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    Eabhal said:

    ToryJim said:

    🚨🚨 Our first @Moreincommon_ @TheNewsAgents MRP of the campaign projects a Labour majority of 114
    🔴 Labour 382 (+180)
    🔵 Conservative 180 (-185)
    🟠 Lib Dem 30 (+19)
    🟡 SNP 35 (-13)
    🟢Plaid 3 (-1)
    🟩 Green 1 (-)
    Changes on 2019 actual seat totals

    Starting to get interesting!
    This smells right to me.
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    We must now not under-sell the idea the Tories will poll less by polling day than when they started.
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    londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,449
    ToryJim said:

    🚨🚨 Our first @Moreincommon_ @TheNewsAgents MRP of the campaign projects a Labour majority of 114
    🔴 Labour 382 (+180)
    🔵 Conservative 180 (-185)
    🟠 Lib Dem 30 (+19)
    🟡 SNP 35 (-13)
    🟢Plaid 3 (-1)
    🟩 Green 1 (-)
    Changes on 2019 actual seat totals

    It's in line with what I am expecting. Most CON supporters would privately take this!
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    Danny_FortDanny_Fort Posts: 5
    algarkirk said:


    Which party would a young, ambitious, talented person join who has centre type views, sees a whole crowd of the ambitious peers joining Labour, wants to spot a gap in the market for political careers and wants to be MP for a Lincolnshire/southern rural seat? The Tories are currently the only option.

    I've no idea about those localities, but if Labour win a landslide (which they won't) I would have thought mostly THEY would be the party for ambitious young non-mouthfoaming rightwingers to join.

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    AbandonedHopeAbandonedHope Posts: 110
    ToryJim said:

    🚨🚨 Our first @Moreincommon_ @TheNewsAgents MRP of the campaign projects a Labour majority of 114
    🔴 Labour 382 (+180)
    🔵 Conservative 180 (-185)
    🟠 Lib Dem 30 (+19)
    🟡 SNP 35 (-13)
    🟢Plaid 3 (-1)
    🟩 Green 1 (-)
    Changes on 2019 actual seat totals

    This will probably be the kindest poll for the Conservatives today.

    By "kindest", I mean they'll only be slaughtered. Not totally destroyed.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 26,233
    ToryJim said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @JasonGroves1

    NEW: Penny Mordaunt to represent the Conservative Party in Friday night's 7-way TV debate on the BBC

    Might actually be worth watching. Good audition for the post election leadership contest not that on this polling she has a prayer of featuring.
    She has a record of fluffing big speeches and debates, will be interesting to see if she pulls this out of the bag.
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,105

    ToryJim said:

    🚨🚨 Our first @Moreincommon_ @TheNewsAgents MRP of the campaign projects a Labour majority of 114
    🔴 Labour 382 (+180)
    🔵 Conservative 180 (-185)
    🟠 Lib Dem 30 (+19)
    🟡 SNP 35 (-13)
    🟢Plaid 3 (-1)
    🟩 Green 1 (-)
    Changes on 2019 actual seat totals

    Do you have a link?
    https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/general-election-2024/mrp/
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 21,466
    Farage becomes leader of Reform.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 21,466
    edited June 3
    Will Farage’s promotion actually make much difference? He was President anyway wasn’t he? I guess many people already think he is the leader!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,306

    Farage becomes leader of Reform.

    Assuming direct control.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,418
    ToryJim said:

    🚨🚨 Our first @Moreincommon_ @TheNewsAgents MRP of the campaign projects a Labour majority of 114
    🔴 Labour 382 (+180)
    🔵 Conservative 180 (-185)
    🟠 Lib Dem 30 (+19)
    🟡 SNP 35 (-13)
    🟢Plaid 3 (-1)
    🟩 Green 1 (-)
    Changes on 2019 actual seat totals

    SNP holding third party status.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,921
    ToryJim said:

    ToryJim said:

    🚨🚨 Our first @Moreincommon_ @TheNewsAgents MRP of the campaign projects a Labour majority of 114
    🔴 Labour 382 (+180)
    🔵 Conservative 180 (-185)
    🟠 Lib Dem 30 (+19)
    🟡 SNP 35 (-13)
    🟢Plaid 3 (-1)
    🟩 Green 1 (-)
    Changes on 2019 actual seat totals

    Do you have a link?
    https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/general-election-2024/mrp/
    Ta.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,054

    Farage becomes leader of Reform.

