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In this week’s episode Keiran Pedley interviews UKIP MP Douglas Carswell about his political journey, thoughts on the EU referendum campaign, the future of UKIP and whether he might rejoin the Conservatives in the future.
Departing showrunner Beau Willimon has found a way of putting Underwood on the back foot again, House of Cards has regained its mojo. Spacey twinkles with vehemence as he ratchets up his portrayal of Frank as villainous force of nature; Wright has never been better as burningly ambitious ice queen Claire, who has unearthed a useful foil in ruthless strategist Leann Harvey
The S.E.C. Primary is next Tuesday. I'd be intrigued to hear who PBers think I should vote for, and why. No insults - X is a clown etc - just good valid reasons.
The S.E.C. Primary is next Tuesday. I'd be intrigued to hear who PBers think I should vote for, and why. No insults - X is a clown etc - just good valid reasons.
What do you make of these reports on Tiger being finished?
The S.E.C. Primary is next Tuesday. I'd be intrigued to hear who PBers think I should vote for, and why. No insults - X is a clown etc - just good valid reasons.
When you look back your choice will be defined by whether you voted for or against Trump. Do you think you'll regret being part of a historic event or not having been part of it?
The S.E.C. Primary is next Tuesday. I'd be intrigued to hear who PBers think I should vote for, and why. No insults - X is a clown etc - just good valid reasons.
I assume making us money is not a valid reason? And that any PB reader is not seeking advice in the Clinton v Sanders contest
The S.E.C. Primary is next Tuesday. I'd be intrigued to hear who PBers think I should vote for, and why. No insults - X is a clown etc - just good valid reasons.
My advice is to vote for the guy with the fewest endorsements. That way you won't feel sorry for him, he's probably also the least corrupt.
FPT - "Casino up thread said Vote Leave has bought a knife to a gun fight. I can confirm it's more like a wooden spoon.
The person who is meant to be 'organising' the local campaign has given me emails to forward to people I know about the EU. Nothing tangible is planned until mid-March.
That is not campaigning."
Please: don't. Vote Leave are like lambs to the slaughter right now.
I don't think Boris will kick in much until the start of May. I'm not sure what Gove is planning.
The rest of the cabinet may not have the time.
I am sorely tempted to spam these two email addresses (I can't find any other) and ask them what they're playing at:
I will also write to a few of the directors at the weekend. I know Hannan personally, so will start with him.
I'd encourage maximum pressure from fellow Leavers:
The Vote Leave Board:
Arabella Arkwright, a Director of Core Health and Wellness Harriet Bridgeman, founder of Bridgeman Images Douglas Carswell MP. Peter Cruddas, founder of CMC Markets. Alan Halsall, former owner and Chairman of Silver Cross Dan Hannan, MEP. Daniel Hodson, Chairman of the Compliance Committee, former Chief Executive of LIFFE. Bernard Jenkin MP. Khalid Mahmood, MP. John Mills, Chairman of John Mills Limited (JML). Jon Moynihan, former CEO and Executive Chairman of PA Consulting. Graham Stringer, MP. Stuart Wheeler, founder of the IG Group. Victoria Woodcock, Company Secretary and Operations Director.
Cross-Party Parliamentary Planning Committee to liaise with senior MPs
Steve Baker (Co-Chairman, Conservatives for Britain) Douglas Carswell (UKIP) Nigel Dodds (DUP) Kate Hoey (Co-Chair, Labour Leave) Kelvin Hopkins (L) Bernard Jenkin (C) Owen Paterson (C) Graham Stringer (L)
Don't forget Texas may be proportional, however there is a 20% barrier for delegates, only those who pass it are assigned delegates proportionally.
It's "proportional" in the smaller statewide tier. The main Congressional District tier will follow something like a square law.
So it will be a bit of a mystery how Cruz and Trump divide the texas delegates until all the votes have been counted from all counties, no one will get 100%, but Rubio might get zero.
The S.E.C. Primary is next Tuesday. I'd be intrigued to hear who PBers think I should vote for, and why. No insults - X is a clown etc - just good valid reasons.
My advice is to vote for the guy with the fewest endorsements. That way you won't feel sorry for him, he's probably also the least corrupt.
The S.E.C. Primary is next Tuesday. I'd be intrigued to hear who PBers think I should vote for, and why. No insults - X is a clown etc - just good valid reasons.
My advice is to vote for the guy with the fewest endorsements. That way you won't feel sorry for him, he's probably also the least corrupt.
Carson then ?
Who ever has the least, I got no idea who endorses who in Georgia.
