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That’s your “ultimate" goal then. You’d settle for Yorkshirte, as “penultimate" en route to “ultimate”.TheScreamingEagles said:
My ultimate role is Directly Elected Dictator of Greater Yorkshire.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, there should be one mayor, for all Yorkshire. Having a bit of the South with Derbyshire and a lump of Midlands is just weird.
A stepping stone for being Directly Elected Dictator of the U.K.0 -
Given that Corbyn is notable mainly for having held and propagated for the last 40 years some of the shabbiest ideas and philosophies around, he has quite a nerve quoting this saying, whoever said it.TheScreamingEagles said:Thinking as quickly on his feet as he ever does, Corbyn barely responded to the jibe at the time. But a helpful aide, armed with Google, later tweeted what he claimed was a quote by Einstein: "If most of us are ashamed of shabby clothes and shoddy furniture let us be more ashamed of shabby ideas and shoddy philosophies."
Wise words and often found in online lists of quotations, but the TMS diary reports that Einstein never said it. It's been misattributed to him for years.
As Abraham Lincoln once said: "30 per cent of quotes on the internet are made up."0 -
Shami Chakrabarti: ‘Who’s the most dangerous person in Britain? David Cameron’
http://www.theguardian.com/voluntary-sector-network/2016/feb/25/shami-chakrabarti-liberty-david-cameron?CMP=twt_gu0 -
Again from memory it was in response to a suggestion by Churchill in 1945 that a referendum be held on continuing the wartime coalition beyond the defeat of Germany to further postpone the date of the general election.OldKingCole said:
Googled it and it appears to be Attlee’s originially. Thatcher credited him with it in her 1975 speech on the matter.JohnO said:
My thought is was Attlee.Innocent_Abroad said:
Was it Maggie who said that? I thought it was Churchill.Casino_Royale said:
David Cameron has now held three referendums.AlastairMeeks said:
It's a good example of what Margaret Thatcher meant when she said that the referendum was a device of demagogues and dictators.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
New EU referendum, in Hungary, on whether migrant quotas should be accepted:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35657054
Not Hungarian, but I'd guess it's a dead cert, and a way of getting clear popular support for a hardline stance.
Which one do you think he is?
Can’t find where Attlee said it, so iot might have been in conversation or an interview. Attlee actually said despots not demagogues.0 -
Polish male employment is 94%!!0
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I went to a primary school close to Leeds. Vague memories of discussing Savile being a kiddy fiddler were occasionally had in the playground.
We must have been very informed children to discuss matters that even Savile's own colleagues didn't apparently know about.0 -
The other 6% are probably working but all cash in hand...NorfolkTilIDie said:Polish male employment is 94%!!
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Same as it will be after Cameron's benefit changes and the introduction of the living wageNorfolkTilIDie said:Polish male employment is 94%!!
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Male rate for Somalis is 40%, so four times higher, similar to Iranian men. But Iranian women are higher - 49%!!FrancisUrquhart said:
Is the male rate that much higher?NorfolkTilIDie said:Wow. Employment rate of Somali women is just 10%!!
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Perhaps if you had a British passport you wouldnt need one - or something.TheScreamingEagles said:
As a rule I'm opposed to ID cards.TGOHF said:
Perhaps Tony Blair was right about ID cards for NHS treatment. Perhaps ensuring it was very difficult to be either a benefit or health care tourist would mean a warmer welcome for working migrants ?TheScreamingEagles said:
My problem, apart from the pay cut, is that I'm commendably honest. I'd get into constant trouble with my utterances.bigjohnowls said:
I think you should stand.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not yet, but I've been urged to.Pulpstar said:
Have you put your name into the hat ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well if I'm chosen as the Tory candidate, I shall.Pulpstar said:
I urge you to take this message to Page Hall in the upcoming Brightside by-election.TheScreamingEagles said:
But remember immigration is good for the economyPulpstar said:
I don't, but along with the aging population it puts more pressure on housing and services. In particular the idea of a free market for housing is a complete non starter given most of the country supports some form of planning laws.TheScreamingEagles said:
Why do you hate immigrants ? Listen to the podcast and the love Carswell has for immigrants.Pulpstar said:
Back to Brexit I go.TheScreamingEagles said:
The combination of unfettered immigration and a perfectly natural desire to have some sort of planning rule on housing is one of free market demand and de facto state controlled supply. It is a poor combination.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/immigrants-boost-the-economy-says-niesr-8921634.html
For some reason people think I should become an MP or possibly the Sheffield City Region Mayor.
Like 'If you lost out on the job market to someone who moved here and can barely speak English, stop whining about immigrants and improve your skill set'
But I see that idea having merits.
My Grandfather was genuinely touched by how warmly he was received as a working immigrant here, so it would work to dip into the majority of Brits who welcome working immigrants.
