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  • eekeek Posts: 29,539
    edited December 2024
    Sandpit said:

    Used EV6 is a good buy, still well under warranty and with significant depreciation over a new one.
    A 3 year old Kia or Hyundai EV is a safe second hand purchase - I wouldn’t touch a 3 year old VW or Mercedes one

    MG don’t seem to have fixed problems on some year old ones so definitely don’t buy a second hand one of them
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,085
    eek said:

    A 3 year old Kia or Hyundai EV is a safe second hand purchase - I wouldn’t touch a 3 year old VW or Mercedes one

    MG don’t seem to have fixed problems on some year old ones so definitely don’t buy a second hand one of them
    Avoid diesels that need ad-blu too lol.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,539
    Pulpstar said:

    Avoid diesels that need ad-blu too lol.
    Already discovered that problem with the car we have twin b - hopefully the new adblue heater will work for the next x years
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,401
    algarkirk said:

    Isn't an automatic something Americans drive, on the wrong side of the road. Could an expert tell me what they are?
    Things have moved on a little since yesterday and it looks as though I might have a licence again soon. However it will ONLY be for an automatic car.
    Or, perchance, an EV.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited December 2024

    Schools are slowly turning into the National Babysitting Service so mum can get back to work, with breakfast clubs and after-school clubs tacked onto each end of the day. Babysitting and too often nappy-changing!

    The babysitting service means there is no chance of following our Scandinavian friends and starting school at 6 or 7 years old. (6 or 7 o'clock maybe!)
    Oh, and we’re back to the Housing Theory of Everything.

    The UK needs about 5m more houses.
  • Pro_Rata said:

    The counter counter argument is that 34% is not that bad in modern European legislative elections, exceeding the vote share any other party in Western Europe apart from the stubbornly duopolistic Maltese government and opposition.

    (As you go east, there are sloghtly more examples, for example in Poland and Greece).

    But, by that score, I'd note 24% is not as apocalyptic for the Tories as it would have been 25 years ago.
    It's not just a quarter of a century ago though. In the week before the 2024 election was called, Labour polled 43-48% (and the Tories 20-27%). Pre-partygate, both main parties were trading in the high-thirties. A year earlier, they were tied at around 40.

    Now, we can say that some of that was an unusually large two-party share (as was the 2019 election), and that ever since 2012 the old three-party (plus nationalists in Wales / Scotland) had broken down and vote share become more dispersed, and that's true. 2019, despite the very concentrated results, saw volatility across the year as a whole that was unprecedented since at least 1981/2 and probably since 1931 or even 1918-24.

    Anyway, 24% is borderline apocalyptic for both main parties. The Tories ending on their lowest ever number of MPs, in more than 200 years as a party, tells its own story - but it was perilously close to being an awful lot worse still.
  • eek said:

    A 3 year old Kia or Hyundai EV is a safe second hand purchase - I wouldn’t touch a 3 year old VW or Mercedes one

    MG don’t seem to have fixed problems on some year old ones so definitely don’t buy a second hand one of them
    How the mighty have fallen.

    No wonder that the German public can't get over it, and I still can't quite believe how those firms allowed this situation to arise. Germany is always brilliant at long-term planning.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,203
    edited December 2024
    I saw TSE's post at the start of the thread about his inauspicious start to the weekend

    I realised I didn't know the etymology of 'auspicious', so decided to look it up. I've got the day off today, and I know how to have fun

    It's from the Latin 'auspicium' (augury), itself derived from 'auspex' (augur)

    An augur was a diviner who foretold events by the behaviour of birds

    Then everyone starts talking about birds: crows, ravens, rooks and even a black swan

    And the thread's about Kemi, who would have been called a black bird in the nineties
  • Pro_Rata said:

    I see the red alert doesn't quite get to Big_G beyond the Menai, but the inclusion of Somerset Levels in the red area and specific commentary on 'funneling through the Bristol Channel' looks to be a concern. High tide tomorrow (at Weston-SM) is around 10.30am, towards the end of the warning window.

    We have received the red warning and Llandudno have cancelled the Christmas parade tomorrow
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,116
    Cookie said:

    What we're seeing with four and five year olds is the after-effects of lockdown. It's been the case for two or three years. "Not ready for school" is in many cases a euphemism for not actually toilet trained/not really able to speak understandably/entirely feral. So many babies and very small children were basically parked in front of a screen while parents worked. Middle class parents like me and many other posters here had in most cases understanding and flexible employers - this wasn't true of everyone. And even middle class neighbourhoods have seen a massive increase in the number of "Not ready for school" children arriving in reception, and in the amount of SEN that need to be accommodated - in less comfortable areas it is endemic.

    The hard work - and it is hard work, and not something you can do in the background while you whf - of turning children from babies to children was, our of necessity, postponed. Obviously we're out the other side now, but there's a lot of catching up to do and a lot of rowing back to what the old normal was. Hopefully however we're past the peak of this and the next cohort will be a little more normal.

