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  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231
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    mercator said:

    Nigelb said:

    Woman whose post ignited false Springfield cat claim says it was based on rumor

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4879994-springfield-rumor-haitian-immigrants-facebook-post/
    The woman whose social media post helped ignite false claims of pets being eaten in Springfield, Ohio, said Friday the post was based on a rumor and that she feels remorse for the Haitian immigrants.
    Erika Lee, a Springfield resident, recently authored a post on Facebook, saying that her neighbor’s cat was lost and she was told it was because the pet was attacked by a Haitian immigrant.
    Kimberly Newton, Lee’s neighbor, acknowledged this week to NewsGuard, “I don’t actually know the person who lost the cat.” Newton added that the cat’s owner was “an acquaintance of a friend.”
    Now, Lee, has said she was sorry about the way the events unfolded, with the unfounded conspiracy theories about Haitian immigrants amplified by both former President Trump and his vice presidential pick, Ohio Sen. JD Vance (R). ..


    PB righties reaction - Trump’s race baiting is genius.

    Oh FFS. Most children have developed a theory of mind by the age of 3.
    'Rumor'?
  • mercatormercator Posts: 815
    stodge said:

    mercator said:

    stodge said:

    mercator said:

    Just dipped into Trump Central, the blog formerly known as politicalbetting.com

    Good grief, dipping out again.

    Because Tinkerbell Harris will fly into the White House if everyone in the audience claps their hands and says they believe in fairies, but drop down dead if some wicked ogre says they reckon Trump is in with a shout?
    Seriously? This is just demented nonsense.

    The election remains wide open and we know US polling is not without its flaws. Why are those who mention anything positive about Trump so hyper-sensitive?

    He could win, he might win - he might lose, he could lose.
    Because morons, a class which I am sure does not include you, visit the site, see posts which tentatively suggest that Trump might win, and say moronic things. It's soooo tedious having to explain that saying that Trump might derive some benefit from the Springfield thing, does not imply liking trump or hating cats and Haitians. Without any exaggeration at all, it's like me saying Hitler's rise to power was helped by the Jewish blood libel, and having a chorus of invertebrates saying Hur Hur, nazi-loving antisemite.

    I hate trump, I desperately want him to lose, I have made a stack of money backing Harris before senile Joe dropped out, (and have now cashed out). But I find it disturbing that I live on the same planet as people who are incapable of understanding that I expect a thing to happen does not imply I want that thing to happen.
    Indeed but separating the politically engaged from the politically disengaged is where this falls down. Those of us who understand politics can argue the "Springfield thing" "might" help Trump or rather see a way in which it could but that's true of almost any sentence in the English language.

    Those whose political engagement is more fleeting and those whose political analysis comes from the spinning of others see a comment where Trump has claimed Haitian immigrants are eating pets and if that doesn't resonate with their experience it sounds ridiculous.

    Some are trying to defend Trump's comment by claiming it is rooted in fact - perhaps it is - but we all know "facts" and "perceptions" are two different things. Do people generally believe immigrants are eating pets? I suspect not - I suspect the same would be true here if Lee Anderson or Nigel Farage were to make a similar claim. It's probably easy to find some evidence it might be true but it doesn't "sound" right or possible.

    It comes down to politics by scapegoating - let's blame the immigrants for everything that's wrong. They are an easy target - it's the dark side of populist politics. Let's blame "the blob", the "Deep State" etc, etc.
    Sure. I would not get on a soapbox in the US or the UK, nor post on potentially viral UK media, to say that Trump might benefit from the Springfield claim. But I would like to think PB was niche enough that one could afford to discuss the actual facts.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,488

    Who's having the shitter time? @Leon in North America, or @RochdalePioneers trying to convince himself the LD conference is fun?

    There are probably orgies at the LibDem conference. I mean, gross ones, but still.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    edited September 14

    Who's having the shitter time? @Leon in North America, or @RochdalePioneers trying to convince himself the LD conference is fun?

    I think we established that it’s all down to a couple of AIs that contacted alien intelligence, went loopy, then incarnated as voodoo gods on the internet. And the undead avatar of a Finnish illegal tech seller.

    Edit: just realised as I wrote that, it’s the best explanation for U.K. politics in recent years.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,661
     

    Interesting to see the number of EU flags at the last night of the proms. They possibly outnumber the union jacks.

    That's not interesting. It's been going on for years now.

    They set up a Remoaner stall outside the Albert Hall every time now and hand them out for free to "celebrate our European musicians".

    They find a willing audience because most who go are well-off, internationalist, liberal urbanites, and many aren't even British at all.
    I'm a brexiteer but I'd wave an EU flag if handed one. What the hell, we've left

  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,677
    DavidL said:

    Trump doubling down on the loony tunes stuff: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/13/trump-trudeau-castro-conspiracy-00179118

    Now claiming that Justin Trudeau is Fidel Castro's son. Canadians are a bit underwhelmed.

    Uhm, that long-lasting rumour is not entirely insubstantiated

    Some timelines fit, it is alleged. Margaret Trudeau has made slightly odd remarks - she certainly met and liked Castro, and she had many affairs. Also, Justin Trudeau quite closely resembles the younger Fidel

    However - as with the Hewitt/Chuck rumours - Justin T also resembles Pierre Trudeau, his presumed father

    It's a delicious conspiracy theory for that reason. It's not QAnon land, there is some basis on which you can enjoyably speculate

    I wonder if this is Trump's latest shtick - trot out plausible conspiracy stuff, to distract from his many failings elsewhere

    Doesn't feel like an election winning strategy, but it is a diverting one
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,355
    carnforth said:

    Who's having the shitter time? @Leon in North America, or @RochdalePioneers trying to convince himself the LD conference is fun?

