Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
The left have collective breakdowns, while the right have moral vacuums I suppose. Neither gets us very far.
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Thoughtful right wingers really ought to be having a collective breakdown as well. This guy is your global standard bearer- are these really your standards?
As the line in the movie goes, Do you still think you can control them?
I think it all depends on just how this plays out
It may just be rhetoric but certainly it is a huge move to the right and how it impacts politics across the globe remains to be seen
The idea that the consumer foots the whole bill for them is far too simplistic though.
Who pays the tax on petrol? Saudi Aramco or British drivers?
Now, will there be multiple impacts? Sure.
In particular, assuming no one else retaliates, then the impact will be mostly to cause the US dollar to appreciate slightly, and for product to spend slightly longer going around the world. (Buy Norwegian shipping companies.)
...I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined...
Um, everything he has said has been pretty widely trailed over the last few days or weeks, and Project 2025/Agenda47/whatever were wide-ranging and specific. There's nothing here that's surprising.
The only surprise is that previously a lot of the stupid shit Trump said he would do was quite different to the stupid shit he actually did.
This time around he seems to be doing the stupid shit he said he would do.
Designating the drug cartels as "foreign terrorist organisations" - anyone have a feel for how consequential that is?
Clear and Present Danger by Tom Clancy.
Probably his most best book - the film rewrote the story stupidly.
In the book, the President declares the Colombian drug cartel (supposed to be Medellin, give the time, but not named) as a threat to the US. The use of the military goes slowly wrong. It’s not (largely) due to overt evil - people do X, which seems reasonable to them. Which causes Y. Then someone does Z.
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Thoughtful right wingers really ought to be having a collective breakdown as well. This guy is your global standard bearer- are these really your standards?
As the line in the movie goes, Do you still think you can control them?
I think it all depends on just how this plays out
It may just be rhetoric but certainly it is a huge move to the right and how it impacts politics across the globe remains to be seen
It’s amazing how we don’t talk about this more. The entire western world is moving very sharply to the right - even hard right
But when did we last see such a vibe shift? The 1960s? The end of WW2?
This is epochal stuff but we act like it’s normal. Starmer’s Britain under Labour is looking like a massive outlier - deeply exposed - and doomed
Trump promises to 'drill baby drill' for oil and gas and end green new deal and revoke electric car mandate
Musk just shat himself!
The speculation is that without EV subsidies, most of the non-Tesla EV manufacturers in the US will be in the shit. Tesla would be the clear winner for US made EVs….
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Thoughtful right wingers really ought to be having a collective breakdown as well. This guy is your global standard bearer- are these really your standards?
As the line in the movie goes, Do you still think you can control them?
I think it all depends on just how this plays out
It may just be rhetoric but certainly it is a huge move to the right and how it impacts politics across the globe remains to be seen
But Big G. the move isn't towards a One Nation Conservatism it's towards the Tommy Robinson's right. I am surprised you are so sanguine.
The idea that the consumer foots the whole bill for them is far too simplistic though.
Who pays the tax on petrol? Saudi Aramco or British drivers?
Now, will there be multiple impacts? Sure.
In particular, assuming no one else retaliates, then the impact will be mostly to cause the US dollar to appreciate slightly, and for product to spend slightly longer going around the world. (Buy Norwegian shipping companies.)
The idea that the consumer foots the whole bill for them is far too simplistic though.
Who pays the tax on petrol? Saudi Aramco or British drivers?
Now, will there be multiple impacts? Sure.
In particular, assuming no one else retaliates, then the impact will be mostly to cause the US dollar to appreciate slightly, and for product to spend slightly longer going around the world. (Buy Norwegian shipping companies.)
For a secular nation they don't have toady to God. Seems all very foreign.
Secular nation? There might be separation of church and state in theory, but they're way more religious than us in reality.
Regular church attendance in the US has declined from 42% in 2003 to 30% in 2023.
And it's about 5% here, so the point stands.
Church of England regular attendance is 1%.
