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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited June 2024

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1799040426764358137

    Tense.

    Do watch in full

    Must be one of the worst statements I have ever seen.

    I don't know, there are plenty to choose from. I remember the Gordon Brown one after the whole smear-gate, I take full responsibility so I fired the person responsible and I knew nothing about it even though I sit right by two of the people involved.
  • DavidL said:

    I am particularly busy at the moment but I regret to say that I did not see a single minute of the anniversary commemorations either. No doubt the fault is mine.

    I get more than a little tired of those expressing outrage on someone else's behalf, someone they haven't even had the courtesy to ask. It is wearing.

    OTOH I find it very difficult to see what Sunak could possibly do that could make him look more Prime Ministerial or like a leader of substance than being there and playing a prominent part. It is politically stupid and inept, as so many of his decisions are. Morally? Bah!
    Just the point that it would be rather difficult to ask most of those being commemorated their opinion since they are long gone. Of course their families and their nation live on and so we are being asked instead.

    Boulay - What you did his not important. Why? Because you are not the PM, you do not represent the country. Mr Sunak is and he failed - yet again.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,955
    TOPPING said:

    "pipe major in the town..."

    This is a betting site so my market: 18-22 stone.
    Extraordinary. Keeping an eye out for your tips from now on.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,327
    Leon said:


    I see your point but you’re a stupid fat dickless loser in a Barratt home new build in Warrington. So we also have to take that into consideration, surely, as it means you are SO low in the pecking order of life you are desperate for the tiniest scintilla of perceived superiority, moral or intellectual, even when it is clearly bogus, as here

    YOU’LL FIND ME AT THE MOZART CAFE
    I guess you had a pretty disturbed night, or maybe you hit the horilka a bit hard this morning?

    If you want booze that makes you a bit less fighty, I´d suggest nyalivka, but avoid Piana Vyshnya, which is Benylin without the subtle aftertaste.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1799040426764358137

    Tense.

    Do watch in full

    Must be one of the worst statements I have ever seen.

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1799040426764358137

    Tense.

    Do watch in full

    Must be one of the worst statements I have ever seen.

    Warning - if cringe is your kink, put some towels down before you watch.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 2,005
    Leon said:

    The state of this

    “Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”

    https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL

    Few things have made me angrier recently. It encapsulates everything wrong with 'radical' left-wing activism. Internally incoherent and incredibly stupid, hectoring, destroying the very things claim to value because others aren't allowed to enjoy them without paying the Danegeld, bullying, full undeserved self-righteousness, and then throw in a non-sequitur about Israel because why not? That's what's cool to shout about these days.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,451
    @DPJHodges

    I didn’t believe reports Sunak and his team contemplated not attending the events at all. Having watched his interview again, and spoken to a couple of people, I’m not sure now. His explanation doesn’t add up.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    biggles said:

    That’s the bit I just don’t understand. Flip this around. If you were running an election campaign and were offered free prime time tv time that didn’t “score” for electoral balance reasons, photo ops with world leaders, including Zelensky, and universally loved D-Day veterans; you’d jump at the chance.

    Him tuning it down shows incompetence and idiocy. It’s the exact opposite of taking the politically motivated choice some are accusing him of. It’s just stupid.
    Its so unfathomable on so many levels. Morally, personally, politically. It isn't like he was tasked with opening a local spoons and nicked off early as what is there to gain from having to listen to the local Nigel Farage tell you all about the world's problems.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,491
    boulay said:

    Quite right too. I mean, I know most people who are hammering Sunak woke up early yesterday, faced towards Normandy and saluted at the time of the first landings then spent the day in sorrowful contemplation whilst watching Whoever has replaced Huw Edward’s looking mournful whilst weeping into their tissues.

    I know they refrained from anything frivolous but I think of the words of my grandfather who survived the war, who was bombing Normandy from D-day onwards, to go and enjoy every day and don’t take it all too seriously because you don’t know when it’s over.

