me into too much pessimism! After scoffing at me for weeks

    Don't be so despairing, I reckon this next wave will be bad, but it will also be short. That's OMICRON THE PREMATURE EJACULATOR

    It will zzzip through the country in short order. And then there is a reasonable expectation that we will be over the worst, forever (or at least until the next pandemic out of China)

    Ten weeks? Twelve? It is do-able. Grim, but do-able
    Will we be lucky enough that lockdowns don't work against it? The notion that we might have a massive death spike and then be out the other side of this nightmare, rather than living the nightmare for five or ten more years and then having the massive death spike anyway, seems too good to be true.
  • IanB2 said:

    Pippa Crerar on Newsnight saying she thinks there are more revelations on the party(ies) to come.

    They have photos of Johnson at one of these parties, I am sure of it
    Dom hasn't got this far into the game without a wizard card.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,643
    BJO did you Starmer at PMQs?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494

    On topic: there was a boris downing street Christmas party joke at the sunderland panto ffs

    Gives me the idea they will sing about these events in Nursery Rhymes in 600 years time. Like Humpty Dumpty the Cavalier Cannon.

    Humpty Dumpty had a Great Ball
    Humpty Dumpty had a Great Fall

    Or something better obviously, full of subconscious, hooded wink meaning.

    Do we are have collective skills on PB to invent that nursery rhyme?

    Which tune to copy? Is Boris associated to a particular tune?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,632
    edited December 2021

    Blair inherited a massive lead, Starmer is creating one all by himself

    Anyone who thinks Starmer is creating a massive lead rather than inheriting one due to Johnsons idiocy is just plain wrong.

    He is still behind on best PM in one poll today, incredibly.
    @bigjohnowls @Philip_Thompson @HYUFD your boy is taking one hell of a beating!

    It's like losing your girl to Derek from accounts 🤣🤣🤣
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188
    Amusing stuff from Marina Hyde

    Still, here he comes – Shagatha Christie, trying to deduce what the hell has happened this week.
  • https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1469370138441003010

    Sorry, 20% of the Tory Party thinks BoJo should resign? That is horrendous
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660

    Blair inherited a massive lead, Starmer is creating one all by himself

    Anyone who thinks Starmer is creating a massive lead rather than inheriting one due to Johnsons idiocy is just plain wrong.

    He is still behind on best PM in one poll today, incredibly.
    Do you still want him to resign despite being 8 points ahead?
    Yes he is useless.

    it's a temporary phenomena. Corbyn was ahead by 8 points in 2017 and again by 6 points in July 2019 didn't stop Labour getting beaten by Boris.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,552

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1469370138441003010

    Sorry, 20% of the Tory Party thinks BoJo should resign? That is horrendous

    Is that Tory members or voters?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,913

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1469370138441003010

    Sorry, 20% of the Tory Party thinks BoJo should resign? That is horrendous

    No it isn't when you consider over a third of Tory members voted for Hunt not Boris
  • Blair inherited a massive lead, Starmer is creating one all by himself

    Anyone who thinks Starmer is creating a massive lead rather than inheriting one due to Johnsons idiocy is just plain wrong.

    He is still behind on best PM in one poll today, incredibly.
    Do you still want him to resign despite being 8 points ahead?
    Yes he is useless.

    it's a temporary phenomena. Corbyn was ahead by 8 points in 2017 and again by 6 points in July 2019 didn't stop Labour getting beaten by Boris.

    You've lost the plot
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    Pulpstar said:

    Amusing stuff from Marina Hyde

    Still, here he comes – Shagatha Christie, trying to deduce what the hell has happened this week.

    There was simply no other place a Johnson government would ever end up but mired in rampant lies, chaos, negligence, financial sponging and the live evisceration of public service. To the Conservatives and media outriders somehow only now discovering this about their guy, I think we have to say: you ordered this. Now eat it.
  • Dr Duncan Robertson
    @Dr_D_Robertson
    ·
    2m
    R for Omicron in England is estimated to be 3.7 (between 3.3 and 4.2).

    This means that each person who is infected with Omicron goes on to infect *3.7* more.

    Even with a highly vaccinated population (although one where most have not been boosted).


  • IanB2 said:

    Pippa Crerar on Newsnight saying she thinks there are more revelations on the party(ies) to come.

    They have photos of Johnson at one of these parties, I am sure of it
    Dom hasn't got this far into the game without a wizard card.
    The Mirror has been teasing more all week, me thinks some more tasty stuff is coming up shortly.

    I am sure they have evidence implicating BoJo
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,913
    Foxy said:

    Blair inherited a massive lead, Starmer is creating one all by himself

    Anyone who thinks Starmer is creating a massive lead rather than inheriting one due to Johnsons idiocy is just plain wrong.

    He is still behind on best PM in one poll today, incredibly.
    @bigjohnowls @Philip_Thompson @HYUFD your boy is taking one hell of a beating!

    It's like losing your girl to Derek from accounts 🤣🤣🤣
    He is taking less of a beating than Cameron did to Ed Miliband or Thatcher did to Kinnock midterm and certainly less than Major did to Blair
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,908
    Andy_JS said:

    Roger said:

    Have we covered the new poll showing Labout 8 points ahead?

    CON: 33%
    LAB: 41%
    LD: 7%
    GRN: 6%
    SNP: 5%
    PC: 1%
    OTHER: 1%

    The Tories can still go lower than this. Maybe 28-29%.
    Can someone make sure BJO isn't alone?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,355
    Pulpstar said:


    Deepti Gurdasani
    @dgurdasani1
    ·
    2h
    Worth remembering that when a variant is doubling every 3 days, even if the hospitalisation rate is half another variant's, that would literally just buy you another 3 days, by which time it'd have the same impact because of doubling of cases.

