As conference season begins – politicalbetting.com
Party conference season is upon us, but only one in five Britons are likely to be paying attentionA lot: 2%A fair amount: 18%Not much: 42%None at all: 36%https://t.co/tl9AJ2ehZl pic.twitter.com/lM3SxGW0jS
A number of significant questions will be answered, at least in part, by the Conservative Party’s latest leadership contest. Chief among them is this: do the Tories wish to be the party of weird?
At present, the signs are not altogether encouraging. Robert Jenrick, still largely unknown as far as the general public is concerned but at present topping the ballot among his peers in the House of Commons, has embraced the weird.
If Jenrick were the only significant Tory to do so this might be of little concern but he is not. For, like Boris Johnson and Liz Truss, Jenrick has cheerfully endorsed Donald Trump’s campaign for the presidency of the United States. Perhaps he thinks this will help him with the pet owners’ vote but, regardless of any other considerations, Jenrick’s enthusiasm for Trump is a grim indication of how the wind is blowing in Tory circles.
All the finalists are from the South group, so have played each other in the competition before.
Surrey and Somerset in the first semi-final, their two matches both went with home advantage.
Sussex beat Gloucestershire both times in their group matches, although the one at Hove was tight and Gloucestershire could and should have won if they'd kept their heads.
Sussex only played Somerset once, losing at Taunton. Oddly, when at Hove Sussex lost to Surrey but absolutely thrashed them in the return fixture at the Oval.
Sussex, Somerset and Surrey are strong all-round sides having excellent seasons. Somerset beat Surrey earlier this week, so Surrey will be anxious to get their own back. None of them have any obvious weakness, although Sussex have dropped a few catches they shouldn't have.
Gloucestershire are capable on their day of beating absolutely anyone, having beaten Somerset handily in both matches they had, and played out a sensational tie with Surrey. Bowling is their stronger suit but Hammond is one of the best white ball batsmen in England (and would probably do a much better job for England than Will Jacks). If he gets going they could do well. But they are mercurial and prone to sudden collapses.
I wouldn't like to pick a favourite, although I suppose the sheer quality of Surrey justifies the 10/11 joint favourites with defending champions Somerset. They also have the advantage of playing first giving them a little more time to recover.
The value is probably in one of Sussex or Gloucestershire given that there's no one side that's been clearly dominant. Gloucestershire will be considered the outsiders and have I think the narrowest path to victory. But this could be an excellent day of cricket.
She'd be struck off here for that. Maybe in the US too?
As we know in the USA there is a split between Federal and State legal systems. Several of Trump's former lawyers have been struck off in various places eg Rudy Giuliani in New York. Others are in process (when I last heard) eg John Eastman, and Kenneth Chesebro.
A lot are in (slow) process. It works on suspension, investigation, hearing, action ... eventually (very eventually).
One of Trump's problems is that he has been using out of state lawyers eg in New York on a temporary basis who know little about the strange NY system, then they get something wrong (such as forgetting to ask for a jury trial or complaining on a non-valid basis), and he throws another tantrum.
I'm not sure how the Federal system regulates lawyer accreditation.
On this sporting theme, over to the horseracing and the final Classic race of the season, the St Leger will be run at Doncaster racecourse.
Even non-racing fans will know of the race from such aphorisms as Winter comes in on the tail of the last horse in the St Leger, or the stock market's Sell in May and go away; come back on St Leger day.
The St Leger is also the world's oldest Classic race. It was first run in 1776, an otherwise unremarkable year.
Last Night of the Proms, introduced by Katie Derham, who as a student answered phones for the tipping service run by fellow-student and professional punter, Patrick Veitch. At Cambridge it was either that or spying for Moscow.
I think the Tory conference will attract a lot of attention with the beauty parade featuring the final four leadership contenders.
We've been starved of decent horror movies since Hammer went belly up.
I still can't muster up any enthusiasm about it.
None.
Nor me
I’m quite intrigued myself. I’m going this year as I’m on a panel in a fringe event. First time I’ve been to a Tory conference. I’m expecting it to be very different from the Labour one last year which was heaving with lobbyists.
I think the Tory conference will attract a lot of attention with the beauty parade featuring the final four leadership contenders.
We've been starved of decent horror movies since Hammer went belly up.
I still can't muster up any enthusiasm about it.
None.
Nor me
I’m quite intrigued myself. I’m going this year as I’m on a panel in a fringe event. First time I’ve been to a Tory conference. I’m expecting it to be very different from the Labour one last year which was heaving with lobbyists.
I think the Tory conference will attract a lot of attention with the beauty parade featuring the final four leadership contenders.
We've been starved of decent horror movies since Hammer went belly up.
I still can't muster up any enthusiasm about it.
None.
Nor me
I’m quite intrigued myself. I’m going this year as I’m on a panel in a fringe event. First time I’ve been to a Tory conference. I’m expecting it to be very different from the Labour one last year which was heaving with lobbyists.
The shrewd lobbyists looking for a longer term grift will be up for it. Probably the same ones you met at last years Labour Conference.
Today's big issue - Asda workers up in arms at the shitness of the music they are forced to listen to while they work.
I'm with them here. I like music as much as the next man - but I like the music which is to my taste. I'd rather have no music than music I don't like. I wouldn't expect other shoppers to be gleeful about having my playlists full of The Fall and Half Man Half Biscuit, and I don't understand the arrogance of people who think we all want to listen to their taste in terrible MOR in supermarkets.
I think the Tory conference will attract a lot of attention with the beauty parade featuring the final four leadership contenders.
We've been starved of decent horror movies since Hammer went belly up.
I still can't muster up any enthusiasm about it.
None.
Nor me
I’m quite intrigued myself. I’m going this year as I’m on a panel in a fringe event. First time I’ve been to a Tory conference. I’m expecting it to be very different from the Labour one last year which was heaving with lobbyists.
Which one, if you don't mind me asking?
“Going for growth: a conservative vision for economic prosperity”
As the UK has slowly sunk into insignificance since Brexit we've had to live with some of the worst governments most of us will remember.
I'm not sure whether Starmer and Co feel like the cavalry or whether they're just a chink of light but they couldn't have arrived at a more opportune moment.
With Jenrick or Badenoch and possiby Trump and without the stability of the EU we'd have been well on our way up shit creek.
I think we should all say a bunch of Hail Marys for Sir Keir and an extra one for Kamala
Same old story. National Trust hates the British people.
More like the multiple land ownerships, from the report (and, I suspect, the insurance company). But hey, any excuse for an anti-woke story. It'll be whinging about vegan mudpies next.
A number of significant questions will be answered, at least in part, by the Conservative Party’s latest leadership contest. Chief among them is this: do the Tories wish to be the party of weird?
At present, the signs are not altogether encouraging. Robert Jenrick, still largely unknown as far as the general public is concerned but at present topping the ballot among his peers in the House of Commons, has embraced the weird.
If Jenrick were the only significant Tory to do so this might be of little concern but he is not. For, like Boris Johnson and Liz Truss, Jenrick has cheerfully endorsed Donald Trump’s campaign for the presidency of the United States. Perhaps he thinks this will help him with the pet owners’ vote but, regardless of any other considerations, Jenrick’s enthusiasm for Trump is a grim indication of how the wind is blowing in Tory circles.
Jenrick has embraced Trump because he believes it burnishes his credentials on the Tory right and among th members, and will appeal to Reform supporters. He's probably correct.
Johnson has embraced Trump because he knows it is the way into mega-money gigs in the US. He's probably correct.