    He lost two brothers in the war and would have found the performative outrage seriously embarrassing and possibly offensive in itself because the vast majority of the outrage isn’t because they hold these incredibly deep values and feelings for those who died but because it makes one side look bad and them better.
    Um nope - it's because it's the polite thing to do - everyone attended the UK ceremony so in return you turn up to the US ceremony.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,286

    Never give in to these people. You give an inch and before you know it everything is cancelled / problematic.
    It’s why SOME of us - the, how shall I say, more “perceptive” - opposed Woke from the start. Because this is obviously where it ends. Everything must be pure! Untainted! Woke! But that destroys everything because mankind is made of crooked timber; purity is an illusion even if it if desirable (which I gravely doubt)
  • JamesFJamesF Posts: 42
    DM_Andy said:

    Conspiracy theorists in Gateshead Central and Whickham have someone to vote for


    I love the fact that his surname is in square brackets!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,451
    He has, somehow, defying all expectations, made it worse.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,451
    @ShehabKhan

    NEW: The Lib Dems are calling on Rishi Sunak to donate their £5 million Frank Hester donation to a veterans' charity
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    MJW said:

    Few things have made me angrier recently. It encapsulates everything wrong with 'radical' left-wing activism. Internally incoherent and incredibly stupid, hectoring, destroying the very things claim to value because others aren't allowed to enjoy them without paying the Danegeld, bullying, full undeserved self-righteousness, and then throw in a non-sequitur about Israel because why not? That's what's cool to shout about these days.
    And what does it achieve. Probably that some of these festivals don't go ahead. Well done Sebastian and Arabella. Top work.
  • Clutch_BromptonClutch_Brompton Posts: 747
    edited June 2024
    For those feeling no mercy for certain knobheads I recommend the latest from Ian Dunt (which you can read for free).

    https://iandunt.substack.com/p/d-day-for-sunak
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,617
    Eabhal said:

    Extraordinary. Keeping an eye out for your tips from now on.
    You can have my "Cons would be mad not to wait until Jan 2025" ones for nothing.

    I mean deadly accurate as an assessment of the Cons' state of mind but dreadful as a betting tip.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    Scott_xP said:

    @DPJHodges

    I didn’t believe reports Sunak and his team contemplated not attending the events at all. Having watched his interview again, and spoken to a couple of people, I’m not sure now. His explanation doesn’t add up.

    If they have lied about this, he will absolutely 100% be finished.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    eek said:

    Um nope - it's because it's the polite thing to do - everyone attended the UK ceremony so in return you turn up to the US ceremony.
    I mean that last paragraph is just inaccurate. They didn’t.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,858

    I don't fancy Penny Mourdant job this evening. It bad enough having 6 others gang up on you in a debate over your record in government, now what does she do about Sunak decision?

    Go in studs up on Farage.

    And let the PM speak for himself.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited June 2024
    Leon said:

    It’s why SOME of us - the, how shall I say, more “perceptive” - opposed Woke from the start. Because this is obviously where it ends. Everything must be pure! Untainted! Woke! But that destroys everything because mankind is made of crooked timber; purity is an illusion even if it if desirable (which I gravely doubt)
    I think people who want to oppose "Woke", need to stop calling it Woke. Inside keep referring to intersectionality, because this is where the really mental purity stuff come from.

    The belief Inequality is due to oppression, unless the capitalist system is broken, there will always be inequality, therefore oppression hierarchy and therefore the system must be torn down.

    Like the eco-fascists. You aren't negotiating with good faith actors.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735

    If they have lied about this, he will absolutely 100% be finished.
    “I know we’ve had a lot of leaders since Boris folks, but this time we’ve picked a winner. Honest. Vote for them and we promise they will do the job until at least Christmas”.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,930

    The depleted editorial team should use OGH's old tricks of starting a thread every time he saw a tweet about a new opinion poll, and when he didn't, regularly starting generic Nighthawks threads. We do not need the editors to spend the whole day crafting thousand-word headers.
    I wonder if there isn't a long standing respected member who could step up to being on the editorial team? How did TSE get his place?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,921
    edited June 2024
    biggles said:

    That’s the bit I just don’t understand. Flip this around. If you were running an election campaign and were offered free prime time tv time that didn’t “score” for electoral balance reasons, photo ops with world leaders, including Zelensky, and universally loved D-Day veterans; you’d jump at the chance.

    Him turning it down shows incompetence and idiocy. It’s the exact opposite of taking the politically motivated choice some are accusing him of. It’s just stupid.
    It goes beyond stupid. It's stark raving bonkers. And to leave the LOTO to hold the field and representing the UK, I mean why doesn't he accept that he is for all practical purposes, no longer our PM and the chalice has already passed?

