Can I Tell You a Secret? – politicalbetting.com

TimS said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Tweedledee said:

Nunu5 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Scott_xP said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

@calvinrobinson
Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

Islam is incompatible with British values.

This is a Christian country.
British values are Christian values.

Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702

Who the hell is this guy?

A black man dressed as a priest, but sounds like Tommy Robinson on one of his more islamophobic days. Call me confused.

He got sacked by GB News, tells you everything.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67009045

Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.

Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.

I knew it was the archaic English word for Muslim, but it it inherently offensive? Is it the mention of Mohammed?

Yes.

Muslims consider it offensive as it implies Muslims worship Mohammed (pbuh) rather than Allah.

Kind of like Papist

Tweedledee said:

Nunu5 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Scott_xP said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

@calvinrobinson
Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

Islam is incompatible with British values.

This is a Christian country.
British values are Christian values.

Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702

Who the hell is this guy?

A black man dressed as a priest, but sounds like Tommy Robinson on one of his more islamophobic days. Call me confused.

He got sacked by GB News, tells you everything.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67009045

Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.

Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.

kinabalu said:

Tweedledee said:

Nunu5 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Scott_xP said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

@calvinrobinson
Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

Islam is incompatible with British values.

This is a Christian country.
British values are Christian values.

Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702

Who the hell is this guy?

A black man dressed as a priest, but sounds like Tommy Robinson on one of his more islamophobic days. Call me confused.

He got sacked by GB News, tells you everything.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67009045

Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.

Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.

Reminds me of 'Papist' for Catholic.

rottenborough said:

Democratic senators are beginning to leave from their lunch meeting with senior Biden campaign staff members. Senator Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire was the first one out and said that it was a “strong” presentation from the campaign and that she remained firmly behind the president.

NY Time blog


FFS.

MisterBedfordshire said:

kinabalu said:

Tweedledee said:

Nunu5 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Scott_xP said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

@calvinrobinson
Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

Islam is incompatible with British values.

This is a Christian country.
British values are Christian values.

Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702

Who the hell is this guy?

A black man dressed as a priest, but sounds like Tommy Robinson on one of his more islamophobic days. Call me confused.

He got sacked by GB News, tells you everything.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67009045

Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.

Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.

Reminds me of 'Papist' for Catholic.

Not the same thing at all. Papist was/is a derogatory smear invented after Brexit 1.0

Wesleyan is widely used (including by adherents - even calling their Churches Wesleyan Chapels) and no one thinks they worship the late John Wesley.

No one thinks Lutherans worship the late Martin Luther either.

MisterBedfordshire said:

kinabalu said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

kinabalu said:

Tweedledee said:

Nunu5 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Scott_xP said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

@calvinrobinson
Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

Islam is incompatible with British values.

This is a Christian country.
British values are Christian values.

Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702

Who the hell is this guy?

A black man dressed as a priest, but sounds like Tommy Robinson on one of his more islamophobic days. Call me confused.

He got sacked by GB News, tells you everything.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67009045

Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.

Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.

Reminds me of 'Papist' for Catholic.

Not the same thing at all. Papist was/is a derogatory smear invented after Brexit 1.0

Wesleyan is widely used (including by adherents - even calling their Churches Wesleyan Chapels) and no one thinks they worship the late John Wesley

Yes, like this. That's what I meant. I remember Paisley spitting it out, face contorted with hate and rage.

I have never heard of anyone using the word "Mohammedan" in a derogatory way.

Can't say the same for Islam/Muslim .

Stuartinromford said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

kinabalu said:

Tweedledee said:

Nunu5 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Scott_xP said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

@calvinrobinson
Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

Islam is incompatible with British values.

This is a Christian country.
British values are Christian values.

Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702

Who the hell is this guy?

A black man dressed as a priest, but sounds like Tommy Robinson on one of his more islamophobic days. Call me confused.

He got sacked by GB News, tells you everything.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67009045

Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.

Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.

Reminds me of 'Papist' for Catholic.

Not the same thing at all. Papist was/is a derogatory smear invented after Brexit 1.0

Wesleyan is widely used (including by adherents - even calling their Churches Wesleyan Chapels) and no one thinks they worship the late John Wesley.

No one thinks Lutherans worship the late Martin Luther either.

And that's the core point. Giving people a name that you've chosen, rather than one they have taken ownership of, is just rude.

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

In more important news. Here in Provence it is beautiful and serene and 34C at 7pm

Eeeesh

I like a bit of heat but 34 degrees in the evening is overegging it for me. 25 is ample.

Stuartinromford said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

kinabalu said:

Tweedledee said:

Nunu5 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Scott_xP said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

@calvinrobinson
Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

Islam is incompatible with British values.