Today's big issue - Asda workers up in arms at the shitness of the music they are forced to listen to while they work.
I'm with them here. I like music as much as the next man - but I like the music which is to my taste. I'd rather have no music than music I don't like. I wouldn't expect other shoppers to be gleeful about having my playlists full of The Fall and Half Man Half Biscuit, and I don't understand the arrogance of people who think we all want to listen to their taste in terrible MOR in supermarkets.
Other way round. Asda used to play proper songs but changed to unlicensed rubbish (similar to what we used to call muzak) and that is what has upset the workforce.
A number of significant questions will be answered, at least in part, by the Conservative Party’s latest leadership contest. Chief among them is this: do the Tories wish to be the party of weird?
At present, the signs are not altogether encouraging. Robert Jenrick, still largely unknown as far as the general public is concerned but at present topping the ballot among his peers in the House of Commons, has embraced the weird.
If Jenrick were the only significant Tory to do so this might be of little concern but he is not. For, like Boris Johnson and Liz Truss, Jenrick has cheerfully endorsed Donald Trump’s campaign for the presidency of the United States. Perhaps he thinks this will help him with the pet owners’ vote but, regardless of any other considerations, Jenrick’s enthusiasm for Trump is a grim indication of how the wind is blowing in Tory circles.
One of the big questions for British politics is whether the next leader of the Conservative Party will succeed in reuniting the right of centre vote by convincing Tory voters to believe the things that Reform voters believe in.
How well does an earlier version of that glibness look now:
The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back – A portion of a statement that Obama made in an October 2012 debate. In the debate, Obama was deriding an earlier Romney statement in the campaign that Russia is "without question, our No. 1 geopolitical foe."
How well does an earlier version of that glibness look now:
The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back – A portion of a statement that Obama made in an October 2012 debate. In the debate, Obama was deriding an earlier Romney statement in the campaign that Russia is "without question, our No. 1 geopolitical foe."
Same old story. National Trust hates the British people.
More like the multiple land ownerships, from the report (and, I suspect, the insurance company). But hey, any excuse for an anti-woke story. It'll be whinging about vegan mudpies next.
From the report (and knowing some of the people involved) - it was because the section of the National Trust wanted to exclude people from the marsh. They wanted a “pristine natural environment” with people excluded from it.
Edit : bit like other big land owners not wanting anyone walking across their land, eh?
No sooner has Parliament sat down after a long summer break and it all stops again for a month for Conference season. Why?
It really gives the impression of a political system that exists for itself, not the people.
I think Cammo reduced the summer recess so it no longer included the September fortnight. Not only did this prevent MPs having cheap holidays, it caused a ludicrous system whereby they returned for a fortnight then rose again. They’d be better finding the two weeks elsewhere in the year.
Trump dies and goes to see St Peter. Because he is a president, he gets the honour of seeing St Peter in his office, next to the pearly gates.
Trump looks at the room, and thinks the room is rather plain - except for the rear wall, which was covered in 45 clocks, each ticking at a different speed.
"Saint Peter," Trump asks, "What are those clocks?"
"Ah," Saint Peter says in a calm voice. "Each of those clocks belongs to a president of the United States, and each ticks at a different rate. The more lies you told in life, the quicker it ticks." He points at one that was scarcely moving. "That belonged to Lincoln." He points at another that was moving quite fast. "And that is Nixon's."
Intrigued, Trump asks: "So where is mine?"
"It is not here," Saint Peter replies.
"Oh," Trump says. "I guess I am too important for it to be amongst these lesser presidents."
"No," Saint Peter replies. "Jesus uses it as a ceiling fan."
Today's big issue - Asda workers up in arms at the shitness of the music they are forced to listen to while they work.
I'm with them here. I like music as much as the next man - but I like the music which is to my taste. I'd rather have no music than music I don't like. I wouldn't expect other shoppers to be gleeful about having my playlists full of The Fall and Half Man Half Biscuit, and I don't understand the arrogance of people who think we all want to listen to their taste in terrible MOR in supermarkets.
No music at Lidl (at least as far as my experience goes), one of its many merits.
A minority of people (I am one) would prefer M6 traffic noise in a wet rush hour to unwanted music, but like silence better still.
I hadn’t realised that JENRICK had endorsed Trump. Dear me, what an absolute tool.
Indeed. And should rule him out of high office in this country for the rest of his career.
He is siding with this country's enemies.
The Conservative base and voter bloc is anti-Trump at the moment, unlike Reform. It’s also strongly pro-Ukraine and hawkish on Russia. But a Trump-positive Jenrick as leader, and especially a new Trump presidency, could well shift that particular Overton side-window. I really don’t want to see the party dragged into MAGA land. It’ll have us pining for the good old days of honourable, honest leaders like Boris Johnson.
Today's big issue - Asda workers up in arms at the shitness of the music they are forced to listen to while they work.
I'm with them here. I like music as much as the next man - but I like the music which is to my taste. I'd rather have no music than music I don't like. I wouldn't expect other shoppers to be gleeful about having my playlists full of The Fall and Half Man Half Biscuit, and I don't understand the arrogance of people who think we all want to listen to their taste in terrible MOR in supermarkets.
No music at Lidl (at least as far as my experience goes), one of its many merits.
A minority of people (I am one) would prefer M6 traffic noise in a wet rush hour to unwanted music, but like silence better still.
And this is now.
Just imagine what their Christmas season music will be like when it starts on November 1st.
I hadn’t realised that JENRICK had endorsed Trump. Dear me, what an absolute tool.
Indeed. And should rule him out of high office in this country for the rest of his career.
He is siding with this country's enemies.
The Conservative base and voter bloc is anti-Trump at the moment, unlike Reform. It’s also strongly pro-Ukraine and hawkish on Russia. But a Trump-positive Jenrick as leader, and especially a new Trump presidency, could well shift that particular Overton side-window. I really don’t want to see the party dragged into MAGA land. It’ll have us pining for the good old days of honourable, honest leaders like Boris Johnson.
It would be a good way of losing even more support.
A number of significant questions will be answered, at least in part, by the Conservative Party’s latest leadership contest. Chief among them is this: do the Tories wish to be the party of weird?
At present, the signs are not altogether encouraging. Robert Jenrick, still largely unknown as far as the general public is concerned but at present topping the ballot among his peers in the House of Commons, has embraced the weird.
If Jenrick were the only significant Tory to do so this might be of little concern but he is not. For, like Boris Johnson and Liz Truss, Jenrick has cheerfully endorsed Donald Trump’s campaign for the presidency of the United States. Perhaps he thinks this will help him with the pet owners’ vote but, regardless of any other considerations, Jenrick’s enthusiasm for Trump is a grim indication of how the wind is blowing in Tory circles.
Jenrick has embraced Trump because he believes it burnishes his credentials on the Tory right and among th members, and will appeal to Reform supporters. He's probably correct.
The article addresses that too
I think we should understand that the Tory party’s Trump problem is related to and in some ways a proxy for its Nigel Farage problem. Farage, who would dearly love to be Trump’s British mini-me, is the spectre haunting the Conservative leadership contest. Lacking the courage to shoot this fox, Tories such as Jenrick prefer to appease it.
There is, to be sure, an audience for revanchist conservatism in this country just as there is an audience for the kind of America-brained populism increasingly espoused by outlets such as GB News. The station is a portent of one possible Tory future and it is worth noting that some of its shows outperform their notional rivals on more established channels such as Sky News. In this respect, the future direction of The Daily Telegraph under its new owners, whenever they are revealed, will be a significant litmus test for the Tories’ future too.