    All cohorts suffered, but the preschool cohort suffered more than most. But they don't have votes, or indeed much of a voice at all.
    It may have been made worse by lockdown, but it's been an issue for much longer;

    As an example, from 2017:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-41160919
    Or 2014:
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/half-of-all-five-year-olds-are-not-ready-for-school-research-shows-9749490.html
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,432
    algarkirk said:

    Is it entirely in vain to suggest that getting 4 year olds ready to start school is a matter for parents?

    As there is loads more nursery provision for pre school than there once was, this combined with parents doing their job of bringing up children seems to me the only answer. What on earth is an education minister supposed to do? Take them all into care? Mary Poppins for every home?
    Its on the parents. Our son has three days of nursery a week which is brilliant for him, plus two days with mum, and then both of us at the weekend. Nursery has helped for socialisation, but he also has always gone to mum and baby groups (sign language is a favourite) which helps mum and baby at the same time. Now we can afford this, and not everyone can, so things like surestart ought to be encouraged, but at heart if your kid never sees books, isn't toilet trained etc by the time they head to school, the parents have failed.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477

    Urrm, I can't remember that. I have mentioned the trial banks (1) in the Wash (and I've walked to one...), and there are 'recent' drainage rivers in the area (2). But I can't think of any significant proposed ones.

    (1): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Trial_Bank
    (2): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cut-off_Channel
    Thanks! Yes it was definitely something to do with the cut off channel I think. Must have been someone else enthusing about it.
  • Sky weather predicting 90 mph winds in red warning areas for tomorrow
  • Sky weather predicting 90 mph winds in red warning areas for tomorrow

    Northerners, you’ll need your big coat, everyone else, shelter in place.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,698

    It may have been made worse by lockdown, but it's been an issue for much longer;

    As an example, from 2017:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-41160919
    Or 2014:
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/half-of-all-five-year-olds-are-not-ready-for-school-research-shows-9749490.html
    Mm, not saying it wasn't an issue to be worried about before. But lockdown turned it from a one-in-a-class incident to a 5-to-10 -in-a-class incident. As I say, hopefully we're now getting to the other side of that.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited December 2024
    Pulpstar said:

    Do we think that'll pass 3rd reading ?

    I can see Farage switching his vote, but I assume enough others will stick with it for it to pass.
    I suspect that the committee stage will be very contentious, to the point that the Bill could be dropped, as is often the case with Private Members’ Bills.

    There are three other options:

    1. Lord Alli’s friends in Parliament make themselves known and pressgang others into supporting the Bill

    2. The opponents of the Bill manage to talk it out, relying on the supporters being unwilling to actually debate the morally sensitive issues at stake.

    3. This is the start of a massive and very slippery slope.

    Personally I’d be in Group 3 with most of the rest of the Christians, noting that the proponents of the Abortion Act 1967 would be appalled at the suggestion that there would now be a quarter of a million abortions every year in the UK.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,955
    Nigelb said:

    "Fathers" don't usually kill a significant proportion of their children.

    Though there have been some autocrats who were also dads.
    Oh I didn't say it was good, just that it was difficult to read. I was trying to work out how early communism evolved, and how it "worked". Societies organise themselves in different ways and the attempt of the Soviets to abolish the large state and replace it with groups of smaller soviets...just didn't work, and the only time it was tolerable was when it was abandoned (eg Lenin's NEPmen). As we are now moving from a society based on the nation-state and rule-of-law to one based on mob rule allied to various billionaires, I thought it was worth looking into. All it did was scare me more. :(
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 739
    edited December 2024
    Oops - typo
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,116
    Cookie said:

    Mm, not saying it wasn't an issue to be worried about before. But lockdown turned it from a one-in-a-class incident to a 5-to-10 -in-a-class incident. As I say, hopefully we're now getting to the other side of that.
    That link from 2014 said it was nearly half of all five year olds back then. I don't want to downplay the effect lockdown had on many kids, but it's clear the underlying issues are elsewhere.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Northerners, you’ll need your big coat, everyone else, shelter in place.
    Perhaps I’ll shelter under the grandstand at the Grand Prix…
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,903
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    viewcode said:

    Oh I didn't say it was good, just that it was difficult to read. I was trying to work out how early communism evolved, and how it "worked". Societies organise themselves in different ways and the attempt of the Soviets to abolish the large state and replace it with groups of smaller soviets...just didn't work, and the only time it was tolerable was when it was abandoned (eg Lenin's NEPmen). As we are now moving from a society based on the nation-state and rule-of-law to one based on mob rule allied to various billionaires, I thought it was worth looking into. All it did was scare me more. :(
    I was just having a small dig at Dura's affectation.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,955
    Nigelb said:

    .

