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Poor old LEAVErs... even reality is biased against them.0
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Serious question. Given how much more convenient it is for everyone else reading PB, why do so many posters - deliberately or otherwise - not use the Quote function?
It's right there under the post you're replying to
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I honestly can't see how it helps your argument to do so.0 -
It pisses me right off too.Plato_Says said:Serious question. Given how much more convenient it is for everyone else reading PB, why do so many posters - deliberately or otherwise - not use the Quote function?
It's right there under the post you're replying to
The rest of us are left guessing what the Hell you're talking about or who you're addressing unless we're blessed with thread long memories of each poster's contribution.
I honestly can't see how it helps your argument to do so.0 -
I thought you might say thatMarqueeMark said:
But that will sum up the very essence of our problems with the EU.Wanderer said:
It's a striking irony that if Remain loses because of Migration Crisis 2.0 then Cameron will have been floored by a crisis in relation to which his own policy is considered good by the people who will have voted against him.
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Tim Marshall (ex-SKY) now on LBC for 2 hours. Always worth listening to. Definitely has a voice for radio.0
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Space is often a factor, and it's very difficult to edit large blocks of text on a smartphone (my select/edit function is as useless as OFSTED). Much easier to reply directly without quoting although I know it makes following a conversation harder.Plato_Says said:Serious question. Given how much more convenient it is for everyone else reading PB, why do so many posters - deliberately or otherwise - not use the Quote function?
It's right there under the post you're replying to
The rest of us are left guessing what the Hell you're talking about or who you're addressing unless we're blessed with thread long memories of each poster's contribution.
I honestly can't see how it helps your argument to do so.0 -
Will Jeb Bush only head out to 100 110 even after he quits the race ?Pong said:
Cruz can only win if it continues as a three horse race after ST.TheWhiteRabbit said:Putting some number's into Rod's spreadsheet confirms my suspicion that Cruz will need to break Rubio on Super Tuesday and make sure this is a Cruz/Trump race. Rubio, assuming Cruz doesn't break him, could take Trump down as late as Florida.
He needs both trump & rubio to stay in the game.
Follow up question: Is there any value in Carson at 500/800 ?0 -
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Space is often a factor, and it's very difficult to edit large blocks of text on a smartphone (my select/edit function is as useless as OFSTED). Much easier to reply directly without quoting although I know it makes following a conversation harder.Plato_Says said:Serious question. Given how much more convenient it is for everyone else reading PB, why do so many posters - deliberately or otherwise - not use the Quote function?
It's right there under the post you're replying to
The rest of us are left guessing what the Hell you're talking about or who you're addressing unless we're blessed with thread long memories of each poster's contribution.
I honestly can't see how it helps your argument to do so.0 -
And something I have always wondered... why do you top-post?Plato_Says said:Serious question. Given how much more convenient it is for everyone else reading PB, why do so many posters - deliberately or otherwise - not use the Quote function?
It's right there under the post you're replying to
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I honestly can't see how it helps your argument to do so.0 -
History says single peak candidates are much more common than double peak ones.Pulpstar said:
Will Jeb Bush only head out to 100 110 even after he quits the race ?Pong said:
Cruz can only win if it continues as a three horse race after ST.TheWhiteRabbit said:Putting some number's into Rod's spreadsheet confirms my suspicion that Cruz will need to break Rubio on Super Tuesday and make sure this is a Cruz/Trump race. Rubio, assuming Cruz doesn't break him, could take Trump down as late as Florida.
He needs both trump & rubio to stay in the game.
Follow up question: Is there any value in Carson at 500/800 ?0 -
spot onMarqueeMark said:
But that will sum up the very essence of our problems with the EU.Wanderer said:
It's a striking irony that if Remain loses because of Migration Crisis 2.0 then Cameron will have been floored by a crisis in relation to which his own policy is considered good by the people who will have voted against him.0 -
When you quote whole threads, it's very easy to go over the word limit - or at least, I've found it a problem.Plato_Says said:Cobblers
The vast majority of comments here require no editing to get passed the word limit
I post most often from a smartphone and can manage to backspace over a few dozen characters and say Snipydoethur said:
Space is often a factor, and it's very difficult to edit large blocks of text on a smartphone (my select/edit function is as useless as OFSTED). Much easier to reply directly without quoting although I know it makes following a conversation harder.Plato_Says said:Serious question. Given how much more convenient it is for everyone else reading PB, why do so many posters - deliberately or otherwise - not use the Quote function?
It's right there under the post you're replying to
The rest of us are left guessing what the Hell you're talking about or who you're addressing unless we're blessed with thread long memories of each poster's contribution.
I honestly can't see how it helps your argument to do so.
On the other hand, as you may have noticed, I do tend to quote where I can and edit the blocks, even though I find it very difficult sometimes.0 -
I already know the subject detail - and assume others have read it to, so topping saves scrolling by for the comment. And can then scroll by the rest.
I read using the Vanilla forums linky not the main siteJohnLilburne said:
And something I have always wondered... why do you top-post?Plato_Says said:Serious question. Given how much more convenient it is for everyone else reading PB, why do so many posters - deliberately or otherwise - not use the Quote function?
It's right there under the post you're replying to
The rest of us are left guessing what the Hell you're talking about or who you're addressing unless we're blessed with thread long memories of each poster's contribution.
I honestly can't see how it helps your argument to do so.0 -
Oh dear. Sky reporter in Port Clinton, OH claiming it's selected the winner "for over 70 years, every since Harry Truman was voted into the White House during the Second World War..."0
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I think I encounter Too Many Characters maybe 1:20 posts if that.
This doesn't explain the PBers who don't use Quote. I'm perplexed, it doesn't help their argument in any way. And saying Mr X I think Y doesn't make up for it. The rest of us go Meh and ignore their contribution given there's no context.ydoethur said:
When you quote whole threads, it's very easy to go over the word limit - or at least, I've found it a problem.Plato_Says said:Cobblers
The vast majority of comments here require no editing to get passed the word limit
I post most often from a smartphone and can manage to backspace over a few dozen characters and say Snipydoethur said:
Space is often a factor, and it's very difficult to edit large blocks of text on a smartphone (my select/edit function is as useless as OFSTED). Much easier to reply directly without quoting although I know it makes following a conversation harder.Plato_Says said:Serious question. Given how much more convenient it is for everyone else reading PB, why do so many posters - deliberately or otherwise - not use the Quote function?
