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  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,813

    rcs1000 said:

    Four hours and nineteen minutes until... BOOM.

    Tonight I will be at the count where Douglas Ross, Andrew Bowie and hopefully Stephen Flynn all lose…
    Will TV be present? For you, obviously, not Ross.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,016
    "Konstantin Kisin
    @KonstantinKisin

    Happy 4th of July to my American friends. Please know that should your republic experiment prove unsuccessful as it is already looking, we, the magnanimous citizens of Great Britain, will welcome you back into the realm provided you never defile our tea again you absolute plebs."

    https://x.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1808843921918747040
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 684
    DM_Andy said:

    What's the oddest polling station people here have voted at? I once voted in a polling station that was literally someone's front room.

    My husband was presiding officer at a polling station in a pub once. He didn't enjoy it. He said it was cramped and noisy.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,698
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    What is everybody's media set- up?

    I've got a big TV, an iPad, a laptop, and my phone, all tuned to different aspects of the election. It's like NASA, but with much better wine

    My dilemma is when to start drinking. I can't wait til the exit poll that's too far away. I think a gentle couple of G&Ts before supper ariund 8, then a hefty Malbec to go with the Singapore laksa (yes I know, non-canonical, sue me). Then I might go for a Grand Cru Bordeaux or a Gran Reserva Rioja to be slowly imbibed through the night, finishing with a slug of Macallan 30 year old and a Valium to knock me out til noon

    I haven't been drinking a lot this year, and 2pm is too early to start.

    So I'm planning on opening a bottle of California chardonnay at 4pm when I settle down to watch the TV coverage seriously.
    How wil you watch it from California? VPN? Os is BBC America showing it?
    NordVPN probably.
    BBC America is not showing the election, weirdly.
  • ChristopherChristopher Posts: 91
    Stocky said:

    BBC for coverage tonight?

    No itv is generally better and faster though i will watch the exit poll on the bbc.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 406

    Sandpit said:

    Heathener said:

    Managed an hour’s sleep. Would have liked a bit more. I may cat nap before 10pm. Or rather dog nap as I have two little doggies next to me in bed as I type.

    Can I pull an all-nighter from here? Going to try.

    Feeling it in my bones that this is going to be seismic for the tories.

    The only time I can sleep in the daytime is after an overnight flight back from the US or Canada where I've been awake all the way. I stare with bafflement at those who doze off on the train in the middle of the afternoon.

    After a poor night's sleep last night, little or none tonight, then having to stay up tomorrow evening for the footy, I might be getting a bit of a lie-in on Saturday.
    After 36 years of shift working and 24/7 on call I can sleep anywhere, anytime. Helicopters are great - an hour or two's enforced napping in a rubber suit. Trains, although the fear of missing my stop causes some sleep issues. Cars as my wife normally drives and I doze.

    Though oddly I never sleep more than about 5 hours in any 24. my normal non-travelling sleep pattern is 2am to 6 or 7 am.
    Okay, anyone who can sleep in helicopters is officially mad. You must have the world’s best noise-cancelling headphones.
    Not allowed them. We wear the provided ear defenders and ear plugs as well. The vibration is a bigger issue but once you get used to it it is not so bad. A few yeasr ago I worked out I had done somewhere north of 750 chopper flights.
    Any splashdowns?
    A colleague was on a chopper in GOM and a local told him he'd had 2 or 3 on GOM trips.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,016

    rcs1000 said:

    Four hours and nineteen minutes until... BOOM.

    Tonight I will be at the count where Douglas Ross, Andrew Bowie and hopefully Stephen Flynn all lose…
    I like the way they hold all the counts for Aberdeenshire in the same room.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    edited July 4
    Leon said:

    What is everybody's media set- up?

    I've got a big TV, an iPad, a laptop, and my phone, all tuned to different aspects of the election. It's like NASA, but with much better wine

    My dilemma is when to start drinking. I can't wait til the exit poll that's too far away. I think a gentle couple of G&Ts before supper ariund 8, then a hefty Malbec to go with the Singapore laksa (yes I know, non-canonical, sue me). Then I might go for a Grand Cru Bordeaux or a Gran Reserva Rioja to be slowly imbibed through the night, finishing with a slug of Macallan 30 year old and a Valium to knock me out til noon

    TV. BBC for the theme tune. Mobile on PB.

    Probably switch the volume off on the TV unless something worth watching.

    Or switch it off. During the referendum I switched off TV and got all my reports from PB as I got irritated by the windbags on the panel. You don't really need anything else.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,078
    Ghedebrav said:

    Stocky said:

    BBC for coverage tonight?

    Probably between that and ITV, then I'll settle on one.

    I'll be drinking coffee and painting futuristic toy soldiers to pass the time.
    I'll have coffee (plus more in a flask so I don't have to leave the room), nibbles and all my bets laid out on the table, powerbank to keep my phone charged, calculator and pencil, sharpener in case it goes blunt, alarm clock in case I nod off - at which point Mrs Stocky will come in , roll her eyes, and go to bed.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    When is the ETA for the first result (Sunderland?)? I plan to kip between 8.30pm and 11.30pm and then attempt to stay up all night :)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,557
    edited July 4
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    What is everybody's media set- up?

    I've got a big TV, an iPad, a laptop, and my phone, all tuned to different aspects of the election. It's like NASA, but with much better wine

    My dilemma is when to start drinking. I can't wait til the exit poll that's too far away. I think a gentle couple of G&Ts before supper ariund 8, then a hefty Malbec to go with the Singapore laksa (yes I know, non-canonical, sue me). Then I might go for a Grand Cru Bordeaux or a Gran Reserva Rioja to be slowly imbibed through the night, finishing with a slug of Macallan 30 year old and a Valium to knock me out til noon

    I’ve a bottle of Champagne to be opened when you lose your bet, you should take the first shot of your Macallan 30yo at the same time.
    I'm hoping my bet with @TimS will pay for my pricey Rioja

    I'm more confident than I was but far from certain

    The way I see it this election is epochal and remarkable on several levels:

    1. We may see the largest majority in British parliamentary history (and on a fairly modest vote)
    2. We may see the death or near death of the most sucessful party in western democratic history, and from an 80 Seat majority!
    3. We may see that same party overtaken as the Government or Opposition for the first time since the Jurassic Era, or the birth of @JackW
    4. We may see a new Opposition party for the first time since etc etc
    5. We may see the first birth of a genuine new big party, with a hefty vote, since the SDP, and with the potential to go further than them
    6. We may see the crushing of the SNP (which seems relatively minor, in this context, but still)
    7. We may see the sitting Prime Minister lose his seat, for the first time ever

    Any more?

    Potentially the the most dramatic election in anyone's lifetime. THIS IS IT
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,016

    A compliment for the UK: I have always enjoyed the announcements of results, with the candidates standing side by side, with their rosettes, as if they were school children waiting for awards.

    It's the lack of excitement and hoopla that I like, as if everyone there was saying we're so good at elections that we don't need to make a big fuss.

    (Sadly, something similar doesn't seem practical in the US, because of -- among other things -- scale problems.)