    Sunak had almost nothing going for him in the campaign. The one "almost" was incumbency and he has thrown the advantages that brings away. It's right up there with Jeremy Thorpe thinking, see that Norman Scott, he's a bit of a nuisance, maybe I should murder him.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    edited June 2024
    biggles said:

    “I know we’ve had a lot of leaders since Boris folks, but this time we’ve picked a winner. Honest. Vote for them and we promise they will do the job until at least Christmas”.
    Actually, joking aside, the only person who could parachute in now, take over, and minimise the defeat is Boris. He could brazen it out.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,825
    a

    I don't know, there are plenty to choose from. I remember the Gordon Brown one after the whole smear-gate, I take full responsibility so I fired the person responsible and I knew nothing about it even though I sit right by two of the people involved.
    The Labour Party was very, very lucky that it got found out before RedRag went live.
  • Well somehow SKS's "Sunak is a liar" point has been proven right in a matter of days. What seemed a poor comeback now looks once again like strategic genius.

    Rishi Sunak, the greatest Labour candidate in history.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,821
    edited June 2024
    DavidL said:

    I am particularly busy at the moment but I regret to say that I did not see a single minute of the anniversary commemorations either. No doubt the fault is mine.

    I get more than a little tired of those expressing outrage on someone else's behalf, someone they haven't even had the courtesy to ask. It is wearing.

    OTOH I find it very difficult to see what Sunak could possibly do that could make him look more Prime Ministerial or like a leader of substance than being there and playing a prominent part. It is politically stupid and inept, as so many of his decisions are. Morally? Bah!
    Yes. he has to go so we don't have to. If a new PM wants to know what that is like, every day for years, he could ask the king. Most of us don't want the job, and that is one of the reasons.

    And I did't watch a single second of the D-Day stuff, and that bears no relation to whether I care. I shall be in the back row somewhere on the second Sunday in November wearing my poppy, remember the 6 years of my dad's life from 1939-1945 and go home.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    Nigelb said:

    Go in studs up on Farage.

    And let the PM speak for himself.
    What does that even look like? Calling him a racist isn't going to fly with the voters they're fighting over.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,089
    Leon said:

    It’s 3pm in Odessa darling. EVERYONE goes to “the Mozart” at 3

    Don’t you know ANYTHING?

    *essays disdainful pout*
    Not a Carry On fan, then.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited June 2024
    biggles said:

    Actually, joking aside, the only person who could parachute in now, take over, and minimise the defeat is Boris. He could brazen it out.
    He is on holiday....keeping himself 1000s of miles away from this.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131

    a

    The Labour Party was very, very lucky that it got found out before RedRag went live.
    How Kevin Maguire managed to carry on in the media like nothing happened is beyond me.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    edited June 2024
    DavidL said:

    It goes beyond stupid. It's stark raving bonkers. And to leave the LOTO to hold the field and representing the UK, I mean why doesn't he accept that he is for all practical purposes, no longer our PM and the chalice has already passed?

    Sunak had almost nothing going for him in the campaign. The one "almost" was incumbency and he has thrown the advantages that brings away. It's right up there with Jeremy Thorpe thinking, see that Norman Scott, he's a bit of a nuisance, maybe I should murder him.
    If he had done this outside of an election, you have to guess he’d have been no-confidenced.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,858
    edited June 2024

    Never give in to these people. You give an inch and before you know it everything is cancelled / problematic.
    The activists are basically objecting to BG being an investment company.

    ...“The assertion that we have significant amounts of money in the occupied Palestinian territories is offensively misleading. Baillie Gifford is a large investor in several multinational technology companies, including Amazon, Nvidia and Meta. Demanding divestment from these global companies, used by millions of people around the world, is unreasonable and serves no purpose. Much as it would be unreasonable to demand authors boycott Instagram or stop selling books on Amazon.”

    Baillie Gifford was also not a “significant fossil fuel investor”, Thomas said. “Only 2% of our clients’ money is invested in companies with some business related to fossil fuels. We invest far more in companies helping drive the transition to clean energy.”..
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,825

    I wonder if there isn't a long standing respected member who could step up to being on the editorial team? How did TSE get his place?
    All you need is membership of the Grand Council of the Illuminati, the Trilateral Commission *and* The Elders of Zion.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited June 2024
    Nigelb said:

    The activists are basically objecting to BF being an investment company.