It's right there under the post you're replying to
The rest of us are left guessing what the Hell you're talking about or who you're addressing unless we're blessed with thread long memories of each poster's contribution.
I honestly can't see how it helps your argument to do so.
On the other hand, as you may have noticed, I do tend to quote where I can and edit the blocks, even though I find it very difficult sometimes.0 -
Bush peaked about a year ago.TheWhiteRabbit said:
History says single peak candidates are much more common than double peak ones.Pulpstar said:
Will Jeb Bush only head out to 100 110 even after he quits the race ?Pong said:
Cruz can only win if it continues as a three horse race after ST.TheWhiteRabbit said:Putting some number's into Rod's spreadsheet confirms my suspicion that Cruz will need to break Rubio on Super Tuesday and make sure this is a Cruz/Trump race. Rubio, assuming Cruz doesn't break him, could take Trump down as late as Florida.
He needs both trump & rubio to stay in the game.
Follow up question: Is there any value in Carson at 500/800 ?0 -
One reason might be that adding @ to the front of the user's name brings up a notification in Vanilla.Plato_Says said:I think I encounter Too Many Characters maybe 1:20 posts if that.
This doesn't explain the PBers who don't use Quote. I'm perplexed, it doesn't help their argument in any way. And saying Mr X I think Y doesn't make up for it. The rest of us go Meh and ignore their contribution given there's no context.ydoethur said:
When you quote whole threads, it's very easy to go over the word limit - or at least, I've found it a problem.Plato_Says said:Cobblers
The vast majority of comments here require no editing to get passed the word limit
I post most often from a smartphone and can manage to backspace over a few dozen characters and say Snipydoethur said:
Space is often a factor, and it's very difficult to edit large blocks of text on a smartphone (my select/edit function is as useless as OFSTED). Much easier to reply directly without quoting although I know it makes following a conversation harder.Plato_Says said:Serious question. Given how much more convenient it is for everyone else reading PB, why do so many posters - deliberately or otherwise - not use the Quote function?
It's right there under the post you're replying to
The rest of us are left guessing what the Hell you're talking about or who you're addressing unless we're blessed with thread long memories of each poster's contribution.
I honestly can't see how it helps your argument to do so.
On the other hand, as you may have noticed, I do tend to quote where I can and edit the blocks, even though I find it very difficult sometimes.0 -
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fp01..its the new ,,new ..poverty levels..0
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For the first time in ages Corbyn has only had a couple of bad things happen in the week. Oddly though he's lengthened in the Next PM market on Betfair.
I can't make head or tail of this political betting game sometimes
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"Serious question. Given how much more convenient it is for everyone else reading PB, why do so many posters - deliberately or otherwise - not use the Quote function?
It's right there under the post you're replying to
The rest of us are left guessing what the Hell you're talking about or who you're addressing unless we're blessed with thread long memories of each poster's contribution.
I honestly can't see how it helps your argument to do so."
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Should the Calcutta Cup be renamed the Kolkata Cup?0
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Only if you don't Quote
I'm perplexed at the excuse making. Just click Quote and we'll all know what you're referring to
If I want to get your attention on another subject then I can use @JosiasJessopJosiasJessop said:
One reason might be that adding @ to the front of the user's name brings up a notification in Vanilla.Plato_Says said:I think I encounter Too Many Characters maybe 1:20 posts if that.
This doesn't explain the PBers who don't use Quote. I'm perplexed, it doesn't help their argument in any way. And saying Mr X I think Y doesn't make up for it. The rest of us go Meh and ignore their contribution given there's no context.ydoethur said:
When you quote whole threads, it's very easy to go over the word limit - or at least, I've found it a problem.Plato_Says said:Cobblers
The vast majority of comments here require no editing to get passed the word limit
I post most often from a smartphone and can manage to backspace over a few dozen characters and say Snipydoethur said:
Space is often a factor, and it's very difficult to edit large blocks of text on a smartphone (my select/edit function is as useless as OFSTED). Much easier to reply directly without quoting although I know it makes following a conversation harder.Plato_Says said:Serious question. Given how much more convenient it is for everyone else reading PB, why do so many posters - deliberately or otherwise - not use the Quote function?
It's right there under the post you're replying to
The rest of us are left guessing what the Hell you're talking about or who you're addressing unless we're blessed with thread long memories of each poster's contribution.
I honestly can't see how it helps your argument to do so.
On the other hand, as you may have noticed, I do tend to quote where I can and edit the blocks, even though I find it very difficult sometimes.0 -
Hahaha
Danny565 said:"Serious question. Given how much more convenient it is for everyone else reading PB, why do so many posters - deliberately or otherwise - not use the Quote function?
It's right there under the post you're replying to
The rest of us are left guessing what the Hell you're talking about or who you're addressing unless we're blessed with thread long memories of each poster's contribution.
I honestly can't see how it helps your argument to do so."
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Fair enough. Although I could add that I find top-quoting highly annoying.Plato_Says said:Only if you don't Quote
I'm perplexed at the excuse making. Just click Quote and we'll all know what you're referring to
If I want to get your attention on another subject then I can use @JosiasJessopJosiasJessop said:
One reason might be that adding @ to the front of the user's name brings up a notification in Vanilla.Plato_Says said:I think I encounter Too Many Characters maybe 1:20 posts if that.
This doesn't explain the PBers who don't use Quote. I'm perplexed, it doesn't help their argument in any way. And saying Mr X I think Y doesn't make up for it. The rest of us go Meh and ignore their contribution given there's no context.ydoethur said:
When you quote whole threads, it's very easy to go over the word limit - or at least, I've found it a problem.Plato_Says said:Cobblers
The vast majority of comments here require no editing to get passed the word limit
I post most often from a smartphone and can manage to backspace over a few dozen characters and say Snipydoethur said:
Space is often a factor, and it's very difficult to edit large blocks of text on a smartphone (my select/edit function is as useless as OFSTED). Much easier to reply directly without quoting although I know it makes following a conversation harder.Plato_Says said:Serious question. Given how much more convenient it is for everyone else reading PB, why do so many posters - deliberately or otherwise - not use the Quote function?
It's right there under the post you're replying to
The rest of us are left guessing what the Hell you're talking about or who you're addressing unless we're blessed with thread long memories of each poster's contribution.
