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  • Dair
    Dair Posts: 6,108
    edited April 2015
    Sun worm hammering Miliband.

    Nicola well ahead.
  • Richard_Tyndall
    Richard_Tyndall Posts: 33,463
    glw said:

    Two serious politicians and five chumps.

    I think calling Ed a chump is a bit cruel.
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    JackW said:

    Wood ok. Smiles, looking confident.

    She's the only one of the 7 I've crossed paths with. I walked passed her outside the Welsh Assembly building whilst she was having a fag. Smiled at me too.
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    Cameron has used up all his statistics in the first five minutes.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    Clegg taking the middle of the road by attacking both the Tories and Labour on the economy.
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    The sun worm!

    If you believe the worm we would have a Tory majority.
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    Where is the worm? Not seeing it on ITV
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Goodness, this is so stilted.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    Freggles said:

    Cameron has used up all his statistics in the first five minutes.

    Maybe he has actually done some prep for this one, rather than last week where he decided it wasn't required.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Wood just said debt instead of deficit. I guess the average voter might not get the difference though...
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Clegg is doing well I think.
  • Dair
    Dair Posts: 6,108
    Coalition record on the Deficit is ripped to shreds.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    edited April 2015
    I begin to see that the format is working against Cameron, he is 1 vs 6 on the economy.
    He is attacked by everyone on the economy, even Clegg.
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Farage's answer is the first from anyone that sounds even remotely natural/spontaneous.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Farage nailing it. He's the only one with a clear message.
  • nigel4england
    nigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Clegg is good at this
  • BenM
    BenM Posts: 1,795
    Ed ok opening statement. Dave dull.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    None of them are answering the question.
  • chestnut
    chestnut Posts: 7,341
    Clegg literally behaving like a worm on the worm. He's burrowed down and is showing no sign of wanting to come back up.
  • BenM
    BenM Posts: 1,795
    Well said Ed on tax receipts.
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    If Ed is going to make an impact it'll be in the open debate, not the set pieces
  • MikeK
    MikeK Posts: 9,053
    Danny565 said:

    Goodness, this is so stilted.

    Stilted and quite terrible for the TV audience. Cameron has succeeded spoiling political TV debates for a generation. :(
  • MarkHopkins
    MarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    chestnut said:

    Clegg literally behaving like a worm on the worm. He's burrowed down and is showing no sign of wanting to come back up.

    Is there a link to worm?
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    tlg86 said:

    Wood just said debt instead of deficit. I guess the average voter might not get the difference though...

    I want to see her go big on preserving the Welsh language. Debt and deficit are irrelevant, that's Plaid's USP.
  • Artist
    Artist Posts: 1,893
    Danny565 said:

    Goodness, this is so stilted.

    I really can't see politically casual viewers sticking with this.
  • glw
    glw Posts: 10,463
    Fair taxes, awesome, common sense spending reduction, cool, boosting living standards, yay!

    How Ed? How will you do these things? *silence*
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Miliband says taxes cut by £43k for millionaires.

    Not true. He means people earning £1million PER YEAR.

    Very different.
  • Saltire
    Saltire Posts: 525
    BBC news channel also has it's own worm. The 2 nationalists are doing worst so far
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    Miliband does a Clegg looking straight to Cameron.

    I just get the feeling he looks diminished in this crowd.
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited April 2015
    Freggles said:

    If Ed is going to make an impact it'll be in the open debate, not the set pieces

    Yup. He just sounds so awful when doing the pre-scripted soundbites. I don't know if he's going to get the chance to do the kind of natural "free-roaming" he did last week.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,457
    I wish there was a pb.com Gogglebox channel....
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    MarkHopkins said:

    chestnut said:

    Clegg literally behaving like a worm on the worm. He's burrowed down and is showing no sign of wanting to come back up.

    Is there a link to worm?
    I found the Telegraph twitter worn.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11512203/Election-debates-Who-does-Twitter-think-is-winning.html
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    My god this is boring - and I'm a politics nut.
  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207
    Wife has just declined to talk to a friend who rang her as she wants to watch the debate.

    I am watching Naval Aviation on PBS

  • nigel4england
    nigel4england Posts: 4,800
    BenM said:

    Well said Ed on tax receipts.

    Unemployment will rocket under your lot, much less tax receipts
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    edited April 2015
    Betfair - Farage odds on - 1.7.