    I doubt it'll keep doubling every 2 days, delta has never hit a true SEIR model herd immunity threshold, instead it's gone into seemingly random peaks and troughs.
    Omicron will do the same, the big question is at what infection level.
    A lot of people seem very spooked even before hospital admissions have started going up. This will slow it down a bit, and we can expect more behaviour modification if/when the hospital numbers start to rise again.

    Assuming that most people's Christmas/Boxing Day gatherings go ahead as planned, that's likely to lead to a huge amount of spread - we saw that with Ireland last winter - and so likely more caution from the general population in the New Year.

    It is selfish of me, but my main concern is that no major additional restrictions are brought in before I get to see my daughter in Bath next weekend. It has been eight months since we saw her.

  • Dr Duncan Robertson
    @Dr_D_Robertson
    ·
    4h
    We will not reach one million cases per day.

    Because we don't have PCR capacity for one million cases per day.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660



    IanB2 said:

    Pippa Crerar on Newsnight saying she thinks there are more revelations on the party(ies) to come.

    They have photos of Johnson at one of these parties, I am sure of it
    Dom hasn't got this far into the game without a wizard card.
    The Mirror has been teasing more all week, me thinks some more tasty stuff is coming up shortly.

    I am sure they have evidence implicating BoJo
    If they have he will surely be gone.

    Careful what you wish for a full blown Thatcherite will be next.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,632
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Blair inherited a massive lead, Starmer is creating one all by himself

    Anyone who thinks Starmer is creating a massive lead rather than inheriting one due to Johnsons idiocy is just plain wrong.

    He is still behind on best PM in one poll today, incredibly.
    @bigjohnowls @Philip_Thompson @HYUFD your boy is taking one hell of a beating!

    It's like losing your girl to Derek from accounts 🤣🤣🤣
    He is taking less of a beating than Cameron did to Ed Miliband or Thatcher did to Kinnock midterm and certainly less than Major did to Blair
    Give him a few weeks!

    Do you seriously expect Johnson to come back from this? He now has the negative Midas touch. Every contact just creates more shit.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,913
    edited December 2021
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Wasn't Jess Phillips good on HIGNFY!

    Following the Johnson path to Downing Street?
    I suspect that BoJo has screwed that particular pooch for anyone trying to follow that path.

    But here's a what-if to consider.

    Suppose Boris had decided to remain a colourful backbench MP for Henley. Free to go on the telly and say outrageous stuff, to make oodles of money writing. Close enough to power to give it a shove, maybe even solve a real problem sometimes. Glamour without too much responsibility.

    It's not what he has wanted all his life, he couldn't have done it. I know that.
    But he might have been happier if he had.
    These epitaphs feel a tad premature. Boris is not stupid, and he is a wily campaigner. As his many lefty opponents have realised

    And he now gets basically a month off as politics closes down and Christmas-with-Covid takes over, again
    It'll be fascinating to see whether yet another lockdown causes the Government's popularity to shoot straight back up (the elderly core vote celebrating) or crash through the floor (as most of us conclude that they're a complete waste of space.) I genuinely have no idea which way the country is going to jump.

    Not that it really matters in the great scheme of things. We're screwed regardless.
    It seems based on that Times link that thankfully the government is doing all it can to avoid another lockdown
    Which, let it be noted, a Labour government would not

    ALL Labour's instincts - like Sturgeon's up north - are to control, lock down, be safe, nanny the people, increase the debt, furlough the poor nurses, oh the poor migrants, don't be mean to poor "communities" who don't understand injections, blah blah fucking blah, fuck off

    The Tories need to rediscover some spine, STOP having bloody parties during a lockdown yet resist the communists on SAGE who want to overturn society and put us in masks forever. This can still be a winning position
    Indeed, it suits Labour and the SNP to have eternal lockdowns. As the more they can shrink the private sector and expand dependency on the state, the bigger their pool of potential voters will be
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747

    Pulpstar said:


    Deepti Gurdasani
    @dgurdasani1
    ·
    2h
    Worth remembering that when a variant is doubling every 3 days, even if the hospitalisation rate is half another variant's, that would literally just buy you another 3 days, by which time it'd have the same impact because of doubling of cases.

    I doubt it'll keep doubling every 2 days, delta has never hit a true SEIR model herd immunity threshold, instead it's gone into seemingly random peaks and troughs.
    Omicron will do the same, the big question is at what infection level.
    A lot of people seem very spooked even before hospital admissions have started going up. This will slow it down a bit, and we can expect more behaviour modification if/when the hospital numbers start to rise again.

    Assuming that most people's Christmas/Boxing Day gatherings go ahead as planned, that's likely to lead to a huge amount of spread - we saw that with Ireland last winter - and so likely more caution from the general population in the New Year.

    It is selfish of me, but my main concern is that no major additional restrictions are brought in before I get to see my daughter in Bath next weekend. It has been eight months since we saw her.
    Cobra Kai returns on NYE. That will keep the numbers down.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375

    The polls are not terrible for the Tories but the satisfying thing is how self inflicted their slump has been.

    I'm assuming that the 'not' in your sentence is a gremlin?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,908

    Blair inherited a massive lead, Starmer is creating one all by himself

    Anyone who thinks Starmer is creating a massive lead rather than inheriting one due to Johnsons idiocy is just plain wrong.

    He is still behind on best PM in one poll today, incredibly.
    Do you still want him to resign despite being 8 points ahead?
    Yes he is useless.

    it's a temporary phenomena. Corbyn was ahead by 8 points in 2017 and again by 6 points in July 2019 didn't stop Labour getting beaten by Boris.

    You've lost the plot
    (I think he's lost more than the plot)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660

    Blair inherited a massive lead, Starmer is creating one all by himself

    Anyone who thinks Starmer is creating a massive lead rather than inheriting one due to Johnsons idiocy is just plain wrong.

