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OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

We were talking yesterday about the far right radicalisation of young white Euro-Americans

Some more evidence, perhaps. ALLEGEDLY this xenophobic song has become a cult hit amongst young white Germans, see here:

https://x.com/maisumcarneiro/status/1793967533818773632

How widespread is this? Dunno. But it is certainly surprising to see apparently affluent white Germans openly doing Hitler moustache-and-salute moves while dancing

Young people are increasingly distant from WW2. Growing up, the war was an ever present reference point in my life, as it had shaped my grandparents' lives, and hung over my parents'. For my kids it's ancient history, like the Boer war was for me. As memories of the war fade I think a lot of the taboos around the far right are fading with them. Perhaps we have to relearn the lessons of where this kind of politics leads.

Anyone can read about WW2. This "distant in time" thing doesn't wash for me.

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

Alanbrooke said:

ToryJim said:

Another Tory flees the battlefield. Greg Clark standing down. Just how many disgusteds are there in his seat?

Thats about 75 of them now and oddly they wont let David Frost stand.

Ah yes, the man who said leaving the Single Market would be a disaster and then negotiated a deal which he now thinks is rubbish.

Maybe he should join Labour, the party headed by the bloke who supported Jezza and then said he didnt agree with anything he previously campaigned on,

While we know a GE precipitates a lot of MPs standing down voluntarily, I'd be interested in seeing some numbers on the rate of this prior to a change in government. IIRC 2010 saw a lot, as did 97. There does seem to be more than usual this time.

Of course, correlation/causation applies but still.

ToryJim said:

Looks like Craig Mackinley is to stand down. It was probably inevitable when you return to work after a life threatening illness and the first thing your boss does is tell you you’re going to have to reapply for your job.

I think a kindness. Mackinnley would certainly lose his seat, although they can't admit it. This way it removes any obligation on him for a gruelling campaign for no purpose, when he should be rehabilitating.

Taz said:

Sandpit said:

Andy_JS said:

More tears at the PO inquiry.

Oh no, how awful this whole process must be for Mrs Vennells…

F**k off you bitch, you’re looking at serious prison time.

Hold on, as we learnt from Rogerdamus the other day, she is the real victim here.

Show some sympathy.

Funnily enough I've just received a reply from Ch4 News. As you'll remember my complaint was that Alex Thompson had gone too far by lifting her umbrella as she was leaving the tribuneral and despite her being clearly upset showed no compassion whatsoever. So for your interest.........

"Thank you for contacting Channel 4 Viewer Enquiries regarding Channel 4 News.

In response to your comments regarding the interview by Alex Thompson, Channel 4 news have responded with the following: We have requested interviews with all the key Post Office Executives to ask questions about their knowledge of the scandal that unfolded. All the executives have been elusive or refused to be held to account publicly. Channel 4 News has been at the forefront of revealing the high level knowledge of miscarriages of justice. It is a matter of the highest public interest to hear from Post Office executives as to why sub postmasters were still being sent to prison when there was senior management knowledge that the Horizon system had computer bugs and there may have been miscarriages of justice. This remains a matter of the highest public interest.

Thank you again for taking the time to contact us. We appreciate all feedback from our viewers; complimentary or otherwise. "

Richard_Tyndall said:

Alanbrooke said:

ToryJim said:

Alanbrooke said:

ToryJim said:

Another Tory flees the battlefield. Greg Clark standing down. Just how many disgusteds are there in his seat?

Thats about 75 of them now and oddly they wont let David Frost stand.

Well nobody has an absolute right to stand for a political party. He can pick any seat he likes and stand as an independent and see what happens.

Of course, but the rate they are losing MPs and not replacing them with anyone with experience looks like bad party management.

Agai worth repeating what I mentioned yesterday. In 2010 Labour had 100 MPs stand down out of 349 at the point the election was called. So 29%ish

The Tories currently look to be having around 80 odd stand down out of 346 - so around 23%. This is not unusual churn after so long in power.

Id go with that and suspect there will be more to come. Rats and sinking ships comes to mind.

Andy_JS said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

We were talking yesterday about the far right radicalisation of young white Euro-Americans

Some more evidence, perhaps. ALLEGEDLY this xenophobic song has become a cult hit amongst young white Germans, see here:

https://x.com/maisumcarneiro/status/1793967533818773632

How widespread is this? Dunno. But it is certainly surprising to see apparently affluent white Germans openly doing Hitler moustache-and-salute moves while dancing

Young people are increasingly distant from WW2. Growing up, the war was an ever present reference point in my life, as it had shaped my grandparents' lives, and hung over my parents'. For my kids it's ancient history, like the Boer war was for me. As memories of the war fade I think a lot of the taboos around the far right are fading with them. Perhaps we have to relearn the lessons of where this kind of politics leads.

Anyone can read about WW2. This "distant in time" thing doesn't wash for me.