The S.E.C. Primary is next Tuesday. I'd be intrigued to hear who PBers think I should vote for, and why. No insults - X is a clown etc - just good valid reasons.
I assume making us money is not a valid reason? And that any PB reader is not seeking advice in the Clinton v Sanders contest
There is no Clinton v Sanders contest. She's won. The only contest she might lose is Clinton v DOJ.
A Project Fear in reverse would need to focus on the fact that there will be more integration, determined by the EU, including, for instance:-
- quotas of migrants we are required to take in; - VAT on currently zero-rated items eg food and children's clothes - more harmonised taxation, including taxes imposed by the EU - increasing contributions and the complete loss of the British rebate, costing each family £xxx p.a.
Etc etc.
Now I don't know how likely any of these are. But I've picked them because they've all been mooted at some point in the recent past (and Martin Schultz was mentioning the migrant quota issue only this morning on the radio) and so it is possible that they could be revived.
But the aim of any well run Leave campaign should be to sow doubt about what remaining in the EU means and that this will cost people real money. People will worry about losing jobs if we leave. So Leave need to make them worry about what it will cost them if we stay. Plus it should put Remain on the defensive. If Remain have to start denying that VAT won't be put on food, it still sows a doubt in people's minds and that is time that cannot be spent on other arguments.
Similarly, the migrant quota issue will make people worry about who might be let in and helps undermine the EU keeps us safe argument.
Leave need to pick the most unattractive bits of the EU and say that remaining means more of this and costs you this - it has to be made personal and relevant.
Whether they are able to do this seems doubtful to me.
The S.E.C. Primary is next Tuesday. I'd be intrigued to hear who PBers think I should vote for, and why. No insults - X is a clown etc - just good valid reasons.
For my book - Hilary, Trump or Cruz.
On a serious note Kasich's town halls have been excellent. I'd go for Kasich if I had a free choice of any of the bods.
Carswell, unlike some Tories, seems to think Cameron went to the EU and argued for reform in good faith, I see (although he failed, obviously).
Given how often he repeats the point, perhaps 'Take back control' should be the Leave slogan?
He really likes pushing the point about the vast majority of UKIP councillors backing VoteLeave too, doesn't he? I've seen him write it several times, and he brings it up here - was he expecting something different, or is it a swipe at Grassroots Out or something?
The S.E.C. Primary is next Tuesday. I'd be intrigued to hear who PBers think I should vote for, and why. No insults - X is a clown etc - just good valid reasons.
My advice is to vote for the guy with the fewest endorsements. That way you won't feel sorry for him, he's probably also the least corrupt.
Michael Gove faces sack over his opposition to European Union
The Telegraph understands that Mr Gove could be removed as Justice Secretary in the weeks following the in-out referendum on membership of the European Union.
Michael Gove faces sack over his opposition to European Union
The Telegraph understands that Mr Gove could be removed as Justice Secretary in the weeks following the in-out referendum on membership of the European Union.
And to think he "took one for the team" when he got moved from Education. Now sounds like he could get kicked in the nuts again for standing for what he believe in.
I honesty cannot believe these reports about Cameron going after Gove.
It makes zero sense to attack someone who has been so polite in their dissention. It would put Gove in a "nothing to lose" situation and makes a mockery of allowing cabinet members to campaign for out.
I honesty cannot believe these reports about Cameron going after Gove.
It makes zero sense to attack someone who has been so polite in their dissention. It would put Gove in a "nothing to lose" situation and makes a mockery of allowing cabinet members to campaign for out.
It also smacks of weakness.
Taking a leaf out of Corbyn's trident book. NEW POLITICS.
Gove has conducted himself with the utmost integrity and done everything possible to act with dignity, and keep it non-personal.
If Cameron pushes him too far, and it turns nasty; I think he will walk.
Ultimately, I think the philosophical tensions between No.10 and Gove may simply be too great for him to stay in Government. No. 10 thought "low profile" meant saying 'I'm for Leave', on day one, and then shutting-up for four months.
I don't think Gove can do that and be true to himself.
I think Gove is toast anyway after the referendum. Dave bears grudges and really detests it when he feels that longstanding allies have gone against him.
Can't believe Cameron is expecting Gove into keep a low profile in EU campaign. So even after the draconian gagging order keeping ministers silent for months, they are still supposed to not speak too loudly. And the leak of Cameron's "anger" and urges by "aides" that he is on thin ice and could be sacked is a very unsubtle threat by Cameron's office.
If this referendum is lost by Leave it will be because Cameron has pushed to limit every power available to his office to bribe, blackmail and threaten the cabinet, MPs and Civil Service. Tory Leave supporters should know they could win a second one once they have someone in tune with them in No 10.