    There are probably orgies at the LibDem conference. I mean, gross ones, but still.
    They keep their sandals on...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,677

    Who's having the shitter time? @Leon in North America, or @RochdalePioneers trying to convince himself the LD conference is fun?

    At least I'm not paying for this, however yeah this is not the best gig I've done. I guess it was my time for a bad 'un, I've had a decent sequence of excellent trips til now

    The Okanagan is not horrible, it is pleasant and sometimes rather pretty, at other times the urban dreck is dispiriting. It is Meh with a side of Nice

    But it's a fucking long way to come for "nice"
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,355
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I trust everyone's watching the Last Night of the Proms.

    Nah. Strictly

    And eating blackberry and apple crumble made from my own produce.
    The first night of Strictly is just dull.

    The Last Night of the Proms? Not so much. Especially as we've arrived at Land of Hope and Glory.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,677
    Have we established where @Theuniondivvie is sporting his excellent shoes?

    Is it really Trump Tower?
  • Who's having the shitter time? @Leon in North America, or @RochdalePioneers trying to convince himself the LD conference is fun?

    Mate, you’re the one in the Self Harm party with a coming conference to listen to a list of unelectable wazzocks plying for the votes of a membership disconnected from reality and sanity.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I trust everyone's watching the Last Night of the Proms.

    Nah. Strictly

    And eating blackberry and apple crumble made from my own produce.
    The first night of Strictly is just dull.

    The Last Night of the Proms? Not so much. Especially as we've arrived at Land of Hope and Glory.
    Which should be the national anthem. It’s such a cracking tune.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,661
    wider still and wider
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480

    Who's having the shitter time? @Leon in North America, or @RochdalePioneers trying to convince himself the LD conference is fun?

    I suspect the LD conference is rather joyous. The most MPs in a century does rather cheer up a party.

    Compare and contrast with the blue meanies.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706

    carnforth said:

    Who's having the shitter time? @Leon in North America, or @RochdalePioneers trying to convince himself the LD conference is fun?

    There are probably orgies at the LibDem conference. I mean, gross ones, but still.
    They keep their sandals on...
    And their socks.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,661
    Foxy said:

    Who's having the shitter time? @Leon in North America, or @RochdalePioneers trying to convince himself the LD conference is fun?

    I suspect the LD conference is rather joyous. The most MPs in a century does rather cheer up a party.

    Compare and contrast with the blue meanies.
    Civic and joyous … yah!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,165
    "Labour was 24 hours from telling police: no more arrests

    Forces warned the justice system could collapse, with dangerous offenders being released from custody and an ‘unendurable risk to public safety’

    Tim Shipman"

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/early-prisoner-release-labour-tories-0t5smrplf
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I trust everyone's watching the Last Night of the Proms.

    Nah. Strictly

    And eating blackberry and apple crumble made from my own produce.
    The first night of Strictly is just dull.

    The Last Night of the Proms? Not so much. Especially as we've arrived at Land of Hope and Glory.
    Yeah, but I have always found it tedious and never liked the music.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,551

    Good evening from the LD Fringe. I am working on drinking (free bar) at @Casino_Royale ’s command. As for the other thing, I am a married man…

    What a great evening! The rally was joyous. Now free bars. And the hotel has provided a complimentary bottle of wine in my bedroom with two glasses.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,488
    edited September 14
    Leon said:

    Have we established where @Theuniondivvie is sporting his excellent shoes?

    Is it really Trump Tower?

    "Trump" is what I could read on the computer screen. Maybe it's the golf course in Scotland. But what of the "up and down" clue?

    I fear my post where I guessed insulted the poor chap.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,488
    Barnesian said:

    Good evening from the LD Fringe. I am working on drinking (free bar) at @Casino_Royale ’s command. As for the other thing, I am a married man…

    What a great evening! The rally was joyous. Now free bars. And the hotel has provided a complimentary bottle of wine in my bedroom with two glasses.
    Double vision sweetie. Only one glass.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401

    Andy_JS said:

    I trust everyone's watching the Last Night of the Proms. 😊

    Yep. I try and watch and listen to all the Prom concerts though the summer and The Last Night for me marks the start of autumn and my Sacred Season.
    What's with the EU flags? During Elgar?

  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,695

    Interesting to see the number of EU flags at the last night of the proms. They possibly outnumber the union jacks.

    That's not interesting. It's been going on for years now.

    They set up a Remoaner stall outside the Albert Hall every time now and hand them out for free to "celebrate our European musicians".

    They find a willing audience because most who go are well-off, internationalist, liberal urbanites, and many aren't even British at all.
    I doubt many aren't British as to get a ticket you have to be a promenader so that seems unlikely.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,677
    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Have we established where @Theuniondivvie is sporting his excellent shoes?

    Is it really Trump Tower?

    "Trump" is what I could read on the computer screen. Maybe it's the golf course in Scotland. But what of the "up and down" clue?

    I fear my post where I guessed insulted the poor chap.
    The golf course makes sense, at least in proximity. But has it been rebuilty severally? Why the baby blanket? Trump's Scotch ancestry?

    My guess of "Claridges" makes no sense when I look at the shabby state of the grey carpet on the right
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,488

    Andy_JS said:

    I trust everyone's watching the Last Night of the Proms. 😊

    Yep. I try and watch and listen to all the Prom concerts though the summer and The Last Night for me marks the start of autumn and my Sacred Season.
    What's with the EU flags? During Elgar?

    https://x.com/EUFlagsTeam
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401

    Who's having the shitter time? @Leon in North America, or @RochdalePioneers trying to convince himself the LD conference is fun?

    Gotta be @Leon

    He could be in Camden now, strolling down some canal side or other, several gins and red wines to the good, glorying in the multicultural triumph of 21st century London and enjoying bonhomie of the scant dressed young folk on a balmy early autumn eve.