    I was just having a small dig at Dura's affectation.
    Dura's affectation is a rich and deep source. A small dig would not be sufficient, you'd need one of those opencast Australian diggers that are bigger than supertankers.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,903
    From a good thread on historical pet ownership.
    With an implicit rebuke to Leon.

    In the early modern period, the upper classes began to describe dogs in affectionate terms. Prussian King Frederick the Great was a proponent of dogs, and wrote on the death of his favorite dog:

    “I have had a domestic loss which has completely upset my philosophy. I confide all my frailties in you: I have lost Biche, and her death has reawoken in me the loss of all my friends, particularly of him who gave her to me. I was ashamed that a dog could so deeply affect my soul, but the sedentary life I lead and the faithfulness of this poor creature had so strongly attached me to her, her suffering so moved me, that I confess, I am sad and afflicted. Does one have to be hard? Must one be insensitive? I believe that anyone capable of indifference towards a faithful animal is unable to be grateful towards an equal, and that, if one must choose, it is best to be too sensitive than too hard.” 10/25

    https://x.com/KKriegeBlog/status/1864782891546480651
  • Northerners, you’ll need your big coat, everyone else, shelter in place.
    Eee, San, it's going to be well blowy up my wedge on the toon tonight.
  • viewcode said:

    @Cookie, @DecrepiterJohnL

    I note your remarks about child rearing. thE UK has developed a society which is dependent on communal child rearing, both parents working, and governments becoming ever larger and dependent on fictional production and fictional targets, with national statistics increasingly unreliable, everything either compulsory or forbidden...

    ...you do know this is a Soviet structure, yes?

    Communal child rearing with both parents working has, I think, been the norm thoughout most of human history. On the whole I feel it does a better job of socialising kids as well as being fairer on (usually) mum.
  • Here's the problem though.

    Even if parents ought to be capable of getting 4 year olds school-ready, it's pretty clear that plenty aren't. Doesn't matter what the reason is, though it's noteworthy that there are many more problems in left-behindland.

    That leaves the nation with an unpleasant choice. Step in while children are young, or step in when they are older, when the problems are going to be harder and more expensive to fix. Maybe that shouldn't be the choice, but it probably is.
    This issue is simple - spend money now, or spend more money later. In the age of austerity and "who will pay for this" we act as if cutting the service cuts the need. That the choice is spend £££ vs spend nothing.

    This isn't just crap economics, its crap basic knowledge of how society works.

    What Labour should do is bring back Sure Start. Spend money now to save more money later. Reactionary Tory types whine on about how that is an increase in spending. When its a reduction in spending.

    We need to change how we spend money. Planned spending is less than emergency spending.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,296
    edited December 2024
    Nigelb said:

    From a good thread on historical pet ownership.
    With an implicit rebuke to Leon.

    In the early modern period, the upper classes began to describe dogs in affectionate terms. Prussian King Frederick the Great was a proponent of dogs, and wrote on the death of his favorite dog:

    “I have had a domestic loss which has completely upset my philosophy. I confide all my frailties in you: I have lost Biche, and her death has reawoken in me the loss of all my friends, particularly of him who gave her to me. I was ashamed that a dog could so deeply affect my soul, but the sedentary life I lead and the faithfulness of this poor creature had so strongly attached me to her, her suffering so moved me, that I confess, I am sad and afflicted. Does one have to be hard? Must one be insensitive? I believe that anyone capable of indifference towards a faithful animal is unable to be grateful towards an equal, and that, if one must choose, it is best to be too sensitive than too hard.” 10/25

    https://x.com/KKriegeBlog/status/1864782891546480651

    He was right to be ashamed of his absurd sentimentality. It’s a fucking DOG - GET OVER IT
  • That link from 2014 said it was nearly half of all five year olds back then. I don't want to downplay the effect lockdown had on many kids, but it's clear the underlying issues are elsewhere.
    Nappies. Modern nappies are kinder to infants. They absorb liquids so there is no longer any feedback that would encourage early bladder control.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Syrian rebels now said to be be 10km from Homs.

    https://x.com/gerashchenko_en/status/1864973903917126114

    Russian-backed troops fleeing and leaving a lot of equipment behind.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477
    Leon said:

    He was right to be ashamed of his absurd sentimentality. It’s a fucking DOG - GET OVER IT
    One could say the same about a child - better not to coddle them, call your father Sir etc. But in most cases the theory does not survive reality.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,903
    Sounds like another round of leveraged debt and asset stripping is in the offing.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/dec/06/struggling-thames-water-receives-buyout-offer-from-covalis
    Embattled Thames Water has received a £5bn bid from Covalis Capital that would result in France’s Suez Group being brought in to manage a restructure of the UK’s largest water company.

    The infrastructure investor Covalis Capital has submitted a bid for Thames Water, which has been on the verge of collapse for several months as it struggles with a £19bn debt pile, according to the Financial Times.

    Covalis plans to provide about £1bn of the funds upfront and raise a further £4bn from sales of the struggling water company’s assets.