    He is still behind on best PM in one poll today, incredibly.
    Do you still want him to resign despite being 8 points ahead?
    Yes he is useless.

    it's a temporary phenomena. Corbyn was ahead by 8 points in 2017 and again by 6 points in July 2019 didn't stop Labour getting beaten by Boris.

    You've lost the plot
    No you are getting carried away with a temporary bounce.

    When push comes to shove people won't vote for the guy with no personality who is equal to Boris on the lying front.
  • IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Amusing stuff from Marina Hyde

    Still, here he comes – Shagatha Christie, trying to deduce what the hell has happened this week.

    There was simply no other place a Johnson government would ever end up but mired in rampant lies, chaos, negligence, financial sponging and the live evisceration of public service. To the Conservatives and media outriders somehow only now discovering this about their guy, I think we have to say: you ordered this. Now eat it.
    One has to say, when the history books are written, there has probably never been another PM whose personal characteristics and flaws determined his premiership more.

    But of course with Johnson there is nothing else. Everything is his cartoon personality.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,552
    Leon said:

    maaarsh said:

    ydoethur said:

    Alistair said:

    I am 8 days away from my booster appointment. I would like things to hold off. Thanks.

    Any word on when under-40s will be eligible yet? This delay is getting ridiculous. Moreover, it's counterproductive. The faster everyone is eligible the less likely a major fourth wave is.
    13th was the date they claimed the speed up announced 2 weeks ago. But frankly, far better for them to focus on over 40s, no many in their 30s are going to be worse off than feeling a bit rough.
    Germany did over a million jabs today. This is another rank failure by HMG in comparison

    We should have been all over this. We weren't
    Well, people in Germany don't exactly have a choice about whether or not to have the jab.
  • https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1469370138441003010

    Sorry, 20% of the Tory Party thinks BoJo should resign? That is horrendous

    I know. What's wrong with the other 80%?
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839


    Deepti Gurdasani
    @dgurdasani1
    ·
    2h
    Worth remembering that when a variant is doubling every 3 days, even if the hospitalisation rate is half another variant's, that would literally just buy you another 3 days, by which time it'd have the same impact because of doubling of cases.

    Also worth remembering that that the doubling rate is set in stone and will always be every three days...

    Something not being much mentioned - about three times more re-infection than delta, but still not a huge number. And reinfection will most likely be milder than the first infection.

    PB has been depressing tonight. I think, and suspect, that 99% of the country are just getting on with life, and not endlessly worrying about things which probably won’t happen.

    Off to bed shortly, and then the joy/misery of waking and finding the cricket score/result...
    Then park run with my 76 year old mother. Living life to the full, not cowering from shadows.
    Not worrying about things that probably WILL happen (but might not if we're very lucky) is much easier said than done.

    Living life to the full will be considerably more difficult if your parkrun gets cancelled, along with absolutely everything else outside the confines of your home that you enjoy doing, and every event you've been looking forward to attending, for months on end.

    Personally I'm getting out and doing all this stuff whilst I still can, but once the lockdown jackboot stamps on us all again then it doesn't much matter how much I miss it or how much I might be tempted to disregard all these rules. You can't extend the middle finger in the general direction of the Government by going to events organised by clubs you belong to, or dining out in your favourite restaurant, if all of these organisations and businesses have had to close for fear of prosecution.

    Basically, unless you have any family and friends who have also had enough and are willing to keep socialising regardless in each other's homes, you're stuck back in March 2020 or January 2021 again.
  • Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour lead doubles to 8 points in a day with YouGov.

    A YouGov poll last night found that Labour had extended its lead over the Tories from four points to eight points in the space of 24 hours. It represents the Conservatives’ worst poll rating since July 2017, in the aftermath of Theresa May’s disastrous election campaign.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/new-covid-restrictions-to-slow-spread-of-omicron-variant-mp0rnqwlk

    So still not 10 points ahead then despite the papers now relentless obsession with producing daily polls to push an agenda
    Utter hilarity.

    First it was, why is Labour not ahead.

    Then when Labour was ahead, it was why isn't Labour ahead by 5 points.

    Now Labour is ahead by 8 points, it's why isn't Labour ahead by 10 points.

    If this is the attitude of the Tory Party, Starmer should just and wait and he'll walk into Downing Street with no effort at all.
    Any other leader would be ahead by 20% they said.
    bigjohnowls
    26th January 2022.

    I see Labour are only 21 points ahead. Any other leader would be 30 points ahead.
    Blair would be 90 points ahead by now with this clown as PM.
  • Delighted to hear that there will be an Ashes Test match in Tasmania for the first time ever. That's a really good idea rather than just putting it back in the MCG again. Really great to have a State that never gets the opportunity to host the Ashes, to be able to do so this time. 👍
  • On topic: there was a boris downing street Christmas party joke at the sunderland panto ffs

    Gives me the idea they will sing about these events in Nursery Rhymes in 600 years time. Like Humpty Dumpty the Cavalier Cannon.

    Humpty Dumpty had a Great Ball
    Humpty Dumpty had a Great Fall

    Or something better obviously, full of subconscious, hooded wink meaning.

    Do we are have collective skills on PB to invent that nursery rhyme?

    Which tune to copy? Is Boris associated to a particular tune?
    I always think of the music that Benny Hill ran around to chasing girls with big chests.*


    * under 40 year olds - please see you line manager or tutor if you are feeling upset by what happened on TV in the past.
  • Foxy said:

    Blair inherited a massive lead, Starmer is creating one all by himself

    Anyone who thinks Starmer is creating a massive lead rather than inheriting one due to Johnsons idiocy is just plain wrong.

    He is still behind on best PM in one poll today, incredibly.
    @bigjohnowls @Philip_Thompson @HYUFD your boy is taking one hell of a beating!

