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  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,551
    @TomLarkinSky
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    NEW: First YouGov MRP of the campaign and it's BRUTAL for the Conservatives.

    Projects a 194 seat Labour majority. Biggest in 100 years.

    Tories collapse to just 140 seats - lowest since 1906.

    12 Cabinet ministers projected to lose their seats inc Hunt, Mordaunt and Shapps.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641
    SKY: LAB maj 194, looks plausible
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,502
    YouGov MRP:

    194 seat majority for Labour.

    Lab - 422
    Con - 140
    Lib Dem - 48
    SNP - 17
    Green - 2
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Labour majority of 194, says the Sky MRP.

    Seems a bit toppy.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,198
    edited June 2024
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,085
    YouGov MRP is out


  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641

    SKY: LAB maj 194, looks plausible

    LAB 422
    CON 140
    LD 48
    SNP 17
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,508

    What exactly do you think has changed in the period that the 1/3 of the 15,000 sample taken since the GE was called specifically to ameliorate wouldn't cover?
    They say they weight by recency which should reduce the risk of any bias - and as you say the polls haven't moved much over the period, with the only noticeable shift being a 2-3% increase in the average Labour share.

    I don't think there's necessarily any issue with the MiC poll, it's just that it can't be compared directly with the other polls we've been talking about. It's certainly a good starting point for further research, especially into those 117 'too close to call' seats.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,295
    TOPPING said:

    Absolutely. A good lesson which no doubt will be ignored next time round.
    It’s not a new thing. Indeed it’s been around since at least the English Civil War and the regicide

    “Every revolution devours its children”
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840

    Nigel is many things to many people, but boring?
    I know that @Leon sees him as the second coming or something, but his electoral history doesn’t suggest a poll shifting tidal wave.
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,359
    'Emergency announcement'.

    Fuck me, that traitor has some brass neck on him
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,384

    Labour majority of 194, says the Sky MRP.

    Seems a bit toppy.

    What makes you say that?

    Redfield & Wilton have the Conservatives on just 20% - this suggests low 20s which is well in line with most polls.
  • tlg86 said:

    YouGov MRP:

    194 seat majority for Labour.

    Lab - 422
    Con - 140
    Lib Dem - 48
    SNP - 17
    Green - 2

    That is a devastating poll for the SNP.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    tlg86 said:

    YouGov MRP:

    194 seat majority for Labour.

    Lab - 422
    Con - 140
    Lib Dem - 48
    SNP - 17
    Green - 2

    Wavey Davey will be happy with that. The Splash Strategy is certainly working!
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,085

    LAB 422
    CON 140
    LD 48
    SNP 17
    Looks pretty plausible to me.

    I’ve just broken the 1 image rule. Please @TSE don’t banish me to the outer darkness. It was, after all, to post up the MRP poll finding ;)
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,954
    Leon said:

    I don’t care. I want the Tories destroyed. It may take two elections but this is the necessary beginning, every journey single step etc etc
    The destruction of the Tories is a fait accompli now that Nigel has flicked his mighty fingers. The question now is where does Sir Keir go from here? Voters who were repelled by his wokery now have a home. We may see them abandon Labour in droves. This is a perilous moment for Sir Keir. Labour might even go for the nuclear option and replace him with a more Blue Labour type. The political universe has been upended. There are no longer any certainties.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,581
    Scott_xP said:

    If Richi announces leaving the ECHR tomorrow, when does he announce the death penalty?

    Depends who he wants the death penalty for. If we are talking about his Special Advisers, could be tomorrow.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641
    I think it will be a bit closer in the end, say LAB 375 CON 175, LAB 400 certainly possible, it has happened quite recently 1997 2001
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,698
    Chameleon said:

    https://x.com/BritainElects/status/1797649013371793481

    "Nigel Farage has better favourables among the Conservative base than Rishi Suank. How important is this?"

    Among all voters:

    Sunak: -41
    Farage: -24

    Tory voters:

    Sunk: -2
    Farage: +26

    Real real risk for Sunak here that a bit more noise and it could become a stampede towards reform.