    I think I'm correct in stating that the UK and Ireland are the only countries in the world where election results are announced in this way, and where all the votes for a particular constituency/district are counted in one room.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,212
    Andy_JS said:

    "Konstantin Kisin
    @KonstantinKisin

    Happy 4th of July to my American friends. Please know that should your republic experiment prove unsuccessful as it is already looking, we, the magnanimous citizens of Great Britain, will welcome you back into the realm provided you never defile our tea again you absolute plebs."

    https://x.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1808843921918747040

    And check in your guns at the trash compactor....
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,658
    Andy_JS said:

    If we had the French voting system the Tories would possibly be in danger of being reduced to 25 to 50 seats.

    1 does @Sandpit
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,327
    Andy_JS said:

    Tories on the edge of being forced into third place in seats according to Survation.


    "Survation.
    @Survation
    MRP Final Update

    We published our final polling call last night based on our telephone poll conducted between the 1st and the 3rd of July, alongside an updated set of MRP estimates.

    Overnight, we ran the model again, which now includes the final responses collected by telephone yesterday evening, but with a higher number of simulations (800). This will be our final update of any kind for this General Election. Below are our updated MRP seat estimates for GE 2024, with changes vs. 3rd July 2024.

    Final probabilistic seat count:

    Labour: 470 (-5)
    Conservative: 68 (+4)
    Liberal Democrats: 59 (-1)
    Scottish National Party: 14 (+1)
    Reform UK: 15 (+2)
    Green Party: 4 (+1)
    Plaid Cymru: 3 (-1)"

    https://x.com/Survation/status/1808888765970096600

    Two takes from Survation - who are on the outer edge of the predictors (Labour high, Tory low), for innumerates like me who want early result indications:

    Basildon: Survation say Labour squeak home.
    Broxbourne: Tory and Labour chances dead level.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252

    LOL. Thanks for that. I had forgotten that minute after the exit poll and the reactions. Really funny to see them again. So many expletives from all sides. :)
    They'd kill for the same result now. Being left as the largest party in a hung parliament would be seen as an unebelievable success rather than an epochal failure.
    I reckon right now they would kill to be the second largest party in a hung Parliament to be honest.
    I will be £200 up if they are
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,727

    LOL. Thanks for that. I had forgotten that minute after the exit poll and the reactions. Really funny to see them again. So many expletives from all sides. :)
    This time we’ll just have Casino’s… ;)
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,601
    edited July 4
    Betfair suggesting very efficient LD vote.

    Vote share band 10% to 11.99% is favourite.

    But also well odds on (1.61) to get over 60 seats.

    Obviously both are entirely possible but would seem extraordinarily efficient.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,176
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    What is everybody's media set- up?

    I've got a big TV, an iPad, a laptop, and my phone, all tuned to different aspects of the election. It's like NASA, but with much better wine

    My dilemma is when to start drinking. I can't wait til the exit poll that's too far away. I think a gentle couple of G&Ts before supper ariund 8, then a hefty Malbec to go with the Singapore laksa (yes I know, non-canonical, sue me). Then I might go for a Grand Cru Bordeaux or a Gran Reserva Rioja to be slowly imbibed through the night, finishing with a slug of Macallan 30 year old and a Valium to knock me out til noon

    I’ve a bottle of Champagne to be opened when you lose your bet, you should take the first shot of your Macallan 30yo at the same time.
    I'm attempting to stay off booze until the Exit.

    It's gonna be a very long 4 hours.
  • Im many ways if it weren't for Corbyn in 2019, the Lib Dems would have done as well then.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,785
    edited July 4
    rcs1000 said:

    Four hours and nineteen minutes until... BOOM.

    It's much closer to the summer solstice than a normal election, sunset only 16 minutes before the exit poll. For Rochdale it won't have set !
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,013
    Nunu5 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    While we're waiting:

    Markets nervous as we wait the exit poll

    https://web.archive.org/web/20061022231659/http://politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2005/05/05/markets-nervous-as-we-wait-the-exit-poll/

    (Comment 300 is a classic of the genre.)

    Interesting to see that Anthony Wells of UKPollingReport and now YouGov was posting on the site back then.
    Con Gain Putney the first gain of the night- how things have changed
    Thanks for the tip.
    Ghedebrav said:

    Stocky said:

    BBC for coverage tonight?

    Probably between that and ITV, then I'll settle on one.

    I'll be drinking coffee and painting futuristic toy soldiers to pass the time.
    Remember Kuenssberg is on BBC. Best avoided.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,835

    rcs1000 said:

    Four hours and nineteen minutes until... BOOM.

    Tonight I will be at the count where Douglas Ross, Andrew Bowie and hopefully Stephen Flynn all lose…
    Are the counts at the Beach Ballroom still?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,190
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    What is everybody's media set- up?

    I've got a big TV, an iPad, a laptop, and my phone, all tuned to different aspects of the election. It's like NASA, but with much better wine

    My dilemma is when to start drinking. I can't wait til the exit poll that's too far away. I think a gentle couple of G&Ts before supper ariund 8, then a hefty Malbec to go with the Singapore laksa (yes I know, non-canonical, sue me). Then I might go for a Grand Cru Bordeaux or a Gran Reserva Rioja to be slowly imbibed through the night, finishing with a slug of Macallan 30 year old and a Valium to knock me out til noon

    I haven't been drinking a lot this year, and 2pm is too early to start.

    So I'm planning on opening a bottle of California chardonnay at 4pm when I settle down to watch the TV coverage seriously.
    How wil you watch it from California? VPN? Os is BBC America showing it?
    NordVPN probably.
    BBC America is not showing the election, weirdly.
    Sky News Youtube channel should be available everywhere.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJUvTVdTMyY
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Sandpit said:

    Farooq said:

    21:59. Yorkshire. Rishi Sunak is speaking to some journalists [who really wish they were at the Labour presser instead]

    "The important thing is that a vote for Labour is a mandate for higher taxes. That's what's at stake here. Labour will raise taxes. You will pay higher taxes under Labour. Labour is the party of high tax and their high tax plans mean you will be paying higher taxes. If you don't want higher taxes, you must not give a mandate to high tax Labour, the party of high tax."
    [It's now 22:00. Rishi's phone buzzes. It's the exit poll. Labour have a huge majority]

    "I'm disappointed by the outcome but it's important to say that this result is in no way a mandate for them to raise taxes"

    Rishi's wife will pay higher taxes is what he means.
    Rishi’s wife will never be paying higher taxes - she’ll be formally living somewhere else by next week.
    both of them I suspect. If he isn't PM he can become a Non Dom
    No - he can become non resident. He was born here so his domicile is the UK - it can be given up, but it takes time & effort - and acquiring a domicile somewhere else will involve being taxed there.
  • ChristopherChristopher Posts: 91
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    What is everybody's media set- up?

    I've got a big TV, an iPad, a laptop, and my phone, all tuned to different aspects of the election. It's like NASA, but with much better wine

    My dilemma is when to start drinking. I can't wait til the exit poll that's too far away. I think a gentle couple of G&Ts before supper ariund 8, then a hefty Malbec to go with the Singapore laksa (yes I know, non-canonical, sue me). Then I might go for a Grand Cru Bordeaux or a Gran Reserva Rioja to be slowly imbibed through the night, finishing with a slug of Macallan 30 year old and a Valium to knock me out til noon

    I’ve a bottle of Champagne to be opened when you lose your bet, you should take the first shot of your Macallan 30yo at the same time.
    I'm hoping my bet with @TimS will pay for my pricey Rioja

    I'm more confident than I was but far from certain

    The way I see it this election is epochal and remarkable on several levels:

    1. We may see the largest majority in British parliamentary history (and on a fairly modest vote)
    2. We may see the death or near death of the most sucessful party in western democratic history, and from an 80 Seat majority!
    3. We may see that same party overtaken as the Government or Opposition for the first time since the Jurassic Era, or the birth of @JackW
    4. We may see a new Opposition party for the first time since etc etc
    5. We may see the first birth of a genuine new big party, with a hefty vote, since the SDP, and with the potential to go further than them
    6. We may see the crushing of the SNP (which seems relatively minor, in this context, but still)
    7. We may see the sitting Prime Minister lose his seat, for the first time ever

    Any more?