No, these things do fade. Young Germans - under 30 - have zero guilt about the war. I’ve noticed it (and I don’t blame them)

It’s a human universal. At some point even the greatest atrocity becomes a quaint or eye raising passage in history books. Some fade away very quickly - the Armenian genocide. Some last much longer like WW2, Nazism and the Holocaust - but they too are now losing emotional force, even in
Germany itself

I read a tweet the other day about young people knowing F all about Anne Frank, for instance

Will the government help deliver Casement Park? Here’s some of what I put to the PM
@RishiSunak
who insisted there will be “significant contribution” from the government… but no clarity on how much or crucially, when

https://x.com/BBCJayneMcC/status/1793968165908799590

The MayBot returns?

RochdalePioneers said:

Alanbrooke said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Alanbrooke said:

Andy_JS said:

ToryJim said:

Another Tory flees the battlefield. Greg Clark standing down. Just how many disgusteds are there in his seat?

Will Boris be tempted?

Its probably about the only chance they've got.

Yes, Boris should Bruce Ismay himself onto a seat. Last second. Then the remaining weeks of the campaign can be all about HIM which is only fitting for the world king and people's PM.

Missed you earlier this morning as Mrs B dragged me out shopping.

Though we often disagree can I wish you the best of luck in the coming campaign and hope you get elected.

Very kind of you.

Had no idea you believed in miracles!

Well if nothing else RP it keeps us in touch with politics. People like myself can play armchair generals but you have at least got off your butt and gone full in. That merits a degree of respect.

MightyAlex said:

Regarding yesterdays IDF library burning photo. Seems there will be an investigation.

Translation from Israeli newspaper:

"A photo of an IDF soldier inside Al-Aqsa University in Gaza City, with books burning behind him, was published in recent hours on networks around the world and caused a stir. Originally, we note, the photo was published without blurring the soldier's face - and it seems that it was originally distributed by the soldiers. A similar case, of burning a Koran book, also happened yesterday in Rafah.

The IDF stated that "this is a serious incident that is not consistent with the values ​​of the IDF and its orders. For the incident, an investigation was opened by the investigating military police, at the end of which the findings will be forwarded to the military attorney's office for examination"

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/hjvhngcmc

Don't worry I won't be posting on Gaza again.

Disappointing, got the impression from several posters and tweeters that this pic was unlikely to be real.

Is this the most moral army in the world version of this meme?

"On Friday, Dame Victoria Sharp, sitting with Lord Justice Holroyde, said they had refused the appeal request.

The reason for the decision was not made public."

https://news.sky.com/story/lucy-letby-denied-permission-to-appeal-against-convictions-for-murdering-seven-babies-13141830

Ghedebrav said:

While we know a GE precipitates a lot of MPs standing down voluntarily, I'd be interested in seeing some numbers on the rate of this prior to a change in government. IIRC 2010 saw a lot, as did 97. There does seem to be more than usual this time.

Of course, correlation/causation applies but
still.

For how long will we be getting these
announcements?

Candidate papers need to be in by Friday 7th
June, so not sure how long Labour / Conservatives have given their MPs to announce (Labour do also have this to some extent, I note Holly Lynch standing down in Halifax, I'm sure a trickle of announcements in other places).

For the Green party, I note the deadline for standing aside is 5th July, at least for Sian Berry.

"Vladimir Putin ready to 'freeze' war in Ukraine with ceasefire recognising recent Russian gains, sources say

Putin reportedly views recent gains in the war as enough to sell a victory to the Russian people, saving him from making unpopular decisions like spending more money and mobilising more people."

https://news.sky.com/story/vladimir-putin-ready-to-freeze-war-in-ukraine-with-ceasefire-recognising-recent-russian-gains-sources-say-13142402

Monksfield said:

Scott_xP said:

@christopherhope
** Exclusive **
Boris Johnson ally David Frost has been banned from standing as Tory candidate in the general election, I understand.
Lord Frost was told yesterday that he cannot apply for any of the 93 vacant seats where the party is yet to nominate a candidate for the July 4 general election, according to his friends.
Frost is a low tax Tory who was one of the architects of former Prime Minister Boris Johnson's Brexit deal.
He was described as "the great Frost" by Johnson for his work on the deal.

This has had me scratching my head for ages. If he wanted to be an MP, why did he take a life peerage. He really is thick as mince.

50% fat mince, to be precise.

Theuniondivvie said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

We were talking yesterday about the far right radicalisation of young white Euro-Americans

Some more evidence, perhaps. ALLEGEDLY this xenophobic song has become a cult hit amongst young white Germans, see here:

https://x.com/maisumcarneiro/status/1793967533818773632

How widespread is this? Dunno. But it is certainly surprising to see apparently affluent white Germans openly doing Hitler moustache-and-salute moves while dancing

Young people are increasingly distant from WW2. Growing up, the war was an ever present reference point in my life, as it had shaped my grandparents' lives, and hung over my parents'. For my kids it's ancient history, like the Boer war was for me. As memories of the war fade I think a lot of the taboos around the far right are fading with them. Perhaps we have to relearn the lessons of where this kind of politics leads.

