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I don't know, there are plenty to choose from. I remember the Gordon Brown one after the whole smear-gate, I take full responsibility so I fired the person responsible and I knew nothing about it even though I sit right by two of the people involved.BatteryCorrectHorse said:https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1799040426764358137
Tense.
Do watch in full
Must be one of the worst statements I have ever seen.3 -
Just the point that it would be rather difficult to ask most of those being commemorated their opinion since they are long gone. Of course their families and their nation live on and so we are being asked instead.DavidL said:
I am particularly busy at the moment but I regret to say that I did not see a single minute of the anniversary commemorations either. No doubt the fault is mine.boulay said:
He didn’t have time for veterans except the one he pushed along in his wheelchair, the ones he met, addressed and quoted and praised at the ceremony he attended.ToryJim said:
That’s not how people will see it. He didn’t have time in his diary for veterans of D Day but could find the time to do a campaign interview. And his excuse that he did the British events but not the non-British one is just staggering. The liberation of Nazi occupied Europe was a joint endeavour, the commemoration of it should be too. Any PM who doesn’t get that instinctively deserves everything he gets.boulay said:
Um, he filmed an interview that wasn’t to be aired during D-day events and so clearly didn’t do any campaigning.rottenborough said:(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
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Rishi Sunak says the issue shouldn’t be politicised and we should focus on the veterans. There was supposed to be a campaign pause for D-Day. He broke it, left the veterans, and came home for a political interview.
https://x.com/DPJHodges?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
The only reason people are aware he did an interview for the campaign is because of people wetting their pants about him missing part of the D-day commemorations. So he respected the campaigning pause - it was others who turned it into part of the campaign.
Now I know I’m one of probably three people on this site who didn’t stop everything yesterday and devote the day to watching D-day, and I apologise for that, but I’m guessing the veterans cared more about the king being there, about actually being there themselves and getting the thanks from the ordinary people.
I can’t imagine any of them knew who was actually attending the main ceremony. So let’s get someone to ask them - after all, it’s about them and their comrades. If they really are offended then Sunak needs to step down, if they say they don’t care, it’s not about politicians then we move on. Fair enough?
I get more than a little tired of those expressing outrage on someone else's behalf, someone they haven't even had the courtesy to ask. It is wearing.
OTOH I find it very difficult to see what Sunak could possibly do that could make him look more Prime Ministerial or like a leader of substance than being there and playing a prominent part. It is politically stupid and inept, as so many of his decisions are. Morally? Bah!
Boulay - What you did his not important. Why? Because you are not the PM, you do not represent the country. Mr Sunak is and he failed - yet again.0 -
Quite right too. I mean, I know most people who are hammering Sunak woke up early yesterday, faced towards Normandy and saluted at the time of the first landings then spent the day in sorrowful contemplation whilst watching Whoever has replaced Huw Edward’s looking mournful whilst weeping into their tissues.JosiasJessop said:
I'm looking forward to the 100th anniversary of D-Day, when politicians will have to kneel down upon the Holy Sands, bare their back and flagellate themselves with the Sacred Barbed Wire Of Omaha. Anyone seen as not showing enough reverence will immediatey be tied to a Czech hedgehog, ready to be claimed by the next tide.boulay said:
He didn’t have time for veterans except the one he pushed along in his wheelchair, the ones he met, addressed and quoted and praised at the ceremony he attended.ToryJim said:
That’s not how people will see it. He didn’t have time in his diary for veterans of D Day but could find the time to do a campaign interview. And his excuse that he did the British events but not the non-British one is just staggering. The liberation of Nazi occupied Europe was a joint endeavour, the commemoration of it should be too. Any PM who doesn’t get that instinctively deserves everything he gets.boulay said:
Um, he filmed an interview that wasn’t to be aired during D-day events and so clearly didn’t do any campaigning.rottenborough said:(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
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Rishi Sunak says the issue shouldn’t be politicised and we should focus on the veterans. There was supposed to be a campaign pause for D-Day. He broke it, left the veterans, and came home for a political interview.
https://x.com/DPJHodges?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
The only reason people are aware he did an interview for the campaign is because of people wetting their pants about him missing part of the D-day commemorations. So he respected the campaigning pause - it was others who turned it into part of the campaign.
Now I know I’m one of probably three people on this site who didn’t stop everything yesterday and devote the day to watching D-day, and I apologise for that, but I’m guessing the veterans cared more about the king being there, about actually being there themselves and getting the thanks from the ordinary people.
I can’t imagine any of them knew who was actually attending the main ceremony. So let’s get someone to ask them - after all, it’s about them and their comrades. If they really are offended then Sunak needs to step down, if they say they don’t care, it’s not about politicians then we move on. Fair enough?
I know they refrained from anything frivolous but I think of the words of my grandfather who survived the war, who was bombing Normandy from D-day onwards, to go and enjoy every day and don’t take it all too seriously because you don’t know when it’s over.
He lost two brothers in the war and would have found the performative outrage seriously embarrassing and possibly offensive in itself because the vast majority of the outrage isn’t because they hold these incredibly deep values and feelings for those who died but because it makes one side look bad and them better.5 -
Extraordinary. Keeping an eye out for your tips from now on.TOPPING said:
"pipe major in the town..."Eabhal said:Ok, the pipe major in the town I grew up in has just completely lost it a series of deeply offensive Facebook posts, all related to D-gate.
CUT THROUGH
This is a betting site so my market: 18-22 stone.1 -
I guess you had a pretty disturbed night, or maybe you hit the horilka a bit hard this morning?Leon said:BartholomewRoberts said:
No, you're not worth it.Leon said:
No. Come get meBenpointer said:
Nah, just accept you erred (we all do) and move on.Leon said:It’s high time PB woke gestapo tried to get me banned again. It’s been at least three days
I'm not surprised at your racism, its not the first and won't be your last.
I see your point but you’re a stupid fat dickless loser in a Barratt home new build in Warrington. So we also have to take that into consideration, surely, as it means you are SO low in the pecking order of life you are desperate for the tiniest scintilla of perceived superiority, moral or intellectual, even when it is clearly bogus, as here
YOU’LL FIND ME AT THE MOZART CAFE
If you want booze that makes you a bit less fighty, I´d suggest nyalivka, but avoid Piana Vyshnya, which is Benylin without the subtle aftertaste.0 -
BatteryCorrectHorse said:
https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1799040426764358137
Tense.
Do watch in full
Must be one of the worst statements I have ever seen.
Warning - if cringe is your kink, put some towels down before you watch.BatteryCorrectHorse said:https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1799040426764358137
Tense.
Do watch in full
Must be one of the worst statements I have ever seen.1 -
Few things have made me angrier recently. It encapsulates everything wrong with 'radical' left-wing activism. Internally incoherent and incredibly stupid, hectoring, destroying the very things claim to value because others aren't allowed to enjoy them without paying the Danegeld, bullying, full undeserved self-righteousness, and then throw in a non-sequitur about Israel because why not? That's what's cool to shout about these days.Leon said:The state of this
“Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”
https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL1 -
@DPJHodges
I didn’t believe reports Sunak and his team contemplated not attending the events at all. Having watched his interview again, and spoken to a couple of people, I’m not sure now. His explanation doesn’t add up.0 -
Its so unfathomable on so many levels. Morally, personally, politically. It isn't like he was tasked with opening a local spoons and nicked off early as what is there to gain from having to listen to the local Nigel Farage tell you all about the world's problems.biggles said:
That’s the bit I just don’t understand. Flip this around. If you were running an election campaign and were offered free prime time tv time that didn’t “score” for electoral balance reasons, photo ops with world leaders, including Zelensky, and universally loved D-Day veterans; you’d jump at the chance.DavidL said:
I am particularly busy at the moment but I regret to say that I did not see a single minute of the anniversary commemorations either. No doubt the fault is mine.boulay said:
He didn’t have time for veterans except the one he pushed along in his wheelchair, the ones he met, addressed and quoted and praised at the ceremony he attended.ToryJim said:
That’s not how people will see it. He didn’t have time in his diary for veterans of D Day but could find the time to do a campaign interview. And his excuse that he did the British events but not the non-British one is just staggering. The liberation of Nazi occupied Europe was a joint endeavour, the commemoration of it should be too. Any PM who doesn’t get that instinctively deserves everything he gets.boulay said:
Um, he filmed an interview that wasn’t to be aired during D-day events and so clearly didn’t do any campaigning.rottenborough said:(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
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Rishi Sunak says the issue shouldn’t be politicised and we should focus on the veterans. There was supposed to be a campaign pause for D-Day. He broke it, left the veterans, and came home for a political interview.
https://x.com/DPJHodges?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
The only reason people are aware he did an interview for the campaign is because of people wetting their pants about him missing part of the D-day commemorations. So he respected the campaigning pause - it was others who turned it into part of the campaign.
Now I know I’m one of probably three people on this site who didn’t stop everything yesterday and devote the day to watching D-day, and I apologise for that, but I’m guessing the veterans cared more about the king being there, about actually being there themselves and getting the thanks from the ordinary people.
I can’t imagine any of them knew who was actually attending the main ceremony. So let’s get someone to ask them - after all, it’s about them and their comrades. If they really are offended then Sunak needs to step down, if they say they don’t care, it’s not about politicians then we move on. Fair enough?
I get more than a little tired of those expressing outrage on someone else's behalf, someone they haven't even had the courtesy to ask. It is wearing.
OTOH I find it very difficult to see what Sunak could possibly do that could make him look more Prime Ministerial or like a leader of substance than being there and playing a prominent part. It is politically stupid and inept, as so many of his decisions are. Morally? Bah!