    Potentially the the most dramatic election in anyone's lifetime. THIS IS IT
    Yes and dont forget that many elections have been relatively boring think 2001, 2005.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,321
    Will have PB on my phone and the radio on.
    2 screens scrambles my ADHD brain.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,052
    edited July 4

    rcs1000 said:

    Four hours and nineteen minutes until... BOOM.

    Tonight I will be at the count where Douglas Ross, Andrew Bowie and hopefully Stephen Flynn all lose…
    Are the counts at the Beach Ballroom still?
    Last time at the new AECC... rather windswept place in December.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,187
    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Four hours and nineteen minutes until... BOOM.

    It's much closer to the summer solstice than a normal election, sunset only 16 minutes before the exit poll. For Rochdale it won't have set !
    "A new dusk has fallen, has it not?"
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,557

    Leon said:

    What is everybody's media set- up?

    I've got a big TV, an iPad, a laptop, and my phone, all tuned to different aspects of the election. It's like NASA, but with much better wine

    My dilemma is when to start drinking. I can't wait til the exit poll that's too far away. I think a gentle couple of G&Ts before supper ariund 8, then a hefty Malbec to go with the Singapore laksa (yes I know, non-canonical, sue me). Then I might go for a Grand Cru Bordeaux or a Gran Reserva Rioja to be slowly imbibed through the night, finishing with a slug of Macallan 30 year old and a Valium to knock me out til noon

    TV. BBC for the theme tune. Mobile on PB.

    Probably switch the volume off on the TV unless something worth watching.

    Or switch it off. During the referendum I switched off TV and got all my reports from PB as I got irritated by the windbags on the panel. You don't really need anything else.
    Don't you want to see the drama written on all those faces?

    I LOVED the anguish of the Remainers, I drank their tears. It was cold cold lovely revenge after all their cheating and lying for decades

    They will get their own revenge now, but I don't give a fuck. We Brexited, and we will never return
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,212
    Five hours and six minutes until

    "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT???????????"
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,016
    In surprising news, Peter Hitchens urges people to vote against Labour.

    https://x.com/triggerpod/status/1808561349884010933
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,727
    edited July 4

    rcs1000 said:

    Four hours and nineteen minutes until... BOOM.

    Tonight I will be at the count where Douglas Ross, Andrew Bowie and hopefully Stephen Flynn all lose…
    Good luck, but go prepared to be disappointed. Standing in a GE is an activity with very little relationship between effort and reward, let alone merit and reward.

    As a matter of simple mathematics, if the LibDems are forecast to win a shedload of MPs on barely more than a tenth of the vote, LibDems everywhere else are going to poll extraordinarily badly. Just think of your lack of votes as doing your bit to make the sums work out better for the target seats!
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,078
    The Conservative Party Seats market with bf will be worth keeping tabs on.

    Currently:

    50-99 2.02
    100-149 2.84
    150-199 9.2
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    What is everybody's media set- up?

    I've got a big TV, an iPad, a laptop, and my phone, all tuned to different aspects of the election. It's like NASA, but with much better wine

    My dilemma is when to start drinking. I can't wait til the exit poll that's too far away. I think a gentle couple of G&Ts before supper ariund 8, then a hefty Malbec to go with the Singapore laksa (yes I know, non-canonical, sue me). Then I might go for a Grand Cru Bordeaux or a Gran Reserva Rioja to be slowly imbibed through the night, finishing with a slug of Macallan 30 year old and a Valium to knock me out til noon

    I’ve a bottle of Champagne to be opened when you lose your bet, you should take the first shot of your Macallan 30yo at the same time.
    I'm hoping my bet with @TimS will pay for my pricey Rioja

    I'm more confident than I was but far from certain

    The way I see it this election is epochal and remarkable on several levels:

    1. We may see the largest majority in British parliamentary history (and on a fairly modest vote)
    2. We may see the death or near death of the most sucessful party in western democratic history, and from an 80 Seat majority!
    3. We may see that same party overtaken as the Government or Opposition for the first time since the Jurassic Era, or the birth of @JackW
    4. We may see a new Opposition party for the first time since etc etc
    5. We may see the first birth of a genuine new big party, with a hefty vote, since the SDP, and with the potential to go further than them
    6. We may see the crushing of the SNP (which seems relatively minor, in this context, but still)
    7. We may see the sitting Prime Minister lose his seat, for the first time ever

    Any more?

    Potentially the the most dramatic election in anyone's lifetime. THIS IS IT
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    What is everybody's media set- up?

    I've got a big TV, an iPad, a laptop, and my phone, all tuned to different aspects of the election. It's like NASA, but with much better wine

    My dilemma is when to start drinking. I can't wait til the exit poll that's too far away. I think a gentle couple of G&Ts before supper ariund 8, then a hefty Malbec to go with the Singapore laksa (yes I know, non-canonical, sue me). Then I might go for a Grand Cru Bordeaux or a Gran Reserva Rioja to be slowly imbibed through the night, finishing with a slug of Macallan 30 year old and a Valium to knock me out til noon

    I’ve a bottle of Champagne to be opened when you lose your bet, you should take the first shot of your Macallan 30yo at the same time.
    I'm hoping my bet with @TimS will pay for my pricey Rioja

    I'm more confident than I was but far from certain

    The way I see it this election is epochal and remarkable on several levels:

    1. We may see the largest majority in British parliamentary history (and on a fairly modest vote)
    2. We may see the death or near death of the most sucessful party in western democratic history, and from an 80 Seat majority!
    3. We may see that same party overtaken as the Government or Opposition for the first time since the Jurassic Era, or the birth of @JackW
    4. We may see a new Opposition party for the first time since etc etc
    5. We may see the first birth of a genuine new big party, with a hefty vote, since the SDP, and with the potential to go further than them
    6. We may see the crushing of the SNP (which seems relatively minor, in this context, but still)
    7. We may see the sitting Prime Minister lose his seat, for the first time ever

    Any more?

    Potentially the the most dramatic election in anyone's lifetime. THIS IS IT
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    What is everybody's media set- up?