Michael Gove faces sack over his opposition to European Union
The Telegraph understands that Mr Gove could be removed as Justice Secretary in the weeks following the in-out referendum on membership of the European Union.
And to think he "took one for the team" when he got moved from Education. Now sounds like he could get kicked in the nuts again for standing for what he believe in.
If it's true,should help in the leadership race ;-)
The S.E.C. Primary is next Tuesday. I'd be intrigued to hear who PBers think I should vote for, and why. No insults - X is a clown etc - just good valid reasons.
When you look back your choice will be defined by whether you voted for or against Trump. Do you think you'll regret being part of a historic event or not having been part of it?
I'll be part of it whether I vote for Trump or not. For most folks on here it's a betting opportunity, but for me there's a fair chance that whoever i vote for might become the next POTUS which affects me. So I look at who I want to win.
Gove has conducted himself with the utmost integrity and done everything possible to act with dignity, and keep it non-personal.
If Cameron pushes him too far, and it turns nasty; I think he will walk.
I can't see any upside to firing Gove, or to pushing him into a position where he has no choice but to resign. I can see an enormous downside, and I can't believe Cameron would be so stupid. That really would trigger an almighty conflict within the Conservative Party, because it would show that the promise of a free vote was a sham.
I honesty cannot believe these reports about Cameron going after Gove.
It makes zero sense to attack someone who has been so polite in their dissention. It would put Gove in a "nothing to lose" situation and makes a mockery of allowing cabinet members to campaign for out.
Makes little sense to me, but he may have little to lose anyway - anecdote alert, I had an argument with a chap who thought Cameron would be totally unreasonable to 'attack' Leavers in his own party, and clarified that criticising their arguments counted as attacking them, when I suggested that was what he would, and how can he put his own case without saying he thinks those making the other case are wrong.
But I'd have thought he'd stick to the plan of reconciliation if he wins. The nuclear option would surely only come out if Leave looked like winning as we approach the finish.
Gove has conducted himself with the utmost integrity and done everything possible to act with dignity, and keep it non-personal.
If Cameron pushes him too far, and it turns nasty; I think he will walk.
Ultimately, I think the philosophical tensions between No.10 and Gove may simply be too great for him to stay in Government. No. 10 thought "low profile" meant saying 'I'm for Leave', on day one, and then shutting-up for four months.
I don't think Gove can do that and be true to himself.
I think Gove is toast anyway after the referendum. Dave bears grudges and really detests it when he feels that longstanding allies have gone against him.
The risk for the Tories is that they will appear divided. Cameron's successor won't have the same popularity or star quality or gravitas that Cameron undoubtedly has. And that risks letting in Corbyn's Labour - remember the Tory majority is not that great - especially if Osborne messes with peoples' pensions and the economy doesn't do as well.
The S.E.C. Primary is next Tuesday. I'd be intrigued to hear who PBers think I should vote for, and why. No insults - X is a clown etc - just good valid reasons.
What do you make of these reports on Tiger being finished?
In terms of winning 4 more majors and challenging Jack's total, yes he's finished. Not going to happen. Will he play on the tour again? Who knows. Hope so.
Tiger issued a video today of him swinging at a golf simulator, with the caption progressing nicely. I don't know when the video was shot.
The S.E.C. Primary is next Tuesday. I'd be intrigued to hear who PBers think I should vote for, and why. No insults - X is a clown etc - just good valid reasons.
My advice is to vote for the guy with the fewest endorsements. That way you won't feel sorry for him, he's probably also the least corrupt.
That Gove story is nonsense, Dave is truly impressed by Gove's tenure as Justice Secretary.
Note the story also talks about a promotion for Boris.
Story dissing Gove, talking up Boris appearing in the Telegraph, now I wonder if any Telegraph columnist had a hand in this story to cause problems for
1) Gove who has outshone Boris this past week
2) Cause grief for Dave after that kicking he gave Boris
If this referendum is lost by Leave it will be because Cameron has pushed to limit every power available to his office to bribe, blackmail and threaten the cabinet, MPs and Civil Service. Tory Leave supporters should know they could win a second one once they have someone in tune with them in No 10.
It's stuff like this why Cameron is toast even if he wins. Seems like a politician acting like a politician to me, but many other Leavers have already established a narrative that if we lose, it's because of betrayal and bribery (indeed, this argument was already advanced long before a referendum was assured, when I was still a Remainer - I recall arguing with Kippers saying I thought they had a good chance even if Cameron and the media did fit things up as much as they can, as they would still get heard as the desire to Leave was high enough with enough political supporters to counter any falsities). A reconciliation reshuffle in the event of Remain will probably happen, but what's the point? Too many Leave supporters will not forgive Cameron for beating them.