But surely its not beyond the wit nor will of a government ?0 -
The Independent Police Commission has begun 55 investigations into alleged police misconduct linked to Rotherham child sex crimes. It has received complaints against 92 named officers.Plato_Says said:Press Gazette
Rotherham sex gang victim: 'Only reason police started this investigation is because The Times printed my story' https://t.co/8MfJtYbyxb
Jesus wept..... What the hell was going on in South Yorkshire Police?0 -
So still piss poor basically.NorfolkTilIDie said:
Male rate for Somalis is 40%, so four times higher, similar to Iranian men. But Iranian women are higher - 49%!!FrancisUrquhart said:
Is the male rate that much higher?NorfolkTilIDie said:Wow. Employment rate of Somali women is just 10%!!
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Thanks. Interesting study. Does appear to be based on country of birth though, not non-UK nationals, you'd assume many of those referred to hold UK passports.NorfolkTilIDie said:
I found this, but its from 2008 so maybe out of date.Polruan said:
How does that break down? Presumably if they are non-EU nationals then they are here under some kind of visa that we have decided it's in Britain's interests to grant. I can see that foreign students would skew the employment figures, and refugees are taken on compassionate grounds whereby we accept that they may not be a net benefit to our economy (in the short-medium term at least), but what on basis would the remaining under-employed/welfare dependent non-EU groups be here?chestnut said:One thing that needs to be said in favour of new arrivals from EU2 countries, and indeed EU8 ones, is that they have a very high employment rate - higher than UK nationals, in fact.
When we look at the detail of poor employment rates and high rates of welfare dependency, it's other groups from beyond the EU that figure most prominently.
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lmac/employment-of-foreign-workers/employment-of-foreign-workers-male-and-female-labour-market-participation/employment-of-foreign-workers--male-and-female-labour-market-participation.pdf
Lowest rate is Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. Highest rate is South Africans.
Also appears to be looking at labour market participation rather than unemployment, which is a different issue... obviously the entitlement to out-of-work benefits etc is very limited in the case of a non-working spouse.0 -
Mr. Mark, collusion, incompetence and literally turning a blind eye to widespread rape in the name of political correctness, if the allegations are true.
I do think there's a dangerously low level of trust in policing. Political influence affects not only the Rotherham cases (no action or even active collusion, allegedly) but the zealous persecution, with little or no cause, of old men in London by Hogan-Howe.0 -
Saville’s colleagues appear to have been aware, according to the report as published on the BBC site. They just didn’t pass anything up the chain, largely because he was “talent” and as such any improprieties should be ignored.Morris_Dancer said:I went to a primary school close to Leeds. Vague memories of discussing Savile being a kiddy fiddler were occasionally had in the playground.
We must have been very informed children to discuss matters that even Savile's own colleagues didn't apparently know about.0 -
If we have this nirvana on employment , why is the benefits bill so colossal.AlastairMeeks said:With unemployment down to 5.1% and the number of vacancies per unemployed having halved in just over two years, it's just as well we've got all these immigrants coming to fill them.
Net immigration will reduce under one of the following circumstances:
1) Britain's economy falters.
2) The rest of the EU's economy picks up.
3) We voluntarily decide to sabotage our own economy by preventing people from coming to do the jobs that employers think need doing.
There is a very longterm solution of training more of our economically inactive to do the work, but that's not going to happen overnight or indeed in a few years.0 -
In work benefits that can only be cured by progressive move to higher wages as per new National Living Wagemalcolmg said:
If we have this nirvana on employment , why is the benefits bill so colossal.AlastairMeeks said:With unemployment down to 5.1% and the number of vacancies per unemployed having halved in just over two years, it's just as well we've got all these immigrants coming to fill them.
Net immigration will reduce under one of the following circumstances:
1) Britain's economy falters.
2) The rest of the EU's economy picks up.
3) We voluntarily decide to sabotage our own economy by preventing people from coming to do the jobs that employers think need doing.
There is a very longterm solution of training more of our economically inactive to do the work, but that's not going to happen overnight or indeed in a few years.0 -
Agree; I suspect that “trust” was largely a middle-class thing and that the change is that the middle and ipper classes are now as suspicious of the police as the working class were once upon a time.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Mark, collusion, incompetence and literally turning a blind eye to widespread rape in the name of political correctness, if the allegations are true.
I do think there's a dangerously low level of trust in policing. Political influence affects not only the Rotherham cases (no action or even active collusion, allegedly) but the zealous persecution, with little or no cause, of old men in London by Hogan-Howe.0 -
Telegraph have some great readers letters today
#LetterstotheEditor: A man troubled by prostitutes wrote indignantly on November 17 1855 https://t.co/oOI1nruJAH https://t.co/ANCKxH79mq0 -
I'm not entirely sure what the grievance is with people that come into the country, support themselves, integrate reasonably well, have cultural compatibility, work hard and pay taxes.
The problem is people that expect or need to be supported, who won't integrate and who drain taxes.
We grow enough of our own who fulfil at least two of those criteria.0 -
Perhaps we could call them "Entitlement Cards"TheScreamingEagles said:
As a rule I'm opposed to ID cards.
But I see that idea having merits.