I honestly can't see how it helps your argument to do so.
On the other hand, as you may have noticed, I do tend to quote where I can and edit the blocks, even though I find it very difficult sometimes. 0 -
I have no intention of backing him but I would say his odds should have come in a touch, not because he did not make quite so much of an arse of himself as usual but because the chances of the Conservative Party falling apart increased and that is a possible route to a Corbyn-led minority government.Omnium said:For the first time in ages Corbyn has only had a couple of bad things happen in the week. Oddly though he's lengthened in the Next PM market on Betfair.
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I know Cameron has said that he won't resign in the event of a Leave vote (I don't believe this), but do you think in private he's telling his party that a vote to leave the EU could precipitate Corbyn being in Downing Street? That is, "do you really want it on your conscience?"Wanderer said:
I have no intention of backing him but I would say his odds should have come in a touch, not because he did not make quite so much of an arse of himself as usual but because the chances of the Conservative Party falling apart increased and that is a possible route to a Corbyn-led minority government.Omnium said:For the first time in ages Corbyn has only had a couple of bad things happen in the week. Oddly though he's lengthened in the Next PM market on Betfair.
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Dunno about Jeb!Pulpstar said:
Will Jeb Bush only head out to 100 110 even after he quits the race ?Pong said:
Cruz can only win if it continues as a three horse race after ST.TheWhiteRabbit said:Putting some number's into Rod's spreadsheet confirms my suspicion that Cruz will need to break Rubio on Super Tuesday and make sure this is a Cruz/Trump race. Rubio, assuming Cruz doesn't break him, could take Trump down as late as Florida.
He needs both trump & rubio to stay in the game.
Follow up question: Is there any value in Carson at 500/800 ?
I've taken to visualising an exclamation mark after his odds. Whatever the logic that underpins his price, I don't buy into it.
Carson? umm, yeah who knows. I wouldn't lay him at 800 and at the first sign of evidence his polling is improving, I'd be backing @ 500.0 -
They would have to fall apart on a scale unsurpassed since the collapse of Stephen's army at Lincoln for that to become a possibility. Labour are 100 seats behind and have no natural allies apart from Plaid and the Greens- even the SNP would surely fight shy of this shambles.Wanderer said:
I have no intention of backing him but I would say his odds should have come in a touch, not because he did not make quite so much of an arse of himself as usual but because the chances of the Conservative Party falling apart increased and that is a possible route to a Corbyn-led minority government.Omnium said:For the first time in ages Corbyn has only had a couple of bad things happen in the week. Oddly though he's lengthened in the Next PM market on Betfair.
I can't make head or tail of this political betting game sometimes
This week it's been Tory travails over Europe, which has made for a refreshing change from Corbyn's travails over merely being Corbyn. Therefore, by being anonymous he has by default had a good week. That's not enough for a serious politician. He cannot even expect that to last for ever, possibly not even for long.0 -
Yeah - I think you're right. I was only commenting on the minor moves on Betfair - the market is in tiny amounts only, so its not really significant.Wanderer said:
I have no intention of backing him but I would say his odds should have come in a touch, not because he did not make quite so much of an arse of himself as usual but because the chances of the Conservative Party falling apart increased and that is a possible route to a Corbyn-led minority government.Omnium said:For the first time in ages Corbyn has only had a couple of bad things happen in the week. Oddly though he's lengthened in the Next PM market on Betfair.
I can't make head or tail of this political betting game sometimes
Ken's midweek mention of McDonnell caused me to take down the small number of small size orders I had up.
There are only pennies to be made, but I rather like thinking through the overlapping nature of say "Next Labour Leader", "Next PM", "Corbyn Exit Date", "Will Corbyn Exit Before GE" etc
(I'm vaguely on Corbyn to hang on forever, and his replacement not to be David Milliband.)
Combine that with the big game changer of the EU, and it gets to be real fun.
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Incidentally, for those getting on Rubio for the Republican nomination - the grapevine says there's going to be a "development" in about a week's time which could torpedo his chances.0
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I can't tell you how depressing that second half performance was by Scotland. Dire beyond words.0
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Commiseration to Scotland, a valiant attemptAlistair said:I can't tell you how depressing that second half performance was by Scotland. Dire beyond words.
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Bibi won't want to hear that.rcs1000 said:
Him losing the New Hampshire Primary?Danny565 said:Incidentally, for those getting on Rubio for the Republican nomination - the grapevine says there's going to be a "development" in about a week's time which could torpedo his chances.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMsDWJAFqmI
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He only has a Canadian passport?Danny565 said:Incidentally, for those getting on Rubio for the Republican nomination - the grapevine says there's going to be a "development" in about a week's time which could torpedo his chances.
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Ted Cruz strikes me as much the most interesting candidate on either side. He doesn't come across as very likeable to British eyes (echoes of George Osborne) but he is incredibly driven and seems seriously clever. I can't see him winning the nomination but I can see him changing the terms of politics.0
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Is this related to the blind gossip piece posted a few days ago?Danny565 said:Incidentally, for those getting on Rubio for the Republican nomination - the grapevine says there's going to be a "development" in about a week's time which could torpedo his chances.
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I'm doing a Jez might not be crap thread for tomorrow.Omnium said:For the first time in ages Corbyn has only had a couple of bad things happen in the week. Oddly though he's lengthened in the Next PM market on Betfair.
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Reading the Telegraph "Global Disaster" coming piece is putting me in a surprisingly good mood.
Like The Economist's covers, The Telegraph has a tendency to call things just after they've happened.
The key point, to me, is that you could have written that piece in 1981. You would have pointed to coming defaults in Mexico and in other oil producing countries. You would have pointed out that Western banks (and particularly UK banks) had lent very heavily to resource producers. You would have mentioned that government debt loads had soared through the 1970s, and that economies were fragile from a decade of recession, with record unemployment in many places.
In other words, you would have been very bearish. And you would have been very wrong.
Despite almost every commodity exporter going bust between 1981 and the end of the 1980s, it turned out that developed world was in amazing shape. The 1980s and 1990s, except for a brief (but deep) recession in the early 1990s, were two decades of unparalleled growth.
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Yes, but there's been some nudge-nudge-wink-winks from some reputable political sites too.AlastairMeeks said:
Is this related to the blind gossip piece posted a few days ago?Danny565 said:Incidentally, for those getting on Rubio for the Republican nomination - the grapevine says there's going to be a "development" in about a week's time which could torpedo his chances.