    They're quite astonishing figures.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,342

    LAB 422
    CON 140
    LD 48
    SNP 17
    At least it's better than Find Out Now. Why do Yougov's MRP polls generally imply a lower Labour lead than standard voting intention polls (I guess this must be something like a 16% lead).
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Taz said:
    Do we know the fieldwork dates?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited June 2024

    Do any banks still offer the voice recognition to authorise you when you phone up? If they do, and you have it, disable it now.
    Yes, it’s effing scary if someone wants to target you. It’s gone very quickly from fakes of Obama and Rogan, to pretty much anyone who’s spoken in to a microphone for a few minutes. Anyone with any record of public speaking should be worried at this point, and the rest of us are not far behind.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,414
    People are exceeding their quota of photos. Any further infractions and the ability to add photos will be removed for everybody
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,085

    That is a devastating poll for the SNP.
    That was one of my ? about the MiC one. 35 seats for SNP looks unlikely and just isn’t in tune with the current Scottish trajectory, where bad news seems to be tumbling out for the Nats on an almost daily basis.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    I think it will be a bit closer in the end, say LAB 375 CON 175, LAB 400 certainly possible, it has happened quite recently 1997 2001

    Essentially we're at the point where the swing is so large that even a MoE swign will result in massive changes - one the MRP earlier today a MoE polling error, a 3% Tory -> RFM swing, or more efficient tactical voting and half of the remaining 150 odd seats would fall as they had Con majorities of 5% or less.
  • In East Hants, one of the safer Tory seats I know, if all the Labour voters vote Lib Dem (and why would they vote Labour?), the Tories will lose it
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    YouGov in line with the worst case MiC outcome. 1997 looks a very apposite benchmark
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,295
    TOPPING said:

    You meanwhile are unable either to define what right wing means, or understand the relative position of the parties so I'll stick with the I know it when I see it with this version of the Conservative Party.

    Or you can use toxic motherfuckers if you prefer another description.
    Right wing = low tax, low spend, low debt, low immigration, but plenty on defence. Also roll back anything remotely Woke, leave the ECHR, get rid of any lefty lawyers who have any influence anywhere, and make the BBC play Land of Hope and Glory every thirty minutes and make everyone in Islington STAND while this happens

    There, sorted
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,612

    That is a devastating poll for the SNP.
    And splendid for the LibDems - as well as us, of course!
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,085

    Do we know the fieldwork dates?
    24th May to 01st June
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,551
    DON'T PANIC!

    @montie

    THIS IS THE WORST POSSIBLE NIGHTMARE FOR THE CONSERVATIVES.
    The party should have dumped Sunak.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    edited June 2024
    Some good news....

    ....It also projects that the Scottish National Party would lose more than half their seats, with Labour returning as the largest party north of the border.

    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49606-first-yougov-mrp-of-2024-general-election-shows-labour-on-track-to-beat-1997-landslide
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534

    LAB 422
    CON 140
    LD 48
    SNP 17
    Tories would take 140 seats now and still main Opposition
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    stodge said:

    What makes you say that?

    Redfield & Wilton have the Conservatives on just 20% - this suggests low 20s which is well in line with most polls.
    It would mean Sir Keir beating Blair’s result in 1997. I just can’t see it. Maybe I’m wrong.
  • So looking at the MRP for Clacton:

    Con - 38%
    Lab - 28%
    Reform - 22%

    So Farage in with a chance but also Lab
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,295

    People are exceeding their quota of photos. Any further infractions and the ability to add photos will be removed for everybody

    I’d just like to point out this ain’t me! One photo per calendar day, as instructed

    WHOEVER IS DOING THIS, STOP. I LIKE POSTING MY DAILY PHOTO

    Ah, it’s @Heathener
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,502
    Hunt losing by 15 points according to the MRP.
  • novanova Posts: 748
    kjh said:

    I despair of these MRP polls. There is no way that Lab and LDs are tied 3% behind the Tories in Woking. This is a Tory/LD fight. Until a few weeks ago I would have said Tories holding on just, now I think the LDs will win it, but really Lab should be absolutely nowhere.