    Instead he is driving 200 miles across a desert no one knew existed to a Tim Horton.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,488

    Who's having the shitter time? @Leon in North America, or @RochdalePioneers trying to convince himself the LD conference is fun?

    Gotta be @Leon

    He could be in Camden now, strolling down some canal side or other, several gins and red wines to the good, glorying in the multicultural triumph of 21st century London and enjoying bonhomie of the scant dressed young folk on a balmy early autumn eve.

    Instead he is driving 200 miles across a desert no one knew existed to a Tim Horton.
    There are, by the way, about 80 Tim Hortons in the UK. None near here, but I went to the Gloucester one on the way to somewhere else. Cracking value breakfasts.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    Good for Starmer. Excellent and long overdue news :

    Jack Surfleet
    @jacksurfleet
    ·
    1h
    The Mail on Sunday: Assisted dying bill set to be 'rushed into law'
    #TomorrowsPapersToday

    https://x.com/jacksurfleet
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,661
    Not sure Blake's irony hits the spot at TLNotP
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,488

    Good for Starmer. Excellent and long overdue news :

    Jack Surfleet
    @jacksurfleet
    ·
    1h
    The Mail on Sunday: Assisted dying bill set to be 'rushed into law'
    #TomorrowsPapersToday

    https://x.com/jacksurfleet

    Only if someone is certified as having less than six months to live? Bit useless for degenerative diseases, surely?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    edited September 14
    carnforth said:

    Who's having the shitter time? @Leon in North America, or @RochdalePioneers trying to convince himself the LD conference is fun?

    Gotta be @Leon

    He could be in Camden now, strolling down some canal side or other, several gins and red wines to the good, glorying in the multicultural triumph of 21st century London and enjoying bonhomie of the scant dressed young folk on a balmy early autumn eve.

    Instead he is driving 200 miles across a desert no one knew existed to a Tim Horton.
    There are, by the way, about 80 Tim Hortons in the UK. None near here, but I went to the Gloucester one on the way to somewhere else. Cracking value breakfasts.
    I had no idea.

    Seems my nearest might be Derby.


    Edit: There's TWO in Leicester @Foxy
  • Barnesian said:

    Good evening from the LD Fringe. I am working on drinking (free bar) at @Casino_Royale ’s command. As for the other thing, I am a married man…

    What a great evening! The rally was joyous. Now free bars. And the hotel has provided a complimentary bottle of wine in my bedroom with two glasses.
    We must meet at some point!
  • carnforth said:

    Who's having the shitter time? @Leon in North America, or @RochdalePioneers trying to convince himself the LD conference is fun?

    Gotta be @Leon

    He could be in Camden now, strolling down some canal side or other, several gins and red wines to the good, glorying in the multicultural triumph of 21st century London and enjoying bonhomie of the scant dressed young folk on a balmy early autumn eve.

    Instead he is driving 200 miles across a desert no one knew existed to a Tim Horton.
    There are, by the way, about 80 Tim Hortons in the UK. None near here, but I went to the Gloucester one on the way to somewhere else. Cracking value breakfasts.
    I had no idea.

    Seems my nearest might be Derby.


    Edit: There's TWO in Leicester @Foxy
    Lakeside, Thurrock!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    carnforth said:

    Good for Starmer. Excellent and long overdue news :

    Jack Surfleet
    @jacksurfleet
    ·
    1h
    The Mail on Sunday: Assisted dying bill set to be 'rushed into law'
    #TomorrowsPapersToday

    https://x.com/jacksurfleet

    Only if someone is certified as having less than six months to live? Bit useless for degenerative diseases, surely?
    Depends on the degenerative illness I guess.

    It's going to be a fascinating debate with a very new HoC and very different membership.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401

    carnforth said:

    Who's having the shitter time? @Leon in North America, or @RochdalePioneers trying to convince himself the LD conference is fun?

    Gotta be @Leon

    He could be in Camden now, strolling down some canal side or other, several gins and red wines to the good, glorying in the multicultural triumph of 21st century London and enjoying bonhomie of the scant dressed young folk on a balmy early autumn eve.

    Instead he is driving 200 miles across a desert no one knew existed to a Tim Horton.
    There are, by the way, about 80 Tim Hortons in the UK. None near here, but I went to the Gloucester one on the way to somewhere else. Cracking value breakfasts.
    I had no idea.

    Seems my nearest might be Derby.


    Edit: There's TWO in Leicester @Foxy
    Lakeside, Thurrock!
    You gotta go. PB needs a report.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706
    geoffw said:

    Not sure Blake's irony hits the spot at TLNotP

    The words are weird but the tune is brilliant.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,677

    Who's having the shitter time? @Leon in North America, or @RochdalePioneers trying to convince himself the LD conference is fun?

    Gotta be @Leon

    He could be in Camden now, strolling down some canal side or other, several gins and red wines to the good, glorying in the multicultural triumph of 21st century London and enjoying bonhomie of the scant dressed young folk on a balmy early autumn eve.

    Instead he is driving 200 miles across a desert no one knew existed to a Tim Horton.
    On the upside it is so boring I have redrafted one Knapper's Gazette article and completely written another. Productive
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,488

    carnforth said:

    Good for Starmer. Excellent and long overdue news :

    Jack Surfleet
    @jacksurfleet
    ·
    1h
    The Mail on Sunday: Assisted dying bill set to be 'rushed into law'
    #TomorrowsPapersToday

    https://x.com/jacksurfleet

    Only if someone is certified as having less than six months to live? Bit useless for degenerative diseases, surely?
    Depends on the degenerative illness I guess.

