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  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    ohnotnow said:

    eek said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fuxsake.

    Vanilla - the only thing in the known universe more useless than the Department for Education.

    I disagree. The Perl programming language would give it a run for its money. The only "write once, never edit" language known.
    Perl was write once, make sure it works and then never ever go near it again.

    I remember a Perl expert writing what should have been a 200 line script in a single completely and utterly unreadable line, assembler was easier to read and follow...
    You think that's bad? I once had to port over a major codebase - on my own - from a third party company. Lots of the 'code' was written in the C preprocessor. A header file of a few lines became hundreds of K of preprocessor output.

    Try finding a bug in that. If you ever thought Macromedia Flash was an awful buggy hellhole, I'd like to introduce you to the Macromedia Shockwave sourcecode.

    (Weeps gently in the background)
    PB.com Programmers Bragging
    Not really bragging... in need of counselling.

    From memory (and it was thankfully over 25 years ago...) version 4 had MIN and MAX macros. Which returned true if the given was larger or smaller, as you would expect.

    In V5, the MIN and MAX macro operands had been reversed; as had all the places the macros were used.

    In V6, they were back to how they were in V4.

    That, ladies and gentlemen, is Quality Coding...
    What about

    #define FOUR 5

    That sort of thing triggers so many mental hiccups when reading code
    Now you've triggered my operator overloading PTSD.
    No C++ please!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_(programming_language_from_Kx_Systems)

    is traumatising a whole new generation of programmers.

    They will be the ones living in the woods of Idaho in 30 years time, camo'd up and with thousand yard stares by the camp fire light.
    It traumatised me just reading the Wikipedia page... :D
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,655

    boulay said:

    I want Rishi to offer Starmer a packet of Tunes.

    Yeah, what happened to those?

    Seemed to have just disappeared from sale.
    Dont sell Tunes in Dottingham Malcolm
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,930

    OK, so the audience is fascinating. Sunak is going down much better than you would expect vs a man leading his party to ELE next week.

    Two scenarios:
    1) The BBC audience is a Tory shambles again again again
    2) All the pollsters are catastrophically wrong

    1) seems more likely.
    From talking to people in the world, it seems that

    1) Tories are doomed.
    2) Sunak is shit.
    3) But somehow no actual hate on Sunak

    Maybe it's liberal types a bit scared to go full-on on a PM from an ethnic minority. But I haven't come across anyone seemed angry with him.
    People just seem sorry for him, and the British don’t kick someone when they’re down.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    Right
  • OK, so the audience is fascinating. Sunak is going down much better than you would expect vs a man leading his party to ELE next week.

    Two scenarios:
    1) The BBC audience is a Tory shambles again again again
    2) All the pollsters are catastrophically wrong

    Yes.the 50 seat for the Tories argument is wearing thin now.150 seats will be better than nothing.
    Can you clarify that - not sure if you're arguing that 50 seats is a daft argument or not.

    The polls seem pretty clear that 50 is now trending more often than 150. I believe there are a big chunk of voters still unclear how they will vote, so ultimately is a question of do they break to deliver ELE, or do they think "lets give the Tories another go"

    And we just don't know. But the more polls we get, the more people answer, the more they slide towards ELE.
    Polls Aside. I believe they will get 150 seats based on the fact that some people will be honest and say who they will vote for. In 200 rural seats I feel that they will retain a minimum of 110 in those counties plus 40 in the rest of the country.
    Definitely a lot more people out there who will give the Tories another go, whether they admit it is another matter.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    Stereodog said:

    kinabalu said:

    Just objectively, this is an excellent debate performance by Rishi Sunak.

    Excellent in the sense that Trump is an excellent debater. I find the way he’s been allowed to talk over Starmer and avoid any questions from the moderator disgusting but I’m not naive enough to think that it’s not working this evening.
    Lots of that, yes, but it's nothing like Trump. Trump is not quick thinking or articulate. As we'll see tomorrow.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009
    Tory candidate Philip Davies is latest politician to have bet against himself at election
    @MrHarryCole
    reveals, placing an £8,000 bet on losing marginal seat of Shipley.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    Georgia about to get a penalty.