    The asset sales could reportedly include breaking up parts of the company, such as its operations in the Thames Valley, and then pursuing a stock market flotation of the restructured business.

    Under the plans, the UK government would retain a seat on the board and a “golden share”, which would give it certain rights to protect the provider of water and sewage services to 16 million customers across London and the Thames Valley...


    If they're getting in an outsider (Suez) to manage it for them, why can't the UK government just buy it and do the same ?
    I don't really see any economic advantage to this.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited December 2024
    eek said:

    A 3 year old Kia or Hyundai EV is a safe second hand purchase - I wouldn’t touch a 3 year old VW or Mercedes one

    MG don’t seem to have fixed problems on some year old ones so definitely don’t buy a second hand one of them
    The, umm, product lifecycle, requirements of Chinese EVs is going to be fun to enforce in future.

    The new EV-only car manufacturers, including Tesla, don’t see themselves as bound by regulations regarding support for outdated products.

    You want to buy it second-hand, but sell it with a year of warranty left.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,698
    Leon said:

    He was right to be ashamed of his absurd sentimentality. It’s a fucking DOG - GET OVER IT
    There are plenty of examples of cross-species friendships, and of animals being sad when other animals die. And it seems daft to admonish an animal for sentimentality. I don't think therefore we should berate Frederick the Great too hard either.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,296
    I am afraid to say, PB, that the Weird Drones Shit is happening again


    “Drone sightings reported over New Jersey, now FBI involved. Here's what we know so far”

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/12/04/drone-sightings-new-jersey/76762389007/

    https://x.com/ethicaltruther/status/1864771727818957067?s=46
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,116
    Sandpit said:

    Syrian rebels now said to be be 10km from Homs.

    https://x.com/gerashchenko_en/status/1864973903917126114

    Russian-backed troops fleeing and leaving a lot of equipment behind.

    And reports that there is rebellion in ?Daraa? in the very south, near the Jordanian border. (allegedly the rebels there previously did a deal with Assad whereby they would lay down their weapons).

    https://x.com/lummideast/status/1865001337798197549
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,903
    Leon said:

    He was right to be ashamed of his absurd sentimentality. It’s a fucking DOG - GET OVER IT
    He had your number.
  • F1: 10 place grid penalty for Leclerc.

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/breaking-leclerc-hit-with-10-place-grid-drop-for-abu-dhabi-gp-amid-tight.70UnJby2M4OTKrz3dcfZth

    Can be laid for top 3 in the race at 4.7 on Smarkets, currently.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    edited December 2024
    Leon said:

    I am afraid to say, PB, that the Weird Drones Shit is happening again


    “Drone sightings reported over New Jersey, now FBI involved. Here's what we know so far”

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/12/04/drone-sightings-new-jersey/76762389007/

    https://x.com/ethicaltruther/status/1864771727818957067?s=46

    Meh. They had drones in the Middle Ages. They're in the Icelandic sagas.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,903

    This issue is simple - spend money now, or spend more money later. In the age of austerity and "who will pay for this" we act as if cutting the service cuts the need. That the choice is spend £££ vs spend nothing.

    This isn't just crap economics, its crap basic knowledge of how society works.

    What Labour should do is bring back Sure Start. Spend money now to save more money later. Reactionary Tory types whine on about how that is an increase in spending. When its a reduction in spending.

    We need to change how we spend money. Planned spending is less than emergency spending.
    Government priorities have been, for some time now, preoccupied with the other end of the age spectrum.
    They still label it 'investment' - though the expected return is purely electoral, and the timeframe looks no further ahead than the next election.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,848
    edited December 2024
    Leon said:

    I am afraid to say, PB, that the Weird Drones Shit is happening again


    “Drone sightings reported over New Jersey, now FBI involved. Here's what we know so far”

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/12/04/drone-sightings-new-jersey/76762389007/

    https://x.com/ethicaltruther/status/1864771727818957067?s=46

    UFOs downgraded to UAPs downgraded to drones on the weird phenomena scale. Could be espionage; could be crime; most likely kids playing silly games.

    The danger will come when the nutters realise they don't need a rifle to kill their classmates, workmates and President, and send in drones instead.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,432
    Carnyx said:

    Meh. They had drones in the Middle Ages. They're in the Icelandic sagas.
    PB's leading fan of anything "exciting" points out something he hope is "exciting". PB shrugs.

    Never forget Gatwick and drones.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,955

    Communal child rearing with both parents working has, I think, been the norm thoughout most of human history. On the whole I feel it does a better job of socialising kids as well as being fairer on (usually) mum.
    I'm happy to believe you, but I'm not sure "communal child rearing" in, say, 1400 is the same as 2024. Did they have special child rooms/buildings for communal feeding and tending (wiping bottoms, telling off, etc)? I can see the mother feeding the child then telling them to go out and play, but that's not the same thing.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Cookie said:

    There are plenty of examples of cross-species friendships, and of animals being sad when other animals die. And it seems daft to admonish an animal for sentimentality. I don't think therefore we should berate Frederick the Great too hard either.
    Er, old Friedrich *was* an animal ...