    ...“The assertion that we have significant amounts of money in the occupied Palestinian territories is offensively misleading. Baillie Gifford is a large investor in several multinational technology companies, including Amazon, Nvidia and Meta. Demanding divestment from these global companies, used by millions of people around the world, is unreasonable and serves no purpose. Much as it would be unreasonable to demand authors boycott Instagram or stop selling books on Amazon.”

    Baillie Gifford was also not a “significant fossil fuel investor”, Thomas said. “Only 2% of our clients’ money is invested in companies with some business related to fossil fuels. We invest far more in companies helping drive the transition to clean energy.”..
    This is my point. They are rarely if ever good faith actors, they despise the capitalist system, it must be torn down. I bet we all indirectly have 2% of our pension etc invested in these areas.

    One of the XR founder was honest about it at the beginning, that climate change cause was just a vehicle to help them achieve this by tapping into wider public concerns about the environment.

    This is what they are doing here, leveraging fossil fuels and Israel.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,617
    edited June 2024
    OK NEW D-DAY NEWS

    My postie just arrived. Shaved head, tats everywhere you look, including one of those ones with a bulldog holding a union jack or maybe wearing one I didn't look to closely.

    Came over, handed me my post, left.

    Not. A. Word. about Normandy.

    DYOR and bet accordingly.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,955

    If they have lied about this, he will absolutely 100% be finished.
    Is there a mechanism to force Sunak out? I assume the 1922 does not work because they aren't technically MPs at the moment.

    And he is safe as PM because there isn't a House to draw confidence from.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735

    This is my point. They are rarely if ever good faith actors, they despise the capitalist system, it must be torn down. One of the XR founder was honest about it at the beginning, that climate change cause was just a vehicle to help them achieve this by tapping into wider public concerns about the environment.
    I have a coal fire. Am I….. cancelled?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,525
    Scott_xP said:

    @ShehabKhan

    NEW: The Lib Dems are calling on Rishi Sunak to donate their £5 million Frank Hester donation to a veterans' charity

    Could add the £4m the LibDems took from Michael Brown and really help those veterans.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 5,173
    I am just home from work and errands in town. What has Sunak done now?

    In other news, I hear that Labour has, if I understand the details correctly, promised to revive the Help to Buy scheme (slightly different name this time, but same DNA) and make it permanent. If anyone ever doubted that one of the principle functions of the British state is to ensure ever-rising house prices, there's your proof.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,921
    biggles said:

    I have a coal fire. Am I….. cancelled?
    Sorry, who are you?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,017
    TOPPING said:

    OK NEW D-DAY NEWS

    My postie just arrived. Shaved head, tats everywhere you look, including one of those ones with a bulldog holding a union jack or maybe wearing one I didn't look to closely.

    Came over, handed me my post, left.

    Not. A. Word. about Normandy.

    DYOR and bet accordingly.

    Left - clear indication he is Labour, right?
  • glwglw Posts: 10,292
    I have to say it will be bloody hilarious if the Tories have one more leadership change before the general election.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited June 2024
    pigeon said:

    I am just home from work and errands in town. What has Sunak done now?

    In other news, I hear that Labour has, if I understand the details correctly, promised to revive the Help to Buy scheme (slightly different name this time, but same DNA) and make it permanent. If anyone ever doubted that one of the principle functions of the British state is to ensure ever-rising house prices, there's your proof.

    This guy explains it well, from a few months ago when Tories floated similar idea. There is no free lunch on this.

    99% Mortgages Are A Terrible Idea.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGgA_C7znwY

    And the ticking timebomb is already there...

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/08/12/help-buy-scheme-first-time-buyers-downsize/

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/first-time-buyers-forced-sell-up-unaffordable-help-to-buy/

    A lot of Labour flagship policies appear to be just reheated with a new name. Freedom to Buy, the national wealth scheme is PFI, ASBOS are coming back with a different name.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,126
    edited June 2024
    Eabhal said:

    In South Tyneside, the population fell while the number of households increased very slightly.

    This is where the analysis is tricky - under Bart's thinking, that means there was some housing pressure, which has some merit.

    However, I suggest that the inverse is happening - there is so little pressure on housing in S.Tyneside people can afford to live alone. I think Barty includes this effect in his definition of "pressure", which I think is a little misleading. Indeed, comparing that kind of "pressure" to that experienced by people in London is just plain wrong.