    The council is 24 LD, 0 Con, 1 Lab, 5 Ind. Labour were defending 1 seat in May and lost it.

    The last GE was 26K Con, 17K LD, 9K Lab

    And the LDs are targeting it. In what world are Lab challengers here?
    Don't the MRPs come with the caveat that they can't always predicting individual seats accurately?

    There will always be local quirks, odd events happening, unusually popular MPs, where they'll be wildly out - but they hope to get the majority of the seats right, and for the quirky ones to even themselves out across the whole sample.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,551
    Some value here?

    @YouGov
    Our MRP has 131 seats as tossups (i.e. winning party lead of <5%) including one 3-way marginal - Frome and East Somerset, with the Tories, Labour and Lib Dems all on 25-30%.

    Here are the 30 most marginal seats according to the MRP:

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1797661262618444189
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,085
    edited June 2024

    YouGov in line with the worst case MiC outcome. 1997 looks a very apposite benchmark

    That’s been my prediction since May 23rd.

    However, the Conservative campaign is abysmal and now Farage has set the cat amongst the (right wing) pigeons.

    So who knows from here?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,140
    Taz said:
    Is it possible to see how individual constituencies would go in this MRP study?
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 586

    It would mean Sir Keir beating Blair’s result in 1997. I just can’t see it. Maybe I’m wrong.
    Reality isn't indebted to your perspective in any way shape or form.
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,359

    People are exceeding their quota of photos. Any further infractions and the ability to add photos will be removed for everybody

    So I can't post that pic of Farage with Russian shill Donald Trump? Thats a pity.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,085
    When do postal votes start going out?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,342
    Leon said:

    Right wing = low tax, low spend, low debt, low immigration, but plenty on defence. Also roll back anything remotely Woke, leave the ECHR, get rid of any lefty lawyers who have any influence anywhere, and make the BBC play Land of Hope and Glory every thirty minutes and make everyone in Islington STAND while this happens

    There, sorted
    For the current iteration of the Conservative Party it's a case of talking Right, but not acting Right.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,698
    Icarus said:

    Proper PR is coming. If Labour get a massive majority they will have to vote for PR to keep the Conservatives/Reform out next time when things are still not working.

    I don't agree. FTTP is surely worse news for Con/Ref than PR.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,414
    Leon said:

    I’d just like to point out this ain’t me! One photo per calendar day, as instructed

    WHOEVER IS DOING THIS, STOP. I LIKE POSTING MY DAILY PHOTO

    Ah, it’s @Heathener
    Yes you have shown self restraint, although it just isn't Heathener over the last few days.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    edited June 2024
    Andy_JS said:

    Is it possible to see how individual constituencies would go in this MRP study?
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GPKQXD-XQAAxLYu?format=jpg&name=large

    Map above - useless hex map showing rough estimates below: https://yougov.co.uk/elections/uk/2024
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,140

    How fascinating that in the end, Brexit utterly destroyed the Conservative party

    Why do you say Brexit? It's failing to control migration, unless you think those are one and the same thing.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,954
    Scott_xP said:

    DON'T PANIC!

    @montie

    THIS IS THE WORST POSSIBLE NIGHTMARE FOR THE CONSERVATIVES.
    The party should have dumped Sunak.

    The Tories need to get Boris to stand in Clacton. That's probably the one thing they can do to counter the Farage juggernaut.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,485
    The juiciest target for Reform must be 2019 Boris voters who are currently planning to switch (back) to Labour. If he can peel them away whilst the Tories implode, anything is possible.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,414

    NEW THREAD

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534
    mwadams said:

    As I was saying the other day - if Lab end up at the top end of the expectations, and Cons sub 100, there is a huge opportunity for ~100 people on the left of Labour to become the new official opposition in a single bound.
    They won't, the only alternative to main opposition in the UK to the Tories now is Farage and if he does and a Starmer government mucks up the economy we could even have UK PM Farage in 5-10 years or so
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,085
    Heathener said:

    Looks pretty plausible to me.

