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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,104
    Scott_xP said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Eight Fucking Grand

    On himself

    To lose

    Just remember, we pay his wages...
    I want to know what odds he got.

    If it’s one of those “bet the mortgage to get a fiver” things….
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,500
    HYUFD said:

    Clear win for Sunak there in my view. He was concise, clear, hard hitting and got across all the messages he wanted to wavering ReformUK and redwall switchers to Labour on the risk of higher taxes and increased immigration under a Labour government.

    Starmer though did not have a disaster and make a clear offer to voters of more spending and investment in public services under Labour and support for Trans rights and an attempt to get a new deal with the EU

    I think that's a fair summary - they were pitching to different audiences hence the sharp contrast in styles. Sunak will likely have done better with Refuk waverers, and Starmer will have done enough to reassure Con-Lab switchers outside of the red wall.

    So a score draw, as far as I can tell.

    Not enough to knock the betting scandal out of the headlines, though.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,099
    Well, quite...

    @stephenkb

    Quite a moment - Rishi Sunak says that you can get a better trade deal with free movement.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @annabotting
    ·
    23s
    YouGov snap poll on #BBCDebate:

    Rishi Sunak - 50%
    Keir Starmer - 50%

    Given current Tory poll rating of 20-25%, 50% saying Rishi won tonight is a clear win for the Tories.

    Expect the polls to narrow by the end of the weekend
    Will they narrow back to where they were last week, or not quite that far?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,058
    Scott_xP said:

    @annabotting
    ·
    23s
    YouGov snap poll on #BBCDebate:

    Rishi Sunak - 50%
    Keir Starmer - 50%

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @annabotting
    ·
    23s
    YouGov snap poll on #BBCDebate:

    Rishi Sunak - 50%
    Keir Starmer - 50%

    Given current Tory poll rating of 20-25%, 50% saying Rishi won tonight is a clear win for the Tories.

    Expect the polls to narrow by the end of the weekend
    That’s a good result for Sunak, given the polls. It may shift them by a % or two, but not by enough to make a difference.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    Didn’t see the debates, been watching the football.

    The Georgians are leading Portugal and from what I can ascertain that will change England’s opponents in the R16 to Slovakia?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,890
    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @annabotting
    ·
    23s
    YouGov snap poll on #BBCDebate:

    Rishi Sunak - 50%
    Keir Starmer - 50%

    Given current Tory poll rating of 20-25%, 50% saying Rishi won tonight is a clear win for the Tories.

    Expect the polls to narrow by the end of the weekend
    Given the current Labour poll rating of 40-45%, 50% saying SKS won tonight is a clear win for Labour [taps temple in a knowing way]
    82% to 18% of the undecideds (2019 Tories) went for Sunak according to YouGov.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,239
    HYUFD said:

    Clear win for Sunak there in my view. He was concise, clear, hard hitting and got across all the messages he wanted to wavering ReformUK and redwall switchers to Labour on the risk of higher taxes and increased immigration under a Labour government.

    Starmer though did not have a disaster and make a clear offer to voters of more spending and investment in public services under Labour and support for Trans rights and an attempt to get a new deal with the EU

    Without having watched the debate I would understand your summary to be that it is all over bar the shouting and everyone has accepted Starmer will win on July 4?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,990
    Beibheirli_C said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    eek said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fuxsake.

    Vanilla - the only thing in the known universe more useless than the Department for Education.

    I disagree. The Perl programming language would give it a run for its money. The only "write once, never edit" language known.
    Perl was write once, make sure it works and then never ever go near it again.

    I remember a Perl expert writing what should have been a 200 line script in a single completely and utterly unreadable line, assembler was easier to read and follow...
    It was a thing amongst Perl programmers. They took a perverse delight in writing unreadable code.
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    There was another one that was all punctuation.
    brainfuck?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,118
    AlsoLei said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear win for Sunak there in my view. He was concise, clear, hard hitting and got across all the messages he wanted to wavering ReformUK and redwall switchers to Labour on the risk of higher taxes and increased immigration under a Labour government.

    Starmer though did not have a disaster and make a clear offer to voters of more spending and investment in public services under Labour and support for Trans rights and an attempt to get a new deal with the EU

    I think that's a fair summary - they were pitching to different audiences hence the sharp contrast in styles. Sunak will likely have done better with Refuk waverers, and Starmer will have done enough to reassure Con-Lab switchers outside of the red wall.