    Is that so he can appear in debates
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,392
    Sean_F said:

    ToryJim said:

    🚨🚨 Our first @Moreincommon_ @TheNewsAgents MRP of the campaign projects a Labour majority of 114
    🔴 Labour 382 (+180)
    🔵 Conservative 180 (-185)
    🟠 Lib Dem 30 (+19)
    🟡 SNP 35 (-13)
    🟢Plaid 3 (-1)
    🟩 Green 1 (-)
    Changes on 2019 actual seat totals

    I'm guessing that implies vote shares of c.42% to 30%.
    14 point lead I think Luke said. 42 28
    10,000 sample during April and 5000 since GE called to account for changes
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    EabhalEabhal Posts: 6,745
    5 minutes is a long time in politics
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    ToryJim said:

    🚨🚨 Our first @Moreincommon_ @TheNewsAgents MRP of the campaign projects a Labour majority of 114
    🔴 Labour 382 (+180)
    🔵 Conservative 180 (-185)
    🟠 Lib Dem 30 (+19)
    🟡 SNP 35 (-13)
    🟢Plaid 3 (-1)
    🟩 Green 1 (-)
    Changes on 2019 actual seat totals

    This will probably be the kindest poll for the Conservatives today.

    By "kindest", I mean they'll only be slaughtered. Not totally destroyed.
    It's not great is it? I mean it's not quite as bad as 1997 but it's pretty close.
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,971

    Eabhal said:

    ToryJim said:

    🚨🚨 Our first @Moreincommon_ @TheNewsAgents MRP of the campaign projects a Labour majority of 114
    🔴 Labour 382 (+180)
    🔵 Conservative 180 (-185)
    🟠 Lib Dem 30 (+19)
    🟡 SNP 35 (-13)
    🟢Plaid 3 (-1)
    🟩 Green 1 (-)
    Changes on 2019 actual seat totals

    Starting to get interesting!
    This smells right to me.
    SNP figure looks high.
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,947

    Farage becomes leader of Reform.

    Is he actually standing to be an MP then?
    If not, he's not showing much leadership, is he?
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 11,289
    Icarus said:




    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    Sean_F said:

    It's looking as if the Conservatives have reached the same point as the Liberals in 1924. They just don't speak for anyone, anymore. I wonder what comes next.

    A new centre right party.
    If you are aged about 16-late 20s, are interested in a career in politics and want to be ahead of the curve then this - and the next 12-24 months - could be the time to very quietly join the Conservative party and get yourself involved. They have a better chance than any other currently identifiable group of being the political in-crowd in 10-15 years time.

    It's known as 'buying on the dips'.
    Have you seen Conservative favourability amongst the young, and that is counting the middle aged as young. Can't imagine the oddities who are today's young conservatives as they were truly weird ten+ years ago.
    Agree, of course. But unless we enter a one party state we are going to have two parties, and one of them is going to be the successor to Heseltine/Clarke/Thatcher/Patten/Hunt. Let's call it centre right.

    Which party would a young, ambitious, talented person join who has centre type views, sees a whole crowd of the ambitious peers joining Labour, wants to spot a gap in the market for political careers and wants to be MP for a Lincolnshire/southern rural seat? The Tories are currently the only option.
    Think it already exists - it is called the Labour Party.
    Noted. I'm asking the question about a two party state and what is the likely name of the second one.
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    londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,449
    Not sure Nigel being leader will make much difference

    In the end most people saying REF in the polls will go back to CON. With some going to LAB

    No seats or close 2nds for REF
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,928
    tlg86 said:

    Warmest May on record. Being scoffed at on Twitter, but my guess is that the night time temperatures haven't been all that low.

