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  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    What would happen if a majority of MPs were against an election on 4th July?

    They cannot, the FTPA was abolished.
    There’s an interesting constitutional question there regarding MPs resurrecting it but I can’t be arsed…
    They would have to resurrect it (somehow) before midnight on 30th. After that moment they are not MPs.
    One of the reasons why I can’t be arsed. It’s not a practical proposition
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited May 22
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Leon Posts: 47,914
    3:07PM edited 3:08PM
    A friend of mine with some political connections says Yes there will be an election in July, and it will be announced around 5pm, before the news at 6

    He sometimes gets things wildly wrong, and sometimes nails things completely

    4 hours earlier

    Scott_xP Posts:
    11:02AM
    @JasonGroves1

    Westminster rumour mill in overdrive that Sunak is about to call election for July 4.
    Its interesting that it actually leaked a couple of days ago, with Fink saying he had heard this, but nobody could actually believe it and put it down to silly season.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,141

    Has this been mentioned:

    Nearly three in five Americans wrongly believe the US is in an economic recession, and the majority blame the Biden administration, according to a Harris poll conducted exclusively for the Guardian. The survey found persistent pessimism about the economy as election day draws closer.

    The poll highlighted many misconceptions people have about the economy, including:

    55% believe the economy is shrinking, and 56% think the US is experiencing a recession, though the broadest measure of the economy, gross domestic product (GDP), has been growing.
    49% believe the S&P 500 stock market index is down for the year, though the index went up about 24% in 2023 and is up more than 12% this year.
    49% believe that unemployment is at a 50-year high, though the unemployment rate has been under 4%, a near 50-year low.


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/22/poll-economy-recession-biden

    49% of Democrats think the USA is currently in recession.
    61% of Democrats think that inflation is currently increasing.

    Apparently there's a 'vibecession' phenomenon.

    Now this might be the fault of Sleepy Joe - or Trump or Brexit :wink: - or it might just be that people's expectations are increasing faster than which any government can meet.

    And likely happening in other Western countries as well.

    People are still shocked by the big price increases post COVID. A lot of people are saying “I can’t afford to do X anymore”.

    This is how most people measure prosperity.
    I posted a chart from WSJ the other day that showed increase in family wealth is now 0% over the Biden presidency and heading downwards rapidly. Those who hold assets are doing well, those who don't have lost a huge amount of buying power.
    I recall - yes, that exactly.

    For a large number of people - they’ve had some pay rises. But everything is murderously expensive.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Andy_JS said:

    Starmer got 64.5% in Camden Town last time. Probably over 70% this time.

    The mighty Feinstein confirmed he was standing against him yesterday. So 69%
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,489

    The European elections where the (far) right are expected to make gains will fall in the middle of the campaign.

    People didn't pay much attention to the Euroelection results in other countries when we were in the EU. I doubt many will now!
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    Blimey! Wasn’t expecting this.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,779
    Andy_JS said:

    Sunak has been offered a job he can't refuse, but they need him to start in September. So here we go, snap election, get demolished, a nice holiday and away to California.

    Why else would he go now?

    Is he really going to piss everyone off and take a job with a Silicon Valley tech company.
    Yes, I can exclusively reveal Rishi will be taking up a modelling job in Silicon Valley. It will involve him being scanned in intimate detail and being transformed into a cheerful grinning AI helperbot, to be known as "Neddy the Helpful Nerd".
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:


    Leon said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Labour faces series of crises if elected, internal dossier warns"

    https://www.ft.com/content/b95976ff-d861-4baf-a168-fd262b4e2f95

    Well yeah, who knew, lol! 😂
    It's possible that Sunak has seen that something even WORSE is coming down the line, and wants to get out of the way?
    Who knows, but if SKS is there in July the mood in PB starts to change. A short honeymoon and then the fun starts,

    PB has been spending an inordinate amount of time rubbishing Sunak. Ive done it myself and slammed the Tories for being useless.