Him tuning it down shows incompetence and idiocy. It’s the exact opposite of taking the politically motivated choice some are accusing him of. It’s just stupid.1 -
Um nope - it's because it's the polite thing to do - everyone attended the UK ceremony so in return you turn up to the US ceremony.boulay said:
Quite right too. I mean, I know most people who are hammering Sunak woke up early yesterday, faced towards Normandy and saluted at the time of the first landings then spent the day in sorrowful contemplation whilst watching Whoever has replaced Huw Edward’s looking mournful whilst weeping into their tissues.JosiasJessop said:
I'm looking forward to the 100th anniversary of D-Day, when politicians will have to kneel down upon the Holy Sands, bare their back and flagellate themselves with the Sacred Barbed Wire Of Omaha. Anyone seen as not showing enough reverence will immediatey be tied to a Czech hedgehog, ready to be claimed by the next tide.boulay said:
He didn’t have time for veterans except the one he pushed along in his wheelchair, the ones he met, addressed and quoted and praised at the ceremony he attended.ToryJim said:
That’s not how people will see it. He didn’t have time in his diary for veterans of D Day but could find the time to do a campaign interview. And his excuse that he did the British events but not the non-British one is just staggering. The liberation of Nazi occupied Europe was a joint endeavour, the commemoration of it should be too. Any PM who doesn’t get that instinctively deserves everything he gets.boulay said:
Um, he filmed an interview that wasn’t to be aired during D-day events and so clearly didn’t do any campaigning.rottenborough said:(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
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12m
Rishi Sunak says the issue shouldn’t be politicised and we should focus on the veterans. There was supposed to be a campaign pause for D-Day. He broke it, left the veterans, and came home for a political interview.
https://x.com/DPJHodges?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
The only reason people are aware he did an interview for the campaign is because of people wetting their pants about him missing part of the D-day commemorations. So he respected the campaigning pause - it was others who turned it into part of the campaign.
Now I know I’m one of probably three people on this site who didn’t stop everything yesterday and devote the day to watching D-day, and I apologise for that, but I’m guessing the veterans cared more about the king being there, about actually being there themselves and getting the thanks from the ordinary people.
I can’t imagine any of them knew who was actually attending the main ceremony. So let’s get someone to ask them - after all, it’s about them and their comrades. If they really are offended then Sunak needs to step down, if they say they don’t care, it’s not about politicians then we move on. Fair enough?
I know they refrained from anything frivolous but I think of the words of my grandfather who survived the war, who was bombing Normandy from D-day onwards, to go and enjoy every day and don’t take it all too seriously because you don’t know when it’s over.
He lost two brothers in the war and would have found the performative outrage seriously embarrassing and possibly offensive in itself because the vast majority of the outrage isn’t because they hold these incredibly deep values and feelings for those who died but because it makes one side look bad and them better.0 -
It’s why SOME of us - the, how shall I say, more “perceptive” - opposed Woke from the start. Because this is obviously where it ends. Everything must be pure! Untainted! Woke! But that destroys everything because mankind is made of crooked timber; purity is an illusion even if it if desirable (which I gravely doubt)FrancisUrquhart said:
Never give in to these people. You give an inch and before you know it everything is cancelled / problematic.Leon said:The state of this
“Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”
https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL2 -
He has, somehow, defying all expectations, made it worse.0
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NEW: The Lib Dems are calling on Rishi Sunak to donate their £5 million Frank Hester donation to a veterans' charity4 -
And what does it achieve. Probably that some of these festivals don't go ahead. Well done Sebastian and Arabella. Top work.MJW said:
Few things have made me angrier recently. It encapsulates everything wrong with 'radical' left-wing activism. Internally incoherent and incredibly stupid, hectoring, destroying the very things claim to value because others aren't allowed to enjoy them without paying the Danegeld, bullying, full undeserved self-righteousness, and then throw in a non-sequitur about Israel because why not? That's what's cool to shout about these days.Leon said:The state of this
“Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”
https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL0 -
For those feeling no mercy for certain knobheads I recommend the latest from Ian Dunt (which you can read for free).
https://iandunt.substack.com/p/d-day-for-sunak0 -
You can have my "Cons would be mad not to wait until Jan 2025" ones for nothing.Eabhal said:
Extraordinary. Keeping an eye out for your tips from now on.TOPPING said:
"pipe major in the town..."Eabhal said:Ok, the pipe major in the town I grew up in has just completely lost it a series of deeply offensive Facebook posts, all related to D-gate.
CUT THROUGH
This is a betting site so my market: 18-22 stone.
I mean deadly accurate as an assessment of the Cons' state of mind but dreadful as a betting tip.0 -
If they have lied about this, he will absolutely 100% be finished.Scott_xP said:@DPJHodges
I didn’t believe reports Sunak and his team contemplated not attending the events at all. Having watched his interview again, and spoken to a couple of people, I’m not sure now. His explanation doesn’t add up.1 -
I mean that last paragraph is just inaccurate. They didn’t.eek said:
Um nope - it's because it's the polite thing to do - everyone attended the UK ceremony so in return you turn up to the US ceremony.boulay said:
Quite right too. I mean, I know most people who are hammering Sunak woke up early yesterday, faced towards Normandy and saluted at the time of the first landings then spent the day in sorrowful contemplation whilst watching Whoever has replaced Huw Edward’s looking mournful whilst weeping into their tissues.JosiasJessop said:
I'm looking forward to the 100th anniversary of D-Day, when politicians will have to kneel down upon the Holy Sands, bare their back and flagellate themselves with the Sacred Barbed Wire Of Omaha. Anyone seen as not showing enough reverence will immediatey be tied to a Czech hedgehog, ready to be claimed by the next tide.boulay said:
He didn’t have time for veterans except the one he pushed along in his wheelchair, the ones he met, addressed and quoted and praised at the ceremony he attended.ToryJim said:
That’s not how people will see it. He didn’t have time in his diary for veterans of D Day but could find the time to do a campaign interview. And his excuse that he did the British events but not the non-British one is just staggering. The liberation of Nazi occupied Europe was a joint endeavour, the commemoration of it should be too. Any PM who doesn’t get that instinctively deserves everything he gets.boulay said:
Um, he filmed an interview that wasn’t to be aired during D-day events and so clearly didn’t do any campaigning.rottenborough said:(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
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12m
Rishi Sunak says the issue shouldn’t be politicised and we should focus on the veterans. There was supposed to be a campaign pause for D-Day. He broke it, left the veterans, and came home for a political interview.
https://x.com/DPJHodges?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
The only reason people are aware he did an interview for the campaign is because of people wetting their pants about him missing part of the D-day commemorations. So he respected the campaigning pause - it was others who turned it into part of the campaign.
Now I know I’m one of probably three people on this site who didn’t stop everything yesterday and devote the day to watching D-day, and I apologise for that, but I’m guessing the veterans cared more about the king being there, about actually being there themselves and getting the thanks from the ordinary people.
I can’t imagine any of them knew who was actually attending the main ceremony. So let’s get someone to ask them - after all, it’s about them and their comrades. If they really are offended then Sunak needs to step down, if they say they don’t care, it’s not about politicians then we move on. Fair enough?
I know they refrained from anything frivolous but I think of the words of my grandfather who survived the war, who was bombing Normandy from D-day onwards, to go and enjoy every day and don’t take it all too seriously because you don’t know when it’s over.
He lost two brothers in the war and would have found the performative outrage seriously embarrassing and possibly offensive in itself because the vast majority of the outrage isn’t because they hold these incredibly deep values and feelings for those who died but because it makes one side look bad and them better.
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Go in studs up on Farage.FrancisUrquhart said:I don't fancy Penny Mourdant job this evening. It bad enough having 6 others gang up on you in a debate over your record in government, now what does she do about Sunak decision?
And let the PM speak for himself.0 -
I think people who want to oppose "Woke", need to stop calling it Woke. Inside keep referring to intersectionality, because this is where the really mental purity stuff come from.Leon said:
It’s why SOME of us - the, how shall I say, more “perceptive” - opposed Woke from the start. Because this is obviously where it ends. Everything must be pure! Untainted! Woke! But that destroys everything because mankind is made of crooked timber; purity is an illusion even if it if desirable (which I gravely doubt)FrancisUrquhart said:
Never give in to these people. You give an inch and before you know it everything is cancelled / problematic.Leon said:The state of this
“Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”
https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL
The belief Inequality is due to oppression, unless the capitalist system is broken, there will always be inequality, therefore oppression hierarchy and therefore the system must be torn down.
Like the eco-fascists. You aren't negotiating with good faith actors.1 -
“I know we’ve had a lot of leaders since Boris folks, but this time we’ve picked a winner. Honest. Vote for them and we promise they will do the job until at least Christmas”.FrancisUrquhart said:
If they have lied about this, he will absolutely 100% be finished.Scott_xP said:@DPJHodges
I didn’t believe reports Sunak and his team contemplated not attending the events at all. Having watched his interview again, and spoken to a couple of people, I’m not sure now. His explanation doesn’t add up.
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I wonder if there isn't a long standing respected member who could step up to being on the editorial team? How did TSE get his place?DecrepiterJohnL said:
The depleted editorial team should use OGH's old tricks of starting a thread every time he saw a tweet about a new opinion poll, and when he didn't, regularly starting generic Nighthawks threads. We do not need the editors to spend the whole day crafting thousand-word headers.Cookie said:
In fairness to the editors, OGH has stepped down, TSE is off sick and Robert lives in another timezone. It's not surprising if we have to talk amongst ourselves for a little longer than usual.MoonRabbit said:
But the big long threads seem to be working well for discussion though? In relation to days with lots of threads to jump across to, that can be discussion(s) killer, this feels okay?Peter_the_Punter said:Anyoneknow what the record number of posts in a thread is?
Are we making an attempt on the record?
But editors also need to be mindful lots of lurkers come for the quality and independent thoughts in the headers, i suspect.
A focus on quality not quantity of headers, and longer threads for discussion seems good balance to me.0 -
It goes beyond stupid. It's stark raving bonkers. And to leave the LOTO to hold the field and representing the UK, I mean why doesn't he accept that he is for all practical purposes, no longer our PM and the chalice has already passed?biggles said:
That’s the bit I just don’t understand. Flip this around. If you were running an election campaign and were offered free prime time tv time that didn’t “score” for electoral balance reasons, photo ops with world leaders, including Zelensky, and universally loved D-Day veterans; you’d jump at the chance.DavidL said:
I am particularly busy at the moment but I regret to say that I did not see a single minute of the anniversary commemorations either. No doubt the fault is mine.boulay said:
He didn’t have time for veterans except the one he pushed along in his wheelchair, the ones he met, addressed and quoted and praised at the ceremony he attended.ToryJim said:
That’s not how people will see it. He didn’t have time in his diary for veterans of D Day but could find the time to do a campaign interview. And his excuse that he did the British events but not the non-British one is just staggering. The liberation of Nazi occupied Europe was a joint endeavour, the commemoration of it should be too. Any PM who doesn’t get that instinctively deserves everything he gets.boulay said:
Um, he filmed an interview that wasn’t to be aired during D-day events and so clearly didn’t do any campaigning.rottenborough said:(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
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12m
Rishi Sunak says the issue shouldn’t be politicised and we should focus on the veterans. There was supposed to be a campaign pause for D-Day. He broke it, left the veterans, and came home for a political interview.
https://x.com/DPJHodges?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
The only reason people are aware he did an interview for the campaign is because of people wetting their pants about him missing part of the D-day commemorations. So he respected the campaigning pause - it was others who turned it into part of the campaign.
