It’s only a sub-sample but.. – politicalbetting.com

18-24 year olds don’t vote though.

(First)

kle4 said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

carnforth said:

MisterBedfordshire said:

God Taunton is grim. This bit of it anyway.

Any party got a policy to annexe it and make it part of Minehead in their manifesto?

They would know how to deal with eel poisoning Glastonbury Drug Abusers. Oh Yes.

Market towns have been hollowed out by the motor car. A hundred years ago the middle class solicitor, teacher, doctor would have lived in town. Now they've pissed off to the villages.

Decent cheap breakfast or tea & cake at the indoor market if you're still there tomorrow.

It is sad how many empty shops and tat shops there are in what is one of Englands nicer county towns.

Sadly the small villages that were home as recently as the 1970s to many farm workers and labours etc. are just commuter dwellings now and contractors drive tens of miles to work farms.

Why's it sad?

Its free choice and people moving on.

So pathetic to see people bemoaning a century old technology.

What next, ban the Internet so people go shopping in the stores instead of Amazon.

We have cars and the Internet, that's progress. If we don't want shops, that's no big deal, that land can be repurposed for other more valuable use.

I don't celebrate the hollowing out of small towns. I live in a small town. But times have moved on, and I don't see what could possibly restore it. People's habits are different, and what measures people do suggest don't seem like they would massively impact things.

Town centres will presumably be mostly for living in and eating out.

Having restaurants in walking distance of your home is no bad thing.

Any big shopping can be done in a car which can carry your shopping home, preferably out of town for those living in town so town isn't congested with totally unnecessary traffic.

Having a vibrant restaurant and nightlife isn't something to be upset about, nor is having homes for people.

Most people under 50 probably would probably rather have homes and restaurants than shops anyway.

The John Oliver link...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjRprPfpvyGAxU3lf0HHUfwAMEQwqsBegQIQRAF&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkAqwHiAR-g&usg=AOvVaw1J9aVZjbbRMO6LOxFBMQ2n&opi=89978449

If you were under 50, why would you be voting for more of the same? It would be insanity, unless perhaps one had a bet on it.

Beibheirli_C said:

TimS said:

18-24 year olds don’t vote though.

(First)

They are idiots. Their demographic could swing entire elections. They could have prevented Brexit if they really wanted to. They could be the electoral counterweight to the grey vote, effectively neutralising it.

Not entirely, there's a lot more of the old than the young, but they are enough to make a true difference if they turned out at the same levels.

Penddu2 said:

The John Oliver link...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjRprPfpvyGAxU3lf0HHUfwAMEQwqsBegQIQRAF&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkAqwHiAR-g&usg=AOvVaw1J9aVZjbbRMO6LOxFBMQ2n&opi=89978449

Blocked to UK viewers

FPT
O/T (completely bonkers more like) Would it be possible to introduce a higher employer's national insurance rate for immigrant workers. It'd make no immediate difference to the sainted NHS (receipts out=receipts in), but would encourage "British Jobs for British Workers". The NHS would also see they could optimize their budget if they went domestic. We have a higher tax rate for graduates (although it's not called that) so it's not completely off the wall? You'd want a nice 5 year tapered introduction so employers could train up domestic staff obviously. A Brexit benefit?

noneoftheabove said:

https://www.gov.uk/uk-visa-sponsorship-employers/immigration-skills-charge

There already is an additional surcharge, not part of employer NI but to the same effect.

But this is (a) for workers with pay > £30K and (b) only 3%. How about 20% for care workers?

https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1806378414984544570?s=19
Quality people from bottom to top

noneoftheabove said:

Beibheirli_C said:

TimS said:

18-24 year olds don’t vote though.

(First)

They are idiots. Their demographic could swing entire elections. They could have prevented Brexit if they really wanted to. They could be the electoral counterweight to the grey vote, effectively neutralising it.

Most 18-24s years old do vote, and the turnout gap isn't that big anymore . It is harder for them as they move more often so need ot be pro-active about registering and will have more restrictions on a particular Thursday between 10-10. This probably accounts for most of the variation rather than apathy.

Only about 50% voted in 2019 whereas 40 y.o. were nearer 70% and pensioners were at 80%

Good lord those tables look way worse than the headline VI for the Tories to me.