But, influential or not, this kind of politics remains a minority enthusiasm. A Conservative Party which concludes it lost the general election because voters thought it was insufficiently right-wing is a party which will deserve everything it gets. Which will be precisely nothing.
On this sporting theme, over to the horseracing and the final Classic race of the season, the St Leger will be run at Doncaster racecourse.
Even non-racing fans will know of the race from such aphorisms as Winter comes in on the tail of the last horse in the St Leger, or the stock market's Sell in May and go away; come back on St Leger day.
The St Leger is also the world's oldest Classic race. It was first run in 1776, an otherwise unremarkable year.
An sarcastic reference to the founding of the Illuminati - well played!
Today's big issue - Asda workers up in arms at the shitness of the music they are forced to listen to while they work.
I'm with them here. I like music as much as the next man - but I like the music which is to my taste. I'd rather have no music than music I don't like. I wouldn't expect other shoppers to be gleeful about having my playlists full of The Fall and Half Man Half Biscuit, and I don't understand the arrogance of people who think we all want to listen to their taste in terrible MOR in supermarkets.
No music at Lidl (at least as far as my experience goes), one of its many merits.
A minority of people (I am one) would prefer M6 traffic noise in a wet rush hour to unwanted music, but like silence better still.
ASDA is my least favourite supermarket chain. It’s neither one thing nor the other these days. Morrisons is a bit performatively Northern with its “fancy cheese” section and fancy dress butcher counter staff, but at least it stocks deep discounted white-labelled 2010 Nyetimber.
Today's big issue - Asda workers up in arms at the shitness of the music they are forced to listen to while they work.
I'm with them here. I like music as much as the next man - but I like the music which is to my taste. I'd rather have no music than music I don't like. I wouldn't expect other shoppers to be gleeful about having my playlists full of The Fall and Half Man Half Biscuit, and I don't understand the arrogance of people who think we all want to listen to their taste in terrible MOR in supermarkets.
No music at Lidl (at least as far as my experience goes), one of its many merits.
A minority of people (I am one) would prefer M6 traffic noise in a wet rush hour to unwanted music, but like silence better still.
I remember talking to the waiter at a restaurant at Christmas time about the music: they would get a CD of songs that they had payed for the rights to use and then put it on repeat. It was long enough that most customers wouldn’t hear all of it, but the staff would grow to loath even “Fairytale of New York” after a couple of weeks.
How well does an earlier version of that glibness look now:
The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back – A portion of a statement that Obama made in an October 2012 debate. In the debate, Obama was deriding an earlier Romney statement in the campaign that Russia is "without question, our No. 1 geopolitical foe."
How is that in any way relevant to Vance’s revolting bigotry, other than it using the same stock phrase?
If you want every comment to be precisely relevant to those proceeding then you're on the wrong site.
But if you want some relevance I would suggest:
1) The particulars of what Haitian immigrants get up to matter less than highlighting that they are there. Haiti is a failed state, Haitians are failed state people, who wants failed state people when you have enough problems of your own ? The Dems poll badly on immigration so the more the focus is on immigration then the more it benefits Trump.
2) Other people might not agree with hostile references to the 1980s. Remember Labour's 'Fire up the Quattro' fiasco:
The Milibands' attempt to portray Tory leader as a throwback to the Eighties backfires spectacularly
I hadn’t realised that JENRICK had endorsed Trump. Dear me, what an absolute tool.
Indeed. And should rule him out of high office in this country for the rest of his career.
He is siding with this country's enemies.
The Conservative base and voter bloc is anti-Trump at the moment, unlike Reform. It’s also strongly pro-Ukraine and hawkish on Russia. But a Trump-positive Jenrick as leader, and especially a new Trump presidency, could well shift that particular Overton side-window. I really don’t want to see the party dragged into MAGA land. It’ll have us pining for the good old days of honourable, honest leaders like Boris Johnson.
It is quite possible to be a Ukrainian Ultra and want to fuck Trump's 'Neck Pussy' as bro living in the Ballardesque nightmare of the Trucial States vividly demonstrates on the reg.
Today's big issue - Asda workers up in arms at the shitness of the music they are forced to listen to while they work.
I'm with them here. I like music as much as the next man - but I like the music which is to my taste. I'd rather have no music than music I don't like. I wouldn't expect other shoppers to be gleeful about having my playlists full of The Fall and Half Man Half Biscuit, and I don't understand the arrogance of people who think we all want to listen to their taste in terrible MOR in supermarkets.
No music at Lidl (at least as far as my experience goes), one of its many merits.
A minority of people (I am one) would prefer M6 traffic noise in a wet rush hour to unwanted music, but like silence better still.
ASDA is my least favourite supermarket chain. It’s neither one thing nor the other these days. Morrisons is a bit performatively Northern with its “fancy cheese” section and fancy dress butcher counter staff, but at least it stocks deep discounted white-labelled 2010 Nyetimber.
Lidl is brilliant. Much prefer it to Aldi.
I prefer Lidl to Aldi because its strengths match my shopping habits. I believe Aldi is a much better employer though.
No sooner has Parliament sat down after a long summer break and it all stops again for a month for Conference season. Why?
It really gives the impression of a political system that exists for itself, not the people.
I think Cammo reduced the summer recess so it no longer included the September fortnight. Not only did this prevent MPs having cheap holidays, it caused a ludicrous system whereby they returned for a fortnight then rose again. They’d be better finding the two weeks elsewhere in the year.
Or they could move the dates of the party conference season?
I hadn’t realised that JENRICK had endorsed Trump. Dear me, what an absolute tool.
Indeed. And should rule him out of high office in this country for the rest of his career.
He is siding with this country's enemies.
The Conservative base and voter bloc is anti-Trump at the moment, unlike Reform. It’s also strongly pro-Ukraine and hawkish on Russia. But a Trump-positive Jenrick as leader, and especially a new Trump presidency, could well shift that particular Overton side-window. I really don’t want to see the party dragged into MAGA land. It’ll have us pining for the good old days of honourable, honest leaders like Boris Johnson.
This I guess is why we should try and drum up some interest in this contest: the party could well go full MAGA with the wrong leader. Conspiracy theories, lies, populist ranting etc etc.
Today's big issue - Asda workers up in arms at the shitness of the music they are forced to listen to while they work.
I'm with them here. I like music as much as the next man - but I like the music which is to my taste. I'd rather have no music than music I don't like. I wouldn't expect other shoppers to be gleeful about having my playlists full of The Fall and Half Man Half Biscuit, and I don't understand the arrogance of people who think we all want to listen to their taste in terrible MOR in supermarkets.
No music at Lidl (at least as far as my experience goes), one of its many merits.
A minority of people (I am one) would prefer M6 traffic noise in a wet rush hour to unwanted music, but like silence better still.
ASDA is my least favourite supermarket chain. It’s neither one thing nor the other these days. Morrisons is a bit performatively Northern with its “fancy cheese” section and fancy dress butcher counter staff, but at least it stocks deep discounted white-labelled 2010 Nyetimber.
Lidl is brilliant. Much prefer it to Aldi.
With you on Lidl, much the best supermarket offer these days, for the basics.
No sooner has Parliament sat down after a long summer break and it all stops again for a month for Conference season. Why?
It really gives the impression of a political system that exists for itself, not the people.
I think Cammo reduced the summer recess so it no longer included the September fortnight. Not only did this prevent MPs having cheap holidays, it caused a ludicrous system whereby they returned for a fortnight then rose again. They’d be better finding the two weeks elsewhere in the year.