If true, it shouldn't matter but this is the Republican selectorate....0 -
Don't give the idiots ideas....tlg86 said:Should the Calcutta Cup be renamed the Kolkata Cup?
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Is he gay ?Danny565 said:
Yes, but there's been some nudge-nudge-wink-winks from some reputable political sites too.AlastairMeeks said:
Is this related to the blind gossip piece posted a few days ago?Danny565 said:Incidentally, for those getting on Rubio for the Republican nomination - the grapevine says there's going to be a "development" in about a week's time which could torpedo his chances.
If true, it shouldn't matter but this is the Republican selectorate....0 -
How about this: Remain wins with 50.00001%, sceptics see Cameron as having cheated to win, Con splits hard and govt falls. Corbyn gets chance to form a govt under FTPA and says something like "This is very unsatisfactory. Mr Cameron has behaved disgracefully. It's time for a serious talk with our European partners and some fundamental changes We can't go on in Europe as we are." Would Con unite to vote down his Queen's Speech? (Also, this scenario depends on the SNP, as you say.)ydoethur said:
They would have to fall apart on a scale unsurpassed since the collapse of Stephen's army at Lincoln for that to become a possibility. Labour are 100 seats behind and have no natural allies apart from Plaid and the Greens- even the SNP would surely fight shy of this shambles.Wanderer said:
I have no intention of backing him but I would say his odds should have come in a touch, not because he did not make quite so much of an arse of himself as usual but because the chances of the Conservative Party falling apart increased and that is a possible route to a Corbyn-led minority government.Omnium said:For the first time in ages Corbyn has only had a couple of bad things happen in the week. Oddly though he's lengthened in the Next PM market on Betfair.
I can't make head or tail of this political betting game sometimes
This week it's been Tory travails over Europe, which has made for a refreshing change from Corbyn's travails over merely being Corbyn. Therefore, by being anonymous he has by default had a good week. That's not enough for a serious politician. He cannot even expect that to last for ever, possibly not even for long.
Alternative is much simpler: Con splits, government falls, election is held resulting in a few gains for Lab, enough to let them form a govt with the SNP. (Of course the Lab gains part is hard to envisage but if you had official and "true" Conservatives standing against each other perhaps its possible.)0 -
But his PMQs was his worst...TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm doing a Jez might not be crap thread for tomorrow.Omnium said:For the first time in ages Corbyn has only had a couple of bad things happen in the week. Oddly though he's lengthened in the Next PM market on Betfair.
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Or worse - has he misplaced his birth certificate...Pulpstar said:
Is he gay ?Danny565 said:
Yes, but there's been some nudge-nudge-wink-winks from some reputable political sites too.AlastairMeeks said:
Is this related to the blind gossip piece posted a few days ago?Danny565 said:Incidentally, for those getting on Rubio for the Republican nomination - the grapevine says there's going to be a "development" in about a week's time which could torpedo his chances.
If true, it shouldn't matter but this is the Republican selectorate....0 -
No one cares about or watches PMQs.MarqueeMark said:
But his PMQs was his worst...TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm doing a Jez might not be crap thread for tomorrow.Omnium said:For the first time in ages Corbyn has only had a couple of bad things happen in the week. Oddly though he's lengthened in the Next PM market on Betfair.
I can't make head or tail of this political betting game sometimes
This thread features being on poppers and an awful pun.0 -
He's an anchor baby. At least ineligible Obama had one US citizen parent, as does ineligible Cruz...MarqueeMark said:
He only has a Canadian passport?Danny565 said:Incidentally, for those getting on Rubio for the Republican nomination - the grapevine says there's going to be a "development" in about a week's time which could torpedo his chances.
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If the Queen calls Jeremy and says "Do you think you can command the confidence of the House of Commons?", the answer's got to be "No", surely. So if the Conservative Party split, it would result in new elections. But I just can't see it.Wanderer said:
How about this: Remain wins with 50.00001%, sceptics see Cameron as having cheated to win, Con splits hard and govt falls. Corbyn gets chance to form a govt under FTPA and says something like "This is very unsatisfactory. Mr Cameron has behaved disgracefully. It's time for a serious talk with our European partners and some fundamental changes We can't go on in Europe as we are." Would Con unite to vote down his Queen's Speech? (Also, this scenario depends on the SNP, as you say.)ydoethur said:
They would have to fall apart on a scale unsurpassed since the collapse of Stephen's army at Lincoln for that to become a possibility. Labour are 100 seats behind and have no natural allies apart from Plaid and the Greens- even the SNP would surely fight shy of this shambles.Wanderer said:
I have no intention of backing him but I would say his odds should have come in a touch, not because he did not make quite so much of an arse of himself as usual but because the chances of the Conservative Party falling apart increased and that is a possible route to a Corbyn-led minority government.Omnium said:For the first time in ages Corbyn has only had a couple of bad things happen in the week. Oddly though he's lengthened in the Next PM market on Betfair.
I can't make head or tail of this political betting game sometimes
This week it's been Tory travails over Europe, which has made for a refreshing change from Corbyn's travails over merely being Corbyn. Therefore, by being anonymous he has by default had a good week. That's not enough for a serious politician. He cannot even expect that to last for ever, possibly not even for long.
Alternative is much simpler: Con splits, government falls, election is held resulting in a few gains for Lab, enough to let them form a govt with the SNP. (Of course the Lab gains part is hard to envisage but if you had official and "true" Conservatives standing against each other perhaps its possible.)0 -
I genuinely look forwards to reading your thoughts.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm doing a Jez might not be crap thread for tomorrow.Omnium said:For the first time in ages Corbyn has only had a couple of bad things happen in the week. Oddly though he's lengthened in the Next PM market on Betfair.
I can't make head or tail of this political betting game sometimes
Its probably the case that it's not so much about him being crap as Labour being crap enough to elect him. Who knows. Perhaps he can turn things around and create some sort of coherence (and honesty). I'm pretty sure he must be learning as he goes along, almost as if he's an apprentice to the political trade.
Given he's retained a degree of support when spouting some pretty daft stuff, if he ups his game a little he could actually start to make headway.