    So a score draw, as far as I can tell.

    Not enough to knock the betting scandal out of the headlines, though.
    No one is watching (relatively) I suspect.

    The 3 million or whatever who are watching have made up their minds already I v strongly suspect.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    Fairliered said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @annabotting
    ·
    23s
    YouGov snap poll on #BBCDebate:

    Rishi Sunak - 50%
    Keir Starmer - 50%

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @annabotting
    ·
    23s
    YouGov snap poll on #BBCDebate:

    Rishi Sunak - 50%
    Keir Starmer - 50%

    Given current Tory poll rating of 20-25%, 50% saying Rishi won tonight is a clear win for the Tories.

    Expect the polls to narrow by the end of the weekend
    That’s a good result for Sunak, given the polls. It may shift them by a % or two, but not by enough to make a difference.
    Enough to get to 1997 style defeat rather than annihilation though, maybe even close to 2010 level gap
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,500
    sbjme19 said:

    Oh Robert from the audience is a long-time Conservative voter. Surprise, surprise.

    He was the one who asked the question about "very senior members of the Labour party pulling Starmer's strings"?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,449
    SandyRentool said:

    Sunak's performance superior to Starmer's. Clearly.

    But when it comes to substance, he was just a one trick pony - Tax, Tax Tax.

    In contrast, Starmer described a plan for the future of the country.

    Alternatively, Sunak's performance was like a bit like punching your potential employer at a job interview. It might technically count as winning a fight, but it probably won't help you achieve your aim.

    The big picture is that 10-15 percent have already voted (it's a week to go, and I wouldn't trust the post), very few are still making up their minds and this evening has really just confirmed what everybody already knew.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,648
    Scott_xP said:

    @annabotting
    ·
    23s
    YouGov snap poll on #BBCDebate:

    Rishi Sunak - 50%
    Keir Starmer - 50%

    That's a win for Sunak then - given the polls.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805
    HYUFD said:

    Fairliered said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @annabotting
    ·
    23s
    YouGov snap poll on #BBCDebate:

    Rishi Sunak - 50%
    Keir Starmer - 50%

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @annabotting
    ·
    23s
    YouGov snap poll on #BBCDebate:

    Rishi Sunak - 50%
    Keir Starmer - 50%

    Given current Tory poll rating of 20-25%, 50% saying Rishi won tonight is a clear win for the Tories.

    Expect the polls to narrow by the end of the weekend
    That’s a good result for Sunak, given the polls. It may shift them by a % or two, but not by enough to make a difference.
    Enough to get to 1997 style defeat rather than annihilation though, maybe even close to 2010 level gap
    Oh my, loving your optimism in the face of all the evidence.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,118
    Exactly.



    Sam Freedman
    @Samfr
    ·
    42m
    Sunak is the most unpopular party leader in history with a week to go before an election. It doesn't make the blindest bit of difference how he does in a debate.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,556
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    HYUFD said:

    Expect the polls to narrow by the end of the weekend

    you have been saying that since the day the election was called...
    And they will now., the final week of the campaign is when people really most switch on
    It will be interesting in the future to find out if Rishi was suppressed and told to behave in a certain way before tonight and then cut loose or if he was running things before and then tonight he was instructed to behave a different way.

    Personally I found that tonight he was at his most natural. It wasn’t forced and angry it was from the heart.

    I know lucky and others hate him but ultimately there is a small tax/gov politician there who has been hampered by events.

    A sliding doors will never be possible but if he won this one then I think the country would end up more towards the trusted small tax etc when it was safe.

    He’s not the enemy.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,104
    Pagan2 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    eek said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fuxsake.

    Vanilla - the only thing in the known universe more useless than the Department for Education.

    I disagree. The Perl programming language would give it a run for its money. The only "write once, never edit" language known.
    Perl was write once, make sure it works and then never ever go near it again.

    I remember a Perl expert writing what should have been a 200 line script in a single completely and utterly unreadable line, assembler was easier to read and follow...
    It was a thing amongst Perl programmers. They took a perverse delight in writing unreadable code.
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    There was another one that was all punctuation.
    brainfuck?
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  • highwayparadise306highwayparadise306 Posts: 1,274
    Scott_xP said:

    HYUFD said:

    Expect the polls to narrow by the end of the weekend

    you have been saying that since the day the election was called...
    We live in hope!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    rottenborough said:

    AlsoLei said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear win for Sunak there in my view. He was concise, clear, hard hitting and got across all the messages he wanted to wavering ReformUK and redwall switchers to Labour on the risk of higher taxes and increased immigration under a Labour government.