But I'd have thought he'd stick to the plan of reconciliation if he wins.
What plan?
When Remain win, the next reshuffle will be to put all of Osborne's team in place for the handover...
If you say so. I do not have a hotline to Tory headquarters, but I'd seen many reports suggesting Leavers would be retained or promoted in the event of a Remain win.
I honesty cannot believe these reports about Cameron going after Gove.
It makes zero sense to attack someone who has been so polite in their dissention. It would put Gove in a "nothing to lose" situation and makes a mockery of allowing cabinet members to campaign for out.
It also smacks of weakness.
Far from being the great Statesman we all thought he was, Cameron is showing himself to be a childish bully who lashes out if he cannot get his own way.
Strikes me this Gove sacking story is a bit reminiscent of the Corbyn/Benn kerfuffle reshuffle. No doubt people will froth with outrage into their cornflakes when they see Cameron is contemplating sacking Gove, and whether he does intended, or never did, he will still be hated by those same people who will assume, if it doesn't happen, that he wanted to but backed down and deserves no credit for it as that makes him weak, but will of course still hate him if he goes through with it even if he didn't mean to do it initially.
I honesty cannot believe these reports about Cameron going after Gove.
It makes zero sense to attack someone who has been so polite in their dissention. It would put Gove in a "nothing to lose" situation and makes a mockery of allowing cabinet members to campaign for out.
It also smacks of weakness.
Far from being the great Statesman we all thought he was, Cameron is showing himself to be a childish bully who lashes out if he cannot get his own way.
Gove has conducted himself with the utmost integrity and done everything possible to act with dignity, and keep it non-personal.
If Cameron pushes him too far, and it turns nasty; I think he will walk.
Ultimately, I think the philosophical tensions between No.10 and Gove may simply be too great for him to stay in Government. No. 10 thought "low profile" meant saying 'I'm for Leave', on day one, and then shutting-up for four months.
I don't think Gove can do that and be true to himself.
I think Gove is toast anyway after the referendum. Dave bears grudges and really detests it when he feels that longstanding allies have gone against him.
The risk for the Tories is that they will appear divided. Cameron's successor won't have the same popularity or star quality or gravitas that Cameron undoubtedly has. And that risks letting in Corbyn's Labour - remember the Tory majority is not that great - especially if Osborne messes with peoples' pensions and the economy doesn't do as well.
The thing is Tory Leavers have been remarkably restrained. They all waited patiently til end of gag order. Since talking they've all towed party line of Cameron getting a good deal, just not quite good enough, as a courtesy to the PM, even though deal was clearly poor.
Cameron has done opposite. He tried to fix a dodgy question, eliminate purdah, have Osborne threaten MPs with not having careers if they backed wrong side, have shortest campaign possible, gag ministers, broke agreement not to push his deal while they were gagged, lie about migrant camps in Kent, block civil service from briefing their own ministers (but only if they backed Leave!) and now unsubtely raise the possibility of sack for any Leave minister too vocal.
I saw my first Hillary commercials today, and lots of them.
She seems to always run two back to back - war on women, institutional racism
Hilary's big problem is that she's an awfully bad candidate.
Fortunately for her the Democrat schedule and rules are tremendously favourable for her, and Iowa/ New Hampshire are much less indicative of eventual DEM nominee than of GOP. The HRC machine should get rolling in the deep south soon enough.
Too many Leave supporters will not forgive Cameron for beating them.
That's the nub of it, and really, they should get over themselves. Cameron has delivered on his commitment to hold a referendum. No-one can seriously cry foul that he is on the other side of the argument. The leave campaign has had years or even decades to form a coherent narrative and movement to convince the people to vote to leave. If it doesn't happen now the recriminations should be in their own camp.
I honesty cannot believe these reports about Cameron going after Gove.
It makes zero sense to attack someone who has been so polite in their dissention. It would put Gove in a "nothing to lose" situation and makes a mockery of allowing cabinet members to campaign for out.
It also smacks of weakness.
Far from being the great Statesman we all thought he was, Cameron is showing himself to be a childish bully who lashes out if he cannot get his own way.
Speak for yourself. I was convinced after the first 'red blooded Tory' speech he made, and after that unravelled I stopped considering him anything more than a clockwork mouth.
Too many Leave supporters will not forgive Cameron for beating them.
That's the nub of it, and really, they should get over themselves. Cameron has delivered on his commitment to hold a referendum. No-one can seriously cry foul that he is on the other side of the argument. The leave campaign has had years or even decades to form a coherent narrative and movement to convince the people to vote to leave. If it doesn't happen now the recriminations should be in their own camp.
