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  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,639

    They would have to resurrect it (somehow) before midnight on 30th. After that moment they are not MPs.
    One of the reasons why I can’t be arsed. It’s not a practical proposition
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,954
    edited May 2024
    Scott_xP said:

    4 hours earlier

    Scott_xP Posts:
    11:02AM
    @JasonGroves1

    Westminster rumour mill in overdrive that Sunak is about to call election for July 4.
    Its interesting that it actually leaked a couple of days ago, with Fink saying he had heard this, but nobody could actually believe it and put it down to silly season.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,459

    I posted a chart from WSJ the other day that showed increase in family wealth is now 0% over the Biden presidency and heading downwards rapidly. Those who hold assets are doing well, those who don't have lost a huge amount of buying power.
    I recall - yes, that exactly.

    For a large number of people - they’ve had some pay rises. But everything is murderously expensive.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Andy_JS said:

    Starmer got 64.5% in Camden Town last time. Probably over 70% this time.

    The mighty Feinstein confirmed he was standing against him yesterday. So 69%
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,054

    The European elections where the (far) right are expected to make gains will fall in the middle of the campaign.

    People didn't pay much attention to the Euroelection results in other countries when we were in the EU. I doubt many will now!
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,859
    Blimey! Wasn’t expecting this.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,837
    Andy_JS said:

    Is he really going to piss everyone off and take a job with a Silicon Valley tech company.
    Yes, I can exclusively reveal Rishi will be taking up a modelling job in Silicon Valley. It will involve him being scanned in intimate detail and being transformed into a cheerful grinning AI helperbot, to be known as "Neddy the Helpful Nerd".
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,756

    Benign? It's the worst economic inheritance since WW2. And the state of the country's public assets is absolutely dire, everything needs fixing.

    Even inflation is only temporarily down to 2.3% - the fall in energy prices 12 months ago will push it back up above 3% by August. That and the fact that there is literally nothing there to fund a pre-election Autumn giveaway is why he is going now.
    Youve just spent years saying everything the Tories have done is rubbish and how Labour would do it all so much better.

    Nows your big chance,
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,639
    Leon said:

    Just havin a bit of fun, like

    However it is true to say that my friend really nailed this, down to the timing of the announcement, so I believe that he does have a contact in Downing St. However, he won't have one for long....
    This sort of stuff is where political contacts are useful. They are less useful in situations like the 48 hours after the London election (not you I hasten to add) where all sort of “well placed” shite turned out to be…shite…
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,211
    He ran out of road in the end. Fair play for facing up to it. Here we go…
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,524
    Lennon said:

    Maybe not... she's got another 2 days to go - and the last day will be the most obviously inflammatory (postmasters reps asking questions - so will likely be much more directly confrontational judging from the experience of previous witnesses)
    Yes, Beer and friends strive relentlessly to tease outthe facts, but the Postmasters' reps are generally happy just to call the witnesses bastards.
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,505

    I recall - yes, that exactly.

    For a large number of people - they’ve had some pay rises. But everything is murderously expensive.
    And people are still occasionally being surprised by price rises on infrequently-bought items. It'll take another year for people to stop feeling that they're being ripped off every time they go shopping...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,954
    Where is the lectern?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,247

    Benign? It's the worst economic inheritance since WW2. And the state of the country's public assets is absolutely dire, everything needs fixing.

    Even inflation is only temporarily down to 2.3% - the fall in energy prices 12 months ago will push it back up above 3% by August. That and the fact that there is literally nothing there to fund a pre-election Autumn giveaway is why he is going now.
    The economy will likely grow pretty smartly till the end of the decade. It doesn't matter if inflation is running at 3% if wage rises are running at 5-6%.

    The whole period from February 2020 to Autumn 2023 was abnormal, not normal. Growth is normal.

    The issue is whether people will feel better.

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,078
    I wonder how many more defections were in the pipeline
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,420
    I don't think the rain is going to stop any time soon...

    https://www.netweather.tv/live-weather/radar
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,098

    Youve just spent years saying everything the Tories have done is rubbish and how Labour would do it all so much better.