    Cam 4.5

    Mili 8.8
  • BenM
    BenM Posts: 1,795
    Austerity rightly getting hammered.
  • Pong
    Pong Posts: 4,693
    Farage layable @1.7

    Lay lay lay
  • chestnut
    chestnut Posts: 7,341
    MarkHopkins said:

    chestnut said:

    Clegg literally behaving like a worm on the worm. He's burrowed down and is showing no sign of wanting to come back up.

    Is there a link to worm?
    http://www.sunnation.co.uk/live-watch-our-mass-debate-twitter-worm-in-action/
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,683
    Clegg going straight for Cameron.
  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207
    Dair said:

    MikeK said:

    One of nine Britons detained in Turkey for allegedly trying to cross illegally into Syria has been named as the son of a Labour councillor.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32165337

    Well fancy that, and from Rochdale too.

    To be fair.

    It is possible they weren't trying to join ISIS and had another reason to get out of the country as quickly as possible....
    Which involved entering Syria............

    Bless.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    Oh Clegg is attacking Cameron voluntarily.
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    This is looking bad for Cameron. Even Clegg is going after him.
  • Artist
    Artist Posts: 1,893
    Could be a long night for Cameron if even Clegg is picking him first.
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    LOL CLEGG!
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Artist said:

    Could be a long night for Cameron if even Clegg is picking him first.

    My thoughts entirely.
  • GeoffM
    GeoffM Posts: 6,071
    BenM said:

    Austerity rightly getting hammered.

    If only there has actually been any.
  • Eastwinger
    Eastwinger Posts: 356
    They are all going to eliminate the deficit by spending more money.

    Sounds great.
  • Carnyx
    Carnyx Posts: 44,654
    edited April 2015
    RodCrosby said:

    Did my ears deceive me or did Faisal Islam just say Sturgeon "would be appealing to Labour voters in northern England"?

    How the F*** is that supposed to work, then?

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Did my ears deceive me or did Faisal Islam just say Sturgeon "would be appealing to Labour voters in northern England"?

    How the F*** is that supposed to work, then?

    As follows:

    In order to completely kill off the (admittedly feeble) Labour argument that a vote for the SNP is a vote for the Tories, she'll want to maximise the support she gets from south of the border. If she can get left-wing English journalists, pundits and voters to say she came over better than Ed M (which shouldn't be hard), then she'll have a good argument to use in Scotland that a vote for the SNP is a safe vote for Labour voters.
    MaxPB said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Did my ears deceive me or did Faisal Islam just say Sturgeon "would be appealing to Labour voters in northern England"?

    How the F*** is that supposed to work, then?

    Detoxify the SNP for wavering SLAB voters. If the SNP come across as a reasonable non-separatist movement that isn't interested in another independence referendum then it will help them hold onto a lot of the 45% and a lot of the tartan Tories who loathe Labour and have nowhere else to go.
    The issue is whether the SNP policies resonate with N English voters (or other rUK voters) who want but can't have them thanks to the Westminster consensus (etc). Even doing down Labour and Tory votes a little can't do any harm; and it also - as you say - detoxifies the SNP [edit]but also for English voters as well. After all the rabid Emmanuel Goldstein treatment of Mr Salmond in the English and Unionist Scottish media, Nicola Sturgeon speaking her own words is likely to be a surprise. How much of an impact is another matter of course.

  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Cam fight back!
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    God, Ed is atrocious so far. Sturgeon and even Clegg have been giving much more coherent critiques of austerity.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    Cameron is drowning as he is attacked by everyone on the economy.
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,311
    Sturgeon backs Ed.

    vacuous round numbers from her on poverty.
  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744
    Nige and Natalie. With Nicola close behind
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    People who oppose balancing the books then complain they're not balanced are ridiculous. Especially when it comes from Labour.

    Its like pyromaniacs picketing the fire brigade and then complaining that the firefighters didn't put out the fires they started quick enough.
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    Clegg is so shameless it is actually great.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,802
    Careful Nick, you could lose the support of Con tactical voters in Sheffield Hallam who you need to keep your seat.
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    It's kicking off
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Oh dear, turning into a farce.
  • BenM
    BenM Posts: 1,795
    Nigel being an idiot.
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,714
    Can I vote all seven as useless?

    I think Milliband is going to win this by a mile.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    Farage is having a fit on the deficit talk.
  • RodCrosby
    RodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Starting to shout over one another.

    Clegg doing quite well.
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    I'm not watching but I can't work out from the commentary on here whether it's great entertainment or dull.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Farage 1.44!!!
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    What's the "SunWorm" saying? My suspicion is Ed is tanking.
  • BenM
    BenM Posts: 1,795
    Decent policies getting discussed tonight.

