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SandyRentool said:

Nigelb said:

"Blue hydrogen" is even more unjustifiable economically.
It's effectively government subsiding the mass production of a product for which there isn't a demand beyond the existing market, in the hope of creating one.

And the cost of production, while for now substantially cheaper than 'green hydrogen' (produced by electrolysis of water, is both subject to commodity prices, and technologically unlikely to fall much.
Whereas ghee's a great deal of headrooom to improve the efficiency and capital cost of bulk electrolysis.

A lot of industry wants to fuel switch from natural gas to low carbon hydrogen in order to decarbonise their operations.

Then we have the whole question of domestic heating. Hydrogen boilers or god-awful heat pumps and an entirely new central heating system. I know which I prefer.

Scott_xP said:

@kateferguson4

EXCL: Rishi Sunak may call a summer election if he avoids a Tory wipeout in the locals on May 2.

The choice between June/July and October/November is now "paper thin", government sources say

But Tory MPs say they could topple Rishi if he dares go early

MattW said:

FT: global gut of solar panels reduces prices to unique lows.

Quite remarkable, even in the UK solar panels are down to under 20p/watt.

https://archive.ph/wCxWq

Caveat for PBers are that these are the panels, so that you need someone who knows how to put together a system. But worth buying for a future project if eg you are using them as an off grid setup.

I wouldn't be investing in a Western panel maker at this stage, as either a bloodbath or major subsidies are probably on the way. It feels a little like the previous occasion when the German solar panel industry evaporated.

Thread here:
https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/topic/38105-cheaper-to-make-a-fence-from-pv/

Casino_Royale said:

JosiasJessop said:

Casino_Royale said:

LostPassword said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Leon said:

This is quite something. Guy's first reaction to the Sydney killings is to feed it into his.... anti-bike-lane narrative

"The police and ambulance staging outside Westfield Bondi Junction would have been severely impacted by bike lanes which had been proposed for the area. The Eastern Suburbs is a heavily congested area which impacts ambo arrival and transport. This will be a first responder case study for years."

https://x.com/VoteLewko/status/1779048501395263845

Hypothetical bike lanes are evil and the lady policeman lost her hat.

What gets me about the whole Ukraine situation is that there's no provision for vegans

Like, OK, 300,000 are dead and Russia has laid waste to most of east Ukraine and it will possibly turn into World War Three but surely there could be at least one pop-up falafel stall? Is that so hard? Or a tofu buffet in a tent?

Outside of London, Brighton and its colonies Veganism is non-existent in most parts of Europe.

In fact, it would be considered deeply weird.

Vegan food can be found in every supermarket in Britain and Ireland, possibly Europe.

It's possible that this is because a few Vegan activists have captured the decision-making of Europe's supermarkets, and at some point they will stop throwing money (and unsold vegan food) away, but I think it shows that there is a niche there, and there are actually a few vegans, sprinkled around the place.

Are you sure your neighbour isn't a vegan?

The fact that almost all supermarkets might have a (tiny) section of plant-based crap around the nation doesn't disprove the point.

Veganism is a tiny percentage (2-3% of the population, at best) and that cultural and social phenomenon is heavily concentrated in London and Brighton and a few other Met colonies, which manage to spin off and sustain a few restaurants and so forth.

Elsewhere it's negligible but of course supermarkets cater to all tastes, just as they sell all sorts of niche ingredients and foods to others who exist in even fewer numbers.

"plant-based crap"
How do you know it's 'crap' if you don't eat it?

"Elsewhere it's negligible"
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ha ha ha ha-ha-ha-ha ha ha ha

I'm in Bulgaria right now, you dipstick. Doesn't exist.

Even by virtue of that wanker map you linked to.

Casino_Royale said:

Anabobazina said:

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:

kamski said:

Leon said:

Leon said:

Remember Leon’s Motto for Lifetime Happiness

Every year you should

1. Make a new friend
2. Visit a new country
3. Fuck a new woman

The latter is optional but ONLY if you are desperately in love

This is genuinely good advice by the way. I think I’ve managed it every year since my late 30s. Apart from the years when desperately in love, and even then there’s an argument you should do (3) just to “keep your hand in”

Never mind desperately in love, just sounds desperate.