    Nows your big chance,
    Now's
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,954
    Sky say he is going to do it from inside #10.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    tlg86 said:

    I don't think the rain is going to stop any time soon...

    https://www.netweather.tv/live-weather/radar

    It's not stopped raining since I returned from Italy. YUK
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,756

    I am going to be unbearably smug as I predicted a July election at 20/1.

    I have the bragging rights.

    I thought youd be in tears as Lord Dave gets to head off to spend more time with his shepherd's hut
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,769

    Where is the lectern?

    Sky

    The statement is to be inside Downing Street
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,658

    Sky say he is going to do it from inside #10.

    You'd think somebody in Downing St. would have an umbrella?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,136
    Leon said:

    It's not stopped raining since I returned from Italy. YUK
    Well at least now we know who to blame ;)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Labour leads by 24% in Wales.

    Wales Westminster VI (18-19 May):

    Labour 43% (+3)
    Conservatives 19% (+1)
    Reform UK 15% (-3)
    Plaid Cymru 14% (–)
    Green 6% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 3% (-3)
    Other 1% (+1)

    Changes +/- 22-23 April

    Welsh poll porn to kick us off
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,505

    Sky say he is going to do it from inside #10.

    In front of a load of soggy journos.
  • northern_monkeynorthern_monkey Posts: 1,640
    My mate’s is a civil servant and they’ve had the nod from on high that it’s the 4th July.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,118
    tlg86 said:

    I don't think the rain is going to stop any time soon...

    https://www.netweather.tv/live-weather/radar

    It's unfair, but it's typical of Sunak. Call a summer election for the benefit of good weather; get rained on when you make your big announcement.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,211
    The only other thing I’d say is I have a feeling it would have been far worse for him if he’d waited til October. Maybe his advisors and private pollsters were saying the same thing to him. I don’t expect anything other than a shellacking, but maybe he’ll be able to save 200 seats. If it was left to the last possible moment, I think it could have been much worse.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    A big step closer to an electoral sanity 'slap' across the Tory party's face and hopefully an eventual return of the David Gauke, Rory Stewart types - I hope.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,311
    Bugger. I am away cycling for 10 days in France smack in the middle of this. He was supposed to check in with me first.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,274

    People are still shocked by the big price increases post COVID. A lot of people are saying “I can’t afford to do X anymore”.

    This is how most people measure prosperity.
    Saying it doesn't necessarily make it true.

    There are pay rises to go with the price rises.

    Not to mention asset value rises - firstly housing and now shares/pensions.

    But it does seem increasingly common for people to be claiming poverty even when they are certainly getting richer.

    Similarly every oldie seems to think that their pensions increase is "all being taken back through tax" or that their increased winter fuel allowance 'doesn't count'.

    I, at least, will admit to never having been as affluent as I am today.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,129
    Downing Street should get a Wimbledon-style retractable roof for days like this.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    Remarkable to think that the last General Election was: 2019 - before Covid, before Ukraine, before Gaza, before Brexit was actually DONE. And Corbyn was the Labour candidate

    It feels like a lifetime ago
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,895
    Beth Rigby: Oliver Dowden, deputy PM, very much in favour of an early election because he feels the government has "momentum" with Rwanda, etc.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,767
    edited May 2024
    This is a real leader from the Speccie which was (I believe) published today (online) or tomorrow (print)

    Paywall: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-summer-election-is-suicide-for-the-tories/
    Free: https://archive.is/payxh
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,098
    Come on! Get on with it!
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,054
    It's 17:03 and no election has been called. All those predictions for 5pm were awful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,837
    Andy_JS said:

    Beth Rigby: Oliver Dowden, deputy PM, very much in favour of an early election because he feels the government has "momentum" with Rwanda, etc.

    Momentous like a lemming?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,428
    Andy_JS said:

    Beth Rigby: Oliver Dowden, deputy PM, very much in favour of an early election because he feels the government has "momentum" with Rwanda, etc.

    Yes, look at their stunning momentum in the polls. The same sort of momentum skiers enjoy on a black piste.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,756

    A big step closer to an electoral sanity 'slap' across the Tory party's face and hopefully an eventual return of the David Gauke, Rory Stewart types - I hope.

    yes the type of people who end up as directors in the PO or managing blood transfusions. Just what we need.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    A general election when Scots have summer holidays booked? Nice one, aye.

    https://x.com/paulhutcheon/status/1793230921769832583
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,505

    It's 17:03 and no election has been called. All those predictions for 5pm were awful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Oh no! He's bottled it!
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,767
  • sbjme19sbjme19 Posts: 194
    Wimbledon clash. Any Tory-leaning tennis fans to be pissed off?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,895

    Where is the lectern?