    They shouldn’t have banned sulphur from the fuel of large ships.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/may/30/termination-shock-cut-in-ship-pollution-sparked-global-heating-spurt
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,392

    Sean_F said:

    ToryJim said:

    🚨🚨 Our first @Moreincommon_ @TheNewsAgents MRP of the campaign projects a Labour majority of 114
    🔴 Labour 382 (+180)
    🔵 Conservative 180 (-185)
    🟠 Lib Dem 30 (+19)
    🟡 SNP 35 (-13)
    🟢Plaid 3 (-1)
    🟩 Green 1 (-)
    Changes on 2019 actual seat totals

    I'm guessing that implies vote shares of c.42% to 30%.
    14 point lead I think Luke said. 42 28
    10,000 sample during April and 5000 since GE called to account for changes
    Sorry 43 to 29, which is the highest equal Tory share this year
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 46,045

    Sean_F said:

    ToryJim said:

    🚨🚨 Our first @Moreincommon_ @TheNewsAgents MRP of the campaign projects a Labour majority of 114
    🔴 Labour 382 (+180)
    🔵 Conservative 180 (-185)
    🟠 Lib Dem 30 (+19)
    🟡 SNP 35 (-13)
    🟢Plaid 3 (-1)
    🟩 Green 1 (-)
    Changes on 2019 actual seat totals

    I'm guessing that implies vote shares of c.42% to 30%.
    14 point lead I think Luke said. 42 28
    10,000 sample during April and 5000 since GE called to account for changes
    A bit historic in parts, before the drowned rat launch...
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 49,214
    He's surely got to stand if he's going to be leader. Maybe they want to tease it out longer so he can announce the seat separately.
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    TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,821
    Tice has been completely undermined, and unless Farage finds somewhere fast he's going to look almost as stupid. A leader not leading.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 12,024

    ToryJim said:

    🚨🚨 Our first @Moreincommon_ @TheNewsAgents MRP of the campaign projects a Labour majority of 114
    🔴 Labour 382 (+180)
    🔵 Conservative 180 (-185)
    🟠 Lib Dem 30 (+19)
    🟡 SNP 35 (-13)
    🟢Plaid 3 (-1)
    🟩 Green 1 (-)
    Changes on 2019 actual seat totals

    This will probably be the kindest poll for the Conservatives today.

    By "kindest", I mean they'll only be slaughtered. Not totally destroyed.
    It's not great is it? I mean it's not quite as bad as 1997 but it's pretty close.
    Feels wildly optimistic for the Conservatives to me.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,411

    ToryJim said:

    🚨🚨 Our first @Moreincommon_ @TheNewsAgents MRP of the campaign projects a Labour majority of 114
    🔴 Labour 382 (+180)
    🔵 Conservative 180 (-185)
    🟠 Lib Dem 30 (+19)
    🟡 SNP 35 (-13)
    🟢Plaid 3 (-1)
    🟩 Green 1 (-)
    Changes on 2019 actual seat totals

    This will probably be the kindest poll for the Conservatives today.

    By "kindest", I mean they'll only be slaughtered. Not totally destroyed.
    If that were the outcome, it would almost feel like a victory, expectations are so low.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,054
    ToryJim said:
    Humiliation for Tice then
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 12,172
    ToryJim said:

    🚨🚨 Our first @Moreincommon_ @TheNewsAgents MRP of the campaign projects a Labour majority of 114
    🔴 Labour 382 (+180)
    🔵 Conservative 180 (-185)
    🟠 Lib Dem 30 (+19)
    🟡 SNP 35 (-13)
    🟢Plaid 3 (-1)
    🟩 Green 1 (-)
    Changes on 2019 actual seat totals

    That's far from where the Lib Dems would be hoping to be
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,365
    Think Farage scents blood and has realised this is a once-in-a-century chance to kill off a major party, similar to what Labour did to the Liberals in the 1920s.
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,947

    ToryJim said:
    Humiliation for Tice then
    Tice bitten, once shy.
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,563
    Tice is such a beta cuck
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,521

    Think Farage scents blood and has realised this is a once-in-a-century chance to kill off a major party, similar to what Labour did to the Liberals in the 1920s.

    Nah, this was the plan all along. Pretend everyone is asking him to run etc.
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,305
    edited June 3

    Think Farage scents blood and has realised this is a once-in-a-century chance to kill off a major party, similar to what Labour did to the Liberals in the 1920s.

    More like he'll get a few trinkets from the tories like ECHR, etc. in exchange for standing down in a few hundred seats.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 21,466

    Farage becomes leader of Reform.