    I've got a big TV, an iPad, a laptop, and my phone, all tuned to different aspects of the election. It's like NASA, but with much better wine

    My dilemma is when to start drinking. I can't wait til the exit poll that's too far away. I think a gentle couple of G&Ts before supper ariund 8, then a hefty Malbec to go with the Singapore laksa (yes I know, non-canonical, sue me). Then I might go for a Grand Cru Bordeaux or a Gran Reserva Rioja to be slowly imbibed through the night, finishing with a slug of Macallan 30 year old and a Valium to knock me out til noon

    I’ve a bottle of Champagne to be opened when you lose your bet, you should take the first shot of your Macallan 30yo at the same time.
    I'm hoping my bet with @TimS will pay for my pricey Rioja

    I'm more confident than I was but far from certain

    The way I see it this election is epochal and remarkable on several levels:

    1. We may see the largest majority in British parliamentary history (and on a fairly modest vote)
    2. We may see the death or near death of the most sucessful party in western democratic history, and from an 80 Seat majority!
    3. We may see that same party overtaken as the Government or Opposition for the first time since the Jurassic Era, or the birth of @JackW
    4. We may see a new Opposition party for the first time since etc etc
    5. We may see the first birth of a genuine new big party, with a hefty vote, since the SDP, and with the potential to go further than them
    6. We may see the crushing of the SNP (which seems relatively minor, in this context, but still)
    7. We may see the sitting Prime Minister lose his seat, for the first time ever

    Any more?

    Potentially the the most dramatic election in anyone's lifetime. THIS IS IT
    Nah. 2016 Referendum was most dramatic and important.

    Had it gone a different way, this would have been an election for a glorified County Council.
  • eekeek Posts: 27,960

    Five hours and six minutes until

    "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT???????????"

    Four hours and six minutes surely (10:00/10:01pm).
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,190
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    What is everybody's media set- up?

    I've got a big TV, an iPad, a laptop, and my phone, all tuned to different aspects of the election. It's like NASA, but with much better wine

    My dilemma is when to start drinking. I can't wait til the exit poll that's too far away. I think a gentle couple of G&Ts before supper ariund 8, then a hefty Malbec to go with the Singapore laksa (yes I know, non-canonical, sue me). Then I might go for a Grand Cru Bordeaux or a Gran Reserva Rioja to be slowly imbibed through the night, finishing with a slug of Macallan 30 year old and a Valium to knock me out til noon

    I’ve a bottle of Champagne to be opened when you lose your bet, you should take the first shot of your Macallan 30yo at the same time.
    I'm hoping my bet with @TimS will pay for my pricey Rioja

    I'm more confident than I was but far from certain

    The way I see it this election is epochal and remarkable on several levels:

    1. We may see the largest majority in British parliamentary history (and on a fairly modest vote)
    2. We may see the death or near death of the most sucessful party in western democratic history, and from an 80 Seat majority!
    3. We may see that same party overtaken as the Government or Opposition for the first time since the Jurassic Era, or the birth of @JackW
    4. We may see a new Opposition party for the first time since etc etc
    5. We may see the first birth of a genuine new big party, with a hefty vote, since the SDP, and with the potential to go further than them
    6. We may see the crushing of the SNP (which seems relatively minor, in this context, but still)
    7. We may see the sitting Prime Minister lose his seat, for the first time ever

    Any more?

    Potentially the the most dramatic election in anyone's lifetime. THIS IS IT
    1. You only have to be 18 months older than my mother, to have been alive for the 1945 election.
    2. We all want to see the photo of that 30yo Macallan.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,557
    edited July 4
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    What is everybody's media set- up?

    I've got a big TV, an iPad, a laptop, and my phone, all tuned to different aspects of the election. It's like NASA, but with much better wine

    My dilemma is when to start drinking. I can't wait til the exit poll that's too far away. I think a gentle couple of G&Ts before supper ariund 8, then a hefty Malbec to go with the Singapore laksa (yes I know, non-canonical, sue me). Then I might go for a Grand Cru Bordeaux or a Gran Reserva Rioja to be slowly imbibed through the night, finishing with a slug of Macallan 30 year old and a Valium to knock me out til noon

    I haven't been drinking a lot this year, and 2pm is too early to start.

    So I'm planning on opening a bottle of California chardonnay at 4pm when I settle down to watch the TV coverage seriously.
    How wil you watch it from California? VPN? Os is BBC America showing it?
    NordVPN probably.
    NordVPN is the best right now. I dunno what happened to ExpressVPN, I guess someone cracked their code. It's useless now

    Edit to add: I'm slightly surprised there isn't a tiny cable channel showing the British elex live. With 340 million people there must be a few hundred thousand politics geeks and UK expats who would like to follow it in real time, with all the drama, and in the English language - and at a more friendly hour than in the UK itself

    Enough to garner a small but profitable slice of advertising?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,187
    Andy_JS said:

    In surprising news, Peter Hitchens urges people to vote against Labour.

    https://x.com/triggerpod/status/1808561349884010933

    It is surprising because he's spent the last 20 years saying that the Tory party needs to be destroyed. Now that it might be happening, he's changed his mind.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,016
    algarkirk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Tories on the edge of being forced into third place in seats according to Survation.


    "Survation.
    @Survation
    MRP Final Update

    We published our final polling call last night based on our telephone poll conducted between the 1st and the 3rd of July, alongside an updated set of MRP estimates.

    Overnight, we ran the model again, which now includes the final responses collected by telephone yesterday evening, but with a higher number of simulations (800). This will be our final update of any kind for this General Election. Below are our updated MRP seat estimates for GE 2024, with changes vs. 3rd July 2024.

    Final probabilistic seat count:

    Labour: 470 (-5)
    Conservative: 68 (+4)
    Liberal Democrats: 59 (-1)
    Scottish National Party: 14 (+1)
    Reform UK: 15 (+2)
    Green Party: 4 (+1)
    Plaid Cymru: 3 (-1)"

    https://x.com/Survation/status/1808888765970096600

    Two takes from Survation - who are on the outer edge of the predictors (Labour high, Tory low), for innumerates like me who want early result indications:

    Basildon: Survation say Labour squeak home.
    Broxbourne: Tory and Labour chances dead level.
    If the Tories can't win Broxbourne they might as well give up completely.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,698
    MikeL said:

    Betfair suggesting very efficient LD vote.

    Vote share band 10% to 11.99% is favourite.

    But also well odds on (1.61) to get over 60 seats.

    Obviously both are entirely possible but would seem extraordinarily efficient.

    I would bet against both those: I think the LibDems will get 12.8% and 47 seats.
  • Andy_JS said:

    In surprising news, Peter Hitchens urges people to vote against Labour.

    https://x.com/triggerpod/status/1808561349884010933

    This was the podcast that I recall saying Labour would be out of power for a decade for being too woke.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084

    Stocky said:

    BBC for coverage tonight?

    No itv is generally better and faster though i will watch the exit poll on the bbc.
    I’m somewhat off-put by the the 3 panellists they have selected:

    George Osborne

    Ed Balls

    Nicola Sturgeon
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,037
    I reckon a hold by 6 to 7,000 in Broxbourne would make for an interesting night
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,190

    Andy_JS said:

    In surprising news, Peter Hitchens urges people to vote against Labour.

    https://x.com/triggerpod/status/1808561349884010933

    It is surprising because he's spent the last 20 years saying that the Tory party needs to be destroyed. Now that it might be happening, he's changed his mind.
    Almost as if he’s a professional contrarian.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,667
    Funniest comment in that 2017 exit poll memory lane post, from HYUFD:

    "Looks like it will be soft Brexit after all if this is the result, Hammond possibly PM but if the Tories do that UKIP will surge."
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,557

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    What is everybody's media set- up?