Anyone can read about WW2. This "distant in time" thing doesn't wash for me.

No, these things do fade. Young Germans - under 30 - have zero guilt about the war. I’ve noticed it (and I don’t blame them)

It’s a human universal. At some point even the greatest atrocity becomes a quaint or eye raising passage in history books. Some fade away very quickly - the Armenian genocide. Some last much longer like WW2, Nazism and the Holocaust - but they too are now losing emotional force, even in
Germany itself

I read a tweet the other day about young people knowing F all about Anne Frank, for instance

Yet the German government seems obsessed about causing no offence to Israel, more so than any other European government afaIcs. I can’t think that isn’t connected to Holocaust guilt.

Engrained systemic policy.

Andy_JS said:

"Vladimir Putin ready to 'freeze' war in Ukraine with ceasefire recognising recent Russian gains, sources say

Putin reportedly views recent gains in the war as enough to sell a victory to the Russian people, saving him from making unpopular decisions like spending more money and mobilising more people."

https://news.sky.com/story/vladimir-putin-ready-to-freeze-war-in-ukraine-with-ceasefire-recognising-recent-russian-gains-sources-say-13142402

Has he got some secret polling that says Biden is going to win?

He must be worried about the US kit finally arriving.

Farooq said:

bondegezou said:

Andy_JS said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

We were talking yesterday about the far right radicalisation of young white Euro-Americans

Some more evidence, perhaps. ALLEGEDLY this xenophobic song has become a cult hit amongst young white Germans, see here:

https://x.com/maisumcarneiro/status/1793967533818773632

How widespread is this? Dunno. But it is certainly surprising to see apparently affluent white Germans openly doing Hitler moustache-and-salute moves while dancing

Young people are increasingly distant from WW2. Growing up, the war was an ever present reference point in my life, as it had shaped my grandparents' lives, and hung over my parents'. For my kids it's ancient history, like the Boer war was for me. As memories of the war fade I think a lot of the taboos around the far right are fading with them. Perhaps we have to relearn the lessons of where this kind of politics leads.

Anyone can read about WW2. This "distant in time" thing doesn't wash for me.

Anyone can read about ancient Rome too. Just because you can read about it, doesn't stop it feeling distant in time.

Fun fact: George III was born closer to the time that the Roman Empire existed, than to today.

You need to define your terms.

The Classical Empire fell in the West in AD 476 when Romulus Agustulus was overthrown by Odacer. The Byzantine Empire, which spoke Greek, not Latin and was a radical change from Classical Rome, even though it claimed continuity, fell with the fall of Constantinople in 1453. Meanwhile the Holy Roman Empire, which claimed descent from the Western Empire, despite being founded in AD 800 by Frankish barbarians, did not formally dissolve until 1806. So George III, who lived from 1738 until 1820, that is 204 years from our own time, either lived 1262 years from the fall of the Western Empire, or he lived 286 years after the fall of Constantinople (so still lived closer to our own time), or he was actually contemporary with the Holy Roman Empire.

Roger said:

Taz said:

Sandpit said:

Andy_JS said:

More tears at the PO inquiry.

Oh no, how awful this whole process must be for Mrs Vennells…

F**k off you bitch, you’re looking at serious prison time.

Hold on, as we learnt from Rogerdamus the other day, she is the real victim here.

Show some sympathy.

Funnily enough I've just received a reply from Ch4 News. As you'll remember my complaint was that Alex Thompson had gone too far by lifting her umbrella as she was leaving the tribuneral and despite her being clearly upset showed no compassion whatsoever. So for your interest.........

"Thank you for contacting Channel 4 Viewer Enquiries regarding Channel 4 News.

In response to your comments regarding the interview by Alex Thompson, Channel 4 news have responded with the following: We have requested interviews with all the key Post Office Executives to ask questions about their knowledge of the scandal that unfolded. All the executives have been elusive or refused to be held to account publicly. Channel 4 News has been at the forefront of revealing the high level knowledge of miscarriages of justice. It is a matter of the highest public interest to hear from Post Office executives as to why sub postmasters were still being sent to prison when there was senior management knowledge that the Horizon system had computer bugs and there may have been miscarriages of justice. This remains a matter of the highest public interest.

Thank you again for taking the time to contact us. We appreciate all feedback from our viewers; complimentary or otherwise. "

There should be some sort of inquiry imo.

Scott_xP said:

TimS said:

I saw this. Quite funny. It may well already have been posted of course.

It was posted earlier, so sadly you have wasted your image

Luckily I’m not travelling today with a dog or on a journalistic assignment.