    However the assumption that SKS is automatically going to be better than Sunak is just mad. PB has given little to no scrutiny to Starmer, and people like myself who say he needs to be put through the mill get criticised by the rose tinted mob. While were all patting ourselves on the back on how clever we are, nobody has done any serious due diligence on SKS.

    There is a real chance that Starmer is just the same as Sunak but without the interesting bits. Theres also a chance that he;s worse a kind of UK Olaf Scholz - cometh the hour there is no man. He could be better but his lack of principles doesn't show much evidence of that. He's an establishment man.

    So roll on December and we might have a clue at what he is able to do meanwhile buy popcorn before he bans it.

    Yes, I agree. I fully expect the Labour government to be tremendously mediocre. I mean, look at them: Rachel Reeves, David Lammy, sweet Jesus. I'd be worried if they were governors at my daughters' schools, let alone running an entire country

    But who knows. They might surprise on the upside. For the sake of my country, I hope so. Meanwhile if they screw everything up, even worse than the Tories, we can at least have the pleasure of laughing at them

    FWIW I do think they will get a honeymoon, but it won't last long. A year max, and then the backlash will begin
    Im on a shorter period, too many "events".

    I think they'll last longer than that. They'll inherit a much more benign situation than many imagine: inflation returning to pre-covid levels*, falling energy prices, an economy is much better health than it's painted. Some stability implied by a government with a working majority and five years to go. The SNP on the wane for now. A happy broadcast media.
    They'll try to stuff it up, but Starmer is no Corbyn even if he did sit on his front bench, and there's only so much damage that politicians can do in the short term if there is a generally fair wind blowing. I give them a whole term of never being more than 5 points behind in the polls.

    *which reminds me, @BartholomewRoberts was always on about inflation falling back again - I haven't seen him recently - is he still around?
    Benign? It's the worst economic inheritance since WW2. And the state of the country's public assets is absolutely dire, everything needs fixing.

    Even inflation is only temporarily down to 2.3% - the fall in energy prices 12 months ago will push it back up above 3% by August. That and the fact that there is literally nothing there to fund a pre-election Autumn giveaway is why he is going now.
    Youve just spent years saying everything the Tories have done is rubbish and how Labour would do it all so much better.

    Nows your big chance,
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    5pm announcement confirmed

    LOOK ON MY WORKS YE MIGHTY, AND DESPAIR

    Leon Posts: 47,914
    3:07PM edited 3:08PM
    A friend of mine with some political connections says Yes there will be an election in July, and it will be announced around 5pm, before the news at 6

    He sometimes gets things wildly wrong, and sometimes nails things completely
    Yes, you are important, and we all love you. Now go back to bed.
    Just havin a bit of fun, like

    However it is true to say that my friend really nailed this, down to the timing of the announcement, so I believe that he does have a contact in Downing St. However, he won't have one for long....
    This sort of stuff is where political contacts are useful. They are less useful in situations like the 48 hours after the London election (not you I hasten to add) where all sort of “well placed” shite turned out to be…shite…
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,927
    He ran out of road in the end. Fair play for facing up to it. Here we go…
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,470
    Lennon said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Lucky, lucky, lucky Paula Vennells.

    Maybe not... she's got another 2 days to go - and the last day will be the most obviously inflammatory (postmasters reps asking questions - so will likely be much more directly confrontational judging from the experience of previous witnesses)
    Yes, Beer and friends strive relentlessly to tease outthe facts, but the Postmasters' reps are generally happy just to call the witnesses bastards.
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,500

    Has this been mentioned:

    Nearly three in five Americans wrongly believe the US is in an economic recession, and the majority blame the Biden administration, according to a Harris poll conducted exclusively for the Guardian. The survey found persistent pessimism about the economy as election day draws closer.