    Under his definition, housing pressure is effectively inescapable. We'd all love to live alone in a 10 bed mansion.
    Most people, most of the time, buy the best house that the bank will let them afford. So, in that sense, I think there is an element of demand for housing being almost infinite.

    If you taxed buy-to-let out of existence, and tightened up the mortgage rules to reduce how much people could borrow, then you could engineer a very large drop in house prices, even with no surge in house-building.

    I don't think that would be the approach that would maximise human happiness, or economic utility, however.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,192

    If they have lied about this, he will absolutely 100% be finished.
    Im not sure how he can be much more finished than he is currently.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    pigeon said:

    I am just home from work and errands in town. What has Sunak done now?

    In other news, I hear that Labour has, if I understand the details correctly, promised to revive the Help to Buy scheme (slightly different name this time, but same DNA) and make it permanent. If anyone ever doubted that one of the principle functions of the British state is to ensure ever-rising house prices, there's your proof.

    Someone should ask them for a precise calculation of the number of people who bought a house because of the old mortgage guarantee, who wouldn’t have been offered a mortgage anyway.

    Clue: It’s a “round” number.

    It’s a really good policy for allowing people who could by anyway to spend a bit more, and then (as you say) nudge up prices and pull the ladder up behind them.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,858

    This is my point. They are rarely if ever good faith actors, they despise the capitalist system, it must be torn down. I bet we all indirectly have 2% of our pension etc invested in these areas.

    One of the XR founder was honest about it at the beginning, that climate change cause was just a vehicle to help them achieve this by tapping into wider public concerns about the environment.

    This is what they are doing here, leveraging fossil fuels and Israel.
    XR are a bunch of risibles.
    Anyone serious about action on climate change should share that opinion.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Well, I've seen a few bits of news today.

    I'm going to make a bold prediction: The Tories are going to struggle to win today's news cycle.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,451

    All you need is membership of the Grand Council of the Illuminati, the Trilateral Commission *and* The Elders of Zion.
    Oh, I am sooooo close on this one
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,858
    TOPPING said:

    OK NEW D-DAY NEWS

    My postie just arrived. Shaved head, tats everywhere you look, including one of those ones with a bulldog holding a union jack or maybe wearing one I didn't look to closely.

    Came over, handed me my post, left.

    Not. A. Word. about Normandy.

    DYOR and bet accordingly.

    He (or she) has clearly got your number.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,192
    Eabhal said:

    Is there a mechanism to force Sunak out? I assume the 1922 does not work because they aren't technically MPs at the moment.

    And he is safe as PM because there isn't a House to draw confidence from.
    I mean he could resign as leader of the Tories, but that would only be making de jure what is de facto already because I don’t think there’s a lot of leading going on.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    ToryJim said:

    Im not sure how he can be much more finished than he is currently.
    Hold his beer for him…
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,825
    ToryJim said:

    Im not sure how he can be much more finished than he is currently.
    Toast is back in the toaster
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    Nigelb said:

    He (or she) has clearly got your number.
    I hope so, or he’d never get his post…
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,940

    That's why we come here. Provincial British exotica. I don't know why Leon's always travelling, we've got everything here.
    War memorial
    Bus station
    Greggs
    Deserted Debenhams shop
    More Greggs
    Van selling burgers or kebabs
    Cashpoints
    Tramp outside cashpoint
    Drunks at prominent doorway begging/menacing
    Old fat people on mobility scooters, so fat the seat disappears in the bottom
    Nightclub that looks old and tacky in the daytime, with blanked-out windows
    Vape shops
    Charity shops
    British Heart Foundation Furniture and Electrical
    Waitrose/Sainsburys/Tescos/Co-op/Morrisons
    Buskers
    Tattoo shops
    Chain Coffee shop (Costa, Starbucks, whatevs)
    Local Coffee shop/cake shop where you can sit down with bacon roll and read book for a bit
    People sitting at tables drinking coffee like it was Paris or something
    Car parks
    Boarded-up shopping centre/road
    Pub advertising football
    Big Issue seller from Eastern Europe
    Opticians
    Nail bars
    Ice-cream shop
  • There’s no mechanism to have another leadership election.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,286

    And what does it achieve. Probably that some of these festivals don't go ahead. Well done Sebastian and Arabella. Top work.
    Two of the big campaigners who got all the literary festivals cancelled are Nish Kumar and Charlotte Church. Which is kinda perfect, two more objectionable twats it is hard to imagine
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,825
    DavidL said:

    Sorry, who are you?
    He is on The List for conviction, followed by involuntary cremation.