Might want to change its name to something like Church of Old, Habit-Driven, Traditionalist England With Nothing Better To Do On A Sunday.
Mocking the CoE is a silly thing to do because any replacement will be more extreme because the CoE is such a liberal church.
The chief purpose of the CoE is avoiding religion in the nation conversation. Replacing it with a liking for steam trains, weak tea and vague niceness.
Get rid of the CoE and you’ll get people banging on about Sky Faries, more.
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
Well I'm if the right but at no point ha e I thrown my hat in with Trump. Even if I agreed with his stance (and there are small subsets of it that I do among the large amounts that I don't) I can't see how his presidency brings about a UK which is any less left wing.
The idea that the consumer foots the whole bill for them is far too simplistic though.
Who pays the tax on petrol? Saudi Aramco or British drivers?
Now, will there be multiple impacts? Sure.
In particular, assuming no one else retaliates, then the impact will be mostly to cause the US dollar to appreciate slightly, and for product to spend slightly longer going around the world. (Buy Norwegian shipping companies.)
Do MFN rules restrict what Trump can do in singling out countries for tariffs?
Again, do you think Trump cares? He can just do whatever he wants due to American economic and military might.
He can try to do it because he's Trump. It might work because the US is big. but while it's big, it's not overbearingly hegemonic. It's the largest economic and military power on earth but it still can't take everyone else on at once and expect to win.
For a secular nation they don't have toady to God. Seems all very foreign.
Secular nation? There might be separation of church and state in theory, but they're way more religious than us in reality.
Regular church attendance in the US has declined from 42% in 2003 to 30% in 2023.
And it's about 5% here, so the point stands.
Church of England regular attendance is 1%.
Might want to change its name to something like Church of Old, Habit-Driven, Traditionalist England With Nothing Better To Do On A Sunday.
Mocking the CoE is a silly thing to do because any replacement will be more extreme because the CoE is such a liberal church.
The chief purpose of the CoE is avoiding religion in the nation conversation. Replacing it with a liking for steam trains, weak tea and vague niceness.
Get rid of the CoE and you’ll get people banging on about Sky Faries, more.
You missed out real ale and Test Match Cricket, which the Arch Bishop takes an oath to defend, I think.
My new column: The Bidens can’t get over Pelosi’s (crucial and needed) intervention last summer
And 1 Pelosi has had enough
“If I was Lady McBiden, I’d put on my big girl pants, play the long game and think about my husband’s legacy. There aren’t that many people left in America who have something nice to say about Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi is one of them.”
The rumour is he is going to be sworn in on a special edition Trump Bible! I really hope that turns out to be true. The fact he knows his base are all total suckers is his most appealing point.
I understand it is the bible given to him by his Mother in 1955
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
The idea that the consumer foots the whole bill for them is far too simplistic though.
Who pays the tax on petrol? Saudi Aramco or British drivers?
Now, will there be multiple impacts? Sure.
In particular, assuming no one else retaliates, then the impact will be mostly to cause the US dollar to appreciate slightly, and for product to spend slightly longer going around the world. (Buy Norwegian shipping companies.)
Do MFN rules restrict what Trump can do in singling out countries for tariffs?
Again, do you think Trump cares? He can just do whatever he wants due to American economic and military might.
He can try to do it because he's Trump. It might work because the US is big. but while it's big, it's not overbearingly hegemonic. It's the largest economic and military power on earth but it still can't take everyone else on at once and expect to win.
In a purely economic, rather than military, contest without the West at its back, it might find it gets humbled quicker than it thinks.
For a secular nation they don't have toady to God. Seems all very foreign.
Secular nation? There might be separation of church and state in theory, but they're way more religious than us in reality.
Regular church attendance in the US has declined from 42% in 2003 to 30% in 2023.
And it's about 5% here, so the point stands.
Church of England regular attendance is 1%.
Might want to change its name to something like Church of Old, Habit-Driven, Traditionalist England With Nothing Better To Do On A Sunday.
Mocking the CoE is a silly thing to do because any replacement will be more extreme because the CoE is such a liberal church.
