It’s not getting any better for the Tories – politicalbetting.com
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It's 2019 in reverse.Casino_Royale said:
Challenge YOUR LOT. Labour.eek said:
Shall we start with the IFS who saying there is an £18bn hole created by Hunt that needs to be filled. How are the Tory party going to actually do that?Casino_Royale said:
Fucking pathetic.DougSeal said:
It's a turnoff for you but the rest of us realise are paying socialist levels of tax with libertarian levels of public service. If we're going to pay we may as well try the real thing. That's why you're losing. Oh, and the fact that from Neil Hamilton to Michelle Mone the Conservative Party has shown for 30 years that it would be prosecuted under the RICO Act if it were incorporated in the USA.Casino_Royale said:
On this, they're right.rottenborough said:Are these people like eight years old???
What would go up during a Labour government? Tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax...
https://x.com/Conservatives/status/1805932619856548153
(The word tax is then repeated about 200 times)
Labour will be a socialist government and they're about to shit right in your lunch.
Scrutinise the challenger.
*L-a-b-o-u-r*
I'm sick and tired of zero scrutiny being applied to their bullshit this campaign. It's a complete dereliction of duty by the press and the curious voter.
They are going to waltz into office without any questioning whatsoever.
If you don't put them on the spot you can't make any complaints whatsoever about what they subsequently do in office. Because you didn't give a shit.
A lot of people weren't keen on the idea of PM Boris, but decided that PM Jeremy was such a terrible prospect that 'any port in a storm' applied.
Now, that's suboptimal. It gave the Conservatives a chunky majority which they have squandered by governing like a bunch of toddlers high on Haribos. And the entire country has suffered the consequences.
It's quite possible that we're about to make the equivalent mistake on the other side. Less likely, because Starmer and Labour are unlikely to give us the really baroque stuff. A PM sacked by his party and then leaving Parliament in disgrace. A premiership collapsing in less than two months. That sort of thing.
The voting public have done enough scrutiny to think that the incumbents are terrible and the challenges are, at least, less terrible. In FPTP, that's all they need to do.
And the Conservative Party has two broad options. One is to accept the verdict of the electorate with good grace as a piece of feedback and try to become a better potential government. Or they can tell themselves and the voters that the voters have got it wrong. That second option is the sort of thing that we all ridicule Corbynites and similar for.
Don't become a right wing Corbynite.5 -
Maybe it’s the long game and they are targeting in advance the 16 year old voters in 11 years time?Andy_JS said:Has anyone seen the Tories' latest twitter post? It look like the sort of thing a 5 year old might post.
https://x.com/Conservatives/status/18059326198565481532 -
Putinbot 1 on full nonsense whataboutism today I see.MisterBedfordshire said:
So might every county of Ireland if one had been arranged by the victorious Germans in the aftermath of UK losing World War 1, and subsequent economic the collapse, with the collapse of healthcare, abrupt ending of welfare and pensions etc etc.Foxy said:
These are results that you are looking for. Every single oblast voted for independence in 1991 it wasn't even close anywhere but crimea.MisterBedfordshire said:
Crimea 100% certain pro russian. Think county Down or Antrim if the inhabitants of West Belfast had been sent packing at partitionLostPassword said:
It's hard to tell, for obvious reasons, but I doubt that pro-Russian sentiment in Russian-occupied Ukraine is as strong as pro-British sentiment in Northern Ireland.MisterBedfordshire said:
But doubled down in the six Oblasts Counties.Foxy said:
Putin never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity. He has by his actions created a Ukranian nationalist consciousness in places that never had it before, and earned the permanent opposition of Russian speaking Ukranians.MisterBedfordshire said:
All long term leaders suffer from too many people feeding them bullshit because they think that is what they want to hear.BartholomewRoberts said:
Putin is a nutter too, who believes his own garbage and spin.MisterBedfordshire said:
No we don't. Putin is Ruthless, patient, Cold and Calculating. Hitler was a nutter liable to make crazy decisions in a fit of rage if crossed.Nigelb said:
That's effectively what we have now you pillock. Putin's already tried his version of annexing the Sudatenland, only with more violence.MisterBedfordshire said:
Or 1930s Germany with Nukes.Luckyguy1983 said:
If we end up with Libya, except with nukes, that's everyone's business - that is everyone sane's point, in case you're struggling.Nigelb said:
That’s Russia’s business, not Tim’s.Luckyguy1983 said:
You can presumably point to some solid indications that if Putin falls, he will be replaced by a nice, moderate pro-Westerner? Or perhaps some case studies of other nasty dictators that the West has toppled recently leading to the establishment of a nice, pro-Western peace-loving democracy? Or do people just keep saying it because it's not a bad best guess?TimS said:
And so we get closer to house in the Russia talking points bingo. “Whoever succeeds Putin will be worse!” Tell that to Ukrainians being subjected to all out war and the attempted obliteration of their country and culture.MisterBedfordshire said:
You are joking?A_View_From_Cumbria5 said:
And it is hard to consider but Putin will die. He might be like my dad and think he won't, but he will. And the world will be a better place.rcs1000 said:
Remember: invading is usually the easy part.MisterBedfordshire said:You don't have to be a Putin fan to accept that no one is going to evict him from the six counties oblasts (five in Ukraine plus Transdinistra) any time soon and an armistice with partition, then support to make it stick a la South Korea is better than continuing the slaughter and risking it escalating further, and being of the view that interfering in other countries affairs on sanctimonious moral grounds often disguising vested interests (Ukraine 2014, Libya 2011, Iraq 2003, Afghanistan 2003-2022, Iran 1953 ends up causing far worse problems than the ones they were intended to resolve.
And it's the occupation that usually kills you.
Those Oblasts will be a constant resource drain on the Russian economy, in terms of men and material, and they will produce bugger all tax revenue.
And all the time, Russia will grow economically weaker. It is utterly dependent on energy exports, and it has completely fucked itself.
Whoever replaces Putin will be far worse (if we are lucky he might be less skilled at the art of politics (unless less skilled in the Kaiser Bill sense).
One reason Putin went in in 2022 was becsause it was a domestic issue big enough that he might have been vulnerable to hardliners if he didn't.
Seriously, that is straight from the textbook. And if you follow the history of deposed or naturally dying tyrants, most of the time it’s bogus.
Which was his point, if you didn’t get it.
Hitler would probably have nuked Kiev after the Kerch Bridge was attacked.
A calculating leader would never have made such a horrendous mistake as to invade Ukraine.
In Russia, Ukrainan control of Crimea and Donbass (and the coast to Odesa and Kharkiv is seen by many in the same light as Alsace-Lorraine was with France from 1870 to 1918, a historic monumental wrong crying out to heaven for venegance.
In very much the same way that British actions over the 1916 Easter rising and the Black and Tans created Nationalist Ireland.
Its going to end up with Ulster type partition.
And yes just as much strong feelings on both sides of that partition.
Thats just reality.
Donetsk/Luhansk - Londonderry/Armagh - except the Russians don't control the "Bogside" and "South Armagh"
The halves of Zaporizhzhia (without) and Kherson (wjthout) they have. Think Tyrone and Fermanagh. Majority "Republican" but hung on to make the place viable (and land bridge to Crimea).
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On the subject of wagergate, I thought this rather good. Life imitates art.bigjohnowls said:Just tried to get a bet on the date of GE2024.
They said the market was closed
Not sure if that is due to dodgy betting patterns.
https://x.com/CockertonMark/status/1805175878755774886?t=7pTMHDQAwdZiGpa0B8HQKg&s=190 -
You can't even describe what Labour propose.DougSeal said:
Really? Having seen what the Tories offer, and what Labour propose, I'll take my chances over your merry bunch of authoritarian curtain twitchers. There's a reason why most Tory members would pick Farage as your next leader if available. Anyone who values their privacy and freedom, takes a big chance, given your members' recent record of replacing leaders mid-Parliament (i.e. Truss) is insane. Vote for Sunak and get...who exactly?Casino_Royale said:
I've got news for you mate: if that's what you want you're voting for the wrong team.DougSeal said:
I just want to be left alone by the government but the blues keep sticking their nose in.Casino_Royale said:
Then, that's an OTT emotional and illogical reaction.DougSeal said:
I've scrutinised the challenger against the incumbent.Casino_Royale said:
Fucking pathetic.DougSeal said:
It's a turnoff for you but the rest of us realise are paying socialist levels of tax with libertarian levels of public service. If we're going to pay we may as well try the real thing. That's why you're losing. Oh, and the fact that from Neil Hamilton to Michelle Mone the Conservative Party has shown for 30 years that it would be prosecuted under the RICO Act if it were incorporated in the USA.Casino_Royale said:
On this, they're right.rottenborough said:Are these people like eight years old???
What would go up during a Labour government? Tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax...
https://x.com/Conservatives/status/1805932619856548153
(The word tax is then repeated about 200 times)
Labour will be a socialist government and they're about to shit right in your lunch.
Scrutinise the challenger.
The incumbent loses on every single metric.
Your party has given me no reason to vote for it. It has given me several, very personal, reasons to want to bury it 12 feet in the ground.
And, you'll pay for it.
Starmer is being allowed to get away with his Ming Vase only because noone has bothered to put him under pressure.
Look inside and you'll find a massive hidden floater. No, a facehugger constrained but desperate to jump out.0 -
Well his Dad...BatteryCorrectHorse said:Keir Starmer confirms that he supports the FPTP voting system and would not scrap it
https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1805989063725285660
What an absolute tool.2 -
You are making the assumption they don't vote because its hard. I haven't voted since 2010....not because its too hard but because politicians aren't generally worth voting for and haven't been for longer. You want better political engagement how about you give us something worth actually getting out of bed for because all the major parties currently are not.nova said:
I partly agree, but it's a straw man to bring in other changes that Labour aren't proposing. I was replying to a post that compared actual Labour and Tory policies, not "extreme" daft ones.kle4 said:
I don't think that's a reasonable summary of it though.nova said:
Is making it easier to vote, worth equal condemnation with making voting harder?Taz said:
Votes for 16 and auto enrolment.FrancisUrquhart said:Labour to bring in automatic voter registration under plans to boost franchise
Labour is planning to introduce automatic registration for voting under plans to add millions more people to the electoral roll for future elections, especially young people, the Guardian has learned.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/26/labour-automatic-voter-registration-reform-plans
Starmer is not going to waste any opportunity to put finger on the scales once he gets power. Where as the Tories spent 14 years not really gaining a massive advantage of the much watered down redrawing constituencies (remember the more radical proposal originally was far fewer seats) and the voter id stuff which is nothing like the gerrymandering type stuff in the US.
I can see a scandal coming of people being auto registered who end up not being eligible.
How long before compulsory voting ?
I’m guessing the same people who condemned the Tories over their attempts to game the system will be as equally condemnatory here.
I don't support the Tories' voter ID changes*, but not all changes 'making it easier to vote' are automatically a good thing.
To take it to an extreme, votes at 12 would be making it easier to vote, but most people would not support that, quite reasonably. Allowing any foreign nationals to vote in all elections would be making it easier to vote, but would that be fair and reasonable, when to my knowledge no country operates that widely?
On votes at 16 I am not in favour of it, but it is a simple change to enact and for whatever reason support for it has been growing among political circles, so I'm more or less resigned to it.
Electoral changes tend to be proposed because those doing it think they will benefit, and whether they do or not not if they are reasonable they stick around. So Labour believing they will gain an advantage is not intrinsically wrong if the principal is still sound, or at least arguable.
But it is also the case that just because something is proposed for a supposedly positive reason, does not mean it is a good idea. Some people support electronic voting as it would be faster and you coudl do it from your phone or something, but in fact it is a terrible idea.
Auto-enrollment I'd need to see more details about, as it sounds reasonable but what is the reason it is not already the case (evil Tories cannot always be the answer).
*Weirdly, Labour are not proposing reversing the Tory voter ID changes.