My Grandfather was genuinely touched by how warmly he was received as a working immigrant here, so it would work to dip into the majority of Brits who welcome working immigrants.
I mentioned on here a month or two ago that ID cards were going to come back on the agenda. There have been the odd article her and there in the press pushing their benefits, they are also, so I am told, being again mentioned in civil service discussion papers and now they are cropping up on here. Once we vote to stay in the EU and Cameron goes I think we can expect them to come back into politicians' open speech. The idea of ID cards is beloved by the Civil Service and they are too useful a tool of government in the modern age to be ignored for long.0 -
Very believable. Everybody knew, except when it got to a certain level. The upper management must be really cut off from the shop floor. Sounds like a terribly run business if that is true.OldKingCole said:
Saville’s colleagues appear to have been aware, according to the report as published on the BBC site. They just didn’t pass anything up the chain, largely because he was “talent” and as such any improprieties should be ignored.Morris_Dancer said:I went to a primary school close to Leeds. Vague memories of discussing Savile being a kiddy fiddler were occasionally had in the playground.
We must have been very informed children to discuss matters that even Savile's own colleagues didn't apparently know about.0 -
Because Gordon Brown thought it was a good idea to subsidise employers by giving larger in work benefits.malcolmg said:
If we have this nirvana on employment , why is the benefits bill so colossal.AlastairMeeks said:With unemployment down to 5.1% and the number of vacancies per unemployed having halved in just over two years, it's just as well we've got all these immigrants coming to fill them.
Net immigration will reduce under one of the following circumstances:
1) Britain's economy falters.
2) The rest of the EU's economy picks up.
3) We voluntarily decide to sabotage our own economy by preventing people from coming to do the jobs that employers think need doing.
There is a very longterm solution of training more of our economically inactive to do the work, but that's not going to happen overnight or indeed in a few years.0 -
National Day of Action against benefit sanctions on 9th March.I hope Pbers will join their local actions.0
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What on earth are they doing here ?FrancisUrquhart said:
So still piss poor basically.NorfolkTilIDie said:
Male rate for Somalis is 40%, so four times higher, similar to Iranian men. But Iranian women are higher - 49%!!FrancisUrquhart said:
Is the male rate that much higher?NorfolkTilIDie said:Wow. Employment rate of Somali women is just 10%!!
Adding to the cultural gaiety of the nation ??
At least the polish builders & plumbers fix up your kitchen and bathroom.0 -
Mr. Llama, I hope you're wrong on ID cards. They're a rancid idea that belong in dystopian fiction, like perpetual revisionism of history or the Ministry of Justice.0
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Or TSE's Yorkshire has a Putin like appetite for expansionism?OldKingCole said:
That’s your “ultimate" goal then. You’d settle for Yorkshirte, as “penultimate" en route to “ultimate”.TheScreamingEagles said:
My ultimate role is Directly Elected Dictator of Greater Yorkshire.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, there should be one mayor, for all Yorkshire. Having a bit of the South with Derbyshire and a lump of Midlands is just weird.
A stepping stone for being Directly Elected Dictator of the U.K.0 -
National day of Benefit sanctions you say ? I'll be up for that one.volcanopete said:National Day of Action against benefit sanctions on 9th March.I hope Pbers will join their local actions.
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I'm definitely feeling right wing vibes this morning, probably all that betting on Trump
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https://www.conservatives.com/joinPulpstar said:I'm definitely feeling right wing vibes this morning, probably all that betting on Trump
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It is basically impossible to send anybody back to Somalia. And 2nd generation as a group are performing badly at school etc etc etc, where as Polish offspring are boosting attainment figures.Pulpstar said:
What on earth are they doing here ?FrancisUrquhart said:
So still piss poor basically.NorfolkTilIDie said:
Male rate for Somalis is 40%, so four times higher, similar to Iranian men. But Iranian women are higher - 49%!!FrancisUrquhart said:
Is the male rate that much higher?NorfolkTilIDie said:Wow. Employment rate of Somali women is just 10%!!
Adding to the cultural gaiety of the nation ??
At least the polish builders & plumbers fix up your kitchen and bathroom.0 -
Refugees innit?Pulpstar said:
What on earth are they doing here ?FrancisUrquhart said:
So still piss poor basically.NorfolkTilIDie said:
Male rate for Somalis is 40%, so four times higher, similar to Iranian men. But Iranian women are higher - 49%!!FrancisUrquhart said:
Is the male rate that much higher?NorfolkTilIDie said:Wow. Employment rate of Somali women is just 10%!!
Adding to the cultural gaiety of the nation ??
At least the polish builders & plumbers fix up your kitchen and bathroom.
Ooh la lala
Who is going to drive looky looky north London minicabs and chew chat if these boys aren't here? Not our feckless yoof0 -
I remember reading an analysis that dated the change to the spread of motoring prosecutions, aided by speed cameras. Before that, most middle-class people never encountered the police except as customers seeking their help, so they saw them as entirely benevolent. Once they'd had a few speeding tickets, in some cases with marginal arguments about fairness, they started to share the resentment which working-class people often had after comparable minor brushes with the law.OldKingCole said:
Agree; I suspect that “trust” was larfgely a middle-class thing and that the change is that the middle and ipper classes are now as suspicious of the police as the working class were once upon a time.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Mark, collusion, incompetence and literally turning a blind eye to widespread rape in the name of political correctness, if the allegations are true.