It's hardly liberal compared to mainstream European protestant churches
Most of Europe is Roman Catholic or Orthodox which are certainly more conservative than the C of E, even if Lutherans and Methodists and Church of Scotland (but not Free Church of Scotland) are more liberal even than C of E.
Fastest growing Protestant churches globally though are Pentecostal, Independent Evangelical and to a lesser extent Baptist all of which are more conservative than the C of E too
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Thoughtful right wingers really ought to be having a collective breakdown as well. This guy is your global standard bearer- are these really your standards?
As the line in the movie goes, Do you still think you can control them?
I think it all depends on just how this plays out
It may just be rhetoric but certainly it is a huge move to the right and how it impacts politics across the globe remains to be seen
But Big G. the move isn't towards a One Nation Conservatism it's towards the Tommy Robinson's right. I am surprised you are so sanguine.
Frankly, nobody knows how this will pan out for better or worse so let's see
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
No, I see him as a US President with whom the UK right is utterly besotted. And that will have significant implications for UK politics.
For a secular nation they don't have toady to God. Seems all very foreign.
Secular nation? There might be separation of church and state in theory, but they're way more religious than us in reality.
Regular church attendance in the US has declined from 42% in 2003 to 30% in 2023.
And it's about 5% here, so the point stands.
Church of England regular attendance is 1%.
Might want to change its name to something like Church of Old, Habit-Driven, Traditionalist England With Nothing Better To Do On A Sunday.
Mocking the CoE is a silly thing to do because any replacement will be more extreme because the CoE is such a liberal church.
The chief purpose of the CoE is avoiding religion in the nation conversation. Replacing it with a liking for steam trains, weak tea and vague niceness.
Get rid of the CoE and you’ll get people banging on about Sky Faries, more.
You missed out real ale and Test Match Cricket, which the Arch Bishop takes an oath to defend, I think.
He may - I emphasise may - have slipped in a Martin Luther King reference. When Trump said "From this day on, the United States of America will be a free, sovereign and independent nation" he may have summarized the words of King's speech, either from King's speech in Ghana ("We are a free and sovereign people") or from his sermon in St Paul's ("We are now a free and independent nation", based on the Declaration of Independence?). Given it's MLK day, it would be a nice - if unconscious - reference.
He may - I emphasise may - have slipped in a Martin Luther King reference. When Trump said "From this day on, the United States of America will be a free, sovereign and independent nation" he may have summarized the words of King's speech, either from King's speech in Ghana ("We are a free and sovereign people") or from his sermon in St Paul's ("We are now a free and independent nation", based on the Declaration of Independence?). Given it's MLK day, it would be a nice - if unconscious - reference.
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
No, I see him as a US President with whom the UK right is utterly besotted. And that will have significant implications for UK politics.
You really don't understand the UK right, do you? "Besotted"???
He may - I emphasise may - have slipped in a Martin Luther King reference. When Trump said "From this day on, the United States of America will be a free, sovereign and independent nation" he may have summarized the words of King's speech, either from King's speech in Ghana ("We are a free and sovereign people") or from his sermon in St Paul's ("We are now a free and independent nation", based on the Declaration of Independence?). Given it's MLK day, it would be a nice - if unconscious - reference.
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
No, I see him as a US President with whom the UK right is utterly besotted. And that will have significant implications for UK politics.
You really don't understand the UK right, do you? "Besotted"???
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Thoughtful right wingers really ought to be having a collective breakdown as well. This guy is your global standard bearer- are these really your standards?
As the line in the movie goes, Do you still think you can control them?
I think it all depends on just how this plays out
It may just be rhetoric but certainly it is a huge move to the right and how it impacts politics across the globe remains to be seen
It’s amazing how we don’t talk about this more. The entire western world is moving very sharply to the right - even hard right
But when did we last see such a vibe shift? The 1960s? The end of WW2?