We know there are millions of people not on the electoral rolls. We also know they tend to be younger, more likely to rent etc. I can't think of a strong moral argument for not making it easier for them to take part in our democracy.0 -
I'd do a better job than those usual wankers in CCHQ sending us all to our doom.IanB2 said:
The Tories should get you to write their eve of poll….Casino_Royale said:
It's not a better option. It's a shitter option.DougSeal said:
You are pathetic. Are you saying that no-one in the country except you has interrogated the Labour manifesto? Seriously? Do you have so little faith in the electorate? You have to realise that you have failed and there is a better option on the table.Casino_Royale said:
Challenge YOUR LOT. Labour.eek said:
Shall we start with the IFS who saying there is an £18bn hole created by Hunt that needs to be filled. How are the Tory party going to actually do that?Casino_Royale said:
Fucking pathetic.DougSeal said:
It's a turnoff for you but the rest of us realise are paying socialist levels of tax with libertarian levels of public service. If we're going to pay we may as well try the real thing. That's why you're losing. Oh, and the fact that from Neil Hamilton to Michelle Mone the Conservative Party has shown for 30 years that it would be prosecuted under the RICO Act if it were incorporated in the USA.Casino_Royale said:
On this, they're right.rottenborough said:Are these people like eight years old???
What would go up during a Labour government? Tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax...
https://x.com/Conservatives/status/1805932619856548153
(The word tax is then repeated about 200 times)
Labour will be a socialist government and they're about to shit right in your lunch.
Scrutinise the challenger.
*L-a-b-o-u-r*
I'm sick and tired of zero scrutiny being applied to their bullshit this campaign. It's a complete dereliction of duty by the press and the curious voter.
They are going to waltz into office without any questioning whatsoever.
If you don't put them on the spot you can't make any complaints whatsoever about what they subsequently do in office. Because you didn't give a shit.
Starmer will use your vote to bolster the size of his giant strap-on and then royally fuck you in the arse, sans vaseline, laughing all the while, at the "mandate" you've given him.
After 5 years your bum is going to be rather sore. It will possibly need surgery.2 -
He’s just on a bet with Kyle Walker to see who can populate greater Manchester more.Cookie said:Phil Foden is having his third child at the age of 24. Fair play to him in addressing thr demographic crisis - but it shows what can be done if you don't have to worry about bedrooms or childcare costs.
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Why would you change something that gives you a 100+ seat majority when there are more important things to deal with.Pulpstar said:
Well his Dad...BatteryCorrectHorse said:Keir Starmer confirms that he supports the FPTP voting system and would not scrap it
https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1805989063725285660
What an absolute tool.
Next time round may be the time to put a proper voting system in the manifesto but changing our electoral system unilaterally wouldn't be on...0 -
Slightly odd thing for Blair to say. Why only the developing world?
"@unherd
In an interview with @dwarkesh_sp, former prime minister Tony Blair has claimed that Covid lockdowns in the developing world 'did more harm that good', and that decisions to lock down should not have been left with politicians."
https://x.com/unherd/status/18060322128710740050 -
We have this for Ireland.MisterBedfordshire said:
So might every county of Ireland if one had been arranged by the victorious Germans in the aftermath of UK losing World War 1, and subsequent economic the collapse, with the collapse of healthcare, abrupt ending of welfare and pensions etc etc.Foxy said:
These are results that you are looking for. Every single oblast voted for independence in 1991 it wasn't even close anywhere but crimea.MisterBedfordshire said:
Crimea 100% certain pro russian. Think county Down or Antrim if the inhabitants of West Belfast had been sent packing at partitionLostPassword said:
It's hard to tell, for obvious reasons, but I doubt that pro-Russian sentiment in Russian-occupied Ukraine is as strong as pro-British sentiment in Northern Ireland.MisterBedfordshire said:
But doubled down in the six Oblasts Counties.Foxy said:
Putin never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity. He has by his actions created a Ukranian nationalist consciousness in places that never had it before, and earned the permanent opposition of Russian speaking Ukranians.MisterBedfordshire said:
All long term leaders suffer from too many people feeding them bullshit because they think that is what they want to hear.BartholomewRoberts said:
Putin is a nutter too, who believes his own garbage and spin.MisterBedfordshire said:
No we don't. Putin is Ruthless, patient, Cold and Calculating. Hitler was a nutter liable to make crazy decisions in a fit of rage if crossed.Nigelb said:
That's effectively what we have now you pillock. Putin's already tried his version of annexing the Sudatenland, only with more violence.MisterBedfordshire said:
Or 1930s Germany with Nukes.Luckyguy1983 said:
If we end up with Libya, except with nukes, that's everyone's business - that is everyone sane's point, in case you're struggling.Nigelb said:
That’s Russia’s business, not Tim’s.Luckyguy1983 said:
You can presumably point to some solid indications that if Putin falls, he will be replaced by a nice, moderate pro-Westerner? Or perhaps some case studies of other nasty dictators that the West has toppled recently leading to the establishment of a nice, pro-Western peace-loving democracy? Or do people just keep saying it because it's not a bad best guess?TimS said:
And so we get closer to house in the Russia talking points bingo. “Whoever succeeds Putin will be worse!” Tell that to Ukrainians being subjected to all out war and the attempted obliteration of their country and culture.MisterBedfordshire said:
You are joking?A_View_From_Cumbria5 said:
And it is hard to consider but Putin will die. He might be like my dad and think he won't, but he will. And the world will be a better place.rcs1000 said:
Remember: invading is usually the easy part.MisterBedfordshire said:You don't have to be a Putin fan to accept that no one is going to evict him from the six counties oblasts (five in Ukraine plus Transdinistra) any time soon and an armistice with partition, then support to make it stick a la South Korea is better than continuing the slaughter and risking it escalating further, and being of the view that interfering in other countries affairs on sanctimonious moral grounds often disguising vested interests (Ukraine 2014, Libya 2011, Iraq 2003, Afghanistan 2003-2022, Iran 1953 ends up causing far worse problems than the ones they were intended to resolve.
And it's the occupation that usually kills you.
Those Oblasts will be a constant resource drain on the Russian economy, in terms of men and material, and they will produce bugger all tax revenue.
And all the time, Russia will grow economically weaker. It is utterly dependent on energy exports, and it has completely fucked itself.
Whoever replaces Putin will be far worse (if we are lucky he might be less skilled at the art of politics (unless less skilled in the Kaiser Bill sense).
One reason Putin went in in 2022 was becsause it was a domestic issue big enough that he might have been vulnerable to hardliners if he didn't.
Seriously, that is straight from the textbook. And if you follow the history of deposed or naturally dying tyrants, most of the time it’s bogus.
Which was his point, if you didn’t get it.
Hitler would probably have nuked Kiev after the Kerch Bridge was attacked.
A calculating leader would never have made such a horrendous mistake as to invade Ukraine.
In Russia, Ukrainan control of Crimea and Donbass (and the coast to Odesa and Kharkiv is seen by many in the same light as Alsace-Lorraine was with France from 1870 to 1918, a historic monumental wrong crying out to heaven for venegance.
In very much the same way that British actions over the 1916 Easter rising and the Black and Tans created Nationalist Ireland.
Its going to end up with Ulster type partition.
And yes just as much strong feelings on both sides of that partition.
Thats just reality.
Donetsk/Luhansk - Londonderry/Armagh - except the Russians don't control the "Bogside" and "South Armagh"
The halves of Zaporizhzhia (without) and Kherson (wjthout) they have. Think Tyrone and Fermanagh. Majority "Republican" but hung on to make the place viable (and land bridge to Crimea).
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You just want it to be The Way It Used To Be (*) when the Tories were winning. Sadly, too many candidates have seen Opportunities to Make Lots of Money in the betting markets, and the voters won't let them have One More Chance. A Man Could Get Arrested for their shenanigans. There's too much Monkey Business in the Conservative Party; they have Delusions Of Grandeur, but this is The Calm Before The Storm.Casino_Royale said:
These opinion polls remind me of domino dancing.JosiasJessop said:
What have I done to deserve this?Casino_Royale said:
Because you were only being boring?JosiasJessop said:I've just been working (*) for a couple of hours, listening to music as I code. I come on PB and lose my train of thought.
I realised the music I've been listening to has been on auto-repeat the whole time. On one song.
And I had not noticed.
"Leaving", by the Pet Shop Boys, if anyone cares.
(*) Sort of...
All day All day.
(*) A song I love.2 -
Well he has dropped a clanger there....not allowed to call it developing world...Global South please...oh no that's now racist too...Andy_JS said:Slightly odd thing for Blair to say. Why only the developing world?
"@unherd
In an interview with @dwarkesh_sp, former prime minister Tony Blair has claimed that Covid lockdowns in the developing world 'did more harm that good', and that decisions to lock down should not have been left with politicians."
https://x.com/unherd/status/18060322128710740051 -
I'm not that passionate a Leaver. I'm a passionate democrat and wanted our democratic vote respected, which led to my passion in the Brexit debates (as well as my vehement opposition to the antidemocratic backstop).kinabalu said:
Odd (in a good way) to hear a passionate Leaver describe that EU talking shop as "Parliament", one word capital P.BartholomewRoberts said:
Yes, it was a vote that got him out of Parliament. He's a has-been now who is not an elected representative.kinabalu said:
Sounds like your vote for Nigel Farage was in your mind a vote against Nigel Farage then. Interesting way of looking at it. We were just talking earlier about "thinking outside the box". Good example right here.BartholomewRoberts said:
Not my dislike of the EU, I was torn whether to vote Leave or Remain until the last minute and had entered the campaign backing Remain but was won over by Richard_Tyndall, Casino_Royale and others.kinabalu said:
Yes I know the thinking. But I also know if I despised a politician as much as you do Nigel Farage, considered him a vile racist, I would need an unbelievably compelling reason to vote for them in any election under any circumstances. I guess your dislike of our EU membership was so strong as to be that reason. Quite something really when you think about it. And never again, one hopes.BartholomewRoberts said:
I voted for him to be ousted from [the European] Parliament, not elected into it.kinabalu said:
Given your (correct imo) assessment of Farage as a grubby little racist it still surprises me that you voted for him in 2019. Ok, the Euro elections, but still. I would have thought no nose-peg could have been quite strong enough.BartholomewRoberts said:18 Reform seats seems far too high, I have more faith in the country that it won't vote in that many Quislings.
And Theresa "Go Home" May was not much of a better alternative.
My desire to get him removed from Parliament, Theresa May removed as PM, as well as my belief in democracy and that having made a decision to Leave in 2016 that decision should be respected.
But yes it was absolutely sui generis and never again.
Good riddance.
But as for "has been" I'm afraid he looks good for Clacton. Which would put him (for the first time) in the Mother of all.
Had we voted the other way in the Referendum I'd have respected that and wanted it respected too.
As for calling the European Parliament by its name, it's it's name. 🤷♂️
As for Clacton, I fervently hope that Farage is an eight time loser next week. If they elect him I will be very disappointed in the voters of Clacton.0 -
Well his Dad made him, and what was his Dad ?BatteryCorrectHorse said:Keir Starmer confirms that he supports the FPTP voting system and would not scrap it
https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1805989063725285660
What an absolute tool.
A gag that has rarely ever been cracked.1 -
Walker has an advantage that he isn't fussy about who he works with in order to achieve that.boulay said:
He’s just on a bet with Kyle Walker to see who can populate greater Manchester more.Cookie said:Phil Foden is having his third child at the age of 24. Fair play to him in addressing thr demographic crisis - but it shows what can be done if you don't have to worry about bedrooms or childcare costs.
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Wonderfully you can replace “Covid lockdowns” with “invading countries”.Andy_JS said:Slightly odd thing for Blair to say. Why only the developing world?