GIN1138 said:

wooliedyed said:

Claudia Webbe running as an indy in Leicester East

Is she the MP who threatened an acid attack against her love rival?

Careful - on appeal the judge found that Webbe had not "made a threat to throw acid over" the alleged victim.

Flatlander said:

Andy_JS said:

"Vladimir Putin ready to 'freeze' war in Ukraine with ceasefire recognising recent Russian gains, sources say

Putin reportedly views recent gains in the war as enough to sell a victory to the Russian people, saving him from making unpopular decisions like spending more money and mobilising more people."

https://news.sky.com/story/vladimir-putin-ready-to-freeze-war-in-ukraine-with-ceasefire-recognising-recent-russian-gains-sources-say-13142402

Has he got some secret polling that says Biden is going to win?

He must be worried about the US kit finally arriving.

Or it's just reculer pour mieux sauter.

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

We were talking yesterday about the far right radicalisation of young white Euro-Americans

Some more evidence, perhaps. ALLEGEDLY this xenophobic song has become a cult hit amongst young white Germans, see here:

https://x.com/maisumcarneiro/status/1793967533818773632

How widespread is this? Dunno. But it is certainly surprising to see apparently affluent white Germans openly doing Hitler moustache-and-salute moves while dancing

Young people are increasingly distant from WW2. Growing up, the war was an ever present reference point in my life, as it had shaped my grandparents' lives, and hung over my parents'. For my kids it's ancient history, like the Boer war was for me. As memories of the war fade I think a lot of the taboos around the far right are fading with them. Perhaps we have to relearn the lessons of where this kind of politics leads.

Also, how about reducing the insane levels of immigration? Young people are noticing

I'd quite like to avoid the point where these views become widespread

It might help or it might not. Young people are generally more positive on immigration than older people, and more tolerant in areas of high immigration than in areas of low immigration. I'm not convinced that London is swarming with young white men who are violently opposed to multiculturalism - they all speak with a Jamaican accent for a start. But my kids aren't white so I'm not an expert on young white people and their cultural practices.

This is sad.

"The Gherkin transformed London’s skyline – but now is set to disappear from view
It started a building boom in the heart of the City – but is now increasingly being crowded out"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/24/gherkin-london-skyline-disappearing-view-architecture-city/

Andy_JS said:

"Diane Abbott MP
@HackneyAbbott

Just heard @Keir_Starmer on @BBCr4today claiming that the decision about whether to let @HackneyAbbott back into @UKLabour has “nothing to with him” It has EVERYTHING to do with him"

https://x.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1793931847191457818

She needs to go it alone Starmer will just knife her.

Richi's press team hate him, don't they...

@skydavidblevins

In a bid to move on from the drenching in Downing Street, the PM's comms team brings him to the site where they built Titanic. Mmm...

@JamesMcCarthy97

On a visit to the Titanic Quarter today, I asked the Prime Minister if he is captaining a sinking ship going into this election

@BelfastLive

Farooq said:

NerysHughes said:

Farooq said:

noneoftheabove said:

boulay said:

RochdalePioneers said:

algarkirk said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

noneoftheabove said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Monksfield said:

Scott_xP said:

@benrileysmith

Keir Starmer twists the knife on Rishi Sunak’s rain-sodden election speech.

“The image of a man who says ‘I’m the only one with a plan’ standing in the rain without an umbrella is, to put it politely, pretty farcical.”

I think he’s nailed it though, hasn’t he?

You had to feel sorry for him. Well, I did, anyway.

But where are his Spads? Surely one of them would have thought to provide an umbrella, and do something about that noxious narcissist playing music to drown out the PM.

Is there much worse for a PM than people starting to feel sorry for them?

Confession time, None. I've always quite liked him, and have occasionally stuck up for him here, although I can he doesn't seem to be very good at politics, which is a bit of a handicap if you are in his position.

He's the Tory's Ed Miliband. Decent, impossible to hate, very good in the right job, leaden footed, wooden in delivery, slightly anxious to please, unspontaneous, nowhere close to being PM material, when watching him perform always slightly anxious that your toes will curl - as all ten toes did in the rain on Wednesday.

I very genuinely liked the Rishi Sunak I chatted to on one of CalMac's few functional ferries in 2020. Have said so repeatedly. He seemed like a genuine guy planted in reality.

Whatever happened to him and why did they replace him with the current model?

I guess that when you become CofTE and PM you are surrounded by a huge team of SPADS, civil servants, representations from CCHQ all telling you “let us take care of x and y as you have lots of other things to do and you need to present a face to the public of being in charge”.

This then stops you actually being you as you have been assured by all and sundry that you need to behave a certain way but also your actual abilities are not being used because all the competing pillars are pushing or blocking because they want different results.

You have to be a certain character to rise above that and it probably requires a spell as opposition leader or a long period in politics to get there which Sunak didn’t have. He was likely ten years and two crises early to use any ability he has.