Or they could move the dates of the party conference season?
Once they become an MP that should be their job. If they want to spend a week chattering amongst like minded people it should be one of their 30-40 days or so holiday. Get rid of the whole pantomime.
No sooner has Parliament sat down after a long summer break and it all stops again for a month for Conference season. Why?
It really gives the impression of a political system that exists for itself, not the people.
I take the line that the less time MPs are in parliament the better…
Parliament should only sit when it has something useful to do. The default position should be that it isn't sitting. MPs should be volunteers, paid expenses only, with the salary going to unglamorous constituency case workers. Nearly all real accountability from government and ministers is achieved in detailed discussions and exchanges well away from the chamber.
No sooner has Parliament sat down after a long summer break and it all stops again for a month for Conference season. Why?
It really gives the impression of a political system that exists for itself, not the people.
I think Cammo reduced the summer recess so it no longer included the September fortnight. Not only did this prevent MPs having cheap holidays, it caused a ludicrous system whereby they returned for a fortnight then rose again. They’d be better finding the two weeks elsewhere in the year.
Or they could move the dates of the party conference season?
Or could they? Presumably the parties need to fit in between the summer season and panto, not least for hotel accommodation.
No sooner has Parliament sat down after a long summer break and it all stops again for a month for Conference season. Why?
It really gives the impression of a political system that exists for itself, not the people.
I think Cammo reduced the summer recess so it no longer included the September fortnight. Not only did this prevent MPs having cheap holidays, it caused a ludicrous system whereby they returned for a fortnight then rose again. They’d be better finding the two weeks elsewhere in the year.
Or they could move the dates of the party conference season?
Once they become an MP that should be their job. If they want to spend a week chattering amongst like minded people it should be one of their 30-40 days or so holiday. Get rid of the whole pantomime.
Being an MP should not be a job: if it were then then they should be much harder to sack.
The links to newspapers used to be mainly to the Mail. Nowadays the majority are to the Telegraph. Is the site attracting a better class of Tory or are the Telegraph doing a deal at the moment?
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico There's an interplay btwn immigration debates & the birth-rate issue that is only rarely acknowledged. World birth rates are below replacement levels in every continent except Africa. China's popn is already decreasing & almost every country's popn will be shrinking by 2040.+
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 1h +None of this means we shld hv no immigration controls or that immigration does not present problems of its own. But I think history will look back on the past 25 years & pronounce our high immigration an act of geopolitical genius, massively enhancing the UK's long-term status.
I think the Tory conference will attract a lot of attention with the beauty parade featuring the final four leadership contenders.
We've been starved of decent horror movies since Hammer went belly up.
I still can't muster up any enthusiasm about it.
None.
Nor me
I’m quite intrigued myself. I’m going this year as I’m on a panel in a fringe event. First time I’ve been to a Tory conference. I’m expecting it to be very different from the Labour one last year which was heaving with lobbyists.
Which one, if you don't mind me asking?
“Going for growth: a conservative vision for economic prosperity”
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico There's an interplay btwn immigration debates & the birth-rate issue that is only rarely acknowledged. World birth rates are below replacement levels in every continent except Africa. China's popn is already decreasing & almost every country's popn will be shrinking by 2040.+
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 1h +None of this means we shld hv no immigration controls or that immigration does not present problems of its own. But I think history will look back on the past 25 years & pronounce our high immigration an act of geopolitical genius, massively enhancing the UK's long-term status.
The keys with immigrations are to build the housing and infrastructure in advance or at least in parallel, and ensure by the second generation that immigrant communities are fully integrated in terms of language and education and mostly integrated into culture.
The links to newspapers used to be mainly to the Mail. Nowadays the majority are to the Telegraph. Is the site attracting a better class of Tory or are the Telegraph doing a deal at the moment?
The Mail is newly 50 per cent paywalled, which probably accounts for the decline there.
No sooner has Parliament sat down after a long summer break and it all stops again for a month for Conference season. Why?
It really gives the impression of a political system that exists for itself, not the people.
I think Cammo reduced the summer recess so it no longer included the September fortnight. Not only did this prevent MPs having cheap holidays, it caused a ludicrous system whereby they returned for a fortnight then rose again. They’d be better finding the two weeks elsewhere in the year.
Or they could move the dates of the party conference season?
Or could they? Presumably the parties need to fit in between the summer season and panto, not least for hotel accommodation.
That's a very good point. Worth considering the extent to which party conference season exists to support the hotel and event space industry.
I hadn’t realised that JENRICK had endorsed Trump. Dear me, what an absolute tool.
Unkind.
There are some fine tools out there who do not deserve to be compared to Jenrick.
I wonder who makes those tools and what happened to their son. If only somebody could tell us repeatedly.
Prime Ministers who bang on about their parents: Keir Starmer; Rishi Sunak; Margaret Thatcher; Winston Churchill; Pitt the Younger.
Truss did as well, though as ghastly lefties to recoil from. We didn't notice so much, because she came and left so quickly.
I crossed out Liz Truss because on reflection, I think it was that commentators frequently reminded us of her parents being lefty academics. Truss herself spoke more about her old school, from what I remember.
No sooner has Parliament sat down after a long summer break and it all stops again for a month for Conference season. Why?
It really gives the impression of a political system that exists for itself, not the people.
I think Cammo reduced the summer recess so it no longer included the September fortnight. Not only did this prevent MPs having cheap holidays, it caused a ludicrous system whereby they returned for a fortnight then rose again. They’d be better finding the two weeks elsewhere in the year.
Or they could move the dates of the party conference season?
Once they become an MP that should be their job. If they want to spend a week chattering amongst like minded people it should be one of their 30-40 days or so holiday. Get rid of the whole pantomime.
Being an MP should not be a job: if it were then then they should be much harder to sack.
A full time equivalent responsibility rather than a "job" in employment law.
No sooner has Parliament sat down after a long summer break and it all stops again for a month for Conference season. Why?
It really gives the impression of a political system that exists for itself, not the people.
I take the line that the less time MPs are in parliament the better…
Parliament should only sit when it has something useful to do. The default position should be that it isn't sitting. MPs should be volunteers, paid expenses only, with the salary going to unglamorous constituency case workers. Nearly all real accountability from government and ministers is achieved in detailed discussions and exchanges well away from the chamber.
I agree: the idea that being an MP is a full time job and that they shouldn’t do anything else is contradicted by the fact that almost all members of the government are also MPs. If SKS can be prime minister while being an MP then back benchers should be able to do anything that doesn’t produce an obvious conflict of interest.
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico There's an interplay btwn immigration debates & the birth-rate issue that is only rarely acknowledged. World birth rates are below replacement levels in every continent except Africa. China's popn is already decreasing & almost every country's popn will be shrinking by 2040.+
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 1h +None of this means we shld hv no immigration controls or that immigration does not present problems of its own. But I think history will look back on the past 25 years & pronounce our high immigration an act of geopolitical genius, massively enhancing the UK's long-term status.
The keys with immigrations are to build the housing and infrastructure in advance or at least in parallel, and ensure by the second generation that immigrant communities are fully integrated in terms of language and education and mostly integrated into culture.
I think also that if the people of a country are content to see their country gently decline in geopolitical terms, and would rather deal with the demographic challenges of a declining population, rather than the infrastructure challenges of a growing population, then in a democracy they should be able to make that choice.