This is a Christian country.
British values are Christian values.

Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702

Who the hell is this guy?

A black man dressed as a priest, but sounds like Tommy Robinson on one of his more islamophobic days. Call me confused.

He got sacked by GB News, tells you everything.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67009045

Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.

Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.

Reminds me of 'Papist' for Catholic.

Not the same thing at all. Papist was/is a derogatory smear invented after Brexit 1.0

Wesleyan is widely used (including by adherents - even calling their Churches Wesleyan Chapels) and no one thinks they worship the late John Wesley.

No one thinks Lutherans worship the late Martin Luther either.

And that's the core point. Giving people a name that you've chosen, rather than one they have taken ownership of, is just rude.

Nigelb said:

Btw, I am really enjoying The Whirlwind on Netflix.
Absurd but fun political melodrama, which kicks off with the attempted assassination of the S Korean President.

BartholomewRoberts said:

Two people have been hospitalised after eating lasagne containing horse meat.

Doctors say they're in a stable condition.

Sandpit said:

Tweedledee said:

Malmesbury said:

Andy_JS said:

Nunu5 said:

Should there be a bank holiday if England win Euro 2024?

All Britons
Yes: 39%
No: 51%

18-24 year olds
Yes: 55%
No: 32%

65+ year olds
Yes: 18%
No: 73%

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society

Why are our old people so miserable?

Because there's no such thing as free money perhaps.

There are estimates that a “special”, one off Bank Holiday cost £1.36Bn

Such estimates are generally divide GDP by 365 and that's about it
A lot of assumptions to unpack.

The quarterly GDP figures always include a note as to whether Easter falls in Q1 or Q2. It does make a material difference.

kinabalu said:

williamglenn said:

Stuartinromford said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

kinabalu said:

Tweedledee said:

Nunu5 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Scott_xP said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

@calvinrobinson
Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

Islam is incompatible with British values.

This is a Christian country.
British values are Christian values.

Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702

Who the hell is this guy?

A black man dressed as a priest, but sounds like Tommy Robinson on one of his more islamophobic days. Call me confused.

He got sacked by GB News, tells you everything.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67009045

Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.

Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.

Reminds me of 'Papist' for Catholic.

Not the same thing at all. Papist was/is a derogatory smear invented after Brexit 1.0

Wesleyan is widely used (including by adherents - even calling their Churches Wesleyan Chapels) and no one thinks they worship the late John Wesley.

No one thinks Lutherans worship the late Martin Luther either.

And that's the core point. Giving people a name that you've chosen, rather than one they have taken ownership of, is just rude.

Is it rude to say we are playing the Spanish rather than the Españols?

Better to say we're playing Spain not the Spanish.

TimS said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Tweedledee said:

Nunu5 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Scott_xP said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

@calvinrobinson
Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

Islam is incompatible with British values.

This is a Christian country.
British values are Christian values.

Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702

Who the hell is this guy?

A black man dressed as a priest, but sounds like Tommy Robinson on one of his more islamophobic days. Call me confused.

He got sacked by GB News, tells you everything.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67009045

Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.

Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.

I knew it was the archaic English word for Muslim, but it it inherently offensive? Is it the mention of Mohammed?

Yes.

Muslims consider it offensive as it implies Muslims worship Mohammed (pbuh) rather than Allah.

Kind of like Papist

kinabalu said:

williamglenn said:

Stuartinromford said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

kinabalu said:

Tweedledee said:

Nunu5 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Scott_xP said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

@calvinrobinson
Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

Islam is incompatible with British values.

This is a Christian country.
British values are Christian values.

Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702

Who the hell is this guy?

A black man dressed as a priest, but sounds like Tommy Robinson on one of his more islamophobic days. Call me confused.

He got sacked by GB News, tells you everything.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67009045

Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.

Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.

Reminds me of 'Papist' for Catholic.

Not the same thing at all. Papist was/is a derogatory smear invented after Brexit 1.0

Wesleyan is widely used (including by adherents - even calling their Churches Wesleyan Chapels) and no one thinks they worship the late John Wesley.

No one thinks Lutherans worship the late Martin Luther either.

And that's the core point. Giving people a name that you've chosen, rather than one they have taken ownership of, is just rude.

Is it rude to say we are playing the Spanish rather than the Españols?

Better to say we're playing Spain not the Spanish.

rcs1000 said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Tweedledee said:

rcs1000 said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

bondegezou said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Eabhal said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

Nunu5 said:

https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1811343910754504940

This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.

Idiot.

Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.

He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.

Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?

It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.

The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.

It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.