    As for what Leon sees as undue sentimentality, there's a lot in the thought that domesticated dogs and other pets are part of the human condition. Humans are, after all, a result of the same process of domestication that created those pets.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,135
    There are more and more reports of locals taking over Syrian Army checkpoints and equipment in the south of Syria, while HTS advances from the north and SDF from the east. Also reports of Syrian Army units defecting.

    I think this is the end of Assad.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,116

    I'm not so sure about that.

    The thing about toilet training is that it's something that you have to actively do; it doesn't just happen by itself. I remember it well because it was one of the first jobs that I had after my wife died. Our son was 2 1/2 at the time, and I needed to make sure he was out of nappies by the time he started kindergarten (I lived in Germany at the time) on turning 3.

    It basically involves not putting a nappy on, making it clear to the child to let you know when they need to go, and being constantly on hand so you can respond quickly to get them on the loo and deal with any accidents. It doesn't take long - there was only one accident in my lad's case - but you do need to actually make the effort to do it, and it's best done in summer when there aren't so many clothes to take off.

    I guess many kids end up in nappies for a long time because their parents simply don't have or make time to get them out of them.
    Our son refused to use a potty. He hated using one, would kick and scream if we even tried. We therefore had to move directly from using nappies to using the toilet. Which wasn't much of a problem with hindsight (and he was just about ready before school), but felt a problem at the time.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Nigelb said:

    Government priorities have been, for some time now, preoccupied with the other end of the age spectrum.
    They still label it 'investment' - though the expected return is purely electoral, and the timeframe looks no further ahead than the next election.
    Entirely rational, given the current Tory and latest Labour target clientele, who will largely be as Norwegian Blue as the market for 1960s style Jaguars by the election after that.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    I'm not so sure about that.

    The thing about toilet training is that it's something that you have to actively do; it doesn't just happen by itself. I remember it well because it was one of the first jobs that I had after my wife died. Our son was 2 1/2 at the time, and I needed to make sure he was out of nappies by the time he started kindergarten (I lived in Germany at the time) on turning 3.

    It basically involves not putting a nappy on, making it clear to the child to let you know when they need to go, and being constantly on hand so you can respond quickly to get them on the loo and deal with any accidents. It doesn't take long - there was only one accident in my lad's case - but you do need to actually make the effort to do it, and it's best done in summer when there aren't so many clothes to take off.

    I guess many kids end up in nappies for a long time because their parents simply don't have or make time to get them out of them.
    Feck, another horribly sad story from a PBer with whom you’ve argued loads over the years.

    Best wishes to you and your family.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,200

    There are more and more reports of locals taking over Syrian Army checkpoints and equipment in the south of Syria, while HTS advances from the north and SDF from the east. Also reports of Syrian Army units defecting.

    I think this is the end of Assad.

    Yes, it is time for the picture of a spitfire and the carriage clock. Off he goes to wherever.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    PB's leading fan of anything "exciting" points out something he hope is "exciting". PB shrugs.

    Never forget Gatwick and drones.
    It seems that potty training is a far more attractive topic (and actually with some very interesting points being made).
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,916
    edited December 2024

    I'm not so sure about that.

    The thing about toilet training is that it's something that you have to actively do; it doesn't just happen by itself. I remember it well because it was one of the first jobs that I had after my wife died. Our son was 2 1/2 at the time, and I needed to make sure he was out of nappies by the time he started kindergarten (I lived in Germany at the time) on turning 3.

    It basically involves not putting a nappy on, making it clear to the child to let you know when they need to go, and being constantly on hand so you can respond quickly to get them on the loo and deal with any accidents. It doesn't take long - there was only one accident in my lad's case - but you do need to actually make the effort to do it, and it's best done in summer when there aren't so many clothes to take off.

    I guess many kids end up in nappies for a long time because their parents simply don't have or make time to get them out of them.
    Our children did not have nappies would you believe

    Terry towelling was used with a liner and you simply threw way the liner and washed and reused the towelling

    Our daughter was born with a clickerty hip and for two years she wore double towelling and a plastic brace

    I would venture to say far better than today's nappies which arrived just about the time of our 3rd though we still used the towelling
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,432

    Our son refused to use a potty. He hated using one, would kick and scream if we even tried. We therefore had to move directly from using nappies to using the toilet. Which wasn't much of a problem with hindsight (and he was just about ready before school), but felt a problem at the time.
    Our son had a week a month or so ago of using the potty before his night-time bath. But he's stopped that now. He's not yet two, but I am hoping for a switch soon away from nappies!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,085
    edited December 2024
    Sandpit said:

    Feck, another horribly sad story from a PBer with whom you’ve argued loads over the years.