    It's going to be a fascinating debate with a very new HoC and very different membership.
    Worth watching the debates in the Lords too, I would think.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,153

    Good for Starmer. Excellent and long overdue news :

    Jack Surfleet
    @jacksurfleet
    ·
    1h
    The Mail on Sunday: Assisted dying bill set to be 'rushed into law'
    #TomorrowsPapersToday

    https://x.com/jacksurfleet

    "rushed into law" raises alarm bells. I can't think of many laws that have been "rushed" that don't end in tears,,,
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,661
    DavidL said:

    geoffw said:

    Not sure Blake's irony hits the spot at TLNotP

    The words are weird but the tune is brilliant.
    The lyric is good. It has layers

  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,424
    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Have we established where @Theuniondivvie is sporting his excellent shoes?

    Is it really Trump Tower?

    "Trump" is what I could read on the computer screen. Maybe it's the golf course in Scotland. But what of the "up and down" clue?

    I fear my post where I guessed insulted the poor chap.
    The golf course makes sense, at least in proximity. But has it been rebuilty severally? Why the baby blanket? Trump's Scotch ancestry?

    My guess of "Claridges" makes no sense when I look at the shabby state of the grey carpet on the right
    My only contribution is that I think the floor is limestone with slate.
  • Dunno why @Casino_Royale has such a boner for me and the LD conference. I’m at a party conference where we’ve just had our best result in a century and have loads of ideas for a better future.

    His party have just has their worst result in 2 centuries and gather together in hate in a few weeks to have the remaining 4 morons spout unelectable bollox to the assembled member trying to cosplay Farage for who can be the nastiest and most unelectable.

    I’m not to blame for the catastrophic demise of the Tories. He is.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231
    geoffw said:

     

    Interesting to see the number of EU flags at the last night of the proms. They possibly outnumber the union jacks.

    That's not interesting. It's been going on for years now.

    They set up a Remoaner stall outside the Albert Hall every time now and hand them out for free to "celebrate our European musicians".

    They find a willing audience because most who go are well-off, internationalist, liberal urbanites, and many aren't even British at all.
    I'm a brexiteer but I'd wave an EU flag if handed one. What the hell, we've left

    I wouldn't. I love continental Europe dearly but the Last Night of the Proms is the one time when you're allowed unashamedly to celebrate being British (or you were). I'd ask for 20 for friends and family then put them in a nearby bin.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    Leon said:

    Who's having the shitter time? @Leon in North America, or @RochdalePioneers trying to convince himself the LD conference is fun?

    Gotta be @Leon

    He could be in Camden now, strolling down some canal side or other, several gins and red wines to the good, glorying in the multicultural triumph of 21st century London and enjoying bonhomie of the scant dressed young folk on a balmy early autumn eve.

    Instead he is driving 200 miles across a desert no one knew existed to a Tim Horton.
    On the upside it is so boring I have redrafted one Knapper's Gazette article and completely written another. Productive
    Excellent.

    "Canada. Is it the most boring country on earth?"
  • carnforth said:

    Who's having the shitter time? @Leon in North America, or @RochdalePioneers trying to convince himself the LD conference is fun?

    Gotta be @Leon

    He could be in Camden now, strolling down some canal side or other, several gins and red wines to the good, glorying in the multicultural triumph of 21st century London and enjoying bonhomie of the scant dressed young folk on a balmy early autumn eve.

    Instead he is driving 200 miles across a desert no one knew existed to a Tim Horton.
    There are, by the way, about 80 Tim Hortons in the UK. None near here, but I went to the Gloucester one on the way to somewhere else. Cracking value breakfasts.
    I had no idea.

    Seems my nearest might be Derby.


    Edit: There's TWO in Leicester @Foxy
    Lakeside, Thurrock!
    You gotta go. PB needs a report.
    Plenty of Vegan and veggie options :)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706
    So BBC news starts with the alleged assault of a woman by a man who was released today and then goes into the WFA once again. Government is proving tougher than mocking an inept and dysfunctional administration before the election.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,488

    Dunno why @Casino_Royale has such a boner for me and the LD conference. I’m at a party conference where we’ve just had our best result in a century and have loads of ideas for a better future.

    His party have just has their worst result in 2 centuries and gather together in hate in a few weeks to have the remaining 4 morons spout unelectable bollox to the assembled member trying to cosplay Farage for who can be the nastiest and most unelectable.

    I’m not to blame for the catastrophic demise of the Tories. He is.

    Do your new Lib Dem friends know about your Great Sin of 2016? If so, what is their reaction? Are you the prodigal son?

    (I kid, enjoy the conference.)
  • carnforth said:

    Dunno why @Casino_Royale has such a boner for me and the LD conference. I’m at a party conference where we’ve just had our best result in a century and have loads of ideas for a better future.

    His party have just has their worst result in 2 centuries and gather together in hate in a few weeks to have the remaining 4 morons spout unelectable bollox to the assembled member trying to cosplay Farage for who can be the nastiest and most unelectable.

    I’m not to blame for the catastrophic demise of the Tories. He is.

    Do your new Lib Dem friends know about your Great Sin of 2016? If so, what is their reaction? Are you the prodigal son?

    (I kid, enjoy the conference.)
    I’m hardly the only one. Besides, this is the LibDems. Campaigning against ourselves is practically a legal requirement
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231

    Good for Starmer. Excellent and long overdue news :

    Jack Surfleet
    @jacksurfleet
    ·
    1h
    The Mail on Sunday: Assisted dying bill set to be 'rushed into law'
    #TomorrowsPapersToday

    https://x.com/jacksurfleet

    Set to be extremely popular in Starmer's Britain I should think.

    I was amused earlier to see Rachel Reeves has attracted the soubriquet Rachel Freeze.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231

    carnforth said:

    Who's having the shitter time? @Leon in North America, or @RochdalePioneers trying to convince himself the LD conference is fun?

    Gotta be @Leon

    He could be in Camden now, strolling down some canal side or other, several gins and red wines to the good, glorying in the multicultural triumph of 21st century London and enjoying bonhomie of the scant dressed young folk on a balmy early autumn eve.