    I’ve just broken the 1 image rule. Please @TSE don’t banish me to the outer darkness. It was, after all, to post up the MRP poll finding ;)
    I fessed up as soon as I realised.

    Mea culpa

    xx
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Reform "breaking through" would involve a whole load of Jared O'Mara replays over the next two years.

    "Why no, we had no idea that our carefully vetted candidate for Penistone & Stocksbridge, A. Dolph Hilter, had such extreme views. How could we ever have foreseen that?"
    If we’re getting two or three hundred new MPs, there’s almost certainly an O’Mara in there somewhere.

    It still astonishes me that political parties can’t effectively vet MP candidates. If they can afford £500 for their deposit, they can afford £500 more to have someone read the last decade of their Twitter account.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    Farage overall favourability was -37 in the most recent yougov survey. Slightly better than Sunak, Hunt or Gove, but not a great baseline for progress.

    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49179-political-tracker-roundup-april-2024
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,085

    Yes you have shown self restraint, although it just isn't Heathener over the last few days.
    This is the first time I’ve double imaged in a day.

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,617
    Leon said:

    It’s not a new thing. Indeed it’s been around since at least the English Civil War and the regicide

    “Every revolution devours its children”
    Indeed. I was at Naseby last week aamof.
  • PedestrianRockPedestrianRock Posts: 587
    edited June 2024
    Will post on new thread
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,140
    kjh said:

    I despair of these MRP polls. There is no way that Lab and LDs are tied 3% behind the Tories in Woking. This is a Tory/LD fight. Until a few weeks ago I would have said Tories holding on just, now I think the LDs will win it, but really Lab should be absolutely nowhere.

    The council is 24 LD, 0 Con, 1 Lab, 5 Ind. Labour were defending 1 seat in May and lost it.

    The last GE was 26K Con, 17K LD, 9K Lab

    And the LDs are targeting it. In what world are Lab challengers here?
    Don't forget what happened in Hastings in 1997. Everyone thought the Tories would lose it to the LDs, but Labour came from third place. Same thing happened in Shrewsbury IIRC.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,540

    The Conservative candidate in Clacton is Giles Watling. He's 71 and the brother of Deborah Watling, who played Victoria along side the second Doctor in Doctor Who. He has also acted and appears in a Doctor Who audio play: https://www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/doctor-who-the-secret-history-872

    So the alternative to Farage is someone who likes to go back in time?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    There goes the copium....

    There are two important things to note when comparing Scottish data from this MRP to our previous, non-election campaign, models. Firstly, this is the largest Scottish sample that YouGov have used for an MRP since the 2019 general election. This gives us much more detail in terms of what is happening seat to seat. As well, we have been able to update some of the MRP target data with newly released 2022 Scottish census data.

    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49606-first-yougov-mrp-of-2024-general-election-shows-labour-on-track-to-beat-1997-landslide

  • ScarpiaScarpia Posts: 76
    edited June 2024



    ...Reform "breaking through" would involve a whole load of Jared O'Mara replays over the next two years.

    "Why no, we had no idea that our carefully vetted candidate for Penistone & Stocksbridge, A. Dolph Hilter, had such extreme views. How could we ever have foreseen that?"

    Indeed. It's worth looking past the bios on the ReFuk website and googling the relevant local newspaper archives to get a flavour of what might come
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,192
    Scott_xP said:

    DON'T PANIC!

    @montie

    THIS IS THE WORST POSSIBLE NIGHTMARE FOR THE CONSERVATIVES.
    The party should have dumped Sunak.

    And if that didn’t work do they dump them. No way that approach would have made things anything but worse. Also the idea voters are flocking to the centre left because the Tories weren’t right wing enough, which is the underlying inference, is so monumentally stupid it defies belief anyone can suggest it.
  • Looking at my area, not much sign of tactical voting being that effective e.g.