Sad to see you back, I was hoping you'd "found some better place"

You do know I came back for JUST this reaction, don’t you?

You weren't gone that long. Just the equivalent of a long weekend. An impressive and theatrical flounce, nonetheless.

Yes it wasn’t an epic of a flounce. About a week?

I’ll tell you what tho. I got a noticeably larger amount of work done. So I may be a little more absent in future. Except when I’m travelling and want to post photos of drinks obvs

I need to flounce, midweek. Instead I waste good earning time whining about SHIT spelling on here and arguing with @Mexicanpete, which is like trying to put lipstick on a pig.

You're not really a proper pb'er until you've had at least one good flounce.

Malmesbury said:

Casino_Royale said:

JosiasJessop said:

Casino_Royale said:

LostPassword said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Leon said:

This is quite something. Guy's first reaction to the Sydney killings is to feed it into his.... anti-bike-lane narrative

"The police and ambulance staging outside Westfield Bondi Junction would have been severely impacted by bike lanes which had been proposed for the area. The Eastern Suburbs is a heavily congested area which impacts ambo arrival and transport. This will be a first responder case study for years."

https://x.com/VoteLewko/status/1779048501395263845

Hypothetical bike lanes are evil and the lady policeman lost her hat.

What gets me about the whole Ukraine situation is that there's no provision for vegans

Like, OK, 300,000 are dead and Russia has laid waste to most of east Ukraine and it will possibly turn into World War Three but surely there could be at least one pop-up falafel stall? Is that so hard? Or a tofu buffet in a tent?

Outside of London, Brighton and its colonies Veganism is non-existent in most parts of Europe.

In fact, it would be considered deeply weird.

Vegan food can be found in every supermarket in Britain and Ireland, possibly Europe.

It's possible that this is because a few Vegan activists have captured the decision-making of Europe's supermarkets, and at some point they will stop throwing money (and unsold vegan food) away, but I think it shows that there is a niche there, and there are actually a few vegans, sprinkled around the place.

Are you sure your neighbour isn't a vegan?

The fact that almost all supermarkets might have a (tiny) section of plant-based crap around the nation doesn't disprove the point.

Veganism is a tiny percentage (2-3% of the population, at best) and that cultural and social phenomenon is heavily concentrated in London and Brighton and a few other Met colonies, which manage to spin off and sustain a few restaurants and so forth.

Elsewhere it's negligible but of course supermarkets cater to all tastes, just as they sell all sorts of niche ingredients and foods to others who exist in even fewer numbers.

"plant-based crap"
How do you know it's 'crap' if you don't eat it?

"Elsewhere it's negligible"
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ha ha ha ha-ha-ha-ha ha ha ha

I'm in Bulgaria right now, you dipstick. Doesn't exist.

Even by virtue of that wanker map you linked to.

Are they still doing the 0.5/1kg options for how much meat, even in the posher Sofia places?

OldKingCole said:

MattW said:

FT: global gut of solar panels reduces prices to unique lows.

Quite remarkable, even in the UK solar panels are down to under 20p/watt.

https://archive.ph/wCxWq

Caveat for PBers are that these are the panels, so that you need someone who knows how to put together a system. But worth buying for a future project if eg you are using them as an off grid setup.

I wouldn't be investing in a Western panel maker at this stage, as either a bloodbath or major subsidies are probably on the way. It feels a little like the previous occasion when the German solar panel industry evaporated.

Thread here:
https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/topic/38105-cheaper-to-make-a-fence-from-pv/

Got a very reasonable quote last week, via the local Council. Advisor’s coming round in a few weeks to review situation.

MattW said:

FT: global gut of solar panels reduces prices to unique lows.

Quite remarkable, even in the UK solar panels are down to under 20p/watt.

https://archive.ph/wCxWq

Caveat for PBers are that these are the panels, so that you need someone who knows how to put together a system. But worth buying for a future project if eg you are using them as an off grid setup.

I wouldn't be investing in a Western panel maker at this stage, as either a bloodbath or major subsidies are probably on the way. It feels a little like the previous occasion when the German solar panel industry evaporated.