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No one cares about or watches PMQs.MarqueeMark said:
But his PMQs was his worst...TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm doing a Jez might not be crap thread for tomorrow.Omnium said:For the first time in ages Corbyn has only had a couple of bad things happen in the week. Oddly though he's lengthened in the Next PM market on Betfair.
I can't make head or tail of this political betting game sometimes
This thread features being on poppers and an awful pun.
Lots of people watch or read PMQs..the political ones....0 -
Probably to do with the Newstatesman rumours that McDonnell is being lined up to be leader when Jezza collapses in exhaustion or resigns for family reasons.TheScreamingEagles said:
No one cares about or watches PMQs.MarqueeMark said:
But his PMQs was his worst...TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm doing a Jez might not be crap thread for tomorrow.Omnium said:For the first time in ages Corbyn has only had a couple of bad things happen in the week. Oddly though he's lengthened in the Next PM market on Betfair.
I can't make head or tail of this political betting game sometimes
This thread features being on poppers and an awful pun.0 -
Cruz, another Goldman Sachs sponsored Harvard Law School graduate, I'm sure the US Establishment is quaking in its boots at his emergence.AlastairMeeks said:Ted Cruz strikes me as much the most interesting candidate on either side. He doesn't come across as very likeable to British eyes (echoes of George Osborne) but he is incredibly driven and seems seriously clever. I can't see him winning the nomination but I can see him changing the terms of politics.
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Quite the reverse. Google him and gossip...Pulpstar said:
Is he gay ?Danny565 said:
Yes, but there's been some nudge-nudge-wink-winks from some reputable political sites too.AlastairMeeks said:
Is this related to the blind gossip piece posted a few days ago?Danny565 said:Incidentally, for those getting on Rubio for the Republican nomination - the grapevine says there's going to be a "development" in about a week's time which could torpedo his chances.
If true, it shouldn't matter but this is the Republican selectorate....0 -
Sure, it's a bit sci-fircs1000 said:
If the Queen calls Jeremy and says "Do you think you can command the confidence of the House of Commons?", the answer's got to be "No", surely. So if the Conservative Party split, it would result in new elections. But I just can't see it.Wanderer said:
How about this: Remain wins with 50.00001%, sceptics see Cameron as having cheated to win, Con splits hard and govt falls. Corbyn gets chance to form a govt under FTPA and says something like "This is very unsatisfactory. Mr Cameron has behaved disgracefully. It's time for a serious talk with our European partners and some fundamental changes We can't go on in Europe as we are." Would Con unite to vote down his Queen's Speech? (Also, this scenario depends on the SNP, as you say.)ydoethur said:
They would have to fall apart on a scale unsurpassed since the collapse of Stephen's army at Lincoln for that to become a possibility. Labour are 100 seats behind and have no natural allies apart from Plaid and the Greens- even the SNP would surely fight shy of this shambles.Wanderer said:
I have no intention of backing him but I would say his odds should have come in a touch, not because he did not make quite so much of an arse of himself as usual but because the chances of the Conservative Party falling apart increased and that is a possible route to a Corbyn-led minority government.Omnium said:For the first time in ages Corbyn has only had a couple of bad things happen in the week. Oddly though he's lengthened in the Next PM market on Betfair.
I can't make head or tail of this political betting game sometimes
This week it's been Tory travails over Europe, which has made for a refreshing change from Corbyn's travails over merely being Corbyn. Therefore, by being anonymous he has by default had a good week. That's not enough for a serious politician. He cannot even expect that to last for ever, possibly not even for long.
Alternative is much simpler: Con splits, government falls, election is held resulting in a few gains for Lab, enough to let them form a govt with the SNP. (Of course the Lab gains part is hard to envisage but if you had official and "true" Conservatives standing against each other perhaps its possible.)0 -
That scenario would unseat Cameron rather than causing a formal split, surely? Then the Conservatives, under a new leader and formidably angry, would have three years to sort themselves out.Wanderer said:
How about this: Remain wins with 50.00001%, sceptics see Cameron as having cheated to win, Con splits hard and govt falls. Corbyn gets chance to form a govt under FTPA and says something like "This is very unsatisfactory. Mr Cameron has behaved disgracefully. It's time for a serious talk with our European partners and some fundamental changes We can't go on in Europe as we are." Would Con unite to vote down his Queen's Speech? (Also, this scenario depends on the SNP, as you say.)
Alternative is much simpler: Con splits, government falls, election is held resulting in a few gains for Lab, enough to let them form a govt with the SNP. (Of course the Lab gains part is hard to envisage but if you had official and "true" Conservatives standing against each other perhaps its possible.)
They do have one priceless advantage - Corbyn is a eurosceptic unconvincingly posing as a europhile. So any capital he tries to make out of it with his usual hypocrisy and ineptitude would merely make him look even stupider than he does after Trident, Falklands, Paris, Abbott etc.
Bear in mind there are few Europhiles left and the Conservatives haven't split formally or otherwise since the slice off the top of 1922 and you start to see the improbability of your scenario. It's not impossible but it's much the least likely of those scenarios that are technically possible.0 -
Eh? He was born in the USA. That's the end of it surely? Perhaps he has been doing a 'Clinton'?RodCrosby said:
He's an anchor baby. At least ineligible Obama had one US citizen parent, as does ineligible Cruz...MarqueeMark said:
He only has a Canadian passport?Danny565 said:Incidentally, for those getting on Rubio for the Republican nomination - the grapevine says there's going to be a "development" in about a week's time which could torpedo his chances.
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http://www.agcwebpages.com/BLINDITEMS/2016/JAN.htmlPulpstar said:
Is he gay ?Danny565 said:
Yes, but there's been some nudge-nudge-wink-winks from some reputable political sites too.AlastairMeeks said:
Is this related to the blind gossip piece posted a few days ago?Danny565 said:Incidentally, for those getting on Rubio for the Republican nomination - the grapevine says there's going to be a "development" in about a week's time which could torpedo his chances.
If true, it shouldn't matter but this is the Republican selectorate....
http://www.agcwebpages.com/BLINDITEMS/2016/FEB.html0 -
http://www.scribd.com/doc/99535157/American-Bridge-Rubio-BookMarqueeMark said:
Quite the reverse. Google him and gossip...Pulpstar said:
Is he gay ?Danny565 said:
Yes, but there's been some nudge-nudge-wink-winks from some reputable political sites too.AlastairMeeks said:
Is this related to the blind gossip piece posted a few days ago?Danny565 said:Incidentally, for those getting on Rubio for the Republican nomination - the grapevine says there's going to be a "development" in about a week's time which could torpedo his chances.