    What a difference the absence of rightwing newspapers makes.
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    That shot of Cameron while Nathalie mentions disabled people getting hit with the bedroom tax was brutal
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Clegg far too over eager.
  • glw
    glw Posts: 10,463
    rcs1000 said:

    Can I vote all seven as useless?

    I agree with that. It blows my mind that some of them will get any votes at all.
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    The kick offs are good.

    This should happen all the time! Would be good for politics
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    Cameron looking uneasy as bedroom tax comes up.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    Cameron clearly looks that he is not enjoying it, he is now sweating.
  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744
    IOS. Shameless but Cameron is definitely trailing and it's largely thanks to the fifth columnist Clegg
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    "I'm sorry we ran out of money" - oops.
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,250
    Thai broth with noodles has not gone down too well - the fish did not go well with the broth.

    Big mistake!
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,683
    rcs1000 said:

    Can I vote all seven as useless?

    I think Milliband is going to win this by a mile.

    Why? His odds have drifted from 5/1 to 10/1 on Betfair.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,683
    Cameron stuttering there. Not good.
  • BenM
    BenM Posts: 1,795
    Ed is doing very well so far.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Ed Miliband silover tie - KERCHING !
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,311
    There you go again - worked for Reagan.
  • chestnut
    chestnut Posts: 7,341
    Danny565 said:

    What's the "SunWorm" saying? My suspicion is Ed is tanking.

    They all are except Wood, Bennett and Sturgeon.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    I think the host needs to stop trying to manufacture the debate.
  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207
    Omnium said:

    If I was a Tory strategist tonight I'd be trying to get Ed to sneer. It's an unattractive trait in all of us, and Ed does it very well - and thus poorly for his prospects.

    That simple thing is all they need.

    Earlier as I handed my wife the phone she was passing a choice comment on the face ~Ed was pulling.
  • Dair
    Dair Posts: 6,108
    Cleggy is flatlining on the Sun worm. Farage up and down like a Welsh girls knickers.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Cam talking far more than anyone else!
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,683
    Farage's odds have massively shortened on Betfair. Touching 1.4
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    Miliband pulls out the Reagan "there you go again" stunt.
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    OHHH CAMERON DID NOT LIKE BEING CUT OFF THEN
  • Dair
    Dair Posts: 6,108
    Danny565 said:

    What's the "SunWorm" saying? My suspicion is Ed is tanking.

    http://www.sunnation.co.uk/live-watch-our-mass-debate-twitter-worm-in-action/
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    chestnut said:

    Danny565 said:

    What's the "SunWorm" saying? My suspicion is Ed is tanking.

    They all are except Wood, Bennett and Sturgeon.
    Who's winning between Ed and Dave?
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Everyone is questioning Cam so he gets to speak far more.
  • Ishmael_X
    Ishmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Oooh there you go raking up the past again - pathetic from ed.
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Roger said:

    IOS. Shameless but Cameron is definitely trailing and it's largely thanks to the fifth columnist Clegg

    I don't know why but what springs to my mind is that pompous English officer from Last Of The Mohicans. Goes from being a cowardly fop to sacrificing himself as a hero by choosing to be burnt at the stake.
  • Toms
    Toms Posts: 2,478
    Marf's somewhat right listening on 5 live at least. Full marks to the MC, however.

    What's cutting the debt in half mean when it has nearly doubled?

    http://www.debtbombshell.com/
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Dair said:

    Danny565 said:

    What's the "SunWorm" saying? My suspicion is Ed is tanking.

    http://www.sunnation.co.uk/live-watch-our-mass-debate-twitter-worm-in-action/
    Hmm, surprisingly ok for Ed.
  • chestnut
    chestnut Posts: 7,341
    Danny565 said:

    chestnut said:

    Danny565 said:

    What's the "SunWorm" saying? My suspicion is Ed is tanking.

    They all are except Wood, Bennett and Sturgeon.
    Who's winning between Ed and Dave?
    Both dying
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    The women of the debate are winning this by a mile.
    They look cool and sound reasonable while the men are all shouting at each other.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    MikeL said:

    Everyone is questioning Cam so he gets to speak far more.

    Which is fair enough - and the host isn't allow the debate to take its course.
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Cameron vs others could swing this one way or the other. Milibland is become an other while Cameron gets to respond to everyone questioning him.
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