Thread here:
https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/topic/38105-cheaper-to-make-a-fence-from-pv/

Leon said:

isam said:

In 2018, Stonewall literally told schools to shred a research pack saying there were risks to puberty blockers. "We, in the strongest possible terms, denounce and condemn this publication. If it lands on your desk, do the right thing: shred it.” 1/3

In 2022 Stonewall told the world that 'research' suggests two year olds can be trans. It advocated for nurseries - NURSERIES - to start teaching kids that there are more genders than boy and girl. 2/3

Politicians have snuggled up to Stonewall and Mermaids, given them privileged places at the table and adopted their talking points, to the detriment of very vulnerable children, young people and women. When are we going to see this fully investigated? When will this end? 3/X

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1779090482393493508?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

I love the sound of ANGRY JK in the morning. It is the sound of victory

ydoethur said:

Anabobazina said:

Can someone explain to me the RUBBISH Sky coverage of The Masters? Please?

Why are we hearing chat from Nick Faldo and Laura Davies on the patio, when there are guys out on the course?

Because Sky are not very good at covering sport.

They pay vast amounts of money out, but generally do a pretty underwhelming job of actually broadcasting it.

Casino_Royale said:

Anabobazina said:

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:

kamski said:

Leon said:

Leon said:

Remember Leon’s Motto for Lifetime Happiness

Every year you should

1. Make a new friend
2. Visit a new country
3. Fuck a new woman

The latter is optional but ONLY if you are desperately in love

This is genuinely good advice by the way. I think I’ve managed it every year since my late 30s. Apart from the years when desperately in love, and even then there’s an argument you should do (3) just to “keep your hand in”

Never mind desperately in love, just sounds desperate.

Sad to see you back, I was hoping you'd "found some better place"

You do know I came back for JUST this reaction, don’t you?

You weren't gone that long. Just the equivalent of a long weekend. An impressive and theatrical flounce, nonetheless.

Yes it wasn’t an epic of a flounce. About a week?

I’ll tell you what tho. I got a noticeably larger amount of work done. So I may be a little more absent in future. Except when I’m travelling and want to post photos of drinks obvs

I need to flounce, midweek. Instead I waste good earning time whining about SHIT spelling on here and arguing with @Mexicanpete, which is like trying to put lipstick on a pig.

You're not really a proper pb'er until you've had at least one good flounce.

Chris said:

Scott_xP said:

@PolitlcsUK

🚨 NEW: Tory rebels are planning to install Boris Johnson as Deputy Chairman if Suella Braverman becomes party leader

[@katefergurson4]

How wise the Loony Party was to include the word "Official" in its registered title.

Nigelb said:

Casino_Royale said:

JosiasJessop said:

Casino_Royale said:

LostPassword said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Leon said:

This is quite something. Guy's first reaction to the Sydney killings is to feed it into his.... anti-bike-lane narrative

"The police and ambulance staging outside Westfield Bondi Junction would have been severely impacted by bike lanes which had been proposed for the area. The Eastern Suburbs is a heavily congested area which impacts ambo arrival and transport. This will be a first responder case study for years."

https://x.com/VoteLewko/status/1779048501395263845

Hypothetical bike lanes are evil and the lady policeman lost her hat.

What gets me about the whole Ukraine situation is that there's no provision for vegans

Like, OK, 300,000 are dead and Russia has laid waste to most of east Ukraine and it will possibly turn into World War Three but surely there could be at least one pop-up falafel stall? Is that so hard? Or a tofu buffet in a tent?

Outside of London, Brighton and its colonies Veganism is non-existent in most parts of Europe.

In fact, it would be considered deeply weird.

Vegan food can be found in every supermarket in Britain and Ireland, possibly Europe.

It's possible that this is because a few Vegan activists have captured the decision-making of Europe's supermarkets, and at some point they will stop throwing money (and unsold vegan food) away, but I think it shows that there is a niche there, and there are actually a few vegans, sprinkled around the place.

Are you sure your neighbour isn't a vegan?

The fact that almost all supermarkets might have a (tiny) section of plant-based crap around the nation doesn't disprove the point.