It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.

But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.

Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.

We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.

Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.

I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.

Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)

But why would that make them more expensive?

You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899

* And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.

Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers

Fertilisers are critical for ensuring people are fed.

But if you want a different sector how about pharmaceuticals? 99% of pharmaceuticals contain petrochemicals, so shut down petrochemicals you shut down the NHS and over the counter the counter medicines too.

Hope you don't need a paracetamol or ibuprofen any time soon, let alone anything more serious.

I remember being at an oil conference about fifteen years ago, and a Canadian E&P executive stood up and said "Oil and gas are so essential for a modern economy that it makes me crazy to think that we just burn the stuff."

Yes, the move towards electric cars is going to reduce the amount of fuel we need, but given how difficult finding entirely new sources of oil is, that's rather good news. Instead of having to replace 5 million barrels a day of production each year, perhaps it's only 1 or 2 million,

Tweedledee said:

geoffw said:

kinabalu said:

williamglenn said:

Stuartinromford said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

kinabalu said:

Tweedledee said:

Nunu5 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Scott_xP said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

@calvinrobinson
Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

Islam is incompatible with British values.

This is a Christian country.
British values are Christian values.

Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702

Who the hell is this guy?

A black man dressed as a priest, but sounds like Tommy Robinson on one of his more islamophobic days. Call me confused.

He got sacked by GB News, tells you everything.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67009045

Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.

Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.

Reminds me of 'Papist' for Catholic.

Not the same thing at all. Papist was/is a derogatory smear invented after Brexit 1.0

Wesleyan is widely used (including by adherents - even calling their Churches Wesleyan Chapels) and no one thinks they worship the late John Wesley.

No one thinks Lutherans worship the late Martin Luther either.

And that's the core point. Giving people a name that you've chosen, rather than one they have taken ownership of, is just rude.

Is it rude to say we are playing the Spanish rather than the Españols?

Better to say we're playing Spain not the Spanish.

A Chinese friend of mine tells me that the expression "Chinaman" is derogatory. Is it? If so I was unaware of it

It is

There's no way of deducing from the word itself if it is offensive or not. Niger just means black. Double the G and bam!

williamglenn said:

Stuartinromford said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

kinabalu said:

Tweedledee said:

Nunu5 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Scott_xP said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

@calvinrobinson
Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a to chair his party. 💷

Islam is incompatible with British values.

This is a Christian country.
British values are Christian values.

Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702

Who the hell is this guy?

A black man dressed as a priest, but sounds like Tommy Robinson on one of his more islamophobic days. Call me confused.

He got sacked by GB News, tells you everything.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67009045

Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.

Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.

Reminds me of 'Papist' for Catholic.

Not the same thing at all. Papist was/is a derogatory smear invented after Brexit 1.0

Wesleyan is widely used (including by adherents - even calling their Churches Wesleyan Chapels) and no one thinks they worship the late John Wesley.

No one thinks Lutherans worship the late Martin Luther either.

And that's the core point. Giving people a name that you've chosen, rather than one they have taken ownership of, is just rude.

Is it rude to say we are playing the Spanish rather than the Españols?

Leon said:

Tweedledee said:

geoffw said:

kinabalu said:

williamglenn said:

Stuartinromford said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

kinabalu said:

Tweedledee said:

Nunu5 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Scott_xP said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

@calvinrobinson
Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

Islam is incompatible with British values.

This is a Christian country.
British values are Christian values.

Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702

Who the hell is this guy?

A black man dressed as a priest, but sounds like Tommy Robinson on one of his more islamophobic days. Call me confused.

He got sacked by GB News, tells you everything.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67009045

Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.

Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.

Reminds me of 'Papist' for Catholic.

Not the same thing at all. Papist was/is a derogatory smear invented after Brexit 1.0

Wesleyan is widely used (including by adherents - even calling their Churches Wesleyan Chapels) and no one thinks they worship the late John Wesley.

No one thinks Lutherans worship the late Martin Luther either.

And that's the core point. Giving people a name that you've chosen, rather than one they have taken ownership of, is just rude.

Is it rude to say we are playing the Spanish rather than the Españols?

Better to say we're playing Spain not the Spanish.

A Chinese friend of mine tells me that the expression "Chinaman" is derogatory. Is it? If so I was unaware of it

It is

There's no way of deducing from the word itself if it is offensive or not. Niger just means black. Double the G and bam!

Niger is an accident waiting to happen, isn't it?

If you aren't aware it is French and has a French pronunciation, and you try to say it? You get sacked

BartholomewRoberts said:

Two people have been hospitalised after eating lasagne containing horse meat.