    I've got a big TV, an iPad, a laptop, and my phone, all tuned to different aspects of the election. It's like NASA, but with much better wine

    My dilemma is when to start drinking. I can't wait til the exit poll that's too far away. I think a gentle couple of G&Ts before supper ariund 8, then a hefty Malbec to go with the Singapore laksa (yes I know, non-canonical, sue me). Then I might go for a Grand Cru Bordeaux or a Gran Reserva Rioja to be slowly imbibed through the night, finishing with a slug of Macallan 30 year old and a Valium to knock me out til noon

    I’ve a bottle of Champagne to be opened when you lose your bet, you should take the first shot of your Macallan 30yo at the same time.
    I'm hoping my bet with @TimS will pay for my pricey Rioja

    I'm more confident than I was but far from certain

    The way I see it this election is epochal and remarkable on several levels:

    1. We may see the largest majority in British parliamentary history (and on a fairly modest vote)
    2. We may see the death or near death of the most sucessful party in western democratic history, and from an 80 Seat majority!
    3. We may see that same party overtaken as the Government or Opposition for the first time since the Jurassic Era, or the birth of @JackW
    4. We may see a new Opposition party for the first time since etc etc
    5. We may see the first birth of a genuine new big party, with a hefty vote, since the SDP, and with the potential to go further than them
    6. We may see the crushing of the SNP (which seems relatively minor, in this context, but still)
    7. We may see the sitting Prime Minister lose his seat, for the first time ever

    Any more?

    Potentially the the most dramatic election in anyone's lifetime. THIS IS IT
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    What is everybody's media set- up?

    I've got a big TV, an iPad, a laptop, and my phone, all tuned to different aspects of the election. It's like NASA, but with much better wine

    My dilemma is when to start drinking. I can't wait til the exit poll that's too far away. I think a gentle couple of G&Ts before supper ariund 8, then a hefty Malbec to go with the Singapore laksa (yes I know, non-canonical, sue me). Then I might go for a Grand Cru Bordeaux or a Gran Reserva Rioja to be slowly imbibed through the night, finishing with a slug of Macallan 30 year old and a Valium to knock me out til noon

    I’ve a bottle of Champagne to be opened when you lose your bet, you should take the first shot of your Macallan 30yo at the same time.
    I'm hoping my bet with @TimS will pay for my pricey Rioja

    I'm more confident than I was but far from certain

    The way I see it this election is epochal and remarkable on several levels:

    1. We may see the largest majority in British parliamentary history (and on a fairly modest vote)
    2. We may see the death or near death of the most sucessful party in western democratic history, and from an 80 Seat majority!
    3. We may see that same party overtaken as the Government or Opposition for the first time since the Jurassic Era, or the birth of @JackW
    4. We may see a new Opposition party for the first time since etc etc
    5. We may see the first birth of a genuine new big party, with a hefty vote, since the SDP, and with the potential to go further than them
    6. We may see the crushing of the SNP (which seems relatively minor, in this context, but still)
    7. We may see the sitting Prime Minister lose his seat, for the first time ever

    Any more?

    Potentially the the most dramatic election in anyone's lifetime. THIS IS IT
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    What is everybody's media set- up?

    I've got a big TV, an iPad, a laptop, and my phone, all tuned to different aspects of the election. It's like NASA, but with much better wine

    My dilemma is when to start drinking. I can't wait til the exit poll that's too far away. I think a gentle couple of G&Ts before supper ariund 8, then a hefty Malbec to go with the Singapore laksa (yes I know, non-canonical, sue me). Then I might go for a Grand Cru Bordeaux or a Gran Reserva Rioja to be slowly imbibed through the night, finishing with a slug of Macallan 30 year old and a Valium to knock me out til noon

    I’ve a bottle of Champagne to be opened when you lose your bet, you should take the first shot of your Macallan 30yo at the same time.
    I'm hoping my bet with @TimS will pay for my pricey Rioja

    I'm more confident than I was but far from certain

    The way I see it this election is epochal and remarkable on several levels:

    1. We may see the largest majority in British parliamentary history (and on a fairly modest vote)
    2. We may see the death or near death of the most sucessful party in western democratic history, and from an 80 Seat majority!
    3. We may see that same party overtaken as the Government or Opposition for the first time since the Jurassic Era, or the birth of @JackW
    4. We may see a new Opposition party for the first time since etc etc
    5. We may see the first birth of a genuine new big party, with a hefty vote, since the SDP, and with the potential to go further than them
    6. We may see the crushing of the SNP (which seems relatively minor, in this context, but still)
    7. We may see the sitting Prime Minister lose his seat, for the first time ever

    Any more?

    Potentially the the most dramatic election in anyone's lifetime. THIS IS IT
    Nah. 2016 Referendum was most dramatic and important.

    Had it gone a different way, this would have been an election for a glorified County Council.
    I wouldn't argue with that, but I specifically said ELECTION

    The Brexit ref was indeed bigger, it shook the world, not just the UK
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,016
    BobSykes said:

    Andy_JS said:

    By my calculations Labour should pass the winning post of 326 seats at around 4:15 to 4:30am

    And how many seats will the Tories have by then? That would be some heaping of the humiliation if Labour cross the winning post with Tories yet to get off the mark. Don't know if that's remotely plausible....
    Oddly enough the Tories will probably have won about two-thirds of the seats they're going to win overall at that time, however many that is.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,459
    Andy_JS said:

    "Konstantin Kisin
    @KonstantinKisin

    Happy 4th of July to my American friends. Please know that should your republic experiment prove unsuccessful as it is already looking, we, the magnanimous citizens of Great Britain, will welcome you back into the realm provided you never defile our tea again you absolute plebs."

    https://x.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1808843921918747040

    "Our tea"? IRC the stuff was shipped from India or China by the monopolistic East India Company, via the connivance of corrupt mostly Tory British insiders.

    And "citizens of Great Britain"? Or does KK not recognize UK claim to Northern Ireland? And replacing "subjects" with "citizens "is copy-catting American usage since 1776.

    Finally, note that MAGA Republicans led by Trump and his fellow travelers including most of SCOTUS are ideologically opposed to democracy, arguing that USA is properly a non-democratic (small d) REPUBLIC. Thus such nutbaggery as giving POTUS (at least Republican ones) monarchical powers, and wanting to let go back to having state legislatures elect US Senators AND presidential electors.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,601
    edited July 4
    LD efficiency:

    Say they win 65 seats - ie 10% of seats.

    Average winning vote share say 45%. That's 4.5% of total national vote in seats they win.

    If their national vote share is 11%, that means they get 6.5% of total national vote in the other 90% of seats which is an average vote share of 7.2%.

    Plausible but seems a stretch. Especially bearing in mind they are bound to have a fair number of near misses where their share is in the 30% area.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,052
    edited July 4
    Andy_JS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Four hours and nineteen minutes until... BOOM.

    Tonight I will be at the count where Douglas Ross, Andrew Bowie and hopefully Stephen Flynn all lose…
    I like the way they hold all the counts for Aberdeenshire in the same room.
    It takes a very long time to count them all though. I preferred it when it was just Gordon and the count was in Inverurie Academy or the town hall. Declaration closer to 2am than 5.30 like last time.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,043

    DM_Andy said:

    What's the oddest polling station people here have voted at? I once voted in a polling station that was literally someone's front room.

    On my bike ride at 11.00 this morning I passed a local village pub (The White Swan, Conington), which is also the polling station. A couple of people were sitting on a bench outside drinking something. And on a drive through rural Bedfordshire, there were polling station signs outside a church and another outside a village hall.