Veganism is a tiny percentage (2-3% of the population, at best) and that cultural and social phenomenon is heavily concentrated in London and Brighton and a few other Met colonies, which manage to spin off and sustain a few restaurants and so forth.

Elsewhere it's negligible but of course supermarkets cater to all tastes, just as they sell all sorts of niche ingredients and foods to others who exist in even fewer numbers.

"plant-based crap"
How do you know it's 'crap' if you don't eat it?

"Elsewhere it's negligible"
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ha ha ha ha-ha-ha-ha ha ha ha

I'm in Bulgaria right now, you dipstick. Doesn't exist.

Even by virtue of that wanker map you linked to.

Bulgaria is reportedly one of the worst in Europe if you're vegan, but it doesn't seem to be impossible to subsist there.
https://charlieontravel.com/vegan-travel-challenge-week-2-bulgaria/

Casino_Royale said:

Malmesbury said:

Casino_Royale said:

JosiasJessop said:

Casino_Royale said:

LostPassword said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Leon said:

This is quite something. Guy's first reaction to the Sydney killings is to feed it into his.... anti-bike-lane narrative

"The police and ambulance staging outside Westfield Bondi Junction would have been severely impacted by bike lanes which had been proposed for the area. The Eastern Suburbs is a heavily congested area which impacts ambo arrival and transport. This will be a first responder case study for years."

https://x.com/VoteLewko/status/1779048501395263845

Hypothetical bike lanes are evil and the lady policeman lost her hat.

What gets me about the whole Ukraine situation is that there's no provision for vegans

Like, OK, 300,000 are dead and Russia has laid waste to most of east Ukraine and it will possibly turn into World War Three but surely there could be at least one pop-up falafel stall? Is that so hard? Or a tofu buffet in a tent?

Outside of London, Brighton and its colonies Veganism is non-existent in most parts of Europe.

In fact, it would be considered deeply weird.

Vegan food can be found in every supermarket in Britain and Ireland, possibly Europe.

It's possible that this is because a few Vegan activists have captured the decision-making of Europe's supermarkets, and at some point they will stop throwing money (and unsold vegan food) away, but I think it shows that there is a niche there, and there are actually a few vegans, sprinkled around the place.

Are you sure your neighbour isn't a vegan?

The fact that almost all supermarkets might have a (tiny) section of plant-based crap around the nation doesn't disprove the point.

Veganism is a tiny percentage (2-3% of the population, at best) and that cultural and social phenomenon is heavily concentrated in London and Brighton and a few other Met colonies, which manage to spin off and sustain a few restaurants and so forth.

Elsewhere it's negligible but of course supermarkets cater to all tastes, just as they sell all sorts of niche ingredients and foods to others who exist in even fewer numbers.

"plant-based crap"
How do you know it's 'crap' if you don't eat it?

"Elsewhere it's negligible"
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ha ha ha ha-ha-ha-ha ha ha ha

I'm in Bulgaria right now, you dipstick. Doesn't exist.

Even by virtue of that wanker map you linked to.

Are they still doing the 0.5/1kg options for how much meat, even in the posher Sofia places?

Dunno, but my father-in-law has a got a whole lamb (and a mean a whole one - even the head) in the garage ready for a spit-roast tomorrow.

In the UK it'd probably cost, like, £300 but it's not much here.

ydoethur said:

SandyRentool said:

Nigelb said:

"Blue hydrogen" is even more unjustifiable economically.
It's effectively government subsiding the mass production of a product for which there isn't a demand beyond the existing market, in the hope of creating one.

And the cost of production, while for now substantially cheaper than 'green hydrogen' (produced by electrolysis of water, is both subject to commodity prices, and technologically unlikely to fall much.
Whereas ghee's a great deal of headrooom to improve the efficiency and capital cost of bulk electrolysis.

A lot of industry wants to fuel switch from natural gas to low carbon hydrogen in order to decarbonise their operations.

Then we have the whole question of domestic heating. Hydrogen boilers or god-awful heat pumps and an entirely new central heating system. I know which I prefer.

The ghosts of those who died in R101, R38 and the Hindenburg are waving at you...

But not the Shenandoah. That had helium.