Doctors say they're in a stable condition.

Stuartinromford said:

Scott_xP said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

@calvinrobinson
Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

Islam is incompatible with British values.

This is a Christian country.
British values are Christian values.

Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702

Whichever bishop it was decided not to ordain Fr Calvin in the Church of England may have had a point.

(TBH, I'm surprised that his theological college didn't manage to pray this out of him.)

Pulpstar said:

Prince William must be relieved at the VAT exemption he'll get for his kids school fees.

rcs1000 said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

rcs1000 said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Tweedledee said:

rcs1000 said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

bondegezou said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Eabhal said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

Nunu5 said:

https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1811343910754504940

This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.

Idiot.

Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.

He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.

Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?

It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.

The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.

It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.

It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.

But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.

Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.

We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.

Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.

I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.

Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)

But why would that make them more expensive?

You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899

* And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.

Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers

Fertilisers are critical for ensuring people are fed.

But if you want a different sector how about pharmaceuticals? 99% of pharmaceuticals contain petrochemicals, so shut down petrochemicals you shut down the NHS and over the counter the counter medicines too.

Hope you don't need a paracetamol or ibuprofen any time soon, let alone anything more serious.

I remember being at an oil conference about fifteen years ago, and a Canadian E&P executive stood up and said "Oil and gas are so essential for a modern economy that it makes me crazy to think that we just burn the stuff."

Yes, the move towards electric cars is going to reduce the amount of fuel we need, but given how difficult finding entirely new sources of oil is, that's rather good news. Instead of having to replace 5 million barrels a day of production each year, perhaps it's only 1 or 2 million,

Its more difficult than it was but not that difficult yet.

The gradual rampdown through market forces (as opposed to idiot ministers banning exploration) is fine at first, but becomes a major problem when profitable fuel sales decline to the point that the waste sludge left over from distilling off gas and petroleum becomes *the* product and has to shoulder the exporation and drilling costs.

A bit like branch railway lines. They were built for goods. Passenger services used them but were only viable when the goods paid for the infrastructure. When the goods went the passenger services became an economic basket case.

In this parable the Petrol/Gas is the goods traffic, the other uses for oil the passenger traffic and the oil industry the railway.

I'm sorry, but this is still utter gibberish.

Ultimately, this is simple economics and everything else is flim flam. If there is demand for oil and gas for petrochemicals, then there will be supply. The idea that the supply will be more expensive because there is less total demand is utter rubbish. (And the idea there is cross subsidy is just insane. Why would Shell sell petrochemical products at a loss to relative to fuel.)

Ghedebrav said:

Stuartinromford said:

Scott_xP said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

@calvinrobinson
Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

Islam is incompatible with British values.

This is a Christian country.
British values are Christian values.

Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702

Whichever bishop it was decided not to ordain Fr Calvin in the Church of England may have had a point.

(TBH, I'm surprised that his theological college didn't manage to pray this out of him.)

Cosplay Calvin is not a CofE cleric; he’s got the theological equivalent of a mail-order degree.

Gallowgate said:

PB brains trust: If I wanted to go somewhere in Europe for a week on my own, wanting some sunshine and perhaps some socialising with 25-35 year olds, for not a large sum of money, where should I go?

But not Magaluf/Ibiza vibes.

Maybe one for @Leon

rcs1000 said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

rcs1000 said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Tweedledee said:

rcs1000 said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

bondegezou said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Eabhal said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

Nunu5 said:

https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1811343910754504940

This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.

Idiot.

Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.

He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.

Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?

It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.

The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.

It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.

It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.

But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.

Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.

We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.

Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.

I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.

Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)

But why would that make them more expensive?

You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899

* And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.

Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers

Fertilisers are critical for ensuring people are fed.

But if you want a different sector how about pharmaceuticals? 99% of pharmaceuticals contain petrochemicals, so shut down petrochemicals you shut down the NHS and over the counter the counter medicines too.

Hope you don't need a paracetamol or ibuprofen any time soon, let alone anything more serious.

I remember being at an oil conference about fifteen years ago, and a Canadian E&P executive stood up and said "Oil and gas are so essential for a modern economy that it makes me crazy to think that we just burn the stuff."

Yes, the move towards electric cars is going to reduce the amount of fuel we need, but given how difficult finding entirely new sources of oil is, that's rather good news. Instead of having to replace 5 million barrels a day of production each year, perhaps it's only 1 or 2 million,

Its more difficult than it was but not that difficult yet.

The gradual rampdown through market forces (as opposed to idiot ministers banning exploration) is fine at first, but becomes a major problem when profitable fuel sales decline to the point that the waste sludge left over from distilling off gas and petroleum becomes *the* product and has to shoulder the exporation and drilling costs.