    It's like losing your girl to Derek from accounts 🤣🤣🤣
    No need to tag me in that, Boris lost my support months ago. I even did a thread header at the time!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,400
    edited December 2021
    Just got my PCR results back. Both me and eldest positive. No surprise. Wonderfully efficient system!
    Told us to isolate for 10 days from first symptoms... could either of us remember? We couldn't recall what we did at the weekend even. Had to check texts to find out. It was like something from 10 years ago that comes up as a Facebook memory.
    Oh yes! Had a negative test on Friday cos I had a sore throat and was working in the shop. Couldn't remember I'd been working!
    Went to two classes on Sunday and Monday. Buggered if I can remember what we studied. Didn't feel I was at all out of it at the time though.
    Neither of us feel ill now. But COVID brain fog is something to behold.
    Total discombobulation.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Wasn't Jess Phillips good on HIGNFY!

    Following the Johnson path to Downing Street?
    I suspect that BoJo has screwed that particular pooch for anyone trying to follow that path.

    But here's a what-if to consider.

    Suppose Boris had decided to remain a colourful backbench MP for Henley. Free to go on the telly and say outrageous stuff, to make oodles of money writing. Close enough to power to give it a shove, maybe even solve a real problem sometimes. Glamour without too much responsibility.

    It's not what he has wanted all his life, he couldn't have done it. I know that.
    But he might have been happier if he had.
    These epitaphs feel a tad premature. Boris is not stupid, and he is a wily campaigner. As his many lefty opponents have realised

    And he now gets basically a month off as politics closes down and Christmas-with-Covid takes over, again
    It'll be fascinating to see whether yet another lockdown causes the Government's popularity to shoot straight back up (the elderly core vote celebrating) or crash through the floor (as most of us conclude that they're a complete waste of space.) I genuinely have no idea which way the country is going to jump.

    Not that it really matters in the great scheme of things. We're screwed regardless.
    It seems based on that Times link that thankfully the government is doing all it can to avoid another lockdown
    Which, let it be noted, a Labour government would not

    ALL Labour's instincts - like Sturgeon's up north - are to control, lock down, be safe, nanny the people, increase the debt, furlough the poor nurses, oh the poor migrants, don't be mean to poor "communities" who don't understand injections, blah blah fucking blah, fuck off

    The Tories need to rediscover some spine, STOP having bloody parties during a lockdown yet resist the communists on SAGE who want to overturn society and put us in masks forever. This can still be a winning position
    Indeed, it suits Labour and the SNP to have eternal lockdowns. As the more they can shrink the private sector and expand dependency on the state, the bigger their pool of potential voters will be
    Gosh, that's almost QAnon level conspiracy. Starmer announces permanent lockdown, compulsory council housing, and nationalisation of all industries to shrink the private sector and win the GE. I can't quite see it myself.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    I'm old enough to remember when the pb.com tories were strumming themselves off over the perspicacity of UKG allowing the 'exit wave' to happen in the summer as opposed to the Europeans who would be having their 'exit wave' in the winter.
  • Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Wasn't Jess Phillips good on HIGNFY!

    Following the Johnson path to Downing Street?
    I suspect that BoJo has screwed that particular pooch for anyone trying to follow that path.

    But here's a what-if to consider.

    Suppose Boris had decided to remain a colourful backbench MP for Henley. Free to go on the telly and say outrageous stuff, to make oodles of money writing. Close enough to power to give it a shove, maybe even solve a real problem sometimes. Glamour without too much responsibility.

    It's not what he has wanted all his life, he couldn't have done it. I know that.
    But he might have been happier if he had.
    These epitaphs feel a tad premature. Boris is not stupid, and he is a wily campaigner. As his many lefty opponents have realised

    And he now gets basically a month off as politics closes down and Christmas-with-Covid takes over, again
    It'll be fascinating to see whether yet another lockdown causes the Government's popularity to shoot straight back up (the elderly core vote celebrating) or crash through the floor (as most of us conclude that they're a complete waste of space.) I genuinely have no idea which way the country is going to jump.

    Not that it really matters in the great scheme of things. We're screwed regardless.
    It seems based on that Times link that thankfully the government is doing all it can to avoid another lockdown
    Which, let it be noted, a Labour government would not

    ALL Labour's instincts - like Sturgeon's up north - are to control, lock down, be safe, nanny the people, increase the debt, furlough the poor nurses, oh the poor migrants, don't be mean to poor "communities" who don't understand injections, blah blah fucking blah, fuck off

    The Tories need to rediscover some spine, STOP having bloody parties during a lockdown yet resist the communists on SAGE who want to overturn society and put us in masks forever. This can still be a winning position
    Weren't you saying the hospitals will be totally overrun with the dead in car parks whilst we chew on rats tails about an hour ago unless something is done?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494

    On topic: there was a boris downing street Christmas party joke at the sunderland panto ffs

    Gives me the idea they will sing about these events in Nursery Rhymes in 600 years time. Like Humpty Dumpty the Cavalier Cannon.

    Humpty Dumpty had a Great Ball
    Humpty Dumpty had a Great Fall

    Or something better obviously, full of subconscious, hooded wink meaning.

    Do we are have collective skills on PB to invent that nursery rhyme?

    Which tune to copy? Is Boris associated to a particular tune?
    I always think of the music that Benny Hill ran around to chasing girls with big chests.*


    * under 40 year olds - please see you line manager or tutor if you are feeling upset by what happened on TV in the past.
    I have heard of Benny Hill! My brother was watching it on his computer when he was about twelve. 😆
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    I think you are getting a little carried away @CorrectHorseBattery
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,632
    Dura_Ace said:

    I'm old enough to remember when the pb.com tories were strumming themselves off over the perspicacity of UKG allowing the 'exit wave' to happen in the summer as opposed to the Europeans who would be having their 'exit wave' in the winter.