Well looks like Reform UK won't make their breakthrough in seat numbers this year.........

https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1806374007521849668

DavidL said:

I am not getting a lot of joy out of this election but the thing I find most irritating is the number of muppets minded to vote for Reform and, indirectly, 10 years of socialist government. There have been suggestions for a while that IQs are falling but this is a jump off a tall bridge.

You begin to wonder if democracy is just too hard for some people.

I think the video revealed by channel 4 today will give many pause for thought.......it's not pretty. I say this as someone who wanted them as the main opposition.

SEVEN DAYS TO SAVE THE TORY PARTY!!!

The Ref candidate being disowned in Basingstoke isn't the best of news for Labour because it could obviously mean the Tory vote is slightly higher than it would otherwise have been, and mess up their chances of winning the seat for the first time ever.

Andy_JS said:

The Ref candidate being disowned in Basingstoke isn't the best of news for Labour because it could obviously mean the Tory vote is slightly higher than it would otherwise have been.

9/2 with Bet365 to hold is probably value

TheScreamingEagles said:

I wonder what first attracted him to Reform?

Interesting he apologises to Farage and Reform but not to Sunak?

A volunteer Reform UK canvasser has been filmed calling Rishi Sunak a “f---ing P---” by an undercover reporter.

Channel 4 News filmed the remarks in Clacton, where Nigel Farage is running to be MP, by Andrew Parker.

“I’ve always been a Tory voter,” he said. “But what annoys me is that f---ing P--- we’ve got in. What good is he? You tell me, you know. He’s just wet. F---ing useless.”

In a statement, Mr Parker said: “I would like to make it clear that neither Nigel Farage personally or the Reform Party are aware of my personal views on immigration.”

He added: “I would therefore like to apologise profusely to Nigel Farage and the Reform Party if my personal views have reflected badly on them and brought them into disrepute as this was not my intention.

Mr Farage said: “I am dismayed by the reported comments of a handful of people associated with my local campaign, particularly those who are volunteers. They will no longer be with the campaign.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/27/general-election-live-sunak-starmer-farage/

Well, at least he is not denying what he said as some do even when recorded.

Though I must have missed how calling people a f***ing p*** is a 'view on immigration'.

All he had to do was leave out that sentence and he could have abused Rishi to his heart's content.

Nunu5 said:

DavidL said:

I am not getting a lot of joy out of this election but the thing I find most irritating is the number of muppets minded to vote for Reform and, indirectly, 10 years of socialist government. There have been suggestions for a while that IQs are falling but this is a jump off a tall bridge.

You begin to wonder if democracy is just too hard for some people.

I think the video revealed by channel 4 today will give many pause for thought.......it's not pretty. I say this as someone who wanted them as the main opposition.

I sincerely apologise to all muppets. Stating you were the equivalent of Reform voters was grossly unfair.

TheScreamingEagles said:

I wonder what first attracted him to Reform?

Interesting he apologises to Farage and Reform but not to Sunak?

A volunteer Reform UK canvasser has been filmed calling Rishi Sunak a “f---ing P---” by an undercover reporter.

Channel 4 News filmed the remarks in Clacton, where Nigel Farage is running to be MP, by Andrew Parker.

“I’ve always been a Tory voter,” he said. “But what annoys me is that f---ing P--- we’ve got in. What good is he? You tell me, you know. He’s just wet. F---ing useless.”

In a statement, Mr Parker said: “I would like to make it clear that neither Nigel Farage personally or the Reform Party are aware of my personal views on immigration.”

He added: “I would therefore like to apologise profusely to Nigel Farage and the Reform Party if my personal views have reflected badly on them and brought them into disrepute as this was not my intention.

Mr Farage said: “I am dismayed by the reported comments of a handful of people associated with my local campaign, particularly those who are volunteers. They will no longer be with the campaign.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/27/general-election-live-sunak-starmer-farage/

It’s hard to overlook his complete ignorance of the sub continent but let’s face it, there is no beginning to his ignorance. It is infinite.

Viewcode. Sorry I missed your post. So many it's impossible to keep up. Here is the Vox Pop
from Fareham. I found it interesting and quite illuminating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK8BHiWLBV8

Sunil_Prasannan said:

SEVEN DAYS TO SAVE THE TORY PARTY!!!

Tory freedom day, just one week away.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

SEVEN DAYS TO SAVE THE TORY PARTY!!!

In 7 days time, there will be just 4 Reform candidates not disowned....