Far too many twenty and thirty somethings with no experience outside politics and media being listened to by PMs these days ahead of their cabinet colleagues, not to mention their predecessors who are viewed as dinosaurs rather than wise counsellors.

One of Sunak's main problems was timing. He could have been a better PM at the head of a Conservative Party that hadn't been purged by Boris.

I keep saying, Boris Johnson is the root of all this. The Conservative Party 2024 is the product of his energetic sociopathy. Nothing but vines and ivy grows there any more. He reduced the party to a sort of drunken pageantry, an elaborate chaos with a nasty streak.

Someone like Sunak could have taken over from a defeated Cameron in 2015 and in 2024 be nearing the end of his first term as PM, with a strong chance of re-election. Instead, he rides a party stampeding uncontrollably to a cliff edge.

Covid derailed everything political in 2020, it seems to be completely forgoten. Without Covid we could be in a completely different political position.

Boris started his shenanigans before the virus emerged from that wet market. We would have lurched from disaster to embarrassing disaster anyway. Covid changed the nature of them, that's all.

I wouldn't say covid was forgotten. Every Tory politician I've heard since the election was announced refers to it as an explanation or excuse.

Farooq said:

bondegezou said:

Andy_JS said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

We were talking yesterday about the far right radicalisation of young white Euro-Americans

Some more evidence, perhaps. ALLEGEDLY this xenophobic song has become a cult hit amongst young white Germans, see here:

https://x.com/maisumcarneiro/status/1793967533818773632

How widespread is this? Dunno. But it is certainly surprising to see apparently affluent white Germans openly doing Hitler moustache-and-salute moves while dancing

Young people are increasingly distant from WW2. Growing up, the war was an ever present reference point in my life, as it had shaped my grandparents' lives, and hung over my parents'. For my kids it's ancient history, like the Boer war was for me. As memories of the war fade I think a lot of the taboos around the far right are fading with them. Perhaps we have to relearn the lessons of where this kind of politics leads.

Anyone can read about WW2. This "distant in time" thing doesn't wash for me.

Anyone can read about ancient Rome too. Just because you can read about it, doesn't stop it feeling distant in time.

Fun fact: George III was born closer to the time that the Roman Empire existed, than to today.

Depends on your definition of Roman Empire.

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

We were talking yesterday about the far right radicalisation of young white Euro-Americans

Some more evidence, perhaps. ALLEGEDLY this xenophobic song has become a cult hit amongst young white Germans, see here:

https://x.com/maisumcarneiro/status/1793967533818773632

How widespread is this? Dunno. But it is certainly surprising to see apparently affluent white Germans openly doing Hitler moustache-and-salute moves while dancing

Young people are increasingly distant from WW2. Growing up, the war was an ever present reference point in my life, as it had shaped my grandparents' lives, and hung over my parents'. For my kids it's ancient history, like the Boer war was for me. As memories of the war fade I think a lot of the taboos around the far right are fading with them. Perhaps we have to relearn the lessons of where this kind of politics leads.

Also, how about reducing the insane levels of immigration? Young people are noticing

I'd quite like to avoid the point where these views become widespread

It might help or it might not. Young people are generally more positive on immigration than older people, and more tolerant in areas of high immigration than in areas of low immigration. I'm not convinced that London is swarming with young white men who are violently opposed to multiculturalism - they all speak with a Jamaican accent for a start. But my kids aren't white so I'm not an expert on young white people and their cultural practices.

Young people are overwhelmingly the ones who pay the price for mass immigration, in a literal sense, in the form of competition for housing and suppression of wages.

rcs1000 said:

williamglenn said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

We were talking yesterday about the far right radicalisation of young white Euro-Americans

Some more evidence, perhaps. ALLEGEDLY this xenophobic song has become a cult hit amongst young white Germans, see here:

https://x.com/maisumcarneiro/status/1793967533818773632

How widespread is this? Dunno. But it is certainly surprising to see apparently affluent white Germans openly doing Hitler moustache-and-salute moves while dancing

Young people are increasingly distant from WW2. Growing up, the war was an ever present reference point in my life, as it had shaped my grandparents' lives, and hung over my parents'. For my kids it's ancient history, like the Boer war was for me. As memories of the war fade I think a lot of the taboos around the far right are fading with them. Perhaps we have to relearn the lessons of where this kind of politics leads.

Surely lesson number one is not to recreate the conditions of the Weimar republic.

Sexual deviancy?

Hyperinflation?

Capital in a pretty little spa town?