You think a Remain win is in the bag? I see a 50/50 situation.
Anyone have any idea who is the favourite for the Fifa Presidency? Seems to me their image problem will not be resolved by throwing out a few bad apples as it is the orchard which has the problem, to borrow an expression, but I wonder which is the least obviously bad candidate. On the basis of best name, Tokyo Sexwale has to be favourite.
I will also write to a few of the directors at the weekend. I know Hannan personally, so will start with him.
I'd encourage maximum pressure from fellow Leavers:
The Vote Leave Board:
Arabella Arkwright, a Director of Core Health and Wellness Harriet Bridgeman, founder of Bridgeman Images Douglas Carswell MP. Peter Cruddas, founder of CMC Markets. Alan Halsall, former owner and Chairman of Silver Cross Dan Hannan, MEP. Daniel Hodson, Chairman of the Compliance Committee, former Chief Executive of LIFFE. Bernard Jenkin MP. Khalid Mahmood, MP. John Mills, Chairman of John Mills Limited (JML). Jon Moynihan, former CEO and Executive Chairman of PA Consulting. Graham Stringer, MP. Stuart Wheeler, founder of the IG Group. Victoria Woodcock, Company Secretary and Operations Director.
Cross-Party Parliamentary Planning Committee to liaise with senior MPs
Steve Baker (Co-Chairman, Conservatives for Britain) Douglas Carswell (UKIP) Nigel Dodds (DUP) Kate Hoey (Co-Chair, Labour Leave) Kelvin Hopkins (L) Bernard Jenkin (C) Owen Paterson (C) Graham Stringer (L)
Please do. Leave should have a massive ground advantage, but it is all being squandered.
It's really not hard: Canvassing>leafleting>nothing
They probably can't manage traditional canvassing (no software or data), so leafleting will have to do. Obtain ward maps, divide into sections, deliver first leaflet to whole area, repeat with second. Very easy and can be done by anyone at any time.
The Vote Leave staff must be bone idle, inexperienced or aren't prioritising effectively.
Gove has conducted himself with the utmost integrity and done everything possible to act with dignity, and keep it non-personal.
If Cameron pushes him too far, and it turns nasty; I think he will walk.
I can't see any upside to firing Gove, or to pushing him into a position where he has no choice but to resign. I can see an enormous downside, and I can't believe Cameron would be so stupid. That really would trigger an almighty conflict within the Conservative Party, because it would show that the promise of a free vote was a sham.
Think its clear at this point that Cameron cares more about EU membership than integrity of Tory party.
Though of course after waging all out war on Leave supporters, he'll then demand reconciliation and unity afterwards.
Too many Leave supporters will not forgive Cameron for beating them.
That's the nub of it, and really, they should get over themselves. Cameron has delivered on his commitment to hold a referendum. No-one can seriously cry foul that he is on the other side of the argument. The leave campaign has had years or even decades to form a coherent narrative and movement to convince the people to vote to leave. If it doesn't happen now the recriminations should be in their own camp.
You think a Remain win is in the bag? I see a 50/50 situation.
I think it's 2/1 likely Remain will win. Which actually means there's much to play for.
Wishful thinking from Ken Adelman on Newsnight. Trump heading for big defeat according to him.
If he does well on the SEC Primary it's hard to see how. Once we get to 3/15 all the primaries are winner take all. So he will just run away with it at that point.
Trump said that endorsements don't matter yesterday, and was promptly endorsed by 2 GOP congressmen.
Anyone have any idea who is the favourite for the Fifa Presidency? Seems to me their image problem will not be resolved by throwing out a few bad apples as it is the orchard which has the problem, to borrow an expression, but I wonder which is the least obviously bad candidate. On the basis of best name, Tokyo Sexwale has to be favourite.
I honesty cannot believe these reports about Cameron going after Gove.
It makes zero sense to attack someone who has been so polite in their dissention. It would put Gove in a "nothing to lose" situation and makes a mockery of allowing cabinet members to campaign for out.
It also smacks of weakness.
Far from being the great Statesman we all thought he was, Cameron is showing himself to be a childish bully who lashes out if he cannot get his own way.
Assuming the story is true.
Not just this story, but the way he has behaved in the Commons this week.
Too many Leave supporters will not forgive Cameron for beating them.
That's the nub of it, and really, they should get over themselves. Cameron has delivered on his commitment to hold a referendum. No-one can seriously cry foul that he is on the other side of the argument. The leave campaign has had years or even decades to form a coherent narrative and movement to convince the people to vote to leave. If it doesn't happen now the recriminations should be in their own camp.