    This is a Political Betting site and our editor is watching the football FFS
    We do have a programming language discussion going as an alternative...
  • JFNJFN Posts: 25
    Starmer definitely better in the second half.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,691
    The zinger from what little i watched:


    Alex Wickham
    @alexwickham
    ·
    49m
    Starmer slaps down Sunak for interrupting him: "if you listened to more people in the audience and around the country you might not be so out of touch" - applause from audience
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486

    boulay said:

    I want Rishi to offer Starmer a packet of Tunes.

    Yeah, what happened to those?

    Seemed to have just disappeared from sale.
    I think I ate them all as a kid having conned my mother I had a cold but thought they were sweets. That’s where they went. My mouth.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895

    OK, so the audience is fascinating. Sunak is going down much better than you would expect vs a man leading his party to ELE next week.

    Two scenarios:
    1) The BBC audience is a Tory shambles again again again
    2) All the pollsters are catastrophically wrong

    Yes.the 50 seat for the Tories argument is wearing thin now.150 seats will be better than nothing.
    Can you clarify that - not sure if you're arguing that 50 seats is a daft argument or not.

    The polls seem pretty clear that 50 is now trending more often than 150. I believe there are a big chunk of voters still unclear how they will vote, so ultimately is a question of do they break to deliver ELE, or do they think "lets give the Tories another go"

    And we just don't know. But the more polls we get, the more people answer, the more they slide towards ELE.
    Polls Aside. I believe they will get 150 seats based on the fact that some people will be honest and say who they will vote for. In 200 rural seats I feel that they will retain a minimum of 110 in those counties plus 40 in the rest of the country.
    You know what is wonderful? 150 seats - their worst result for a loooooong time - feels like an almost fantasy level of success.
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,457

    Right

    I'm, right, cringing so hard, right, watching him, right?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ...

    SKS fans please explain why your man is having a 75 minute car crash.

    He's too polite. Needs more umph.
    Mishal has rinsed Starmer tonight. She's done very well.

    Rishi got the better of Mishal by talking over both her and Starmer. Great performance by Rishi. Can it turn the polls?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895

    Tory candidate Philip Davies is latest politician to have bet against himself at election
    @MrHarryCole
    reveals, placing an £8,000 bet on losing marginal seat of Shipley.

    Calling @SandyRentool
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,362
    boulay said:

    I want Rishi to offer Starmer a packet of Tunes.

    Second class return to Nottingham !!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926

    ...

    SKS fans please explain why your man is having a 75 minute car crash.

    He's too polite. Needs more umph.
    Mishal has rinsed Starmer tonight. She's done very well.

    Rishi got the better of Mishal by talking over both her and Starmer. Great performance by Rishi. Can it turn the polls?
    Probably not!
  • OK, so the audience is fascinating. Sunak is going down much better than you would expect vs a man leading his party to ELE next week.

    Two scenarios:
    1) The BBC audience is a Tory shambles again again again
    2) All the pollsters are catastrophically wrong

    Yes.the 50 seat for the Tories argument is wearing thin now.150 seats will be better than nothing.
    Can you clarify that - not sure if you're arguing that 50 seats is a daft argument or not.

    The polls seem pretty clear that 50 is now trending more often than 150. I believe there are a big chunk of voters still unclear how they will vote, so ultimately is a question of do they break to deliver ELE, or do they think "lets give the Tories another go"

    And we just don't know. But the more polls we get, the more people answer, the more they slide towards ELE.
    Polls Aside. I believe they will get 150 seats based on the fact that some people will be honest and say who they will vote for. In 200 rural seats I feel that they will retain a minimum of 110 in those counties plus 40 in the rest of the country.
    Definitely a lot more people out there who will give the Tories another go, whether they admit it is another matter.
    I reread what I have wrote. The issue is how many people will vote conservative who will not say so in the polls.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,362

    GOAL - Albania 2-0 Portugal

    Typical BBC accuracy.

    Get BBC Verify on the case.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,541
    Labour MP/candidate for Poplar & Limehouse.

    "Apsana Begum
    @ApsanaBegumMP

    As the daughter of Bangladeshi migrants, I am so proud of the East End’s diversity and that our communities include migrants from all around the world.

    Let me be very clear: I will never stand by and let migrant communities be scapegoated."

    https://x.com/ApsanaBegumMP/status/1805969129989443823
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,655
    Farooq said:

    Georgia about to get a penalty.