"@unherd
In an interview with @dwarkesh_sp, former prime minister Tony Blair has claimed that Covid lockdowns in the developing world 'did more harm that good', and that decisions to lock down should not have been left with politicians."
https://x.com/unherd/status/18060322128710740050 -
The Bangladesh comments are a bit of an under the radar story, SKS has seriously upset the Bangladeshi community0
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How would we be informed about delights like the 99 flakes if people werent paying attention to at least the more sensible and reality based of the various manifestos.Cookie said:
Doug, I'd be amazed if more than one person in a hundred has scrutinised a manifesto of any colour.DougSeal said:
You are pathetic. Are you saying that no-one in the country except you has interrogated the Labour manifesto? Seriously? Do you have so little faith in the electorate? You have to realise that you have failed and there is a better option on the table.Casino_Royale said:
Challenge YOUR LOT. Labour.eek said:
Shall we start with the IFS who saying there is an £18bn hole created by Hunt that needs to be filled. How are the Tory party going to actually do that?Casino_Royale said:
Fucking pathetic.DougSeal said:
It's a turnoff for you but the rest of us realise are paying socialist levels of tax with libertarian levels of public service. If we're going to pay we may as well try the real thing. That's why you're losing. Oh, and the fact that from Neil Hamilton to Michelle Mone the Conservative Party has shown for 30 years that it would be prosecuted under the RICO Act if it were incorporated in the USA.Casino_Royale said:
On this, they're right.rottenborough said:Are these people like eight years old???
What would go up during a Labour government? Tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax...
https://x.com/Conservatives/status/1805932619856548153
(The word tax is then repeated about 200 times)
Labour will be a socialist government and they're about to shit right in your lunch.
Scrutinise the challenger.
*L-a-b-o-u-r*
I'm sick and tired of zero scrutiny being applied to their bullshit this campaign. It's a complete dereliction of duty by the press and the curious voter.
They are going to waltz into office without any questioning whatsoever.
If you don't put them on the spot you can't make any complaints whatsoever about what they subsequently do in office. Because you didn't give a shit.0 -
I 100% agree with you that the conservatives have failed to put starmer under any pressure and that’s the no 1 reason they deserve to lose badly and why reform are surging so there can be a REAL opposition !!Casino_Royale said:
You can't even describe what Labour propose.DougSeal said:
Really? Having seen what the Tories offer, and what Labour propose, I'll take my chances over your merry bunch of authoritarian curtain twitchers. There's a reason why most Tory members would pick Farage as your next leader if available. Anyone who values their privacy and freedom, takes a big chance, given your members' recent record of replacing leaders mid-Parliament (i.e. Truss) is insane. Vote for Sunak and get...who exactly?Casino_Royale said:
I've got news for you mate: if that's what you want you're voting for the wrong team.DougSeal said:
I just want to be left alone by the government but the blues keep sticking their nose in.Casino_Royale said:
Then, that's an OTT emotional and illogical reaction.DougSeal said:
I've scrutinised the challenger against the incumbent.Casino_Royale said:
Fucking pathetic.DougSeal said:
It's a turnoff for you but the rest of us realise are paying socialist levels of tax with libertarian levels of public service. If we're going to pay we may as well try the real thing. That's why you're losing. Oh, and the fact that from Neil Hamilton to Michelle Mone the Conservative Party has shown for 30 years that it would be prosecuted under the RICO Act if it were incorporated in the USA.Casino_Royale said:
On this, they're right.rottenborough said:Are these people like eight years old???
What would go up during a Labour government? Tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax...
https://x.com/Conservatives/status/1805932619856548153
(The word tax is then repeated about 200 times)
Labour will be a socialist government and they're about to shit right in your lunch.
Scrutinise the challenger.
The incumbent loses on every single metric.
Your party has given me no reason to vote for it. It has given me several, very personal, reasons to want to bury it 12 feet in the ground.
And, you'll pay for it.
Starmer is being allowed to get away with his Ming Vase only because noone has bothered to put him under pressure.
Look inside and you'll find a massive hidden floater. No, a facehugger constrained but desperate to jump out.0 -
Why has Alastair Campbell's daughter decided to make a career about standing up on stage and making jokes about her fanny?0
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Interesting he is also talking about that there is a signs of wealth and brain drain has been occurring.FrancisUrquhart said:Lots of interesting stuff here,
if I was in Government, I'd do this for Business...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQKzSeM6zB0
Instead all we are talking about what is awomanworking person and which politicians have bet on politics.
The first point he makes is a really tough one. Small business, turn-over taxes are crippling, but for large multi-national businesses, its too easy to avoid profit based taxes. And of course large businesses can not only absorb red tape, it also acts as a moat against smaller challengers.
Also some bloke on t'interweb (well he runs a load of businesses) has more sensible policies than most of what crap the political parties have been proposing.0 -
Freezing in winter catches fire in summer. Spring and autumn don't happen. Woke as buggery. Lovely place.Casino_Royale said:
Wife sceptical, parents don't want me to go.eek said:Casino_Royale said:
Have another think about it.algarkirk said:
Great days, Window Tax in full swing. Hearth Tax departed but a happy memory for all those grateful taxpayers. Income Tax, that temporary expedient, 100 years away.Casino_Royale said:
Doesn't mean readers don't want to know a Labour Government that will take power in 2024 will raise them further to their highest level since 1713.LostPassword said:
"Readers added context they thought people might want to knowrottenborough said:Are these people like eight years old???
What would go up during a Labour government? Tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax...
https://x.com/Conservatives/status/1805932619856548153
(The word tax is then repeated about 200 times)
The Conservative Government have been in power since 2010 and have raised overall taxes to their highest level since 1948."
You're the one who has to live with your decision.
How is your plan to move abroad going?
I couldn't fuck off hard or fast enough given the choice. Which, I'm sure you'd welcome.
I'd probably go for the Canadian paradise. Probably Alberta.
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Another example of the lack of scrutiny.Taz said:
Well his Dad made him, and what was his Dad ?BatteryCorrectHorse said:Keir Starmer confirms that he supports the FPTP voting system and would not scrap it
https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1805989063725285660
What an absolute tool.
A gag that has rarely ever been cracked.1 -
Whether you visit Suburbia or Go West, where the Liberal Democrats seem to be doing well, people are saying the same thing to the Conservatives.JosiasJessop said:
You just want it to be The Way It Used To Be (*) when the Tories were winning. Sadly, too many candidates have seen Opportunities to Make Lots of Money in the betting markets, and the voters won't let them have One More Chance. A Man Could Get Arrested for their shenanigans. There's too much Monkey Business in the Conservative Party; they have Delusions Of Grandeur, but this is The Calm Before The Storm.Casino_Royale said:
These opinion polls remind me of domino dancing.JosiasJessop said:
What have I done to deserve this?Casino_Royale said:
Because you were only being boring?JosiasJessop said:I've just been working (*) for a couple of hours, listening to music as I code. I come on PB and lose my train of thought.
I realised the music I've been listening to has been on auto-repeat the whole time. On one song.
And I had not noticed.
"Leaving", by the Pet Shop Boys, if anyone cares.
(*) Sort of...
All day All day.
(*) A song I love.
How Can You Expect to Be Taken Seriously?3 -
I note a hint of bitterness there. But your point is basically correct. Footballers wages were always obscene but at a time when much of the country us struggling they have become totally immoral. A maximum wage would be a good idea. And before any clown talks about the market there are always foreign billionaires willing to bail out football clubs so there is no market.Cookie said:Phil Foden is having his third child at the age of 24. Fair play to him in addressing thr demographic crisis - but it shows what can be done if you don't have to worry about bedrooms or childcare costs.
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It's A Sin to like this, but I still did.JosiasJessop said:
You just want it to be The Way It Used To Be (*) when the Tories were winning. Sadly, too many candidates have seen Opportunities to Make Lots of Money in the betting markets, and the voters won't let them have One More Chance. A Man Could Get Arrested for their shenanigans. There's too much Monkey Business in the Conservative Party; they have Delusions Of Grandeur, but this is The Calm Before The Storm.Casino_Royale said:
These opinion polls remind me of domino dancing.JosiasJessop said:
What have I done to deserve this?Casino_Royale said:
Because you were only being boring?JosiasJessop said:I've just been working (*) for a couple of hours, listening to music as I code. I come on PB and lose my train of thought.
I realised the music I've been listening to has been on auto-repeat the whole time. On one song.
And I had not noticed.
"Leaving", by the Pet Shop Boys, if anyone cares.
(*) Sort of...
All day All day.
(*) A song I love.3 -
JosiasJessop said:
What have I done to deserve this?Casino_Royale said:
Because you were only being boring?JosiasJessop said:I've just been working (*) for a couple of hours, listening to music as I code. I come on PB and lose my train of thought.
I realised the music I've been listening to has been on auto-repeat the whole time. On one song.
And I had not noticed.
"Leaving", by the Pet Shop Boys, if anyone cares.
(*) Sort of...
Sometimes you’re better off dead.JosiasJessop said:
What have I done to deserve this?Casino_Royale said:
Because you were only being boring?JosiasJessop said:I've just been working (*) for a couple of hours, listening to music as I code. I come on PB and lose my train of thought.
I realised the music I've been listening to has been on auto-repeat the whole time. On one song.
And I had not noticed.
"Leaving", by the Pet Shop Boys, if anyone cares.
(*) Sort of...1 -
To be frank I could do a better job and I don't want them to win....Casino_Royale said:
I'd do a better job than those usual wankers in CCHQ sending us all to our doom.IanB2 said:
The Tories should get you to write their eve of poll….Casino_Royale said:
It's not a better option. It's a shitter option.DougSeal said:
You are pathetic. Are you saying that no-one in the country except you has interrogated the Labour manifesto? Seriously? Do you have so little faith in the electorate? You have to realise that you have failed and there is a better option on the table.Casino_Royale said:
Challenge YOUR LOT. Labour.eek said:
Shall we start with the IFS who saying there is an £18bn hole created by Hunt that needs to be filled. How are the Tory party going to actually do that?Casino_Royale said:
Fucking pathetic.DougSeal said:
It's a turnoff for you but the rest of us realise are paying socialist levels of tax with libertarian levels of public service. If we're going to pay we may as well try the real thing. That's why you're losing. Oh, and the fact that from Neil Hamilton to Michelle Mone the Conservative Party has shown for 30 years that it would be prosecuted under the RICO Act if it were incorporated in the USA.Casino_Royale said:
On this, they're right.rottenborough said:Are these people like eight years old???
What would go up during a Labour government? Tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax...
https://x.com/Conservatives/status/1805932619856548153
(The word tax is then repeated about 200 times)
Labour will be a socialist government and they're about to shit right in your lunch.
Scrutinise the challenger.
*L-a-b-o-u-r*
I'm sick and tired of zero scrutiny being applied to their bullshit this campaign. It's a complete dereliction of duty by the press and the curious voter.
They are going to waltz into office without any questioning whatsoever.
If you don't put them on the spot you can't make any complaints whatsoever about what they subsequently do in office. Because you didn't give a shit.
Starmer will use your vote to bolster the size of his giant strap-on and then royally fuck you in the arse, sans vaseline, laughing all the while, at the "mandate" you've given him.
After 5 years your bum is going to be rather sore. It will possibly need surgery.0 -
More to the point, which unaccountable body does he want lockdowns 'to be in the hands of'?Andy_JS said:Slightly odd thing for Blair to say. Why only the developing world?
"@unherd
In an interview with @dwarkesh_sp, former prime minister Tony Blair has claimed that Covid lockdowns in the developing world 'did more harm that good', and that decisions to lock down should not have been left with politicians."
https://x.com/unherd/status/18060322128710740053 -
Blair has moved to almost dead centre now. Possible ever so slightly centre-right.Andy_JS said:Slightly odd thing for Blair to say. Why only the developing world?
"@unherd
In an interview with @dwarkesh_sp, former prime minister Tony Blair has claimed that Covid lockdowns in the developing world 'did more harm that good', and that decisions to lock down should not have been left with politicians."
https://x.com/unherd/status/18060322128710740052 -
“ but guys, I love Bangladeshis so much I illegally ate one of your curries, made by our amazing Bangladeshi community during lockdown.”wooliedyed said:The Bangladesh comments are a bit of an under the radar story, SKS has seriously upset the Bangladeshi community
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My view, having previously lived in Russia and worked with Russians for many years, is that Russia as a society is totally poisoned by nationalism, imperialism and victim complex, and won't get out of this short of a postwar-Germany-style transformation of how the country thinks. Even a light interrogation of the most liberal Muscovite will result in 'yeah but NATO yeah but America took our credit for WWII' after a bit. With this in mind, a new leader would change precisely bollockJosiasJessop said:On a new Russian leader after Putin:
Yes, a replacement for Putin may be 'worse' for Ukraine and the west than Putin. He may be more competent, more liable to press the big red button, whatever.