If true, it shouldn't matter but this is the Republican selectorate....0 -
One of my cousins was born in the U.S., but that did not make her a U.S. Citizen (same goes for Boris). Nationality is inherited as well as place of birth.rottenborough said:
Eh? He was born in the USA. That's the end of it surely? Perhaps he has been doing a 'Clinton'?RodCrosby said:
He's an anchor baby. At least ineligible Obama had one US citizen parent, as does ineligible Cruz...MarqueeMark said:
He only has a Canadian passport?Danny565 said:Incidentally, for those getting on Rubio for the Republican nomination - the grapevine says there's going to be a "development" in about a week's time which could torpedo his chances.
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I did thanks. If any of it is true, this kind of thing didn't stop Clinton. But then he was a especially charismatic candidate.MarqueeMark said:
Quite the reverse. Google him and gossip...Pulpstar said:
Is he gay ?Danny565 said:
Yes, but there's been some nudge-nudge-wink-winks from some reputable political sites too.AlastairMeeks said:
Is this related to the blind gossip piece posted a few days ago?Danny565 said:Incidentally, for those getting on Rubio for the Republican nomination - the grapevine says there's going to be a "development" in about a week's time which could torpedo his chances.
If true, it shouldn't matter but this is the Republican selectorate....
Hoping it all social media bollx as I have just bet on Rubio for POTUS.0 -
Boris was a US citizen until he renounced it, I thought,ydoethur said:
One of my cousins was born in the U.S., but that did not make her a U.S. Citizen (same goes for Boris). Nationality is inherited as well as place of birth.rottenborough said:
Eh? He was born in the USA. That's the end of it surely? Perhaps he has been doing a 'Clinton'?RodCrosby said:
He's an anchor baby. At least ineligible Obama had one US citizen parent, as does ineligible Cruz...MarqueeMark said:
He only has a Canadian passport?Danny565 said:Incidentally, for those getting on Rubio for the Republican nomination - the grapevine says there's going to be a "development" in about a week's time which could torpedo his chances.
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Eh? I thought Boris is a US Citizen?ydoethur said:
One of my cousins was born in the U.S., but that did not make her a U.S. Citizen (same goes for Boris). Nationality is inherited as well as place of birth.rottenborough said:
Eh? He was born in the USA. That's the end of it surely? Perhaps he has been doing a 'Clinton'?RodCrosby said:
He's an anchor baby. At least ineligible Obama had one US citizen parent, as does ineligible Cruz...MarqueeMark said:
He only has a Canadian passport?Danny565 said:Incidentally, for those getting on Rubio for the Republican nomination - the grapevine says there's going to be a "development" in about a week's time which could torpedo his chances.
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The voices in your head aren't a 'grapevine'.Danny565 said:Incidentally, for those getting on Rubio for the Republican nomination - the grapevine says there's going to be a "development" in about a week's time which could torpedo his chances.
Although they might be caused by the results of grape fermentation.0 -
Well they're not impossible but if they are true it is extremely surprising they have not been substantiated by now. Gary Hart only took a few weeks, and that was just sex, no suggestion that he had children as well (who are not exactly easy to hide).rottenborough said:
I did thanks. If any of it is true, this kind of thing didn't stop Clinton. But then he was a especially charismatic candidate.MarqueeMark said:
Quite the reverse. Google him and gossip...Pulpstar said:
Is he gay ?Danny565 said:
Yes, but there's been some nudge-nudge-wink-winks from some reputable political sites too.AlastairMeeks said:
Is this related to the blind gossip piece posted a few days ago?Danny565 said:Incidentally, for those getting on Rubio for the Republican nomination - the grapevine says there's going to be a "development" in about a week's time which could torpedo his chances.
If true, it shouldn't matter but this is the Republican selectorate....
Hoping it all social media bollx as I have just bet on Rubio for POTUS.0 -
Wonder what the odds were pre-season on a Leicester-Tottenham forecast.0
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What about the gay porno tho ?ydoethur said:
Well they're not impossible but if they are true it is extremely surprising they have not been substantiated by now. Gary Hart only took a few weeks, and that was just sex, no suggestion that he had children as well (who are not exactly easy to hide).rottenborough said:
I did thanks. If any of it is true, this kind of thing didn't stop Clinton. But then he was a especially charismatic candidate.MarqueeMark said:
Quite the reverse. Google him and gossip...Pulpstar said:
Is he gay ?Danny565 said:
Yes, but there's been some nudge-nudge-wink-winks from some reputable political sites too.AlastairMeeks said:
Is this related to the blind gossip piece posted a few days ago?Danny565 said:Incidentally, for those getting on Rubio for the Republican nomination - the grapevine says there's going to be a "development" in about a week's time which could torpedo his chances.
If true, it shouldn't matter but this is the Republican selectorate....
Hoping it all social media bollx as I have just bet on Rubio for POTUS.0 -
Nothing in that report. Try this:rcs1000 said:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/99535157/American-Bridge-Rubio-BookMarqueeMark said:
Quite the reverse. Google him and gossip...Pulpstar said:
Is he gay ?Danny565 said:
Yes, but there's been some nudge-nudge-wink-winks from some reputable political sites too.AlastairMeeks said:
Is this related to the blind gossip piece posted a few days ago?Danny565 said:Incidentally, for those getting on Rubio for the Republican nomination - the grapevine says there's going to be a "development" in about a week's time which could torpedo his chances.
If true, it shouldn't matter but this is the Republican selectorate....
http://gawker.com/5994678/here-are-the-career-ending-marco-rubio-rumors-buzzfeed-wants-to-write-about-without-writing-about
"Cheerleaders"....0 -
Yes, but he had to be registered specially because his parents were British. I think the fact they were both long-term residents had some bearing although I could be wrong.rottenborough said:
Eh? I thought Boris is a US Citizen?ydoethur said:
One of my cousins was born in the U.S., but that did not make her a U.S. Citizen (same goes for Boris). Nationality is inherited as well as place of birth.rottenborough said:
Eh? He was born in the USA. That's the end of it surely? Perhaps he has been doing a 'Clinton'?RodCrosby said:
He's an anchor baby. At least ineligible Obama had one US citizen parent, as does ineligible Cruz...MarqueeMark said:
He only has a Canadian passport?Danny565 said:Incidentally, for those getting on Rubio for the Republican nomination - the grapevine says there's going to be a "development" in about a week's time which could torpedo his chances.