    This is a Political Betting site and our editor is watching the football FFS
    I am watching both.

    I can multitask.
    No you are a man.

    That woman on BBC1 just nailed how shit men are.
    Speak for yourself.

    Ok, you can speak for me too, but stop being sexist!
    Beauty in her 20s asking the last question

    Mrs SKS will need a restraining under on her hubby taking down the young ladies particulars after this ends

    Oh sorry you said stop being sexist i missed the stop
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,655
    Rishis giving the young lady one.

    A cheap mortgage on a house that is
  • JFN said:

    Starmer definitely better in the second half.

    Unlike Portugal.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009

    Tory candidate Philip Davies is latest politician to have bet against himself at election
    @MrHarryCole
    reveals, placing an £8,000 bet on losing marginal seat of Shipley.

    Calling @SandyRentool
    I've done my bit to help him win his bet.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859

    OK, so the audience is fascinating. Sunak is going down much better than you would expect vs a man leading his party to ELE next week.

    Two scenarios:
    1) The BBC audience is a Tory shambles again again again
    2) All the pollsters are catastrophically wrong

    Yes.the 50 seat for the Tories argument is wearing thin now.150 seats will be better than nothing.
    Can you clarify that - not sure if you're arguing that 50 seats is a daft argument or not.

    The polls seem pretty clear that 50 is now trending more often than 150. I believe there are a big chunk of voters still unclear how they will vote, so ultimately is a question of do they break to deliver ELE, or do they think "lets give the Tories another go"

    And we just don't know. But the more polls we get, the more people answer, the more they slide towards ELE.
    Polls Aside. I believe they will get 150 seats based on the fact that some people will be honest and say who they will vote for. In 200 rural seats I feel that they will retain a minimum of 110 in those counties plus 40 in the rest of the country.
    You know what is wonderful? 150 seats - their worst result for a loooooong time - feels like an almost fantasy level of success.
    I’d give them 150, if I can pick who they are…
  • MustaphaMondeoMustaphaMondeo Posts: 181
    Taz said:

    Labour run Nottingham City Council is on the verge of bankruptcy what will you do to reverse Councils going bankrupt

    SKS Sweet FA
    Sunak same as SKS

    What an intellectually bankrupt GE we are having with these 2 Parties

    Why should taxpayers in the country bail out councils, whatever their politics, who have gone bankrupt through their own ineptitude. Fuck them. The council tax payers voted them in, they can live with the consequences of that.

    Mad as cheese.

    Uk gov cuts sure start centres. They were warned there would be long term costs. Struggling parents lose support.

    UK gov tells councils to sell children’s homes to balance the books because of cuts.

    Hedge fund buys council children’s homes and puts up prices.

    Horrible number of children of the previously lost generation are feral and need around the clock care.

    How exactly is that the fault of council tax payers?

  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 692
    I’m not

    ...

    SKS fans please explain why your man is having a 75 minute car crash.

    He's too polite. Needs more umph.
    Mishal has rinsed Starmer tonight. She's done very well.

    Rishi got the better of Mishal by talking over both her and Starmer. Great performance by Rishi. Can it turn the polls?
    She hasn’t done well. She’s treating Sunak like he’s the leader of the opposition. She hasn’t pressed Sunak on a single thing that he’s done or not done in government. She’s allowed herself to be tales over and one of the reasons that Starmer has come off looking worse is that he’s been polite enough to answer the question. Sunak has done well by taking a leaf from the Trump book on debating.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    SKS fans please explain why your man is having a 75 minute car crash.

    Because he is a tit.

    But his opponent is a total tit which is lucky for Starmer
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    8 bags. On himself to lose. Nothing to see here, its "nobody's business" he claims.

    Forget the debate. You what we're going to be doing between here and polling day? Discovering which Tories are next under the cosh for impropriety...
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,352
    I have only managed to listen to a bit of the leader's debate this evening, but I thought that Rishi's repeated use of the phrase, "don't surrender x to Labour" will be quite effective. It's insidious psychologically, and horribly anti-democratic, and doesn't survive a moment's conscious thought. But I think it will be effective.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,569
    Andy_JS said:

    Labour MP/candidate for Poplar & Limehouse.