I do think there's a dangerously low level of trust in policing. Political influence affects not only the Rotherham cases (no action or even active collusion, allegedly) but the zealous persecution, with little or no cause, of old men in London by Hogan-Howe.
An anecdote that I've mentioned before: a teenage constituent told me that he and a friend had been "moved on" by a policeman for sitting chatting on a public bench, because a householder a hundred yards away had complained that they might be discussing how to break into his house. The teenager, a well-spoken young man dressed unexceptionably, felt that the policeman had clearly decided that the irrational fears of householders took priority over young people sitting harmlessly in a public space, and that had made him less favourable to the police than before. Assuming the facts were as described, I thought he had a perfectly reasonable point. I've heard similar things from black people, who say they get stopped when just going about their business.
It's clearly not easy for the police to strike the right balance, but it only takes the odd incident like that to sour people.0 -
Major athletics figures? And there are very old, long integrated, Somali communities in Cardiff and South Shields.FrancisUrquhart said:
It is basically impossible to send anybody back to Somalia. And 2nd generation as a group are performing badly at school etc etc etc, where as Polish offspring are boosting attainment figures.Pulpstar said:
What on earth are they doing here ?FrancisUrquhart said:
So still piss poor basically.NorfolkTilIDie said:
Male rate for Somalis is 40%, so four times higher, similar to Iranian men. But Iranian women are higher - 49%!!FrancisUrquhart said:
Is the male rate that much higher?NorfolkTilIDie said:Wow. Employment rate of Somali women is just 10%!!
Adding to the cultural gaiety of the nation ??
At least the polish builders & plumbers fix up your kitchen and bathroom.0 -
Jahangir Khan involved I see... Posts mentioning him used to get deleted by 'the moderator'MarqueeMark said:
The Independent Police Commission has begun 55 investigations into alleged police misconduct linked to Rotherham child sex crimes. It has received complaints against 92 named officers.Plato_Says said:Press Gazette
Rotherham sex gang victim: 'Only reason police started this investigation is because The Times printed my story' https://t.co/8MfJtYbyxb
Jesus wept..... What the hell was going on in South Yorkshire Police?0 -
Mr. Cole, your suspicions are greatly misplaced. My wife was a copper for nearly twenty years working both shitty council estates in Brighton and "nice" areas. She always maintained that the reception she received from the denizens of Moulscomb (expressed in cups of tea per hour) was much higher than in Middle Class areas.OldKingCole said:
Agree; I suspect that “trust” was larfgely a middle-class thing and that the change is that the middle and ipper classes are now as suspicious of the police as the working class were once upon a time.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Mark, collusion, incompetence and literally turning a blind eye to widespread rape in the name of political correctness, if the allegations are true.
I do think there's a dangerously low level of trust in policing. Political influence affects not only the Rotherham cases (no action or even active collusion, allegedly) but the zealous persecution, with little or no cause, of old men in London by Hogan-Howe.
She is of the opinion that the difference between how the police are perceived now (and she has very little time for them) and then is due to the fact that the police have removed themselves from the community and have lost their integrity ("fat, lazy, ill-disciplined and useless").0 -
Always wise to keep in with the coppers.HurstLlama said:
Mr. Cole, your suspicions are greatly misplaced. My wife was a copper for nearly twenty years working both shitty council estates in Brighton and "nice" areas. She always maintained that the reception she received from the denizens of Moulscomb (expressed in cups of tea per hour) was much higher than in Middle Class areas.OldKingCole said:
Agree; I suspect that “trust” was larfgely a middle-class thing and that the change is that the middle and ipper classes are now as suspicious of the police as the working class were once upon a time.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Mark, collusion, incompetence and literally turning a blind eye to widespread rape in the name of political correctness, if the allegations are true.
I do think there's a dangerously low level of trust in policing. Political influence affects not only the Rotherham cases (no action or even active collusion, allegedly) but the zealous persecution, with little or no cause, of old men in London by Hogan-Howe.
She is of the opinion that the difference between how the police are perceived now (and she has very little time for them) and then is due to the fact that the police have removed themselves from the community and have lost their integrity ("fat, lazy, ill-disciplined and useless").0 -
Democrat Super Tuesday Forecast (Regular delegates)
Clinton 612
Sanders 4090 -
Holy Cow
Dame Janet is absolutely appalling in this BBC press conference.