That's a concern. Or a replacement might be 'better' for us; one more willing to work with us, to turn Russia back into a civilised nation.
Russia's in a pickle. Any new leader would be insecure at first, and will want to secure his position. He could do this by continuing Putin's agenda and winning in Ukraine (difficult), or he could do this by ending the war however he can.
And my point is this: Putin has painted himself into a corner. He has said a load of shite to the Russian public, and although he can do minor changes, any major ones - like a retreat from Ukraine - would mean the end of his premiership and, by extension, his life.
An successor may well have more latitude to find an accommodation with Ukraine that Putin could not. He would be, to a certain extent, a fresh sheet. Even if he is also a fresh shit as well.3 -
The Tories are as interfering and authoritarian as Labour, just in different ways. They are as bad as one another.Casino_Royale said:
I've got news for you mate: if that's what you want you're voting for the wrong team.DougSeal said:
I just want to be left alone by the government but the blues keep sticking their nose in.Casino_Royale said:
Then, that's an OTT emotional and illogical reaction.DougSeal said:
I've scrutinised the challenger against the incumbent.Casino_Royale said:
Fucking pathetic.DougSeal said:
It's a turnoff for you but the rest of us realise are paying socialist levels of tax with libertarian levels of public service. If we're going to pay we may as well try the real thing. That's why you're losing. Oh, and the fact that from Neil Hamilton to Michelle Mone the Conservative Party has shown for 30 years that it would be prosecuted under the RICO Act if it were incorporated in the USA.Casino_Royale said:
On this, they're right.rottenborough said:Are these people like eight years old???
What would go up during a Labour government? Tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax...
https://x.com/Conservatives/status/1805932619856548153
(The word tax is then repeated about 200 times)
Labour will be a socialist government and they're about to shit right in your lunch.
Scrutinise the challenger.
The incumbent loses on every single metric.
Your party has given me no reason to vote for it. It has given me several, very personal, reasons to want to bury it 12 feet in the ground.
And, you'll pay for it.1 -
And it doesn’t really matter, anyway; the Tories have forfeited a right to a hearing on the serious stuff because of the never-ending stream of stupid stuff and dishonest stuff to which we’ve been subjected these past nine years.Cookie said:
Doug, I'd be amazed if more than one person in a hundred has scrutinised a manifesto of any colour.DougSeal said:
You are pathetic. Are you saying that no-one in the country except you has interrogated the Labour manifesto? Seriously? Do you have so little faith in the electorate? You have to realise that you have failed and there is a better option on the table.Casino_Royale said:
Challenge YOUR LOT. Labour.eek said:
Shall we start with the IFS who saying there is an £18bn hole created by Hunt that needs to be filled. How are the Tory party going to actually do that?Casino_Royale said:
Fucking pathetic.DougSeal said:
It's a turnoff for you but the rest of us realise are paying socialist levels of tax with libertarian levels of public service. If we're going to pay we may as well try the real thing. That's why you're losing. Oh, and the fact that from Neil Hamilton to Michelle Mone the Conservative Party has shown for 30 years that it would be prosecuted under the RICO Act if it were incorporated in the USA.Casino_Royale said:
On this, they're right.rottenborough said:Are these people like eight years old???
What would go up during a Labour government? Tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax...
https://x.com/Conservatives/status/1805932619856548153
(The word tax is then repeated about 200 times)
Labour will be a socialist government and they're about to shit right in your lunch.
Scrutinise the challenger.
*L-a-b-o-u-r*
I'm sick and tired of zero scrutiny being applied to their bullshit this campaign. It's a complete dereliction of duty by the press and the curious voter.
They are going to waltz into office without any questioning whatsoever.
If you don't put them on the spot you can't make any complaints whatsoever about what they subsequently do in office. Because you didn't give a shit.2 -
Indeed. Registering to vote is a matter of a minute's effort using the online platform. Every address gets an annual reminderPagan2 said:
You are making the assumption they don't vote because its hard. I haven't voted since 2010....not because its too hard but because politicians aren't generally worth voting for and haven't been for longer. You want better political engagement how about you give us something worth actually getting out of bed for because all the major parties currently are not.nova said:
I partly agree, but it's a straw man to bring in other changes that Labour aren't proposing. I was replying to a post that compared actual Labour and Tory policies, not "extreme" daft ones.kle4 said:
I don't think that's a reasonable summary of it though.nova said:
Is making it easier to vote, worth equal condemnation with making voting harder?Taz said:
Votes for 16 and auto enrolment.FrancisUrquhart said:Labour to bring in automatic voter registration under plans to boost franchise
Labour is planning to introduce automatic registration for voting under plans to add millions more people to the electoral roll for future elections, especially young people, the Guardian has learned.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/26/labour-automatic-voter-registration-reform-plans
Starmer is not going to waste any opportunity to put finger on the scales once he gets power. Where as the Tories spent 14 years not really gaining a massive advantage of the much watered down redrawing constituencies (remember the more radical proposal originally was far fewer seats) and the voter id stuff which is nothing like the gerrymandering type stuff in the US.
I can see a scandal coming of people being auto registered who end up not being eligible.
How long before compulsory voting ?
I’m guessing the same people who condemned the Tories over their attempts to game the system will be as equally condemnatory here.
I don't support the Tories' voter ID changes*, but not all changes 'making it easier to vote' are automatically a good thing.
To take it to an extreme, votes at 12 would be making it easier to vote, but most people would not support that, quite reasonably. Allowing any foreign nationals to vote in all elections would be making it easier to vote, but would that be fair and reasonable, when to my knowledge no country operates that widely?
On votes at 16 I am not in favour of it, but it is a simple change to enact and for whatever reason support for it has been growing among political circles, so I'm more or less resigned to it.
Electoral changes tend to be proposed because those doing it think they will benefit, and whether they do or not not if they are reasonable they stick around. So Labour believing they will gain an advantage is not intrinsically wrong if the principal is still sound, or at least arguable.
But it is also the case that just because something is proposed for a supposedly positive reason, does not mean it is a good idea. Some people support electronic voting as it would be faster and you coudl do it from your phone or something, but in fact it is a terrible idea.
Auto-enrollment I'd need to see more details about, as it sounds reasonable but what is the reason it is not already the case (evil Tories cannot always be the answer).
*Weirdly, Labour are not proposing reversing the Tory voter ID changes.
We know there are millions of people not on the electoral rolls. We also know they tend to be younger, more likely to rent etc. I can't think of a strong moral argument for not making it easier for them to take part in our democracy.
It really is not difficult for the overwhelming majority of the population.
Automatic registration run by algorithms is not preferable in the slightest. It is too important to put trust in a state computer system.
By all means send out a reminder to every mobile phone with a link on how to register if you want to try and reach those who have thus far decline to engage. But automatic systems in the UK are not reliable enough.
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If I was a right wing Corbynite I'd support Reform. And no-one has denigrated them in stronger terms than I have.Stuartinromford said:
It's 2019 in reverse.Casino_Royale said:
Challenge YOUR LOT. Labour.eek said:
Shall we start with the IFS who saying there is an £18bn hole created by Hunt that needs to be filled. How are the Tory party going to actually do that?Casino_Royale said:
Fucking pathetic.DougSeal said:
It's a turnoff for you but the rest of us realise are paying socialist levels of tax with libertarian levels of public service. If we're going to pay we may as well try the real thing. That's why you're losing. Oh, and the fact that from Neil Hamilton to Michelle Mone the Conservative Party has shown for 30 years that it would be prosecuted under the RICO Act if it were incorporated in the USA.Casino_Royale said:
On this, they're right.rottenborough said:Are these people like eight years old???
What would go up during a Labour government? Tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax...
https://x.com/Conservatives/status/1805932619856548153
(The word tax is then repeated about 200 times)
Labour will be a socialist government and they're about to shit right in your lunch.
Scrutinise the challenger.
*L-a-b-o-u-r*
I'm sick and tired of zero scrutiny being applied to their bullshit this campaign. It's a complete dereliction of duty by the press and the curious voter.
They are going to waltz into office without any questioning whatsoever.
If you don't put them on the spot you can't make any complaints whatsoever about what they subsequently do in office. Because you didn't give a shit.
A lot of people weren't keen on the idea of PM Boris, but decided that PM Jeremy was such a terrible prospect that 'any port in a storm' applied.
Now, that's suboptimal. It gave the Conservatives a chunky majority which they have squandered by governing like a bunch of toddlers high on Haribos. And the entire country has suffered the consequences.
It's quite possible that we're about to make the equivalent mistake on the other side. Less likely, because Starmer and Labour are unlikely to give us the really baroque stuff. A PM sacked by his party and then leaving Parliament in disgrace. A premiership collapsing in less than two months. That sort of thing.
The voting public have done enough scrutiny to think that the incumbents are terrible and the challenges are, at least, less terrible. In FPTP, that's all they need to do.
And the Conservative Party has two broad options. One is to accept the verdict of the electorate with good grace as a piece of feedback and try to become a better potential government. Or they can tell themselves and the voters that the voters have got it wrong. That second option is the sort of thing that we all ridicule Corbynites and similar for.
Don't become a right wing Corbynite.
I'm a Shire Tory. Always have been.0 -
Wiv me main girl Mazza Foy and the crewboulay said:
“ but guys, I love Bangladeshis so much I illegally ate one of your curries, made by our amazing Bangladeshi community during lockdown.”wooliedyed said:The Bangladesh comments are a bit of an under the radar story, SKS has seriously upset the Bangladeshi community
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Because she can’t call her dad a c..t?Casino_Royale said:Why has Alastair Campbell's daughter decided to make a career about standing up on stage and making jokes about her fanny?
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It's bullshit, selective editing.wooliedyed said:The Bangladesh comments are a bit of an under the radar story, SKS has seriously upset the Bangladeshi community
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See the ridiculous smoking ban....on this kind of shit there isn't much between current Tories and Labour. Banning phone, energy drinks, meddling with EPL football clubs....kjh said:
The Tories are as interfering and authoritarian as Labour, just in different ways. They are as bad as one another.Casino_Royale said:
I've got news for you mate: if that's what you want you're voting for the wrong team.DougSeal said:
I just want to be left alone by the government but the blues keep sticking their nose in.Casino_Royale said:
Then, that's an OTT emotional and illogical reaction.DougSeal said:
I've scrutinised the challenger against the incumbent.Casino_Royale said:
Fucking pathetic.DougSeal said:
It's a turnoff for you but the rest of us realise are paying socialist levels of tax with libertarian levels of public service. If we're going to pay we may as well try the real thing. That's why you're losing. Oh, and the fact that from Neil Hamilton to Michelle Mone the Conservative Party has shown for 30 years that it would be prosecuted under the RICO Act if it were incorporated in the USA.Casino_Royale said:
On this, they're right.rottenborough said:Are these people like eight years old???
What would go up during a Labour government? Tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax...
https://x.com/Conservatives/status/1805932619856548153
(The word tax is then repeated about 200 times)
Labour will be a socialist government and they're about to shit right in your lunch.
Scrutinise the challenger.
The incumbent loses on every single metric.
Your party has given me no reason to vote for it. It has given me several, very personal, reasons to want to bury it 12 feet in the ground.
And, you'll pay for it.0 -
Ha!boulay said:
Because she can’t call her dad a c..t?Casino_Royale said:Why has Alastair Campbell's daughter decided to make a career about standing up on stage and making jokes about her fanny?