    Is he actually standing to be an MP then?
    If not, he's not showing much leadership, is he?
    Farage to stand!
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,105

    ToryJim said:
    Humiliation for Tice then
    At least he’s no longer being fisted up to the diaphragm to get him reading from Farage’s script.
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    AbandonedHopeAbandonedHope Posts: 110

    ToryJim said:

    🚨🚨 Our first @Moreincommon_ @TheNewsAgents MRP of the campaign projects a Labour majority of 114
    🔴 Labour 382 (+180)
    🔵 Conservative 180 (-185)
    🟠 Lib Dem 30 (+19)
    🟡 SNP 35 (-13)
    🟢Plaid 3 (-1)
    🟩 Green 1 (-)
    Changes on 2019 actual seat totals

    This will probably be the kindest poll for the Conservatives today.

    By "kindest", I mean they'll only be slaughtered. Not totally destroyed.
    It's not great is it? I mean it's not quite as bad as 1997 but it's pretty close.
    Perhaps the comparisons to 1997 have been right all along. I can't help but think that it's being overly generous to the Tories though.
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,563

    Think Farage scents blood and has realised this is a once-in-a-century chance to kill off a major party, similar to what Labour did to the Liberals in the 1920s.

    Or his US horse has been shot and he needs to jump-start his domestic grift.
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 12,172

    Think Farage scents blood and has realised this is a once-in-a-century chance to kill off a major party, similar to what Labour did to the Liberals in the 1920s.

    7th place in the election is a real possibility for Reform
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    MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,523
    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    Sean_F said:

    It's looking as if the Conservatives have reached the same point as the Liberals in 1924. They just don't speak for anyone, anymore. I wonder what comes next.

    A new centre right party.
    If you are aged about 16-late 20s, are interested in a career in politics and want to be ahead of the curve then this - and the next 12-24 months - could be the time to very quietly join the Conservative party and get yourself involved. They have a better chance than any other currently identifiable group of being the political in-crowd in 10-15 years time.

    It's known as 'buying on the dips'.
    Have you seen Conservative favourability amongst the young, and that is counting the middle aged as young. Can't imagine the oddities who are today's young conservatives as they were truly weird ten+ years ago.
    Agree, of course. But unless we enter a one party state we are going to have two parties, and one of them is going to be the successor to Heseltine/Clarke/Thatcher/Patten/Hunt. Let's call it centre right.

    Which party would a young, ambitious, talented person join who has centre type views, sees a whole crowd of the ambitious peers joining Labour, wants to spot a gap in the market for political careers and wants to be MP for a Lincolnshire/southern rural seat? The Tories are currently the only option.
    IF we assume voting patterns are hard to change and the young are disinclined to vote Conservative I'm not sure. I can see your point but to join in the nadir of a party suffering from natural attrition of its voting block seems a gamble for the future SPAD.

    It upsets me but I can see the Labour party becoming En Marche like and squatting on the centre. The blowback being an invigorated Conservative-Reform hybrid and an enraged Green-ex Lab coalition.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,054
    Farage stands in CLACTON
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 21,466
    CLACTON

    END OF THE PIER SHOW!
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 16,614

    Can some Baxter that Redfield poll for me?

    Lab 538 (+341)
    Cons 24 (-352)
    Lib 51 (+43)
    Ref 0 (0)
    Green 1 (0)
    SNP 14 (-34)
    PC 4 (+2)

    I step away from the computer for a couple of hours and the Tories are... well... the words "Stepmom" and "Pornhub" come to mind.
    The thing is that Redfield and Wilton poll could be wrong. Very wrong. And it could still be the Tories worst election result essentially since the Tories first existed, something like 28% of the vote and 140 seats.
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    londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,449
    Farage standing in Clacton simply gives it to LAB.

    Don't forget LAB won it in 1997 (then known as Harwich)
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,365
    edited June 3
    ToryJim said:

    ToryJim said:
    Humiliation for Tice then
    At least he’s no longer being fisted up to the diaphragm to get him reading from Farage’s script.
    It's a whole chain of fists really. Putin > Trump > Farage > Tice
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 41,123

    Carnyx said:

    Sean_F said:

    It's looking as if the Conservatives have reached the same point as the Liberals in 1924. They just don't speak for anyone, anymore. I wonder what comes next.