Now I know I’m one of probably three people on this site who didn’t stop everything yesterday and devote the day to watching D-day, and I apologise for that, but I’m guessing the veterans cared more about the king being there, about actually being there themselves and getting the thanks from the ordinary people.
I can’t imagine any of them knew who was actually attending the main ceremony. So let’s get someone to ask them - after all, it’s about them and their comrades. If they really are offended then Sunak needs to step down, if they say they don’t care, it’s not about politicians then we move on. Fair enough?
I get more than a little tired of those expressing outrage on someone else's behalf, someone they haven't even had the courtesy to ask. It is wearing.
OTOH I find it very difficult to see what Sunak could possibly do that could make him look more Prime Ministerial or like a leader of substance than being there and playing a prominent part. It is politically stupid and inept, as so many of his decisions are. Morally? Bah!
Him turning it down shows incompetence and idiocy. It’s the exact opposite of taking the politically motivated choice some are accusing him of. It’s just stupid.
Sunak had almost nothing going for him in the campaign. The one "almost" was incumbency and he has thrown the advantages that brings away. It's right up there with Jeremy Thorpe thinking, see that Norman Scott, he's a bit of a nuisance, maybe I should murder him.3 -
Actually, joking aside, the only person who could parachute in now, take over, and minimise the defeat is Boris. He could brazen it out.biggles said:
“I know we’ve had a lot of leaders since Boris folks, but this time we’ve picked a winner. Honest. Vote for them and we promise they will do the job until at least Christmas”.FrancisUrquhart said:
If they have lied about this, he will absolutely 100% be finished.Scott_xP said:@DPJHodges
I didn’t believe reports Sunak and his team contemplated not attending the events at all. Having watched his interview again, and spoken to a couple of people, I’m not sure now. His explanation doesn’t add up.0 -
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The Labour Party was very, very lucky that it got found out before RedRag went live.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't know, there are plenty to choose from. I remember the Gordon Brown one after the whole smear-gate, I take full responsibility so I fired the person responsible and I knew nothing about it even though I sit right by two of the people involved.BatteryCorrectHorse said:https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1799040426764358137
Tense.
Do watch in full
Must be one of the worst statements I have ever seen.2 -
Well somehow SKS's "Sunak is a liar" point has been proven right in a matter of days. What seemed a poor comeback now looks once again like strategic genius.
Rishi Sunak, the greatest Labour candidate in history.2 -
Yes. he has to go so we don't have to. If a new PM wants to know what that is like, every day for years, he could ask the king. Most of us don't want the job, and that is one of the reasons.DavidL said:
I am particularly busy at the moment but I regret to say that I did not see a single minute of the anniversary commemorations either. No doubt the fault is mine.boulay said:
He didn’t have time for veterans except the one he pushed along in his wheelchair, the ones he met, addressed and quoted and praised at the ceremony he attended.ToryJim said:
That’s not how people will see it. He didn’t have time in his diary for veterans of D Day but could find the time to do a campaign interview. And his excuse that he did the British events but not the non-British one is just staggering. The liberation of Nazi occupied Europe was a joint endeavour, the commemoration of it should be too. Any PM who doesn’t get that instinctively deserves everything he gets.boulay said:
Um, he filmed an interview that wasn’t to be aired during D-day events and so clearly didn’t do any campaigning.rottenborough said:(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
·
12m
Rishi Sunak says the issue shouldn’t be politicised and we should focus on the veterans. There was supposed to be a campaign pause for D-Day. He broke it, left the veterans, and came home for a political interview.
https://x.com/DPJHodges?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
The only reason people are aware he did an interview for the campaign is because of people wetting their pants about him missing part of the D-day commemorations. So he respected the campaigning pause - it was others who turned it into part of the campaign.
Now I know I’m one of probably three people on this site who didn’t stop everything yesterday and devote the day to watching D-day, and I apologise for that, but I’m guessing the veterans cared more about the king being there, about actually being there themselves and getting the thanks from the ordinary people.
I can’t imagine any of them knew who was actually attending the main ceremony. So let’s get someone to ask them - after all, it’s about them and their comrades. If they really are offended then Sunak needs to step down, if they say they don’t care, it’s not about politicians then we move on. Fair enough?
I get more than a little tired of those expressing outrage on someone else's behalf, someone they haven't even had the courtesy to ask. It is wearing.
OTOH I find it very difficult to see what Sunak could possibly do that could make him look more Prime Ministerial or like a leader of substance than being there and playing a prominent part. It is politically stupid and inept, as so many of his decisions are. Morally? Bah!
And I did't watch a single second of the D-Day stuff, and that bears no relation to whether I care. I shall be in the back row somewhere on the second Sunday in November wearing my poppy, remember the 6 years of my dad's life from 1939-1945 and go home.1 -
What does that even look like? Calling him a racist isn't going to fly with the voters they're fighting over.Nigelb said:
Go in studs up on Farage.FrancisUrquhart said:I don't fancy Penny Mourdant job this evening. It bad enough having 6 others gang up on you in a debate over your record in government, now what does she do about Sunak decision?
And let the PM speak for himself.0 -
Not a Carry On fan, then.Leon said:
It’s 3pm in Odessa darling. EVERYONE goes to “the Mozart” at 3sarissa said:
At 10 o'clock?Leon said:BartholomewRoberts said:
No, you're not worth it.Leon said:
No. Come get meBenpointer said:
Nah, just accept you erred (we all do) and move on.Leon said:It’s high time PB woke gestapo tried to get me banned again. It’s been at least three days
I'm not surprised at your racism, its not the first and won't be your last.
I see your point but you’re a stupid fat dickless loser in a Barratt home new build in Warrington. So we also have to take that into consideration, surely, as it means you are SO low in the pecking order of life you are desperate for the tiniest scintilla of perceived superiority, moral or intellectual, even when it is clearly bogus, as here
YOU’LL FIND ME AT THE MOZART CAFE
Don’t you know ANYTHING?
*essays disdainful pout*0 -
He is on holiday....keeping himself 1000s of miles away from this.biggles said:
Actually, joking aside, the only person who could parachute in now, take over, and minimise the defeat is Boris. He could brazen it out.biggles said:
“I know we’ve had a lot of leaders since Boris folks, but this time we’ve picked a winner. Honest. Vote for them and we promise they will do the job until at least Christmas”.FrancisUrquhart said:
If they have lied about this, he will absolutely 100% be finished.Scott_xP said:@DPJHodges
I didn’t believe reports Sunak and his team contemplated not attending the events at all. Having watched his interview again, and spoken to a couple of people, I’m not sure now. His explanation doesn’t add up.1 -
How Kevin Maguire managed to carry on in the media like nothing happened is beyond me.Malmesbury said:a
The Labour Party was very, very lucky that it got found out before RedRag went live.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't know, there are plenty to choose from. I remember the Gordon Brown one after the whole smear-gate, I take full responsibility so I fired the person responsible and I knew nothing about it even though I sit right by two of the people involved.BatteryCorrectHorse said:https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1799040426764358137
Tense.
Do watch in full
Must be one of the worst statements I have ever seen.0 -
If he had done this outside of an election, you have to guess he’d have been no-confidenced.DavidL said:
It goes beyond stupid. It's stark raving bonkers. And to leave the LOTO to hold the field and representing the UK, I mean why doesn't he accept that he is for all practical purposes, no longer our PM and the chalice has already passed?biggles said:
That’s the bit I just don’t understand. Flip this around. If you were running an election campaign and were offered free prime time tv time that didn’t “score” for electoral balance reasons, photo ops with world leaders, including Zelensky, and universally loved D-Day veterans; you’d jump at the chance.DavidL said:
I am particularly busy at the moment but I regret to say that I did not see a single minute of the anniversary commemorations either. No doubt the fault is mine.boulay said:
He didn’t have time for veterans except the one he pushed along in his wheelchair, the ones he met, addressed and quoted and praised at the ceremony he attended.ToryJim said:
That’s not how people will see it. He didn’t have time in his diary for veterans of D Day but could find the time to do a campaign interview. And his excuse that he did the British events but not the non-British one is just staggering. The liberation of Nazi occupied Europe was a joint endeavour, the commemoration of it should be too. Any PM who doesn’t get that instinctively deserves everything he gets.boulay said:
Um, he filmed an interview that wasn’t to be aired during D-day events and so clearly didn’t do any campaigning.rottenborough said:(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
·
12m
Rishi Sunak says the issue shouldn’t be politicised and we should focus on the veterans. There was supposed to be a campaign pause for D-Day. He broke it, left the veterans, and came home for a political interview.
https://x.com/DPJHodges?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
The only reason people are aware he did an interview for the campaign is because of people wetting their pants about him missing part of the D-day commemorations. So he respected the campaigning pause - it was others who turned it into part of the campaign.
Now I know I’m one of probably three people on this site who didn’t stop everything yesterday and devote the day to watching D-day, and I apologise for that, but I’m guessing the veterans cared more about the king being there, about actually being there themselves and getting the thanks from the ordinary people.
I can’t imagine any of them knew who was actually attending the main ceremony. So let’s get someone to ask them - after all, it’s about them and their comrades. If they really are offended then Sunak needs to step down, if they say they don’t care, it’s not about politicians then we move on. Fair enough?
I get more than a little tired of those expressing outrage on someone else's behalf, someone they haven't even had the courtesy to ask. It is wearing.
OTOH I find it very difficult to see what Sunak could possibly do that could make him look more Prime Ministerial or like a leader of substance than being there and playing a prominent part. It is politically stupid and inept, as so many of his decisions are. Morally? Bah!
Him turning it down shows incompetence and idiocy. It’s the exact opposite of taking the politically motivated choice some are accusing him of. It’s just stupid.
Sunak had almost nothing going for him in the campaign. The one "almost" was incumbency and he has thrown the advantages that brings away. It's right up there with Jeremy Thorpe thinking, see that Norman Scott, he's a bit of a nuisance, maybe I should murder him.
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The activists are basically objecting to BG being an investment company.FrancisUrquhart said:
Never give in to these people. You give an inch and before you know it everything is cancelled / problematic.Leon said:The state of this
“Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”
https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL
...“The assertion that we have significant amounts of money in the occupied Palestinian territories is offensively misleading. Baillie Gifford is a large investor in several multinational technology companies, including Amazon, Nvidia and Meta. Demanding divestment from these global companies, used by millions of people around the world, is unreasonable and serves no purpose. Much as it would be unreasonable to demand authors boycott Instagram or stop selling books on Amazon.”