We've recently had 14 years of a Conservative government promising to reduce net migration to the tens of thousands, which would imply a total level of net migration of 1.4 million during their term of office. Net migration in 2022 and 2023 was above 1.4 million in those two years alone.
I am generally in favour of increasing people's freedom to move around the world and live where they want, but the democratic deficit is pretty clear.
No sooner has Parliament sat down after a long summer break and it all stops again for a month for Conference season. Why?
It really gives the impression of a political system that exists for itself, not the people.
I take the line that the less time MPs are in parliament the better…
Parliament should only sit when it has something useful to do. The default position should be that it isn't sitting. MPs should be volunteers, paid expenses only, with the salary going to unglamorous constituency case workers. Nearly all real accountability from government and ministers is achieved in detailed discussions and exchanges well away from the chamber.
I agree: the idea that being an MP is a full time job and that they shouldn’t do anything else is contradicted by the fact that almost all members of the government are also MPs. If SKS can be prime minister while being an MP then back benchers should be able to do anything that doesn’t produce an obvious conflict of interest.
And how would you describe the quality of legislation we get or the level of scrutiny of government ministers and policies?
If its not working, and we keep doing the same thing, it ain't gonna get any better.
No sooner has Parliament sat down after a long summer break and it all stops again for a month for Conference season. Why?
It really gives the impression of a political system that exists for itself, not the people.
I think Cammo reduced the summer recess so it no longer included the September fortnight. Not only did this prevent MPs having cheap holidays, it caused a ludicrous system whereby they returned for a fortnight then rose again. They’d be better finding the two weeks elsewhere in the year.
Or they could move the dates of the party conference season?
Once they become an MP that should be their job. If they want to spend a week chattering amongst like minded people it should be one of their 30-40 days or so holiday. Get rid of the whole pantomime.
Being an MP should not be a job: if it were then then they should be much harder to sack.
A full time equivalent responsibility rather than a "job" in employment law.
But it’s not full time, or else government ministers couldn’t be MPs as well.
I CANNOT BELIEVE I MISSED THE CASH THREAD YESTERDAY
Working too hard. But yes @TheScreamingEagles is right - cash is absolutely pointless. The arguments of the very few PBers who contested his view were incredibly weak.
I hadn’t realised that JENRICK had endorsed Trump. Dear me, what an absolute tool.
Unkind.
There are some fine tools out there who do not deserve to be compared to Jenrick.
I wonder who makes those tools and what happened to their son. If only somebody could tell us repeatedly.
Prime Ministers who bang on about their parents: Keir Starmer; Rishi Sunak; Margaret Thatcher; Winston Churchill; Pitt the Younger.
Truss did as well, though as ghastly lefties to recoil from. We didn't notice so much, because she came and left so quickly.
I crossed out Liz Truss because on reflection, I think it was that commentators frequently reminded us of her parents being lefty academics. Truss herself spoke more about her old school, from what I remember.
And said it was quite poor, academically. Which upset the school, because it's academic record is, in fact, good.
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico There's an interplay btwn immigration debates & the birth-rate issue that is only rarely acknowledged. World birth rates are below replacement levels in every continent except Africa. China's popn is already decreasing & almost every country's popn will be shrinking by 2040.+
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 1h +None of this means we shld hv no immigration controls or that immigration does not present problems of its own. But I think history will look back on the past 25 years & pronounce our high immigration an act of geopolitical genius, massively enhancing the UK's long-term status.
The keys with immigrations are to build the housing and infrastructure in advance or at least in parallel, and ensure by the second generation that immigrant communities are fully integrated in terms of language and education and mostly integrated into culture.
I think also that if the people of a country are content to see their country gently decline in geopolitical terms, and would rather deal with the demographic challenges of a declining population, rather than the infrastructure challenges of a growing population, then in a democracy they should be able to make that choice.
We've recently had 14 years of a Conservative government promising to reduce net migration to the tens of thousands, which would imply a total level of net migration of 1.4 million during their term of office. Net migration in 2022 and 2023 was above 1.4 million in those two years alone.
I am generally in favour of increasing people's freedom to move around the world and live where they want, but the democratic deficit is pretty clear.
Voters want lots of things. The problem is whilst each of them is deliverable on their own, they cannot all be delivered at the same time. So governments have to make choices on their behalf that they don't like whether it is on migration, higher taxes, crumbling public services including law and order and health.
If the voters really want lower immigration then they should vote for a party that promises higher tax and worse public services in exchange. I don't think they would vote for that in numbers higher than Reform poll.
No sooner has Parliament sat down after a long summer break and it all stops again for a month for Conference season. Why?
It really gives the impression of a political system that exists for itself, not the people.
I think Cammo reduced the summer recess so it no longer included the September fortnight. Not only did this prevent MPs having cheap holidays, it caused a ludicrous system whereby they returned for a fortnight then rose again. They’d be better finding the two weeks elsewhere in the year.
Or they could move the dates of the party conference season?
Once they become an MP that should be their job. If they want to spend a week chattering amongst like minded people it should be one of their 30-40 days or so holiday. Get rid of the whole pantomime.
Being an MP should not be a job: if it were then then they should be much harder to sack.
A full time equivalent responsibility rather than a "job" in employment law.
But it’s not full time, or else government ministers couldn’t be MPs as well.
I CANNOT BELIEVE I MISSED THE CASH THREAD YESTERDAY
Working too hard. But yes @TheScreamingEagles is right - cash is absolutely pointless. The arguments of the very few PBers who contested his view were incredibly weak.
I CANNOT BELIEVE I MISSED THE CASH THREAD YESTERDAY
Working too hard. But yes @TheScreamingEagles is right - cash is absolutely pointless. The arguments of the very few PBers who contested his view were incredibly weak.
Too late now. You missed your opportunity. Bit mean of @TheScreamingEagles not to send you a message beforehand.
Today's big issue - Asda workers up in arms at the shitness of the music they are forced to listen to while they work.
I'm with them here. I like music as much as the next man - but I like the music which is to my taste. I'd rather have no music than music I don't like. I wouldn't expect other shoppers to be gleeful about having my playlists full of The Fall and Half Man Half Biscuit, and I don't understand the arrogance of people who think we all want to listen to their taste in terrible MOR in supermarkets.
If I ever have to go into a supermarket (or, horror of horrors, a DIY store) that is playing any kind of musak I leave as fast as possible.
Soon after I wonder if this is a deliberate policy to make people grab at things and run before they have a chance to think too hard about what they actually need.
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico There's an interplay btwn immigration debates & the birth-rate issue that is only rarely acknowledged. World birth rates are below replacement levels in every continent except Africa. China's popn is already decreasing & almost every country's popn will be shrinking by 2040.+
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 1h +None of this means we shld hv no immigration controls or that immigration does not present problems of its own. But I think history will look back on the past 25 years & pronounce our high immigration an act of geopolitical genius, massively enhancing the UK's long-term status.
The keys with immigrations are to build the housing and infrastructure in advance or at least in parallel, and ensure by the second generation that immigrant communities are fully integrated in terms of language and education and mostly integrated into culture.
I think also that if the people of a country are content to see their country gently decline in geopolitical terms, and would rather deal with the demographic challenges of a declining population, rather than the infrastructure challenges of a growing population, then in a democracy they should be able to make that choice.
We've recently had 14 years of a Conservative government promising to reduce net migration to the tens of thousands, which would imply a total level of net migration of 1.4 million during their term of office. Net migration in 2022 and 2023 was above 1.4 million in those two years alone.