Nunu5 said:

Well looks like Reform UK won't make their breakthrough in seat numbers this year.........

https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1806374007521849668

Abhorrent, but does this put off much of their base?

BartholomewRoberts said:

Beibheirli_C said:

TimS said:

18-24 year olds don’t vote though.

(First)

They are idiots. Their demographic could swing entire elections. They could have prevented Brexit if they really wanted to. They could be the electoral counterweight to the grey vote, effectively neutralising it.

Maths question.

Estimate what percentage of adults are both 18-24 on 04/07/2024 and were old enough to vote on 23/06/2016.

I think he's suggesting it's more of a rolling idiocy.

TheScreamingEagles said:

DavidL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I wonder what first attracted him to Reform?

Interesting he apologises to Farage and Reform but not to Sunak?

A volunteer Reform UK canvasser has been filmed calling Rishi Sunak a “f---ing P---” by an undercover reporter.

Channel 4 News filmed the remarks in Clacton, where Nigel Farage is running to be MP, by Andrew Parker.

“I’ve always been a Tory voter,” he said. “But what annoys me is that f---ing P--- we’ve got in. What good is he? You tell me, you know. He’s just wet. F---ing useless.”

In a statement, Mr Parker said: “I would like to make it clear that neither Nigel Farage personally or the Reform Party are aware of my personal views on immigration.”

He added: “I would therefore like to apologise profusely to Nigel Farage and the Reform Party if my personal views have reflected badly on them and brought them into disrepute as this was not my intention.

Mr Farage said: “I am dismayed by the reported comments of a handful of people associated with my local campaign, particularly those who are volunteers. They will no longer be with the campaign.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/27/general-election-live-sunak-starmer-farage/

It’s hard to overlook his complete ignorance of the sub continent but let’s face it, there is no beginning to his ignorance. It is infinite.

A vote for Reform is a vote for Putin and racism.

Yes. And this is so blindingly obvious that you despair.

kle4 said:

Beibheirli_C said:

TimS said:

18-24 year olds don’t vote though.

(First)

They are idiots. Their demographic could swing entire elections. They could have prevented Brexit if they really wanted to. They could be the electoral counterweight to the grey vote, effectively neutralising it.

Not entirely, there's a lot more of the old than the young, but they are enough to make a true difference if they turned out at the same levels.

But they won't. Nowhere near.

They aren't registered to vote in big enough numbers for one thing.

My dad once tried to convince me that P*** was no different to Brit (indeed, I could use it without a filter in most publications), but he did accept that people he had referred to by the term when at school he did not know exactly where they came from*, which undercut his point a little.

*other than Slough.

Maybe Reform get no more than 5% in the end?

williamglenn said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

DavidL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I wonder what first attracted him to Reform?

Interesting he apologises to Farage and Reform but not to Sunak?

A volunteer Reform UK canvasser has been filmed calling Rishi Sunak a “f---ing P---” by an undercover reporter.

Channel 4 News filmed the remarks in Clacton, where Nigel Farage is running to be MP, by Andrew Parker.

“I’ve always been a Tory voter,” he said. “But what annoys me is that f---ing P--- we’ve got in. What good is he? You tell me, you know. He’s just wet. F---ing useless.”

In a statement, Mr Parker said: “I would like to make it clear that neither Nigel Farage personally or the Reform Party are aware of my personal views on immigration.”

He added: “I would therefore like to apologise profusely to Nigel Farage and the Reform Party if my personal views have reflected badly on them and brought them into disrepute as this was not my intention.

Mr Farage said: “I am dismayed by the reported comments of a handful of people associated with my local campaign, particularly those who are volunteers. They will no longer be with the campaign.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/27/general-election-live-sunak-starmer-farage/

It’s hard to overlook his complete ignorance of the sub continent but let’s face it, there is no beginning to his ignorance. It is infinite.

A vote for Reform is a vote for Putin and racism.

"The basket of deplorables..."

January 6th confirmed that Hillary was spot on.

TheScreamingEagles said:

People owe David Cameron an apology, he nailed it when he said

Ukip is sort of a bunch of ... fruitcakes and loonies and closet racists mostly

Careful, you'll be accused of causing such views by sneering at them.

londonpubman said:

Maybe Reform get no more than 5% in the end?

I think 10-15% is their range myself. Views are set, many votes already cast, and so many people very angry.