You think a Remain win is in the bag? I see a 50/50 situation.
I think the biggest question is the scale of the result. My fear is a near 50/50 result because what should have been a cathartic moment will become the source of endless wasted political infighting for decades more. The best result for our politics would be an emphatic win for Remain.
Too many Leave supporters will not forgive Cameron for beating them.
That's the nub of it, and really, they should get over themselves. Cameron has delivered on his commitment to hold a referendum. No-one can seriously cry foul that he is on the other side of the argument. The leave campaign has had years or even decades to form a coherent narrative and movement to convince the people to vote to leave. If it doesn't happen now the recriminations should be in their own camp.
The problem hasn't been so much his backing of Remain but gutter tactics against his own party in carrying out that support.
Too many Leave supporters will not forgive Cameron for beating them.
That's the nub of it, and really, they should get over themselves. Cameron has delivered on his commitment to hold a referendum. No-one can seriously cry foul that he is on the other side of the argument. The leave campaign has had years or even decades to form a coherent narrative and movement to convince the people to vote to leave. If it doesn't happen now the recriminations should be in their own camp.
You think a Remain win is in the bag? I see a 50/50 situation.
I think the biggest question is the scale of the result. My fear is a near 50/50 result because what should have been a cathartic moment will become the source of endless wasted political infighting for decades more. The best result for our politics would be an emphatic win for Remain.
A better result would be a win for Leave. Even a win by 1% would put the issue to bed.
I honesty cannot believe these reports about Cameron going after Gove.
It makes zero sense to attack someone who has been so polite in their dissention. It would put Gove in a "nothing to lose" situation and makes a mockery of allowing cabinet members to campaign for out.
It also smacks of weakness.
Far from being the great Statesman we all thought he was, Cameron is showing himself to be a childish bully who lashes out if he cannot get his own way.
Assuming the story is true.
Not just this story, but the way he has behaved in the Commons this week.
Only the slimiest of Dave Toadies could defend his PMQs performance today.
“Labour already needs a 1997-sized lead to get a majority of just one seat. It looks as if it’s going to be even more difficult on these numbers,” Mr Baston said.
“Labour already needs a 1997-sized lead to get a majority of just one seat. It looks as if it’s going to be even more difficult on these numbers,” Mr Baston said.
They said stuff like that in 1992. Labour could never win a majority again they said.
Too many Leave supporters will not forgive Cameron for beating them.
That's the nub of it, and really, they should get over themselves. Cameron has delivered on his commitment to hold a referendum. No-one can seriously cry foul that he is on the other side of the argument. The leave campaign has had years or even decades to form a coherent narrative and movement to convince the people to vote to leave. If it doesn't happen now the recriminations should be in their own camp.
The problem hasn't been so much his backing of Remain but gutter tactics against his own party in carrying out that support.
His tactics have not helped, but I do not believe for one second there would not have been a sizable portion who could not accept anything he did on this issue if he opposed them.
A shame really - of those on offer, if Remain were to win I'd prefer Cameron to stay on, but struggle to see how he can last long with this much bitterness in evidence.
Should Leave win, well, I get the main thing and will have to hope Boris is a moderate, safe pair of hands.
I honesty cannot believe these reports about Cameron going after Gove.
It makes zero sense to attack someone who has been so polite in their dissention. It would put Gove in a "nothing to lose" situation and makes a mockery of allowing cabinet members to campaign for out.
It also smacks of weakness.
Far from being the great Statesman we all thought he was, Cameron is showing himself to be a childish bully who lashes out if he cannot get his own way.
Assuming the story is true.
Not just this story, but the way he has behaved in the Commons this week.
Only the slimiest of Dave Toadies could defend his PMQs performance today.
Must be a lot of slimes in the press judging by reports, but we knew that I supposed.
“Labour already needs a 1997-sized lead to get a majority of just one seat. It looks as if it’s going to be even more difficult on these numbers,” Mr Baston said.
They said stuff like that in 1992. Labour could never win a majority again they said.
If Labour led by 13%, they'd win comfortably, in reality.
I honesty cannot believe these reports about Cameron going after Gove.
It makes zero sense to attack someone who has been so polite in their dissention. It would put Gove in a "nothing to lose" situation and makes a mockery of allowing cabinet members to campaign for out.
It also smacks of weakness.
Far from being the great Statesman we all thought he was, Cameron is showing himself to be a childish bully who lashes out if he cannot get his own way.
Assuming the story is true.
Not just this story, but the way he has behaved in the Commons this week.
I honesty cannot believe these reports about Cameron going after Gove.