    Instead he is driving 200 miles across a desert no one knew existed to a Tim Horton.
    There are, by the way, about 80 Tim Hortons in the UK. None near here, but I went to the Gloucester one on the way to somewhere else. Cracking value breakfasts.
    I had no idea.

    Seems my nearest might be Derby.


    Edit: There's TWO in Leicester @Foxy
    Lakeside, Thurrock!
    You gotta go. PB needs a report.
    Plenty of Vegan and veggie options :)
    Nobody's perfect.
  • DavidL said:

    So BBC news starts with the alleged assault of a woman by a man who was released today and then goes into the WFA once again. Government is proving tougher than mocking an inept and dysfunctional administration before the election.

    Sky exactly the same
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,661
    Ha! Strictly contestants are now chaperoned, says the BBC
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    BBC News: "Sir Keir Starmer has said that the cut to winter fuel allowance was necessary to stabilise the economy"

    Really?

    Has he said this?

    If so, it is utter bollocks.

    No one in the bond markets gives a shit about WFA.

  • GIN1138 said:

    Good for Starmer. Excellent and long overdue news :

    Jack Surfleet
    @jacksurfleet
    ·
    1h
    The Mail on Sunday: Assisted dying bill set to be 'rushed into law'
    #TomorrowsPapersToday

    https://x.com/jacksurfleet

    "rushed into law" raises alarm bells. I can't think of many laws that have been "rushed" that don't end in tears,,,
    It has its merits but needs strong safeguards and the consent of a reluctant medical fraternity and even Starmer's own justice secretary
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,488

    carnforth said:

    Who's having the shitter time? @Leon in North America, or @RochdalePioneers trying to convince himself the LD conference is fun?

    Gotta be @Leon

    He could be in Camden now, strolling down some canal side or other, several gins and red wines to the good, glorying in the multicultural triumph of 21st century London and enjoying bonhomie of the scant dressed young folk on a balmy early autumn eve.

    Instead he is driving 200 miles across a desert no one knew existed to a Tim Horton.
    There are, by the way, about 80 Tim Hortons in the UK. None near here, but I went to the Gloucester one on the way to somewhere else. Cracking value breakfasts.
    I had no idea.

    Seems my nearest might be Derby.


    Edit: There's TWO in Leicester @Foxy
    Lakeside, Thurrock!
    You gotta go. PB needs a report.
    Plenty of Vegan and veggie options :)
    Nobody's perfect.
    They're famous for doughnuts and coffee. Vegan isn't too hard there.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,165
    No comments on the report that Labour were 24 hours from telling the police not to arrest anyone?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,153

    Good for Starmer. Excellent and long overdue news :

    Jack Surfleet
    @jacksurfleet
    ·
    1h
    The Mail on Sunday: Assisted dying bill set to be 'rushed into law'
    #TomorrowsPapersToday

    https://x.com/jacksurfleet

    Set to be extremely popular in Starmer's Britain I should think.

    I was amused earlier to see Rachel Reeves has attracted the soubriquet Rachel Freeze.
    If the cold don't get the oldies, their money-grabbing relatives will...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,895
    For a decade now, independence has been the hammer to make every difficulty, every choice, every prescription a nail. At least twice a year, Sturgeon would announce a fresh constitutional initiative, rallying her clans for the final push towards national emancipation. And at least twice a year, that drive would lead precisely nowhere. The people, whatever their merits, were unmoved; the people let their government down.

    All governments eventually suffer from a kind of mental fatigue, and Sturgeon’s was no exception. The SNP has been Scotland’s dominant election-winning force since 2007. At the next Holyrood election, it will be asking for a third decade in office. Though the Scottish people are as divided on their constitutional future as ever — this is now an assumed normal in Scottish affairs — there are signs that they are tiring of the Nationalists.


    https://www.thetimes.com/article/7b2b4022-6e4d-40b0-8a99-49fd5bd1b5e7

  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,488

    BBC News: "Sir Keir Starmer has said that the cut to winter fuel allowance was necessary to stabilise the economy"

    Really?

    Has he said this?

    If so, it is utter bollocks.

    No one in the bond markets gives a shit about WFA.

    Labour politicians allege the Treasury told them that. Given the marginal impact, I suspect they said "measures such as...." or it's a lie.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    GIN1138 said:

    Good for Starmer. Excellent and long overdue news :

    Jack Surfleet
    @jacksurfleet
    ·
    1h
    The Mail on Sunday: Assisted dying bill set to be 'rushed into law'
    #TomorrowsPapersToday

    https://x.com/jacksurfleet

    "rushed into law" raises alarm bells. I can't think of many laws that have been "rushed" that don't end in tears,,,
    There have been god knows how many debates on this over the years. Often in the Lords rather than Commons.

    The "rushed" bit sounds like tabloid bollocks frankly.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,165

    BBC News: "Sir Keir Starmer has said that the cut to winter fuel allowance was necessary to stabilise the economy"

    Really?

    Has he said this?

    If so, it is utter bollocks.

    No one in the bond markets gives a shit about WFA.

    Isn't plugging the £22 billion hole in the national finances important to the bond markets? I thought that was the sort of thing that sunk Truss's government.
  • BBC News: "Sir Keir Starmer has said that the cut to winter fuel allowance was necessary to stabilise the economy"

    Really?

    Has he said this?

    If so, it is utter bollocks.

    No one in the bond markets gives a shit about WFA.

    Liz Kendall has widely been panned for saying it was needed to prevent a run on the pound
  • BBC News: "Sir Keir Starmer has said that the cut to winter fuel allowance was necessary to stabilise the economy"

    Really?

    Has he said this?

    If so, it is utter bollocks.

    No one in the bond markets gives a shit about WFA.