Superior, smug, not interested in victims lack of faith in her conclusions. She's beyond the archetypal Establishment figure. 1/10.0 -
And who believes this? Seriously? Rising stars always know gossip and pass it upwards to win points.FrancisUrquhart said:
Very believable. Everybody knew, except when it got to a certain level. The upper management must be really cut off from the shop floor. Sounds like a terribly run business if that is true.OldKingCole said:
Saville’s colleagues appear to have been aware, according to the report as published on the BBC site. They just didn’t pass anything up the chain, largely because he was “talent” and as such any improprieties should be ignored.Morris_Dancer said:I went to a primary school close to Leeds. Vague memories of discussing Savile being a kiddy fiddler were occasionally had in the playground.
We must have been very informed children to discuss matters that even Savile's own colleagues didn't apparently know about.0 -
your forecast? or someone elses? are there any markets?Pulpstar said:Democrat Super Tuesday Forecast (Regular delegates)
Clinton 612
Sanders 4090 -
My work, cribbed from Rod's GOP spreadsheet.TheWhiteRabbit said:
your forecast? or someone elses? are there any markets?Pulpstar said:Democrat Super Tuesday Forecast (Regular delegates)
Clinton 612
Sanders 409
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/112R0zDRQLC2cxE1op0TY-IBq_PTtcxpwgfbu87DI45w/edit?usp=sharing
It won't be entirely accurate yet as the polling data for some places is very old.
I expect Sanders to beat that a touch actually.0 -
What are "benefit sanctions" ?volcanopete said:National Day of Action against benefit sanctions on 9th March.I hope Pbers will join their local actions.
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The most valuable training by far happens in the workplace and is never going to happen while employers have a cheaper option.AlastairMeeks said:
There is a very longterm solution of training more of our economically inactive to do the work, but that's not going to happen overnight or indeed in a few years.
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Dan Hodges
According to Smith report "In 1973, Douglas Muggeridge, the Controller of Radio 1 and 2 heard rumours about Savile’s sexual impropriety"...
Apparently these weren't senior managers. FFS.0 -
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When you have your benefits reduced because of any one of a number of transgressions, for example, not taking a job when offeredTGOHF said:
What are "benefit sanctions" ?volcanopete said:National Day of Action against benefit sanctions on 9th March.I hope Pbers will join their local actions.
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"My conclusion is certain junior & mid ranking individuals were aware of Savile’s inappropriate conduct" << always protect people at the top0
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Come on, Miss Plato, you know how the game is played. La Smith has said she found no evidence that senior figures knew what was going on. I am sure that is true. Whether she looked or how hard she looked is another matter.Plato_Says said:And who believes this? Seriously? Rising stars always know gossip and pass it upwards to win points.
FrancisUrquhart said:
Very believable. Everybody knew, except when it got to a certain level. The upper management must be really cut off from the shop floor. Sounds like a terribly run business if that is true.OldKingCole said:
Saville’s colleagues appear to have been aware, according to the report as published on the BBC site. They just didn’t pass anything up the chain, largely because he was “talent” and as such any improprieties should be ignored.Morris_Dancer said:I went to a primary school close to Leeds. Vague memories of discussing Savile being a kiddy fiddler were occasionally had in the playground.
We must have been very informed children to discuss matters that even Savile's own colleagues didn't apparently know about.
I am reminded of the Desmond Glazebrook approach to investigation of financial impropriety in the City, "First hint of trouble, have the chap up for lunch and ask him, straight out, if there is anything in it".0 -
Interesting description of not senior manager. Controller of R1 / R2 just a lowly drone.Plato_Says said:Dan Hodges
According to Smith report "In 1973, Douglas Muggeridge, the Controller of Radio 1 and 2 heard rumours about Savile’s sexual impropriety"...
Apparently these weren't senior managers. FFS.0 -
Electoral Commission
We've just published details on donations and loans made to political parties in Q4 2015. See our release here: https://t.co/gpHshx73iP0 -
One thing I am concerned about - is that the progress of the EU will inevitably lead to the scrapping of the Jury system in the UK as the legal processes are harmonised.0
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Miss Plato, I don't know what you mean. I promise you, there are no American tanks in Baghdad.0
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I don't know why but I have the Jim'll Fix It theme tune going around in my head...
Your letter was only the start of it
1 letter and now ur a part of it
now you've done it JimJanet has fixed it for u
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Failing to sign on as required or not having evidence of job searching.TheWhiteRabbit said:
When you have your benefits reduced because of any one of a number of transgressions, for example, not taking a job when offeredTGOHF said:
What are "benefit sanctions" ?volcanopete said:National Day of Action against benefit sanctions on 9th March.I hope Pbers will join their local actions.
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Perhaps the relevant semantics here are not around the definition of 'senior', but the distinction between 'knew' and 'heard rumours'? The extent to which that distinction was tested when asking what Muggeridge (and others) knew would be key in assessing whether the report has come to a reasonable final conclusion on this specific point.FrancisUrquhart said:
Interesting description of not senior manager. Controller of R1 / R2 just a lowly drone.Plato_Says said:Dan Hodges
According to Smith report "In 1973, Douglas Muggeridge, the Controller of Radio 1 and 2 heard rumours about Savile’s sexual impropriety"...