    My own polling station is a cricket pavilion. In fact, both the village's cricket pavilions are polling station today, as is what passes for the village hall.
    My polling station is a tiny portacabin outside the DVLA building. Can we swap?!
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,763
    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Four hours and nineteen minutes until... BOOM.

    It's much closer to the summer solstice than a normal election, sunset only 16 minutes before the exit poll. For Rochdale it won't have set !
    Nope. Sunset is 22:08
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,313
    edited July 4
    I was thinking of trying C4 coverage. As well as Rory and Alistair Campbell, they will have Emily Maitlis, whom I like a lot.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    edited July 4
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    What is everybody's media set- up?

    I've got a big TV, an iPad, a laptop, and my phone, all tuned to different aspects of the election. It's like NASA, but with much better wine

    My dilemma is when to start drinking. I can't wait til the exit poll that's too far away. I think a gentle couple of G&Ts before supper ariund 8, then a hefty Malbec to go with the Singapore laksa (yes I know, non-canonical, sue me). Then I might go for a Grand Cru Bordeaux or a Gran Reserva Rioja to be slowly imbibed through the night, finishing with a slug of Macallan 30 year old and a Valium to knock me out til noon

    TV. BBC for the theme tune. Mobile on PB.

    Probably switch the volume off on the TV unless something worth watching.

    Or switch it off. During the referendum I switched off TV and got all my reports from PB as I got irritated by the windbags on the panel. You don't really need anything else.
    Don't you want to see the drama written on all those faces?

    I LOVED the anguish of the Remainers, I drank their tears. It was cold cold lovely revenge after all their cheating and lying for decades

    They will get their own revenge now, but I don't give a fuck. We Brexited, and we will never return
    Firstly, of course we will return although it’s true that you may be dead before it happens, old man.

    Secondly, you were a Remainer until 20 metres from the polling station.

    Nothing you post is believable and everything is about you. You’re a sad old man embittered because the world no longer wants to read your tawdry tales of male sexual predation.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,187
    A second poll has Trump ahead of Biden in New Jersey.

    https://x.com/politics_polls/status/1808599144153661534
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,557
    Heathener said:

    Stocky said:

    BBC for coverage tonight?

    No itv is generally better and faster though i will watch the exit poll on the bbc.
    I’m somewhat off-put by the the 3 panellists they have selected:

    George Osborne

    Ed Balls

    Nicola Sturgeon
    Sturgeon is an inspired choice. I LOATHE her Nat politics but she's articulate and smart, even as she is quite provocative (which is a good thing on TV). I am genuinely interested to hear her opinion and I cannot predict what it will be, whereas I can with the other two centrist dads. She's a great recruit
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,658

    SteveS said:

    No lawyer has ever lost to a non-lawyer, until: https://xkcd.com/1122/

    No challenger whose father was a toolmaker has ever beaten a Southampton fan.
    Has a Southampton fan ever won?
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 962

    Andy_JS said:

    In surprising news, Peter Hitchens urges people to vote against Labour.

    https://x.com/triggerpod/status/1808561349884010933

    It is surprising because he's spent the last 20 years saying that the Tory party needs to be destroyed. Now that it might be happening, he's changed his mind.
    He just says whatever can make him the most miserable.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,727
    Andy_JS said:

    "Konstantin Kisin
    @KonstantinKisin

    Happy 4th of July to my American friends. Please know that should your republic experiment prove unsuccessful as it is already looking, we, the magnanimous citizens of Great Britain, will welcome you back into the realm provided you never defile our tea again you absolute plebs."

    https://x.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1808843921918747040

    The Americans have been dunking tea into cold water ever since.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,658
    Ghedebrav said:

    Knocked off work now and watching The Death Of Stalin. Seems appropes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsw9PAo7ai0
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252

    Andy_JS said:

    "Konstantin Kisin
    @KonstantinKisin

    Happy 4th of July to my American friends. Please know that should your republic experiment prove unsuccessful as it is already looking, we, the magnanimous citizens of Great Britain, will welcome you back into the realm provided you never defile our tea again you absolute plebs."

    https://x.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1808843921918747040



    Finally, note that MAGA Republicans led by Trump and his fellow travelers including most of SCOTUS are ideologically opposed to democracy, arguing that USA is properly a non-democratic (small d) REPUBLIC. Thus such nutbaggery as giving POTUS (at least Republican ones) monarchical powers, and wanting to let go back to having state legislatures elect US Senators AND presidential electors.
    You mean they want them "elected" much the same way that EU commissioners are "elected"

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,016
    One of the best moments in the history of PB.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,658

    Proof that lawyers are awesome. The rest of us pay their exorbitant fees in order to keep them in the life to which they are accustomed.

    I have extremely modest needs. £5m would probably cover it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,016
    Jason Beer KC for PM.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,557
    edited July 4
    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    What is everybody's media set- up?

    I've got a big TV, an iPad, a laptop, and my phone, all tuned to different aspects of the election. It's like NASA, but with much better wine

    My dilemma is when to start drinking. I can't wait til the exit poll that's too far away. I think a gentle couple of G&Ts before supper ariund 8, then a hefty Malbec to go with the Singapore laksa (yes I know, non-canonical, sue me). Then I might go for a Grand Cru Bordeaux or a Gran Reserva Rioja to be slowly imbibed through the night, finishing with a slug of Macallan 30 year old and a Valium to knock me out til noon

    TV. BBC for the theme tune. Mobile on PB.

    Probably switch the volume off on the TV unless something worth watching.

    Or switch it off. During the referendum I switched off TV and got all my reports from PB as I got irritated by the windbags on the panel. You don't really need anything else.
    Don't you want to see the drama written on all those faces?

    I LOVED the anguish of the Remainers, I drank their tears. It was cold cold lovely revenge after all their cheating and lying for decades

    They will get their own revenge now, but I don't give a fuck. We Brexited, and we will never return
    Firstly, of course we will return although it’s true that you may be dead before it happens, old man.

    Secondly, you were a Remainer until 20 metres from the polling station.

    Nothing you post is believable and everything is about you. You’re a sad old man embittered because the world no longer wants to read your tawdry tales of male sexual predation.
    We've been through this, petal. I earn more than the PM (by salary!). I just had lunch with my agent at the Groucho, today, where we discussed the likely screen adaptation of my flint knapping memoirs, and the worldwide sales of my new flint knapping guide, already bought by several territories (Poland, Finland, Germany, etc). Sorry

    She also gave me brilliant gossip about Starmer, which might unsettle your feminist perspective on the Great Leader manque
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,052
    MikeL said:

    LD efficiency:

    Say they win 65 seats - ie 10% of seats.

    Average winning vote share say 45%. That's 4.5% of total national vote in seats they win.

    If their national vote share is 11%, that means they get 6.5% of total national vote in the other 90% of seats which is an average vote share of 7.2%.

    Plausible but seems a stretch. Especially bearing in mind they are bound to have a fair number of near misses where their share is in the 30% area.

    Which is why my forecast was roughly 40 seats.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,372
    Heathener said:

    Stocky said:

    BBC for coverage tonight?

    No itv is generally better and faster though i will watch the exit poll on the bbc.
    I’m somewhat off-put by the the 3 panellists they have selected:

    George Osborne

    Ed Balls

    Nicola Sturgeon
    Could be worse. Channel 4 have mad Nads.