    The poll highlighted many misconceptions people have about the economy, including:

    55% believe the economy is shrinking, and 56% think the US is experiencing a recession, though the broadest measure of the economy, gross domestic product (GDP), has been growing.
    49% believe the S&P 500 stock market index is down for the year, though the index went up about 24% in 2023 and is up more than 12% this year.
    49% believe that unemployment is at a 50-year high, though the unemployment rate has been under 4%, a near 50-year low.


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/22/poll-economy-recession-biden

    49% of Democrats think the USA is currently in recession.
    61% of Democrats think that inflation is currently increasing.

    Apparently there's a 'vibecession' phenomenon.

    Now this might be the fault of Sleepy Joe - or Trump or Brexit :wink: - or it might just be that people's expectations are increasing faster than which any government can meet.

    And likely happening in other Western countries as well.

    People are still shocked by the big price increases post COVID. A lot of people are saying “I can’t afford to do X anymore”.

    This is how most people measure prosperity.
    I posted a chart from WSJ the other day that showed increase in family wealth is now 0% over the Biden presidency and heading downwards rapidly. Those who hold assets are doing well, those who don't have lost a huge amount of buying power.
    I recall - yes, that exactly.

    For a large number of people - they’ve had some pay rises. But everything is murderously expensive.
    And people are still occasionally being surprised by price rises on infrequently-bought items. It'll take another year for people to stop feeling that they're being ripped off every time they go shopping...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    Where is the lectern?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,105
    I wonder how many more defections were in the pipeline
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,543

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:


    Leon said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Labour faces series of crises if elected, internal dossier warns"

    https://www.ft.com/content/b95976ff-d861-4baf-a168-fd262b4e2f95

    Well yeah, who knew, lol! 😂
    It's possible that Sunak has seen that something even WORSE is coming down the line, and wants to get out of the way?
    Who knows, but if SKS is there in July the mood in PB starts to change. A short honeymoon and then the fun starts,

    PB has been spending an inordinate amount of time rubbishing Sunak. Ive done it myself and slammed the Tories for being useless.

    However the assumption that SKS is automatically going to be better than Sunak is just mad. PB has given little to no scrutiny to Starmer, and people like myself who say he needs to be put through the mill get criticised by the rose tinted mob. While were all patting ourselves on the back on how clever we are, nobody has done any serious due diligence on SKS.

    There is a real chance that Starmer is just the same as Sunak but without the interesting bits. Theres also a chance that he;s worse a kind of UK Olaf Scholz - cometh the hour there is no man. He could be better but his lack of principles doesn't show much evidence of that. He's an establishment man.

    So roll on December and we might have a clue at what he is able to do meanwhile buy popcorn before he bans it.

    Yes, I agree. I fully expect the Labour government to be tremendously mediocre. I mean, look at them: Rachel Reeves, David Lammy, sweet Jesus. I'd be worried if they were governors at my daughters' schools, let alone running an entire country

    But who knows. They might surprise on the upside. For the sake of my country, I hope so. Meanwhile if they screw everything up, even worse than the Tories, we can at least have the pleasure of laughing at them

    FWIW I do think they will get a honeymoon, but it won't last long. A year max, and then the backlash will begin
    Im on a shorter period, too many "events".

    I think they'll last longer than that. They'll inherit a much more benign situation than many imagine: inflation returning to pre-covid levels*, falling energy prices, an economy is much better health than it's painted. Some stability implied by a government with a working majority and five years to go. The SNP on the wane for now. A happy broadcast media.
    They'll try to stuff it up, but Starmer is no Corbyn even if he did sit on his front bench, and there's only so much damage that politicians can do in the short term if there is a generally fair wind blowing. I give them a whole term of never being more than 5 points behind in the polls.

    *which reminds me, @BartholomewRoberts was always on about inflation falling back again - I haven't seen him recently - is he still around?
    Benign? It's the worst economic inheritance since WW2. And the state of the country's public assets is absolutely dire, everything needs fixing.