    Starmer though did not have a disaster and make a clear offer to voters of more spending and investment in public services under Labour and support for Trans rights and an attempt to get a new deal with the EU

    I think that's a fair summary - they were pitching to different audiences hence the sharp contrast in styles. Sunak will likely have done better with Refuk waverers, and Starmer will have done enough to reassure Con-Lab switchers outside of the red wall.

    So a score draw, as far as I can tell.

    Not enough to knock the betting scandal out of the headlines, though.
    No one is watching (relatively) I suspect.

    The 3 million or whatever who are watching have made up their minds already I v strongly suspect.
    BBC1 at 9pm a week before polling day on a night when England aren't playing? Probably got the highest viewing figures of any of the debates this campaign by a clear margin
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,186
    Pagan2 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    eek said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fuxsake.

    Vanilla - the only thing in the known universe more useless than the Department for Education.

    I disagree. The Perl programming language would give it a run for its money. The only "write once, never edit" language known.
    Perl was write once, make sure it works and then never ever go near it again.

    I remember a Perl expert writing what should have been a 200 line script in a single completely and utterly unreadable line, assembler was easier to read and follow...
    It was a thing amongst Perl programmers. They took a perverse delight in writing unreadable code.
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    You gone librarian poo?
    I suspect the librarian was indeed the inspiration but it is a genuinely compilable language
    There was another one that was all punctuation.
    brainfuck?
    It would certainly be the correct sort of name...
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,168
    Scott_xP said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Eight Fucking Grand

    On himself

    To lose

    Just remember, we pay his wages...
    The fact you pay someone's wages doesn't entitle you to any say whatsoever in how they spend them.

    This is all puritanism and ludicrous moral panic.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,990
    Beibheirli_C said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    eek said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fuxsake.

    Vanilla - the only thing in the known universe more useless than the Department for Education.

    I disagree. The Perl programming language would give it a run for its money. The only "write once, never edit" language known.
    Perl was write once, make sure it works and then never ever go near it again.

    I remember a Perl expert writing what should have been a 200 line script in a single completely and utterly unreadable line, assembler was easier to read and follow...
    It was a thing amongst Perl programmers. They took a perverse delight in writing unreadable code.
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    is valid code in the ook language just saying
    You gone librarian poo?
    I suspect the librarian was indeed the inspiration but it is a genuinely compilable language
    There was another one that was all punctuation.
    brainfuck?
    JosiasJessop said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fuxsake.

    Vanilla - the only thing in the known universe more useless than the Department for Education.

    I disagree. The Perl programming language would give it a run for its money. The only "write once, never edit" language known.
    To be fair c was always called a "worn" language write once read never though not as bad as perl or javascript
    I like C. As long as you were careful with using the heap you could do so much with C.

    It's way better than that kiddie toy known as Python
    C is brilliant, and will exist as long as conventional programming does. If you're doing embedded code, it was king. And apparently still is.

    You just need to be so careful with it.
    I started my career in C and still love it, the power to shoot both your feet off however was strong
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,165
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    HYUFD said:

    Expect the polls to narrow by the end of the weekend

    you have been saying that since the day the election was called...
    And they will now., the final week of the campaign is when people really most switch on
    Not the 25% who have already voted.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    Mexicanpete said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @annabotting
    ·
    23s
    YouGov snap poll on #BBCDebate:

    Rishi Sunak - 50%
    Keir Starmer - 50%

    Given current Tory poll rating of 20-25%, 50% saying Rishi won tonight is a clear win for the Tories.

    Expect the polls to narrow by the end of the weekend
    Given the current Labour poll rating of 40-45%, 50% saying SKS won tonight is a clear win for Labour [taps temple in a knowing way]
    82% to 18% of the undecideds (2019 Tories) went for Sunak according to YouGov.
    Exactly, Rishi did what he needed to squeeze undecided 2019 Tories back into the blue column
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    Mexicanpete said:

    ...

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Stereodog said:

    I’m not

    Mexicanpete said:

    ...

    RochdalePioneers said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    SKS fans please explain why your man is having a 75 minute car crash.

    He's too polite. Needs more umph.
    Mishal has rinsed Starmer tonight. She's done very well.