Apparently these weren't senior managers. FFS.0 -
The Smith enquiry is about as convincing as the Hutton enquiry was.0
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Andy Coulson shares the view that I take that David Cameron made a strategic mistake in slapping down Boris Johnson:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson/12171839/The-Prime-Minister-shouldnt-engage-in-hand-to-hand-combat-with-Boris.html0 -
So a broad section of society expected at these days of action ?TheWhiteRabbit said:
When you have your benefits reduced because of any one of a number of transgressions, for example, not taking a job when offeredTGOHF said:
What are "benefit sanctions" ?volcanopete said:National Day of Action against benefit sanctions on 9th March.I hope Pbers will join their local actions.
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Honestly, watch Dame Janet on replay, she's awful.
Her bit claiming to regret that victims didn't feel her report was accurate is just urgh. She's as high handed and unconvincing as I've ever heard. She sounded like she was talking to the bottom of her shoe.
My mouth fell open.
Tony Hall was pretty good, Rhona Fairhead is reading a press release with zero feelingHertsmere_Pubgoer said:The Smith enquiry is about as convincing as the Hutton enquiry was.
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Re: Savile. The Journalist Lynn Barbour put it to Savile in an interview published in 1990 that there were persistent rumours that he was sexually interested in little girls. Of course he denied it.
Given that rumours had appeared in print, why didn't senior management insist that children were chaperoned when anywhere near him?0 -
I hope that the Labour party maximise their support for this and feature in the news reports.volcanopete said:National Day of Action against benefit sanctions on 9th March.I hope Pbers will join their local actions.
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Louis Theroux....SandraM said:Re: Savile. The Journalist Lynn Barbour put it to Savile in an interview published in 1990 that there were persistent rumours that he was sexually interested in little girls. Of course he denied it.
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Well quite. And didn't he go there with Anthony Clare too?FrancisUrquhart said:
Louis Theroux....SandraM said:Re: Savile. The Journalist Lynn Barbour put it to Savile in an interview published in 1990 that there were persistent rumours that he was sexually interested in little girls. Of course he denied it.
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Have to say, Tony Hall isn't convincing me over Blackburn at all.
He's never been a target until now, today his life is over 45yrs later.0 -
Interesting idea of setting May on Boris, if she's up for it.AlastairMeeks said:Andy Coulson shares the view that I take that David Cameron made a strategic mistake in slapping down Boris Johnson:
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I didn't switch over until later into the broadcast. Will have a butchers this afternoon.Plato_Says said:Honestly, watch Dame Janet on replay, she's awful.
Her bit claiming to regret that victims didn't feel her report was accurate is just urgh. She's as high handed and unconvincing as I've ever heard. She sounded like she was talking to the bottom of her shoe.
My mouth fell open.
Tony Hall was pretty good, Rhona Fairhead is reading a press release with zero feelingHertsmere_Pubgoer said:The Smith enquiry is about as convincing as the Hutton enquiry was.
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I wonder how high it went to decide to cut John Lydon's comments?Plato_Says said:Well quite. And didn't he go there with Anthony Clare too?
FrancisUrquhart said:
Louis Theroux....SandraM said:Re: Savile. The Journalist Lynn Barbour put it to Savile in an interview published in 1990 that there were persistent rumours that he was sexually interested in little girls. Of course he denied it.
Given that rumours had appeared in print, why didn't senior management insist that children were chaperoned when anywhere near him?0 -
Does anyone know if @JosiasJessop is okay?0
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Oh I don't know about that? What was it?FrancisUrquhart said:
I wonder how high it went to decide to cut John Lydon's comments?Plato_Says said:Well quite. And didn't he go there with Anthony Clare too?
FrancisUrquhart said:
Louis Theroux....SandraM said:Re: Savile. The Journalist Lynn Barbour put it to Savile in an interview published in 1990 that there were persistent rumours that he was sexually interested in little girls. Of course he denied it.
Given that rumours had appeared in print, why didn't senior management insist that children were chaperoned when anywhere near him?0 -
Miss Plato, Miss Jones asked the other day, but it seemed unclear, unfortunately.0
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I can't remember the exact quote, but in 1978 he gave a radio interview and basically he said he would like to kill him because of what an evil man he was and that bit got cut. And he since clarified and said everybody in the biz knew and he was disgusted by it.Plato_Says said:Oh I don't know about that? What was it?
FrancisUrquhart said:
I wonder how high it went to decide to cut John Lydon's comments?Plato_Says said:Well quite. And didn't he go there with Anthony Clare too?
FrancisUrquhart said:
Louis Theroux....SandraM said:Re: Savile. The Journalist Lynn Barbour put it to Savile in an interview published in 1990 that there were persistent rumours that he was sexually interested in little girls. Of course he denied it.