    Even inflation is only temporarily down to 2.3% - the fall in energy prices 12 months ago will push it back up above 3% by August. That and the fact that there is literally nothing there to fund a pre-election Autumn giveaway is why he is going now.
    The economy will likely grow pretty smartly till the end of the decade. It doesn't matter if inflation is running at 3% if wage rises are running at 5-6%.

    The whole period from February 2020 to Autumn 2023 was abnormal, not normal. Growth is normal.

    The issue is whether people will feel better.

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    I don't think the rain is going to stop any time soon...

    https://www.netweather.tv/live-weather/radar
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:


    Leon said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Labour faces series of crises if elected, internal dossier warns"

    https://www.ft.com/content/b95976ff-d861-4baf-a168-fd262b4e2f95

    Well yeah, who knew, lol! 😂
    It's possible that Sunak has seen that something even WORSE is coming down the line, and wants to get out of the way?
    Who knows, but if SKS is there in July the mood in PB starts to change. A short honeymoon and then the fun starts,

    PB has been spending an inordinate amount of time rubbishing Sunak. Ive done it myself and slammed the Tories for being useless.

    However the assumption that SKS is automatically going to be better than Sunak is just mad. PB has given little to no scrutiny to Starmer, and people like myself who say he needs to be put through the mill get criticised by the rose tinted mob. While were all patting ourselves on the back on how clever we are, nobody has done any serious due diligence on SKS.

    There is a real chance that Starmer is just the same as Sunak but without the interesting bits. Theres also a chance that he;s worse a kind of UK Olaf Scholz - cometh the hour there is no man. He could be better but his lack of principles doesn't show much evidence of that. He's an establishment man.

    So roll on December and we might have a clue at what he is able to do meanwhile buy popcorn before he bans it.

    Yes, I agree. I fully expect the Labour government to be tremendously mediocre. I mean, look at them: Rachel Reeves, David Lammy, sweet Jesus. I'd be worried if they were governors at my daughters' schools, let alone running an entire country

    But who knows. They might surprise on the upside. For the sake of my country, I hope so. Meanwhile if they screw everything up, even worse than the Tories, we can at least have the pleasure of laughing at them

    FWIW I do think they will get a honeymoon, but it won't last long. A year max, and then the backlash will begin
    Im on a shorter period, too many "events".

    I think they'll last longer than that. They'll inherit a much more benign situation than many imagine: inflation returning to pre-covid levels*, falling energy prices, an economy is much better health than it's painted. Some stability implied by a government with a working majority and five years to go. The SNP on the wane for now. A happy broadcast media.
    They'll try to stuff it up, but Starmer is no Corbyn even if he did sit on his front bench, and there's only so much damage that politicians can do in the short term if there is a generally fair wind blowing. I give them a whole term of never being more than 5 points behind in the polls.

    *which reminds me, @BartholomewRoberts was always on about inflation falling back again - I haven't seen him recently - is he still around?
    Benign? It's the worst economic inheritance since WW2. And the state of the country's public assets is absolutely dire, everything needs fixing.

    Even inflation is only temporarily down to 2.3% - the fall in energy prices 12 months ago will push it back up above 3% by August. That and the fact that there is literally nothing there to fund a pre-election Autumn giveaway is why he is going now.
    Youve just spent years saying everything the Tories have done is rubbish and how Labour would do it all so much better.

    Nows your big chance,
    Now's
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    Sky say he is going to do it from inside #10.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    tlg86 said:

    I don't think the rain is going to stop any time soon...

    https://www.netweather.tv/live-weather/radar

    It's not stopped raining since I returned from Italy. YUK
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516

    I am going to be unbearably smug as I predicted a July election at 20/1.

    I have the bragging rights.

    I thought youd be in tears as Lord Dave gets to head off to spend more time with his shepherd's hut
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,653

    Where is the lectern?

    Sky

    The statement is to be inside Downing Street
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387

    Sky say he is going to do it from inside #10.

    You'd think somebody in Downing St. would have an umbrella?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,688
    Leon said:

    tlg86 said:

    I don't think the rain is going to stop any time soon...

    https://www.netweather.tv/live-weather/radar

    It's not stopped raining since I returned from Italy. YUK
    Well at least now we know who to blame ;)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Labour leads by 24% in Wales.