Baillie Gifford was also not a “significant fossil fuel investor”, Thomas said. “Only 2% of our clients’ money is invested in companies with some business related to fossil fuels. We invest far more in companies helping drive the transition to clean energy.”..2 -
All you need is membership of the Grand Council of the Illuminati, the Trilateral Commission *and* The Elders of Zion.TheValiant said:
I wonder if there isn't a long standing respected member who could step up to being on the editorial team? How did TSE get his place?DecrepiterJohnL said:
The depleted editorial team should use OGH's old tricks of starting a thread every time he saw a tweet about a new opinion poll, and when he didn't, regularly starting generic Nighthawks threads. We do not need the editors to spend the whole day crafting thousand-word headers.Cookie said:
In fairness to the editors, OGH has stepped down, TSE is off sick and Robert lives in another timezone. It's not surprising if we have to talk amongst ourselves for a little longer than usual.MoonRabbit said:
But the big long threads seem to be working well for discussion though? In relation to days with lots of threads to jump across to, that can be discussion(s) killer, this feels okay?Peter_the_Punter said:Anyoneknow what the record number of posts in a thread is?
Are we making an attempt on the record?
But editors also need to be mindful lots of lurkers come for the quality and independent thoughts in the headers, i suspect.
A focus on quality not quantity of headers, and longer threads for discussion seems good balance to me.0 -
This is my point. They are rarely if ever good faith actors, they despise the capitalist system, it must be torn down. I bet we all indirectly have 2% of our pension etc invested in these areas.Nigelb said:
The activists are basically objecting to BF being an investment company.FrancisUrquhart said:
Never give in to these people. You give an inch and before you know it everything is cancelled / problematic.Leon said:The state of this
“Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”
https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL
...“The assertion that we have significant amounts of money in the occupied Palestinian territories is offensively misleading. Baillie Gifford is a large investor in several multinational technology companies, including Amazon, Nvidia and Meta. Demanding divestment from these global companies, used by millions of people around the world, is unreasonable and serves no purpose. Much as it would be unreasonable to demand authors boycott Instagram or stop selling books on Amazon.”
Baillie Gifford was also not a “significant fossil fuel investor”, Thomas said. “Only 2% of our clients’ money is invested in companies with some business related to fossil fuels. We invest far more in companies helping drive the transition to clean energy.”..
One of the XR founder was honest about it at the beginning, that climate change cause was just a vehicle to help them achieve this by tapping into wider public concerns about the environment.
This is what they are doing here, leveraging fossil fuels and Israel.2 -
OK NEW D-DAY NEWS
My postie just arrived. Shaved head, tats everywhere you look, including one of those ones with a bulldog holding a union jack or maybe wearing one I didn't look to closely.
Came over, handed me my post, left.
Not. A. Word. about Normandy.
DYOR and bet accordingly.4 -
Is there a mechanism to force Sunak out? I assume the 1922 does not work because they aren't technically MPs at the moment.FrancisUrquhart said:
If they have lied about this, he will absolutely 100% be finished.Scott_xP said:@DPJHodges
I didn’t believe reports Sunak and his team contemplated not attending the events at all. Having watched his interview again, and spoken to a couple of people, I’m not sure now. His explanation doesn’t add up.
And he is safe as PM because there isn't a House to draw confidence from.0 -
I have a coal fire. Am I….. cancelled?FrancisUrquhart said:
This is my point. They are rarely if ever good faith actors, they despise the capitalist system, it must be torn down. One of the XR founder was honest about it at the beginning, that climate change cause was just a vehicle to help them achieve this by tapping into wider public concerns about the environment.Nigelb said:
The activists are basically objecting to BF being an investment company.FrancisUrquhart said:
Never give in to these people. You give an inch and before you know it everything is cancelled / problematic.Leon said:The state of this
“Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”
https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL
...“The assertion that we have significant amounts of money in the occupied Palestinian territories is offensively misleading. Baillie Gifford is a large investor in several multinational technology companies, including Amazon, Nvidia and Meta. Demanding divestment from these global companies, used by millions of people around the world, is unreasonable and serves no purpose. Much as it would be unreasonable to demand authors boycott Instagram or stop selling books on Amazon.”
Baillie Gifford was also not a “significant fossil fuel investor”, Thomas said. “Only 2% of our clients’ money is invested in companies with some business related to fossil fuels. We invest far more in companies helping drive the transition to clean energy.”..
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Could add the £4m the LibDems took from Michael Brown and really help those veterans.Scott_xP said:@ShehabKhan
NEW: The Lib Dems are calling on Rishi Sunak to donate their £5 million Frank Hester donation to a veterans' charity1 -
I am just home from work and errands in town. What has Sunak done now?
In other news, I hear that Labour has, if I understand the details correctly, promised to revive the Help to Buy scheme (slightly different name this time, but same DNA) and make it permanent. If anyone ever doubted that one of the principle functions of the British state is to ensure ever-rising house prices, there's your proof.2 -
Sorry, who are you?biggles said:
I have a coal fire. Am I….. cancelled?FrancisUrquhart said:
This is my point. They are rarely if ever good faith actors, they despise the capitalist system, it must be torn down. One of the XR founder was honest about it at the beginning, that climate change cause was just a vehicle to help them achieve this by tapping into wider public concerns about the environment.Nigelb said:
The activists are basically objecting to BF being an investment company.FrancisUrquhart said:
Never give in to these people. You give an inch and before you know it everything is cancelled / problematic.Leon said:The state of this
“Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”
https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL
...“The assertion that we have significant amounts of money in the occupied Palestinian territories is offensively misleading. Baillie Gifford is a large investor in several multinational technology companies, including Amazon, Nvidia and Meta. Demanding divestment from these global companies, used by millions of people around the world, is unreasonable and serves no purpose. Much as it would be unreasonable to demand authors boycott Instagram or stop selling books on Amazon.”
Baillie Gifford was also not a “significant fossil fuel investor”, Thomas said. “Only 2% of our clients’ money is invested in companies with some business related to fossil fuels. We invest far more in companies helping drive the transition to clean energy.”..1 -
Left - clear indication he is Labour, right?TOPPING said:OK NEW D-DAY NEWS
My postie just arrived. Shaved head, tats everywhere you look, including one of those ones with a bulldog holding a union jack or maybe wearing one I didn't look to closely.
Came over, handed me my post, left.
Not. A. Word. about Normandy.
DYOR and bet accordingly.1 -
I have to say it will be bloody hilarious if the Tories have one more leadership change before the general election.1
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This guy explains it well, from a few months ago when Tories floated similar idea. There is no free lunch on this.pigeon said:I am just home from work and errands in town. What has Sunak done now?
In other news, I hear that Labour has, if I understand the details correctly, promised to revive the Help to Buy scheme (slightly different name this time, but same DNA) and make it permanent. If anyone ever doubted that one of the principle functions of the British state is to ensure ever-rising house prices, there's your proof.
99% Mortgages Are A Terrible Idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGgA_C7znwY
And the ticking timebomb is already there...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/08/12/help-buy-scheme-first-time-buyers-downsize/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/first-time-buyers-forced-sell-up-unaffordable-help-to-buy/
A lot of Labour flagship policies appear to be just reheated with a new name. Freedom to Buy, the national wealth scheme is PFI, ASBOS are coming back with a different name.0 -
Most people, most of the time, buy the best house that the bank will let them afford. So, in that sense, I think there is an element of demand for housing being almost infinite.Eabhal said:
In South Tyneside, the population fell while the number of households increased very slightly.Taz said:
Sure. But what is the point of more housebuilding in areas like South Shields where the population actually contracted in between the censuses.Eabhal said:
That has always been the point I wanted to make.Taz said:
I have posted the infographic on this before too, once directly in reply to Bart.Eabhal said:
I provided you with some examples aboveBartholomewRoberts said:
Absolutely.eek said:
Don't believe you - please provide evidence because even this week I saw issues in 3 local authorities round here..Eabhal said:
In most LAs, housing pressure is actually falling. It's only in about 100 where you see this acute problem, and they are mostly in our cities.BartholomewRoberts said:
The number of people per household should have fallen as we have 4 million extra over 50s than we did. Who don't live with children.🤦♂️Eabhal said:
The number of people per household has fallen, and overcrowding has fallen too.BartholomewRoberts said:
Why are you lying?Eabhal said:
8.2% increase in homesBartholomewRoberts said:
This glut is all in your head.Eabhal said:
The number of new homes has increased faster than the population, by a wide margin. It's actually a glut.BartholomewRoberts said:
That's been caused by the terrible shortage of new homes, meaning prices are far too high. Which is fundamental supply and demand in action.Eabhal said:
There he blows!BartholomewRoberts said:
That shows a gross ignorance of economics and follows your typical lame excuse-making for NIMBYism.Eabhal said:
40% of right to buy homes are now rented out privately.Cicero said:
What percentage of council houses sold are still in the hands of owner occupiers, as opposed to private rental companies?FrancisUrquhart said:Help to Buy is to getting a rebrand as Freedom to Buy...
https://news.sky.com/story/labour-to-offer-freedom-to-buy-for-young-people-with-mortgage-guarantee-scheme-13148889
Permanent very low deposits guaranteed by government has other negatives above the risk of bad loans.
PB likes to ignore the vast shifts in housing tenure in the last 14 years, but ultimately it's the reason why the country has become more unequal and why the number of natural Conservative voters has fallen. There is no evidence that a mass private housebuilding programme would reverse the trend and increase ownership - all the new homes will simply be hoovered up by those who have accumulated large savings.
The reason for the vast shifts in housing tenure is the lack of building supply. If supply increases that will be reversed.
And of course in a healthy free housing economy typically 10% of homes are unoccupied [for very good reasons] which means homes in poor condition or are too expensive don't get let out and the owner is left paying their bills/mortgage and taxes without a tenant paying them any rent.
So why would those with savings snap up all homes if supply is increased and they can't let them out? It means price falls and people who want to buy to own have a choice, as well as tenants having a choice, on where to live.
New homes: 2.0 million
Increase in households renting: 1.1 million
Increase in households owning outright: 0.9 million
Decrease in households with a mortgage: -0.4 million
It would have certainly been worse without any new homes. But the idea that an increase in supply is the only intervention required is nonsense - wealth inequality is now far too great in the UK for that to suffice.