    Rishi got the better of Mishal by talking over both her and Starmer. Great performance by Rishi. Can it turn the polls?
    She hasn’t done well. She’s treating Sunak like he’s the leader of the opposition. She hasn’t pressed Sunak on a single thing that he’s done or not done in government. She’s allowed herself to be tales over and one of the reasons that Starmer has come off looking worse is that he’s been polite enough to answer the question. Sunak has done well by taking a leaf from the Trump book on debating.
    I don't think Starmer has done worse, I think he's come across calm and like a potential next Prime Minister which is his objective.

    He doesn't need to be shrill.
    Oh come off it Rishi jockeyed Starmer. He was sublime. Starmer was too polite and got the mother and father of all spankings from both Rishi and Mishal.
    Get a life.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    rottenborough said:

    AlsoLei said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear win for Sunak there in my view. He was concise, clear, hard hitting and got across all the messages he wanted to wavering ReformUK and redwall switchers to Labour on the risk of higher taxes and increased immigration under a Labour government.

    Starmer though did not have a disaster and make a clear offer to voters of more spending and investment in public services under Labour and support for Trans rights and an attempt to get a new deal with the EU

    I think that's a fair summary - they were pitching to different audiences hence the sharp contrast in styles. Sunak will likely have done better with Refuk waverers, and Starmer will have done enough to reassure Con-Lab switchers outside of the red wall.

    So a score draw, as far as I can tell.

    Not enough to knock the betting scandal out of the headlines, though.
    No one is watching (relatively) I suspect.

    The 3 million or whatever who are watching have made up their minds already I v strongly suspect.
    What each side wants is some nice clips for social media. They'll get those clips, they'll float around TwIxTok for a couple of days and be used in the short campaign, then everyone will forget about them.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Beibheirli_C said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Do we get a Poll on who won that

    If its not Sunak by a decent margin the Tories are going to get anhilated.

    Clear win for Sunak IMO

    It does not make any realistic difference. Starmer will be the next PM.
    He will yes
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,023
    SNP and Lib Dems on BBC 1 now. I’d sooner fire a nail gun into my testes than listen to this pair of buffoons. So it’s off to YouTube.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 22,362
    boulay said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    HYUFD said:

    Expect the polls to narrow by the end of the weekend

    you have been saying that since the day the election was called...
    And they will now., the final week of the campaign is when people really most switch on
    It will be interesting in the future to find out if Rishi was suppressed and told to behave in a certain way before tonight and then cut loose or if he was running things before and then tonight he was instructed to behave a different way.

    Personally I found that tonight he was at his most natural. It wasn’t forced and angry it was from the heart.

    I know lucky and others hate him but ultimately there is a small tax/gov politician there who has been hampered by events.

    A sliding doors will never be possible but if he won this one then I think the country would end up more towards the trusted small tax etc when it was safe.

    He’s not the enemy.
    He's the one who has increased taxes to record levels.

    He's the one who has increased redistribution (welfare) to record levels.

    He's the one behind the Triple Lock Plus.

    Its not events, or Covid, or Ukraine behind any of that.

    If you want to cut welfare, you need to cut the Triple Lock.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,336
    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    Scott_xP said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Eight Fucking Grand

    On himself

    To lose

    Just remember, we pay his wages...
    The fact you pay someone's wages doesn't entitle you to any say whatsoever in how they spend them.

    This is all puritanism and ludicrous moral panic.
    It does if he acts in a way contrary to our interests, which would correspond to a fair proportion of his voters. Like a jockey nobbling the horse.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    SandyRentool said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    HYUFD said:

    Expect the polls to narrow by the end of the weekend

    you have been saying that since the day the election was called...
    And they will now., the final week of the campaign is when people really most switch on
    Not the 25% who have already voted.
    Most of them will be pensioners and already Tory, it is 35-65 year olds who are the swing voters who will mainly vote on polling day
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,058
    HYUFD said:

    Fairliered said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @annabotting
    ·
    23s
    YouGov snap poll on #BBCDebate:

    Rishi Sunak - 50%
    Keir Starmer - 50%

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @annabotting
    ·
    23s
    YouGov snap poll on #BBCDebate:

    Rishi Sunak - 50%
    Keir Starmer - 50%

    Given current Tory poll rating of 20-25%, 50% saying Rishi won tonight is a clear win for the Tories.