I am generally in favour of increasing people's freedom to move around the world and live where they want, but the democratic deficit is pretty clear.
Voters want lots of things.
The voters wanted immediate help with their huge rise in electricity bills. Rishi provided this. Helped many, many families over a cash crisis that was not remotely of the Conservative Government's making.
Not a single voter mentioned any gratitude on the doorstep. Not one.
No sooner has Parliament sat down after a long summer break and it all stops again for a month for Conference season. Why?
It really gives the impression of a political system that exists for itself, not the people.
I take the line that the less time MPs are in parliament the better…
Parliament should only sit when it has something useful to do. The default position should be that it isn't sitting. MPs should be volunteers, paid expenses only, with the salary going to unglamorous constituency case workers. Nearly all real accountability from government and ministers is achieved in detailed discussions and exchanges well away from the chamber.
I agree: the idea that being an MP is a full time job and that they shouldn’t do anything else is contradicted by the fact that almost all members of the government are also MPs. If SKS can be prime minister while being an MP then back benchers should be able to do anything that doesn’t produce an obvious conflict of interest.
And how would you describe the quality of legislation we get or the level of scrutiny of government ministers and policies?
If its not working, and we keep doing the same thing, it ain't gonna get any better.
I’m not sure how those are linked. A lot of MPs do treat it as a full time job at the moment, but by that they seem to mean dealing with problems from their constituents rather than the legislative scrutiny you rightly point out is missing. There is also the problem of blindly voting on party lines of course. But that is not new; WS Gilbert had some choice comments on that in both “HMS Pinafore” and “Iolanthe”. I particularly remember the lines
“but then the prospect of a lot of dull MPs in close proximity All thinking for themselves is what No man can face with equinimity”
I hadn’t realised that JENRICK had endorsed Trump. Dear me, what an absolute tool.
Unkind.
There are some fine tools out there who do not deserve to be compared to Jenrick.
I wonder who makes those tools and what happened to their son. If only somebody could tell us repeatedly.
Prime Ministers who bang on about their parents: Keir Starmer; Rishi Sunak; Margaret Thatcher; Winston Churchill; Pitt the Younger.
Truss did as well, though as ghastly lefties to recoil from. We didn't notice so much, because she came and left so quickly.
I crossed out Liz Truss because on reflection, I think it was that commentators frequently reminded us of her parents being lefty academics. Truss herself spoke more about her old school, from what I remember.
And said it was quite poor, academically. Which upset the school, because it's academic record is, in fact, good.
The school did get Liz Truss into Oxford, after all.
I hadn’t realised that JENRICK had endorsed Trump. Dear me, what an absolute tool.
Unkind.
There are some fine tools out there who do not deserve to be compared to Jenrick.
I wonder who makes those tools and what happened to their son. If only somebody could tell us repeatedly.
Prime Ministers who bang on about their parents: Keir Starmer; Rishi Sunak; Margaret Thatcher; Winston Churchill; Pitt the Younger.
Truss did as well, though as ghastly lefties to recoil from. We didn't notice so much, because she came and left so quickly.
I crossed out Liz Truss because on reflection, I think it was that commentators frequently reminded us of her parents being lefty academics. Truss herself spoke more about her old school, from what I remember.
And said it was quite poor, academically. Which upset the school, because it's academic record is, in fact, good.
The school did get Liz Truss into Oxford, after all.
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico There's an interplay btwn immigration debates & the birth-rate issue that is only rarely acknowledged. World birth rates are below replacement levels in every continent except Africa. China's popn is already decreasing & almost every country's popn will be shrinking by 2040.+
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 1h +None of this means we shld hv no immigration controls or that immigration does not present problems of its own. But I think history will look back on the past 25 years & pronounce our high immigration an act of geopolitical genius, massively enhancing the UK's long-term status.
The keys with immigrations are to build the housing and infrastructure in advance or at least in parallel, and ensure by the second generation that immigrant communities are fully integrated in terms of language and education and mostly integrated into culture.
I think also that if the people of a country are content to see their country gently decline in geopolitical terms, and would rather deal with the demographic challenges of a declining population, rather than the infrastructure challenges of a growing population, then in a democracy they should be able to make that choice.
We've recently had 14 years of a Conservative government promising to reduce net migration to the tens of thousands, which would imply a total level of net migration of 1.4 million during their term of office. Net migration in 2022 and 2023 was above 1.4 million in those two years alone.
I am generally in favour of increasing people's freedom to move around the world and live where they want, but the democratic deficit is pretty clear.
Voters want lots of things.
The voters wanted immediate help with their huge rise in electricity bills. Rishi provided this. Helped many, many families over a cash crisis that was not remotely of the Conservative Government's making.
Not a single voter mentioned any gratitude on the doorstep. Not one.
Politically, he should have put it into the NHS.
I thought it was Gordon Brown who started the Winter Fuel Allowance.
Today's big issue - Asda workers up in arms at the shitness of the music they are forced to listen to while they work.
I'm with them here. I like music as much as the next man - but I like the music which is to my taste. I'd rather have no music than music I don't like. I wouldn't expect other shoppers to be gleeful about having my playlists full of The Fall and Half Man Half Biscuit, and I don't understand the arrogance of people who think we all want to listen to their taste in terrible MOR in supermarkets.
Other way round. Asda used to play proper songs but changed to unlicensed rubbish (similar to what we used to call muzak) and that is what has upset the workforce.
I was pleasantly surprised that, sat at Breakfast in the Premier Inn in ABerdeen on Wednesday, they were not only playing original artists (as opposd to poor copies) but also a cracking setlist. Springsteen, CCR, Blondie, Nick Drake and Kraftwerk were some I remember
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico There's an interplay btwn immigration debates & the birth-rate issue that is only rarely acknowledged. World birth rates are below replacement levels in every continent except Africa. China's popn is already decreasing & almost every country's popn will be shrinking by 2040.+
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 1h +None of this means we shld hv no immigration controls or that immigration does not present problems of its own. But I think history will look back on the past 25 years & pronounce our high immigration an act of geopolitical genius, massively enhancing the UK's long-term status.
The keys with immigrations are to build the housing and infrastructure in advance or at least in parallel, and ensure by the second generation that immigrant communities are fully integrated in terms of language and education and mostly integrated into culture.
"build the housing and infrastructure in advance or at least in parallel"
That's LOL considering the way we do things in this country.
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico There's an interplay btwn immigration debates & the birth-rate issue that is only rarely acknowledged. World birth rates are below replacement levels in every continent except Africa. China's popn is already decreasing & almost every country's popn will be shrinking by 2040.+
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 1h +None of this means we shld hv no immigration controls or that immigration does not present problems of its own. But I think history will look back on the past 25 years & pronounce our high immigration an act of geopolitical genius, massively enhancing the UK's long-term status.
The keys with immigrations are to build the housing and infrastructure in advance or at least in parallel, and ensure by the second generation that immigrant communities are fully integrated in terms of language and education and mostly integrated into culture.
I think also that if the people of a country are content to see their country gently decline in geopolitical terms, and would rather deal with the demographic challenges of a declining population, rather than the infrastructure challenges of a growing population, then in a democracy they should be able to make that choice.
We've recently had 14 years of a Conservative government promising to reduce net migration to the tens of thousands, which would imply a total level of net migration of 1.4 million during their term of office. Net migration in 2022 and 2023 was above 1.4 million in those two years alone.
I am generally in favour of increasing people's freedom to move around the world and live where they want, but the democratic deficit is pretty clear.
Voters want lots of things.