This is epochal stuff but we act like it’s normal. Starmer’s Britain under Labour is looking like a massive outlier - deeply exposed - and doomed
The 1980s with Thatcher, Reagan, Kohl, Mulroney etc (the 1960s and 1990s were more a shift to the centre left and liberals in the western world) though now the shift is more to the cultural right with Trump, Farage, Poilievre, Le Pen, Meloni, Dutton etc than the economic right.
By the end of this year Starmer may be the only centre left leader left in a G7 nation assuming Scholz loses in Germany and Trudeau's Liberal successor loses in Canada. Albanese is only a 50% chance to be re elected for Labor in Australia too and Spain's Socialist PM likely loses in 2027.
Macron will still be there but he is more economically centre right than centre left even if socially relatively liberal
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Thoughtful right wingers really ought to be having a collective breakdown as well. This guy is your global standard bearer- are these really your standards?
As the line in the movie goes, Do you still think you can control them?
I think it all depends on just how this plays out
It may just be rhetoric but certainly it is a huge move to the right and how it impacts politics across the globe remains to be seen
But Big G. the move isn't towards a One Nation Conservatism it's towards the Tommy Robinson's right. I am surprised you are so sanguine.
Frankly, nobody knows how this will pan out for better or worse so let's see
It already looks pretty alarming to me, and we haven't seen his tariff narrative yet.
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
No, I see him as a US President with whom the UK right is utterly besotted. And that will have significant implications for UK politics.
You really don't understand the UK right, do you? "Besotted"???
Nigel, Suella and Liz been expelled from the UK right have they?
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
I will be spending the next four years, God willing, enjoying time with my dear wife and family and politics comes a long way behind
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
No, I see him as a US President with whom the UK right is utterly besotted. And that will have significant implications for UK politics.
You really don't understand the UK right, do you? "Besotted"???
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
No, I see him as a US President with whom the UK right is utterly besotted. And that will have significant implications for UK politics.
You really don't understand the UK right, do you? "Besotted"???
Nigel, Suella and Liz been expelled from the UK right have they?
Three people are the whole of the UK right, are they?
The rumour is he is going to be sworn in on a special edition Trump Bible! I really hope that turns out to be true. The fact he knows his base are all total suckers is his most appealing point.
I understand it is the bible given to him by his Mother in 1955
Not opened in 70 years obviously.
A family heirloom used to furtively secrete a handy sidearm during times of prohibition?
The rumour is he is going to be sworn in on a special edition Trump Bible! I really hope that turns out to be true. The fact he knows his base are all total suckers is his most appealing point.
I understand it is the bible given to him by his Mother in 1955
Not opened in 70 years obviously.
Well I can't become President, not just not being a native born American but our Family Bible, a Brownian Edition of the early 19th C is 2 ft x 18 ins x 6 ins and certainly too heavy for anyone to hold even with two hands for more than a few seconds. But it is a nice book. Yes, I know there are a lot of Family Bibles around, but they are good things to have even from the Areligious like all of my family.
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
No, I see him as a US President with whom the UK right is utterly besotted. And that will have significant implications for UK politics.
You really don't understand the UK right, do you? "Besotted"???
Nigel, Suella and Liz been expelled from the UK right have they?
Three people are the whole of the UK right, are they?
They have their followers. I believe a couple of them even managed to get elected.
He may - I emphasise may - have slipped in a Martin Luther King reference. When Trump said "From this day on, the United States of America will be a free, sovereign and independent nation" he may have summarized the words of King's speech, either from King's speech in Ghana ("We are a free and sovereign people") or from his sermon in St Paul's ("We are now a free and independent nation", based on the Declaration of Independence?). Given it's MLK day, it would be a nice - if unconscious - reference.
Designating the drug cartels as "foreign terrorist organisations" - anyone have a feel for how consequential that is?
Clear and Present Danger by Tom Clancy.
Probably his most best book - the film rewrote the story stupidly.
In the book, the President declares the Colombian drug cartel (supposed to be Medellin, give the time, but not named) as a threat to the US. The use of the military goes slowly wrong. It’s not (largely) due to overt evil - people do X, which seems reasonable to them. Which causes Y. Then someone does Z.