An increase in supply may not be the only intervention required, I never said it is, but it is absolutely 100% needed and would help to reverse the damage that has been done.
Of course if supply increases and prices fall in real terms, then that would lower that inequality you mentioned too.
The problem is that there are significant mismatches with where those houses are being built and where there is housing pressure. At risk of pissing off lots of PBers, here is my official assessment of LAs (bespoke assessments can be provided on request):
YIMBY Gold award:
Selby
Huntingdonshire
Mid Suffolk
Telford and Wrekin
West Lindsey
NIMBY Black Spot of Barty Doom
Pendle
Thurrock
Swale
Epping Forest
Peterborough
Urban Excellence award: Southwark
Rural Excellence award: West Devon, Cotswolds, Uttlesford
Leon award: Camden, Westminster, Kensington and Chelsea (fewer houses, population falling)
Trooper award: Tower Hamlets, Bedford, Tewkesbury (massive effort, but simply can’t keep up)
Breeze block award: Barking and Dagenham, Slough, Leicester (massive population growth, no attempt to deal with it)
Barty award: Copeland, Richmondshire, Caerphilly, Allerdale (population falling but f*** it more houses anyway)
The number of new homes has nowhere near kept up with demand.
Again you show a shocking ignorance of the effects of demographics on housing requirements, talking again only of "population". 🤦♂️
6.1% increase in households
6.3% increase in population
Your households figure is a lie. You know this, so why repeat it?
People who are compelled to share a home as there's not enough houses are classed as one household. You know that, but you're repeating your lies anyway. 🤦♂️
The idea that t here's been a lesser increase in household demand than population increase, when our demographic changes mean there's even further household pressures, is so obviously false its remarkable your following through on this outright blatant lie.
Edit: sorry, the population per household has risen* This is explained by immigrants being much more efficient users of households than say older people
Immigration doesn't counter that.
Your own data reveals the chronic housing shortage. Again!
I'd love to know these mythical local authorities without housing shortages.
Glad you got there in the end. You have always banged on that we build plenty of homes. You always missed the point that these are not necessarily where they are needed. Glad to see that is rectified.
But even then, I suspect more housebuilding in and around London, Edinburgh etc will just serve to keep pushing those economies on, never really solve the housing crisis there. Vicious cycle.
This is where the analysis is tricky - under Bart's thinking, that means there was some housing pressure, which has some merit.
However, I suggest that the inverse is happening - there is so little pressure on housing in S.Tyneside people can afford to live alone. I think Barty includes this effect in his definition of "pressure", which I think is a little misleading. Indeed, comparing that kind of "pressure" to that experienced by people in London is just plain wrong.
Under his definition, housing pressure is effectively inescapable. We'd all love to live alone in a 10 bed mansion.
If you taxed buy-to-let out of existence, and tightened up the mortgage rules to reduce how much people could borrow, then you could engineer a very large drop in house prices, even with no surge in house-building.
I don't think that would be the approach that would maximise human happiness, or economic utility, however.2 -
Im not sure how he can be much more finished than he is currently.FrancisUrquhart said:
If they have lied about this, he will absolutely 100% be finished.Scott_xP said:@DPJHodges
I didn’t believe reports Sunak and his team contemplated not attending the events at all. Having watched his interview again, and spoken to a couple of people, I’m not sure now. His explanation doesn’t add up.0 -
Someone should ask them for a precise calculation of the number of people who bought a house because of the old mortgage guarantee, who wouldn’t have been offered a mortgage anyway.pigeon said:I am just home from work and errands in town. What has Sunak done now?
In other news, I hear that Labour has, if I understand the details correctly, promised to revive the Help to Buy scheme (slightly different name this time, but same DNA) and make it permanent. If anyone ever doubted that one of the principle functions of the British state is to ensure ever-rising house prices, there's your proof.
Clue: It’s a “round” number.
It’s a really good policy for allowing people who could by anyway to spend a bit more, and then (as you say) nudge up prices and pull the ladder up behind them.
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XR are a bunch of risibles.FrancisUrquhart said:
This is my point. They are rarely if ever good faith actors, they despise the capitalist system, it must be torn down. I bet we all indirectly have 2% of our pension etc invested in these areas.Nigelb said:
The activists are basically objecting to BF being an investment company.FrancisUrquhart said:
Never give in to these people. You give an inch and before you know it everything is cancelled / problematic.Leon said:The state of this
“Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”
https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL
...“The assertion that we have significant amounts of money in the occupied Palestinian territories is offensively misleading. Baillie Gifford is a large investor in several multinational technology companies, including Amazon, Nvidia and Meta. Demanding divestment from these global companies, used by millions of people around the world, is unreasonable and serves no purpose. Much as it would be unreasonable to demand authors boycott Instagram or stop selling books on Amazon.”
Baillie Gifford was also not a “significant fossil fuel investor”, Thomas said. “Only 2% of our clients’ money is invested in companies with some business related to fossil fuels. We invest far more in companies helping drive the transition to clean energy.”..
One of the XR founder was honest about it at the beginning, that climate change cause was just a vehicle to help them achieve this by tapping into wider public concerns about the environment.
This is what they are doing here, leveraging fossil fuels and Israel.
Anyone serious about action on climate change should share that opinion.1 -
Well, I've seen a few bits of news today.
I'm going to make a bold prediction: The Tories are going to struggle to win today's news cycle.2 -
Oh, I am sooooo close on this oneMalmesbury said:
All you need is membership of the Grand Council of the Illuminati, the Trilateral Commission *and* The Elders of Zion.TheValiant said:
I wonder if there isn't a long standing respected member who could step up to being on the editorial team? How did TSE get his place?DecrepiterJohnL said:
The depleted editorial team should use OGH's old tricks of starting a thread every time he saw a tweet about a new opinion poll, and when he didn't, regularly starting generic Nighthawks threads. We do not need the editors to spend the whole day crafting thousand-word headers.Cookie said:
In fairness to the editors, OGH has stepped down, TSE is off sick and Robert lives in another timezone. It's not surprising if we have to talk amongst ourselves for a little longer than usual.MoonRabbit said:
But the big long threads seem to be working well for discussion though? In relation to days with lots of threads to jump across to, that can be discussion(s) killer, this feels okay?Peter_the_Punter said:Anyoneknow what the record number of posts in a thread is?
Are we making an attempt on the record?
But editors also need to be mindful lots of lurkers come for the quality and independent thoughts in the headers, i suspect.
A focus on quality not quantity of headers, and longer threads for discussion seems good balance to me.0 -
He (or she) has clearly got your number.TOPPING said:OK NEW D-DAY NEWS
My postie just arrived. Shaved head, tats everywhere you look, including one of those ones with a bulldog holding a union jack or maybe wearing one I didn't look to closely.
Came over, handed me my post, left.
Not. A. Word. about Normandy.
DYOR and bet accordingly.0 -
I mean he could resign as leader of the Tories, but that would only be making de jure what is de facto already because I don’t think there’s a lot of leading going on.Eabhal said:
Is there a mechanism to force Sunak out? I assume the 1922 does not work because they aren't technically MPs at the moment.FrancisUrquhart said:
If they have lied about this, he will absolutely 100% be finished.Scott_xP said:@DPJHodges
I didn’t believe reports Sunak and his team contemplated not attending the events at all. Having watched his interview again, and spoken to a couple of people, I’m not sure now. His explanation doesn’t add up.
And he is safe as PM because there isn't a House to draw confidence from.0 -
Hold his beer for him…ToryJim said:
Im not sure how he can be much more finished than he is currently.FrancisUrquhart said:
If they have lied about this, he will absolutely 100% be finished.Scott_xP said:@DPJHodges
I didn’t believe reports Sunak and his team contemplated not attending the events at all. Having watched his interview again, and spoken to a couple of people, I’m not sure now. His explanation doesn’t add up.
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Toast is back in the toasterToryJim said:
Im not sure how he can be much more finished than he is currently.FrancisUrquhart said:
If they have lied about this, he will absolutely 100% be finished.Scott_xP said:@DPJHodges
I didn’t believe reports Sunak and his team contemplated not attending the events at all. Having watched his interview again, and spoken to a couple of people, I’m not sure now. His explanation doesn’t add up.1 -
I hope so, or he’d never get his post…Nigelb said:
He (or she) has clearly got your number.TOPPING said:OK NEW D-DAY NEWS
My postie just arrived. Shaved head, tats everywhere you look, including one of those ones with a bulldog holding a union jack or maybe wearing one I didn't look to closely.
Came over, handed me my post, left.
Not. A. Word. about Normandy.
DYOR and bet accordingly.
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War memorialOnlyLivingBoy said:
That's why we come here. Provincial British exotica. I don't know why Leon's always travelling, we've got everything here.kinabalu said:
"Garage door openers"Eabhal said:Ok, the pipe major in the town I grew up in has just completely lost it a series of deeply abusive Facebook posts, all related to D-gate.
CUT THROUGH
"The pipe major in my town"
I'm in an unfamiliar world here today.
Bus station
Greggs
Deserted Debenhams shop
More Greggs
Van selling burgers or kebabs
Cashpoints
Tramp outside cashpoint
Drunks at prominent doorway begging/menacing
Old fat people on mobility scooters, so fat the seat disappears in the bottom
Nightclub that looks old and tacky in the daytime, with blanked-out windows
Vape shops
Charity shops
British Heart Foundation Furniture and Electrical
Waitrose/Sainsburys/Tescos/Co-op/Morrisons
Buskers
Tattoo shops
Chain Coffee shop (Costa, Starbucks, whatevs)
Local Coffee shop/cake shop where you can sit down with bacon roll and read book for a bit
People sitting at tables drinking coffee like it was Paris or something
Car parks
Boarded-up shopping centre/road
Pub advertising football
Big Issue seller from Eastern Europe
Opticians
Nail bars
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There’s no mechanism to have another leadership election.0
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Two of the big campaigners who got all the literary festivals cancelled are Nish Kumar and Charlotte Church. Which is kinda perfect, two more objectionable twats it is hard to imagineFrancisUrquhart said:
And what does it achieve. Probably that some of these festivals don't go ahead. Well done Sebastian and Arabella. Top work.MJW said:
Few things have made me angrier recently. It encapsulates everything wrong with 'radical' left-wing activism. Internally incoherent and incredibly stupid, hectoring, destroying the very things claim to value because others aren't allowed to enjoy them without paying the Danegeld, bullying, full undeserved self-righteousness, and then throw in a non-sequitur about Israel because why not? That's what's cool to shout about these days.Leon said:The state of this
“Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”
https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL2 -
He is on The List for conviction, followed by involuntary cremation.DavidL said:
Sorry, who are you?biggles said:
I have a coal fire. Am I….. cancelled?FrancisUrquhart said:
This is my point. They are rarely if ever good faith actors, they despise the capitalist system, it must be torn down. One of the XR founder was honest about it at the beginning, that climate change cause was just a vehicle to help them achieve this by tapping into wider public concerns about the environment.Nigelb said:
The activists are basically objecting to BF being an investment company.FrancisUrquhart said:
Never give in to these people. You give an inch and before you know it everything is cancelled / problematic.Leon said:The state of this
“Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”
https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL
...“The assertion that we have significant amounts of money in the occupied Palestinian territories is offensively misleading. Baillie Gifford is a large investor in several multinational technology companies, including Amazon, Nvidia and Meta. Demanding divestment from these global companies, used by millions of people around the world, is unreasonable and serves no purpose. Much as it would be unreasonable to demand authors boycott Instagram or stop selling books on Amazon.”