    I might switch over for a laugh, but no way for extended viewing.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,727

    I was thinking of trying C4 coverage. As well as Rory and Alistair Campbell, they will have Emily Maitlis, whom I like a lot.

    Question is whether they deploy the infrastructure to stay on top of the results and analysis, or whether you’re basically watching a chat show with the news being fed from someone in the next room watching the BBC?
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    edited July 4

    Heard from two reliable sources.

    Post work surge to vote is reminiscent of the Brexit referendum vote.

    But but "putin" "racism"..
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,187
    edited July 4

    Heard from two reliable sources.

    Post work surge to vote is reminiscent of the Brexit referendum vote.

    Post work at 18:05? Must be the lawyers.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,681
    Stocky said:

    The Conservative Party Seats market with bf will be worth keeping tabs on.

    Currently:

    50-99 2.02
    100-149 2.84
    150-199 9.2

    Hmm… quite tempted by that 150-199. My own prediction is below that - in the 120s - but enough could go just right in just enough seats to get them to 150, fairly easily.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,601
    Wiki graph now updated for all final polls.

    Final averages:

    Lab 39
    Con 21.5
    Ref 15.5
    LD 11
    Grn 6.5

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2024_United_Kingdom_general_election
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,636
    DavidL said:

    SteveS said:

    No lawyer has ever lost to a non-lawyer, until: https://xkcd.com/1122/

    No challenger whose father was a toolmaker has ever beaten a Southampton fan.
    Has a Southampton fan ever won?
    Man Utd v Southampton cup final on the 1st May 1976 when Utd lost to Southampton 0 - 1 and I was there !!!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,658
    Ghedebrav said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Knocked off work now and watching The Death Of Stalin. Seems appropes.

    Is that live?
    Netflix
    Just a brilliant film Zhukov steals the show.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,667

    Heard from two reliable sources.

    Post work surge to vote is reminiscent of the Brexit referendum vote.

    But but "putin" "racism"..
    The school run surge was pretty strong here - which won't be such good news for Putin's mate.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,763

    rcs1000 said:

    Four hours and nineteen minutes until... BOOM.

    Tonight I will be at the count where Douglas Ross, Andrew Bowie and hopefully Stephen Flynn all lose…
    Are the counts at the Beach Ballroom still?
    No sir. The shire and the city counted together at TECA
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,120
    Farooq said:

    MikeL said:

    Betfair suggesting very efficient LD vote.

    Vote share band 10% to 11.99% is favourite.

    But also well odds on (1.61) to get over 60 seats.

    Obviously both are entirely possible but would seem extraordinarily efficient.

    The sick thing is, that "efficiency" is still low. 9.5% of the seats on 11% of the vote. Shows how unbalanced our system really is that this is an achievement (and it really is).
    That still strikes me as unlikely in terms of vote efficiency for the Lib Dems. Their high water mark was 62 seats in 2005, but that was on 22%. Conservatives are much lower now with the RefUK fissure, and Labour have been helpful in terms of tacit support for tactical voting and avoiding more than a couple of red on gold scraps. But it would be VERY efficient and there is value in below 60.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,106
    edited July 4
    Just under 4 hours to go to the exit poll.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,763
    edited July 4
    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Four hours and nineteen minutes until... BOOM.

    Tonight I will be at the count where Douglas Ross, Andrew Bowie and hopefully Stephen Flynn all lose…
    Good luck, but go prepared to be disappointed. Standing in a GE is an activity with very little relationship between effort and reward, let alone merit and reward.

    As a matter of simple mathematics, if the LibDems are forecast to win a shedload of MPs on barely more than a tenth of the vote, LibDems everywhere else are going to poll extraordinarily badly. Just think of your lack of votes as doing your bit to make the sums work out better for the target seats!
    Point of order. Where did I claim that we would beat these three candidates? Ross is toast. When people are raising Duguid outside the polling station as their motivation to vote you know that Ross is toast.

    I got introduced to a member of Banff and Buchan Tory Association. Across the square from their HQ. He was not voting for Ross either…
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,261
    Dopermean said:

    Sandpit said:

    Heathener said:

    Managed an hour’s sleep. Would have liked a bit more. I may cat nap before 10pm. Or rather dog nap as I have two little doggies next to me in bed as I type.

    Can I pull an all-nighter from here? Going to try.

    Feeling it in my bones that this is going to be seismic for the tories.

    The only time I can sleep in the daytime is after an overnight flight back from the US or Canada where I've been awake all the way. I stare with bafflement at those who doze off on the train in the middle of the afternoon.

    After a poor night's sleep last night, little or none tonight, then having to stay up tomorrow evening for the footy, I might be getting a bit of a lie-in on Saturday.
    After 36 years of shift working and 24/7 on call I can sleep anywhere, anytime. Helicopters are great - an hour or two's enforced napping in a rubber suit. Trains, although the fear of missing my stop causes some sleep issues. Cars as my wife normally drives and I doze.

    Though oddly I never sleep more than about 5 hours in any 24. my normal non-travelling sleep pattern is 2am to 6 or 7 am.
    Okay, anyone who can sleep in helicopters is officially mad. You must have the world’s best noise-cancelling headphones.
    Not allowed them. We wear the provided ear defenders and ear plugs as well. The vibration is a bigger issue but once you get used to it it is not so bad. A few yeasr ago I worked out I had done somewhere north of 750 chopper flights.
    Any splashdowns?
    A colleague was on a chopper in GOM and a local told him he'd had 2 or 3 on GOM trips.
    Once in the Mediterranean off Tunisia. Not something I would like to repeat. Nearly had one off Norway about 20 years ago but we managed to limp to a nearby platform.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,106
    Foxy said:

    Heathener said:

    Stocky said:

    BBC for coverage tonight?

    No itv is generally better and faster though i will watch the exit poll on the bbc.
    I’m somewhat off-put by the the 3 panellists they have selected:

    George Osborne

    Ed Balls

    Nicola Sturgeon
    Could be worse. Channel 4 have mad Nads.

    I might switch over for a laugh, but no way for extended viewing.
    They also have an army of centrist Dads too.

    Unwatchable.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,667
    DavidL said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Knocked off work now and watching The Death Of Stalin. Seems appropes.

    Is that live?
    Netflix
    Just a brilliant film Zhukov steals the show.
    Everyone says that but to my mind Simon Russell Beale as Beria is the most brilliant. He perfects "dickhead".
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,052
    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    What is everybody's media set- up?

    I've got a big TV, an iPad, a laptop, and my phone, all tuned to different aspects of the election. It's like NASA, but with much better wine

    My dilemma is when to start drinking. I can't wait til the exit poll that's too far away. I think a gentle couple of G&Ts before supper ariund 8, then a hefty Malbec to go with the Singapore laksa (yes I know, non-canonical, sue me). Then I might go for a Grand Cru Bordeaux or a Gran Reserva Rioja to be slowly imbibed through the night, finishing with a slug of Macallan 30 year old and a Valium to knock me out til noon

    TV. BBC for the theme tune. Mobile on PB.

    Probably switch the volume off on the TV unless something worth watching.

    Or switch it off. During the referendum I switched off TV and got all my reports from PB as I got irritated by the windbags on the panel. You don't really need anything else.
    Don't you want to see the drama written on all those faces?