    A great grandchild of Boris falling off a paddle board c.2124?
    What comes next? National Conservatives, Unionist Conservatives, Indpeendent Conservatives, Con-Labs, and a book 'The strange death of Conservative England'.
    Has to be a murdered dog somewhere in the mix.
    Possibly cooked and eaten.

    Lol, Tories sinking

    Labour 46% (–)
    Conservative 20% (-3)
    Reform UK 14% (+1)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (+1)
    Green 5% (–)
    Scottish National Party 2% (-1)
    Other 2% (-1)

    Redfield

    Yeah at this stage my prediction they wouldn’t sink below 150 seats is looking rocky…

    Campaign looks to be focussing minds, but against them.
    True enough, but are they really 13% behind with the over 65s? Noone else other than Techne has them losing the grey vote. Redfields age curve is ridiculously flat.
    That's not to say wrong but I just don't buy it, and it's been consistent with them for weeks.
    It seems unlikely, but it's not implausible that my fellow +65s have shifted to Labour a bit. I'm not sure that the Tories are offering that age group much more than Labour are - the unfreezing of the tax allowance for state pensioners is small beer. And for many of us oldies, improving the NHS is the most urgent need.

    And, I've said this before but will say it again, many of us oldies vote with our children and grandchildren in mind - not just our own interests. The Tories haven't offered mine much to write home about.
    Quite so. Remember those four wordclouds from different age groups. The NHS was top for the oldies.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 49,629
    This could destroy the Tories FOREVER
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 12,172

    Farage stands in CLACTON

    A Mack was always on a shoogly peg :lol:
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,285
    tlg86 said:

    Warmest May on record. Being scoffed at on Twitter, but my guess is that the night time temperatures haven't been all that low.

    May 1833 had a higher Central England Temperature. Must be Scotland making the difference.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,521
    Managed to get £4 on Reform at 2-1 in Clacton before Bet365 pulled the market.
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    AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,200

    Sean_F said:

    ToryJim said:

    🚨🚨 Our first @Moreincommon_ @TheNewsAgents MRP of the campaign projects a Labour majority of 114
    🔴 Labour 382 (+180)
    🔵 Conservative 180 (-185)
    🟠 Lib Dem 30 (+19)
    🟡 SNP 35 (-13)
    🟢Plaid 3 (-1)
    🟩 Green 1 (-)
    Changes on 2019 actual seat totals

    I'm guessing that implies vote shares of c.42% to 30%.
    14 point lead I think Luke said. 42 28
    10,000 sample during April and 5000 since GE called to account for changes
    The MRP model is based on voting intention data collected between 9 April and 29 May from 15,089 adults in Great Britain.
    https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/general-election-2024/mrp/

    Fieldwork spread over 7 weeks! This isn't really comparable to other recent polls, then - and, perhaps, is adding more heat than light...
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 21,466
    Farage to be leader for next five years. His goal is seemingly to destroy the Tory Party.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 41,123
    edited June 3
    algarkirk said:

    Sean_F said:

    It's looking as if the Conservatives have reached the same point as the Liberals in 1924. They just don't speak for anyone, anymore. I wonder what comes next.

    A new centre right party.
    If you are aged about 16-late 20s, are interested in a career in politics and want to be ahead of the curve then this - and the next 12-24 months - could be the time to very quietly join the Conservative party and get yourself involved. They have a better chance than any other currently identifiable group of being the political in-crowd in 10-15 years time.

    It's known as 'buying on the dips'.
    Or being a Commander in the Royal Navy, with some experience of action, when the Peace of Amiens ends.

    Of course, it might turn out to be the equivalent of 1814 instead of 1804.

    Just think of this famous cartoon of a young trainee naval officer c. 1816: the joke being that middies had no half pay.

    https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-127857
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    londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,449
    Leon said:

    This could destroy the Tories FOREVER

    Or maybe it won't...
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    LeonLeon Posts: 49,629

    Leon said:

    This could destroy the Tories FOREVER

    Or maybe it won't...
    lol. Bye bye
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,563

    ToryJim said:

    ToryJim said:
    Humiliation for Tice then
    At least he’s no longer being fisted up to the diaphragm to get him reading from Farage’s script.
    It's a whole chain of fists really. Putin > Trump > Farage > Tice
    The Human Centipede sequel nobody is asking for.
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    nico679nico679 Posts: 5,476
    That’s it game over for Sunak .