    Wales Westminster VI (18-19 May):

    Labour 43% (+3)
    Conservatives 19% (+1)
    Reform UK 15% (-3)
    Plaid Cymru 14% (–)
    Green 6% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 3% (-3)
    Other 1% (+1)

    Changes +/- 22-23 April

    Welsh poll porn to kick us off
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,352

    Sky say he is going to do it from inside #10.

    In front of a load of soggy journos.
  • northern_monkeynorthern_monkey Posts: 1,640
    My mate’s is a civil servant and they’ve had the nod from on high that it’s the 4th July.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,914
    tlg86 said:

    I don't think the rain is going to stop any time soon...

    https://www.netweather.tv/live-weather/radar

    It's unfair, but it's typical of Sunak. Call a summer election for the benefit of good weather; get rained on when you make your big announcement.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,927
    The only other thing I’d say is I have a feeling it would have been far worse for him if he’d waited til October. Maybe his advisors and private pollsters were saying the same thing to him. I don’t expect anything other than a shellacking, but maybe he’ll be able to save 200 seats. If it was left to the last possible moment, I think it could have been much worse.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    A big step closer to an electoral sanity 'slap' across the Tory party's face and hopefully an eventual return of the David Gauke, Rory Stewart types - I hope.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,945
    Bugger. I am away cycling for 10 days in France smack in the middle of this. He was supposed to check in with me first.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,300
    Downing Street should get a Wimbledon-style retractable roof for days like this.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,803

    Has this been mentioned:

    Nearly three in five Americans wrongly believe the US is in an economic recession, and the majority blame the Biden administration, according to a Harris poll conducted exclusively for the Guardian. The survey found persistent pessimism about the economy as election day draws closer.

    The poll highlighted many misconceptions people have about the economy, including:

    55% believe the economy is shrinking, and 56% think the US is experiencing a recession, though the broadest measure of the economy, gross domestic product (GDP), has been growing.
    49% believe the S&P 500 stock market index is down for the year, though the index went up about 24% in 2023 and is up more than 12% this year.
    49% believe that unemployment is at a 50-year high, though the unemployment rate has been under 4%, a near 50-year low.


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/22/poll-economy-recession-biden

    49% of Democrats think the USA is currently in recession.
    61% of Democrats think that inflation is currently increasing.

    Apparently there's a 'vibecession' phenomenon.

    Now this might be the fault of Sleepy Joe - or Trump or Brexit :wink: - or it might just be that people's expectations are increasing faster than which any government can meet.

    And likely happening in other Western countries as well.

    People are still shocked by the big price increases post COVID. A lot of people are saying “I can’t afford to do X anymore”.

    This is how most people measure prosperity.
    Saying it doesn't necessarily make it true.

    There are pay rises to go with the price rises.

    Not to mention asset value rises - firstly housing and now shares/pensions.

    But it does seem increasingly common for people to be claiming poverty even when they are certainly getting richer.

    Similarly every oldie seems to think that their pensions increase is "all being taken back through tax" or that their increased winter fuel allowance 'doesn't count'.

    I, at least, will admit to never having been as affluent as I am today.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    Remarkable to think that the last General Election was: 2019 - before Covid, before Ukraine, before Gaza, before Brexit was actually DONE. And Corbyn was the Labour candidate

    It feels like a lifetime ago
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,956
    Beth Rigby: Oliver Dowden, deputy PM, very much in favour of an early election because he feels the government has "momentum" with Rwanda, etc.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,407
    edited May 22
    This is a real leader from the Speccie which was (I believe) published today (online) or tomorrow (print)

    Paywall: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-summer-election-is-suicide-for-the-tories/
    Free: https://archive.is/payxh
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805
    Come on! Get on with it!
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,489
    It's 17:03 and no election has been called. All those predictions for 5pm were awful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,779
    Andy_JS said:

    Beth Rigby: Oliver Dowden, deputy PM, very much in favour of an early election because he feels the government has "momentum" with Rwanda, etc.