Subsequent reality has made the 'corrupt wrong-un' President in that seem very tame and mild mannered. It was probably quite a naive portrayal even in the halcyon days of the 90s though.
I watched the Inauguration on BBC1 from 3.30. It was quite interesting celeb spotting but was too drawn out, I started listening to the Trump speech but gave up after a few minutes, He is such a boring speaker - would never get a lecturing job!
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
No, I see him as a US President with whom the UK right is utterly besotted. And that will have significant implications for UK politics.
No, this is daft. You have committed an uncharacteristic fallacy: I don't like x; I don't like y; therefore x = y. I see no more evidence in here or elsewhere of the right being besotted with Trump than of the left being besotted with Putin.
RIP British Foreign Policy 1940-2024. You had a good run.
This is the point. "America first" on steroids means that America is not our friend and we should act as such. The other alternative is that we capitulate and simply join the United States.
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
No, I see him as a US President with whom the UK right is utterly besotted. And that will have significant implications for UK politics.
You really don't understand the UK right, do you? "Besotted"???
Nigel, Suella and Liz been expelled from the UK right have they?
Three people are the whole of the UK right, are they?
They have their followers. I believe a couple of them even managed to get elected.
Shadow foreign secretary Priti Patel was on TV last night arguing that the Tories have a far closer relationship and far greater agreement with the Trump-controlled Republicans than Reform. In the Daily Express she described Trump as an ally!
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
No, I see him as a US President with whom the UK right is utterly besotted. And that will have significant implications for UK politics.
You really don't understand the UK right, do you? "Besotted"???
Nigel, Suella and Liz been expelled from the UK right have they?
Three people are the whole of the UK right, are they?
They have their followers. I believe a couple of them even managed to get elected.
So does Jeremy Corbyn, with whom by logical extension "the UK left" is "utterly besotted".
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
No, I see him as a US President with whom the UK right is utterly besotted. And that will have significant implications for UK politics.
No, this is daft. You have committed an uncharacteristic fallacy: I don't like x; I don't like y; therefore x = y. I see no more evidence in here or elsewhere of the right being besotted with Trump than of the left being besotted with Putin.
@SouthamObserver is ignoring the secular shift to the right across the west. Trump is merely the most notable example
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
No, I see him as a US President with whom the UK right is utterly besotted. And that will have significant implications for UK politics.
It's one of things that distinguishes Reform voters from all other voters, and why adding Tory + Reform is wrong. On culture war stuff, the current crop of Conservative voters are far closer to Labour.
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
No, I see him as a US President with whom the UK right is utterly besotted. And that will have significant implications for UK politics.
No, this is daft. You have committed an uncharacteristic fallacy: I don't like x; I don't like y; therefore x = y. I see no more evidence in here or elsewhere of the right being besotted with Trump than of the left being besotted with Putin.
Trump was -22 favourable amongst Tories in the last poll I can find from about a week ago. The claim is absurd.
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
No, I see him as a US President with whom the UK right is utterly besotted. And that will have significant implications for UK politics.
You really don't understand the UK right, do you? "Besotted"???
Nigel, Suella and Liz been expelled from the UK right have they?
Three people are the whole of the UK right, are they?
They have their followers. I believe a couple of them even managed to get elected.
Shadow foreign secretary Priti Patel was on TV last night arguing that the Tories have a far closer relationship and far greater agreement with the Trump-controlled Republicans than Reform. In the Daily Express she described Trump as an ally!
He's the President of the USA. If you expect the British state to treat him like the leader of Nazi Germany you will be very disappointed.
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
No, I see him as a US President with whom the UK right is utterly besotted. And that will have significant implications for UK politics.
You really don't understand the UK right, do you? "Besotted"???
Nigel, Suella and Liz been expelled from the UK right have they?
Three people are the whole of the UK right, are they?
They have their followers. I believe a couple of them even managed to get elected.
So does Jeremy Corbyn, with whom by logical extension "the UK left" is "utterly besotted".