    "Apsana Begum
    @ApsanaBegumMP

    As the daughter of Bangladeshi migrants, I am so proud of the East End’s diversity and that our communities include migrants from all around the world.

    Let me be very clear: I will never stand by and let migrant communities be scapegoated."

    https://x.com/ApsanaBegumMP/status/1805969129989443823

    Starmer's a former DPP and future prime minister. Of course he thinks illegal immigrants should, by and large, be deported. Rather foolish of him to single out one group during an election though.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,619
    Sunak talking about the opportunities the UK gives to the grandkids of brown skinned immigrants to this country.

    #UtterlyMoving
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    30 seconds for the final wrapup? That's absurd. I've been writing 60 second scripts and they are hard enough.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,968
    Stereodog said:

    I’m not

    ...

    SKS fans please explain why your man is having a 75 minute car crash.

    He's too polite. Needs more umph.
    Mishal has rinsed Starmer tonight. She's done very well.

    Rishi got the better of Mishal by talking over both her and Starmer. Great performance by Rishi. Can it turn the polls?
    She hasn’t done well. She’s treating Sunak like he’s the leader of the opposition. She hasn’t pressed Sunak on a single thing that he’s done or not done in government. She’s allowed herself to be tales over and one of the reasons that Starmer has come off looking worse is that he’s been polite enough to answer the question. Sunak has done well by taking a leaf from the Trump book on debating.
    I don't think Starmer has done worse, I think he's come across calm and like a potential next Prime Minister which is his objective.

    He doesn't need to be shrill.
  • Looks like a coup in Bolivia.

    I'm delighted, as I had £1 million in blood diamonds down with Ladbrokes on 26th June. Lucky guess really.

    Bono Estente.

    Boutros Boutros Ghali.
  • IanB2 said:

    OK, so the audience is fascinating. Sunak is going down much better than you would expect vs a man leading his party to ELE next week.

    Two scenarios:
    1) The BBC audience is a Tory shambles again again again
    2) All the pollsters are catastrophically wrong

    Yes.the 50 seat for the Tories argument is wearing thin now.150 seats will be better than nothing.
    Can you clarify that - not sure if you're arguing that 50 seats is a daft argument or not.

    The polls seem pretty clear that 50 is now trending more often than 150. I believe there are a big chunk of voters still unclear how they will vote, so ultimately is a question of do they break to deliver ELE, or do they think "lets give the Tories another go"

    And we just don't know. But the more polls we get, the more people answer, the more they slide towards ELE.
    Polls Aside. I believe they will get 150 seats based on the fact that some people will be honest and say who they will vote for. In 200 rural seats I feel that they will retain a minimum of 110 in those counties plus 40 in the rest of the country.
    You know what is wonderful? 150 seats - their worst result for a loooooong time - feels like an almost fantasy level of success.
    I’d give them 150, if I can pick who they are…
    A bad result for sure. Realistically it has been a difficult last few years. If Labour had been in charge during the lockdown I doubt they would be about to win a election.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,655
    Do we get a Poll on who won that

    If its not Sunak by a decent margin the Tories are going to get anhilated.

    Clear win for Sunak IMO
  • Thank goodness. It's over!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,212

    OK, so the audience is fascinating. Sunak is going down much better than you would expect vs a man leading his party to ELE next week.

    Two scenarios:
    1) The BBC audience is a Tory shambles again again again
    2) All the pollsters are catastrophically wrong

    1) seems more likely.
    From talking to people in the world, it seems that

    1) Tories are doomed.
    2) Sunak is shit.
    3) But somehow no actual hate on Sunak

    Maybe it's liberal types a bit scared to go full-on on a PM from an ethnic minority. But I haven't come across anyone seemed angry with him.
    People just seem sorry for him, and the British don’t kick someone when they’re down.
    Not sorry for him, exactly, I think. He’s done. Toast. Etc.

  • TazTaz Posts: 14,362
    Coup underway in Bolivia, one of two landlocked countries in South America.

    https://x.com/faytuks/status/1806054992437985583?s=61
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    Do we get a Poll on who won that

    If its not Sunak by a decent margin the Tories are going to get anhilated.

    Clear win for Sunak IMO

    It does not make any realistic difference. Starmer will be the next PM.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,397

    Looks like a coup in Bolivia.