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The Famine.Casino_Royale said:
Question: what was the break point at which Irish independence became inevitable?DougSeal said:
Erm...the vast majority of counties in Ireland did vote for independence after the end of WW1 and the UK didn't even lose.MisterBedfordshire said:
So might every county of Ireland if one had been arranged by the victorious Germans in the aftermath of UK losing World War 1, and subsequent economic the collapse, with the collapse of healthcare, abrupt ending of welfare and pensions etc etc.Foxy said:
These are results that you are looking for. Every single oblast voted for independence in 1991 it wasn't even close anywhere but crimea.MisterBedfordshire said:
Crimea 100% certain pro russian. Think county Down or Antrim if the inhabitants of West Belfast had been sent packing at partitionLostPassword said:
It's hard to tell, for obvious reasons, but I doubt that pro-Russian sentiment in Russian-occupied Ukraine is as strong as pro-British sentiment in Northern Ireland.MisterBedfordshire said:
But doubled down in the six Oblasts Counties.Foxy said:
Putin never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity. He has by his actions created a Ukranian nationalist consciousness in places that never had it before, and earned the permanent opposition of Russian speaking Ukranians.MisterBedfordshire said:
All long term leaders suffer from too many people feeding them bullshit because they think that is what they want to hear.BartholomewRoberts said:
Putin is a nutter too, who believes his own garbage and spin.MisterBedfordshire said:
No we don't. Putin is Ruthless, patient, Cold and Calculating. Hitler was a nutter liable to make crazy decisions in a fit of rage if crossed.Nigelb said:
That's effectively what we have now you pillock. Putin's already tried his version of annexing the Sudatenland, only with more violence.MisterBedfordshire said:
Or 1930s Germany with Nukes.Luckyguy1983 said:
If we end up with Libya, except with nukes, that's everyone's business - that is everyone sane's point, in case you're struggling.Nigelb said:
That’s Russia’s business, not Tim’s.Luckyguy1983 said:
You can presumably point to some solid indications that if Putin falls, he will be replaced by a nice, moderate pro-Westerner? Or perhaps some case studies of other nasty dictators that the West has toppled recently leading to the establishment of a nice, pro-Western peace-loving democracy? Or do people just keep saying it because it's not a bad best guess?TimS said:
And so we get closer to house in the Russia talking points bingo. “Whoever succeeds Putin will be worse!” Tell that to Ukrainians being subjected to all out war and the attempted obliteration of their country and culture.MisterBedfordshire said:
You are joking?A_View_From_Cumbria5 said:
And it is hard to consider but Putin will die. He might be like my dad and think he won't, but he will. And the world will be a better place.rcs1000 said:
Remember: invading is usually the easy part.MisterBedfordshire said:You don't have to be a Putin fan to accept that no one is going to evict him from the six counties oblasts (five in Ukraine plus Transdinistra) any time soon and an armistice with partition, then support to make it stick a la South Korea is better than continuing the slaughter and risking it escalating further, and being of the view that interfering in other countries affairs on sanctimonious moral grounds often disguising vested interests (Ukraine 2014, Libya 2011, Iraq 2003, Afghanistan 2003-2022, Iran 1953 ends up causing far worse problems than the ones they were intended to resolve.
And it's the occupation that usually kills you.
Those Oblasts will be a constant resource drain on the Russian economy, in terms of men and material, and they will produce bugger all tax revenue.
And all the time, Russia will grow economically weaker. It is utterly dependent on energy exports, and it has completely fucked itself.
Whoever replaces Putin will be far worse (if we are lucky he might be less skilled at the art of politics (unless less skilled in the Kaiser Bill sense).
One reason Putin went in in 2022 was becsause it was a domestic issue big enough that he might have been vulnerable to hardliners if he didn't.
Seriously, that is straight from the textbook. And if you follow the history of deposed or naturally dying tyrants, most of the time it’s bogus.
Which was his point, if you didn’t get it.
Hitler would probably have nuked Kiev after the Kerch Bridge was attacked.
A calculating leader would never have made such a horrendous mistake as to invade Ukraine.
In Russia, Ukrainan control of Crimea and Donbass (and the coast to Odesa and Kharkiv is seen by many in the same light as Alsace-Lorraine was with France from 1870 to 1918, a historic monumental wrong crying out to heaven for venegance.
In very much the same way that British actions over the 1916 Easter rising and the Black and Tans created Nationalist Ireland.
Its going to end up with Ulster type partition.
And yes just as much strong feelings on both sides of that partition.
Thats just reality.
Donetsk/Luhansk - Londonderry/Armagh - except the Russians don't control the "Bogside" and "South Armagh"
The halves of Zaporizhzhia (without) and Kherson (wjthout) they have. Think Tyrone and Fermanagh. Majority "Republican" but hung on to make the place viable (and land bridge to Crimea).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_United_Kingdom_general_election_in_Ireland
That was an ELE for the Irish Parliamentary Party...
Gladstone's third home rule bill? Later?
It proved that the relationship between Britain and Ireland continued to be colonialist. A colonised country will always want to be free, if its population has not been supplanted.
If British policy had averted a famine, then the Union might have endured in perpetuity.
It would probably have helped if George III hadn't blocked Catholic emancipation earlier.0 -
https://x.com/ShehabKhan/status/1806028346280542437?s=19TheScreamingEagles said:
It's bullshit, selective editing.wooliedyed said:The Bangladesh comments are a bit of an under the radar story, SKS has seriously upset the Bangladeshi community
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Is she any good. I’ve only ever seen one gag of hers about Dominic Cummings eye test. It was rather unfunny. Probably not enough to judge her on.Casino_Royale said:Why has Alastair Campbell's daughter decided to make a career about standing up on stage and making jokes about her fanny?
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Yes, sadly I think that's true.LloydBanks said:
My view, having previously lived in Russia and worked with Russians for many years, is that Russia as a society is totally poisoned by nationalism, imperialism and victim complex, and won't get out of this short of a postwar-Germany-style transformation of how the country thinks. Even a light interrogation of the most liberal Muscovite will result in 'yeah but NATO yeah but America took our credit for WWII' after a bit. With this in mind, a new leader would change precisely bollockJosiasJessop said:On a new Russian leader after Putin:
Yes, a replacement for Putin may be 'worse' for Ukraine and the west than Putin. He may be more competent, more liable to press the big red button, whatever.
That's a concern. Or a replacement might be 'better' for us; one more willing to work with us, to turn Russia back into a civilised nation.
Russia's in a pickle. Any new leader would be insecure at first, and will want to secure his position. He could do this by continuing Putin's agenda and winning in Ukraine (difficult), or he could do this by ending the war however he can.
And my point is this: Putin has painted himself into a corner. He has said a load of shite to the Russian public, and although he can do minor changes, any major ones - like a retreat from Ukraine - would mean the end of his premiership and, by extension, his life.
An successor may well have more latitude to find an accommodation with Ukraine that Putin could not. He would be, to a certain extent, a fresh sheet. Even if he is also a fresh shit as well.1 -
In terms of vote share, I strongly suspect the reverse, but it would certainly be a more memorable campaign.Casino_Royale said:
I'd do a better job than those usual wankers in CCHQ sending us all to our doom.IanB2 said:
The Tories should get you to write their eve of poll….Casino_Royale said:
It's not a better option. It's a shitter option.DougSeal said:
You are pathetic. Are you saying that no-one in the country except you has interrogated the Labour manifesto? Seriously? Do you have so little faith in the electorate? You have to realise that you have failed and there is a better option on the table.Casino_Royale said:
Challenge YOUR LOT. Labour.eek said:
Shall we start with the IFS who saying there is an £18bn hole created by Hunt that needs to be filled. How are the Tory party going to actually do that?Casino_Royale said:
Fucking pathetic.DougSeal said:
It's a turnoff for you but the rest of us realise are paying socialist levels of tax with libertarian levels of public service. If we're going to pay we may as well try the real thing. That's why you're losing. Oh, and the fact that from Neil Hamilton to Michelle Mone the Conservative Party has shown for 30 years that it would be prosecuted under the RICO Act if it were incorporated in the USA.Casino_Royale said:
On this, they're right.rottenborough said:Are these people like eight years old???
What would go up during a Labour government? Tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax...
https://x.com/Conservatives/status/1805932619856548153
(The word tax is then repeated about 200 times)
Labour will be a socialist government and they're about to shit right in your lunch.
Scrutinise the challenger.
*L-a-b-o-u-r*
I'm sick and tired of zero scrutiny being applied to their bullshit this campaign. It's a complete dereliction of duty by the press and the curious voter.
They are going to waltz into office without any questioning whatsoever.
If you don't put them on the spot you can't make any complaints whatsoever about what they subsequently do in office. Because you didn't give a shit.
Starmer will use your vote to bolster the size of his giant strap-on and then royally fuck you in the arse, sans vaseline, laughing all the while, at the "mandate" you've given him.
After 5 years your bum is going to be rather sore. It will possibly need surgery.1 -
I don't begrudge high wages - he clearly earns it. If City didn't pay him oth.ers would. Despite my ambivalence to football I don't mind if others buy into tge product with enthusiasm.Grandcanyon said:
I note a hint of bitterness there. But your point is basically correct. Footballers wages were always obscene but at a time when much of the country us struggling they have become totally immoral. A maximum wage would be a good idea. And before any clown talks about the market there are always foreign billionaires willing to bail out football clubs so there is no market.Cookie said:Phil Foden is having his third child at the age of 24. Fair play to him in addressing thr demographic crisis - but it shows what can be done if you don't have to worry about bedrooms or childcare costs.
But if the demographic crisis is a problem - and I think it is - there are things we can do as a society to make breeding less terrifyingly expensive.
I only mention Phil in surprise at the news he's already had a third.1 -
Another crazy
@MrHarryCole
exclusive: The Sun can reveal a top Tory is accused placed a £8,000 bet on himself to lose his seat on July 4.
Sir Philip Davies is said to have wagered he will not hold his Shipley constituency
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/28772956/cops-take-over-betting-scandal-probe/0 -
Next Thursday will be a Red Letter Day for the country. It may be The End Of The World for the Conservatives, who have suffered Friendly Fire in their campaign, but God Willing, on the Friday there will be lots of Happy People with Heart who realise that Happiness Is An Option.Stuartinromford said:
Whether you visit Suburbia or Go West, where the Liberal Democrats seem to be doing well, people are saying the same thing to the Conservatives.JosiasJessop said:
You just want it to be The Way It Used To Be (*) when the Tories were winning. Sadly, too many candidates have seen Opportunities to Make Lots of Money in the betting markets, and the voters won't let them have One More Chance. A Man Could Get Arrested for their shenanigans. There's too much Monkey Business in the Conservative Party; they have Delusions Of Grandeur, but this is The Calm Before The Storm.Casino_Royale said:
These opinion polls remind me of domino dancing.JosiasJessop said:
What have I done to deserve this?Casino_Royale said:
Because you were only being boring?JosiasJessop said:I've just been working (*) for a couple of hours, listening to music as I code. I come on PB and lose my train of thought.
I realised the music I've been listening to has been on auto-repeat the whole time. On one song.
And I had not noticed.
"Leaving", by the Pet Shop Boys, if anyone cares.
(*) Sort of...
All day All day.
(*) A song I love.
How Can You Expect to Be Taken Seriously?
But are Labour going to be Home And Dry?
Tories are going to look at Sunak and say: I'm With Stupid, whilst everyone else will say: I'm Not Scared. I Want to Wake Up on the Friday morning seeing a new vision for the country. Sunak will be The Man who Has Everything - except being PM.2 -
Impressive he managed to get that much money on.eek said:
Another crazy
@MrHarryCole
exclusive: The Sun can reveal a top Tory is accused placed a £8,000 bet on himself to lose his seat on July 4.
Sir Philip Davies is said to have wagered he will not hold his Shipley constituency
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/28772956/cops-take-over-betting-scandal-probe/
The Sun last night, Sir Philip said, “What’s it go to do with you whether I did or didn’t” place the bet. He added: “I hope to win. I'm busting a gut to win. I expect to lose. In the 2005 election, I busted a gut to win. I expected to lose. I had a bet on myself to lose in the 2005 election, and my bet went down the pan."