    Momentous like a lemming?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,215
    Andy_JS said:

    Beth Rigby: Oliver Dowden, deputy PM, very much in favour of an early election because he feels the government has "momentum" with Rwanda, etc.

    Yes, look at their stunning momentum in the polls. The same sort of momentum skiers enjoy on a black piste.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516

    A big step closer to an electoral sanity 'slap' across the Tory party's face and hopefully an eventual return of the David Gauke, Rory Stewart types - I hope.

    yes the type of people who end up as directors in the PO or managing blood transfusions. Just what we need.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    A general election when Scots have summer holidays booked? Nice one, aye.

    https://x.com/paulhutcheon/status/1793230921769832583
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,352

    It's 17:03 and no election has been called. All those predictions for 5pm were awful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Oh no! He's bottled it!
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,671
  • sbjme19sbjme19 Posts: 194
    Wimbledon clash. Any Tory-leaning tennis fans to be pissed off?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,956

    Where is the lectern?

    Eating fava beans.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,030

    Downing Street should get a Wimbledon-style retractable roof for days like this.

    One day the threat of drones will mean there's a permanent roof over Downing Street.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    mwadams said:
    I was just thinking the same. I feel like I am losing IQ points just watching.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    In more important news we've got some classic bank holiday weather coming our way in London - thunder on Sunday, nothing but rain on Monday. Yet some people claim there isn't a conspiracy controlling our weather?
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    The first UK general election to be held in July since 1945
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,842
    edited May 22
    Starmer will be under some serious scrutiny now. Can he handle it>?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805
    I assume he's going to do it inside but it would be lovely for him to announce it with that background of Tories out! Tories out! Tories out!
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,240
    sbjme19 said:

    Wimbledon clash. Any Tory-leaning tennis fans to be pissed off?

    Flat stage in the Tour too. Cavendish breaking the stage record is not quite going to be World Cup winning levels of feelgood boost, I fear.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    I just wonder how far Sunak has taken into account the US Election. Which made November and December that much more problematic.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,688
    viewcode said:

    This is a real leader from the Speccie which was (I believe) published today (online) or tomorrow (print)

    Paywall: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-summer-election-is-suicide-for-the-tories/
    Free: https://archive.is/payxh

    That leader article is genuinely delusional.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,158
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Leon Posts: 47,914
    3:07PM edited 3:08PM
    A friend of mine with some political connections says Yes there will be an election in July, and it will be announced around 5pm, before the news at 6

    He sometimes gets things wildly wrong, and sometimes nails things completely

    4 hours earlier

    Scott_xP Posts:
    11:02AM
    @JasonGroves1

    Westminster rumour mill in overdrive that Sunak is about to call election for July 4.
    Everybody’s been speculating about it all day. We don’t need to invent imaginary insiders to make our speculation sound retrospectively more significant.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808

    The first UK general election to be held in July since 1945

    Could be quite the echo.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,956
    Keeping everyone waiting. Clever move.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,910
    ...
    Andy_JS said:

    GIN1138 said:

    July election does seem bizarre doesn't it? If he wanted to get it over and done with early (and I don't blame him for that) why not do it on the day of the local elections?

    He could probably have saved a couple of hundred Con Councillors?

    Students at home in July perhaps.
    Robert Hayward on LBC saying the polls are more in line with locals i.e between 7% and 9% Labour lead.

    90% of callers to LBC sticking with the Tories.

    I have a bad feeling...
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,688
    Pro_Rata said:

    It's 17:03 and no election has been called. All those predictions for 5pm were awful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Oh no! He's bottled it!
    Nah. He had just delivered it behind closed doors with no one to hear it so he can claim it was all fake news later on.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,974
    The T20 World Cup Final is on June 29th.

    Thanks Rishi.