Baillie Gifford was also not a “significant fossil fuel investor”, Thomas said. “Only 2% of our clients’ money is invested in companies with some business related to fossil fuels. We invest far more in companies helping drive the transition to clean energy.”..
On a coal fire.1 -
Nish Kumar is about the most unfunny comedian there is. Seems unfair to comedians to even label him as that. A bit like Sunak and PM.Leon said:
Two of the big campaigners who got all the literary festivals cancelled are Nish Kumar and Charlotte Church. Which is kinda perfect, two more objectionable twats it is hard to imagineFrancisUrquhart said:
And what does it achieve. Probably that some of these festivals don't go ahead. Well done Sebastian and Arabella. Top work.MJW said:
Few things have made me angrier recently. It encapsulates everything wrong with 'radical' left-wing activism. Internally incoherent and incredibly stupid, hectoring, destroying the very things claim to value because others aren't allowed to enjoy them without paying the Danegeld, bullying, full undeserved self-righteousness, and then throw in a non-sequitur about Israel because why not? That's what's cool to shout about these days.Leon said:The state of this
“Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”
https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL
I mean i disagree with Mark Thomas on most thing political but he was bloody funny.1 -
Yes, I think that's fair.LostPassword said:
Most people, most of the time, buy the best house that the bank will let them afford. So, in that sense, I think there is an element of demand for housing being almost infinite.Eabhal said:
In South Tyneside, the population fell while the number of households increased very slightly.Taz said:
Sure. But what is the point of more housebuilding in areas like South Shields where the population actually contracted in between the censuses.Eabhal said:
That has always been the point I wanted to make.Taz said:
I have posted the infographic on this before too, once directly in reply to Bart.Eabhal said:
I provided you with some examples aboveBartholomewRoberts said:
Absolutely.eek said:
Don't believe you - please provide evidence because even this week I saw issues in 3 local authorities round here..Eabhal said:
In most LAs, housing pressure is actually falling. It's only in about 100 where you see this acute problem, and they are mostly in our cities.BartholomewRoberts said:
The number of people per household should have fallen as we have 4 million extra over 50s than we did. Who don't live with children.🤦♂️Eabhal said:
The number of people per household has fallen, and overcrowding has fallen too.BartholomewRoberts said:
Why are you lying?Eabhal said:
8.2% increase in homesBartholomewRoberts said:
This glut is all in your head.Eabhal said:
The number of new homes has increased faster than the population, by a wide margin. It's actually a glut.BartholomewRoberts said:
That's been caused by the terrible shortage of new homes, meaning prices are far too high. Which is fundamental supply and demand in action.Eabhal said:
There he blows!BartholomewRoberts said:
That shows a gross ignorance of economics and follows your typical lame excuse-making for NIMBYism.Eabhal said:
40% of right to buy homes are now rented out privately.Cicero said:
What percentage of council houses sold are still in the hands of owner occupiers, as opposed to private rental companies?FrancisUrquhart said:Help to Buy is to getting a rebrand as Freedom to Buy...
https://news.sky.com/story/labour-to-offer-freedom-to-buy-for-young-people-with-mortgage-guarantee-scheme-13148889
Permanent very low deposits guaranteed by government has other negatives above the risk of bad loans.
PB likes to ignore the vast shifts in housing tenure in the last 14 years, but ultimately it's the reason why the country has become more unequal and why the number of natural Conservative voters has fallen. There is no evidence that a mass private housebuilding programme would reverse the trend and increase ownership - all the new homes will simply be hoovered up by those who have accumulated large savings.
The reason for the vast shifts in housing tenure is the lack of building supply. If supply increases that will be reversed.
And of course in a healthy free housing economy typically 10% of homes are unoccupied [for very good reasons] which means homes in poor condition or are too expensive don't get let out and the owner is left paying their bills/mortgage and taxes without a tenant paying them any rent.
So why would those with savings snap up all homes if supply is increased and they can't let them out? It means price falls and people who want to buy to own have a choice, as well as tenants having a choice, on where to live.
New homes: 2.0 million
Increase in households renting: 1.1 million
Increase in households owning outright: 0.9 million
Decrease in households with a mortgage: -0.4 million
It would have certainly been worse without any new homes. But the idea that an increase in supply is the only intervention required is nonsense - wealth inequality is now far too great in the UK for that to suffice.
An increase in supply may not be the only intervention required, I never said it is, but it is absolutely 100% needed and would help to reverse the damage that has been done.
Of course if supply increases and prices fall in real terms, then that would lower that inequality you mentioned too.
The problem is that there are significant mismatches with where those houses are being built and where there is housing pressure. At risk of pissing off lots of PBers, here is my official assessment of LAs (bespoke assessments can be provided on request):
YIMBY Gold award:
Selby
Huntingdonshire
Mid Suffolk
Telford and Wrekin
West Lindsey
NIMBY Black Spot of Barty Doom
Pendle
Thurrock
Swale
Epping Forest
Peterborough
Urban Excellence award: Southwark
Rural Excellence award: West Devon, Cotswolds, Uttlesford
Leon award: Camden, Westminster, Kensington and Chelsea (fewer houses, population falling)
Trooper award: Tower Hamlets, Bedford, Tewkesbury (massive effort, but simply can’t keep up)
Breeze block award: Barking and Dagenham, Slough, Leicester (massive population growth, no attempt to deal with it)
Barty award: Copeland, Richmondshire, Caerphilly, Allerdale (population falling but f*** it more houses anyway)
The number of new homes has nowhere near kept up with demand.
Again you show a shocking ignorance of the effects of demographics on housing requirements, talking again only of "population". 🤦♂️
6.1% increase in households
6.3% increase in population
Your households figure is a lie. You know this, so why repeat it?
People who are compelled to share a home as there's not enough houses are classed as one household. You know that, but you're repeating your lies anyway. 🤦♂️
The idea that t here's been a lesser increase in household demand than population increase, when our demographic changes mean there's even further household pressures, is so obviously false its remarkable your following through on this outright blatant lie.
Edit: sorry, the population per household has risen* This is explained by immigrants being much more efficient users of households than say older people
Immigration doesn't counter that.
Your own data reveals the chronic housing shortage. Again!
I'd love to know these mythical local authorities without housing shortages.
Glad you got there in the end. You have always banged on that we build plenty of homes. You always missed the point that these are not necessarily where they are needed. Glad to see that is rectified.
But even then, I suspect more housebuilding in and around London, Edinburgh etc will just serve to keep pushing those economies on, never really solve the housing crisis there. Vicious cycle.
This is where the analysis is tricky - under Bart's thinking, that means there was some housing pressure, which has some merit.
However, I suggest that the inverse is happening - there is so little pressure on housing in S.Tyneside people can afford to live alone. I think Barty includes this effect in his definition of "pressure", which I think is a little misleading. Indeed, comparing that kind of "pressure" to that experienced by people in London is just plain wrong.
Under his definition, housing pressure is effectively inescapable. We'd all love to live alone in a 10 bed mansion.
If you taxed buy-to-let out of existence, and tightened up the mortgage rules to reduce how much people could borrow, then you could engineer a very large drop in house prices, even with no surge in house-building.
I don't think that would be the approach that would maximise human happiness, or economic utility, however.
I also think we should applaud those LAs that have experienced large population increases while keeping average household size steady, or even lower. They've dealt with it while not sacrificing living conditions:
Tewkesbury
Central Bedfordshire
Uttlesford
Vale of White Horse
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Are we sure if either of them can actually read? They don’t strike me as people suffused in literatureLeon said:
Two of the big campaigners who got all the literary festivals cancelled are Nish Kumar and Charlotte Church. Which is kinda perfect, two more objectionable twats it is hard to imagineFrancisUrquhart said:
And what does it achieve. Probably that some of these festivals don't go ahead. Well done Sebastian and Arabella. Top work.MJW said:
Few things have made me angrier recently. It encapsulates everything wrong with 'radical' left-wing activism. Internally incoherent and incredibly stupid, hectoring, destroying the very things claim to value because others aren't allowed to enjoy them without paying the Danegeld, bullying, full undeserved self-righteousness, and then throw in a non-sequitur about Israel because why not? That's what's cool to shout about these days.Leon said:The state of this
“Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”
https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL0 -
In other WWII related news, I hadn't realised that one of the earliest triggers for the change in US policy which led to the Marshall plan, was the decision by the Attlee government in Feb 1947 to end support for the Greek government's war against communist insurgents.
And while the US determined to rebuild the economies of Western Europe, we were still blowing up German shipyards in 1949.0 -
It is now illegal to sell coal in closed sacks (although now I think about it are garages still doing that?) so what all the coal merchants do is cut open the tops of the sacks and proceed as usual.Malmesbury said:
He is on The List for conviction, followed by involuntary cremation.DavidL said:
Sorry, who are you?biggles said:
I have a coal fire. Am I….. cancelled?FrancisUrquhart said:
This is my point. They are rarely if ever good faith actors, they despise the capitalist system, it must be torn down. One of the XR founder was honest about it at the beginning, that climate change cause was just a vehicle to help them achieve this by tapping into wider public concerns about the environment.Nigelb said:
The activists are basically objecting to BF being an investment company.FrancisUrquhart said:
Never give in to these people. You give an inch and before you know it everything is cancelled / problematic.Leon said:The state of this
“Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”
https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL
...“The assertion that we have significant amounts of money in the occupied Palestinian territories is offensively misleading. Baillie Gifford is a large investor in several multinational technology companies, including Amazon, Nvidia and Meta. Demanding divestment from these global companies, used by millions of people around the world, is unreasonable and serves no purpose. Much as it would be unreasonable to demand authors boycott Instagram or stop selling books on Amazon.”