    Cases would be under 10 000 by Christmas.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375

    Blair inherited a massive lead, Starmer is creating one all by himself

    Anyone who thinks Starmer is creating a massive lead rather than inheriting one due to Johnsons idiocy is just plain wrong.

    He is still behind on best PM in one poll today, incredibly.
    Do you still want him to resign despite being 8 points ahead?
    Yes he is useless.

    it's a temporary phenomena. Corbyn was ahead by 8 points in 2017 and again by 6 points in July 2019 didn't stop Labour getting beaten by Boris.

    You've lost the plot
    No you are getting carried away with a temporary bounce.

    When push comes to shove people won't vote for the guy with no personality who is equal to Boris on the lying front.
    You had a point when Labour was way behind in the opinion polls.

    Now Labour is consistently ahead in the opinion polls, you're making the same point.

    Starmer is making better progress than you against the Tories, I think.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Boris may well resign after the absolute battering I have a feeling they're going to get in North Shropshire.
    I mean he might not, but it'll be the mood music after that and relying on Labour votes for more restrictions.

    He's lucky it will all happen as we are distracted by the family Christmas celebrations.

    Oh wait...
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,908

    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Amusing stuff from Marina Hyde

    Still, here he comes – Shagatha Christie, trying to deduce what the hell has happened this week.

    There was simply no other place a Johnson government would ever end up but mired in rampant lies, chaos, negligence, financial sponging and the live evisceration of public service. To the Conservatives and media outriders somehow only now discovering this about their guy, I think we have to say: you ordered this. Now eat it.
    One has to say, when the history books are written, there has probably never been another PM whose personal characteristics and flaws determined his premiership more.
    II think the final straw was when he dressed up in a Policeman's uniform.

  • Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I'm old enough to remember when the pb.com tories were strumming themselves off over the perspicacity of UKG allowing the 'exit wave' to happen in the summer as opposed to the Europeans who would be having their 'exit wave' in the winter.

    Cases would be under 10 000 by Christmas.
    Harsh. As Lillico keeps saying - there was the caveat that a mutation did not spring out of nowhere that evaded immunity.
  • Dura_Ace said:

    I'm old enough to remember when the pb.com tories were strumming themselves off over the perspicacity of UKG allowing the 'exit wave' to happen in the summer as opposed to the Europeans who would be having their 'exit wave' in the winter.

    Quite right, it is fantastic that we did that and will put us in a much better stead for the winter. 👍
  • Roger said:

    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Amusing stuff from Marina Hyde

    Still, here he comes – Shagatha Christie, trying to deduce what the hell has happened this week.

    There was simply no other place a Johnson government would ever end up but mired in rampant lies, chaos, negligence, financial sponging and the live evisceration of public service. To the Conservatives and media outriders somehow only now discovering this about their guy, I think we have to say: you ordered this. Now eat it.
    One has to say, when the history books are written, there has probably never been another PM whose personal characteristics and flaws determined his premiership more.
    II think the final straw was when he dressed up in a Policeman's uniform.

    Yes, that might have been the final moment when the joke was no longer funny.

  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494

    On topic: there was a boris downing street Christmas party joke at the sunderland panto ffs

    Gives me the idea they will sing about these events in Nursery Rhymes in 600 years time. Like Humpty Dumpty the Cavalier Cannon.

    Humpty Dumpty had a Great Ball
    Humpty Dumpty had a Great Fall

    Or something better obviously, full of subconscious, hooded wink meaning.

    Do we are have collective skills on PB to invent that nursery rhyme?

    Which tune to copy? Is Boris associated to a particular tune?
    I’ve had a quick go. To Elsie Marley

    Boris Johnson Ruled Inept
    To the rules he never once kept
    To this old rogue comeuppance crept
    When above the party he soundly slept

    The gauntlet is down Sunil. 😘
  • dixiedean said:

    Just got my PCR results back. Both me and eldest positive. No surprise. Wonderfully efficient system!
    Told us to isolate for 10 days from first symptoms... could either of us remember? We couldn't recall what we did at the weekend even. Had to check texts to find out. It was like something from 10 years ago that comes up as a Facebook memory.
    Oh yes! Had a negative test on Friday cos I had a sore throat and was working in the shop. Couldn't remember I'd been working!
    Went to two classes on Sunday and Monday. Buggered if I can remember what we studied. Didn't feel I was at all out of it at the time though.
    Neither of us feel ill now. But COVID brain fog is something to behold.
    Total discombobulation.

    Sorry to hear this. Get well soon sir.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Dura_Ace said:

    I'm old enough to remember when the pb.com tories were strumming themselves off over the perspicacity of UKG allowing the 'exit wave' to happen in the summer as opposed to the Europeans who would be having their 'exit wave' in the winter.

    GET A FUCKING JAB

    REALLY

    ENOUGH
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660

    Blair inherited a massive lead, Starmer is creating one all by himself

    Anyone who thinks Starmer is creating a massive lead rather than inheriting one due to Johnsons idiocy is just plain wrong.

    He is still behind on best PM in one poll today, incredibly.
    Do you still want him to resign despite being 8 points ahead?
    Yes he is useless.

    it's a temporary phenomena. Corbyn was ahead by 8 points in 2017 and again by 6 points in July 2019 didn't stop Labour getting beaten by Boris.

    You've lost the plot
    No you are getting carried away with a temporary bounce.

    When push comes to shove people won't vote for the guy with no personality who is equal to Boris on the lying front.
    You had a point when Labour was way behind in the opinion polls.

    Now Labour is consistently ahead in the opinion polls, you're making the same point.

    Starmer is making better progress than you against the Tories, I think.
    Consistently ahead for a week! "Starmer is on target for a landslide"

    Consistently behind for vast majority of his leadership. "Yeah but Corbyn"
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    14 pages of this now. What are South Africa doing? No lockdown, please get vaccinated.