    Best wishes to you and your family.
    Eh ?

    PB.com turning into Dadsnet

    Toilet training isn't a "horribly sad story" ?!
  • Leon said:

    I am afraid to say, PB, that the Weird Drones Shit is happening again


    “Drone sightings reported over New Jersey, now FBI involved. Here's what we know so far”

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/12/04/drone-sightings-new-jersey/76762389007/

    https://x.com/ethicaltruther/status/1864771727818957067?s=46

    Same still going at Lakenheath, where the U.S. is about to station. Nuclear weapons for the first time in 15 years.

    According to the unconfirmed reoort above, they can still operate in high winds.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Our children do not have nappies would you believe

    Terry towelling was used with a liner and you simply threw way the liner and washed and reused the towelling

    Our daughter was born with a clickerty hip and for two years she wore double towelling and a plastic brace

    I would venture to say far better than today's nappies
    I had to reread that first sentence twice before realising it was a typo.
  • Our son refused to use a potty. He hated using one, would kick and scream if we even tried. We therefore had to move directly from using nappies to using the toilet. Which wasn't much of a problem with hindsight (and he was just about ready before school), but felt a problem at the time.
    Yes, mine went straight from nappies to loo, with some help at the start. I can't say I particularly minded; a potty would have just been another thing to clean out.
  • Carnyx said:

    I had to reread that first sentence twice before realising it was a typo.
    Corrected - my fingers become more gnarled every day !!!!
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,374

    There are more and more reports of locals taking over Syrian Army checkpoints and equipment in the south of Syria, while HTS advances from the north and SDF from the east. Also reports of Syrian Army units defecting.

    I think this is the end of Assad.

    Probably not what Hamas intended 14 months ago.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,432

    Same still going at Lakenheath, where the U.S. is about to station. Nuclear weapons for the first time in 15 years.

    According to the unconfirmed reoort above, they can still operate in high winds.
    Get back to us when there is one shot down, or seen in daylight and properly photographed.

    Its not aliens folks.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Pulpstar said:

    Eh ?

    PB.com turning into Dadsnet

    Toilet training isn't a "horribly sad story" ?!
    Err, read the whole post carefully.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,085
    edited December 2024
    Putin's told Russians to get out of Syria. The rebels will probably be at the gates of Damascus in a fortnight. Looking over for Assad.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,085
    Sandpit said:

    Err, read the whole post carefully.
    Damn, yes I missed that bit. @FeersumEnjineeya so sorry for your loss.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,990

    And reports that there is rebellion in ?Daraa? in the very south, near the Jordanian border. (allegedly the rebels there previously did a deal with Assad whereby they would lay down their weapons).

    https://x.com/lummideast/status/1865001337798197549
    I see that @HYUFD ’s usual dismissive assertions that Assad and the Russians would crush the rebels within days was utter crap
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,296

    PB's leading fan of anything "exciting" points out something he hope is "exciting". PB shrugs.

    Never forget Gatwick and drones.
    I genuinely don’t understand this moronic attitude

    The USAF/RAF/FBI and several other powerful military/security organisations seem genuinely bewildered by these now-frequent and myriad phenomena

    The most parsimonious explanation - that they are all being fooled by kids with drones - is itself extremely interesting - as aberrant human psychology - and also disturbing. They’re meant to defend our skies!

    All the other explanations - psyops, Russians, Chinese, mass hallucinations, secret US tech, yes
    even aliens - only get more interesting

    I think you are so pathetically scared of looking like a fool/discovering something scary, you dismiss it all and turn away, as that is more comfortable
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,946
    This old bollocks came through on my Google feed.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/london-is-getting-worse/
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,842
    Space News

    https://spacenews.com/orbex-halts-work-on-own-spaceport-shifts-launches-to-saxavord/

    Some think this is Orbex abandoning small launch and trying to pivot to a medium class vehicle.
  • Our children did not have nappies would you believe

    Terry towelling was used with a liner and you simply threw way the liner and washed and reused the towelling

    Our daughter was born with a clickerty hip and for two years she wore double towelling and a plastic brace

    I would venture to say far better than today's nappies which arrived just about the time of our 3rd though we still used the towelling
    Still a thing (though probably trendy-woke coded these days). Worked fine for Thing One and Thing Two. The added benefit now is that they have worked out how to shape the towelling bit to fit nicely without unsightly bulges and use elasticated grippers to hold the whole thing in place. They were great.

    And whilst you can't ask the toddlers (they're toddlers after all), I suspect modern disposable nappy technology is a bit too effective and convenient for our collective good.
  • Nigelb said:

    "Fathers" don't usually kill a significant proportion of their children.

    Though there have been some autocrats who were also dads.
    And it is a recurring theme in Western myth.