    On a coal fire.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited June 2024
    Leon said:

    Two of the big campaigners who got all the literary festivals cancelled are Nish Kumar and Charlotte Church. Which is kinda perfect, two more objectionable twats it is hard to imagine
    Nish Kumar is about the most unfunny comedian there is. Seems unfair to comedians to even label him as that. A bit like Sunak and PM.

    I mean i disagree with Mark Thomas on most thing political but he was bloody funny.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,955
    edited June 2024

    Most people, most of the time, buy the best house that the bank will let them afford. So, in that sense, I think there is an element of demand for housing being almost infinite.

    If you taxed buy-to-let out of existence, and tightened up the mortgage rules to reduce how much people could borrow, then you could engineer a very large drop in house prices, even with no surge in house-building.

    I don't think that would be the approach that would maximise human happiness, or economic utility, however.
    Yes, I think that's fair.

    I also think we should applaud those LAs that have experienced large population increases while keeping average household size steady, or even lower. They've dealt with it while not sacrificing living conditions:

    Tewkesbury
    Central Bedfordshire
    Uttlesford
    Vale of White Horse
    South Norfolk
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,192
    Leon said:

    Two of the big campaigners who got all the literary festivals cancelled are Nish Kumar and Charlotte Church. Which is kinda perfect, two more objectionable twats it is hard to imagine
    Are we sure if either of them can actually read? They don’t strike me as people suffused in literature
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,858
    In other WWII related news, I hadn't realised that one of the earliest triggers for the change in US policy which led to the Marshall plan, was the decision by the Attlee government in Feb 1947 to end support for the Greek government's war against communist insurgents.

    And while the US determined to rebuild the economies of Western Europe, we were still blowing up German shipyards in 1949.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,617

    He is on The List for conviction, followed by involuntary cremation.

    On a coal fire.
    It is now illegal to sell coal in closed sacks (although now I think about it are garages still doing that?) so what all the coal merchants do is cut open the tops of the sacks and proceed as usual.

    Also, in case anyone thought the cost of living/energy crisis wasn't hitting home, a sack of coal which cost £8 pre-Covid today costs around £20 (actually more but that's the only coal that can be bought).
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,126
    edited June 2024

    I don't fancy Penny Mourdant job this evening. It bad enough having 6 others gang up on you in a debate over your record in government, now what does she do about Sunak decision?

    "The Prime Minister has many demands on his time and has to make difficult decisions about how to use it, while it's not the decision I would have made I don't think it remotely compares to Farage's support for Putin. You would have chosen to abandon Europe to the Nazis wouldn't you Nigel, just as you would abandon Ukraine to Putin today."
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 5,173

    This guy explains it well, from a few months ago when Tories floated similar idea.

    99% Mortgages Are A Terrible Idea.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGgA_C7znwY
    I think we all know it's a bloody terrible idea from the socio-economic POV, the Government underwriting a load of sub-prime mortgage debt in order to increase competition for an insufficient supply of property, to the benefit of existing owners. But if you appreciate that the politicians like to pretend they care about the young whilst lavishing all the real benefits on the old, as part of the endless bidding war over the grey vote, then it makes total sense.

    I hope that what we're going to get out of Labour is substantial change, rather than more of the same with a few cosmetic flourishes, but this kind of nonsense doesn't inspire confidence.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,310

    There’s no mechanism to have another leadership election.

    There must a mechanism to at least appoint a new one. What if the leader died during an election campaign, for example?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,868
    boulay said:

    Quite right too. I mean, I know most people who are hammering Sunak woke up early yesterday, faced towards Normandy and saluted at the time of the first landings then spent the day in sorrowful contemplation whilst watching Whoever has replaced Huw Edward’s looking mournful whilst weeping into their tissues.

    I know they refrained from anything frivolous but I think of the words of my grandfather who survived the war, who was bombing Normandy from D-day onwards, to go and enjoy every day and don’t take it all too seriously because you don’t know when it’s over.