A bit like branch railway lines. They were built for goods. Passenger services used them but were only viable when the goods paid for the infrastructure. When the goods went the passenger services became an economic basket case.

In this parable the Petrol/Gas is the goods traffic, the other uses for oil the passenger traffic and the oil industry the railway.

I'm sorry, but this is still utter gibberish.

Ultimately, this is simple economics and everything else is flim flam. If there is demand for oil and gas for petrochemicals, then there will be supply. The idea that the supply will be more expensive because there is less total demand is utter rubbish. (And the idea there is cross subsidy is just insane. Why would Shell sell petrochemical products at a loss to relative to fuel.)

rcs1000 said:

rcs1000 said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

rcs1000 said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Tweedledee said:

rcs1000 said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

bondegezou said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Eabhal said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

Nunu5 said:

https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1811343910754504940

This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.

Idiot.

Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.

He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.

Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?

It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.

The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.

It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.

It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.

But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.

Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.

We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.

Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.

I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.

Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)

But why would that make them more expensive?

You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899

* And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.

Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers

Fertilisers are critical for ensuring people are fed.

But if you want a different sector how about pharmaceuticals? 99% of pharmaceuticals contain petrochemicals, so shut down petrochemicals you shut down the NHS and over the counter the counter medicines too.

Hope you don't need a paracetamol or ibuprofen any time soon, let alone anything more serious.

I remember being at an oil conference about fifteen years ago, and a Canadian E&P executive stood up and said "Oil and gas are so essential for a modern economy that it makes me crazy to think that we just burn the stuff."

Yes, the move towards electric cars is going to reduce the amount of fuel we need, but given how difficult finding entirely new sources of oil is, that's rather good news. Instead of having to replace 5 million barrels a day of production each year, perhaps it's only 1 or 2 million,

Its more difficult than it was but not that difficult yet.

The gradual rampdown through market forces (as opposed to idiot ministers banning exploration) is fine at first, but becomes a major problem when profitable fuel sales decline to the point that the waste sludge left over from distilling off gas and petroleum becomes *the* product and has to shoulder the exporation and drilling costs.

A bit like branch railway lines. They were built for goods. Passenger services used them but were only viable when the goods paid for the infrastructure. When the goods went the passenger services became an economic basket case.

In this parable the Petrol/Gas is the goods traffic, the other uses for oil the passenger traffic and the oil industry the railway.

I'm sorry, but this is still utter gibberish.

Ultimately, this is simple economics and everything else is flim flam. If there is demand for oil and gas for petrochemicals, then there will be supply. The idea that the supply will be more expensive because there is less total demand is utter rubbish. (And the idea there is cross subsidy is just insane. Why would Shell sell petrochemical products at a loss to relative to fuel.)

Sorry to belabour the point, but crude oil is a bunch of long chain hydrocarbons of various different flavors. But those long chain hydrocarbons can be either split up or joined together.

At one extreme end of this, you have the shortest chain hydrocarbon of all (CH4, methane) being chained together to make low sulphur diesel. And at the other, you have cracking where longer chain hydrocarbons are reduced to smaller ones.

In the event fuel demand were to fall to zero*, then you would still be able to use all of the contents of the barrel of oil for chemical purposes. So, even ignoring economics, your characterization is simply wrong.

* Which it won't

MisterBedfordshire said:

rcs1000 said:

rcs1000 said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

rcs1000 said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Tweedledee said:

rcs1000 said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

bondegezou said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Eabhal said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

Nunu5 said:

https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1811343910754504940

This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.

Idiot.

Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.

He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.

Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?

It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.

The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.

It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.

It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.

But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.

Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.

We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.

Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.

I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.

Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)

But why would that make them more expensive?

You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899

* And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.

Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers

Fertilisers are critical for ensuring people are fed.

But if you want a different sector how about pharmaceuticals? 99% of pharmaceuticals contain petrochemicals, so shut down petrochemicals you shut down the NHS and over the counter the counter medicines too.

Hope you don't need a paracetamol or ibuprofen any time soon, let alone anything more serious.

I remember being at an oil conference about fifteen years ago, and a Canadian E&P executive stood up and said "Oil and gas are so essential for a modern economy that it makes me crazy to think that we just burn the stuff."

Yes, the move towards electric cars is going to reduce the amount of fuel we need, but given how difficult finding entirely new sources of oil is, that's rather good news. Instead of having to replace 5 million barrels a day of production each year, perhaps it's only 1 or 2 million,

Its more difficult than it was but not that difficult yet.