    Expect the polls to narrow by the end of the weekend
    That’s a good result for Sunak, given the polls. It may shift them by a % or two, but not by enough to make a difference.
    Enough to get to 1997 style defeat rather than annihilation though, maybe even close to 2010 level gap
    At this stage, you will be happy with that, I assume.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,556
    Daisy cooper needs a tailor to sort out her trousers. And stay off the speed.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,986
    That's 1 minute and 23 seconds of my life I won't be getting back.

    That's how much "debate" I watched.

    What is the point of these? Seriously - the reason we complain about our politics and our democracy is that this is how the tv companies have reduced it, to a pointless argument which you can witness in a boozer or club most nights.

    Why do we have to have these ludicrous spectacles? Does it in any way convince anyone of anything? How in any way does it convince anyone of the worthiness of either to be Prime Minister?

    We need to do this differently, sensibly and respectfully and in that way maybe our own political discourse will improve.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    Pagan2 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    eek said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fuxsake.

    Vanilla - the only thing in the known universe more useless than the Department for Education.

    I disagree. The Perl programming language would give it a run for its money. The only "write once, never edit" language known.
    Perl was write once, make sure it works and then never ever go near it again.

    I remember a Perl expert writing what should have been a 200 line script in a single completely and utterly unreadable line, assembler was easier to read and follow...
    It was a thing amongst Perl programmers. They took a perverse delight in writing unreadable code.
    Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook.
    Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook! Ook? Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook.
    Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook! Ook! Ook? Ook! Ook? Ook.
    Ook! Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook.
    Ook. Ook. Ook! Ook? Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook?
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    Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook! Ook. Ook! Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook.
    Ook. Ook. Ook! Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook.
    Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook! Ook? Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook.
    Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook! Ook! Ook? Ook! Ook? Ook. Ook! Ook.
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    Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook! Ook? Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook.
    Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook.
    Ook. Ook? Ook! Ook! Ook? Ook! Ook? Ook. Ook! Ook! Ook! Ook! Ook! Ook! Ook! Ook.
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    Ook! Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook! Ook.

    is valid code in the ook language just saying
    You gone librarian poo?
    I suspect the librarian was indeed the inspiration but it is a genuinely compilable language
    There was another one that was all punctuation.
    brainfuck?
    JosiasJessop said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fuxsake.

    Vanilla - the only thing in the known universe more useless than the Department for Education.

    I disagree. The Perl programming language would give it a run for its money. The only "write once, never edit" language known.
    To be fair c was always called a "worn" language write once read never though not as bad as perl or javascript
    I like C. As long as you were careful with using the heap you could do so much with C.

    It's way better than that kiddie toy known as Python
    C is brilliant, and will exist as long as conventional programming does. If you're doing embedded code, it was king. And apparently still is.

    You just need to be so careful with it.
    I started my career in C and still love it, the power to shoot both your feet off however was strong
    I wrote a test data parser tool using C when I was a grad because the company refused to issue me a C++ or Java dev kit license. A nice crash course in pointers and what happens when you accidentally run them off the end of your string and into unindexed memory.
  • GrandcanyonGrandcanyon Posts: 105
    Anabobazina said:

    Didn’t see the debates, been watching the football.

    The Georgians are leading Portugal and from what I can ascertain that will change England’s opponents in the R16 to Slovakia?

    England have a doddle of a draw now. Because Portugal were already guaranteed top though this sort of format could lend itself to match fixing though im sure its all above board.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,336
    Farooq said:

    Taz said:

    SNP and Lib Dems on BBC 1 now. I’d sooner fire a nail gun into my testes than listen to this pair of buffoons. So it’s off to YouTube.

    You're broadcasting the nailgun thing on YT?
    Link?
    Amazing what excites people. Listening to Mr Sunak has this effect?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,890
    Anabobazina said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    ...

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Stereodog said:

    I’m not

    Mexicanpete said:

    ...

    RochdalePioneers said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    SKS fans please explain why your man is having a 75 minute car crash.

    He's too polite. Needs more umph.
    Mishal has rinsed Starmer tonight. She's done very well.

    Rishi got the better of Mishal by talking over both her and Starmer. Great performance by Rishi. Can it turn the polls?
    She hasn’t done well. She’s treating Sunak like he’s the leader of the opposition. She hasn’t pressed Sunak on a single thing that he’s done or not done in government. She’s allowed herself to be tales over and one of the reasons that Starmer has come off looking worse is that he’s been polite enough to answer the question. Sunak has done well by taking a leaf from the Trump book on debating.
    I don't think Starmer has done worse, I think he's come across calm and like a potential next Prime Minister which is his objective.