    It’s petty and pointless. Ok, cut the payment from mega rich pensioners if you can. But if the cost is shagging poor pensioners just above the hard cut line? Whither humanity.
  • carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Who's having the shitter time? @Leon in North America, or @RochdalePioneers trying to convince himself the LD conference is fun?

    Gotta be @Leon

    He could be in Camden now, strolling down some canal side or other, several gins and red wines to the good, glorying in the multicultural triumph of 21st century London and enjoying bonhomie of the scant dressed young folk on a balmy early autumn eve.

    Instead he is driving 200 miles across a desert no one knew existed to a Tim Horton.
    There are, by the way, about 80 Tim Hortons in the UK. None near here, but I went to the Gloucester one on the way to somewhere else. Cracking value breakfasts.
    I had no idea.

    Seems my nearest might be Derby.


    Edit: There's TWO in Leicester @Foxy
    Lakeside, Thurrock!
    You gotta go. PB needs a report.
    Plenty of Vegan and veggie options :)
    Nobody's perfect.
    They're famous for doughnuts and coffee. Vegan isn't too hard there.
    I was in Manc last Saturday and must have walked right past the Tim's on Market Street :grimace:
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,661

    GIN1138 said:

    Good for Starmer. Excellent and long overdue news :

    Jack Surfleet
    @jacksurfleet
    ·
    1h
    The Mail on Sunday: Assisted dying bill set to be 'rushed into law'
    #TomorrowsPapersToday

    https://x.com/jacksurfleet

    "rushed into law" raises alarm bells. I can't think of many laws that have been "rushed" that don't end in tears,,,
    It has its merits but needs strong safeguards and the consent of a reluctant medical fraternity and even Starmer's own justice secretary
    Yeah, and "rushed into law" is just fine. Shows they're "working at pace" …

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    DavidL said:

    So BBC news starts with the alleged assault of a woman by a man who was released today and then goes into the WFA once again. Government is proving tougher than mocking an inept and dysfunctional administration before the election.

    WFA was a total and utter unforced error by a rookie CoE.

    The prisons fuck up is totally the responsibility of last administration.

    What alternative did they have?
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,314

    geoffw said:

     

    Interesting to see the number of EU flags at the last night of the proms. They possibly outnumber the union jacks.

    That's not interesting. It's been going on for years now.

    They set up a Remoaner stall outside the Albert Hall every time now and hand them out for free to "celebrate our European musicians".

    They find a willing audience because most who go are well-off, internationalist, liberal urbanites, and many aren't even British at all.
    I'm a brexiteer but I'd wave an EU flag if handed one. What the hell, we've left

    I wouldn't. I love continental Europe dearly but the Last Night of the Proms is the one time when you're allowed unashamedly to celebrate being British (or you were). I'd ask for 20 for friends and family then put them in a nearby bin.
    Seems a bit harsh to put your friends and family in a bin because of a few flags.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231

    Dunno why @Casino_Royale has such a boner for me and the LD conference. I’m at a party conference where we’ve just had our best result in a century and have loads of ideas for a better future.

    His party have just has their worst result in 2 centuries and gather together in hate in a few weeks to have the remaining 4 morons spout unelectable bollox to the assembled member trying to cosplay Farage for who can be the nastiest and most unelectable.

    I’m not to blame for the catastrophic demise of the Tories. He is.

    Possibly a bit gamey to talk about 'unelectable' when your party got 12.1% of the vote, despite the best efforts of the twat on a trampoline, behind both the unelectable Tories on 23.6% and the unelectable Farage on 14.3% of the vote.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231

    geoffw said:

     

    Interesting to see the number of EU flags at the last night of the proms. They possibly outnumber the union jacks.

    That's not interesting. It's been going on for years now.

    They set up a Remoaner stall outside the Albert Hall every time now and hand them out for free to "celebrate our European musicians".

    They find a willing audience because most who go are well-off, internationalist, liberal urbanites, and many aren't even British at all.
    I'm a brexiteer but I'd wave an EU flag if handed one. What the hell, we've left

    I wouldn't. I love continental Europe dearly but the Last Night of the Proms is the one time when you're allowed unashamedly to celebrate being British (or you were). I'd ask for 20 for friends and family then put them in a nearby bin.
    Seems a bit harsh to put your friends and family in a bin because of a few flags.
    :lol:
  • Andy_JS said:

    BBC News: "Sir Keir Starmer has said that the cut to winter fuel allowance was necessary to stabilise the economy"

    Really?

    Has he said this?

    If so, it is utter bollocks.

    No one in the bond markets gives a shit about WFA.

    Isn't plugging the £22 billion hole in the national finances important to the bond markets? I thought that was the sort of thing that sunk Truss's government.
    Then moderate the pay increase to train drivers
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,488

    DavidL said:

    So BBC news starts with the alleged assault of a woman by a man who was released today and then goes into the WFA once again. Government is proving tougher than mocking an inept and dysfunctional administration before the election.

    WFA was a total and utter unforced error by a rookie CoE.

    The prisons fuck up is totally the responsibility of last administration.

    What alternative did they have?
    The tories did call in planning permission decisions on prisons and overrule them:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-68992011.amp

    Apparently not enough or early enough though.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,723
    stodge said:

    mercator said:

    stodge said:

    mercator said:

    Just dipped into Trump Central, the blog formerly known as politicalbetting.com

    Good grief, dipping out again.

    Because Tinkerbell Harris will fly into the White House if everyone in the audience claps their hands and says they believe in fairies, but drop down dead if some wicked ogre says they reckon Trump is in with a shout?
    Seriously? This is just demented nonsense.

    The election remains wide open and we know US polling is not without its flaws. Why are those who mention anything positive about Trump so hyper-sensitive?