    Apparently he orders chicken and chips from Nandos , ok good so far then he says broccoli with it ! Who in their right mind orders broccoli with Nandos .
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,105

    Farage becomes leader of Reform.

    Is he actually standing to be an MP then?
    If not, he's not showing much leadership, is he?
    Farage to stand!
    So every journalist should be asking him why just days ago he was saying he needed 6 months to build a campaign and get all the data. How can voters trust him if he isn’t even consistent from one week to the next? Isn’t he just using the voters of Clacton as padding for his ego etc etc.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 28,765
    Clever feint by Farage to make it look like he wasn't standing.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,928
    Did anyone really think Farage wasn’t running?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,285
    Game over for the Tories. Hope noone bought them on the spreads !
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    El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,151
    This is outstandingly good news for the LibDems. Every percentage point Reform takes off the Tories in the supposed Blue Wall gets the LibDems a percentage point closer to taking the seat.

    For Labour it's more of a mixed bag I suspect: Farage will be taking votes from them as well as the Tories.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 49,629
    It’s so sad for the Tories tho. Everyone loves them and they are so determined to do their best and they really tried and

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,054
    nico679 said:

    That’s it game over for Sunak .

    Apparently he orders chicken and chips from Nandos , ok good so far then he says broccoli with it ! Who in their right mind orders broccoli with Nandos .

    I would just say it was over for Sunak long ago
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,927
    The Farage Show begins….

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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,448
    Chris said:

    Eabhal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @DPJHodges

    Incredible that Labour are pushing on defence and the Tories are pushing on gender reform. The entire framing of the Conservative campaign is wrong. It's not even a core vote strategy any more. There's no strategy. It's a series of wild, random announcements.

    My working theory is that current Conservative voters are approx 3x closer to Labour than they are to Reform on social issues.

    Any attempt to bag Reform voters using culture war stuff is highly risky. I'd stick with broader economic/demographic factors like inheritance, house values, even a last ditch attempt to defend their record on the NHS (massive increase in spending etc). This is where Conservative and Reform voters are most similar.
    I'd have thought one danger would be that Reform might start fighting back - for example by turning the spotlight on the huge rate of legal immigration under the Tories, and condemning the Rwanda scheme as the dishonest gimmick it is.

    Farage's announcement may be interesting.
    Spooky.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 21,466

    Leon said:

    This could destroy the Tories FOREVER

    Or maybe it won't...
    Genuine question, will Farage’s leadership and candidacy actually make much difference? Nige was Lino anyway.
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    Big_IanBig_Ian Posts: 63

    Farage to be leader for next five years. His goal is seemingly to destroy the Tory Party.

    Or to replace it
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,392
    AlsoLei said:

    Sean_F said:

    ToryJim said:

    🚨🚨 Our first @Moreincommon_ @TheNewsAgents MRP of the campaign projects a Labour majority of 114
    🔴 Labour 382 (+180)
    🔵 Conservative 180 (-185)
    🟠 Lib Dem 30 (+19)
    🟡 SNP 35 (-13)
    🟢Plaid 3 (-1)
    🟩 Green 1 (-)
    Changes on 2019 actual seat totals

    I'm guessing that implies vote shares of c.42% to 30%.
    14 point lead I think Luke said. 42 28
    10,000 sample during April and 5000 since GE called to account for changes
    The MRP model is based on voting intention data collected between 9 April and 29 May from 15,089 adults in Great Britain.
    https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/general-election-2024/mrp/

    Fieldwork spread over 7 weeks! This isn't really comparable to other recent polls, then - and, perhaps, is adding more heat than light...
    5000 since the election was called to try and smooth any movement since the April polling of 10,000
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    nico679nico679 Posts: 5,476
    edited June 3
    Not sure Farage standing in Clacton makes much difference . The fact he’s now the official head of Reform means he’ll l get even more media attention .
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 49,214
    Shaking up the election like this after the Tories have already tried and failed to attract Reform voters could turn out to be a brilliant strategy. Farage has ensured he gets more attention than he otherwise would have done.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,285

    This is outstandingly good news for the LibDems. Every percentage point Reform takes off the Tories in the supposed Blue Wall gets the LibDems a percentage point closer to taking the seat.