    I'm delighted, as I had £1 million in blood diamonds down with Ladbrokes on 26th June. Lucky guess really.

    Their President is an Arce.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895

    Looks like a coup in Bolivia.

    I'm delighted, as I had £1 million in blood diamonds down with Ladbrokes on 26th June. Lucky guess really.

    Bono Estente.

    Boutros Boutros Ghali.
    Is the coup leader Chris Waddle?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,930

    Sunak talking about the opportunities the UK gives to the grandkids of brown skinned immigrants to this country.

    #UtterlyMoving

    Did you send him your CV?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,362

    Rishis giving the young lady one.

    A cheap mortgage on a house that is

    Presumably her doorbell, when rung, goes ‘Ding Dong’
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,619

    Do we get a Poll on who won that

    If its not Sunak by a decent margin the Tories are going to get anhilated.

    Clear win for Sunak IMO

    Yes, just filling in the YouGov survey.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926
    No handshake between them.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,984
    I’ve missed the debate - was out at a do. Reading this I take it Sunak utterly slaughtered Starmer by behaving like Trump and this will be the day the polls turned, right?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    maxh said:

    kinabalu said:

    Just objectively, this is an excellent debate performance by Rishi Sunak.

    Agreed. Whatever else you think of him, he knows how to debate. He's a class above Starmer on this.
    Managing to come over as the dynamic Opposition to PM Starmer. He's all attack and Starmer, since he sort of IS the PM now, is rather boxed in.

    Also a touch of the Janis Joplins with Rishi ... "freedom is another word for nothing left to lose".

    Thank god for the big poll lead and that polling day is close.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486


    Salty Starmer
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 692
    Was Sunak wearing lifts in his shoes? It looked like it in that last shot.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    So having not watched the debate and played Age of Wonders instead what I'm picking up is:

    People who didn't like Starmer didn't like Starmer.
    People who didn't like Sunak didn't like Sunak.
    The BBC still likes the stupid "talk over everyone style of debate"
    Most people watched the football.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    Great news! You don't need to watch Toryberg do the wrapup - Sky are also live in the spin room
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,362

    Looks like a coup in Bolivia.

    I'm delighted, as I had £1 million in blood diamonds down with Ladbrokes on 26th June. Lucky guess really.

    Bono Estente.

    Boutros Boutros Ghali.
    When the president is jailed he’s bound to plead ‘please release me, let me go’
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,212
    edited June 26

    Looks like a coup in Bolivia.

    I'm delighted, as I had £1 million in blood diamonds down with Ladbrokes on 26th June. Lucky guess really.

    Funny that. I had 15 tons of weapons grade plutonium on the same thing.

    Bugger. First I’ll have to collect. And people with large quantities of PU are often surly. God knows why. Then I have to stack it up somewhere. Make a pile….
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,457


    Pippa Crerar

    @PippaCrerar
    ·
    1h
    Tory candidate Philip Davies is latest politician to have bet against himself at election
    @MrHarryCole
    reveals, placing an £8,000 bet on losing marginal seat of Shipley.

    ===

    Who has £8K to spend on gambling on a single bet?

    This will finally kill them.

    Bloody hell.

    Makes discussing the debate a little pointless. £8k? Against himself?!

    Bloody hell.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,569
    TimS said:

    I’ve missed the debate - was out at a do. Reading this I take it Sunak utterly slaughtered Starmer by behaving like Trump and this will be the day the polls turned, right?

    Yes, and no, respectively. No one's listening any more.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,998
    Off topic, but Rick Wilson's summary of last night's US elections may please some of you: "Team Normal put some wins on the board tonight."
    source: https://x.com/TheRickWilson/status/1805802863924326727

    (And no doubt displease others. I would like to believe that the first group is larger than the second.)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    Clear win for Sunak there in my view. He was concise, clear, hard hitting and got across all the messages he wanted to wavering ReformUK and redwall switchers to Labour on the risk of higher taxes and increased immigration under a Labour government.

    Starmer though did not have a disaster and make a clear offer to voters of more spending and investment in public services under Labour and support for Trans rights and an attempt to get a new deal with the EU
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,968
    Glad to see Starmer prioritising house building as a priority for young people.