It makes zero sense to attack someone who has been so polite in their dissention. It would put Gove in a "nothing to lose" situation and makes a mockery of allowing cabinet members to campaign for out.
It also smacks of weakness.
The reports don't say Cameron is going after Gove. They say Cameron is being urged by some anonymous people to remove Gove. I'm sure Cameron won't. It's just the Telegraph stirring.
Too many Leave supporters will not forgive Cameron for beating them.
That's the nub of it, and really, they should get over themselves. Cameron has delivered on his commitment to hold a referendum. No-one can seriously cry foul that he is on the other side of the argument. The leave campaign has had years or even decades to form a coherent narrative and movement to convince the people to vote to leave. If it doesn't happen now the recriminations should be in their own camp.
You think a Remain win is in the bag? I see a 50/50 situation.
I think the biggest question is the scale of the result. My fear is a near 50/50 result because what should have been a cathartic moment will become the source of endless wasted political infighting for decades more. The best result for our politics would be an emphatic win for Remain.
A better result would be a win for Leave. Even a win by 1% would put the issue to bed.
If there were a consensus about what Leave meant then you would be right, but the huge divergence between the potential end points means that a narrow Leave win could be the worst possible outcome. If that's the result we should have a snap general election in which new leadership can be elected to negotiate the exit based on a prospectus they put to the people. An internal Tory coup in those circumstances would be undemocratic.
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Can't wait.....next weekend is a total write off for me.
Coming up tomorrow a PB favourite. Roger with his Oscar predictions
Cruz 35
Trump 20
Rubio 8
Carson 7
Kasich 4
http://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/news/politics/election-2016/
Don't forget Texas may be proportional, however there is a 20% barrier for delegates, only those who pass it are assigned delegates proportionally.
And that any PB reader is not seeking advice in the Clinton v Sanders contest
Plus I'm the publisher of this thread.
That way you won't feel sorry for him, he's probably also the least corrupt.
The person who is meant to be 'organising' the local campaign has given me emails to forward to people I know about the EU. Nothing tangible is planned until mid-March.
That is not campaigning."
Please: don't. Vote Leave are like lambs to the slaughter right now.
I don't think Boris will kick in much until the start of May. I'm not sure what Gove is planning.
The rest of the cabinet may not have the time.
I am sorely tempted to spam these two email addresses (I can't find any other) and ask them what they're playing at:
press@voteleave.uk
jobs@voteleave.uk
http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/contact
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/702613511214604289/photo/1
He will if that is the result in Texas.
I'd encourage maximum pressure from fellow Leavers:
The Vote Leave Board:
Arabella Arkwright, a Director of Core Health and Wellness
Harriet Bridgeman, founder of Bridgeman Images
Douglas Carswell MP.
Peter Cruddas, founder of CMC Markets.
Alan Halsall, former owner and Chairman of Silver Cross
Dan Hannan, MEP.
Daniel Hodson, Chairman of the Compliance Committee, former Chief Executive of LIFFE.
Bernard Jenkin MP.
Khalid Mahmood, MP.
John Mills, Chairman of John Mills Limited (JML).
Jon Moynihan, former CEO and Executive Chairman of PA Consulting.
Graham Stringer, MP.
Stuart Wheeler, founder of the IG Group.
Victoria Woodcock, Company Secretary and Operations Director.
Cross-Party Parliamentary Planning Committee to liaise with senior MPs
Steve Baker (Co-Chairman, Conservatives for Britain)
Douglas Carswell (UKIP)
Nigel Dodds (DUP)
Kate Hoey (Co-Chair, Labour Leave)
Kelvin Hopkins (L)
Bernard Jenkin (C)
Owen Paterson (C)
Graham Stringer (L)
Matthew Goodwin @GoodwinMJ
New immigration numbers out tomorrow. Will play into EU Ref debate. A useful piece by @jdportes http://www.niesr.ac.uk/blog/what-watch-thursday’s-immigration-figures#.Vs4qV1OLSWi …
I doubt they will give him a pass if he strikes another loss.
Given how often he repeats the point, perhaps 'Take back control' should be the Leave slogan?
If it's true, I'd say it's a major error on No. 10's part.
A Project Fear in reverse would need to focus on the fact that there will be more integration, determined by the EU, including, for instance:-
- quotas of migrants we are required to take in;
- VAT on currently zero-rated items eg food and children's clothes
- more harmonised taxation, including taxes imposed by the EU
- increasing contributions and the complete loss of the British rebate, costing each family £xxx p.a.
Etc etc.