Baillie Gifford was also not a “significant fossil fuel investor”, Thomas said. “Only 2% of our clients’ money is invested in companies with some business related to fossil fuels. We invest far more in companies helping drive the transition to clean energy.”..
On a coal fire.
Also, in case anyone thought the cost of living/energy crisis wasn't hitting home, a sack of coal which cost £8 pre-Covid today costs around £20 (actually more but that's the only coal that can be bought).0 -
"The Prime Minister has many demands on his time and has to make difficult decisions about how to use it, while it's not the decision I would have made I don't think it remotely compares to Farage's support for Putin. You would have chosen to abandon Europe to the Nazis wouldn't you Nigel, just as you would abandon Ukraine to Putin today."FrancisUrquhart said:I don't fancy Penny Mourdant job this evening. It bad enough having 6 others gang up on you in a debate over your record in government, now what does she do about Sunak decision?
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I think we all know it's a bloody terrible idea from the socio-economic POV, the Government underwriting a load of sub-prime mortgage debt in order to increase competition for an insufficient supply of property, to the benefit of existing owners. But if you appreciate that the politicians like to pretend they care about the young whilst lavishing all the real benefits on the old, as part of the endless bidding war over the grey vote, then it makes total sense.FrancisUrquhart said:
This guy explains it well, from a few months ago when Tories floated similar idea.pigeon said:I am just home from work and errands in town. What has Sunak done now?
In other news, I hear that Labour has, if I understand the details correctly, promised to revive the Help to Buy scheme (slightly different name this time, but same DNA) and make it permanent. If anyone ever doubted that one of the principle functions of the British state is to ensure ever-rising house prices, there's your proof.
99% Mortgages Are A Terrible Idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGgA_C7znwY
I hope that what we're going to get out of Labour is substantial change, rather than more of the same with a few cosmetic flourishes, but this kind of nonsense doesn't inspire confidence.1 -
There must a mechanism to at least appoint a new one. What if the leader died during an election campaign, for example?BatteryCorrectHorse said:There’s no mechanism to have another leadership election.
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I think most people here are hammering Sunak purely for his suicidal stupidity.boulay said:
Quite right too. I mean, I know most people who are hammering Sunak woke up early yesterday, faced towards Normandy and saluted at the time of the first landings then spent the day in sorrowful contemplation whilst watching Whoever has replaced Huw Edward’s looking mournful whilst weeping into their tissues.JosiasJessop said:
I'm looking forward to the 100th anniversary of D-Day, when politicians will have to kneel down upon the Holy Sands, bare their back and flagellate themselves with the Sacred Barbed Wire Of Omaha. Anyone seen as not showing enough reverence will immediatey be tied to a Czech hedgehog, ready to be claimed by the next tide.boulay said:
He didn’t have time for veterans except the one he pushed along in his wheelchair, the ones he met, addressed and quoted and praised at the ceremony he attended.ToryJim said:
That’s not how people will see it. He didn’t have time in his diary for veterans of D Day but could find the time to do a campaign interview. And his excuse that he did the British events but not the non-British one is just staggering. The liberation of Nazi occupied Europe was a joint endeavour, the commemoration of it should be too. Any PM who doesn’t get that instinctively deserves everything he gets.boulay said:
Um, he filmed an interview that wasn’t to be aired during D-day events and so clearly didn’t do any campaigning.rottenborough said:(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
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12m
Rishi Sunak says the issue shouldn’t be politicised and we should focus on the veterans. There was supposed to be a campaign pause for D-Day. He broke it, left the veterans, and came home for a political interview.
https://x.com/DPJHodges?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
The only reason people are aware he did an interview for the campaign is because of people wetting their pants about him missing part of the D-day commemorations. So he respected the campaigning pause - it was others who turned it into part of the campaign.
Now I know I’m one of probably three people on this site who didn’t stop everything yesterday and devote the day to watching D-day, and I apologise for that, but I’m guessing the veterans cared more about the king being there, about actually being there themselves and getting the thanks from the ordinary people.
I can’t imagine any of them knew who was actually attending the main ceremony. So let’s get someone to ask them - after all, it’s about them and their comrades. If they really are offended then Sunak needs to step down, if they say they don’t care, it’s not about politicians then we move on. Fair enough?
I know they refrained from anything frivolous but I think of the words of my grandfather who survived the war, who was bombing Normandy from D-day onwards, to go and enjoy every day and don’t take it all too seriously because you don’t know when it’s over.
He lost two brothers in the war and would have found the performative outrage seriously embarrassing and possibly offensive in itself because the vast majority of the outrage isn’t because they hold these incredibly deep values and feelings for those who died but because it makes one side look bad and them better.0 -
At some point, assuming that the science is broadly sound, then combining this with the actual current facts and only possible trajectory of CO2 emissions a particular thing has to change, and it will embarrass a lot of people. It is this:Nigelb said:
XR are a bunch of risibles.FrancisUrquhart said:
This is my point. They are rarely if ever good faith actors, they despise the capitalist system, it must be torn down. I bet we all indirectly have 2% of our pension etc invested in these areas.Nigelb said:
The activists are basically objecting to BF being an investment company.FrancisUrquhart said:
Never give in to these people. You give an inch and before you know it everything is cancelled / problematic.Leon said:The state of this
“Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”
https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL
...“The assertion that we have significant amounts of money in the occupied Palestinian territories is offensively misleading. Baillie Gifford is a large investor in several multinational technology companies, including Amazon, Nvidia and Meta. Demanding divestment from these global companies, used by millions of people around the world, is unreasonable and serves no purpose. Much as it would be unreasonable to demand authors boycott Instagram or stop selling books on Amazon.”
Baillie Gifford was also not a “significant fossil fuel investor”, Thomas said. “Only 2% of our clients’ money is invested in companies with some business related to fossil fuels. We invest far more in companies helping drive the transition to clean energy.”..
One of the XR founder was honest about it at the beginning, that climate change cause was just a vehicle to help them achieve this by tapping into wider public concerns about the environment.
This is what they are doing here, leveraging fossil fuels and Israel.
Anyone serious about action on climate change should share that opinion.
There is no route whatsoever out of very substantial global warming as a result of actions past, present and immediate future. None of this is stoppable.
If the science is correct, the immediate issue is how to plan for and deal with the realities of this fact.
This has been true for some years, but people cling to the myth that 'we have five (insert similar number) years to save the world by abolishing oil and gas'.1 -
Bribery? Blackmail? Befriending OGH at the occasional in-person meetings we used to hold?TheValiant said:
I wonder if there isn't a long standing respected member who could step up to being on the editorial team? How did TSE get his place?DecrepiterJohnL said:
The depleted editorial team should use OGH's old tricks of starting a thread every time he saw a tweet about a new opinion poll, and when he didn't, regularly starting generic Nighthawks threads. We do not need the editors to spend the whole day crafting thousand-word headers.Cookie said:
In fairness to the editors, OGH has stepped down, TSE is off sick and Robert lives in another timezone. It's not surprising if we have to talk amongst ourselves for a little longer than usual.MoonRabbit said:
But the big long threads seem to be working well for discussion though? In relation to days with lots of threads to jump across to, that can be discussion(s) killer, this feels okay?Peter_the_Punter said:Anyoneknow what the record number of posts in a thread is?
Are we making an attempt on the record?
But editors also need to be mindful lots of lurkers come for the quality and independent thoughts in the headers, i suspect.
A focus on quality not quantity of headers, and longer threads for discussion seems good balance to me.0 -
@christopherhope
LATEST
Popstar Holly Valance holds crunch last minute talks with Reform UK to stand against Tory chairman Richard Holden in election.
She must decide by 4pm today.1 -
In retrospect a policy of German deindustrialisation would have been a visionary approach to tackling climate change.Nigelb said:In other WWII related news, I hadn't realised that one of the earliest triggers for the change in US policy which led to the Marshall plan, was the decision by the Attlee government in Feb 1947 to end support for the Greek government's war against communist insurgents.
And while the US determined to rebuild the economies of Western Europe, we were still blowing up German shipyards in 1949.0 -
I wouldn't be surprised if the media aren't contacting the veterans Sunak did his spoons PR stunt with for their opinion on the story.0
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Ah so it's attained the "goes without saying" level of horror. Oh dear, awful for Sunak.TOPPING said:OK NEW D-DAY NEWS
My postie just arrived. Shaved head, tats everywhere you look, including one of those ones with a bulldog holding a union jack or maybe wearing one I didn't look to closely.
Came over, handed me my post, left.
Not. A. Word. about Normandy.
DYOR and bet accordingly.1 -
But Trump is Farage´s big mate, and about as popular as norovirus with most people in this country, then there is the questionable history with Russia Today, the who paid the Bad Boys of Brexit, and admit it, Nigel you prefer Red wine to Bitter etc etcmaaarsh said:
What does that even look like? Calling him a racist isn't going to fly with the voters they're fighting over.Nigelb said:
Go in studs up on Farage.FrancisUrquhart said:I don't fancy Penny Mourdant job this evening. It bad enough having 6 others gang up on you in a debate over your record in government, now what does she do about Sunak decision?
And let the PM speak for himself.0 -
At least she won’t be able to criticise Sunak for being married to a billionaire. I knew there would be some good news for Rishi today.Scott_xP said:@christopherhope
LATEST
Popstar Holly Valance holds crunch last minute talks with Reform UK to stand against Tory chairman Richard Holden in election.
She must decide by 4pm today.2 -
Presumably they can have a new leader while Sunak remains PM, as the two posts don't have to be held by the same person.glw said:I have to say it will be bloody hilarious if the Tories have one more leadership change before the general election.
Not sure that anyone would put their name forward, though ? Not the greatest risk/reward proposition.0 -
That would be a rather drastic option.RobD said:
There must a mechanism to at least appoint a new one. What if the leader died during an election campaign, for example?BatteryCorrectHorse said:There’s no mechanism to have another leadership election.