The gradual rampdown through market forces (as opposed to idiot ministers banning exploration) is fine at first, but becomes a major problem when profitable fuel sales decline to the point that the waste sludge left over from distilling off gas and petroleum becomes *the* product and has to shoulder the exporation and drilling costs.

A bit like branch railway lines. They were built for goods. Passenger services used them but were only viable when the goods paid for the infrastructure. When the goods went the passenger services became an economic basket case.

In this parable the Petrol/Gas is the goods traffic, the other uses for oil the passenger traffic and the oil industry the railway.

I'm sorry, but this is still utter gibberish.

Ultimately, this is simple economics and everything else is flim flam. If there is demand for oil and gas for petrochemicals, then there will be supply. The idea that the supply will be more expensive because there is less total demand is utter rubbish. (And the idea there is cross subsidy is just insane. Why would Shell sell petrochemical products at a loss to relative to fuel.)

Sorry to belabour the point, but crude oil is a bunch of long chain hydrocarbons of various different flavors. But those long chain hydrocarbons can be either split up or joined together.

At one extreme end of this, you have the shortest chain hydrocarbon of all (CH4, methane) being chained together to make low sulphur diesel. And at the other, you have cracking where longer chain hydrocarbons are reduced to smaller ones.

In the event fuel demand were to fall to zero*, then you would still be able to use all of the contents of the barrel of oil for chemical purposes. So, even ignoring economics, your characterization is simply wrong.

* Which it won't

Why then was most gas flared off until the LPG industry made it usable?

Gallowgate said:

PB brains trust: If I wanted to go somewhere in Europe for a week on my own, wanting some sunshine and perhaps some socialising with 25-35 year olds, for not a large sum of money, where should I go?

But not Magaluf/Ibiza vibes.

Maybe one for @Leon

williamglenn said:

Apparently Biden hasn't held a full cabinet meeting for the last nine months and all questions have to be scripted in advance.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/11/politics/joe-biden-age-decline-democrats-angry/index.html

CNN: Angry and stunned Democrats blame Biden’s closest advisers for shielding public from full extent of president’s decline

MisterBedfordshire said:

rcs1000 said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

rcs1000 said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Tweedledee said:

rcs1000 said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

bondegezou said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Eabhal said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

Nunu5 said:

https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1811343910754504940

This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.

Idiot.

Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.

He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.

Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?

It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.

The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.

It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.

It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.

But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.

Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.

We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.

Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.

I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.

Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)

But why would that make them more expensive?

You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899

* And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.

Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers

Fertilisers are critical for ensuring people are fed.

But if you want a different sector how about pharmaceuticals? 99% of pharmaceuticals contain petrochemicals, so shut down petrochemicals you shut down the NHS and over the counter the counter medicines too.

Hope you don't need a paracetamol or ibuprofen any time soon, let alone anything more serious.

I remember being at an oil conference about fifteen years ago, and a Canadian E&P executive stood up and said "Oil and gas are so essential for a modern economy that it makes me crazy to think that we just burn the stuff."

Yes, the move towards electric cars is going to reduce the amount of fuel we need, but given how difficult finding entirely new sources of oil is, that's rather good news. Instead of having to replace 5 million barrels a day of production each year, perhaps it's only 1 or 2 million,

Its more difficult than it was but not that difficult yet.

The gradual rampdown through market forces (as opposed to idiot ministers banning exploration) is fine at first, but becomes a major problem when profitable fuel sales decline to the point that the waste sludge left over from distilling off gas and petroleum becomes *the* product and has to shoulder the exporation and drilling costs.

A bit like branch railway lines. They were built for goods. Passenger services used them but were only viable when the goods paid for the infrastructure. When the goods went the passenger services became an economic basket case.

In this parable the Petrol/Gas is the goods traffic, the other uses for oil the passenger traffic and the oil industry the railway.

I'm sorry, but this is still utter gibberish.

Ultimately, this is simple economics and everything else is flim flam. If there is demand for oil and gas for petrochemicals, then there will be supply. The idea that the supply will be more expensive because there is less total demand is utter rubbish. (And the idea there is cross subsidy is just insane. Why would Shell sell petrochemical products at a loss to relative to fuel.)

It isn't gibberish. Take away the demand for the profitable bit of every barrel of oil that pays for the vast cost of exploration and drilling and oil refineries etc etc (gas and petroluem) and turn it into an unwanted or even banned waste product then the residual uses for that barrel of oil has to pay the whole of the cost of obtaining that barrel of oil. Which makes those residual products far more expensive.