  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477

    UFOs downgraded to UAPs downgraded to drones on the weird phenomena scale. Could be espionage; could be crime; most likely kids playing silly games.

    The danger will come when the nutters realise they don't need a rifle to kill their classmates, workmates and President, and send in drones instead.
    Sadly the kids in question appear to belong to the American state. I certainly don't think the Russians' tendrils reach as far as New Jersey. All this guff seems to be coming to a head before Trump gets in - a conspiracist would argue they want to precipitate some sort of national emergency to prevent his accession.

    It's clear as day they've kicked off Syria again before he gets in and questions why they're still there too. I pity the poor bastards living in that country.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,967

    It's not just a quarter of a century ago though. In the week before the 2024 election was called, Labour polled 43-48% (and the Tories 20-27%). Pre-partygate, both main parties were trading in the high-thirties. A year earlier, they were tied at around 40.

    Now, we can say that some of that was an unusually large two-party share (as was the 2019 election), and that ever since 2012 the old three-party (plus nationalists in Wales / Scotland) had broken down and vote share become more dispersed, and that's true. 2019, despite the very concentrated results, saw volatility across the year as a whole that was unprecedented since at least 1981/2 and probably since 1931 or even 1918-24.

    Anyway, 24% is borderline apocalyptic for both main parties. The Tories ending on their lowest ever number of MPs, in more than 200 years as a party, tells its own story - but it was perilously close to being an awful lot worse still.
    It’s a shame it wasn’t, really - including for them.

    The public wanted to teach the Tories a lesson, yet they don’t seem to have learned anything.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,296

    Get back to us when there is one shot down, or seen in daylight and properly photographed.

    Its not aliens folks.
    So give me an explanation, and then tell me why we shouldn’t be worried or interested
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Thanks, it was horrible, but a long time ago now. My little lad's now in his final year at uni, and I've been happily shacked up with my not-so-new partner for a fair while now. At the time I thought I could never be happy again, but time really does heal. You don't forget, but you learn to live again. And I was actully pretty chuffed about my toilet training success; it was a spark of light in the darkness at the time.
    Hey, glad to hear and best wishes for the future, even if we can sometimes disagree on today’s politics.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,116

    Probably not what Hamas intended 14 months ago.
    Or Putin when he launched his three-day SMO...

    This is a massive prestige failure for Putin, and perhaps an even larger geopolitical problem. Syria was useful to him for a number of reasons: politically, he could say he was Assad's saviour, keeping the Muslim hordes at bay (*). Militarily, it allowed him to train troops to fight, and his air force to bomb civilians. Geographically, it acted as a stepping stone for people and supplies, especially the money his people have been taking from Africa.

    All that might now be going, and he has made many enemies in the area. And I think he is pretty powerless to stop it - it seems clear the 'bomb everything!' approach suggested on here would not work, even if he had the aircraft.

    (*) Not all Muslim hordes, obviously, as the Chechens are really, really good Muslims that he really likes. It's the other Muslims he dislikes... ;)
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,842

    This old bollocks came through on my Google feed.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/london-is-getting-worse/

    The systematic destruction of London nightlife has been observed by many others, who aren't @SeanT

    Strangely, if you retract/refuse to give out late opening licenses, then there aren't many places open late.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,014

    If there is a glut of cheap second-hand EV cars in ~5 years that would be perfect timing for me.
    I'd want one before then. However, the thing with EVs is that new ones are improving fast, second hand ones will probably fall faster than ICE cars where improvements year by year are minor.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,432
    Leon said:

    I genuinely don’t understand this moronic attitude

    The USAF/RAF/FBI and several other powerful military/security organisations seem genuinely bewildered by these now-frequent and myriad phenomena

    The most parsimonious explanation - that they are all being fooled by kids with drones - is itself extremely interesting - as aberrant human psychology - and also disturbing. They’re meant to defend our skies!

    All the other explanations - psyops, Russians, Chinese, mass hallucinations, secret US tech, yes
    even aliens - only get more interesting

    I think you are so pathetically scared of looking like a fool/discovering something scary, you dismiss it all and turn away, as that is more comfortable
    Nope - the USAF/RAF/FBI etc put out media handling answers about shit.

    I've followed Fortean events for too long and I am far to cynical to believe the hype from grifters. The whole thing in the US around UAP's is just the latest in a long line of grift. Where are these so called incredible videos that were promised? Turns out all were explainable. Why don't the Elizondo's of this world just shove the evidence that they claim to have out there? Oh - because they are earning a good living by teasing about stuff and not actually releasing evidence (which almost certainly doesn't exist).

    I get that people want to believe. There is no-one who would be more delighted and astonished if aliens made contact or landed or whatever than me. Trust me on this. Its just that nothing we have even had presented as evidence amounts to anything.

    Have you considered the classic flap? Someone somewhere thinks they see something, a story starts and then others pick up the ball and run?