A strict taboo against advocating proportional representation.

rcs1000 said:

williamglenn said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

We were talking yesterday about the far right radicalisation of young white Euro-Americans

Some more evidence, perhaps. ALLEGEDLY this xenophobic song has become a cult hit amongst young white Germans, see here:

https://x.com/maisumcarneiro/status/1793967533818773632

How widespread is this? Dunno. But it is certainly surprising to see apparently affluent white Germans openly doing Hitler moustache-and-salute moves while dancing

Young people are increasingly distant from WW2. Growing up, the war was an ever present reference point in my life, as it had shaped my grandparents' lives, and hung over my parents'. For my kids it's ancient history, like the Boer war was for me. As memories of the war fade I think a lot of the taboos around the far right are fading with them. Perhaps we have to relearn the lessons of where this kind of politics leads.

Surely lesson number one is not to recreate the conditions of the Weimar republic.

Sexual deviancy?

Hyperinflation?

Capital in a pretty little spa town?

I blame the Kitkat club.

rcs1000 said:

williamglenn said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

We were talking yesterday about the far right radicalisation of young white Euro-Americans

Some more evidence, perhaps. ALLEGEDLY this xenophobic song has become a cult hit amongst young white Germans, see here:

https://x.com/maisumcarneiro/status/1793967533818773632

How widespread is this? Dunno. But it is certainly surprising to see apparently affluent white Germans openly doing Hitler moustache-and-salute moves while dancing

Young people are increasingly distant from WW2. Growing up, the war was an ever present reference point in my life, as it had shaped my grandparents' lives, and hung over my parents'. For my kids it's ancient history, like the Boer war was for me. As memories of the war fade I think a lot of the taboos around the far right are fading with them. Perhaps we have to relearn the lessons of where this kind of politics leads.

Surely lesson number one is not to recreate the conditions of the Weimar republic.

Sexual deviancy?

Hyperinflation?

Capital in a pretty little spa town?

Ah, I see you have been to Somerset

Farooq said:

bondegezou said:

Andy_JS said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

We were talking yesterday about the far right radicalisation of young white Euro-Americans

Some more evidence, perhaps. ALLEGEDLY this xenophobic song has become a cult hit amongst young white Germans, see here:

https://x.com/maisumcarneiro/status/1793967533818773632

How widespread is this? Dunno. But it is certainly surprising to see apparently affluent white Germans openly doing Hitler moustache-and-salute moves while dancing

Young people are increasingly distant from WW2. Growing up, the war was an ever present reference point in my life, as it had shaped my grandparents' lives, and hung over my parents'. For my kids it's ancient history, like the Boer war was for me. As memories of the war fade I think a lot of the taboos around the far right are fading with them. Perhaps we have to relearn the lessons of where this kind of politics leads.

Anyone can read about WW2. This "distant in time" thing doesn't wash for me.

Anyone can read about ancient Rome too. Just because you can read about it, doesn't stop it feeling distant in time.

Fun fact: George III was born closer to the time that the Roman Empire existed, than to today.

Lives are long. He lived into the lifetime of Dickens, who in turn lived into the lifetime of Hardy, who was alive when HM Queen Elizabeth was born in 1926.

williamglenn said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

We were talking yesterday about the far right radicalisation of young white Euro-Americans

Some more evidence, perhaps. ALLEGEDLY this xenophobic song has become a cult hit amongst young white Germans, see here:

https://x.com/maisumcarneiro/status/1793967533818773632

How widespread is this? Dunno. But it is certainly surprising to see apparently affluent white Germans openly doing Hitler moustache-and-salute moves while dancing

Young people are increasingly distant from WW2. Growing up, the war was an ever present reference point in my life, as it had shaped my grandparents' lives, and hung over my parents'. For my kids it's ancient history, like the Boer war was for me. As memories of the war fade I think a lot of the taboos around the far right are fading with them. Perhaps we have to relearn the lessons of where this kind of politics leads.

Also, how about reducing the insane levels of immigration? Young people are noticing

I'd quite like to avoid the point where these views become widespread

It might help or it might not. Young people are generally more positive on immigration than older people, and more tolerant in areas of high immigration than in areas of low immigration. I'm not convinced that London is swarming with young white men who are violently opposed to multiculturalism - they all speak with a Jamaican accent for a start. But my kids aren't white so I'm not an expert on young white people and their cultural practices.

Young people are overwhelmingly the ones who pay the price for mass immigration, in a literal sense, in the form of competition for housing and suppression of wages.

Perhaps young people are more immune to easy scapegoating exercises than you give them credit for?

Andy_JS said:

Does Starmer really want to win 450 seats?

Its a good question. What will he do with a large and bored cohort of MPs with nothing to do ? The HoC bar will be packed.

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

We were talking yesterday about the far right radicalisation of young white Euro-Americans

Some more evidence, perhaps. ALLEGEDLY this xenophobic song has become a cult hit amongst young white Germans, see here:

https://x.com/maisumcarneiro/status/1793967533818773632

How widespread is this? Dunno. But it is certainly surprising to see apparently affluent white Germans openly doing Hitler moustache-and-salute moves while dancing

Young people are increasingly distant from WW2. Growing up, the war was an ever present reference point in my life, as it had shaped my grandparents' lives, and hung over my parents'. For my kids it's ancient history, like the Boer war was for me. As memories of the war fade I think a lot of the taboos around the far right are fading with them. Perhaps we have to relearn the lessons of where this kind of politics leads.