    Eating fava beans.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,301

    Downing Street should get a Wimbledon-style retractable roof for days like this.

    One day the threat of drones will mean there's a permanent roof over Downing Street.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,954
    mwadams said:
    I was just thinking the same. I feel like I am losing IQ points just watching.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    In more important news we've got some classic bank holiday weather coming our way in London - thunder on Sunday, nothing but rain on Monday. Yet some people claim there isn't a conspiracy controlling our weather?
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    The first UK general election to be held in July since 1945
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,098
    I assume he's going to do it inside but it would be lovely for him to announce it with that background of Tories out! Tories out! Tories out!
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,975
    edited May 2024
    Starmer will be under some serious scrutiny now. Can he handle it>?
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,241
    sbjme19 said:

    Wimbledon clash. Any Tory-leaning tennis fans to be pissed off?

    Flat stage in the Tour too. Cavendish breaking the stage record is not quite going to be World Cup winning levels of feelgood boost, I fear.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,859
    I just wonder how far Sunak has taken into account the US Election. Which made November and December that much more problematic.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,136
    viewcode said:

    This is a real leader from the Speccie which was (I believe) published today (online) or tomorrow (print)

    Paywall: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-summer-election-is-suicide-for-the-tories/
    Free: https://archive.is/payxh

    That leader article is genuinely delusional.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,830
    Scott_xP said:

    4 hours earlier

    Scott_xP Posts:
    11:02AM
    @JasonGroves1

    Westminster rumour mill in overdrive that Sunak is about to call election for July 4.
    Everybody’s been speculating about it all day. We don’t need to invent imaginary insiders to make our speculation sound retrospectively more significant.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,859

    The first UK general election to be held in July since 1945

    Could be quite the echo.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,895
    Keeping everyone waiting. Clever move.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,534
    ...
    Andy_JS said:

    Students at home in July perhaps.
    Robert Hayward on LBC saying the polls are more in line with locals i.e between 7% and 9% Labour lead.

    90% of callers to LBC sticking with the Tories.

    I have a bad feeling...
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,136
    Pro_Rata said:

    Oh no! He's bottled it!
    Nah. He had just delivered it behind closed doors with no one to hear it so he can claim it was all fake news later on.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,187
    The T20 World Cup Final is on June 29th.

    Thanks Rishi.

    Oooh, same day as a potential England last 16 match at Euro 2024.
  • MartinVegasMartinVegas Posts: 56
    Just got my overseas vote registration in. Rather dissapointingly, the website insists on going with the last place you registered to vote rather than the last place you lived in the UK. Turned my vote from being in a somewhat marginal seat (at least in 2019, probably safe Labour today) to a totally safe seat vote.

    Oh, and before Rishi thinks this is one more for his tally because I'm an overseas voter...Nope.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,658
    Electoral Calculus has crashed...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,078
    He briefed a time, and then missed it. Numpty
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,622

    Saying it doesn't necessarily make it true.

    There are pay rises to go with the price rises.

    Not to mention asset value rises - firstly housing and now shares/pensions.

    But it does seem increasingly common for people to be claiming poverty even when they are certainly getting richer.

    Similarly every oldie seems to think that their pensions increase is "all being taken back through tax" or that their increased winter fuel allowance 'doesn't count'.

    I, at least, will admit to never having been as affluent as I am today.
    I'm definitely poorer than I was five years ago, and struggle more to get through the month more than I did. My salary has increased quite a lot, but my outgoings have increased by more, and inflation means that the capital I have is worth less. My house is worth more but given that I will always want to live in a house this doesn't feel like wealth which does me any good whatsoever.

    It's kids' activities which are killing me. I rarely go out, I have quite basic requirements in clothing, I don't have a mortgage. Food has gone up but has actually started coming down again. But kids' activities are just going up and up and up and up. And because of working from home they have the opportunity to do so many more of them.