    Seriously, if you have never read "In Alien Heat" about the Warminster UFO flap in the 60s and 70s you should. From a social history of how these things start, grow and then ultimately die down it is superb.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477

    The systematic destruction of London nightlife has been observed by many others, who aren't @SeanT

    Strangely, if you retract/refuse to give out late opening licenses, then there aren't many places open late.
    Licences.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,296

    This old bollocks came through on my Google feed.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/london-is-getting-worse/

    Probably because that excellent and eloquent article has been the most-read on the Spectator site, all day
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,116

    Space News

    https://spacenews.com/orbex-halts-work-on-own-spaceport-shifts-launches-to-saxavord/

    Some think this is Orbex abandoning small launch and trying to pivot to a medium class vehicle.

    A shame; I quite like that area of Sutherland (*), and even though hellishly remote, still much more accessible than the northernmost of the Shetland Islands if we ever wanted to see a launch.

    (*) I'm always amused by the fact Sutherland means 'Southern land' despite being in the very north of the mainland. Because from the perspective of Orkney, it is south.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,296
    edited December 2024

    Nope - the USAF/RAF/FBI etc put out media handling answers about shit.

    I've followed Fortean events for too long and I am far to cynical to believe the hype from grifters. The whole thing in the US around UAP's is just the latest in a long line of grift. Where are these so called incredible videos that were promised? Turns out all were explainable. Why don't the Elizondo's of this world just shove the evidence that they claim to have out there? Oh - because they are earning a good living by teasing about stuff and not actually releasing evidence (which almost certainly doesn't exist).

    I get that people want to believe. There is no-one who would be more delighted and astonished if aliens made contact or landed or whatever than me. Trust me on this. Its just that nothing we have even had presented as evidence amounts to anything.

    Have you considered the classic flap? Someone somewhere thinks they see something, a story starts and then others pick up the ball and run?

    Seriously, if you have never read "In Alien Heat" about the Warminster UFO flap in the 60s and 70s you should. From a social history of how these things start, grow and then ultimately die down it is superb.
    So give me your explanation and tell me why we shouldn’t be worried or interested
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,116
    Leon said:

    Probably because that excellent and eloquent article has been the most-read on the Spectator site, all day
    I'm surprised the author knows what London is like, as he is always abroad... ;)
  • Leon said:

    Probably because that excellent and eloquent article has been the most-read on the Spectator site, all day
    Do multiple visits from Columbia count individually?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,432
    Leon said:

    So give me an explanation, and then tell me why we shouldn’t be worried or interested
    You can be interested if you want. I sense that you live for the dramatic and thus are WANTING a dramatic resolution. How about someone thought they saw something and now others are thinking they are seeing things (contagion). Or that after someone thought they saw something, some local idiots then started using drones for fun.

    I doubt very much its the Chinese or the Russians.

    I'd rule out aliens.

    People are, on the whole, terrible witnesses.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,116

    The systematic destruction of London nightlife has been observed by many others, who aren't @SeanT

    Strangely, if you retract/refuse to give out late opening licenses, then there aren't many places open late.
    Does it matter in the long run, if people are finding other ways to entertain themselves?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,842

    A shame; I quite like that area of Sutherland (*), and even though hellishly remote, still much more accessible than the northernmost of the Shetland Islands if we ever wanted to see a launch.

    (*) I'm always amused by the fact Sutherland means 'Southern land' despite being in the very north of the mainland. Because from the perspective of Orkney, it is south.
    More to the point - Orbex might well fold. The shakeout of the micro launcher market continues.
  • Romanian court annuls first round of election results
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,842

    Does it matter in the long run, if people are finding other ways to entertain themselves?
    Well, we went from the old system - pubs and few clubs, plus some bizarre illegal bars. To legalisation of late night venues.

    And now back to "Close at 11". The drivers for this are interesting - quite a bit is council tenants in Westminster (and other councils) social housing demanding no noise.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,946
    Leon said:

    Probably because that excellent and eloquent article has been the most-read on the Spectator site, all day
    I read it, there were some big words.

    The word is he might have posted on here a decade or two ago, but probably not. We don't have too many celebrities posting on PB. I wonder if he'll ever do Strictly or I'm a Celebrity.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,842
    edited December 2024

    Romanian court annuls first round of election results

    That's going to get fun...

    EDIT: do you have a link?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,296
    edited December 2024

    You can be interested if you want. I sense that you live for the dramatic and thus are WANTING a dramatic resolution. How about someone thought they saw something and now others are thinking they are seeing things (contagion). Or that after someone thought they saw something, some local idiots then started using drones for fun.

    I doubt very much its the Chinese or the Russians.

    I'd rule out aliens.

    People are, on the whole, terrible witnesses.
    I said give me your explanation and tell me why we shouldn’t be worried or interested

    Because you literally said this is “unexciting” and “PB shrugs”
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,492

    Romanian court annuls first round of election results

    Saving democracy by cancelling elections?
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