Wulfrun_Phil said:

HYUFD said:

Leon said:

Nigelb said:

rottenborough said:

Nigelb said:

Leon said:

MarqueeMark said:

Eabhal said:

On topic: Real wages look quite good for Biden(Harris) at the moment. Are we sure that the economics are a problem in the US as they are elsewhere? Still got a few months to go.

The numbers of jobs created under Biden have been remarkable. The Stock Exchanges are at record highs.

All Trump can do is talk down America. Because there's only one with a track record of making America great again.

The world has got much more dangerous under Biden. There were no horrible wars under Trump

Coincidence? Bad luck? Maybe. But then all the good things that happened under Biden might be down to luck and coincidence as well

Like record manufacturing investment ?
That just happened all in its own, I suppose ?

I does not matter one groundhog shit what Biden has done, the electoral will mainly be focused on the future and the next four years. And they now look at him and think 'care home time'.


It is sad and politics is brutal but

Them's the breaks.

Oh, I entirely agree.

I'm talking about the Democrats' chances, on the assumption he doesn't run in November.

They have zero chance if Biden stays. They have a real chance if they move fast and replace him. Ideally they wouldn’t have put themselves in this absurd position - but then so many silly people were keen to believe the obvious lie that Biden is fine… they are idiots

This also puts paid to @HYUFD’s absurd notion that Trump wants Biden to stand down. Trump KNOWS he’s a certain winner if Biden stays

He doesn't, see the latest Emerson poll:


'Trump 46% Biden 43% 11% undecided

Vice President Kamala Harris: 49% Trump, 43% Harris, 8% undecided
Senator Bernie Sanders: 48% Trump, 42% Sanders, 10% undecided
California Governor Gavin Newsom: 48% Trump, 40% Newsom, 12% undecided
Former Vice President Al Gore: 47% Trump, 42% Gore, 11% undecided
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton: 48% Trump, 41% Clinton, 11% undecided
Senator Elizabeth Warren: 49% Trump, 39% Warren, 13% undecided
Secretary of State Pete Buttigieg: 49% Trump, 39% Buttigieg, 12% undecided
Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro: 46% Trump, 38% Shapiro, 16% undecided
Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer: 48% Trump, 38% Whitmer, 15% undecided'
https://emersoncollegepolling.com/july-2024-national-poll-trump-46-biden-43/

You might as well quote the polling for Someone You Know Little if Anything About (Yet) v Trump. And such polling is by and large pretty worthless.

The thing is, once that unknown person has a chance to properly define themselves in terms of the presidential office they aspire to, the polling would change in their favour. It always does in presidential contests, the potential nominee who emerges from the pack always sees a boost once they become the actual nominee.

It's essentially the same reason why sitting PMs always fare better against the LOTO in polling for "Best PM" than they do in any other comparative measure. Familiarity in the role v the unfamiliar.

gettingbetter said:

I think this nearly over. Biden will not be the nominee. I suppose that Harris is pretty nailed on to replace because out of respect for Biden they have to let her take up the reins, unless he endorses someone else? And she can beat Trump I think.

rottenborough said:

Sandpit said:

xyzxyzxyz said:

williamglenn said:

Apparently Biden hasn't held a full cabinet meeting for the last nine months and all questions have to be scripted in advance.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/11/politics/joe-biden-age-decline-democrats-angry/index.html

CNN: Angry and stunned Democrats blame Biden’s closest advisers for shielding public from full extent of president’s decline

Federal Reserve Chair Powell was asked by a congressman yesterday when he had last been phoned or held a meeting with the President. Answer not since 2022!

What the….

Melanie Zanona
@MZanona
NEWS: Rep. Mike Quigley says he expects more Dems to come out today and publicly call for Biden to drop out of the race. Says some are waiting for NATO to end.

https://x.com/MZanona/status/1811424258444365998

Richard_Tyndall said:

Tweedledee said:

rcs1000 said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

bondegezou said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Eabhal said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

Nunu5 said:

https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1811343910754504940

This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.

Idiot.

Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.

He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.

Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?

It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.

The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.

It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.

It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.

But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.

Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.

We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.

Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.

I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.

Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)

But why would that make them more expensive?

You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899

* And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.

Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers

A whole range of medicines. Lubricants, greases, coolants. Modern society simply cannot exist without petroleum products. And plastics are vital for basically the whole of modern infrastructure. Not ghe disposable bottle type stuff but basic stuff like insulation around wiring. The list of things made from petroleum products is truly terrifying in the face of idiots who want us to stop drilling for the stuff.

Gallowgate said:

PB brains trust: If I wanted to go somewhere in Europe for a week on my own, wanting some sunshine and perhaps some socialising with 25-35 year olds, for not a large sum of money, where should I go?