Given that rumours had appeared in print, why didn't senior management insist that children were chaperoned when anywhere near him?0 -
Political donations between 1 October and 31 December 2015,
Conservative Party – £5,152,334
Labour Party – £2,669,241
Liberal Democrats – £828,657
UKIP – £196,282
BNP – £180,000
SNP – £54,030
Who the hell gave the BNP £180k? And doesn't seem anybody wants to give UKIP much money.0 -
150k of the BNP donation was from a single individualFrancisUrquhart said:Political donations between 1 October and 31 December 2015,
Conservative Party – £5,152,334
Labour Party – £2,669,241
Liberal Democrats – £828,657
UKIP – £196,282
BNP – £180,000
SNP – £54,030
Who the hell gave the BNP £180k? And doesn't seem anybody wants to give UKIP much money.
Very surprised that the LibDems outraise UKIP 4-10 -
The relatively small number of donors the kippers have are probably pouring all their spare cash into the Leave campaigns, they don't have luxury of the government paying their bills unlike the Remain campaign.FrancisUrquhart said:Who the hell gave the BNP £180k? And doesn't seem anybody wants to give UKIP much money.
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Also when Jobcentre staff decide to change the date or time a claimant is required to sign on. The claimant is sent a letter but if he fails to receive it in time and does not appear at the new time he/she is sanctioned. There has been clear evidence of managers doing this quite deliberately to meet targets imposed on them.TheWhiteRabbit said:
When you have your benefits reduced because of any one of a number of transgressions, for example, not taking a job when offeredTGOHF said:
What are "benefit sanctions" ?volcanopete said:National Day of Action against benefit sanctions on 9th March.I hope Pbers will join their local actions.
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Much of the stuff about Saville that turned out to be true was on the Popbitch website over a decade ago. Enough people clearly knew, yet nothing happened.FrancisUrquhart said:
Louis Theroux....SandraM said:Re: Savile. The Journalist Lynn Barbour put it to Savile in an interview published in 1990 that there were persistent rumours that he was sexually interested in little girls. Of course he denied it.
Given that rumours had appeared in print, why didn't senior management insist that children were chaperoned when anywhere near him?0 -
Link to this evidence?justin124 said:
Also when Jobcentre staff decide to change the date or time a claimant is required to sign on. The claimant is sent a letter but if he fails to receive it in time and does not appear at the new time he/she is sanctioned. There has been clear evidence of managers doing this quite deliberately to meet targets imposed on them.TheWhiteRabbit said:
When you have your benefits reduced because of any one of a number of transgressions, for example, not taking a job when offeredTGOHF said:
What are "benefit sanctions" ?volcanopete said:National Day of Action against benefit sanctions on 9th March.I hope Pbers will join their local actions.
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I am acquainted with people at the DWP who do the job and have been pressured by their managers to behave in this way! I also am aware of two people who found this culture so unethical and stressful that they left.0
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I'm currently claiming JSA.Plato_Says said:Link to this evidence?
justin124 said:
Also when Jobcentre staff decide to change the date or time a claimant is required to sign on. The claimant is sent a letter but if he fails to receive it in time and does not appear at the new time he/she is sanctioned. There has been clear evidence of managers doing this quite deliberately to meet targets imposed on them.TheWhiteRabbit said:
When you have your benefits reduced because of any one of a number of transgressions, for example, not taking a job when offeredTGOHF said:
What are "benefit sanctions" ?volcanopete said:National Day of Action against benefit sanctions on 9th March.I hope Pbers will join their local actions.
When signing on they tell you what time to sign on in a fortnights time.0 -
For examplePlato_Says said:Link to this evidence?
justin124 said:
Also when Jobcentre staff decide to change the date or time a claimant is required to sign on. The claimant is sent a letter but if he fails to receive it in time and does not appear at the new time he/she is sanctioned. There has been clear evidence of managers doing this quite deliberately to meet targets imposed on them.TheWhiteRabbit said:
When you have your benefits reduced because of any one of a number of transgressions, for example, not taking a job when offeredTGOHF said:
What are "benefit sanctions" ?volcanopete said:National Day of Action against benefit sanctions on 9th March.I hope Pbers will join their local actions.
http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/work-and-pensions-committee/benefit-sanctions-policy-beyond-the-oakley-review/written/16165.html
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Mr. Pubgoer, best of luck
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I don't think May has the right to question anyone on loyalty and motive.AlastairMeeks said:Andy Coulson shares the view that I take that David Cameron made a strategic mistake in slapping down Boris Johnson:
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I have just started to watch the Tony Hall live interviews and when a journalist "Neil Midgeley" asked him.
Qn - I understand that you have not personally sacked a person for bullying or intimidation, why not?
Hall waffled on about how there were fewer bullying allegations in 14/15 than 13/14. The journalist repeated the question.
Hall offered to go through later, all the last year's cases and then said "does your organisation have less bullying" or words to that effect.0 -
Very awkward hereFrancisUrquhart said:
Louis Theroux....SandraM said:Re: Savile. The Journalist Lynn Barbour put it to Savile in an interview published in 1990 that there were persistent rumours that he was sexually interested in little girls. Of course he denied it.
Given that rumours had appeared in print, why didn't senior management insist that children were chaperoned when anywhere near him?