That ok that you did it before and lost.....hmmm....do these people not do any PR training?3 -
Quick check on her tiktok - no she isn't...Taz said:
Is she any good. I’ve only ever seen one gag of hers about Dominic Cummings eye test. It was rather unfunny. Probably not enough to judge her on.Casino_Royale said:Why has Alastair Campbell's daughter decided to make a career about standing up on stage and making jokes about her fanny?
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Except the fall of the USSR shows that a Russian leader can change things.LloydBanks said:
My view, having previously lived in Russia and worked with Russians for many years, is that Russia as a society is totally poisoned by nationalism, imperialism and victim complex, and won't get out of this short of a postwar-Germany-style transformation of how the country thinks. Even a light interrogation of the most liberal Muscovite will result in 'yeah but NATO yeah but America took our credit for WWII' after a bit. With this in mind, a new leader would change precisely bollockJosiasJessop said:On a new Russian leader after Putin:
Yes, a replacement for Putin may be 'worse' for Ukraine and the west than Putin. He may be more competent, more liable to press the big red button, whatever.
That's a concern. Or a replacement might be 'better' for us; one more willing to work with us, to turn Russia back into a civilised nation.
Russia's in a pickle. Any new leader would be insecure at first, and will want to secure his position. He could do this by continuing Putin's agenda and winning in Ukraine (difficult), or he could do this by ending the war however he can.
And my point is this: Putin has painted himself into a corner. He has said a load of shite to the Russian public, and although he can do minor changes, any major ones - like a retreat from Ukraine - would mean the end of his premiership and, by extension, his life.
An successor may well have more latitude to find an accommodation with Ukraine that Putin could not. He would be, to a certain extent, a fresh sheet. Even if he is also a fresh shit as well.0 -
Some people think deportation is bad no matter what the circumstances are.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's bullshit, selective editing.wooliedyed said:The Bangladesh comments are a bit of an under the radar story, SKS has seriously upset the Bangladeshi community
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Exactly. We are not electing a new wonder govt with excellent policies. We are instead cleaning the Commons of the persistent offenders who keep soiling the place with their incontinent behaviour.IanB2 said:
And it doesn’t really matter, anyway; the Tories have forfeited a right to a hearing on the serious stuff because of the never-ending stream of stupid stuff and dishonest stuff to which we’ve been subjected these past nine years.Cookie said:
Doug, I'd be amazed if more than one person in a hundred has scrutinised a manifesto of any colour.DougSeal said:
You are pathetic. Are you saying that no-one in the country except you has interrogated the Labour manifesto? Seriously? Do you have so little faith in the electorate? You have to realise that you have failed and there is a better option on the table.Casino_Royale said:
Challenge YOUR LOT. Labour.eek said:
Shall we start with the IFS who saying there is an £18bn hole created by Hunt that needs to be filled. How are the Tory party going to actually do that?Casino_Royale said:
Fucking pathetic.DougSeal said:
It's a turnoff for you but the rest of us realise are paying socialist levels of tax with libertarian levels of public service. If we're going to pay we may as well try the real thing. That's why you're losing. Oh, and the fact that from Neil Hamilton to Michelle Mone the Conservative Party has shown for 30 years that it would be prosecuted under the RICO Act if it were incorporated in the USA.Casino_Royale said:
On this, they're right.rottenborough said:Are these people like eight years old???
What would go up during a Labour government? Tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax...
https://x.com/Conservatives/status/1805932619856548153
(The word tax is then repeated about 200 times)
Labour will be a socialist government and they're about to shit right in your lunch.
Scrutinise the challenger.
*L-a-b-o-u-r*
I'm sick and tired of zero scrutiny being applied to their bullshit this campaign. It's a complete dereliction of duty by the press and the curious voter.
They are going to waltz into office without any questioning whatsoever.
If you don't put them on the spot you can't make any complaints whatsoever about what they subsequently do in office. Because you didn't give a shit.0 -
Goodness me.
"Dawn Butler under fire for saying Kemi Badenoch shouldn’t exist
Candidate for Brent East accused of bringing Labour into disrepute for agreeing with David Tennant’s remark that he wanted a world without the cabinet minister"
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/dawn-butler-under-fire-for-saying-kemi-badenoch-shouldnt-exist-x39l0trsq0 -
Really? How interesting. Is he transgender or will he be donating his body to medical science?Cookie said:Phil Foden is having his third child at the age of 24. Fair play to him in addressing thr demographic crisis - but it shows what can be done if you don't have to worry about bedrooms or childcare costs.
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Palestineanother_richard said:
How many other countries are entitled to invade their neighbours to right a 'historic monumental wrong crying out to heaven for vengeance' ?MisterBedfordshire said:
All long term leaders suffer from too many people feeding them bullshit because they think that is what they want to hear.BartholomewRoberts said:
Putin is a nutter too, who believes his own garbage and spin.MisterBedfordshire said:
No we don't. Putin is Ruthless, patient, Cold and Calculating. Hitler was a nutter liable to make crazy decisions in a fit of rage if crossed.Nigelb said:
That's effectively what we have now you pillock. Putin's already tried his version of annexing the Sudatenland, only with more violence.MisterBedfordshire said:
Or 1930s Germany with Nukes.Luckyguy1983 said:
If we end up with Libya, except with nukes, that's everyone's business - that is everyone sane's point, in case you're struggling.Nigelb said:
That’s Russia’s business, not Tim’s.Luckyguy1983 said:
You can presumably point to some solid indications that if Putin falls, he will be replaced by a nice, moderate pro-Westerner? Or perhaps some case studies of other nasty dictators that the West has toppled recently leading to the establishment of a nice, pro-Western peace-loving democracy? Or do people just keep saying it because it's not a bad best guess?TimS said:
And so we get closer to house in the Russia talking points bingo. “Whoever succeeds Putin will be worse!” Tell that to Ukrainians being subjected to all out war and the attempted obliteration of their country and culture.MisterBedfordshire said:
You are joking?A_View_From_Cumbria5 said:
And it is hard to consider but Putin will die. He might be like my dad and think he won't, but he will. And the world will be a better place.rcs1000 said:
Remember: invading is usually the easy part.MisterBedfordshire said:You don't have to be a Putin fan to accept that no one is going to evict him from the six counties oblasts (five in Ukraine plus Transdinistra) any time soon and an armistice with partition, then support to make it stick a la South Korea is better than continuing the slaughter and risking it escalating further, and being of the view that interfering in other countries affairs on sanctimonious moral grounds often disguising vested interests (Ukraine 2014, Libya 2011, Iraq 2003, Afghanistan 2003-2022, Iran 1953 ends up causing far worse problems than the ones they were intended to resolve.
And it's the occupation that usually kills you.
Those Oblasts will be a constant resource drain on the Russian economy, in terms of men and material, and they will produce bugger all tax revenue.
And all the time, Russia will grow economically weaker. It is utterly dependent on energy exports, and it has completely fucked itself.
Whoever replaces Putin will be far worse (if we are lucky he might be less skilled at the art of politics (unless less skilled in the Kaiser Bill sense).
One reason Putin went in in 2022 was becsause it was a domestic issue big enough that he might have been vulnerable to hardliners if he didn't.
Seriously, that is straight from the textbook. And if you follow the history of deposed or naturally dying tyrants, most of the time it’s bogus.
Which was his point, if you didn’t get it.
Hitler would probably have nuked Kiev after the Kerch Bridge was attacked.
A calculating leader would never have made such a horrendous mistake as to invade Ukraine.
In Russia, Ukrainan control of Crimea and Donbass (and the coast to Odesa and Kharkiv) is seen by many in the same light as Alsace-Lorraine was with France from 1870 to 1918, a historic monumental wrong crying out to heaven for venegance.0 -
This general election campaign has broken me.eek said:
Another crazy
@MrHarryCole
exclusive: The Sun can reveal a top Tory is accused placed a £8,000 bet on himself to lose his seat on July 4.
Sir Philip Davies is said to have wagered he will not hold his Shipley constituency
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/28772956/cops-take-over-betting-scandal-probe/
I might need a six week holiday after July 5th.2 -
Mr £8k will be getting suspended shortly and that is tomorrow's media...particularly that it is a real serious amount, not the £5-20 that Jack was betting.0
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Fuxsake.
Vanilla - the only thing in the known universe more useless than the Department for Education.0 -
Its wrong to diss your father like thatCasino_Royale said:Why has Alastair Campbell's daughter decided to make a career about standing up on stage and making jokes about her fanny?
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Many moons ago, Philip Davies worked for a few bookies.0
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Bit of an insult to the activists he expects to pound the streets and deliver leaflets on his behalf.eek said:
Another crazy
@MrHarryCole
exclusive: The Sun can reveal a top Tory is accused placed a £8,000 bet on himself to lose his seat on July 4.
Sir Philip Davies is said to have wagered he will not hold his Shipley constituency
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/28772956/cops-take-over-betting-scandal-probe/1 -
At these levels I could shit in my hands and clap and it'd attract more votes.IanB2 said:
In terms of vote share, I strongly suspect the reverse, but it would certainly be a more memorable campaign.Casino_Royale said:
I'd do a better job than those usual wankers in CCHQ sending us all to our doom.IanB2 said:
The Tories should get you to write their eve of poll….Casino_Royale said:
It's not a better option. It's a shitter option.DougSeal said:
You are pathetic. Are you saying that no-one in the country except you has interrogated the Labour manifesto? Seriously? Do you have so little faith in the electorate? You have to realise that you have failed and there is a better option on the table.Casino_Royale said:
Challenge YOUR LOT. Labour.eek said:
Shall we start with the IFS who saying there is an £18bn hole created by Hunt that needs to be filled. How are the Tory party going to actually do that?Casino_Royale said:
Fucking pathetic.DougSeal said:
It's a turnoff for you but the rest of us realise are paying socialist levels of tax with libertarian levels of public service. If we're going to pay we may as well try the real thing. That's why you're losing. Oh, and the fact that from Neil Hamilton to Michelle Mone the Conservative Party has shown for 30 years that it would be prosecuted under the RICO Act if it were incorporated in the USA.Casino_Royale said:
On this, they're right.rottenborough said:Are these people like eight years old???
What would go up during a Labour government? Tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax...
https://x.com/Conservatives/status/1805932619856548153
(The word tax is then repeated about 200 times)
Labour will be a socialist government and they're about to shit right in your lunch.
Scrutinise the challenger.
*L-a-b-o-u-r*
I'm sick and tired of zero scrutiny being applied to their bullshit this campaign. It's a complete dereliction of duty by the press and the curious voter.
They are going to waltz into office without any questioning whatsoever.
If you don't put them on the spot you can't make any complaints whatsoever about what they subsequently do in office. Because you didn't give a shit.
Starmer will use your vote to bolster the size of his giant strap-on and then royally fuck you in the arse, sans vaseline, laughing all the while, at the "mandate" you've given him.
After 5 years your bum is going to be rather sore. It will possibly need surgery.2 -
Why don’t you put a bet on who will be running PB from July 6th. Seems to be all the rage.TheScreamingEagles said:
This general election campaign has broken me.eek said:
Another crazy
@MrHarryCole
exclusive: The Sun can reveal a top Tory is accused placed a £8,000 bet on himself to lose his seat on July 4.
Sir Philip Davies is said to have wagered he will not hold his Shipley constituency
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/28772956/cops-take-over-betting-scandal-probe/
I might need a six week holiday after July 5th.4 -
Starmer says he doesn't want to ban politicians betting on politics.....I can see him quango-ing it up, some independent body where you have to register all the bets you have placed.0
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Lol!Pagan2 said:
Its wrong to diss your father like thatCasino_Royale said:Why has Alastair Campbell's daughter decided to make a career about standing up on stage and making jokes about her fanny?