    Wokingham - LD 34, Con 34, Lab 17
    Maidenhead - LD 34, Con 31, Lab 19
    Earley and Woodley - Lab 34, Con 30, LD 19
    Windsor - Con 33, Lab 26, LD 22

    So a glimmer of hop for Con, if they can get a modest swingback BUT it can also get worse with improved tactical voting.

    I was initially surprised at the Maidenhead forecast but I know Theresa May was very popular so her going may have made the difference.

  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,825
    edited June 2024

    Will post on new thread

    Edit
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,140
    edited June 2024

    The destruction of the Tories is a fait accompli now that Nigel has flicked his mighty fingers. The question now is where does Sir Keir go from here? Voters who were repelled by his wokery now have a home. We may see them abandon Labour in droves. This is a perilous moment for Sir Keir. Labour might even go for the nuclear option and replace him with a more Blue Labour type. The political universe has been upended. There are no longer any certainties.
    Maybe that's why Starmer was talking today about his willingness to use nuclear weapons. He was expecting the Farage announcement.
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,359
    Andy_JS said:

    Why do you say Brexit? It's failing to control migration, unless you think those are one and the same thing.
    Brexit is part of the Conservative difficulty if not quite top of the list, because no perceived gain, all apparent problem. Those who do the dirty work tend to get the jail time.

    The biggest issue though is that people are just tired of them and the internal bullshit merry go-round of the party, thats what will make the defeat as big as its likely to be. 140 mentioned below, too low though, I'd reckon c170

  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,581
    TOPPING said:

    Indeed. I was at Naseby last week aamof.
    You missed the fight then?
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,198

    Do we know the fieldwork dates?
    24 May to June 1 @Anabobazina
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,331
    Heathener said:

    That was one of my ? about the MiC one. 35 seats for SNP looks unlikely and just isn’t in tune with the current Scottish trajectory, where bad news seems to be tumbling out for the Nats on an almost daily basis.
    The total lack of money is now a serious problem for the SNP
  • Con predicted to only have 5 seats left in London - Orpington, Bexley, Hornchurch, Ruislip and Sutton!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,485
    edited June 2024
    ...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,140
    edited June 2024

    Is it possible that Nigel could even end up as PM? Surely every single Tory voter will now vote for him (why would they stick with Rishi? What's the point?). Meanwhile, the lower classes now have an anti-Tory party to support that isn't led by tedious, woke, uninspiring Keith Whatsizname, whom they presumably never actually liked. This could be seismic.

    No, that won't happen. Not enough support. But it makes a Lab/LD coalition more likely, which is my preferred option.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,342
    Andy_JS said:

    Don't forget what happened in Hastings in 1997. Everyone thought the Tories would lose it to the LDs, but Labour came from third place. Same thing happened in Shrewsbury IIRC.
    St. Albans, too.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,135
    edited June 2024
    Sandpit said:

    Yes, it’s effing scary if someone wants to target you. It’s gone very quickly from fakes of Obama and Rogan, to pretty much anyone who’s spoken in to a microphone for a few minutes. Anyone with any record of public speaking should be worried at this point, and the rest of us are not far behind.
    They can call you and get you to talk for a bit and that might be enough.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,140
    edited June 2024

    Con predicted to only have 5 seats left in London - Orpington, Bexley, Hornchurch, Ruislip and Sutton!

    Even Romford? Bad result for the LDs not to get Sutton back.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,140
    Chameleon said:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GPKQXD-XQAAxLYu?format=jpg&name=large

    Map above - useless hex map showing rough estimates below: https://yougov.co.uk/elections/uk/2024
    Thanks Chameleon.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,135
    Heathener said:

    When do postal votes start going out?