SandyRentool said:

ydoethur said:

SandyRentool said:

Nigelb said:

"Blue hydrogen" is even more unjustifiable economically.
It's effectively government subsiding the mass production of a product for which there isn't a demand beyond the existing market, in the hope of creating one.

And the cost of production, while for now substantially cheaper than 'green hydrogen' (produced by electrolysis of water, is both subject to commodity prices, and technologically unlikely to fall much.
Whereas ghee's a great deal of headrooom to improve the efficiency and capital cost of bulk electrolysis.

A lot of industry wants to fuel switch from natural gas to low carbon hydrogen in order to decarbonise their operations.

Then we have the whole question of domestic heating. Hydrogen boilers or god-awful heat pumps and an entirely new central heating system. I know which I prefer.

The ghosts of those who died in R101, R38 and the Hindenburg are waving at you...

But not the Shenandoah. That had helium.

Full marks for mentioning the Hindenburg.

Zero marks for failing to mention the multitude of deaths from natural gas explosions and carbon monoxide poisoning.

While hydrogen is more likely to leak, it disperses more readily so you are less likely to end up with an explosive mixture inside a building. And it doesn't generate CO when it burns. Or CO2 of course, which is the primary point of fuel switching.

Richard_Tyndall said:

Fairliered said:

LostPassword said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Leon said:

This is quite something. Guy's first reaction to the Sydney killings is to feed it into his.... anti-bike-lane narrative

"The police and ambulance staging outside Westfield Bondi Junction would have been severely impacted by bike lanes which had been proposed for the area. The Eastern Suburbs is a heavily congested area which impacts ambo arrival and transport. This will be a first responder case study for years."

https://x.com/VoteLewko/status/1779048501395263845

Hypothetical bike lanes are evil and the lady policeman lost her hat.

What gets me about the whole Ukraine situation is that there's no provision for vegans

Like, OK, 300,000 are dead and Russia has laid waste to most of east Ukraine and it will possibly turn into World War Three but surely there could be at least one pop-up falafel stall? Is that so hard? Or a tofu buffet in a tent?

Outside of London, Brighton and its colonies Veganism is non-existent in most parts of Europe.

In fact, it would be considered deeply weird.

Vegan food can be found in every supermarket in Britain and Ireland, possibly Europe.

It's possible that this is because a few Vegan activists have captured the decision-making of Europe's supermarkets, and at some point they will stop throwing money (and unsold vegan food) away, but I think it shows that there is a niche there, and there are actually a few vegans, sprinkled around the place.

Are you sure your neighbour isn't a vegan?

I have black, muslim, Irish, Albanian and even Scottish neighbours. No problem with any of them. But I also have a vegan neighbour. 😱

I suspect this is because no one has an interest in converting you to being black, muslim, Irish or Albanian (and I presume you are already Scottish) whist the messanic zeal of some vegans would put 19th century Christian missionaries or 7th Day Adventists to shame.

I wouldn't dream of criticising a vegan for what they eat and yet those I have met seem incapable of getting through a meal without making some comment on either the health or morality aspects of what is on my plate. More than anything it is just tiresome.

JosiasJessop said:

SandyRentool said:

Nigelb said:

"Blue hydrogen" is even more unjustifiable economically.
It's effectively government subsiding the mass production of a product for which there isn't a demand beyond the existing market, in the hope of creating one.

And the cost of production, while for now substantially cheaper than 'green hydrogen' (produced by electrolysis of water, is both subject to commodity prices, and technologically unlikely to fall much.
Whereas ghee's a great deal of headrooom to improve the efficiency and capital cost of bulk electrolysis.

A lot of industry wants to fuel switch from natural gas to low carbon hydrogen in order to decarbonise their operations.

Then we have the whole question of domestic heating. Hydrogen boilers or god-awful heat pumps and an entirely new central heating system. I know which I prefer.

I'm no expert, but I'm not keen on getting hydrogen supplied through the existing gas pipes into our homes. AIUI they want to mix it with methane to avoid problems - which also makes it kinda pointless.

Hydrogen might be the answer, but blue hydrogen certainly isn't.