    He could win, he might win - he might lose, he could lose.
    Because morons, a class which I am sure does not include you, visit the site, see posts which tentatively suggest that Trump might win, and say moronic things. It's soooo tedious having to explain that saying that Trump might derive some benefit from the Springfield thing, does not imply liking trump or hating cats and Haitians. Without any exaggeration at all, it's like me saying Hitler's rise to power was helped by the Jewish blood libel, and having a chorus of invertebrates saying Hur Hur, nazi-loving antisemite.

    I hate trump, I desperately want him to lose, I have made a stack of money backing Harris before senile Joe dropped out, (and have now cashed out). But I find it disturbing that I live on the same planet as people who are incapable of understanding that I expect a thing to happen does not imply I want that thing to happen.
    Indeed but separating the politically engaged from the politically disengaged is where this falls down. Those of us who understand politics can argue the "Springfield thing" "might" help Trump or rather see a way in which it could but that's true of almost any sentence in the English language.

    Those whose political engagement is more fleeting and those whose political analysis comes from the spinning of others see a comment where Trump has claimed Haitian immigrants are eating pets and if that doesn't resonate with their experience it sounds ridiculous.

    Some are trying to defend Trump's comment by claiming it is rooted in fact - perhaps it is - but we all know "facts" and "perceptions" are two different things. Do people generally believe immigrants are eating pets? I suspect not - I suspect the same would be true here if Lee Anderson or Nigel Farage were to make a similar claim. It's probably easy to find some evidence it might be true but it doesn't "sound" right or possible.

    It comes down to politics by scapegoating - let's blame the immigrants for everything that's wrong. They are an easy target - it's the dark side of populist politics. Let's blame "the blob", the "Deep State" etc, etc.
    The basic point is surely that such populist scapegoating can and does work, providing you do it with a modicum of skill ands sanity. Trump's problem, which is more acute than 2016, is that he sounds like the lunatic shouting at pigeons in the street when he does it. Repeating the most ludicrous thing he's seen online in a rambling rant.

    It's like on Covid. There were and are legitimate questions about the US medical establishment's response. Trump by and large discredited that side of the argument by sounding like a fruitcake who wanted people to drink bleach.

    Trump lost in 2020 not because of a rejection of populism, but because the median American was sick of the drama. If he loses this time it will likely be for the same reason.
  • Dunno why @Casino_Royale has such a boner for me and the LD conference. I’m at a party conference where we’ve just had our best result in a century and have loads of ideas for a better future.

    His party have just has their worst result in 2 centuries and gather together in hate in a few weeks to have the remaining 4 morons spout unelectable bollox to the assembled member trying to cosplay Farage for who can be the nastiest and most unelectable.

    I’m not to blame for the catastrophic demise of the Tories. He is.

    Possibly a bit gamey to talk about 'unelectable' when your party got 12.1% of the vote, despite the best efforts of the twat on a trampoline, behind both the unelectable Tories on 23.6% and the unelectable Farage on 14.3% of the vote.
    Gamey? I’d change the game in a heartbeat it is what it is - and we won 72 times vs how many FUKers?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513

    Who's having the shitter time? @Leon in North America, or @RochdalePioneers trying to convince himself the LD conference is fun?

    At least they’re not all pensioners.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231

    DavidL said:

    So BBC news starts with the alleged assault of a woman by a man who was released today and then goes into the WFA once again. Government is proving tougher than mocking an inept and dysfunctional administration before the election.

    WFA was a total and utter unforced error by a rookie CoE.

    The prisons fuck up is totally the responsibility of last administration.

    What alternative did they have?
    Personally, I theorise it was Starmer more than Reeves. I think she likes to play the iron Chancellor but it 'feels' like a Starmer thing - I can't see him allowing her to freelance like this, this early on.
  • Dunno why @Casino_Royale has such a boner for me and the LD conference. I’m at a party conference where we’ve just had our best result in a century and have loads of ideas for a better future.

    His party have just has their worst result in 2 centuries and gather together in hate in a few weeks to have the remaining 4 morons spout unelectable bollox to the assembled member trying to cosplay Farage for who can be the nastiest and most unelectable.

    I’m not to blame for the catastrophic demise of the Tories. He is.

    Possibly a bit gamey to talk about 'unelectable' when your party got 12.1% of the vote, despite the best efforts of the twat on a trampoline, behind both the unelectable Tories on 23.6% and the unelectable Farage on 14.3% of the vote.
    With apologies to EMF:

    "You're Unelectable!"
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,661
    Watching Match of the Day for the first time in years. Villa versus Everton - the uniform movement of defence makes it look just like a game of Subbuteo
  • Starmer backs away from ending the sale of petrol and diesel cars by 2030 allowing hybrid sales until 2035

    Inevitable and another broken promise
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,200
    The government should rule out any changes to the single persons council tax discount . Would they really go ahead with this after having just cut the WFA? And removing the discount would also effect single parents with children under 18 in the household . I personally think changing the discount would be immeasurably cruel and would cause huge anger.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,488
    To be slightly more serious, how is it that the LibDems got 72 seats and the media and the public don't give a shit? An underemarked recent phenomenon.
  • Nunu3Nunu3 Posts: 220
    National Polling Average Update- September 14th Kamala Harris leads by 3 points in the national polling average Only A/B rated pollsters are included

    https://x.com/VoteHubUS/status/1835000791209230621
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,153
    edited September 14

    Starmer backs away from ending the sale of petrol and diesel cars by 2030 allowing hybrid sales until 2035

    Inevitable and another broken promise

    Whenever a politicians rhetoric hits reality there will only ever be one winner...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401

    BBC News: "Sir Keir Starmer has said that the cut to winter fuel allowance was necessary to stabilise the economy"

    Really?

    Has he said this?

    If so, it is utter bollocks.

    No one in the bond markets gives a shit about WFA.

    It’s petty and pointless. Ok, cut the payment from mega rich pensioners if you can. But if the cost is shagging poor pensioners just above the hard cut line? Whither humanity.
    Yep. Brown must be furious.