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Hadn't heard about that!!! Is he alleged to moonlight as David Rose from Meth Productions?Pulpstar said:
What about the gay porno tho ?ydoethur said:
Well they're not impossible but if they are true it is extremely surprising they have not been substantiated by now. Gary Hart only took a few weeks, and that was just sex, no suggestion that he had children as well (who are not exactly easy to hide).rottenborough said:
I did thanks. If any of it is true, this kind of thing didn't stop Clinton. But then he was a especially charismatic candidate.MarqueeMark said:
Quite the reverse. Google him and gossip...Pulpstar said:
Is he gay ?Danny565 said:
Yes, but there's been some nudge-nudge-wink-winks from some reputable political sites too.AlastairMeeks said:
Is this related to the blind gossip piece posted a few days ago?Danny565 said:Incidentally, for those getting on Rubio for the Republican nomination - the grapevine says there's going to be a "development" in about a week's time which could torpedo his chances.
If true, it shouldn't matter but this is the Republican selectorate....
Hoping it all social media bollx as I have just bet on Rubio for POTUS.0 -
May as well say it now, this is what I was referring to (and the suggestion that a concrete story is coming the week starting 15th February).Pulpstar said:
What about the gay porno tho ?ydoethur said:
Well they're not impossible but if they are true it is extremely surprising they have not been substantiated by now. Gary Hart only took a few weeks, and that was just sex, no suggestion that he had children as well (who are not exactly easy to hide).rottenborough said:
I did thanks. If any of it is true, this kind of thing didn't stop Clinton. But then he was a especially charismatic candidate.MarqueeMark said:
Quite the reverse. Google him and gossip...Pulpstar said:
Is he gay ?Danny565 said:
Yes, but there's been some nudge-nudge-wink-winks from some reputable political sites too.AlastairMeeks said:
Is this related to the blind gossip piece posted a few days ago?Danny565 said:Incidentally, for those getting on Rubio for the Republican nomination - the grapevine says there's going to be a "development" in about a week's time which could torpedo his chances.
If true, it shouldn't matter but this is the Republican selectorate....
Hoping it all social media bollx as I have just bet on Rubio for POTUS.
It would also make sense of why there was such a big fuss about his boots a few weeks ago, which on the face of it looked like a very trivial story even by US election standards.0 -
FPT
For all those of you asking about IT stuff, there are alternatives. I am a dedicated late-adopter who still uses WinXP on a 2009 netbook, but that fine combo is showing its age. When I do my five-yearly upgrade I will go to a charity I know that refurbishes old PCs and resells them. I will come away with Windows 7 and Office 2013 laptop for about £150 and it will be entirely adequate, with all the internal gunk cleared out and as fast as a slippery goose.
If you want to do something similar, google "computer recycle and refurbishment" in your area
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A Muslim women’s activist, who called for a Labour inquiry into allegations that women have been systematically blocked from seeking election by men in their communities, has called the party’s lukewarm response “a slap in the face”.
Shaista Gohir of the Muslim Women’s Network UK and Gavin Shuker, a Labour MP, claimed discrimination was an open secret in many local councils.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/06/activist-condemns-labour-response-to-jeremy-corbyn-letter-charges-of-bias-against-muslim-women0 -
Rubio is on thin ice just because of his inexperience and (cough) youth. He has to play a better campaign to some extent than the other candidates. Obama showed the way though, so that helps him.
I've opposed Rubio, and backed Trump. I need to fund my trip into space should the latter become President somehow.
I would say though that I somehow instinctively dislike Rubio - that goes for most of the Republican candidates though.
My big Presidential bet was on Fiorina - so I've already lost. I dislike her a little less than the others.0 -
Mr Jacqui Smith is the authority here.Pulpstar said:
What about the gay porno tho ?ydoethur said:
Well they're not impossible but if they are true it is extremely surprising they have not been substantiated by now. Gary Hart only took a few weeks, and that was just sex, no suggestion that he had children as well (who are not exactly easy to hide).rottenborough said:
I did thanks. If any of it is true, this kind of thing didn't stop Clinton. But then he was a especially charismatic candidate.MarqueeMark said:
Quite the reverse. Google him and gossip...Pulpstar said:
Is he gay ?Danny565 said:
Yes, but there's been some nudge-nudge-wink-winks from some reputable political sites too.AlastairMeeks said:
Is this related to the blind gossip piece posted a few days ago?Danny565 said:Incidentally, for those getting on Rubio for the Republican nomination - the grapevine says there's going to be a "development" in about a week's time which could torpedo his chances.
If true, it shouldn't matter but this is the Republican selectorate....
Hoping it all social media bollx as I have just bet on Rubio for POTUS.0 -
The rabble-rouser who spent his honeymoon at a squalid migrant camp in Calais was jailed for being part of a gang of looters in the 2011 riots, the Daily Mail can reveal.
Syed Bokhari was handed a nine-month term for raiding an electronics shop at the height of the unrest, which caused hundreds of millions of pounds in damage across Britain.
The 28-year-old former asylum-seeker, who was born in Pakistan, targeted a shop owned by an elderly man who migrated to the UK from India in the 1960s.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3434248/Rabble-rouser-spent-honeymoon-Calais-Jungle-jailed-looting-migrant-shop-riots-BOASTED-online.html
One of Seamus Milne's type of people....0 -
"My big Presidential bet was on Fiorina - so I've already lost. I dislike her a little less than the others."Omnium said:Rubio is on thin ice just because of his inexperience and (cough) youth. He has to play a better campaign to some extent than the other candidates. Obama showed the way though, so that helps him.
I've opposed Rubio, and backed Trump. I need to fund my trip into space should the latter become President somehow.
I would say though that I somehow instinctively dislike Rubio - that goes for most of the Republican candidates though.
My big Presidential bet was on Fiorina - so I've already lost. I dislike her a little less than the others.