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I signed on for a month a couple of years ago, and the JSA chap was gobsmacked at my efforts to find work. I didn't think it was extraordinary.
Then again, I actually wanted to get a job.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
I'm currently claiming JSA.Plato_Says said:Link to this evidence?
justin124 said:
Also when Jobcentre staff decide to change the date or time a claimant is required to sign on. The claimant is sent a letter but if he fails to receive it in time and does not appear at the new time he/she is sanctioned. There has been clear evidence of managers doing this quite deliberately to meet targets imposed on them.TheWhiteRabbit said:
When you have your benefits reduced because of any one of a number of transgressions, for example, not taking a job when offeredTGOHF said:
What are "benefit sanctions" ?volcanopete said:National Day of Action against benefit sanctions on 9th March.I hope Pbers will join their local actions.
When signing on they tell you what time to sign on in a fortnights time.0 -
Re: BBC and the culture of fear permeating it. Best way to fix it is to reduce it in size and allow more media players in. It is the BBC's size and the way it is able to intimidate people not wanting to fall fowl of the folk controlling work and appointments and new contracts etc.0
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I heard that exchange too, resort of the scoundrel.TCPoliticalBetting said:
I have just started to watch the Tony Hall live interviews and when a journalist "Neil Midgeley" asked him.
Qn - I understand that you have not personally sacked a person for bullying or intimidation, why not?
Hall waffled on about how there were fewer bullying allegations in 14/15 than 13/14. The journalist repeated the question.
Hall offered to go through later, all the last year's cases and then said "does your organisation have less bullying" or words to that effect.0 -
Re: Blackburn.
So the BBC acts against one of its folk on a short term contract who has the least legal protection, whilst no one is disciplined in the hierachy over looking the other way when abuse went on.....0 -
Icke outed Savile as a necrophiliac ten years ago.watford30 said:
Much of the stuff about Saville that turned out to be true was on the Popbitch website over a decade ago. Enough people clearly knew, yet nothing happened.FrancisUrquhart said:
Louis Theroux....SandraM said:Re: Savile. The Journalist Lynn Barbour put it to Savile in an interview published in 1990 that there were persistent rumours that he was sexually interested in little girls. Of course he denied it.
Given that rumours had appeared in print, why didn't senior management insist that children were chaperoned when anywhere near him?
Popbitch named Rolf Harris at a time when people never have believed it.0 -
If TSE is on the site, AV is on the BBC2 prog soon.0
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off topic...
I had flu last week and now have a cold. I am thoroughly pissed off.
Will there be less colds outside the EU? If Boris can co can promise me that I might switch.0 -
The same people also do keep recirculating in BBC programmes, its favoured artistes. It strikes me as most notable in comedy and sketch programmes where self indulgence is paraded as talent.TCPoliticalBetting said:Re: BBC and the culture of fear permeating it. Best way to fix it is to reduce it in size and allow more media players in. It is the BBC's size and the way it is able to intimidate people not wanting to fall fowl of the folk controlling work and appointments and new contracts etc.
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Jonathan said:
off topic...
I had flu last week and now have a cold. I am thoroughly pissed off.
Will there be less colds outside the EU? If Boris can co can promise me that I might switch.
If there is less immigration and bringing new diseases in, then the answer to your question is yes!
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Mr. Jonathan, no, but there may be fewer colds
Hope your pestilence abates promptly.0 -
Very true and into radio 5 interviews to promote their new book and tour etc etc.flightpath01 said:
The same people also do keep recirculating in BBC programmes, its favoured artistes. It strikes me as most notable in comedy and sketch programmes where self indulgence is paraded as talent.TCPoliticalBetting said:Re: BBC and the culture of fear permeating it. Best way to fix it is to reduce it in size and allow more media players in. It is the BBC's size and the way it is able to intimidate people not wanting to fall fowl of the folk controlling work and appointments and new contracts etc.
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Indeed - Tony Blackburn appears to have been the DG’s chosen fall guy to carry the can. Fortunately he is not going down without a fight as Blackburn has said he had been left with no choice but to sue and would not allow the corporation to destroy his reputation.TCPoliticalBetting said:Re: Blackburn.
So the BBC acts against one of its folk on a short term contract who has the least legal protection, whilst no one is disciplined in the hierachy over looking the other way when abuse went on.....
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/feb/25/tony-blackburn-says-he-will-sue-the-bbc-after-alleged-sacking
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Bugger that, toast will be better with Brexit!Jonathan said:off topic...
I had flu last week and now have a cold. I am thoroughly pissed off.
Will there be less colds outside the EU? If Boris can co can promise me that I might switch.
https://twitter.com/DavidCoburnUKip/status/7027975628274360320 -
Thank you MDMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Pubgoer, best of luck
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Use a probiotic. You'll get less colds.Jonathan said:off topic...
I had flu last week and now have a cold. I am thoroughly pissed off.
Will there be less colds outside the EU? If Boris can co can promise me that I might switch.
Oops, just seen Morris_Dancers' post, FEWER colds, naughty me.0