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So, when Suez went down, everyone should have just given Britain and France everything they wanted, because nukes?rcs1000 said:
So... the moment any country in the world gets nukes, it becomes the interest of the rest of the world to prop up their government?Luckyguy1983 said:
If we end up with Libya, except with nukes, that's everyone's business - that is everyone sane's point, in case you're struggling.Nigelb said:
That’s Russia’s business, not Tim’s.Luckyguy1983 said:
You can presumably point to some solid indications that if Putin falls, he will be replaced by a nice, moderate pro-Westerner? Or perhaps some case studies of other nasty dictators that the West has toppled recently leading to the establishment of a nice, pro-Western peace-loving democracy? Or do people just keep saying it because it's not a bad best guess?TimS said:
And so we get closer to house in the Russia talking points bingo. “Whoever succeeds Putin will be worse!” Tell that to Ukrainians being subjected to all out war and the attempted obliteration of their country and culture.MisterBedfordshire said:
You are joking?A_View_From_Cumbria5 said:
And it is hard to consider but Putin will die. He might be like my dad and think he won't, but he will. And the world will be a better place.rcs1000 said:
Remember: invading is usually the easy part.MisterBedfordshire said:You don't have to be a Putin fan to accept that no one is going to evict him from the six counties oblasts (five in Ukraine plus Transdinistra) any time soon and an armistice with partition, then support to make it stick a la South Korea is better than continuing the slaughter and risking it escalating further, and being of the view that interfering in other countries affairs on sanctimonious moral grounds often disguising vested interests (Ukraine 2014, Libya 2011, Iraq 2003, Afghanistan 2003-2022, Iran 1953 ends up causing far worse problems than the ones they were intended to resolve.
And it's the occupation that usually kills you.
Those Oblasts will be a constant resource drain on the Russian economy, in terms of men and material, and they will produce bugger all tax revenue.
And all the time, Russia will grow economically weaker. It is utterly dependent on energy exports, and it has completely fucked itself.
Whoever replaces Putin will be far worse (if we are lucky he might be less skilled at the art of politics (unless less skilled in the Kaiser Bill sense).
One reason Putin went in in 2022 was becsause it was a domestic issue big enough that he might have been vulnerable to hardliners if he didn't.
Seriously, that is straight from the textbook. And if you follow the history of deposed or naturally dying tyrants, most of the time it’s bogus.
Which was his point, if you didn’t get it.
{Starts studying a map of Europe intently. Orders crayons on Amazon}0 -
The Tote?FrancisUrquhart said:Starmer says he doesn't want to ban politicians betting on politics.....I can see him quango-ing it up, some independent body where you have to register all the bets you have placed.
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We can probably invade france on those groundsLeon said:
Palestineanother_richard said:
How many other countries are entitled to invade their neighbours to right a 'historic monumental wrong crying out to heaven for vengeance' ?MisterBedfordshire said:
All long term leaders suffer from too many people feeding them bullshit because they think that is what they want to hear.BartholomewRoberts said:
Putin is a nutter too, who believes his own garbage and spin.MisterBedfordshire said:
No we don't. Putin is Ruthless, patient, Cold and Calculating. Hitler was a nutter liable to make crazy decisions in a fit of rage if crossed.Nigelb said:
That's effectively what we have now you pillock. Putin's already tried his version of annexing the Sudatenland, only with more violence.MisterBedfordshire said:
Or 1930s Germany with Nukes.Luckyguy1983 said:
If we end up with Libya, except with nukes, that's everyone's business - that is everyone sane's point, in case you're struggling.Nigelb said:
That’s Russia’s business, not Tim’s.Luckyguy1983 said:
You can presumably point to some solid indications that if Putin falls, he will be replaced by a nice, moderate pro-Westerner? Or perhaps some case studies of other nasty dictators that the West has toppled recently leading to the establishment of a nice, pro-Western peace-loving democracy? Or do people just keep saying it because it's not a bad best guess?TimS said:
And so we get closer to house in the Russia talking points bingo. “Whoever succeeds Putin will be worse!” Tell that to Ukrainians being subjected to all out war and the attempted obliteration of their country and culture.MisterBedfordshire said:
You are joking?A_View_From_Cumbria5 said:
And it is hard to consider but Putin will die. He might be like my dad and think he won't, but he will. And the world will be a better place.rcs1000 said:
Remember: invading is usually the easy part.MisterBedfordshire said:You don't have to be a Putin fan to accept that no one is going to evict him from the six counties oblasts (five in Ukraine plus Transdinistra) any time soon and an armistice with partition, then support to make it stick a la South Korea is better than continuing the slaughter and risking it escalating further, and being of the view that interfering in other countries affairs on sanctimonious moral grounds often disguising vested interests (Ukraine 2014, Libya 2011, Iraq 2003, Afghanistan 2003-2022, Iran 1953 ends up causing far worse problems than the ones they were intended to resolve.
And it's the occupation that usually kills you.
Those Oblasts will be a constant resource drain on the Russian economy, in terms of men and material, and they will produce bugger all tax revenue.
And all the time, Russia will grow economically weaker. It is utterly dependent on energy exports, and it has completely fucked itself.
Whoever replaces Putin will be far worse (if we are lucky he might be less skilled at the art of politics (unless less skilled in the Kaiser Bill sense).
One reason Putin went in in 2022 was becsause it was a domestic issue big enough that he might have been vulnerable to hardliners if he didn't.
Seriously, that is straight from the textbook. And if you follow the history of deposed or naturally dying tyrants, most of the time it’s bogus.
Which was his point, if you didn’t get it.
Hitler would probably have nuked Kiev after the Kerch Bridge was attacked.
A calculating leader would never have made such a horrendous mistake as to invade Ukraine.
In Russia, Ukrainan control of Crimea and Donbass (and the coast to Odesa and Kharkiv) is seen by many in the same light as Alsace-Lorraine was with France from 1870 to 1918, a historic monumental wrong crying out to heaven for venegance.0 -
Isn't Walker the one really doing his bit for the demographic crisis?Cookie said:
I don't begrudge high wages - he clearly earns it. If City didn't pay him oth.ers would. Despite my ambivalence to football I don't mind if others buy into tge product with enthusiasm.Grandcanyon said:
I note a hint of bitterness there. But your point is basically correct. Footballers wages were always obscene but at a time when much of the country us struggling they have become totally immoral. A maximum wage would be a good idea. And before any clown talks about the market there are always foreign billionaires willing to bail out football clubs so there is no market.Cookie said:Phil Foden is having his third child at the age of 24. Fair play to him in addressing thr demographic crisis - but it shows what can be done if you don't have to worry about bedrooms or childcare costs.
But if the demographic crisis is a problem - and I think it is - there are things we can do as a society to make breeding less terrifyingly expensive.
I only mention Phil in surprise at the news he's already had a third.
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Not really, no.Taz said:
Is she any good. I’ve only ever seen one gag of hers about Dominic Cummings eye test. It was rather unfunny. Probably not enough to judge her on.Casino_Royale said:Why has Alastair Campbell's daughter decided to make a career about standing up on stage and making jokes about her fanny?
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And Boris, who is overusing his Johnson.Selebian said:
Isn't Walker the one really doing his bit for the demographic crisis?Cookie said:
I don't begrudge high wages - he clearly earns it. If City didn't pay him oth.ers would. Despite my ambivalence to football I don't mind if others buy into tge product with enthusiasm.Grandcanyon said:
I note a hint of bitterness there. But your point is basically correct. Footballers wages were always obscene but at a time when much of the country us struggling they have become totally immoral. A maximum wage would be a good idea. And before any clown talks about the market there are always foreign billionaires willing to bail out football clubs so there is no market.Cookie said:Phil Foden is having his third child at the age of 24. Fair play to him in addressing thr demographic crisis - but it shows what can be done if you don't have to worry about bedrooms or childcare costs.
But if the demographic crisis is a problem - and I think it is - there are things we can do as a society to make breeding less terrifyingly expensive.
I only mention Phil in surprise at the news he's already had a third.0 -
He skipped PMQs to show up at CheltenhamTheScreamingEagles said:Many moons ago, Philip Davies worked for a few bookies.
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He empties his sack more often than Santa.Selebian said:
Isn't Walker the one really doing his bit for the demographic crisis?Cookie said:
I don't begrudge high wages - he clearly earns it. If City didn't pay him oth.ers would. Despite my ambivalence to football I don't mind if others buy into tge product with enthusiasm.Grandcanyon said:
I note a hint of bitterness there. But your point is basically correct. Footballers wages were always obscene but at a time when much of the country us struggling they have become totally immoral. A maximum wage would be a good idea. And before any clown talks about the market there are always foreign billionaires willing to bail out football clubs so there is no market.Cookie said:Phil Foden is having his third child at the age of 24. Fair play to him in addressing thr demographic crisis - but it shows what can be done if you don't have to worry about bedrooms or childcare costs.
But if the demographic crisis is a problem - and I think it is - there are things we can do as a society to make breeding less terrifyingly expensive.
I only mention Phil in surprise at the news he's already had a third.0 -
So we have politicians and plod betting. If I was an up and coming reporter from outside the lobby, I think I would be having a look at what journalists get up to as well.0
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Is there a way to see a list of the 19 reform seats that MRP predicts? I went to the electoral calculus page and could only see a map which is not so easy to use0
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Good man.Scott_xP said:
He skipped PMQs to show up at CheltenhamTheScreamingEagles said:Many moons ago, Philip Davies worked for a few bookies.
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Populist Corbyn got a hung parliament in 2017 and was just another 30 gains from the Tories from likely becoming PM.Stuartinromford said:
It's 2019 in reverse.Casino_Royale said:
Challenge YOUR LOT. Labour.eek said:
Shall we start with the IFS who saying there is an £18bn hole created by Hunt that needs to be filled. How are the Tory party going to actually do that?Casino_Royale said:
Fucking pathetic.DougSeal said:
It's a turnoff for you but the rest of us realise are paying socialist levels of tax with libertarian levels of public service. If we're going to pay we may as well try the real thing. That's why you're losing. Oh, and the fact that from Neil Hamilton to Michelle Mone the Conservative Party has shown for 30 years that it would be prosecuted under the RICO Act if it were incorporated in the USA.Casino_Royale said:
On this, they're right.rottenborough said:Are these people like eight years old???
What would go up during a Labour government? Tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax...
https://x.com/Conservatives/status/1805932619856548153
(The word tax is then repeated about 200 times)
Labour will be a socialist government and they're about to shit right in your lunch.
Scrutinise the challenger.
*L-a-b-o-u-r*
I'm sick and tired of zero scrutiny being applied to their bullshit this campaign. It's a complete dereliction of duty by the press and the curious voter.
They are going to waltz into office without any questioning whatsoever.
If you don't put them on the spot you can't make any complaints whatsoever about what they subsequently do in office. Because you didn't give a shit.
A lot of people weren't keen on the idea of PM Boris, but decided that PM Jeremy was such a terrible prospect that 'any port in a storm' applied.
Now, that's suboptimal. It gave the Conservatives a chunky majority which they have squandered by governing like a bunch of toddlers high on Haribos. And the entire country has suffered the consequences.
It's quite possible that we're about to make the equivalent mistake on the other side. Less likely, because Starmer and Labour are unlikely to give us the really baroque stuff. A PM sacked by his party and then leaving Parliament in disgrace. A premiership collapsing in less than two months. That sort of thing.
The voting public have done enough scrutiny to think that the incumbents are terrible and the challenges are, at least, less terrible. In FPTP, that's all they need to do.
And the Conservative Party has two broad options. One is to accept the verdict of the electorate with good grace as a piece of feedback and try to become a better potential government. Or they can tell themselves and the voters that the voters have got it wrong. That second option is the sort of thing that we all ridicule Corbynites and similar for.
Don't become a right wing Corbynite.
Yes Boris beat him in 2019 but on a more populist manifesto than May had had in 2017 too. Only that defeat in 2019 for Labour and Corbyn led them to pick Starmer to replace him.
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No we have to have a new body with a £200k a year head and an ever expanding budget. Like the one for expenses, but for betting activity.ydoethur said:
The Tote?FrancisUrquhart said:Starmer says he doesn't want to ban politicians betting on politics.....I can see him quango-ing it up, some independent body where you have to register all the bets you have placed.
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These betting politicians are going to get political betting banned altogether aren't they.1
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Try this:JosiasJessop said:I've just been working (*) for a couple of hours, listening to music as I code. I come on PB and lose my train of thought.