Now I don't know how likely any of these are. But I've picked them because they've all been mooted at some point in the recent past (and Martin Schultz was mentioning the migrant quota issue only this morning on the radio) and so it is possible that they could be revived.
But the aim of any well run Leave campaign should be to sow doubt about what remaining in the EU means and that this will cost people real money. People will worry about losing jobs if we leave. So Leave need to make them worry about what it will cost them if we stay. Plus it should put Remain on the defensive. If Remain have to start denying that VAT won't be put on food, it still sows a doubt in people's minds and that is time that cannot be spent on other arguments.
Similarly, the migrant quota issue will make people worry about who might be let in and helps undermine the EU keeps us safe argument.
Leave need to pick the most unattractive bits of the EU and say that remaining means more of this and costs you this - it has to be made personal and relevant.
Whether they are able to do this seems doubtful to me.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12171352/Silver-haired-Saga-louts-causing-trouble-in-the-Lake-District.html
On a serious note Kasich's town halls have been excellent. I'd go for Kasich if I had a free choice of any of the bods.
Gove has conducted himself with the utmost integrity and done everything possible to act with dignity, and keep it non-personal.
If Cameron pushes him too far, and it turns nasty; I think he will walk.
They've said a million because it sounds impressive but I'd guess it will be at least 2.
The Telegraph understands that Mr Gove could be removed as Justice Secretary in the weeks following the in-out referendum on membership of the European Union.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12172445/Michael-Gove-faces-sack-over-his-opposition-to-European-Union.html
It makes zero sense to attack someone who has been so polite in their dissention. It would put Gove in a "nothing to lose" situation and makes a mockery of allowing cabinet members to campaign for out.
It also smacks of weakness.
I don't think Gove can do that and be true to himself.
I think Gove is toast anyway after the referendum. Dave bears grudges and really detests it when he feels that longstanding allies have gone against him.
If this referendum is lost by Leave it will be because Cameron has pushed to limit every power available to his office to bribe, blackmail and threaten the cabinet, MPs and Civil Service. Tory Leave supporters should know they could win a second one once they have someone in tune with them in No 10.
But I'd have thought he'd stick to the plan of reconciliation if he wins. The nuclear option would surely only come out if Leave looked like winning as we approach the finish.
When Remain win, the next reshuffle will be to put all of Osborne's team in place for the handover...
Tiger issued a video today of him swinging at a golf simulator, with the caption progressing nicely. I don't know when the video was shot.
'Cameron's negotiation has shown why it is now too late to reform the EU from within in any significant way.'
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6954770/Lord-Owen-EU-has-tested-us-to-breaking-point-Now-its-time-to-leave.html
Note the story also talks about a promotion for Boris.
Story dissing Gove, talking up Boris appearing in the Telegraph, now I wonder if any Telegraph columnist had a hand in this story to cause problems for
1) Gove who has outshone Boris this past week
2) Cause grief for Dave after that kicking he gave Boris
Where do they get them from?
She seems to always run two back to back - war on women, institutional racism
Cameron has done opposite. He tried to fix a dodgy question, eliminate purdah, have Osborne threaten MPs with not having careers if they backed wrong side, have shortest campaign possible, gag ministers, broke agreement not to push his deal while they were gagged, lie about migrant camps in Kent, block civil service from briefing their own ministers (but only if they backed Leave!) and now unsubtely raise the possibility of sack for any Leave minister too vocal.
The HRC machine should get rolling in the deep south soon enough.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-35649985
It's really not hard:
Canvassing>leafleting>nothing
They probably can't manage traditional canvassing (no software or data), so leafleting will have to do. Obtain ward maps, divide into sections, deliver first leaflet to whole area, repeat with second. Very easy and can be done by anyone at any time.
The Vote Leave staff must be bone idle, inexperienced or aren't prioritising effectively.
Though of course after waging all out war on Leave supporters, he'll then demand reconciliation and unity afterwards.
Trump said that endorsements don't matter yesterday, and was promptly endorsed by 2 GOP congressmen.
Maybe he should stick to Shakespeare.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEryAoLfnAA
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12172445/Michael-Gove-faces-sack-over-his-opposition-to-European-Union.html
http://www.lorddavidowen.co.uk/
First response from General Sir Michael Rose: "I'm delighted Downing Street has taken me off the list"
A shame really - of those on offer, if Remain were to win I'd prefer Cameron to stay on, but struggle to see how he can last long with this much bitterness in evidence.
Should Leave win, well, I get the main thing and will have to hope Boris is a moderate, safe pair of hands.
David Allen Green @DavidAllenGreen
The Prime Minister has ordered that the Lord Chancellor cannot now have advice on EU law. Extraordinary. https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/702546674586140672 …