    He doesn't need to be shrill.
    Oh come off it Rishi jockeyed Starmer. He was sublime. Starmer was too polite and got the mother and father of all spankings from both Rishi and Mishal.
    Get a life.
    Did you watch? No, I thought not.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    boulay said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    HYUFD said:

    Expect the polls to narrow by the end of the weekend

    you have been saying that since the day the election was called...
    And they will now., the final week of the campaign is when people really most switch on
    It will be interesting in the future to find out if Rishi was suppressed and told to behave in a certain way before tonight and then cut loose or if he was running things before and then tonight he was instructed to behave a different way.

    Personally I found that tonight he was at his most natural. It wasn’t forced and angry it was from the heart.

    I know lucky and others hate him but ultimately there is a small tax/gov politician there who has been hampered by events.

    A sliding doors will never be possible but if he won this one then I think the country would end up more towards the trusted small tax etc when it was safe.

    He’s not the enemy.
    He's the one who has increased taxes to record levels.

    He's the one who has increased redistribution (welfare) to record levels.

    He's the one behind the Triple Lock Plus.

    Its not events, or Covid, or Ukraine behind any of that.

    If you want to cut welfare, you need to cut the Triple Lock.
    Not to mention the ludicrous smoking ban and conscription wheeze.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,119
    Georgia beat Portugal 2-0!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    BBC poll of polls

    Lab 41%
    Con 20%
    Ref 16%
    LD 11%
    Green 6%
    SNP 3%
    PC 1%
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,122
    stodge said:

    That's 1 minute and 23 seconds of my life I won't be getting back.

    That's how much "debate" I watched.

    What is the point of these? Seriously - the reason we complain about our politics and our democracy is that this is how the tv companies have reduced it, to a pointless argument which you can witness in a boozer or club most nights.

    Why do we have to have these ludicrous spectacles? Does it in any way convince anyone of anything? How in any way does it convince anyone of the worthiness of either to be Prime Minister?

    We need to do this differently, sensibly and respectfully and in that way maybe our own political discourse will improve.

    The one on one interviews were far better as a format
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,168
    Carnyx said:

    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    Scott_xP said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Eight Fucking Grand

    On himself

    To lose

    Just remember, we pay his wages...
    The fact you pay someone's wages doesn't entitle you to any say whatsoever in how they spend them.

    This is all puritanism and ludicrous moral panic.
    It does if he acts in a way contrary to our interests, which would correspond to a fair proportion of his voters. Like a jockey nobbling the horse.
    There's no sense in which he's done that or anything like it.

    The bloke reckons he'll lose, but at least he might get a nice holiday with his winnings.

    That's telling, but the rage from people who didn't give a flying fuck about Paddy Power's profit margin ten days ago is ludicrous.
  • James_MJames_M Posts: 103
    Clive and Laura need to work on this double act. They keep speaking over each other.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959

    NEW THREAD

  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    I think Sunak edged the debate but found his constant mention of surrender grating.

    I think Starmer missed a few opportunities . Sunak felt like he had nothing to lose and went for it but interrupted far too much which became annoying.

    Problem for Sunak is most postal votes will be in already and he’s trying to make up ground far too late .
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    edited June 26
    Fairliered said:

    HYUFD said:

    Fairliered said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @annabotting
    ·
    23s
    YouGov snap poll on #BBCDebate:

    Rishi Sunak - 50%
    Keir Starmer - 50%

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @annabotting
    ·
    23s
    YouGov snap poll on #BBCDebate:

    Rishi Sunak - 50%
    Keir Starmer - 50%

    Given current Tory poll rating of 20-25%, 50% saying Rishi won tonight is a clear win for the Tories.

    Expect the polls to narrow by the end of the weekend
    That’s a good result for Sunak, given the polls. It may shift them by a % or two, but not by enough to make a difference.
    Enough to get to 1997 style defeat rather than annihilation though, maybe even close to 2010 level gap
    At this stage, you will be happy with that, I assume.
    Given today's polls showing 41% Labour 20% Tory 15% Reform if by polling day we got to something like an exit poll of 36% Labour 29% Tory 11% Reform after this debate that would be like 2017 was for Labour for Tories. That now at the absolute top end of hopes though
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,468
    spudgfsh said:

    hrmmm.... not the view on here

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1806064283417301213

    Starmer winning on all the supplementary questions: https://x.com/yougov/status/1806068008407683294
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,816
    ...
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @annabotting
    ·
    23s
    YouGov snap poll on #BBCDebate:

    Rishi Sunak - 50%
    Keir Starmer - 50%

    Given current Tory poll rating of 20-25%, 50% saying Rishi won tonight is a clear win for the Tories.