There must be an easier way ?1 -
There has been a distinct lack of celeb endorsements so far. Maybe this tedious stuff will come shortly. I was fully expecting the likes of Gary Neville to be drowning on at every opportunity to vote Labour.0
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Harsh, but made me LOL I must admitToryJim said:
Are we sure if either of them can actually read? They don’t strike me as people suffused in literatureLeon said:
Two of the big campaigners who got all the literary festivals cancelled are Nish Kumar and Charlotte Church. Which is kinda perfect, two more objectionable twats it is hard to imagineFrancisUrquhart said:
And what does it achieve. Probably that some of these festivals don't go ahead. Well done Sebastian and Arabella. Top work.MJW said:
Few things have made me angrier recently. It encapsulates everything wrong with 'radical' left-wing activism. Internally incoherent and incredibly stupid, hectoring, destroying the very things claim to value because others aren't allowed to enjoy them without paying the Danegeld, bullying, full undeserved self-righteousness, and then throw in a non-sequitur about Israel because why not? That's what's cool to shout about these days.Leon said:The state of this
“Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”
https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL0 -
Everybody needs good neighboursboulay said:
At least she won’t be able to criticise Sunak for being married to a billionaire. I knew there would be some good news for Rishi today.Scott_xP said:@christopherhope
LATEST
Popstar Holly Valance holds crunch last minute talks with Reform UK to stand against Tory chairman Richard Holden in election.
She must decide by 4pm today.
Sorry; not sorry4 -
It's Holly v The WallyScott_xP said:@christopherhope
LATEST
Popstar Holly Valance holds crunch last minute talks with Reform UK to stand against Tory chairman Richard Holden in election.
She must decide by 4pm today.3 -
I sympathise with the idea that we need to start planning for the inevitable. The 2030s will be all about getting the UK ready.algarkirk said:
At some point, assuming that the science is broadly sound, then combining this with the actual current facts and only possible trajectory of CO2 emissions a particular thing has to change, and it will embarrass a lot of people. It is this:Nigelb said:
XR are a bunch of risibles.FrancisUrquhart said:
This is my point. They are rarely if ever good faith actors, they despise the capitalist system, it must be torn down. I bet we all indirectly have 2% of our pension etc invested in these areas.Nigelb said:
The activists are basically objecting to BF being an investment company.FrancisUrquhart said:
Never give in to these people. You give an inch and before you know it everything is cancelled / problematic.Leon said:The state of this
“Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”
https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL
...“The assertion that we have significant amounts of money in the occupied Palestinian territories is offensively misleading. Baillie Gifford is a large investor in several multinational technology companies, including Amazon, Nvidia and Meta. Demanding divestment from these global companies, used by millions of people around the world, is unreasonable and serves no purpose. Much as it would be unreasonable to demand authors boycott Instagram or stop selling books on Amazon.”
Baillie Gifford was also not a “significant fossil fuel investor”, Thomas said. “Only 2% of our clients’ money is invested in companies with some business related to fossil fuels. We invest far more in companies helping drive the transition to clean energy.”..
One of the XR founder was honest about it at the beginning, that climate change cause was just a vehicle to help them achieve this by tapping into wider public concerns about the environment.
This is what they are doing here, leveraging fossil fuels and Israel.
Anyone serious about action on climate change should share that opinion.
There is no route whatsoever out of very substantial global warming as a result of actions past, present and immediate future. None of this is stoppable.
If the science is correct, the immediate issue is how to plan for and deal with the realities of this fact.
This has been true for some years, but people cling to the myth that 'we have five (insert similar number) years to save the world by abolishing oil and gas'.
But the nature and scale of the damage escalates very quickly the hotter the world gets. Sure, it's some dodgy modelling and no one knows for sure, but it's as likely it could be even worse than expected than better.
There are some interesting and rather terrifying tipping points. It's like FPTP, but for the human race.2 -
This could start a political arms race to recruit Australian soap stars.Scott_xP said:@christopherhope
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I think more Wally vs Wally.Anabobazina said:
It's Holly v The WallyScott_xP said:@christopherhope
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She did a long form interview a couple of months ago and it was quite painful.1 -
I would vote for Kyliewilliamglenn said:
This could start a political arms race to recruit Australian soap stars.Scott_xP said:@christopherhope
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That's not so much Chris Hope as Chris Morris.Scott_xP said:@christopherhope
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You should be so lucky.Scott_xP said:
I would vote for Kyliewilliamglenn said:
This could start a political arms race to recruit Australian soap stars.Scott_xP said:@christopherhope
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They’d have the eternal honour of being an answer to an obscure pub quiz question.Nigelb said:
Presumably they can have a new leader while Sunak remains PM, as the two posts don't have to be held by the same person.glw said:I have to say it will be bloody hilarious if the Tories have one more leadership change before the general election.
Not sure that anyone would put their name forward, though ? Not the greatest risk/reward proposition.2 -
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Well that was the previous policy.williamglenn said:
In retrospect a policy of German deindustrialisation would have been a visionary approach to tackling climate change.Nigelb said:In other WWII related news, I hadn't realised that one of the earliest triggers for the change in US policy which led to the Marshall plan, was the decision by the Attlee government in Feb 1947 to end support for the Greek government's war against communist insurgents.
And while the US determined to rebuild the economies of Western Europe, we were still blowing up German shipyards in 1949.
Since the German populace were at that time subsisting on about 1000 kcal a day, its continuance would have required about 25m of them to disappear, one way or another, within a fairly short space of time.0 -
I have never met a chatty postman, they seem in too much of a hurry.Nigelb said:
He (or she) has clearly got your number.TOPPING said:OK NEW D-DAY NEWS
My postie just arrived. Shaved head, tats everywhere you look, including one of those ones with a bulldog holding a union jack or maybe wearing one I didn't look to closely.
Came over, handed me my post, left.
Not. A. Word. about Normandy.
DYOR and bet accordingly.0 -
Any last minute surprises/defections on the horizon I wonder? We’ve got under two hours to go. Tick, tick, tick….1
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Might help to explain why ours are so good at delivering to the right house number in the wrong road.Tweedledee said:
I have never met a chatty postman, they seem in too much of a hurry.Nigelb said:
He (or she) has clearly got your number.TOPPING said:OK NEW D-DAY NEWS
My postie just arrived. Shaved head, tats everywhere you look, including one of those ones with a bulldog holding a union jack or maybe wearing one I didn't look to closely.
Came over, handed me my post, left.
Not. A. Word. about Normandy.
DYOR and bet accordingly.0 -
Yes, the implication that we can therefore abandon the transition to renewables is plain wrong.Eabhal said:
I sympathise with the idea that we need to start planning for the inevitable. The 2030s will be all about getting the UK ready.algarkirk said:
At some point, assuming that the science is broadly sound, then combining this with the actual current facts and only possible trajectory of CO2 emissions a particular thing has to change, and it will embarrass a lot of people. It is this:Nigelb said:
XR are a bunch of risibles.FrancisUrquhart said:
This is my point. They are rarely if ever good faith actors, they despise the capitalist system, it must be torn down. I bet we all indirectly have 2% of our pension etc invested in these areas.Nigelb said:
The activists are basically objecting to BF being an investment company.FrancisUrquhart said:
Never give in to these people. You give an inch and before you know it everything is cancelled / problematic.Leon said:The state of this
“Baillie Gifford cancels all remaining sponsorships of literary festivals”
https://x.com/guardianbooks/status/1798748715156643956?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
They’ve done this because a small group of Woke trustafarian idiots have campaigned for it bEcAuSe IsRaeL
...“The assertion that we have significant amounts of money in the occupied Palestinian territories is offensively misleading. Baillie Gifford is a large investor in several multinational technology companies, including Amazon, Nvidia and Meta. Demanding divestment from these global companies, used by millions of people around the world, is unreasonable and serves no purpose. Much as it would be unreasonable to demand authors boycott Instagram or stop selling books on Amazon.”
Baillie Gifford was also not a “significant fossil fuel investor”, Thomas said. “Only 2% of our clients’ money is invested in companies with some business related to fossil fuels. We invest far more in companies helping drive the transition to clean energy.”..
One of the XR founder was honest about it at the beginning, that climate change cause was just a vehicle to help them achieve this by tapping into wider public concerns about the environment.
This is what they are doing here, leveraging fossil fuels and Israel.
Anyone serious about action on climate change should share that opinion.
There is no route whatsoever out of very substantial global warming as a result of actions past, present and immediate future. None of this is stoppable.
If the science is correct, the immediate issue is how to plan for and deal with the realities of this fact.
This has been true for some years, but people cling to the myth that 'we have five (insert similar number) years to save the world by abolishing oil and gas'.
But the nature and scale of the damage escalates very quickly the hotter the world gets. Sure, it's some dodgy modelling and no one knows for sure, but it's as likely it could be even worse than expected than better.
There are some interesting and rather terrifying tipping points. It's like FPTP, but for the human race.
We actually need to be accelerating that transition and planning how to adapt to significant climate change.
Globally, the energy transition should be a net economic plus over time, which is fortunate.4 -
The Tories seem to have already succumbed to Nathalie Imbroglio.williamglenn said:
This could start a political arms race to recruit Australian soap stars.Scott_xP said:@christopherhope
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Popstar Holly Valance holds crunch last minute talks with Reform UK to stand against Tory chairman Richard Holden in election.
She must decide by 4pm today.2 -
I think this all comes back to the 'Sunak is not good at politics' conclusion.
He might do okay working in a political think-tank. But being PM is simply way above his pay grade. For that you need a political instinct that he does not possess.1 -
You haven't been round long.Tweedledee said:
I have never met a chatty postman, they seem in too much of a hurry.Nigelb said:
He (or she) has clearly got your number.TOPPING said:OK NEW D-DAY NEWS
My postie just arrived. Shaved head, tats everywhere you look, including one of those ones with a bulldog holding a union jack or maybe wearing one I didn't look to closely.
Came over, handed me my post, left.
Not. A. Word. about Normandy.
DYOR and bet accordingly.
We have one who posts on PB.3 -
On topic (but it will take me a while to get to it):
Could Political Betting help people become "super-agers"? An article in the May 7th NYT describes the findings from studies in Spain and Chicago of "super-agers", old people who are especially active mentally -- for their age.
Here, for me, is the most interesting finding: "The behaviors of some of the Chicago super-agers were similarly a surprise. Some exercised regularly, but some never had; some stuck to a Mediterranean diet, others subsisted off TV dinners; and a few of them still smoked cigarettes. However, one consistency among the group was that they tended to have strong social relationships, Dr. Rogalski said." (from an article by Dana G. Smith, titled "Peering Inside the Brains of 'Super-Agers')
To the extent that PB helps people have "strong social relationships", it will help them age well.
(And for the application to US politics? Social relationships have broken down in the US over recent decades, weakening families and communities. And that contributes to the widespread unhappiness in this wealthy nation, an unhappiness that is exploited by so many.)0
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