    How do their medical professionals appear? Relatively relaxed in the context of the last 2 years.

    You lot and our politicalmedia class need to get a grip.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I'm old enough to remember when the pb.com tories were strumming themselves off over the perspicacity of UKG allowing the 'exit wave' to happen in the summer as opposed to the Europeans who would be having their 'exit wave' in the winter.

    GET A FUCKING JAB

    REALLY

    ENOUGH
    His vaccine status has nothing to do with you ffs
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,908

    Blair inherited a massive lead, Starmer is creating one all by himself

    Anyone who thinks Starmer is creating a massive lead rather than inheriting one due to Johnsons idiocy is just plain wrong.

    He is still behind on best PM in one poll today, incredibly.
    Do you still want him to resign despite being 8 points ahead?
    Yes he is useless.

    it's a temporary phenomena. Corbyn was ahead by 8 points in 2017 and again by 6 points in July 2019 didn't stop Labour getting beaten by Boris.

    You've lost the plot
    No you are getting carried away with a temporary bounce.

    When push comes to shove people won't vote for the guy with no personality who is equal to Boris on the lying front.
    You can always go and watch him on the pier at Blackpool doing his Mussolini impersonation
  • Dura_Ace said:

    I'm old enough to remember when the pb.com tories were strumming themselves off over the perspicacity of UKG allowing the 'exit wave' to happen in the summer as opposed to the Europeans who would be having their 'exit wave' in the winter.

    The next iteration of patriotic turd polishing will be epic.
  • On topic: there was a boris downing street Christmas party joke at the sunderland panto ffs

    Gives me the idea they will sing about these events in Nursery Rhymes in 600 years time. Like Humpty Dumpty the Cavalier Cannon.

    Humpty Dumpty had a Great Ball
    Humpty Dumpty had a Great Fall

    Or something better obviously, full of subconscious, hooded wink meaning.

    Do we are have collective skills on PB to invent that nursery rhyme?

    Which tune to copy? Is Boris associated to a particular tune?
    I’ve had a quick go. To Elsie Marley

    Boris Johnson Ruled Inept
    To the rules he never once kept
    To this old rogue comeuppance crept
    When above the party he soundly slept

    The gauntlet is down Sunil. 😘
    There was a young man named Farage
    Who once got locked in his garage
    He campaigned so hard
    But let down his guard
    And fell to an electoral barrage!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660
    Roger said:

    Blair inherited a massive lead, Starmer is creating one all by himself

    Anyone who thinks Starmer is creating a massive lead rather than inheriting one due to Johnsons idiocy is just plain wrong.

    He is still behind on best PM in one poll today, incredibly.
    Do you still want him to resign despite being 8 points ahead?
    Yes he is useless.

    it's a temporary phenomena. Corbyn was ahead by 8 points in 2017 and again by 6 points in July 2019 didn't stop Labour getting beaten by Boris.

    You've lost the plot
    No you are getting carried away with a temporary bounce.

    When push comes to shove people won't vote for the guy with no personality who is equal to Boris on the lying front.
    You can always go and watch him on the pier at Blackpool doing his Mussolini impersonation
    Go and watch who?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    edited December 2021
    Dura_Ace said:

    I'm old enough to remember when the pb.com tories were strumming themselves off over the perspicacity of UKG allowing the 'exit wave' to happen in the summer as opposed to the Europeans who would be having their 'exit wave' in the winter.

    Really

    Are you going to treat us to your ludicrous, embarrassing, faeces-flinging fantasies of your exciting, militaristic, motorbiking past-life with a plutocratic suicidal bent even as you crow about not having a jab COS YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT FUCKING TREE FROGS and thereby condemn the rest of of us to another hellish lockdown, and, some of us, death?

    Fuck off. Get tae fuck. Fuck the fuck off you appalling fucking fraud. FUCK. OFF.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,643

    Blair inherited a massive lead, Starmer is creating one all by himself

    Anyone who thinks Starmer is creating a massive lead rather than inheriting one due to Johnsons idiocy is just plain wrong.

    He is still behind on best PM in one poll today, incredibly.
    Do you still want him to resign despite being 8 points ahead?
    Yes he is useless.

    it's a temporary phenomena. Corbyn was ahead by 8 points in 2017 and again by 6 points in July 2019 didn't stop Labour getting beaten by Boris.

    You've lost the plot
    No you are getting carried away with a temporary bounce.

    When push comes to shove people won't vote for the guy with no personality who is equal to Boris on the lying front.
    You had a point when Labour was way behind in the opinion polls.

    Now Labour is consistently ahead in the opinion polls, you're making the same point.

    Starmer is making better progress than you against the Tories, I think.
    Consistently ahead for a week! "Starmer is on target for a landslide"

    Consistently behind for vast majority of his leadership. "Yeah but Corbyn"
    Who is Corbyn?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,552
    The odds continue to move in the LDs' favour in North Shropshire.

    LD 1.49/ 1.5
    Con 3.05 / 3.1

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.190523448
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I'm old enough to remember when the pb.com tories were strumming themselves off over the perspicacity of UKG allowing the 'exit wave' to happen in the summer as opposed to the Europeans who would be having their 'exit wave' in the winter.

    Cases would be under 10 000 by Christmas.
    Harsh. As Lillico keeps saying - there was the caveat that a mutation did not spring out of nowhere that evaded immunity.
    We've never really had an exit wave with delta though. The caveat isn't needed for 10k cases @ christmas to be almost certainly falsifiably incorrect.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I'm old enough to remember when the pb.com tories were strumming themselves off over the perspicacity of UKG allowing the 'exit wave' to happen in the summer as opposed to the Europeans who would be having their 'exit wave' in the winter.