    He lost two brothers in the war and would have found the performative outrage seriously embarrassing and possibly offensive in itself because the vast majority of the outrage isn’t because they hold these incredibly deep values and feelings for those who died but because it makes one side look bad and them better.
    I think most people here are hammering Sunak purely for his suicidal stupidity.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,821
    Nigelb said:

    XR are a bunch of risibles.
    Anyone serious about action on climate change should share that opinion.
    At some point, assuming that the science is broadly sound, then combining this with the actual current facts and only possible trajectory of CO2 emissions a particular thing has to change, and it will embarrass a lot of people. It is this:

    There is no route whatsoever out of very substantial global warming as a result of actions past, present and immediate future. None of this is stoppable.

    If the science is correct, the immediate issue is how to plan for and deal with the realities of this fact.


    This has been true for some years, but people cling to the myth that 'we have five (insert similar number) years to save the world by abolishing oil and gas'.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,842

    I wonder if there isn't a long standing respected member who could step up to being on the editorial team? How did TSE get his place?
    Bribery? Blackmail? Befriending OGH at the occasional in-person meetings we used to hold?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,451
    @christopherhope

    LATEST

    Popstar Holly Valance holds crunch last minute talks with Reform UK to stand against Tory chairman Richard Holden in election.
    She must decide by 4pm today.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,444
    Nigelb said:

    In other WWII related news, I hadn't realised that one of the earliest triggers for the change in US policy which led to the Marshall plan, was the decision by the Attlee government in Feb 1947 to end support for the Greek government's war against communist insurgents.

    And while the US determined to rebuild the economies of Western Europe, we were still blowing up German shipyards in 1949.

    In retrospect a policy of German deindustrialisation would have been a visionary approach to tackling climate change.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    I wouldn't be surprised if the media aren't contacting the veterans Sunak did his spoons PR stunt with for their opinion on the story.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,520
    TOPPING said:

    OK NEW D-DAY NEWS

    My postie just arrived. Shaved head, tats everywhere you look, including one of those ones with a bulldog holding a union jack or maybe wearing one I didn't look to closely.

    Came over, handed me my post, left.

    Not. A. Word. about Normandy.

    DYOR and bet accordingly.

    Ah so it's attained the "goes without saying" level of horror. Oh dear, awful for Sunak.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,327
    maaarsh said:

    What does that even look like? Calling him a racist isn't going to fly with the voters they're fighting over.
    But Trump is Farage´s big mate, and about as popular as norovirus with most people in this country, then there is the questionable history with Russia Today, the who paid the Bad Boys of Brexit, and admit it, Nigel you prefer Red wine to Bitter etc etc
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,047
    Scott_xP said:

    @christopherhope

    LATEST

    Popstar Holly Valance holds crunch last minute talks with Reform UK to stand against Tory chairman Richard Holden in election.
    She must decide by 4pm today.

    At least she won’t be able to criticise Sunak for being married to a billionaire. I knew there would be some good news for Rishi today.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,858
    glw said:

    I have to say it will be bloody hilarious if the Tories have one more leadership change before the general election.

    Presumably they can have a new leader while Sunak remains PM, as the two posts don't have to be held by the same person.

    Not sure that anyone would put their name forward, though ? Not the greatest risk/reward proposition.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,858
    RobD said:

    There must a mechanism to at least appoint a new one. What if the leader died during an election campaign, for example?
    That would be a rather drastic option.
    There must be an easier way ?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited June 2024
    There has been a distinct lack of celeb endorsements so far. Maybe this tedious stuff will come shortly. I was fully expecting the likes of Gary Neville to be drowning on at every opportunity to vote Labour.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    ToryJim said:

    Are we sure if either of them can actually read? They don’t strike me as people suffused in literature
    Harsh, but made me LOL I must admit
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,451
    boulay said:

    At least she won’t be able to criticise Sunak for being married to a billionaire. I knew there would be some good news for Rishi today.
    Everybody needs good neighbours

    Sorry; not sorry
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Scott_xP said:

    @christopherhope

    LATEST

    Popstar Holly Valance holds crunch last minute talks with Reform UK to stand against Tory chairman Richard Holden in election.
    She must decide by 4pm today.

    It's Holly v The Wally
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,955
    algarkirk said:

    At some point, assuming that the science is broadly sound, then combining this with the actual current facts and only possible trajectory of CO2 emissions a particular thing has to change, and it will embarrass a lot of people. It is this:

    There is no route whatsoever out of very substantial global warming as a result of actions past, present and immediate future. None of this is stoppable.