    Expect the polls to narrow by the end of the weekend
    Teehee.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,721
    RochdalePioneers said:

    Eight Fucking Grand

    On himself

    To lose

    Well, who better to be chair of the All Party Parliamentary Group for Betting and Gaming?

    His Dad was Doncaster mayor (for the English Democrats, following "Donnygate") and was also rather fond of the racecourse.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,023
    Farooq said:

    Taz said:

    SNP and Lib Dems on BBC 1 now. I’d sooner fire a nail gun into my testes than listen to this pair of buffoons. So it’s off to YouTube.

    You're broadcasting the nailgun thing on YT?
    Link?
    Did I say YouTube. Meant Xvideo.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,336
    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    Carnyx said:

    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    Scott_xP said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Eight Fucking Grand

    On himself

    To lose

    Just remember, we pay his wages...
    The fact you pay someone's wages doesn't entitle you to any say whatsoever in how they spend them.

    This is all puritanism and ludicrous moral panic.
    It does if he acts in a way contrary to our interests, which would correspond to a fair proportion of his voters. Like a jockey nobbling the horse.
    There's no sense in which he's done that or anything like it.

    The bloke reckons he'll lose, but at least he might get a nice holiday with his winnings.

    That's telling, but the rage from people who didn't give a flying fuck about Paddy Power's profit margin ten days ago is ludicrous.
    It's an interesting issue, though. The point is that he's supposed not only to be clean but to ibe seen to be clean. That means no conflicts of interest. Voting against himself is seen as dodgy, whjich it is because it is a potential conflict with his duties to his voters, certainly his Tory voters, and implies he isn't trying (even if most of them want him out in the event).
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    Mexicanpete said:

    Anabobazina said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    ...

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Stereodog said:

    I’m not

    Mexicanpete said:

    ...

    RochdalePioneers said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    SKS fans please explain why your man is having a 75 minute car crash.

    He's too polite. Needs more umph.
    Mishal has rinsed Starmer tonight. She's done very well.

    Rishi got the better of Mishal by talking over both her and Starmer. Great performance by Rishi. Can it turn the polls?
    She hasn’t done well. She’s treating Sunak like he’s the leader of the opposition. She hasn’t pressed Sunak on a single thing that he’s done or not done in government. She’s allowed herself to be tales over and one of the reasons that Starmer has come off looking worse is that he’s been polite enough to answer the question. Sunak has done well by taking a leaf from the Trump book on debating.
    I don't think Starmer has done worse, I think he's come across calm and like a potential next Prime Minister which is his objective.

    He doesn't need to be shrill.
    Oh come off it Rishi jockeyed Starmer. He was sublime. Starmer was too polite and got the mother and father of all spankings from both Rishi and Mishal.
    Get a life.
    Did you watch? No, I thought not.
    I saw about two minutes as I was flicking over to the football after coming home from the pub. But I didn’t need to watch it having read your incisive arse-licking/analysis.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,023
    Grandcanyon said:

    Anabobazina said:

    Didn’t see the debates, been watching the football.

    The Georgians are leading Portugal and from what I can ascertain that will change England’s opponents in the R16 to Slovakia?

    England have a doddle of a draw now. Because Portugal were already guaranteed top though this sort of format could lend itself to match fixing though im sure its all above board.
    Yeah, because we’ve done so well so far putting the Slovaks to the sword will be a doddle.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,336
    Farooq said:

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Taz said:

    SNP and Lib Dems on BBC 1 now. I’d sooner fire a nail gun into my testes than listen to this pair of buffoons. So it’s off to YouTube.

    You're broadcasting the nailgun thing on YT?
    Link?
    Amazing what excites people. Listening to Mr Sunak has this effect?
    I didn't watch. I've only got so much capacity to watch people humiliate themselves live. I've avoided all the debates because I've been saving myself for the nailgun broadcast.
    Not you, I was referring to Taz!
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,500
    boulay said:

    Daisy cooper needs a tailor to sort out her trousers. And stay off the speed.