Foxy said:

Nigelb said:

Casino_Royale said:

JosiasJessop said:

Casino_Royale said:

LostPassword said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Leon said:

This is quite something. Guy's first reaction to the Sydney killings is to feed it into his.... anti-bike-lane narrative

"The police and ambulance staging outside Westfield Bondi Junction would have been severely impacted by bike lanes which had been proposed for the area. The Eastern Suburbs is a heavily congested area which impacts ambo arrival and transport. This will be a first responder case study for years."

https://x.com/VoteLewko/status/1779048501395263845

Hypothetical bike lanes are evil and the lady policeman lost her hat.

What gets me about the whole Ukraine situation is that there's no provision for vegans

Like, OK, 300,000 are dead and Russia has laid waste to most of east Ukraine and it will possibly turn into World War Three but surely there could be at least one pop-up falafel stall? Is that so hard? Or a tofu buffet in a tent?

Outside of London, Brighton and its colonies Veganism is non-existent in most parts of Europe.

In fact, it would be considered deeply weird.

Vegan food can be found in every supermarket in Britain and Ireland, possibly Europe.

It's possible that this is because a few Vegan activists have captured the decision-making of Europe's supermarkets, and at some point they will stop throwing money (and unsold vegan food) away, but I think it shows that there is a niche there, and there are actually a few vegans, sprinkled around the place.

Are you sure your neighbour isn't a vegan?

The fact that almost all supermarkets might have a (tiny) section of plant-based crap around the nation doesn't disprove the point.

Veganism is a tiny percentage (2-3% of the population, at best) and that cultural and social phenomenon is heavily concentrated in London and Brighton and a few other Met colonies, which manage to spin off and sustain a few restaurants and so forth.

Elsewhere it's negligible but of course supermarkets cater to all tastes, just as they sell all sorts of niche ingredients and foods to others who exist in even fewer numbers.

"plant-based crap"
How do you know it's 'crap' if you don't eat it?

"Elsewhere it's negligible"
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ha ha ha ha-ha-ha-ha ha ha ha

I'm in Bulgaria right now, you dipstick. Doesn't exist.

Even by virtue of that wanker map you linked to.

Bulgaria is reportedly one of the worst in Europe if you're vegan, but it doesn't seem to be impossible to subsist there.
https://charlieontravel.com/vegan-travel-challenge-week-2-bulgaria/

It's fairly easy to be Vegan/Vegetarian in many places. The key however is not to mention it, just order the many Vegan or vegetarian dishes on the menu. Asking for a vegetarian menu just confuses them.

Anabobazina said:

Can someone explain to me the RUBBISH Sky coverage of The Masters? Please?

Why are we hearing chat from Nick Faldo and Laura Davies on the patio, when there are guys out on the course?

Leon said:

Seeing as convo is quite random, a question

Does anyone have any exciting fish recipes? I accept this is not quite OMG IRAN HAS ATTACKED ISRAEL

But there's a lot of culinarily clever people here on PB. I love fish and I like fish recipes that take about 30-40 minutes, to prep and cook. Enough to be a tiny mental challenge and to use my hands satisfyingly, but not Michelin standards of complexity and boiling-fish-heads-for-stock

My ideal is this fish risotto which I found on BBC GoodFood, which - if suitably adapted with garlic, white wine, parmesan, dashi, and parsley, is fab, and takes about 30-35 mins

https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/smoked-haddock-leek-risotto

Ideas welcome. Gratitude

Indeed I'd take this for any healthy meat: venison, guineafowl etc

Sandpit said:

MattW said:

FT: global gut of solar panels reduces prices to unique lows.

Quite remarkable, even in the UK solar panels are down to under 20p/watt.

https://archive.ph/wCxWq

Caveat for PBers are that these are the panels, so that you need someone who knows how to put together a system. But worth buying for a future project if eg you are using them as an off grid setup.

I wouldn't be investing in a Western panel maker at this stage, as either a bloodbath or major subsidies are probably on the way. It feels a little like the previous occasion when the German solar panel industry evaporated.

Thread here:
https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/topic/38105-cheaper-to-make-a-fence-from-pv/

At some point, that madcap idea of buying up a few square miles of Morocco for a solar farm, and running a cable to England with the power, won’t seem quite so madcap.