    I LOVED the anguish of the Remainers, I drank their tears. It was cold cold lovely revenge after all their cheating and lying for decades

    They will get their own revenge now, but I don't give a fuck. We Brexited, and we will never return
    Firstly, of course we will return although it’s true that you may be dead before it happens, old man.

    Secondly, you were a Remainer until 20 metres from the polling station.

    Nothing you post is believable and everything is about you. You’re a sad old man embittered because the world no longer wants to read your tawdry tales of male sexual predation.
    We've been through this, petal. I earn more than the PM (by salary!). I just had lunch with my agent at the Groucho, today, where we discussed the likely screen adaptation of my flint knapping memoirs, and the worldwide sales of my new flint knapping guide, already bought by several territories (Poland, Finland, Germany, etc). Sorry

    She also gave me brilliant gossip about Starmer, which might unsettle your feminist perspective on the Great Leader manque
    Petal???? Even for a seedy old roue like yourself that´s unneccessarily patronising..

    The Groucho´s Bernard Manning, Ladies and Gentlemen... slightly less dead, but he´s here all week.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,727

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Four hours and nineteen minutes until... BOOM.

    Tonight I will be at the count where Douglas Ross, Andrew Bowie and hopefully Stephen Flynn all lose…
    Good luck, but go prepared to be disappointed. Standing in a GE is an activity with very little relationship between effort and reward, let alone merit and reward.

    As a matter of simple mathematics, if the LibDems are forecast to win a shedload of MPs on barely more than a tenth of the vote, LibDems everywhere else are going to poll extraordinarily badly. Just think of your lack of votes as doing your bit to make the sums work out better for the target seats!
    Point of order. Where did I claim that we would beat these three candidates?
    I was simply referring to the vote shares. I don’t think anyone including yourself is expecting a win. I just think that LibDems away from the top targets are going to be seriously squeezed.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,658
    Andy_JS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Four hours and nineteen minutes until... BOOM.

    Tonight I will be at the count where Douglas Ross, Andrew Bowie and hopefully Stephen Flynn all lose…
    I like the way they hold all the counts for Aberdeenshire in the same room.
    Classic Aberdonians. Saving on the leccy.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,640

    Heard from two reliable sources.

    Post work surge to vote is reminiscent of the Brexit referendum vote.

    But but "putin" "racism"..
    People who work are not the typical Reform/Conservative voter.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,727
    Clarkson’s Farm 3 doesn’t have as much Calib-Clarkson interplay as the earlier ones.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,667

    Farooq said:

    MikeL said:

    Betfair suggesting very efficient LD vote.

    Vote share band 10% to 11.99% is favourite.

    But also well odds on (1.61) to get over 60 seats.

    Obviously both are entirely possible but would seem extraordinarily efficient.

    The sick thing is, that "efficiency" is still low. 9.5% of the seats on 11% of the vote. Shows how unbalanced our system really is that this is an achievement (and it really is).
    That still strikes me as unlikely in terms of vote efficiency for the Lib Dems. Their high water mark was 62 seats in 2005, but that was on 22%. Conservatives are much lower now with the RefUK fissure, and Labour have been helpful in terms of tacit support for tactical voting and avoiding more than a couple of red on gold scraps. But it would be VERY efficient and there is value in below 60.
    The most insanely efficient was SNP in 2015. 56 seats on 4.7% of the vote.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,698
    MikeL said:

    LD efficiency:

    Say they win 65 seats - ie 10% of seats.

    Average winning vote share say 45%. That's 4.5% of total national vote in seats they win.

    If their national vote share is 11%, that means they get 6.5% of total national vote in the other 90% of seats which is an average vote share of 7.2%.

    Plausible but seems a stretch. Especially bearing in mind they are bound to have a fair number of near misses where their share is in the 30% area.

    I don't believe their average winning share is going to be anywhere near 45%. If you look at Scotland - which was a four way split in 2019 and is probably the best comparison - they got:

    37% in Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross
    40% in Edinburgh West
    43% in North East Fife
    45% in Orkney & Shetland (albeit the constituency is very small)

    41% is probably a better average. And it may well be lower.
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 962

    Heard from two reliable sources.

    Post work surge to vote is reminiscent of the Brexit referendum vote.

    But but "putin" "racism"..
    What does post work mean?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,327
    Andy_JS said:

    algarkirk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Tories on the edge of being forced into third place in seats according to Survation.


    "Survation.
    @Survation
    MRP Final Update

    We published our final polling call last night based on our telephone poll conducted between the 1st and the 3rd of July, alongside an updated set of MRP estimates.

    Overnight, we ran the model again, which now includes the final responses collected by telephone yesterday evening, but with a higher number of simulations (800). This will be our final update of any kind for this General Election. Below are our updated MRP seat estimates for GE 2024, with changes vs. 3rd July 2024.

    Final probabilistic seat count:

    Labour: 470 (-5)
    Conservative: 68 (+4)
    Liberal Democrats: 59 (-1)
    Scottish National Party: 14 (+1)
    Reform UK: 15 (+2)
    Green Party: 4 (+1)
    Plaid Cymru: 3 (-1)"

    https://x.com/Survation/status/1808888765970096600

    Two takes from Survation - who are on the outer edge of the predictors (Labour high, Tory low), for innumerates like me who want early result indications:

    Basildon: Survation say Labour squeak home.
    Broxbourne: Tory and Labour chances dead level.
    If the Tories can't win Broxbourne they might as well give up completely.
    Whatever the result there, it will be interesting, if it comes early. Labour (notional) need a 20 point swing; Reform are in the mix; predictors are all over the place, as here (a few days out of date)

    https://inglesp.github.io/apogee/constituencies/E14001139/
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,459

    I think I've voted every time I could for 61 years. Councils, Referenda, General Elections. The only time I can remember not doing so was when the Returning Officer wouldn't accept my signature on a postal ballot earlier this year.
    The first vote I cast was in the GE of 1959, when the qualifying age was 21.

    With respect to your rejected postal ballot, IF you had been voting in Washington State, you would have received an official letter telling you your ballot was rejected due to mismatched signature, along with a form you could return with your signature, affirming that you were you and that your current scrawl is indeed your John Hancock.

    Then if that sig matched the one on your return ballot envelope, your ballot would be accepted for counting, provided your response was received prior to official certification of the election.

    Sorry you were disenfranchised due to your age & medical condition; unfortunately (and IMHO unnecessarily) you are NOT alone.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,813

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Four hours and nineteen minutes until... BOOM.

    Tonight I will be at the count where Douglas Ross, Andrew Bowie and hopefully Stephen Flynn all lose…
    Good luck, but go prepared to be disappointed. Standing in a GE is an activity with very little relationship between effort and reward, let alone merit and reward.

    As a matter of simple mathematics, if the LibDems are forecast to win a shedload of MPs on barely more than a tenth of the vote, LibDems everywhere else are going to poll extraordinarily badly. Just think of your lack of votes as doing your bit to make the sums work out better for the target seats!
    Point of order. Where did I claim that we would beat these three candidates? Ross is toast. When people are raising Duguid outside the polling station as their motivation to vote you know that Ross is toast.

    I got introduced to a member of Banff and Buchan Tory Association. Across the square from their HQ. He was not voting for Ross either…
    *Checks Wiki*

    Are you predicting a shock gain for RefUK? 😄
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