Likewise. I was hoping for a massive pay-out on a small bet. I thought, being the only woman, she might suddenly cut-through. But it is not to be.0 -
Just 100 fake voters, these radial lefties don't work very hard do they...Plato_Says said:0 -
Being born in a stable doesn't make you a horse.rottenborough said:
Eh? He was born in the USA. That's the end of it surely? Perhaps he has been doing a 'Clinton'?RodCrosby said:
He's an anchor baby. At least ineligible Obama had one US citizen parent, as does ineligible Cruz...MarqueeMark said:
He only has a Canadian passport?Danny565 said:Incidentally, for those getting on Rubio for the Republican nomination - the grapevine says there's going to be a "development" in about a week's time which could torpedo his chances.
The Founders, Framers and Ratifiers of the Constitution specifically wanted to remove the possibility of foreign influence on the POTUS. [See letter of John Jay to George Washington, July 25, 1787]
After considering several weaker qualifications they settled on the most restrictive - a natural born citizen [save for the eligible "citizens" who fought in the Revolution, who would die out].
A natural born citizen is one who can only be a citizen of the US at birth by natural law.
Rubio and Obama need [a liberal interpretation of] the 14th amendment to make them mere "citizens", which we know is not the same thing as an NBC. Cruz needs a Naturalization statute to make him a mere "citizen", which we know is not the same thing as an NBC...
A natural born citizen is one who needs no statute, cannot be a citizen of anywhere else, and can only be one who is "born in the country of parents who were its citizens". See Minor v Happersett, US v Wong Kim Ark0 -
Corbynistas have broken my WTF meter. Nothing surprises me.
Any Tory would've been hanged for less.FrancisUrquhart said:
Just 100 fake voters, these radial lefties don't work very hard do they...Plato_Says said:0 -
You were saying about Corbyn's better week....?Plato_Says said:0 -
She should be barred from any political activity. Period.MarqueeMark said:
You were saying about Corbyn's better week....?Plato_Says said:0 -
A literal interpretation of that would have been fun in 2008 as both candidates would have failed that very restrictive interpretation.RodCrosby said:A natural born citizen is one who needs no statute, cannot be a citizen of anywhere else, and can only be one who is "born in the country of parents who were its citizens". See Minor v Happersett, US v Wong Kim Ark
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Well quite. But it's CorbynistaLand where advocating Venezuelan economic theory and hugging ISIS is de rigure.
The Red Queen is a goody.rottenborough said:
She should be barred from any political activity. Period.MarqueeMark said:
You were saying about Corbyn's better week....?Plato_Says said:0 -
I requested this information, thanks for providing the answer - I'll check it out.SeanT said:Someone asked me what laptop I bought recently, the one I so liked
It was this one:
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/toshiba-satellite-p50-c-18j-15-6-laptop-brushed-metal-10138287-pdt.html?intcmpid=display~RR
I got it for £600, cause mine had less storage (I don't need a terabyte!) but I still think it's great value at £679. Really beautiful screen.
It's better and faster than a Macbook which costs twice as much0 -
I did put a pound each way on Leicester at 3000/1 at the end of August :-)Pulpstar said:Wonder what the odds were pre-season on a Leicester-Tottenham forecast.
And said there was still value at 20/1 at Christmas.
We are 3.5 to beat Arsenal next weekend. Looks like value to me, when will these bookies wise up to the fact that this is a really good football team?
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I can't imagine what sort of person would change public position on a critical long term decision on the UK in exchange for a job.
Nicholas Soames is also doing himself no favours in his cattiness.0 -
I only tried poppers once when about 16. A school chums dad owned a pharmacy and he pinched them.
Golly, horny on stilts. Gather they're intended for those with low blood pressure.
Too much inhibition top shelf.TheScreamingEagles said:
No one cares about or watches PMQs.MarqueeMark said:
But his PMQs was his worst...TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm doing a Jez might not be crap thread for tomorrow.Omnium said:For the first time in ages Corbyn has only had a couple of bad things happen in the week. Oddly though he's lengthened in the Next PM market on Betfair.
I can't make head or tail of this political betting game so metimes
This thread features being on poppers and an awful pun.0 -
That's incredible.foxinsoxuk said:
I did put a pound each way on Leicester at 3000/1 at the end of August :-)Pulpstar said:Wonder what the odds were pre-season on a Leicester-Tottenham forecast.
Well done!0 -
It was after we did so well in the first 3 matches (WWD) and looked at top 10 odds. I thought winning it worth a quid each way. I also got on a top 4 finish at 150/1 at the same time. I also backed top 6 and top 10.Pong said:
That's incredible.foxinsoxuk said:
I did put a pound each way on Leicester at 3000/1 at the end of August :-)Pulpstar said:Wonder what the odds were pre-season on a Leicester-Tottenham forecast.
Well done!
If we win the league I will have paid for my season ticket for a decade.0 -
Because 42 is the answer to Life, The Universe and Everything
JeremyCorbyn4PM
'Jeremy Corbyn's opposition to austerity is actually mainstream economics.'
RT if you agree with these 42 economists https://t.co/B8ZP9GgBuf0 -
McCain was born by repute in the US of citizen parents who were serving their country in an overseas territory.ydoethur said:
A literal interpretation of that would have been fun in 2008 as both candidates would have failed that very restrictive interpretation.RodCrosby said:A natural born citizen is one who needs no statute, cannot be a citizen of anywhere else, and can only be one who is "born in the country of parents who were its citizens". See Minor v Happersett, US v Wong Kim Ark
See Vattel, The Law of Nations, 1758
http://lonang.com/library/reference/vattel-law-of-nations/vatt-119/
"§ 217. Children born in the armies of the state or in the house of its minister at a foreign court.
For the same reasons also, children born out of the country, in the armies of the state, or in the house of its minister at a foreign court, are reputed born in the country; for a citizen who is absent with his family, on the service of the state, but still dependent on it, and subject to its jurisdiction, cannot be considered as having quitted its territory."
Letter of Benjamin Franklin to Charles Dumas [editor of Vattel], December 9, 1775
"I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the law of nations. Accordingly that copy, which I kept, (after depositing one in our own public library here, and sending the other to the College of Massachusetts Bay, as you directed,) has been continually in the hands of the members of our Congress, now sitting, who are much pleased with your notes and preface, and have entertained a high and just esteem for their author..."0 -
Soames is establishment through and through. He is establishment by even establishment standards. His position is not at all surprising.NorfolkTilIDie said:I can't imagine what sort of person would change public position on a critical long term decision on the UK in exchange for a job.
Nicholas Soames is also doing himself no favours in his cattiness.0