    Oooh, same day as a potential England last 16 match at Euro 2024.
  • MartinVegasMartinVegas Posts: 56
    Just got my overseas vote registration in. Rather dissapointingly, the website insists on going with the last place you registered to vote rather than the last place you lived in the UK. Turned my vote from being in a somewhat marginal seat (at least in 2019, probably safe Labour today) to a totally safe seat vote.

    Oh, and before Rishi thinks this is one more for his tally because I'm an overseas voter...Nope.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387
    Electoral Calculus has crashed...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,105
    He briefed a time, and then missed it. Numpty
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,079

    Has this been mentioned:

    Nearly three in five Americans wrongly believe the US is in an economic recession, and the majority blame the Biden administration, according to a Harris poll conducted exclusively for the Guardian. The survey found persistent pessimism about the economy as election day draws closer.

    The poll highlighted many misconceptions people have about the economy, including:

    55% believe the economy is shrinking, and 56% think the US is experiencing a recession, though the broadest measure of the economy, gross domestic product (GDP), has been growing.
    49% believe the S&P 500 stock market index is down for the year, though the index went up about 24% in 2023 and is up more than 12% this year.
    49% believe that unemployment is at a 50-year high, though the unemployment rate has been under 4%, a near 50-year low.


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/22/poll-economy-recession-biden

    49% of Democrats think the USA is currently in recession.
    61% of Democrats think that inflation is currently increasing.

    Apparently there's a 'vibecession' phenomenon.

    Now this might be the fault of Sleepy Joe - or Trump or Brexit :wink: - or it might just be that people's expectations are increasing faster than which any government can meet.

    And likely happening in other Western countries as well.

    People are still shocked by the big price increases post COVID. A lot of people are saying “I can’t afford to do X anymore”.

    This is how most people measure prosperity.
    Saying it doesn't necessarily make it true.

    There are pay rises to go with the price rises.

    Not to mention asset value rises - firstly housing and now shares/pensions.

    But it does seem increasingly common for people to be claiming poverty even when they are certainly getting richer.

    Similarly every oldie seems to think that their pensions increase is "all being taken back through tax" or that their increased winter fuel allowance 'doesn't count'.

    I, at least, will admit to never having been as affluent as I am today.
    I'm definitely poorer than I was five years ago, and struggle more to get through the month more than I did. My salary has increased quite a lot, but my outgoings have increased by more, and inflation means that the capital I have is worth less. My house is worth more but given that I will always want to live in a house this doesn't feel like wealth which does me any good whatsoever.

    It's kids' activities which are killing me. I rarely go out, I have quite basic requirements in clothing, I don't have a mortgage. Food has gone up but has actually started coming down again. But kids' activities are just going up and up and up and up. And because of working from home they have the opportunity to do so many more of them.

    Again, its worth pointing out that a return of inflation to pre-covid levels doesn't mean a return of prices to pre-covid levels.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,640
    The lectern is here!!!
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,240
    GIN1138 said:

    Electoral Calculus has crashed...

    Accuracy of its predictions unchanged
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    LECTERN!!!!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,653
    Lectern coming out
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,956
    No crest.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,910
    GIN1138 said:

    Apropos of nothing much.

    Christ, Beth Rigby is rubbish.

    I don't know how Beth and Kay kept their jobs after partying through lockdown...
    Well Rishi did.

    I wonder if Michael Watson will do a Comey and charge Rayner before the election.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,974

    viewcode said:

    This is a real leader from the Speccie which was (I believe) published today (online) or tomorrow (print)

    Paywall: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-summer-election-is-suicide-for-the-tories/
    Free: https://archive.is/payxh

    That leader article is genuinely delusional.
    What do you expect from the magazine that publishes pregnant girlfriend beater Rod Liddle, the racist Taki, and that roaster Sean Thomas.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387
    Lectern!!!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533

    I assume he's going to do it inside but it would be lovely for him to announce it with that background of Tories out! Tories out! Tories out!