    As soon as the ballot papers can be printed after nominations close on the 7th I hope.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    The destruction of the Tories is a fait accompli now that Nigel has flicked his mighty fingers. The question now is where does Sir Keir go from here? Voters who were repelled by his wokery now have a home. We may see them abandon Labour in droves. This is a perilous moment for Sir Keir. Labour might even go for the nuclear option and replace him with a more Blue Labour type. The political universe has been upended. There are no longer any certainties.
    "We may see" doing more heavy lifting here, than a massive Lithuanian at a power-lifting jamboree.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Even Romford? Bad result for the LDs not to get Sutton back.
    Romford - Lab 36, Con 34,Ref 17, LD 7, Green 6
    Sutton - Con 30, LD 27, Lab 22, Ref 11, Green 8
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Cicero said:

    The total lack of money is now a serious problem for the SNP
    Perhaps PB can help out, by purchasing that RV for use as long-awaited PB Bottle Bus & Traveling Dinner Theatre of the Absurd?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,955
    Ghedebrav said:

    The Human Centipede sequel nobody is asking for.
    I tried to get the voters attention by blinking in morse code...
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,233

    Perhaps PB can help out, by purchasing that RV for use as long-awaited PB Bottle Bus & Traveling Dinner Theatre of the Absurd?
    I can remap it for more power. Maybe do DPF and EGR deletes.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Taz said:

    24 May to June 1 @Anabobazina
    Thanks. Quite fresh numbers then.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,392
    Andy_JS said:

    Don't forget what happened in Hastings in 1997. Everyone thought the Tories would lose it to the LDs, but Labour came from third place. Same thing happened in Shrewsbury IIRC.
    Yes but in Woking Labour have only one very small concentrated area of support (very established Muslim votes around the oldest mosque in the country) in Woking and the LDs squeezed that out is existence at the last locals due to Gaza.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,392
    edited June 2024

    Looking at my area, not much sign of tactical voting being that effective e.g.

    Wokingham - LD 34, Con 34, Lab 17
    Maidenhead - LD 34, Con 31, Lab 19
    Earley and Woodley - Lab 34, Con 30, LD 19
    Windsor - Con 33, Lab 26, LD 22

    So a glimmer of hop for Con, if they can get a modest swingback BUT it can also get worse with improved tactical voting.

    I was initially surprised at the Maidenhead forecast but I know Theresa May was very popular so her going may have made the difference.

    Maidenhead used to be a very tight Con/LD marginal going back a few elections.

    Re Sutton, I don't know anything about it but I would be surprised if the LDs miss this and gain others down the list.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,934

    Best British soul music album of all time?

    I can't think of anything that comes close to Linda Lewis's 1972 offering "Lark"

    I love the description of her in a Rolling Stone article from 73:

    "Linda Lewis has this very strange voice. It's like a little girl's: high, with a breathy sort of purity, full of recklessness and wit. But it also has an unexpectedly rough texture which cuts into the little-girl quality so that, while she sounds like no one else, there are moments when she feels like early Stevie Wonder crossed with Michael Jackson — an extraordinary combination"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lark_(album)

    This is the opening track, Spring Song

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6WBcNuvkPI

    I urge you all to enjoy the full album; it's excellent from start to finish

    Essex girl Linda died last Spring. She should be fondly remembered


    Linda was Cat Stevens's long time girlfriend. She features in the video of Remember the Days of the Old School Yard, she looks gorgeous, remarkably the female vocalist on the track is Elkie Brooks, although Linda did her own version.

    Now calm down you Tory snowflakes, Brave Sir Nigel has been defeated seven, yes seven times in his quest for HoC glory. Eighth time unlucky?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,195
    edited June 2024
    Heathener said:

    I fessed up as soon as I realised.

    Mea culpa

    xx
    If it's any consolation I think that is me and @Leon as well today.

    I probed the limit and ... unused image quota turns into a pumpkin at midnight.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,195
    Looking at the list of 7 parties for the BBC debate, I wonder what it needs to get in.

    An MP in Parliament, perhaps - yet no NI parties.

    What about local parties? Obvs OK since Plaid Cymru are in, I think.

    Yet the Ashfield Independents have nearly 50 Councillors. (Being, according to me, approx 32 District and 10 County.) *

    * I may be slightly over-boosting the District, here.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,955

    There’s still time for Farage to fire him as leader and stand himself.
    (narrator: you'll never guess what happens next...)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,195
    That YouGov MRP has the whole of Notts and Derbys turning Red.

    Except Newark.
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