    For Labour it's more of a mixed bag I suspect: Farage will be taking votes from them as well as the Tories.

    The biggest (And this makes sense) factor in determining the Lib Dem seat count is the % gap in VI between themselves and the Tories I believe.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 49,629
    Farage is the most naturally gifted politician in the country, now that Boris is gone and discredited and Sturgeon is so humbled and tarnished

    I personally find him quite Marmitey. He can be very offputting, and sometimes that matey smarm is pukeworthy. However he is gifted, no doubt about it
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    CookieCookie Posts: 12,024

    Farage to be leader for next five years. His goal is seemingly to destroy the Tory Party.

    Worth pointing out that he'll take a few votes off Labour too. But probably not in places where it matters. And even if it does it's not like Labour are looking nervously at whether they can make 325 MPs.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 68,392
    nico679 said:

    That’s it game over for Sunak .

    Apparently he orders chicken and chips from Nandos , ok good so far then he says broccoli with it ! Who in their right mind orders broccoli with Nandos .

    FTFY
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    johntjohnt Posts: 133
    Leon said:

    This could destroy the Tories FOREVER

    I think that Farage has picked up on an important point. As the accepted wisdom is now that Starmer has won the Sunak attempts to bully people into voting for him as 'the only alternative to a labour victory' simply do not work. Sunak needs to urgently find something more persuasive to people or he is looking at a very difficult few weeks.
    Problem is I don't think he knows how to change direction.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 68,392
    So Reform get their Dick out because Farage wants to take part in the 7-way debate proving, if proof were needed, that he is the greatest mass debater in British politics?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,281
    edited June 3
    Farage returns as Reform UK leader and candidate for Clacton. Clearly the temptation to overtake Sunak's Tories and lead the main party of the right in the UK and main opposition to a likely Starmer government was too much. If he did so, within a decade unless we switched to PR Reform would almost certainly take over the Tory rump under FPTP as its Canadian cousins did to realign the right in a more populist direction in the UK.

    Some cynics may also say that Trump's conviction reduced his chances of winning in the US and thus Nigel's chances of a job from the next POTUS but I couldn't possibly comment!
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,759

    Farage becomes leader of Reform.

    Is he actually standing to be an MP then?
    If not, he's not showing much leadership, is he?
    Forward lads, I’m right behind you.
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    James_MJames_M Posts: 76
    Did I just hear a career politician lambast career politicians and a self-appointed leader of a political party lambast Sunak for not being elected by MPs?! Couldn't make it up!
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,392
    The assumption Farage as leader is worse for the Tories than Labour is 'brave'.
    The disgruntled Tories have already jumped. The Kipper Labour vote otoh.......
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,563
    The idea that the Tories are dead is nonsense. Even if the horror show Baxterising comes true, they have thousands of councillors and hundreds of Lords and have been the party of government for 32 of the last 45 years.

    They have donors, networks, members, infrastructure. Only five years ago, 14 million people voted for them. They are facing an absolute pasting but not extinction. Not yet, anyway.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 16,614
    edited June 3
    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    Warmest May on record. Being scoffed at on Twitter, but my guess is that the night time temperatures haven't been all that low.

    May 1833 had a higher Central England Temperature. Must be Scotland making the difference.
    UK figures only go back to 1910, I think. At least in the data series the Met Office use for this. Presumably there's a lack of data coverage and lower confidence in the data quality beforehand.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 21,466
    Leon said:

    Farage is the most naturally gifted politician in the country, now that Boris is gone and discredited and Sturgeon is so humbled and tarnished

    I personally find him quite Marmitey. He can be very offputting, and sometimes that matey smarm is pukeworthy. However he is gifted, no doubt about it

    He’s box office. Very entertaining to watch. Quite like the way he takes the royal piss out of the press pack.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 28,765
    Farage wouldn't be standing if the Tories were averaging 28-29%. It's that 23% figure that's done it.
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    ClippPClippP Posts: 1,796
    kjh said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sunak has just retweeted the Lib Dem boat thing, highlighting it to his 2.3 million followers.