Also, how about reducing the insane levels of immigration? Young people are noticing

I'd quite like to avoid the point where these views become widespread

It might help or it might not. Young people are generally more positive on immigration than older people, and more tolerant in areas of high immigration than in areas of low immigration. I'm not convinced that London is swarming with young white men who are violently opposed to multiculturalism - they all speak with a Jamaican accent for a start. But my kids aren't white so I'm not an expert on young white people and their cultural practices.

It's quite gratifying that my own (white) lad appears to be completely colour blind with regard to his friends. Those that I've met or seen seem to cover the entire spectrum of ethnicity. And my partner's daughter's two best friends from school days are black and of mixed Turkish/Scottish heritage. They both seem genuinely baffled by racism.

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

We were talking yesterday about the far right radicalisation of young white Euro-Americans

Some more evidence, perhaps. ALLEGEDLY this xenophobic song has become a cult hit amongst young white Germans, see here:

https://x.com/maisumcarneiro/status/1793967533818773632

How widespread is this? Dunno. But it is certainly surprising to see apparently affluent white Germans openly doing Hitler moustache-and-salute moves while dancing

Young people are increasingly distant from WW2. Growing up, the war was an ever present reference point in my life, as it had shaped my grandparents' lives, and hung over my parents'. For my kids it's ancient history, like the Boer war was for me. As memories of the war fade I think a lot of the taboos around the far right are fading with them. Perhaps we have to relearn the lessons of where this kind of politics leads.

Also, how about reducing the insane levels of immigration? Young people are noticing

I'd quite like to avoid the point where these views become widespread

Another issue is that, separated from the history we all grew up with, and therefore viewed in isolation with the moral disgust for both, fascists have a lot more fun than communists.

We saw a tiny bit of this in Brexit. Remain foolishly let Leave be the “Brexiteers” and linked them to boozing and parties. (Not for a second saying brexiteers are fascists - I voted Leave and don’t regret it).

GIN1138 said:

Andy_JS said:

Does Starmer really want to win 450 seats?

Why wouldn't he?

Because he’d LIKE 650?

Scott_xP said:

Richi's press team hate him, don't they...

@skydavidblevins

In a bid to move on from the drenching in Downing Street, the PM's comms team brings him to the site where they built Titanic. Mmm...

@JamesMcCarthy97

On a visit to the Titanic Quarter today, I asked the Prime Minister if he is captaining a sinking ship going into this election

@BelfastLive

The teenage SPADS are moronic. This is a campaign headed to meltdown.

biggles said:

Farooq said:

Scott_xP said:

Richi's press team hate him, don't they...

@skydavidblevins

In a bid to move on from the drenching in Downing Street, the PM's comms team brings him to the site where they built Titanic. Mmm...

@JamesMcCarthy97

On a visit to the Titanic Quarter today, I asked the Prime Minister if he is captaining a sinking ship going into this election

@BelfastLive

Tomorrow, Aberfan

It’s a slippery slope.

Sorry. I’m going to hell.

58 years ago and it's still too soon.

Andy_JS said:

"Diane Abbott MP
@HackneyAbbott

Just heard @Keir_Starmer on @BBCr4today claiming that the decision about whether to let @HackneyAbbott back into @UKLabour has “nothing to with him” It has EVERYTHING to do with him"

https://x.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1793931847191457818

Haha, I'm sure that will help smooth things out!

Andy_JS said:

"Diane Abbott MP
@HackneyAbbott

Just heard @Keir_Starmer on @BBCr4today claiming that the decision about whether to let @HackneyAbbott back into @UKLabour has “nothing to with him” It has EVERYTHING to do with him"

https://x.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1793931847191457818

SKS is a compulsive liar (as we know)

Scott_xP said:

Richi's press team hate him, don't they...

@skydavidblevins

In a bid to move on from the drenching in Downing Street, the PM's comms team brings him to the site where they built Titanic. Mmm...

@JamesMcCarthy97

On a visit to the Titanic Quarter today, I asked the Prime Minister if he is captaining a sinking ship going into this election

@BelfastLive

As he criss crosses the nation, perhaps next the Tay Bridge ?

OnlyLivingBoy said:

williamglenn said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

We were talking yesterday about the far right radicalisation of young white Euro-Americans

Some more evidence, perhaps. ALLEGEDLY this xenophobic song has become a cult hit amongst young white Germans, see here:

https://x.com/maisumcarneiro/status/1793967533818773632

How widespread is this? Dunno. But it is certainly surprising to see apparently affluent white Germans openly doing Hitler moustache-and-salute moves while dancing

Young people are increasingly distant from WW2. Growing up, the war was an ever present reference point in my life, as it had shaped my grandparents' lives, and hung over my parents'. For my kids it's ancient history, like the Boer war was for me. As memories of the war fade I think a lot of the taboos around the far right are fading with them. Perhaps we have to relearn the lessons of where this kind of politics leads.