The voters wanted immediate help with their huge rise in electricity bills. Rishi provided this. Helped many, many families over a cash crisis that was not remotely of the Conservative Government's making.
Not a single voter mentioned any gratitude on the doorstep. Not one.
Politically, he should have put it into the NHS.
I thought it was Gordon Brown who started the Winter Fuel Allowance.
Mark is talking about the additional payments we got during the Russia gas crisis.
Absolutely stunning early autumn day in Devon. Mists first off, now bright blue skies.
Why would anyone want to go anywhere else? (Remind me of this when I'm in the UAE in a fortnight...)
A few degrees warmer would be nice. But regardless, it’s a beautiful day.
Heading down to the vineyard later with my daughter to check on the grapes and have a country walk. We narrowly escaped frost last night. 2.1C. One vineyard down in Sussex got down to 0.3C.
I think the Tory conference will attract a lot of attention with the beauty parade featuring the final four leadership contenders.
We've been starved of decent horror movies since Hammer went belly up.
I still can't muster up any enthusiasm about it.
None.
Nor me
I’m quite intrigued myself. I’m going this year as I’m on a panel in a fringe event. First time I’ve been to a Tory conference. I’m expecting it to be very different from the Labour one last year which was heaving with lobbyists.
Which one, if you don't mind me asking?
“Going for growth: a conservative vision for economic prosperity”
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico There's an interplay btwn immigration debates & the birth-rate issue that is only rarely acknowledged. World birth rates are below replacement levels in every continent except Africa. China's popn is already decreasing & almost every country's popn will be shrinking by 2040.+
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 1h +None of this means we shld hv no immigration controls or that immigration does not present problems of its own. But I think history will look back on the past 25 years & pronounce our high immigration an act of geopolitical genius, massively enhancing the UK's long-term status.
The keys with immigrations are to build the housing and infrastructure in advance or at least in parallel, and ensure by the second generation that immigrant communities are fully integrated in terms of language and education and mostly integrated into culture.
I think also that if the people of a country are content to see their country gently decline in geopolitical terms, and would rather deal with the demographic challenges of a declining population, rather than the infrastructure challenges of a growing population, then in a democracy they should be able to make that choice.
We've recently had 14 years of a Conservative government promising to reduce net migration to the tens of thousands, which would imply a total level of net migration of 1.4 million during their term of office. Net migration in 2022 and 2023 was above 1.4 million in those two years alone.
I am generally in favour of increasing people's freedom to move around the world and live where they want, but the democratic deficit is pretty clear.
Voters want lots of things.
The voters wanted immediate help with their huge rise in electricity bills. Rishi provided this. Helped many, many families over a cash crisis that was not remotely of the Conservative Government's making.
Not a single voter mentioned any gratitude on the doorstep. Not one.
Politically, he should have put it into the NHS.
I thought it was Gordon Brown who started the Winter Fuel Allowance.
Surely a reference to the Fuel Price Cap brought in under Truss (albeit as proposed by Miliband)?
No sooner has Parliament sat down after a long summer break and it all stops again for a month for Conference season. Why?
It really gives the impression of a political system that exists for itself, not the people.
I take the line that the less time MPs are in parliament the better…
Parliament should only sit when it has something useful to do. The default position should be that it isn't sitting. MPs should be volunteers, paid expenses only, with the salary going to unglamorous constituency case workers. Nearly all real accountability from government and ministers is achieved in detailed discussions and exchanges well away from the chamber.
I agree: the idea that being an MP is a full time job and that they shouldn’t do anything else is contradicted by the fact that almost all members of the government are also MPs. If SKS can be prime minister while being an MP then back benchers should be able to do anything that doesn’t produce an obvious conflict of interest.
And how would you describe the quality of legislation we get or the level of scrutiny of government ministers and policies?
If its not working, and we keep doing the same thing, it ain't gonna get any better.
I’m not sure how those are linked. A lot of MPs do treat it as a full time job at the moment, but by that they seem to mean dealing with problems from their constituents rather than the legislative scrutiny you rightly point out is missing. There is also the problem of blindly voting on party lines of course. But that is not new; WS Gilbert had some choice comments on that in both “HMS Pinafore” and “Iolanthe”. I particularly remember the lines
“but then the prospect of a lot of dull MPs in close proximity All thinking for themselves is what No man can face with equinimity”
How would you improve it?
I think MPs should spend less time dealing with constituents’ problems. That really should be the job of a strengthened local government layer. I can’t think of another developed country where the national parliament reps have that kind of level of local activity. Other politicians meet that need: mayors, state governors and senators, regional assemblies and so on.
Perhaps if we got MPs focused more on national issues and bolstered local democracy and - importantly - tax raising powers, we’d see less NIMBYism creeping into national party politics.
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We've been starved of decent horror movies since Hammer went belly up.
And the small group of people saying they pay attention to party conferences are just being polite.
At present, the signs are not altogether encouraging. Robert Jenrick, still largely unknown as far as the general public is concerned but at present topping the ballot among his peers in the House of Commons, has embraced the weird.
If Jenrick were the only significant Tory to do so this might be of little concern but he is not. For, like Boris Johnson and Liz Truss, Jenrick has cheerfully endorsed Donald Trump’s campaign for the presidency of the United States. Perhaps he thinks this will help him with the pet owners’ vote but, regardless of any other considerations, Jenrick’s enthusiasm for Trump is a grim indication of how the wind is blowing in Tory circles.
https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/tories-picking-trump-are-taking-wrong-path-zxn2f5q7v
I am surprised it is as high as 20%
Anyway, so, in important news:
Hit and giggle finals today.
All the finalists are from the South group, so have played each other in the competition before.
Surrey and Somerset in the first semi-final, their two matches both went with home advantage.
Sussex beat Gloucestershire both times in their group matches, although the one at Hove was tight and Gloucestershire could and should have won if they'd kept their heads.
Sussex only played Somerset once, losing at Taunton. Oddly, when at Hove Sussex lost to Surrey but absolutely thrashed them in the return fixture at the Oval.
Sussex, Somerset and Surrey are strong all-round sides having excellent seasons. Somerset beat Surrey earlier this week, so Surrey will be anxious to get their own back. None of them have any obvious weakness, although Sussex have dropped a few catches they shouldn't have.
Gloucestershire are capable on their day of beating absolutely anyone, having beaten Somerset handily in both matches they had, and played out a sensational tie with Surrey. Bowling is their stronger suit but Hammond is one of the best white ball batsmen in England (and would probably do a much better job for England than Will Jacks). If he gets going they could do well. But they are mercurial and prone to sudden collapses.
I wouldn't like to pick a favourite, although I suppose the sheer quality of Surrey justifies the 10/11 joint favourites with defending champions Somerset. They also have the advantage of playing first giving them a little more time to recover.
The value is probably in one of Sussex or Gloucestershire given that there's no one side that's been clearly dominant. Gloucestershire will be considered the outsiders and have I think the narrowest path to victory. But this could be an excellent day of cricket.
None.
A lot are in (slow) process. It works on suspension, investigation, hearing, action ... eventually (very eventually).
One of Trump's problems is that he has been using out of state lawyers eg in New York on a temporary basis who know little about the strange NY system, then they get something wrong (such as forgetting to ask for a jury trial or complaining on a non-valid basis), and he throws another tantrum.
I'm not sure how the Federal system regulates lawyer accreditation.
G piece about John Eastman:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/27/former-trump-lawyer-john-eastman-lose-law-license
Even non-racing fans will know of the race from such aphorisms as Winter comes in on the tail of the last horse in the St Leger, or the stock market's Sell in May and go away; come back on St Leger day.