    You will get your wish.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,105
    Lectern out. No crest
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    SOMEONE IS ATTACHING SOMETHING TO THE LECTERN
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    Leon said:

    SOMEONE IS ATTACHING SOMETHING TO THE LECTERN

    Bring back Liz Truss's bin bag
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    2 minute warning!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    viewcode said:

    This is a real leader from the Speccie which was (I believe) published today (online) or tomorrow (print)

    Paywall: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-summer-election-is-suicide-for-the-tories/
    Free: https://archive.is/payxh

    That leader article is genuinely delusional.
    What do you expect from the magazine that publishes pregnant girlfriend beater Rod Liddle, the racist Taki, and that roaster Sean Thomas.
    I see that the latter has just published something amusing in Unherd
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,910
    Leon said:

    SOMEONE IS ATTACHING SOMETHING TO THE LECTERN

    Rishi?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,248
    edited May 22

    Starmer will be under some serious scrutiny now. Can he handle it>?

    I've no idea, but it sounds unpleasant.

    Or it did until you edited it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,137
    Shadow Cabinet busy cancelling all their summer holiday plans.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,139
    Leon said:

    tlg86 said:

    I don't think the rain is going to stop any time soon...

    https://www.netweather.tv/live-weather/radar

    It's not stopped raining since I returned from Italy. YUK
    A week ago today, I was in York, very sunny!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Pmqs Wed's for the full defection shuffle!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,139
    Andy_JS said:

    Keeping everyone waiting. Clever move.

    He needed to change his pants??
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Can we stop with the shit about who has the best pro

    ...

    Andy_JS said:

    GIN1138 said:

    July election does seem bizarre doesn't it? If he wanted to get it over and done with early (and I don't blame him for that) why not do it on the day of the local elections?

    He could probably have saved a couple of hundred Con Councillors?

    Students at home in July perhaps.
    Robert Hayward on LBC saying the polls are more in line with locals i.e between 7% and 9% Labour lead.

    90% of callers to LBC sticking with the Tories.

    I have a bad feeling...
    It’s not really a “bad feeling”. You have been predicting a Tory win on here for as long as I can remember. It’s your prediction. Stick with it or say it’s all based on “feels”. Either way come up with something better than “90% of calls to LBC”. Sure, theTories might win, but you need to present more cogent evidence than a funny feeling in your water and 1992.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,640
    Here we go!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,679
    This is great except for one thing - it clashes with a lot of sporting stuff I was planning to immerse myself in.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    edited May 22
    I finished uni a week ago. All I wanted to do this summer was drink M&S cocktails in fields before embarking on 50 years of soul destroying work with little disposable income, followed by an overdue and likely impoverished retirement.

    Now even that has seemingly been taken away.


    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/1793276777428644010?s=61&t=zKbRKoZtYWU8Dmpp8GlX6Q
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,974
    Here he is.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,956
    edited May 22
    Rigby: Ed Davey is already on his way to an important Tory marginal in Surrey.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,436

    A big step closer to an electoral sanity 'slap' across the Tory party's face and hopefully an eventual return of the David Gauke, Rory Stewart types - I hope.

    Speaking of Rory, there will be an emergency The Rest Is Politics at 5.30 and I dare say most other politics podcasts and news programmes as well. So long as they do not interfere with the Masterchef final at 8pm.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,910
    Resignation??????
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    He is getting pissed on with the rain.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,956
    Suit getting wet.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    The heavy rain on his shoulders seems awful symbolic
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,769

    Lectern coming out

    Congratulations to it for finding the courage to speak up, after all those years, living a double life...
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449

    The first UK general election to be held in July since 1945

    Could be quite the echo.
    It's interesting how Autumn GEs have fallen out of favour. They were the most common time to hold a GE in the first 2/3rds of the 20th century but we haven't had once since 1974.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    edited May 22
    Sunak standing in the rain for his speech sums it up really.

    I almost feel a bit sorry for him.
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