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
No, I see him as a US President with whom the UK right is utterly besotted. And that will have significant implications for UK politics.
It's one of things that distinguishes Reform voters from all other voters, and why adding Tory + Reform is wrong. On culture war stuff, the current crop of Conservative voters are far closer to Labour.
"Very happy about Trump election victory"
Labour 5% Lib Dem 5% Conservative 10%
Reform 38%
Yep - Tory voters are far more circumspect. That's why it's such a surprise to see Tory MPs and shadow ministers so effusive and keen. Too much time online and reading the right wing press, I guess.
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
No, I see him as a US President with whom the UK right is utterly besotted. And that will have significant implications for UK politics.
It's one of things that distinguishes Reform voters from all other voters, and why adding Tory + Reform is wrong. On culture war stuff, the current crop of Conservative voters are far closer to Labour.
"Very happy about Trump election victory"
Labour 5% Lib Dem 5% Conservative 10%
Reform 38%
Even on those numbers, embracing anti-Trumpism could push a sizeable number of Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative voters to Reform.
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
No, I see him as a US President with whom the UK right is utterly besotted. And that will have significant implications for UK politics.
It's one of things that distinguishes Reform voters from all other voters, and why adding Tory + Reform is wrong. On culture war stuff, the current crop of Conservative voters are far closer to Labour.
"Very happy about Trump election victory"
Labour 5% Lib Dem 5% Conservative 10%
Reform 38%
Yep - Tory voters are far more circumspect. That's why it's such a surprise to see Tory MPs and shadow ministers so effusive and keen. Too much time online and reading the right wing press, I guess.
That's the other distinguishing factor - the "very online" are far more likely to be Reform voters, and that's why PB/Facebook/Reform are dominated by that particular version of right-of-centre voters.
They are in a sub-bubble, where they know they don't represent everyone but do think they represent everyone on the right.
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
No, I see him as a US President with whom the UK right is utterly besotted. And that will have significant implications for UK politics.
You really don't understand the UK right, do you? "Besotted"???
Nigel, Suella and Liz been expelled from the UK right have they?
Three people are the whole of the UK right, are they?
They have their followers. I believe a couple of them even managed to get elected.
Shadow foreign secretary Priti Patel was on TV last night arguing that the Tories have a far closer relationship and far greater agreement with the Trump-controlled Republicans than Reform. In the Daily Express she described Trump as an ally!
He's the President of the USA. If you expect the British state to treat him like the leader of Nazi Germany you will be very disappointed.
I would be horrified if the British state did that. I am entirely unsurprised that Reform and the Conservative party are so keen on him.
The idea that the consumer foots the whole bill for them is far too simplistic though.
Who pays the tax on petrol? Saudi Aramco or British drivers?
Now, will there be multiple impacts? Sure.
In particular, assuming no one else retaliates, then the impact will be mostly to cause the US dollar to appreciate slightly, and for product to spend slightly longer going around the world. (Buy Norwegian shipping companies.)
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
No, I see him as a US President with whom the UK right is utterly besotted. And that will have significant implications for UK politics.
It's one of things that distinguishes Reform voters from all other voters, and why adding Tory + Reform is wrong. On culture war stuff, the current crop of Conservative voters are far closer to Labour.
"Very happy about Trump election victory"
Labour 5% Lib Dem 5% Conservative 10%
Reform 38%
Even on those numbers, embracing anti-Trumpism could push a sizeable number of Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative voters to Reform.
Works both ways surely: Reform embracing Trump could push a sizeable number of their voters towards other parties.
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
No, I see him as a US President with whom the UK right is utterly besotted. And that will have significant implications for UK politics.
No, this is daft. You have committed an uncharacteristic fallacy: I don't like x; I don't like y; therefore x = y. I see no more evidence in here or elsewhere of the right being besotted with Trump than of the left being besotted with Putin.