But not Magaluf/Ibiza vibes.

Maybe one for @Leon

Sandpit said:

Gallowgate said:

PB brains trust: If I wanted to go somewhere in Europe for a week on my own, wanting some sunshine and perhaps some socialising with 25-35 year olds, for not a large sum of money, where should I go?

But not Magaluf/Ibiza vibes.

Maybe one for @Leon

There’s some lovely cities in Eastern Europe, cheap as chips to stay and enjoy life there for a few days.

Krakow
Budapest
Prague
Bucharest
Istanbul
Bratislava

Bonus points for Lviv.

MisterBedfordshire said:

Leon said:

Tweedledee said:

geoffw said:

kinabalu said:

williamglenn said:

Stuartinromford said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

kinabalu said:

Tweedledee said:

Nunu5 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

Scott_xP said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

@calvinrobinson
Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

Islam is incompatible with British values.

This is a Christian country.
British values are Christian values.

Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702

Who the hell is this guy?

A black man dressed as a priest, but sounds like Tommy Robinson on one of his more islamophobic days. Call me confused.

He got sacked by GB News, tells you everything.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67009045

Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.

Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.

Reminds me of 'Papist' for Catholic.

Not the same thing at all. Papist was/is a derogatory smear invented after Brexit 1.0

Wesleyan is widely used (including by adherents - even calling their Churches Wesleyan Chapels) and no one thinks they worship the late John Wesley.

No one thinks Lutherans worship the late Martin Luther either.

And that's the core point. Giving people a name that you've chosen, rather than one they have taken ownership of, is just rude.

Is it rude to say we are playing the Spanish rather than the Españols?

Better to say we're playing Spain not the Spanish.

A Chinese friend of mine tells me that the expression "Chinaman" is derogatory. Is it? If so I was unaware of it

It is

There's no way of deducing from the word itself if it is offensive or not. Niger just means black. Double the G and bam!

Niger is an accident waiting to happen, isn't it?

If you aren't aware it is French and has a French pronunciation, and you try to say it? You get sacked

It is a bit like the word "coloured". Seen as grossly offensive until you come across one of the millions of (Cape) coloureds from South Africa and Zimbabwe who are Coloured and proud of it and get very offended if you say they are blacks (as do some black South Africans if you say Cspe Coloureds are black (they get different and much smaller quotas for positive discrimination under black economic empowerment laws).

Get to know the ones from Zimbabwe and some will tell you they are RHODESIAN and go off on one about how Mugabe and his gangsters wrecked the place without much prompting.

I know this because I met a nice South African and married her.

TimS said:

Sandpit said:

Gallowgate said:

PB brains trust: If I wanted to go somewhere in Europe for a week on my own, wanting some sunshine and perhaps some socialising with 25-35 year olds, for not a large sum of money, where should I go?

But not Magaluf/Ibiza vibes.

Maybe one for @Leon

There’s some lovely cities in Eastern Europe, cheap as chips to stay and enjoy life there for a few days.

Krakow
Budapest
Prague
Bucharest
Istanbul
Bratislava

Bonus points for Lviv.

I think the question needs further narrowing down. It’s only a couple of steps from “I would like to go in holiday. Where would you suggest”.

Chris said:

Omnium said:

gettingbetter said:

I think this nearly over. Biden will not be the nominee. I suppose that Harris is pretty nailed on to replace because out of respect for Biden they have to let her take up the reins, unless he endorses someone else? And she can beat Trump I think.

I'm pretty sure Harris can win. I think it's entirely possible she wins quite easily.

I think it'll be fascinating to see Trump crumble.

For anyone who thinks that there should be a betting opportunity, because the implied probabilities are currently 45% for her candidacy but only 16% for her being elected.

TimS said:

TimS said:

Sandpit said:

Gallowgate said:

PB brains trust: If I wanted to go somewhere in Europe for a week on my own, wanting some sunshine and perhaps some socialising with 25-35 year olds, for not a large sum of money, where should I go?

But not Magaluf/Ibiza vibes.

Maybe one for @Leon

There’s some lovely cities in Eastern Europe, cheap as chips to stay and enjoy life there for a few days.

Krakow
Budapest
Prague
Bucharest
Istanbul
Bratislava

Bonus points for Lviv.

I think the question needs further narrowing down. It’s only a couple of steps from “I would like to go in holiday. Where would you suggest”.

Actually an interesting question would be “where is the absolutely cheapest place to go on holiday for a week in summer, factoring in travel, accommodation, cost of food and drink and activities?”