    Quite right, too.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    Stereodog said:

    Was Sunak wearing lifts in his shoes? It looked like it in that last shot.

    No, it’s just Starmer is just weighed down by his righteousness and so he looks shorter.
  • Great news! You don't need to watch Toryberg do the wrapup - Sky are also live in the spin room

    Sky are always involved.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,569
    Feeling better about my 7/1 on Tories 150-200 seats tonight. True odds must be more like 2/1 or 3/1 surely?
  • Looks like a coup in Bolivia.

    I'm delighted, as I had £1 million in blood diamonds down with Ladbrokes on 26th June. Lucky guess really.

    Funny that. I had 15 tons of weapons grade plutonium on the same thing.

    Bugger. First I’ll have to collect. And people with large quantities of PU are often surly. God knows why. Then I have to stack it up somewhere. Make a pile….
    Have a word with Highways England and buy one of the old raiilway tunnels they sell for a song.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ...

    Stereodog said:

    I’m not

    ...

    SKS fans please explain why your man is having a 75 minute car crash.

    He's too polite. Needs more umph.
    Mishal has rinsed Starmer tonight. She's done very well.

    Rishi got the better of Mishal by talking over both her and Starmer. Great performance by Rishi. Can it turn the polls?
    She hasn’t done well. She’s treating Sunak like he’s the leader of the opposition. She hasn’t pressed Sunak on a single thing that he’s done or not done in government. She’s allowed herself to be tales over and one of the reasons that Starmer has come off looking worse is that he’s been polite enough to answer the question. Sunak has done well by taking a leaf from the Trump book on debating.
    I don't think Starmer has done worse, I think he's come across calm and like a potential next Prime Minister which is his objective.

    He doesn't need to be shrill.
    Oh come off it Rishi jockeyed Starmer. He was sublime. Starmer was too polite and got the mother and father of all spankings from both Rishi and Mishal.
  • Stereodog said:

    Was Sunak wearing lifts in his shoes? It looked like it in that last shot.

    Elton John boots.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    POLL KLAXON

    Decisive win for Sunak - 50%

    Tory majorit of 704 nailed on
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009
    A tie!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,982
    @annabotting
    ·
    23s
    YouGov snap poll on #BBCDebate:

    Rishi Sunak - 50%
    Keir Starmer - 50%
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    Eight Fucking Grand

    On himself

    To lose
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    edited June 26

    SKS fans please explain why your man is having a 75 minute car crash.

    It's more that Sunak's been good than Starmer's been bad.

    And both miles better than that rude arsehole who came out with "are you the best we've got?"
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,968
    I think in that debate both leaders probably had different priorities.

    Starmer - Don't do anything to jeopardise the result, come across as Prime Ministerial

    Sunak - Get some jibes in and make the Tories the primary alternative to Labour.

    At the end of that, I suspect both leaders will be quietly satisfied they both achieved their objective.
  • "And that brings to a head the final head to head debate"

    THANK FUCK FOR THAT

    Bloody right.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589

    A tie!

    What colour was it?
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,998
    edited June 26
    Oh, and if you feel serious -- or snarky -- you can propose questions for the Biden/Trump "debate" tomorrow night, here: https://patterico.com/2024/06/26/presidential-debate-questions/

    (For the record: I really do think someone should ask Trump that boot polish question, though perhaps not in that "debate".)
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,362

    ...

    Stereodog said:

    I’m not

    ...

    SKS fans please explain why your man is having a 75 minute car crash.

    He's too polite. Needs more umph.
    Mishal has rinsed Starmer tonight. She's done very well.

    Rishi got the better of Mishal by talking over both her and Starmer. Great performance by Rishi. Can it turn the polls?
    She hasn’t done well. She’s treating Sunak like he’s the leader of the opposition. She hasn’t pressed Sunak on a single thing that he’s done or not done in government. She’s allowed herself to be tales over and one of the reasons that Starmer has come off looking worse is that he’s been polite enough to answer the question. Sunak has done well by taking a leaf from the Trump book on debating.
    I don't think Starmer has done worse, I think he's come across calm and like a potential next Prime Minister which is his objective.