@SouthamObserver is ignoring the secular shift to the right across the west. Trump is merely the most notable example
The right is in the ascendent culturally, no doubt about that, and it's actually good to see some of the bollocks of the right on left being consigned to the rubbish bin. Economically, I am less sure. The new right seems to be very much up for the state. Even Reform has called for the renationalisation of the water companies.
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
No, I see him as a US President with whom the UK right is utterly besotted. And that will have significant implications for UK politics.
You really don't understand the UK right, do you? "Besotted"???
Nigel, Suella and Liz been expelled from the UK right have they?
Three people are the whole of the UK right, are they?
They have their followers. I believe a couple of them even managed to get elected.
So does Jeremy Corbyn, with whom by logical extension "the UK left" is "utterly besotted".
Hadn’t realised Corbyn was a US politician.
The flip-side of Musk spouting off on UK issues is that it becomes far easier for UK nutters to return the favour. For once I wish Corbyn the best of luck.
Designating the drug cartels as "foreign terrorist organisations" - anyone have a feel for how consequential that is?
Clear and Present Danger by Tom Clancy.
Probably his most best book - the film rewrote the story stupidly.
In the book, the President declares the Colombian drug cartel (supposed to be Medellin, give the time, but not named) as a threat to the US. The use of the military goes slowly wrong. It’s not (largely) due to overt evil - people do X, which seems reasonable to them. Which causes Y. Then someone does Z.
Subsequent reality has made the 'corrupt wrong-un' President in that seem very tame and mild mannered. It was probably quite a naive portrayal even in the halcyon days of the 90s though.
The President: How dare you come in here and lecture me!
Jack Ryan: How dare *you*, sir!
The President: How dare you come into this office and bark at me like some little junkyard dog? I am the President of the United States!
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
No, I see him as a US President with whom the UK right is utterly besotted. And that will have significant implications for UK politics.
It's one of things that distinguishes Reform voters from all other voters, and why adding Tory + Reform is wrong. On culture war stuff, the current crop of Conservative voters are far closer to Labour.
"Very happy about Trump election victory"
Labour 5% Lib Dem 5% Conservative 10%
Reform 38%
Even on those numbers, embracing anti-Trumpism could push a sizeable number of Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative voters to Reform.
That's even more interesting maths. The total proportion of voters who are "very happy" that Trump won is 11% - half Reform's current polling (total happy is 20%).
Coming out against Trump bags you 57% (45% very unhappy). If you're a Tory and want to win some votes back from Labour and Lib Dem voters, you don't have a choice really.
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
No, I see him as a US President with whom the UK right is utterly besotted. And that will have significant implications for UK politics.
It's one of things that distinguishes Reform voters from all other voters, and why adding Tory + Reform is wrong. On culture war stuff, the current crop of Conservative voters are far closer to Labour.
"Very happy about Trump election victory"
Labour 5% Lib Dem 5% Conservative 10%
Reform 38%
Even on those numbers, embracing anti-Trumpism could push a sizeable number of Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative voters to Reform.
Works both ways surely: Reform embracing Trump could push a sizeable number of their voters towards other parties.
(Also: is one-in-twenty a sizeable number?)
The idea that Ed Davey saying nasty things about Trump might drive LibDem supporters to vote Reform is at least an original one.
Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago
I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
Well, Trump's your man Mr G. The UK right - Tory and Reform - has thrown its hat in with him. And you'll be spending the next four years blaming everyone but them for doing it.
It sounds like that you really want is for us to be part of America so that you can join with your Democratic brethren in fighting the good fight against him. You don't see him as the leader of a foreign country but as a political opponent.
No, I see him as a US President with whom the UK right is utterly besotted. And that will have significant implications for UK politics.
No, this is daft. You have committed an uncharacteristic fallacy: I don't like x; I don't like y; therefore x = y. I see no more evidence in here or elsewhere of the right being besotted with Trump than of the left being besotted with Putin.
Johnson, Truss, Braverman, Farage and Patel were all at the inauguration.
Not all the right are besotted with Trump of course, but many are.
And Farage seemed quite keen on Putin as well at one point.