SandyRentool said:

ydoethur said:

SandyRentool said:

Nigelb said:

"Blue hydrogen" is even more unjustifiable economically.
It's effectively government subsiding the mass production of a product for which there isn't a demand beyond the existing market, in the hope of creating one.

And the cost of production, while for now substantially cheaper than 'green hydrogen' (produced by electrolysis of water, is both subject to commodity prices, and technologically unlikely to fall much.
Whereas ghee's a great deal of headrooom to improve the efficiency and capital cost of bulk electrolysis.

A lot of industry wants to fuel switch from natural gas to low carbon hydrogen in order to decarbonise their operations.

Then we have the whole question of domestic heating. Hydrogen boilers or god-awful heat pumps and an entirely new central heating system. I know which I prefer.

The ghosts of those who died in R101, R38 and the Hindenburg are waving at you...

But not the Shenandoah. That had helium.

Full marks for mentioning the Hindenburg.

Zero marks for failing to mention the multitude of deaths from natural gas explosions and carbon monoxide poisoning.

While hydrogen is more likely to leak, it disperses more readily so you are less likely to end up with an explosive mixture inside a building. And it doesn't generate CO when it burns. Or CO2 of course, which is the primary point of fuel switching.

Yokes said:

Actions in Israel and Jordan suggest they think the Iranians are going to launch the much talked about attack tonight.

Anabobazina said:

Can someone explain to me the RUBBISH Sky coverage of The Masters? Please?

Why are we hearing chat from Nick Faldo and Laura Davies on the patio, when there are guys out on the course?

JosiasJessop said:

Yokes said:

Actions in Israel and Jordan suggest they think the Iranians are going to launch the much talked about attack tonight.

My question is whether it will be directly from Iran, or via Iranian proxies, or both.

Worrying times; and I don't think Biden's got the capability to deal with it.

ydoethur said:

SandyRentool said:

Nigelb said:

"Blue hydrogen" is even more unjustifiable economically.
It's effectively government subsiding the mass production of a product for which there isn't a demand beyond the existing market, in the hope of creating one.

And the cost of production, while for now substantially cheaper than 'green hydrogen' (produced by electrolysis of water, is both subject to commodity prices, and technologically unlikely to fall much.
Whereas ghee's a great deal of headrooom to improve the efficiency and capital cost of bulk electrolysis.

A lot of industry wants to fuel switch from natural gas to low carbon hydrogen in order to decarbonise their operations.

Then we have the whole question of domestic heating. Hydrogen boilers or god-awful heat pumps and an entirely new central heating system. I know which I prefer.

The ghosts of those who died in R101, R38 and the Hindenburg are waving at you...

But not the Shenandoah. That had helium.

Yokes said:

Actions in Israel and Jordan suggest they think the Iranians are going to launch the much talked about attack tonight.

boulay said:

Leon said:

Seeing as convo is quite random, a question

Does anyone have any exciting fish recipes? I accept this is not quite OMG IRAN HAS ATTACKED ISRAEL

But there's a lot of culinarily clever people here on PB. I love fish and I like fish recipes that take about 30-40 minutes, to prep and cook. Enough to be a tiny mental challenge and to use my hands satisfyingly, but not Michelin standards of complexity and boiling-fish-heads-for-stock

My ideal is this fish risotto which I found on BBC GoodFood, which - if suitably adapted with garlic, white wine, parmesan, dashi, and parsley, is fab, and takes about 30-35 mins

https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/smoked-haddock-leek-risotto

Ideas welcome. Gratitude

Indeed I'd take this for any healthy meat: venison, guineafowl etc

Not strictly a recipe but I used to go to a restaurant in St Malo a lot, which sadly is no longer, where they did a fantastic dish of monkfish in a light curry sauce in a crêpe. Lots of green vegetables and French fries on the side. Sounds odd but really worked very well. So monkfish with a light curry sauce with whatever else you want I guess.

kjh said:

ydoethur said:

SandyRentool said:

Nigelb said:

"Blue hydrogen" is even more unjustifiable economically.
It's effectively government subsiding the mass production of a product for which there isn't a demand beyond the existing market, in the hope of creating one.