The St Leger is also the world's oldest Classic race. It was first run in 1776, an otherwise unremarkable year.
Looks like everything that could have gone wrong did. But, as always, it’s about overhead and padding. The grant from CA state was $1.7m
The actual cost (after donations) is $300k
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/24/us/san-francisco-toilet.html
Jenrick means no lunch or dinner that day.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/oct/28/norfolk-marsh-bridge-national-trust
Note the price tag for a “bridge” across a ditch
JD Vance now says Haitian immigrants are spreading HIV after bizarre pet-eating claim flops
https://x.com/TheAdvocateMag/status/1834668688886157471
Today's big issue - Asda workers up in arms at the shitness of the music they are forced to listen to while they work.
I'm with them here. I like music as much as the next man - but I like the music which is to my taste. I'd rather have no music than music I don't like. I wouldn't expect other shoppers to be gleeful about having my playlists full of The Fall and Half Man Half Biscuit, and I don't understand the arrogance of people who think we all want to listen to their taste in terrible MOR in supermarkets.
That combination of “Remote Arrogance and Fuck You” is classic officialdom.
See also the RSPCA.
I'm not sure whether Starmer and Co feel like the cavalry or whether they're just a chink of light but they couldn't have arrived at a more opportune moment.
With Jenrick or Badenoch and possiby Trump and without the stability of the EU we'd have been well on our way up shit creek.
I think we should all say a bunch of Hail Marys for Sir Keir and an extra one for Kamala
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/09/13/graham-brady-reveals-secrets-how-five-tory-pms-ousted/ (£££)
No sooner has Parliament sat down after a long summer break and it all stops again for a month for Conference season. Why?
It really gives the impression of a political system that exists for itself, not the people.
Johnson has embraced Trump because he knows it is the way into mega-money gigs in the US. He's probably correct.
Truss has embraced Trump because she is unhinged.
The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back – A portion of a statement that Obama made in an October 2012 debate. In the debate, Obama was deriding an earlier Romney statement in the campaign that Russia is "without question, our No. 1 geopolitical foe."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_United_States_presidential_election#Presidential_debates
Edit : bit like other big land owners not wanting anyone walking across their land, eh?
He is siding with this country's enemies.
Trump dies and goes to see St Peter. Because he is a president, he gets the honour of seeing St Peter in his office, next to the pearly gates.
Trump looks at the room, and thinks the room is rather plain - except for the rear wall, which was covered in 45 clocks, each ticking at a different speed.
"Saint Peter," Trump asks, "What are those clocks?"
"Ah," Saint Peter says in a calm voice. "Each of those clocks belongs to a president of the United States, and each ticks at a different rate. The more lies you told in life, the quicker it ticks." He points at one that was scarcely moving. "That belonged to Lincoln." He points at another that was moving quite fast. "And that is Nixon's."
Intrigued, Trump asks: "So where is mine?"
"It is not here," Saint Peter replies.
"Oh," Trump says. "I guess I am too important for it to be amongst these lesser presidents."
"No," Saint Peter replies. "Jesus uses it as a ceiling fan."
There are some fine tools out there who do not deserve to be compared to Jenrick.
A minority of people (I am one) would prefer M6 traffic noise in a wet rush hour to unwanted music, but like silence better still.
Just imagine what their Christmas season music will be like when it starts on November 1st.
I think we should understand that the Tory party’s Trump problem is related to and in some ways a proxy for its Nigel Farage problem. Farage, who would dearly love to be Trump’s British mini-me, is the spectre haunting the Conservative leadership contest. Lacking the courage to shoot this fox, Tories such as Jenrick prefer to appease it.
There is, to be sure, an audience for revanchist conservatism in this country just as there is an audience for the kind of America-brained populism increasingly espoused by outlets such as GB News. The station is a portent of one possible Tory future and it is worth noting that some of its shows outperform their notional rivals on more established channels such as Sky News. In this respect, the future direction of The Daily Telegraph under its new owners, whenever they are revealed, will be a significant litmus test for the Tories’ future too.
But, influential or not, this kind of politics remains a minority enthusiasm. A Conservative Party which concludes it lost the general election because voters thought it was insufficiently right-wing is a party which will deserve everything it gets. Which will be precisely nothing.
Jenkyns and Jacob Rees Mogg.
They share a robust attitude to ethics and moral behaviour as well as their love for Donald Trump.
Lidl is brilliant. Much prefer it to Aldi.
But if you want some relevance I would suggest:
1) The particulars of what Haitian immigrants get up to matter less than highlighting that they are there. Haiti is a failed state, Haitians are failed state people, who wants failed state people when you have enough problems of your own ? The Dems poll badly on immigration so the more the focus is on immigration then the more it benefits Trump.
2) Other people might not agree with hostile references to the 1980s. Remember Labour's 'Fire up the Quattro' fiasco:
The Milibands' attempt to portray Tory leader as a throwback to the Eighties backfires spectacularly
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-poster-turns-cameron-into-a-cult-hero-1935428.html
https://x.com/AzeemRafiq30/status/1834157564537221267
Azeem Rafiq
@AzeemRafiq30
Marieha Hussain, a nine-months pregnant woman is on trial today for this placard
2024 Britain
But his side - and it is all about sides with c***s like him - won.
Last thing this country needs.
Andrew Lilico
@andrew_lilico
There's an interplay btwn immigration debates & the birth-rate issue that is only rarely acknowledged. World birth rates are below replacement levels in every continent except Africa. China's popn is already decreasing & almost every country's popn will be shrinking by 2040.+
Andrew Lilico
@andrew_lilico
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+None of this means we shld hv no immigration controls or that immigration does not present problems of its own. But I think history will look back on the past 25 years & pronounce our high immigration an act of geopolitical genius, massively enhancing the UK's long-term status.
https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1834868657106608423
madness. just utter madness. None of these people will return home on reality.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gegkkg14ko
We've recently had 14 years of a Conservative government promising to reduce net migration to the tens of thousands, which would imply a total level of net migration of 1.4 million during their term of office. Net migration in 2022 and 2023 was above 1.4 million in those two years alone.
I am generally in favour of increasing people's freedom to move around the world and live where they want, but the democratic deficit is pretty clear.
If its not working, and we keep doing the same thing, it ain't gonna get any better.
Working too hard. But yes @TheScreamingEagles is right - cash is absolutely pointless. The arguments of the very few PBers who contested his view were incredibly weak.
If the voters really want lower immigration then they should vote for a party that promises higher tax and worse public services in exchange. I don't think they would vote for that in numbers higher than Reform poll.
Soon after I wonder if this is a deliberate policy to make people grab at things and run before they have a chance to think too hard about what they actually need.
Not a single voter mentioned any gratitude on the doorstep. Not one.
Politically, he should have put it into the NHS.
I particularly remember the lines
“but then the prospect of a lot
of dull MPs in close proximity
All thinking for themselves is what
No man can face with equinimity”
How would you improve it?
Why would anyone want to go anywhere else? (Remind me of this when I'm in the UAE in a fortnight...)
That's LOL considering the way we do things in this country.
Heading down to the vineyard later with my daughter to check on the grapes and have a country walk. We narrowly escaped frost last night. 2.1C. One vineyard down in Sussex got down to 0.3C.
Perhaps if we got MPs focused more on national issues and bolstered local democracy and - importantly - tax raising powers, we’d see less NIMBYism creeping into national party politics.