Basically, the USA is now two mafia gangs who occasionally slot each other, and who look after their own
If that's your take, your have lost the plot. It's pretty clear to most sensible people which side is the crooked one.
Just saying that doesn't make it true, I'm afraid. Especially when it flies in the face of the evidence
It's oddly like Rachel Reeves believing that if she says "growth" enough, then "growth" will magically appear, like she is casting spells on the economy
She believed her own propaganda about the fact it was only the Tories holding Britain back.
Just wait for the shock when they go to the EU for a "better deal" and come back with a Mauritius.
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It may just be rhetoric but certainly it is a huge move to the right and how it impacts politics across the globe remains to be seen
Now, will there be multiple impacts? Sure.
In particular, assuming no one else retaliates, then the impact will be mostly to cause the US dollar to appreciate slightly, and for product to spend slightly longer going around the world. (Buy Norwegian shipping companies.)
See my video on bilateral trade balances: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kDJDOLkQAs
This time around he seems to be doing the stupid shit he said he would do.
https://x.com/LewisHamilton/status/1881300328592949476
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/20/southport-murder-trial/
I propose some reforms - how about a transfer of power that involves getting punted in a municipal leisure centre in the wee small hours?
But when did we last see such a vibe shift? The 1960s? The end of WW2?
This is epochal stuff but we act like it’s normal. Starmer’s Britain under Labour is looking like a massive outlier - deeply exposed - and doomed
Get rid of the CoE and you’ll get people banging on about Sky Faries, more.
Even if I agreed with his stance (and there are small subsets of it that I do among the large amounts that I don't) I can't see how his presidency brings about a UK which is any less left wing.
I think we need to factor in whether rcs1000 or TSE are around....
My new column: The Bidens can’t get over Pelosi’s (crucial and needed) intervention last summer
And 1 Pelosi has had enough
“If I was Lady McBiden, I’d put on my big girl pants, play the long game and think about my husband’s legacy. There aren’t that many people left in America who have something nice to say about Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi is one of them.”
https://politico.com/news/magazine/2025/01/19/lady-mcbiden-alexandra-pelosi-first-lady-00199164
Fastest growing Protestant churches globally though are Pentecostal, Independent Evangelical and to a lesser extent Baptist all of which are more conservative than the C of E too
https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/publications/autobiography-martin-luther-king-jr/chapter-11-birth-new-nation
https://www.chr.org.uk/anddidthosefeet/martin-luther-king-visits-st-pauls-cathedral-december-6th-1984/
By the end of this year Starmer may be the only centre left leader left in a G7 nation assuming Scholz loses in Germany and Trudeau's Liberal successor loses in Canada. Albanese is only a 50% chance to be re elected for Labor in Australia too and Spain's Socialist PM likely loses in 2027.
Macron will still be there but he is more economically centre right than centre left even if socially relatively liberal
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alabama-mississippi-robert-e-lee-martin-luther-king-day/
I've got to say that the whole damn speech was absolutely ridiculous, and the journalists already sanewashing this claptrap should be ashamed.
I hope Betfair list a similar market and with that latter option separated out.
"Very happy about Trump election victory"
Labour 5%
Lib Dem 5%
Conservative 10%
Reform 38%
They are in a sub-bubble, where they know they don't represent everyone but do think they represent everyone on the right.
(Also: is one-in-twenty a sizeable number?)
Jack Ryan: How dare *you*, sir!
The President: How dare you come into this office and bark at me like some little junkyard dog? I am the President of the United States!
Coming out against Trump bags you 57% (45% very unhappy). If you're a Tory and want to win some votes back from Labour and Lib Dem voters, you don't have a choice really.
Still, not my worst bet.
No, the Hawaiian has nothing to do with Italy. But yes, it is delicious
Josh Barrie"
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/josh-barrie-the-hate-for-ham-and-pineapple-pizza-is-pure-snobbery/
Not all the right are besotted with Trump of course, but many are.
And Farage seemed quite keen on Putin as well at one point.
Just wait for the shock when they go to the EU for a "better deal" and come back with a Mauritius.