    He doesn't need to be shrill.
    Oh come off it Rishi jockeyed Starmer. He was sublime. Starmer was too polite and got the mother and father of all spankings from both Rishi and Mishal.
    Starmer was a pussy. On the back foot a lot of the time. What a gimp.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,541

    8 bags. On himself to lose. Nothing to see here, its "nobody's business" he claims.

    Forget the debate. You what we're going to be doing between here and polling day? Discovering which Tories are next under the cosh for impropriety...

    Hello RP, do you have any more updates on the campaign in AN & ME?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,982

    Eight Fucking Grand

    On himself

    To lose

    Just remember, we pay his wages...
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,494
    hrmmm.... not the view on here

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1806064283417301213
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,592
    Scott_xP said:

    @annabotting
    ·
    23s
    YouGov snap poll on #BBCDebate:

    Rishi Sunak - 50%
    Keir Starmer - 50%

    Is that rounded from 52/48?
  • The Gimp. Pulp Fiction movie.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    edited June 26
    Scott_xP said:

    @annabotting
    ·
    23s
    YouGov snap poll on #BBCDebate:

    Rishi Sunak - 50%
    Keir Starmer - 50%

    Given current Tory poll rating of 20-25%, 50% saying Rishi won tonight is a clear win for the Tories.

    Expect the polls to narrow by the end of the weekend
  • Wes is on!
  • Wes for PM!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    OnboardG1 said:

    A tie!

    What colour was it?
    Old school- plus VAT.
  • sbjme19sbjme19 Posts: 194
    Oh Robert from the audience is a long-time Conservative voter. Surprise, surprise.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,032
    edited June 26

    Glad to see Starmer prioritising house building as a priority for young people.

    Quite right, too.

    The last three governments have all promised that. None has delivered.

    And Starmer has a particularly terrible record, even for a politician, of breaking solemn and inviolable promises with those idiotic enough to trust him.

    So believe them when you see them.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009
    Sunak's performance superior to Starmer's. Clearly.

    But when it comes to substance, he was just a one trick pony - Tax, Tax Tax.

    In contrast, Starmer described a plan for the future of the country.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,812
    edited June 26
    Scott_xP said:

    Eight Fucking Grand

    On himself

    To lose

    Just remember, we pay his wages...
    Not for much longer, probably, which is the point. Look on it as a redundancy insurance payment.

    TBF, I was never quite sure about those insurance products. What was to stop Big Assurance saying it was your own fault you got sacked, so no payout?
  • Go James!
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589

    "And that brings to a head the final head to head debate"

    THANK FUCK FOR THAT

    Bloody right.
    I hate these debates because they're not actually debates. Yes, I know we all know that already, but I used to do BP debate at university for fun (because I'm super cool). Lincoln-Douglas is a better format but they both have their charms. They're always significantly more enlightening than this piss-awful trade in duelling soundbytes because the sides have several minutes to develop their arguments. The opposition gets to interject but not barrack. You actually learn some things about the other person's argument.

    Not that anyone would probably watch that, but surely anything is better than "NO U WUD RAISE TAX", "NO U" for an hour.
  • No Surrender!
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,362

    Wes is on!

    He thought SKS did a brilliant job.

    Now cleverly is on and he thinks Sunak did a brilliant job.

    Most informative

    I did think the discussion with the two audience members was worth watching.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,982
    HYUFD said:

    Expect the polls to narrow by the end of the weekend

    you have been saying that since the day the election was called...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    Scott_xP said:

    HYUFD said:

    Expect the polls to narrow by the end of the weekend

    you have been saying that since the day the election was called...
    And they will now., the final week of the campaign is when people really most switch on
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009

    Eight Fucking Grand

    On himself

    To lose

    A creative way to get a golden handshake.

    If he were to win, he keeps his salary and gets the £8k and more back in a couple of months.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926
    Scott_xP said:

    HYUFD said:

    Expect the polls to narrow by the end of the weekend

    you have been saying that since the day the election was called...
    Note he didn’t say for which parties the polls would narrow. :smiley:
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @annabotting
    ·
    23s
    YouGov snap poll on #BBCDebate:

    Rishi Sunak - 50%
    Keir Starmer - 50%

    Given current Tory poll rating of 20-25%, 50% saying Rishi won tonight is a clear win for the Tories.

    Expect the polls to narrow by the end of the weekend
    I have a bridge to sell you, lightly used.
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