    Again, its worth pointing out that a return of inflation to pre-covid levels doesn't mean a return of prices to pre-covid levels.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641
    The lectern is here!!!
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,241
    GIN1138 said:

    Electoral Calculus has crashed...

    Accuracy of its predictions unchanged
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    LECTERN!!!!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,895
    No crest.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,769
    Lectern coming out
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,534
    GIN1138 said:

    I don't know how Beth and Kay kept their jobs after partying through lockdown...
    Well Rishi did.

    I wonder if Michael Watson will do a Comey and charge Rayner before the election.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,187

    That leader article is genuinely delusional.
    What do you expect from the magazine that publishes pregnant girlfriend beater Rod Liddle, the racist Taki, and that roaster Sean Thomas.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,658
    Lectern!!!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,954

    I assume he's going to do it inside but it would be lovely for him to announce it with that background of Tories out! Tories out! Tories out!

    You will get your wish.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,078
    Lectern out. No crest
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    SOMEONE IS ATTACHING SOMETHING TO THE LECTERN
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    Leon said:

    SOMEONE IS ATTACHING SOMETHING TO THE LECTERN

    Bring back Liz Truss's bin bag
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,765
    2 minute warning!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881

    What do you expect from the magazine that publishes pregnant girlfriend beater Rod Liddle, the racist Taki, and that roaster Sean Thomas.
    I see that the latter has just published something amusing in Unherd
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,534
    Leon said:

    SOMEONE IS ATTACHING SOMETHING TO THE LECTERN

    Rishi?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,188
    edited May 2024

    Starmer will be under some serious scrutiny now. Can he handle it>?

    I've no idea, but it sounds unpleasant.

    Or it did until you edited it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,651
    Shadow Cabinet busy cancelling all their summer holiday plans.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,157
    Leon said:

    It's not stopped raining since I returned from Italy. YUK
    A week ago today, I was in York, very sunny!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Pmqs Wed's for the full defection shuffle!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,157
    Andy_JS said:

    Keeping everyone waiting. Clever move.

    He needed to change his pants??
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,639
    Can we stop with the shit about who has the best pro

    ...

    Robert Hayward on LBC saying the polls are more in line with locals i.e between 7% and 9% Labour lead.

    90% of callers to LBC sticking with the Tories.

    I have a bad feeling...
    It’s not really a “bad feeling”. You have been predicting a Tory win on here for as long as I can remember. It’s your prediction. Stick with it or say it’s all based on “feels”. Either way come up with something better than “90% of calls to LBC”. Sure, theTories might win, but you need to present more cogent evidence than a funny feeling in your water and 1992.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641
    Here we go!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,292
    This is great except for one thing - it clashes with a lot of sporting stuff I was planning to immerse myself in.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,859
    edited May 2024
    I finished uni a week ago. All I wanted to do this summer was drink M&S cocktails in fields before embarking on 50 years of soul destroying work with little disposable income, followed by an overdue and likely impoverished retirement.

    Now even that has seemingly been taken away.


    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/1793276777428644010?s=61&t=zKbRKoZtYWU8Dmpp8GlX6Q
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,187
    Here he is.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,895
    edited May 2024
    Rigby: Ed Davey is already on his way to an important Tory marginal in Surrey.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641

    A big step closer to an electoral sanity 'slap' across the Tory party's face and hopefully an eventual return of the David Gauke, Rory Stewart types - I hope.

    Speaking of Rory, there will be an emergency The Rest Is Politics at 5.30 and I dare say most other politics podcasts and news programmes as well. So long as they do not interfere with the Masterchef final at 8pm.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,534
    Resignation??????
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,954
    He is getting pissed on with the rain.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,895
    Suit getting wet.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    The heavy rain on his shoulders seems awful symbolic
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,822

    Lectern coming out

    Congratulations to it for finding the courage to speak up, after all those years, living a double life...
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449

    Could be quite the echo.
    It's interesting how Autumn GEs have fallen out of favour. They were the most common time to hold a GE in the first 2/3rds of the 20th century but we haven't had once since 1974.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,859
    edited May 2024
    Sunak standing in the rain for his speech sums it up really.

    I almost feel a bit sorry for him.
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