    She can't have been worse than Rishi, surely?

    (Actually - does he take ADHD meds? If his prescription is wrong, it might go some way to explain his behaviour)
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    stodge said:

    That's 1 minute and 23 seconds of my life I won't be getting back.

    That's how much "debate" I watched.

    What is the point of these? Seriously - the reason we complain about our politics and our democracy is that this is how the tv companies have reduced it, to a pointless argument which you can witness in a boozer or club most nights.

    Why do we have to have these ludicrous spectacles? Does it in any way convince anyone of anything? How in any way does it convince anyone of the worthiness of either to be Prime Minister?

    We need to do this differently, sensibly and respectfully and in that way maybe our own political discourse will improve.

    Next time round someone should have the guts to do a Lincoln-Douglas format debate. Perhaps not sixty minutes followed by ninety minutes of response and a thirty minute rejoinder, but use the format for the questions. Six, nine and three for each topic going back and forth between the opponents. Cut the non-speaking participant's microphone to stop the endless interruptions.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,144
    Scott_xP said:

    @annabotting
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    YouGov snap poll on #BBCDebate:

    Rishi Sunak - 50%
    Keir Starmer - 50%

    If it was a balanced sample, that’s a win for Sunak, against the poll ratings. But surely won’t make much difference; this election has hardly had ordinary folk rushing to watch as much of it as possible
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    Jonathan said:

    I missed the debate. I was in the pub. Who won?

    Me

    Was anyone with any sense not in the pub tonight?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,456
    Zemeckis's new film, 'Here', looks intriguing from the trailer:

    https://x.com/FilmUpdates/status/1805952070438056099

    A film all taken with the same camera perspective (*)

    (*) I daresay someone who knowns anything about film knows a better term
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,962
    Andy_JS said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    8 bags. On himself to lose. Nothing to see here, its "nobody's business" he claims.

    Forget the debate. You what we're going to be doing between here and polling day? Discovering which Tories are next under the cosh for impropriety...

    Hello RP, do you have any more updates on the campaign in AN & ME?
    Better than the handful of MRP polls suggest. Great engagement on our social media which we're pushing hard. Hearing the other 2 aren't happy that we're actually campaigning. Watching especially the cybernats getting increasingly angry.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,682
    JosiasJessop said:

    Zemeckis's new film, 'Here', looks intriguing from the trailer:

    https://x.com/FilmUpdates/status/1805952070438056099

    A film all taken with the same camera perspective (*)

    (*) I daresay someone who knowns anything about film knows a better term

    Trailer reminds me of the scene in the Time Machine - the view of the shop over the way.
  • jamesdoylejamesdoyle Posts: 790
    JosiasJessop said:

    Zemeckis's new film, 'Here', looks intriguing from the trailer:

    https://x.com/FilmUpdates/status/1805952070438056099

    A film all taken with the same camera perspective (*)

    (*) I daresay someone who knowns anything about film knows a better term

    A play?
  • MustaphaMondeoMustaphaMondeo Posts: 196
    MustaphaMondeo said:

    Taz said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Labour run Nottingham City Council is on the verge of bankruptcy what will you do to reverse Councils going bankrupt

    SKS Sweet FA
    Sunak same as SKS

    What an intellectually bankrupt GE we are having with these 2 Parties

    Why should taxpayers in the country bail out councils, whatever their politics, who have gone bankrupt through their own ineptitude. Fuck them. The council tax payers voted them in, they can live with the consequences of that.

    Mad as cheese.

    Uk gov cuts sure start centres. They were warned there would be long term costs. Struggling parents lose support.

    UK gov tells councils to sell children’s homes to balance the books because of cuts.

    Hedge fund buys council children’s homes and puts up prices.

    Horrible number of children of the previously lost generation are feral and need around the clock care.

    How exactly is that the fault of council tax payers?

    PS.the costs are sometimes unbelievably astronomical. It can be as much as £2m to protect one very difficult to manage child 24hrs a day for a year.

    And then there are the costs being paid by the child. The conservatives deserve a bad result next week.
  • theakestheakes Posts: 935
    Am I alone in thinking the debate last night was a complete waste of time. We have MRPs saying the Tories could even finish fourth. What was the relevance of Starmer v Sunak, Sunak is an irrelevance, Everyone knows Labour will walk it, the only interest is in who becomes Leader of the Opposition, Davey or Farage? They were not there..
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