Tweedledee said:

kle4 said:

My dad once tried to convince me that P*** was no different to Brit (indeed, I could use it without a filter in most publications), but he did accept that people he had referred to by the term when at school he did not know exactly where they came from*, which undercut his point a little.

*other than Slough.

And don't get me started on "subcontinent", what on earth makes Europe a continent and India only sub?

Because it isn't a continent?

*Apologies if you were being deliberately thick for comic effect.

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

People owe David Cameron an apology, he nailed it when he said

Ukip is sort of a bunch of ... fruitcakes and loonies and closet racists mostly

Careful, you'll be accused of causing such views by sneering at them.

I never sneer.

Sandpit said:

Bowlers and fielders doing well to keep the score down here.

So of course the next ball goes for six!

IanB2 said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

SEVEN DAYS TO SAVE THE TORY PARTY!!!

Tory freedom day, just one week away.

For several of us, this is the last Conservative government in our lifetime, based on the recent pattern of three-term party rule. On the other hand, it is not five years ago we were looking forward to a decade under World King Boris after his 80-seat majority.

Tweedledee said:

kle4 said:

My dad once tried to convince me that P*** was no different to Brit (indeed, I could use it without a filter in most publications), but he did accept that people he had referred to by the term when at school he did not know exactly where they came from*, which undercut his point a little.

*other than Slough.

And don't get me started on "subcontinent", what on earth makes Europe a continent and India only sub?

I think that's actually intended as a kind of compliment - it's so significant that even though it doesn't fit even the woolly idea of what a continent is, it should still include the continent label.

But really Europe makes no sense geographically as one, so we should all just pile in on Afro-Eurasia.

IanB2 said:

DavidL said:

I am not getting a lot of joy out of this election but the thing I find most irritating is the number of muppets minded to vote for Reform and, indirectly, 10 years of socialist government. There have been suggestions for a while that IQs are falling but this is a jump off a tall bridge.

You begin to wonder if democracy is just too hard for some people.

But if we had real democracy, their votes would be properly and fairly represented.

What you are really railing against is that the inbuilt fix in our voting system that has pampered and favoured the Tories for so long, just might work hugely against them this time around.

That the Tories might get to feel how the LibDems have, winning 20-25% of the national vote and yet taking away just a tiny handful of seats, is just part of the karma that is, hopefully, incoming your way in just a week’s time.

As a SCON DavidL will have had experience of 25% of the vote with little to show for it.

Great statistic in the header about 18-24 year olds.........

The Futures Bright.

The Future's Orange

(and red and green)

Sandpit said:

Bowlers and fielders doing well to keep the score down here.

What did you do?!

Got him!

Speaking of, UKIP stood 44 candidates in 2019 and got 23k votes, fewer than the Scottish Greens from 22 seats, and less than twice that of the Ashfield Independents from 1. They only got about twice as many as the Liberal Party.

This time they are standing in only 24 seats, below even that of the RejoinEU, Heritage, and Yorksihire parties.

DavidL said:

Nunu5 said:

DavidL said:

I am not getting a lot of joy out of this election but the thing I find most irritating is the number of muppets minded to vote for Reform and, indirectly, 10 years of socialist government. There have been suggestions for a while that IQs are falling but this is a jump off a tall bridge.

You begin to wonder if democracy is just too hard for some people.

I think the video revealed by channel 4 today will give many pause for thought.......it's not pretty. I say this as someone who wanted them as the main opposition.

I sincerely apologise to all muppets. Stating you were the equivalent of Reform voters was grossly unfair.

I'm afraid they are our Deplorables - unPC though it is to say it.

kle4 said:

My dad once tried to convince me that P*** was no different to Brit (indeed, I could use it without a filter in most publications), but he did accept that people he had referred to by the term when at school he did not know exactly where they came from*, which undercut his point a little.

*other than Slough.

Its quite a few years since I heard anyone say 'Paki' and it was by an Asian bloke referring to a large number living in a certain street.

I was somewhat curious as to whether he was referring to people of Pakistani background or Asians generally.

IanB2 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

DavidL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I wonder what first attracted him to Reform?

Interesting he apologises to Farage and Reform but not to Sunak?

A volunteer Reform UK canvasser has been filmed calling Rishi Sunak a “f---ing P---” by an undercover reporter.