Also, how about reducing the insane levels of immigration? Young people are noticing

I'd quite like to avoid the point where these views become widespread

It might help or it might not. Young people are generally more positive on immigration than older people, and more tolerant in areas of high immigration than in areas of low immigration. I'm not convinced that London is swarming with young white men who are violently opposed to multiculturalism - they all speak with a Jamaican accent for a start. But my kids aren't white so I'm not an expert on young white people and their cultural practices.

Young people are overwhelmingly the ones who pay the price for mass immigration, in a literal sense, in the form of competition for housing and suppression of wages.

Perhaps young people are more immune to easy scapegoating exercises than you give them credit for?

You mean scapegoating the Tories for our immigration policies?

Scott_xP said:

Cicero said:

Scott_xP said:

Richi's press team hate him, don't they...

@skydavidblevins

In a bid to move on from the drenching in Downing Street, the PM's comms team brings him to the site where they built Titanic. Mmm...

@JamesMcCarthy97

On a visit to the Titanic Quarter today, I asked the Prime Minister if he is captaining a sinking ship going into this election

@BelfastLive

The teenage SPADS are moronic. This is a campaign headed to meltdown.

I am beginning to wonder if CCHQ hired Perfect Curve to run this campaign

SKS has hired a former Israeli spy but their stuff is much better quality than CCHQ amateur rubbish.

Andy_JS said:

Labour candidate in Islington North is councillor Praful Nargrund.

https://democracy.islington.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=469

He was fairly clearly the leadership's preferred choice, so his selection became inevitable when the NEC stepped in - Moema might have run him close if it had gone to a ballot.

He's been taking a bit of stick throughout the process for not engaging with local or social media. Probably wise of him, given that there's an element within the CLP and more broadly in the constituency that wanted to see him trip up.

I don't think a Corbyn win is inevitable here - but Nargund will need to run a strong campaign if he's to get ahead. Some of the CLP will inevitably walk out in disgust and will actively campaign for Corbyn, but the bigger worry is over the number who might simply sit on their hands this time round.

I suspect this might come up in one of the debates Nutsack is so desperate to have...

@PickardJE
Labour source:

“If Rishi Sunak lied to a grieving mother then he’ll lie to anyone. Why would anyone believe a word he says?”

williamglenn said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

We were talking yesterday about the far right radicalisation of young white Euro-Americans

Some more evidence, perhaps. ALLEGEDLY this xenophobic song has become a cult hit amongst young white Germans, see here:

https://x.com/maisumcarneiro/status/1793967533818773632

How widespread is this? Dunno. But it is certainly surprising to see apparently affluent white Germans openly doing Hitler moustache-and-salute moves while dancing

Young people are increasingly distant from WW2. Growing up, the war was an ever present reference point in my life, as it had shaped my grandparents' lives, and hung over my parents'. For my kids it's ancient history, like the Boer war was for me. As memories of the war fade I think a lot of the taboos around the far right are fading with them. Perhaps we have to relearn the lessons of where this kind of politics leads.

Also, how about reducing the insane levels of immigration? Young people are noticing

I'd quite like to avoid the point where these views become widespread

It might help or it might not. Young people are generally more positive on immigration than older people, and more tolerant in areas of high immigration than in areas of low immigration. I'm not convinced that London is swarming with young white men who are violently opposed to multiculturalism - they all speak with a Jamaican accent for a start. But my kids aren't white so I'm not an expert on young white people and their cultural practices.

Young people are overwhelmingly the ones who pay the price for mass immigration, in a literal sense, in the form of competition for housing and suppression of wages.

Sure: but young people are also by far the most likely to have friends who are from different countries, and they are the ones who will pay the most for an unbalanced population pyramid.

So, it's swings and roundabouts.

Hahaha, Rishi actually went to the Titanic quarter today.

After the rain on Wednesday, the Partridgian 'see the match?' cringe yesterday, I wonder what tomorrow's gaffe will be?

It's like the 'stop hitting yourself' bullying technique, except there is no bully. He's just hitting himself.

More on this.

"Alex Wickham
@alexwickham

Both Labour sources and some Tories are saying this is the most jaw-dropping moment of the week: the claim that Sunak misled a grieving mother about introducing legislation in her son’s name. ‘Psychotic’ says a Labour source. ‘Staggering’ says a Tory…"

https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1793944909893792085

ICJ orders Israel to halt Rafah offensive in Gaza
The court rules that Israel must immediately halt its military offensive and other actions in Rafah, citing the "immediate risk" to the Palestinian people.