    GET A FUCKING JAB

    REALLY

    ENOUGH
    His vaccine status has nothing to do with you ffs
    IT. REALLY. DOES.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I'm old enough to remember when the pb.com tories were strumming themselves off over the perspicacity of UKG allowing the 'exit wave' to happen in the summer as opposed to the Europeans who would be having their 'exit wave' in the winter.

    GET A FUCKING JAB

    REALLY

    ENOUGH
    His vaccine status has nothing to do with you ffs
    IT. REALLY. DOES.
    Depends whether or not he ends up blocking a bed. Swift death or recovery works, but being in the ICU for an extended time period with Covid whilst unjabbed is unforgivable.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,552

    Blair inherited a massive lead, Starmer is creating one all by himself

    Anyone who thinks Starmer is creating a massive lead rather than inheriting one due to Johnsons idiocy is just plain wrong.

    He is still behind on best PM in one poll today, incredibly.
    This is what Owen Jones was saying on Twitter today, that Johnson's problems are entirely self-created.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I'm old enough to remember when the pb.com tories were strumming themselves off over the perspicacity of UKG allowing the 'exit wave' to happen in the summer as opposed to the Europeans who would be having their 'exit wave' in the winter.

    GET A FUCKING JAB

    REALLY

    ENOUGH
    His vaccine status has nothing to do with you ffs
    IT. REALLY. DOES.
    Depends whether or not he ends up blocking a bed. Swift death or recovery works, but being in the ICU for an extended time period with Covid whilst unjabbed is unforgivable.
    It is entirely unforgiveable. People like this no longer get an opinion. On anything
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,908

    Roger said:

    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Amusing stuff from Marina Hyde

    Still, here he comes – Shagatha Christie, trying to deduce what the hell has happened this week.

    There was simply no other place a Johnson government would ever end up but mired in rampant lies, chaos, negligence, financial sponging and the live evisceration of public service. To the Conservatives and media outriders somehow only now discovering this about their guy, I think we have to say: you ordered this. Now eat it.
    One has to say, when the history books are written, there has probably never been another PM whose personal characteristics and flaws determined his premiership more.
    II think the final straw was when he dressed up in a Policeman's uniform.

    Yes, that might have been the final moment when the joke was no longer funny.

    It had something of the last days of Mussolini about it. He looked both sad and ridiculous
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    Andy_JS said:

    Blair inherited a massive lead, Starmer is creating one all by himself

    Anyone who thinks Starmer is creating a massive lead rather than inheriting one due to Johnsons idiocy is just plain wrong.

    He is still behind on best PM in one poll today, incredibly.
    This is what Owen Jones was saying on Twitter today, that Johnson's problems are entirely self-created.
    So were Corbyn’s
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I'm old enough to remember when the pb.com tories were strumming themselves off over the perspicacity of UKG allowing the 'exit wave' to happen in the summer as opposed to the Europeans who would be having their 'exit wave' in the winter.

    GET A FUCKING JAB

    REALLY

    ENOUGH
    His vaccine status has nothing to do with you ffs
    IT. REALLY. DOES.
    Depends whether or not he ends up blocking a bed. Swift death or recovery works, but being in the ICU for an extended time period with Covid whilst unjabbed is unforgivable.
    It is entirely unforgiveable. People like this no longer get an opinion. On anything
    Concentrate on yourself rather than sticking your neb into other people’s business
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  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,523
    dixiedean said:

    Just got my PCR results back. Both me and eldest positive. No surprise. Wonderfully efficient system!
    Told us to isolate for 10 days from first symptoms... could either of us remember? We couldn't recall what we did at the weekend even. Had to check texts to find out. It was like something from 10 years ago that comes up as a Facebook memory.
    Oh yes! Had a negative test on Friday cos I had a sore throat and was working in the shop. Couldn't remember I'd been working!
    Went to two classes on Sunday and Monday. Buggered if I can remember what we studied. Didn't feel I was at all out of it at the time though.
    Neither of us feel ill now. But COVID brain fog is something to behold.
    Total discombobulation.

    Sympathies, but thank you for the wry reports - both interesting and good to see your sense of humour is unaffected. Get better soon!!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,552

    SAGE have demanded that this thread is locked down.

    We comply.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I'm old enough to remember when the pb.com tories were strumming themselves off over the perspicacity of UKG allowing the 'exit wave' to happen in the summer as opposed to the Europeans who would be having their 'exit wave' in the winter.

    GET A FUCKING JAB

    REALLY

    ENOUGH
    His vaccine status has nothing to do with you ffs
    The problem is that we are all totally exhausted by this rotten pandemic, a lot of us are really, seriously dreading the lockdown that we are convinced is coming and will be very long and difficult, and a lot of the trouble is caused by refusers clogging up hospital capacity, especially critical care capacity.

    It's a point that has been made often enough before, but is worth re-stating once again: if enough of the capacity to care for very sick patients is monopolised by Covid gaspers, most of whom are unvaccinated, then (a) the hospitals scream that they'll soon be unable to treat acute emergencies and that there must be more restrictions to try to choke off the flow of Covid patients; and (b) an awful lot of other care, especially that which might require the capacity for post-operative recovery, gets cancelled. Putting it bluntly, the NHS throws the lives of sick cancer patients and others on the scrapheap, by denying them surgery until they become incurable or simply die waiting, in order to prioritise the gaspers.

    Vaccine refusers' right to choose comes with a very heavy cost: death or permanent harm for some members of society, and often devastating curtailments of liberty for everyone else.

    The heel diggers are as much of a liability as people who choose to drive at 120mph the wrong way down the M6. Just because they feel entitled to do it doesn't mean that they shouldn't be stopped.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494
    edited December 2021

    On topic: there was a boris downing street Christmas party joke at the sunderland panto ffs

    Gives me the idea they will sing about these events in Nursery Rhymes in 600 years time. Like Humpty Dumpty the Cavalier Cannon.