Channel 4 News filmed the remarks in Clacton, where Nigel Farage is running to be MP, by Andrew Parker.

“I’ve always been a Tory voter,” he said. “But what annoys me is that f---ing P--- we’ve got in. What good is he? You tell me, you know. He’s just wet. F---ing useless.”

In a statement, Mr Parker said: “I would like to make it clear that neither Nigel Farage personally or the Reform Party are aware of my personal views on immigration.”

He added: “I would therefore like to apologise profusely to Nigel Farage and the Reform Party if my personal views have reflected badly on them and brought them into disrepute as this was not my intention.

Mr Farage said: “I am dismayed by the reported comments of a handful of people associated with my local campaign, particularly those who are volunteers. They will no longer be with the campaign.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/27/general-election-live-sunak-starmer-farage/

It’s hard to overlook his complete ignorance of the sub continent but let’s face it, there is no beginning to his ignorance. It is infinite.

A vote for Reform is a vote for Putin and racism.

Yet Sean is voting Labour.

No he's voting Reform.

TimS said:

noneoftheabove said:

Beibheirli_C said:

TimS said:

18-24 year olds don’t vote though.

(First)

They are idiots. Their demographic could swing entire elections. They could have prevented Brexit if they really wanted to. They could be the electoral counterweight to the grey vote, effectively neutralising it.

Most 18-24s years old do vote, and the turnout gap isn't that big anymore . It is harder for them as they move more often so need ot be pro-active about registering and will have more restrictions on a particular Thursday between 10-10. This probably accounts for most of the variation rather than apathy.

Most is pushing it, but actually there’s an interesting pattern by age group per the British election study, for which I’ll use my daily picture.



Those 25-34 and 35-44 year olds are the real laggards. Millennials in other words.

GenX take our civic duties more seriously.

The same study demonstrates that only the Lib Dems have equal support across all the generations. That’s our timeless appeal.

https://www.britishelectionstudy.com/bes-findings/age-and-voting-behaviour-at-the-2019-general-election/

So the people in rented housing who get moved from place to place against their will requiring reregistering with dozens of authorities and companies each time and have to work long hours with less flexibility are less likely to register and turn up on a given Thursday. I wonder why?

Channel 4 expose on racism in Farages Party just starting

That must have taken 5 minutes to research

kle4 said:

My dad once tried to convince me that P*** was no different to Brit (indeed, I could use it without a filter in most publications), but he did accept that people he had referred to by the term when at school he did not know exactly where they came from*, which undercut his point a little.

*other than Slough.

A while back I heard an anecdote - and I've no idea if it's true.

A couple of decades ago, a USAF trainee pilot of Pakistani origin was dubbed the P-word. This was informally okayed by the senior officers, until an exchange pilot mentioned that it might not be a good nickname. After which it was rapidly (and unusually) changed.

Words can have different cultural meanings in different countries.

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Tweedledee said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Tweedledee said:

kle4 said:

My dad once tried to convince me that P*** was no different to Brit (indeed, I could use it without a filter in most publications), but he did accept that people he had referred to by the term when at school he did not know exactly where they came from*, which undercut his point a little.

*other than Slough.

And don't get me started on "subcontinent", what on earth makes Europe a continent and India only sub?

Because it isn't a continent?

*Apologies if you were being deliberately thick for comic effect.

It's not a subcontinent either, it's part of Asia just as Europe is. Are you doing some meta thing here, being deliberately thick about being deliberately thick?

Oh OK, we're not supposed to use the accepted definitions of continents because it upsets you. Do let me know if there's any other completely non-contentious geographical terms you've got sand in your fanny about.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Legal/Reform. A tale of two Nigels

We were interested to see Nigel Farage hiring the devil's own law firm, Carter-Ruck, to respond to the Mail on Sunday's story that claimed Farage was personally "infected with Putinism".

While Farage doesn't look out of place on Carter-Ruck's client list (The Church Of Scientology, Simon Cowell, Chelsea FC, Qatar, etc) we're not sure they're the best firm to hire if you're looking to scrub the taint of Putin.

Not least because, Carter-Ruck head honcho Nigel Tait was specifically named in the House of Commons in 2022 as one of the "amoral" lawyers in the profession aiding Russian interests in the UK courts at the expense of British citizens.

Hiring them is an admission it is true. At the very least it is acceptable as a general characterisation without being literal, since politics allows for such things.