    If the science is correct, the immediate issue is how to plan for and deal with the realities of this fact.


    This has been true for some years, but people cling to the myth that 'we have five (insert similar number) years to save the world by abolishing oil and gas'.
    I sympathise with the idea that we need to start planning for the inevitable. The 2030s will be all about getting the UK ready.

    But the nature and scale of the damage escalates very quickly the hotter the world gets. Sure, it's some dodgy modelling and no one knows for sure, but it's as likely it could be even worse than expected than better.

    There are some interesting and rather terrifying tipping points. It's like FPTP, but for the human race.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,444
    Scott_xP said:

    @christopherhope

    LATEST

    Popstar Holly Valance holds crunch last minute talks with Reform UK to stand against Tory chairman Richard Holden in election.
    She must decide by 4pm today.

    This could start a political arms race to recruit Australian soap stars.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited June 2024

    It's Holly v The Wally
    I think more Wally vs Wally.

    She did a long form interview a couple of months ago and it was quite painful.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,451

    This could start a political arms race to recruit Australian soap stars.
    I would vote for Kylie
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,243
    Scott_xP said:

    @christopherhope

    LATEST

    Popstar Holly Valance holds crunch last minute talks with Reform UK to stand against Tory chairman Richard Holden in election.
    She must decide by 4pm today.

    That's not so much Chris Hope as Chris Morris.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,192
    Nigelb said:

    Presumably they can have a new leader while Sunak remains PM, as the two posts don't have to be held by the same person.

    Not sure that anyone would put their name forward, though ? Not the greatest risk/reward proposition.
    They’d have the eternal honour of being an answer to an obscure pub quiz question.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,858
    .

    In retrospect a policy of German deindustrialisation would have been a visionary approach to tackling climate change.
    Well that was the previous policy.

    Since the German populace were at that time subsisting on about 1000 kcal a day, its continuance would have required about 25m of them to disappear, one way or another, within a fairly short space of time.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    Nigelb said:

    He (or she) has clearly got your number.
    I have never met a chatty postman, they seem in too much of a hurry.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,270
    Any last minute surprises/defections on the horizon I wonder? We’ve got under two hours to go. Tick, tick, tick….
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 5,173

    I have never met a chatty postman, they seem in too much of a hurry.
    Might help to explain why ours are so good at delivering to the right house number in the wrong road.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,858
    Eabhal said:

    I sympathise with the idea that we need to start planning for the inevitable. The 2030s will be all about getting the UK ready.

    But the nature and scale of the damage escalates very quickly the hotter the world gets. Sure, it's some dodgy modelling and no one knows for sure, but it's as likely it could be even worse than expected than better.

    There are some interesting and rather terrifying tipping points. It's like FPTP, but for the human race.
    Yes, the implication that we can therefore abandon the transition to renewables is plain wrong.
    We actually need to be accelerating that transition and planning how to adapt to significant climate change.

    Globally, the energy transition should be a net economic plus over time, which is fortunate.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,047

    This could start a political arms race to recruit Australian soap stars.
    The Tories seem to have already succumbed to Nathalie Imbroglio.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,259
    I think this all comes back to the 'Sunak is not good at politics' conclusion.

    He might do okay working in a political think-tank. But being PM is simply way above his pay grade. For that you need a political instinct that he does not possess.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,858

    I have never met a chatty postman, they seem in too much of a hurry.
    You haven't been round long.
    We have one who posts on PB.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,223
    edited June 2024
    On topic (but it will take me a while to get to it):

    Could Political Betting help people become "super-agers"? An article in the May 7th NYT describes the findings from studies in Spain and Chicago of "super-agers", old people who are especially active mentally -- for their age.

    Here, for me, is the most interesting finding: "The behaviors of some of the Chicago super-agers were similarly a surprise. Some exercised regularly, but some never had; some stuck to a Mediterranean diet, others subsisted off TV dinners; and a few of them still smoked cigarettes. However, one consistency among the group was that they tended to have strong social relationships, Dr. Rogalski said." (from an article by Dana G. Smith, titled "Peering Inside the Brains of 'Super-Agers')

    To the extent that PB helps people have "strong social relationships", it will help them age well.

    (And for the application to US politics? Social relationships have broken down in the US over recent decades, weakening families and communities. And that contributes to the widespread unhappiness in this wealthy nation, an unhappiness that is exploited by so many.)
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