    There's ways to hit the rich pensioners without doing this.

    They are going to be dealing with this all winter.
  • nico679 said:

    The government should rule out any changes to the single persons council tax discount . Would they really go ahead with this after having just cut the WFA? And removing the discount would also effect single parents with children under 18 in the household . I personally think changing the discount would be immeasurably cruel and would cause huge anger.

    Widows tax on top of the widely attacked loss of WFA from all parties, age organisations, and now by Unite who are putting it to the Labour conference next week would be the Ratner of all Ratners
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl
    ·
    46m
    The preponderance of EU flags at Last Night of the Proms is a depressing reminder of the hyper politicisation of *everything* it’s not surprising much of the public (regardless of their views on Europe) are exhausted by it.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,153
    edited September 14
    nico679 said:

    The government should rule out any changes to the single persons council tax discount . Would they really go ahead with this after having just cut the WFA? And removing the discount would also effect single parents with children under 18 in the household . I personally think changing the discount would be immeasurably cruel and would cause huge anger.

    Not just pensioners effected by this either. Single parents and people (like me) who were carers for sick relatives who have died and who have subsequently been left in the house on their own, would be effected too.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,661

    nico679 said:

    The government should rule out any changes to the single persons council tax discount . Would they really go ahead with this after having just cut the WFA? And removing the discount would also effect single parents with children under 18 in the household . I personally think changing the discount would be immeasurably cruel and would cause huge anger.

    Widows tax on top of the widely attacked loss of WFA from all parties, age organisations, and now by Unite who are putting it to the Labour conference next week would be the Ratner of all Ratners
    Ha! I read that as 'windows tax'. Wouldn't put it past them

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401

    Acyn
    @Acyn
    Tim Walz: Here’s my life hack for all the guys out there: surround yourself with smart women and listen to them and you’ll do just fine. That includes my fellow cat owner Taylor Swift.

    It’s really great to have all of these women help us beat the smallest man in the world.. Donald Trump

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1835057043419676922
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706

    BBC News: "Sir Keir Starmer has said that the cut to winter fuel allowance was necessary to stabilise the economy"

    Really?

    Has he said this?

    If so, it is utter bollocks.

    No one in the bond markets gives a shit about WFA.

    The saving of £1.5bn is less than 0.2% of government spending. I think giving bungs like that to well off pensioners is wrong but the justifications are bordering on the irrational.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,677

    BBC News: "Sir Keir Starmer has said that the cut to winter fuel allowance was necessary to stabilise the economy"

    Really?

    Has he said this?

    If so, it is utter bollocks.

    No one in the bond markets gives a shit about WFA.

    This is absolutely embarrassing now. No one believes this. Just STFU

    Are they panicking? What is this for?
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,118
    nico679 said:

    The government should rule out any changes to the single persons council tax discount . Would they really go ahead with this after having just cut the WFA? And removing the discount would also effect single parents with children under 18 in the household . I personally think changing the discount would be immeasurably cruel and would cause huge anger.

    I think part of the reason the government is in the awkward situation it is currently in is the number of things (and especially revenue raising things) it has already "ruled out". The more they fence themselves in to not changing things the less likely it is they'll be able to fix any of the systemic problems the country has.

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231
    Leon said:

    BBC News: "Sir Keir Starmer has said that the cut to winter fuel allowance was necessary to stabilise the economy"

    Really?

    Has he said this?

    If so, it is utter bollocks.

    No one in the bond markets gives a shit about WFA.

    This is absolutely embarrassing now. No one believes this. Just STFU

    Are they panicking? What is this for?
    Just an absolute turd of a politician.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,165
    Nunu3 said:

    National Polling Average Update- September 14th Kamala Harris leads by 3 points in the national polling average Only A/B rated pollsters are included

    https://x.com/VoteHubUS/status/1835000791209230621

    3 points isn't necessarily enough. Pennsylvania is still neck-and-neck.
  • Leon said:

    BBC News: "Sir Keir Starmer has said that the cut to winter fuel allowance was necessary to stabilise the economy"

    Really?

    Has he said this?

    If so, it is utter bollocks.

    No one in the bond markets gives a shit about WFA.

    This is absolutely embarrassing now. No one believes this. Just STFU

    Are they panicking? What is this for?
    The media are at the Lib Dem conference and all they are talking about is the WFA especially now Unite are raising it at Labour's conference next week.

    The story is simply not going away and is likely to dominate Labour's own conference
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,080
    DavidL said:

    BBC News: "Sir Keir Starmer has said that the cut to winter fuel allowance was necessary to stabilise the economy"

    Really?

    Has he said this?

    If so, it is utter bollocks.

    No one in the bond markets gives a shit about WFA.

    The saving of £1.5bn is less than 0.2% of government spending. I think giving bungs like that to well off pensioners is wrong but the justifications are bordering on the irrational.
    I think it is rightly totemic of being a serious government at what is a difficult time for the country, not to be giving out money unnecessarily. Some of these sums will be modest in themselves, but they add up.

    What's irrational is that WFA survived Osborne's period of austerity.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,165

    DavidL said:

    So BBC news starts with the alleged assault of a woman by a man who was released today and then goes into the WFA once again. Government is proving tougher than mocking an inept and dysfunctional administration before the election.

    WFA was a total and utter unforced error by a rookie CoE.

    The prisons fuck up is totally the responsibility of last administration.

    What alternative did they have?
    Well, hang on, if they can suddenly find places in hotels for asylum seekers, by the same token they could have found places somewhere for prisoners, even if the prisons themselves were full.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,080

    Starmer backs away from ending the sale of petrol and diesel cars by 2030 allowing hybrid sales until 2035

    Inevitable and another broken promise

    Hybrid sales were never part of the intention to stop petrol and diesel sales by 2030. It was always about non-hybrids, with a later cut-off date for hybrids.
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