    Humpty Dumpty had a Great Ball
    Humpty Dumpty had a Great Fall

    Or something better obviously, full of subconscious, hooded wink meaning.

    Do we are have collective skills on PB to invent that nursery rhyme?

    Which tune to copy? Is Boris associated to a particular tune?
    I’ve had a quick go. To Elsie Marley

    Boris Johnson Ruled Inept
    To the rules he never once kept
    To this old rogue comeuppance crept
    When above the party he soundly slept

    The gauntlet is down Sunil. 😘
    There was a young man named Farage
    Who once got locked in his garage
    He campaigned so hard
    But let down his guard
    And fell to an electoral barrage!
    Nice. 😉

    Did he get locked in a garage though, or is it a cunning allegory?

    Like my he was asleep and didn’t see it coming allegory. Or my ‘party’ of cut throats plotters creeping up the stairs metaphor?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,523



    Consistently ahead for a week! "Starmer is on target for a landslide"

    Consistently behind for vast majority of his leadership. "Yeah but Corbyn"

    Like you, I liked Corbyn and still do. But I struggle to think you'll really feel when it comes to it that re-electing the current lot for another five years is better than a Starmer-led alternative.
  • Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I'm old enough to remember when the pb.com tories were strumming themselves off over the perspicacity of UKG allowing the 'exit wave' to happen in the summer as opposed to the Europeans who would be having their 'exit wave' in the winter.

    Cases would be under 10 000 by Christmas.
    Harsh. As Lillico keeps saying - there was the caveat that a mutation did not spring out of nowhere that evaded immunity.
    Except the mutation doesn't fully evade immunity, so having the exit wave over the summer is still a big bonus over not having done so.

    Even if some of the antivaxxers who got caught up in the summer now end up getting it a second time over the winter due to evaded immunity, they should be able to cope better having already got some immunity from their prior infection.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494

    On topic: there was a boris downing street Christmas party joke at the sunderland panto ffs

    Gives me the idea they will sing about these events in Nursery Rhymes in 600 years time. Like Humpty Dumpty the Cavalier Cannon.

    Humpty Dumpty had a Great Ball
    Humpty Dumpty had a Great Fall

    Or something better obviously, full of subconscious, hooded wink meaning.

    Do we are have collective skills on PB to invent that nursery rhyme?

    Which tune to copy? Is Boris associated to a particular tune?
    I’ve had a quick go. To Elsie Marley

    Boris Johnson Ruled Inept
    To the rules he never once kept
    To this old rogue comeuppance crept
    When above the party he soundly slept

    The gauntlet is down Sunil. 😘
    There was a young man named Farage
    Who once got locked in his garage
    He campaigned so hard
    But let down his guard
    And fell to an electoral barrage!
    Nice. 😉

    Did he get locked in a garage though, or is it a cunning allegory?

    Like my he was asleep and didn’t see it coming allegory. Or my ‘party’ of cut throats plotters creeping up the stairs metaphor?
    Sorry for being the boring sober one in the drunken pub and tipless tonight, but I am driving very earlier tomorrow to my friends family for the weekend because she is coming with me at Christmas. When I am there in morning I will sort out the days horse racing tips. Night 🙋‍♀️
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,400
    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I'm old enough to remember when the pb.com tories were strumming themselves off over the perspicacity of UKG allowing the 'exit wave' to happen in the summer as opposed to the Europeans who would be having their 'exit wave' in the winter.

    Really

    Are you going to treat us to your ludicrous, embarrassing, faeces-flinging fantasies of your exciting, militaristic, motorbiking past-life with a plutocratic suicidal bent even as you crow about not having a jab COS YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT FUCKING TREE FROGS and thereby condemn the rest of of us to another hellish lockdown, and, some of us, death?

    Fuck off. Get tae fuck. Fuck the fuck off you appalling fucking fraud. FUCK. OFF.
    I was lauding you as the voice of reason earlier.
    Maybe you are?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I'm old enough to remember when the pb.com tories were strumming themselves off over the perspicacity of UKG allowing the 'exit wave' to happen in the summer as opposed to the Europeans who would be having their 'exit wave' in the winter.

    Cases would be under 10 000 by Christmas.
    Harsh. As Lillico keeps saying - there was the caveat that a mutation did not spring out of nowhere that evaded immunity.
    Who could have predicted that 6 months after the last major variant with increased transmissability that appeared 6 months after the last that itself appeared 6 months after the start of the pandemic that a major new variant appeared.

    Jist out of the blue.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    I made this comment last night at about 11pm



    “I reckon its time to play PB PLAGUE PREDICTIONS BINGO

    The world is teetering on the abyss. This could all blow over in a week and we go back to worrying about Boris's bald patch OR human civilisation will be snuffed out like a candle at Christingle, probably around Christingle

    In that light, what do we predict? I'll go first


    Lockdown: YES

    Lockdown when: introduced incrementally, but fast. Plan C from about mid December, Plan Z (a harsh lockdown) from around Jan 1

    Lockdown how long: not long. It won't do much. 3-4 weeks

    UK hospitalisations between now and end March 2022: 310,000

    UK deaths in the same period: 49,000”


    Interestingly it turns out I am bang in the middle of expert predictions:


    “In the most optimistic scenario, which assumes Omicron has low immune escape and booster jabs are highly effective, the model projects between 1 December and 31 April:
    20.9 million infections
    175,000 hospital admissions
    24,700 deaths

    In the most pessimistic scenario, which assumes Omicron has high immune escape and booster jabs are less effective, the model projects between 1 December and 31 April:
    34.2 million infections
    492,000 hospital admissions
    74,900 deaths”

    Sometimes I scare myself

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59621029
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