I realised the music I've been listening to has been on auto-repeat the whole time. On one song.
And I had not noticed.
"Leaving", by the Pet Shop Boys, if anyone cares.
(*) Sort of...
Battlestar Galactica Score - Calm, Relaxing (Continuous Mix)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owkFaK27_uU
Keeps me going for about a hour
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I am going to approach Big John Owls and ask him to edit PB.boulay said:
Why don’t you put a bet on who will be running PB from July 6th. Seems to be all the rage.TheScreamingEagles said:
This general election campaign has broken me.eek said:
Another crazy
@MrHarryCole
exclusive: The Sun can reveal a top Tory is accused placed a £8,000 bet on himself to lose his seat on July 4.
Sir Philip Davies is said to have wagered he will not hold his Shipley constituency
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/28772956/cops-take-over-betting-scandal-probe/
I might need a six week holiday after July 5th.
I am sure he will love editing PB writing threads on Starmer's mahoosive majority.3 -
I disagree. The Perl programming language would give it a run for its money. The only "write once, never edit" language known.ydoethur said:Fuxsake.
Vanilla - the only thing in the known universe more useless than the Department for Education.0 -
The Treaty of Troyes is all the legal grounds you could want.Pagan2 said:
We can probably invade france on those groundsLeon said:
Palestineanother_richard said:
How many other countries are entitled to invade their neighbours to right a 'historic monumental wrong crying out to heaven for vengeance' ?MisterBedfordshire said:
All long term leaders suffer from too many people feeding them bullshit because they think that is what they want to hear.BartholomewRoberts said:
Putin is a nutter too, who believes his own garbage and spin.MisterBedfordshire said:
No we don't. Putin is Ruthless, patient, Cold and Calculating. Hitler was a nutter liable to make crazy decisions in a fit of rage if crossed.Nigelb said:
That's effectively what we have now you pillock. Putin's already tried his version of annexing the Sudatenland, only with more violence.MisterBedfordshire said:
Or 1930s Germany with Nukes.Luckyguy1983 said:
If we end up with Libya, except with nukes, that's everyone's business - that is everyone sane's point, in case you're struggling.Nigelb said:
That’s Russia’s business, not Tim’s.Luckyguy1983 said:
You can presumably point to some solid indications that if Putin falls, he will be replaced by a nice, moderate pro-Westerner? Or perhaps some case studies of other nasty dictators that the West has toppled recently leading to the establishment of a nice, pro-Western peace-loving democracy? Or do people just keep saying it because it's not a bad best guess?TimS said:
And so we get closer to house in the Russia talking points bingo. “Whoever succeeds Putin will be worse!” Tell that to Ukrainians being subjected to all out war and the attempted obliteration of their country and culture.MisterBedfordshire said:
You are joking?A_View_From_Cumbria5 said:
And it is hard to consider but Putin will die. He might be like my dad and think he won't, but he will. And the world will be a better place.rcs1000 said:
Remember: invading is usually the easy part.MisterBedfordshire said:You don't have to be a Putin fan to accept that no one is going to evict him from the six counties oblasts (five in Ukraine plus Transdinistra) any time soon and an armistice with partition, then support to make it stick a la South Korea is better than continuing the slaughter and risking it escalating further, and being of the view that interfering in other countries affairs on sanctimonious moral grounds often disguising vested interests (Ukraine 2014, Libya 2011, Iraq 2003, Afghanistan 2003-2022, Iran 1953 ends up causing far worse problems than the ones they were intended to resolve.
And it's the occupation that usually kills you.
Those Oblasts will be a constant resource drain on the Russian economy, in terms of men and material, and they will produce bugger all tax revenue.
And all the time, Russia will grow economically weaker. It is utterly dependent on energy exports, and it has completely fucked itself.
Whoever replaces Putin will be far worse (if we are lucky he might be less skilled at the art of politics (unless less skilled in the Kaiser Bill sense).
One reason Putin went in in 2022 was becsause it was a domestic issue big enough that he might have been vulnerable to hardliners if he didn't.
Seriously, that is straight from the textbook. And if you follow the history of deposed or naturally dying tyrants, most of the time it’s bogus.
Which was his point, if you didn’t get it.
Hitler would probably have nuked Kiev after the Kerch Bridge was attacked.
A calculating leader would never have made such a horrendous mistake as to invade Ukraine.
In Russia, Ukrainan control of Crimea and Donbass (and the coast to Odesa and Kharkiv) is seen by many in the same light as Alsace-Lorraine was with France from 1870 to 1918, a historic monumental wrong crying out to heaven for venegance.0 -
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Well of course he does, why would he replace a FPTP system set to give Labour over 400 seats on current polls and a massive majority and to reduce the Tories to 100 seats or less with PR? PR would likely force him to do a coalition government with the LDs and/or Greens on current polling and would give almost 100 Reform MPs and more Tory MPs too than projected for them under FPTPBatteryCorrectHorse said:Keir Starmer confirms that he supports the FPTP voting system and would not scrap it
https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1805989063725285660
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I fully expect more regulation on betting under a Starmer government, all under the guise of protecting the punter.Andy_JS said:These betting politicians are going to get political betting banned altogether aren't they.
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They want them on the electoral roll so that sleazy Tory MPs can contact them.boulay said:
Maybe it’s the long game and they are targeting in advance the 16 year old voters in 11 years time?Andy_JS said:Has anyone seen the Tories' latest twitter post? It look like the sort of thing a 5 year old might post.
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Jonathan Ashworth oth..TheScreamingEagles said:
It's bullshit, selective editing.wooliedyed said:The Bangladesh comments are a bit of an under the radar story, SKS has seriously upset the Bangladeshi community
https://x.com/Taj_Ali1/status/18060322006155022070 -
Starmer's send the planes back to Bangladesh comment is a bit unexpected to put it mildly.
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Well Zenit St. Petersburg is owned by Gazprom, is it not?Grandcanyon said:
I note a hint of bitterness there. But your point is basically correct. Footballers wages were always obscene but at a time when much of the country us struggling they have become totally immoral. A maximum wage would be a good idea. And before any clown talks about the market there are always foreign billionaires willing to bail out football clubs so there is no market.Cookie said:Phil Foden is having his third child at the age of 24. Fair play to him in addressing thr demographic crisis - but it shows what can be done if you don't have to worry about bedrooms or childcare costs.
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MINIWIN which dealt with losingydoethur said:
The Tote?FrancisUrquhart said:Starmer says he doesn't want to ban politicians betting on politics.....I can see him quango-ing it up, some independent body where you have to register all the bets you have placed.
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All you really have to do is is say you disagree with the last 100 years of developments in international law, resign from the UN, and claim right of conquest. One for the next Reform manifesto.Malmesbury said:
The Treaty of Troyes is all the legal grounds you could want.Pagan2 said:
We can probably invade france on those groundsLeon said:
Palestineanother_richard said:
How many other countries are entitled to invade their neighbours to right a 'historic monumental wrong crying out to heaven for vengeance' ?MisterBedfordshire said:
All long term leaders suffer from too many people feeding them bullshit because they think that is what they want to hear.BartholomewRoberts said:
Putin is a nutter too, who believes his own garbage and spin.MisterBedfordshire said:
No we don't. Putin is Ruthless, patient, Cold and Calculating. Hitler was a nutter liable to make crazy decisions in a fit of rage if crossed.Nigelb said:
That's effectively what we have now you pillock. Putin's already tried his version of annexing the Sudatenland, only with more violence.MisterBedfordshire said:
Or 1930s Germany with Nukes.Luckyguy1983 said:
If we end up with Libya, except with nukes, that's everyone's business - that is everyone sane's point, in case you're struggling.Nigelb said:
That’s Russia’s business, not Tim’s.Luckyguy1983 said:
You can presumably point to some solid indications that if Putin falls, he will be replaced by a nice, moderate pro-Westerner? Or perhaps some case studies of other nasty dictators that the West has toppled recently leading to the establishment of a nice, pro-Western peace-loving democracy? Or do people just keep saying it because it's not a bad best guess?TimS said:
And so we get closer to house in the Russia talking points bingo. “Whoever succeeds Putin will be worse!” Tell that to Ukrainians being subjected to all out war and the attempted obliteration of their country and culture.MisterBedfordshire said:
You are joking?A_View_From_Cumbria5 said:
And it is hard to consider but Putin will die. He might be like my dad and think he won't, but he will. And the world will be a better place.rcs1000 said:
Remember: invading is usually the easy part.MisterBedfordshire said:You don't have to be a Putin fan to accept that no one is going to evict him from the six counties oblasts (five in Ukraine plus Transdinistra) any time soon and an armistice with partition, then support to make it stick a la South Korea is better than continuing the slaughter and risking it escalating further, and being of the view that interfering in other countries affairs on sanctimonious moral grounds often disguising vested interests (Ukraine 2014, Libya 2011, Iraq 2003, Afghanistan 2003-2022, Iran 1953 ends up causing far worse problems than the ones they were intended to resolve.
And it's the occupation that usually kills you.
Those Oblasts will be a constant resource drain on the Russian economy, in terms of men and material, and they will produce bugger all tax revenue.
And all the time, Russia will grow economically weaker. It is utterly dependent on energy exports, and it has completely fucked itself.
Whoever replaces Putin will be far worse (if we are lucky he might be less skilled at the art of politics (unless less skilled in the Kaiser Bill sense).
One reason Putin went in in 2022 was becsause it was a domestic issue big enough that he might have been vulnerable to hardliners if he didn't.
Seriously, that is straight from the textbook. And if you follow the history of deposed or naturally dying tyrants, most of the time it’s bogus.
Which was his point, if you didn’t get it.
Hitler would probably have nuked Kiev after the Kerch Bridge was attacked.
A calculating leader would never have made such a horrendous mistake as to invade Ukraine.
In Russia, Ukrainan control of Crimea and Donbass (and the coast to Odesa and Kharkiv) is seen by many in the same light as Alsace-Lorraine was with France from 1870 to 1918, a historic monumental wrong crying out to heaven for venegance.
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It's intentional. It's the same trick as doing half their campaign graphics in Comic Sans and bright purple last time round. It's so naff that people end up sharing it. If they'd just put out a message saying "Labour will increase your taxes by 15% year-on-year" on a blue background with a picture of Rishi Sunak, everyone would go "yeah yeah" and scroll on to the next tweet. Instead, here we are talking about it.Andy_JS said:Has anyone seen the Tories' latest twitter post? It look like the sort of thing a 5 year old might post.
https://x.com/Conservatives/status/18059326198565481531 -
Doubt it. Too late. Don't they have high postal ballot rates there so nearly everyone will have already voted.wooliedyed said:
https://x.com/ShehabKhan/status/1806028346280542437?s=19TheScreamingEagles said:
It's bullshit, selective editing.wooliedyed said:The Bangladesh comments are a bit of an under the radar story, SKS has seriously upset the Bangladeshi community
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Might make a few seats a little more interestingAndy_JS said:Starmer's send the planes back to Bangladesh comment is a bit unexpected to put it mildly.
https://x.com/ShehabKhan/status/18059579264329853340 -
No, you forgot the Richard Rogers inspired headquarters....FrancisUrquhart said:
No we have to have a new body with a £200k a year head and an ever expanding budget. Like the one for expenses, but for betting activity.ydoethur said:
The Tote?FrancisUrquhart said:Starmer says he doesn't want to ban politicians betting on politics.....I can see him quango-ing it up, some independent body where you have to register all the bets you have placed.
QC - "So, as head of the Political Gambling Registration Service, I'd like to ask you some questions.
Head of PGRS - "You need to understand, that despite being paid 8 million a year, plus expenses, I had no knowledge of anything the PGRS has ever done."
QC - "So the fact that Niggle Farrrrrago* put the entire national debt on the 3:15 at Kempton wasn't your responsibility?"
Head of PGRS - "It is disgraceful to suggest that just because I was in charge of the legally responsible body, that I had anything to do with anything."
*Quite definitely not Nigel Farage1