    CCHQ have gone bananas

    https://x.com/RishiSunak/status/1797607539452096558?t=0z9mOdFHgody1fohpZlB1Q&s=19

    Us LDs might not (well I think that is pretty certain actually) win the election, but we are having a lot of fun not doing so. We are certainly having a jolly good time in Guildford.
    A lot of fun...... Yes indeed....
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,281

    This is outstandingly good news for the LibDems. Every percentage point Reform takes off the Tories in the supposed Blue Wall gets the LibDems a percentage point closer to taking the seat.

    For Labour it's more of a mixed bag I suspect: Farage will be taking votes from them as well as the Tories.

    Hence Rishi needs a massive IHT cut targeted at bluewall voters, ideally raising the threshold to £2 million. In the redwall though as you say Farage will take some Labour Leave voters as well as Tories to Reform
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 78,056
    edited June 3
    Do the politicial journalists actually listen to speeches?

    Farage spent about 5 minutes explaining the decision for his U-turn (if we believe it or not is another matter). Question from BBC...why did you chance your mind?
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    AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,200
    nico679 said:

    That’s it game over for Sunak .

    Apparently he orders chicken and chips from Nandos , ok good so far then he says broccoli with it ! Who in their right mind orders broccoli with Nandos .

    Oof. I actually really like Nando's lemon & garlic broccoli. With chicken thighs, spicy rice, and x-hot sauce, thanks.
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    HeathenerHeathener Posts: 6,613
    Certainly not dissing the More in Common MRP just because it has the implied lead at 14%.

    However … fieldwork 9-29th May. 2/3rds of the fieldwork was before Sunak called the election :o

    And that kind of shows in their estimate of SNP seats at 35. They’d bite your hand off for 35 seats right now imho.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,054
    Farage has shaken the election but not sure he will even win his seat

    I still think he is hoping to be Trump's UK Ambassador
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,105
    James_M said:

    Did I just hear a career politician lambast career politicians and a self-appointed leader of a political party lambast Sunak for not being elected by MPs?! Couldn't make it up!

    Well quite. Plus this election is about the future of the country not the future of Farage’s ego. Someone in the Tory party should do a clip along the lines of “This election is about you, your hopes, your dreams, whether you get a decent job etc etc don’t let Nigel Farage make this all about him.”
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,563

    Long time reader, first time poster. I used to live in Macclesfield. It was certainly Tory through and through then, and hasn't seen significant demographic change since. Its been Tory for over a century. While my own politics would love to see it change hands, I just don't see where that 93% is coming from.

    Last locals in 2023 saw a slight Conservative lead, though independents muddy it a bit, some of the largest wards like traditionally Tory Tytherington have resident associations. The town itself returns Labour councillors, but much of the seat is more rural, and includes areas like the millionaires row of Prestbury.

    I have bets on the Conservatives at 9/2 in Macclesfield and 6/5 in neighbouring Tatton, a 17,000 majority that is the Cheshire Set all over.

    6/5 for Tatton is decent.
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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 8,804

    Sean_F said:

    ToryJim said:

    🚨🚨 Our first @Moreincommon_ @TheNewsAgents MRP of the campaign projects a Labour majority of 114
    🔴 Labour 382 (+180)
    🔵 Conservative 180 (-185)
    🟠 Lib Dem 30 (+19)
    🟡 SNP 35 (-13)
    🟢Plaid 3 (-1)
    🟩 Green 1 (-)
    Changes on 2019 actual seat totals

    I'm guessing that implies vote shares of c.42% to 30%.
    14 point lead I think Luke said. 42 28
    10,000 sample during April and 5000 since GE called to account for changes
    Luke 42: 28? The Gospel of Luke only has 24 chapters. Did you mean Luke 24: 28? "As they approached the village to which they were going, Jesus continued on as if he were going farther."
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 118,281
    ToryJim said:

    🚨🚨 Our first @Moreincommon_ @TheNewsAgents MRP of the campaign projects a Labour majority of 114
    🔴 Labour 382 (+180)
    🔵 Conservative 180 (-185)
    🟠 Lib Dem 30 (+19)
    🟡 SNP 35 (-13)
    🟢Plaid 3 (-1)
    🟩 Green 1 (-)
    Changes on 2019 actual seat totals

    Tories and Rishi would take that today, a higher seat total than 1997 or 2001 and breathe a sigh of relief.

    However that was before Farage's announcement which could make things interesting again
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,004
    How fascinating that in the end, Brexit utterly destroyed the Conservative party
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