And the cost of production, while for now substantially cheaper than 'green hydrogen' (produced by electrolysis of water, is both subject to commodity prices, and technologically unlikely to fall much.
Whereas ghee's a great deal of headrooom to improve the efficiency and capital cost of bulk electrolysis.

A lot of industry wants to fuel switch from natural gas to low carbon hydrogen in order to decarbonise their operations.

Then we have the whole question of domestic heating. Hydrogen boilers or god-awful heat pumps and an entirely new central heating system. I know which I prefer.

The ghosts of those who died in R101, R38 and the Hindenburg are waving at you...

But not the Shenandoah. That had helium.

So I always assumed that hydrogen airships(oxymoron) were a very stupid idea because, you know, hydrogen isn't the most stable of elements, but as it turns out it is quite hard to set fire to one and I know this because of the efforts to shoot down Zeppelins during WW1.

Initially that shot at them but bullets simply went through and the leakage was trivial compared to the amount in the balloon. Next they invented the tracer bullet so as to set fire to it. It had phosphorus inside a bullet with a plug that would melt when fired. As the bullet spun there would be a flame as the phosphorus ignited on contact with the air. However that failed because as it entered the airship into the hydrogen it would go out because there was no oxygen. Next they invented the exploding bullet (I believe it used nitroglycerine) and the machine guns on the planes had alternating explosive bullets and tracer bullets. However this was still difficult to make work and when they strafed the airship from one length to the other it still did not ignite. Finally a pilot concentrated his fire on one spot and got a Zeppelin to ignite and as a bonus won himself the VC.

Not often I know stuff like this.

JosiasJessop said:

Malmesbury said:

SandyRentool said:

ydoethur said:

SandyRentool said:

Nigelb said:

"Blue hydrogen" is even more unjustifiable economically.
It's effectively government subsiding the mass production of a product for which there isn't a demand beyond the existing market, in the hope of creating one.

And the cost of production, while for now substantially cheaper than 'green hydrogen' (produced by electrolysis of water, is both subject to commodity prices, and technologically unlikely to fall much.
Whereas ghee's a great deal of headrooom to improve the efficiency and capital cost of bulk electrolysis.

A lot of industry wants to fuel switch from natural gas to low carbon hydrogen in order to decarbonise their operations.

Then we have the whole question of domestic heating. Hydrogen boilers or god-awful heat pumps and an entirely new central heating system. I know which I prefer.

The ghosts of those who died in R101, R38 and the Hindenburg are waving at you...

But not the Shenandoah. That had helium.

Full marks for mentioning the Hindenburg.

Zero marks for failing to mention the multitude of deaths from natural gas explosions and carbon monoxide poisoning.

While hydrogen is more likely to leak, it disperses more readily so you are less likely to end up with an explosive mixture inside a building. And it doesn't generate CO when it burns. Or CO2 of course, which is the primary point of fuel switching.

On the other hand, as someone who actually done work, personally, with hydrogen, I do not think that re-writing safety rules is a good idea.

The handling rules for hydrogen would mean replacing all pipes it runs in - unless you can guarantee composition and gas tighteness. Which is much more difficult than for natural gas.

The plumber who did some work for me recently, was hydrogen trained. Except they hadn’t actually used hydrogen on the course. Because they hadn’t refitted the training site and it was judged too dangerous…

Ben Rich's Skunkworks book contains some good anecdotes of when Lockheed were trying to build the hydrogen-powered Suntan. It was problematic, to say the least - although it did inrectly lead to the Blackbird, and also some of the knowledge gained was used in the space program.

(Skunkworks is an excellent book.)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Skunk-Works-Personal-Memoir-Lockheed/dp/0316743003

Leon said:

boulay said:

Leon said:

Seeing as convo is quite random, a question

Does anyone have any exciting fish recipes? I accept this is not quite OMG IRAN HAS ATTACKED ISRAEL

But there's a lot of culinarily clever people here on PB. I love fish and I like fish recipes that take about 30-40 minutes, to prep and cook. Enough to be a tiny mental challenge and to use my hands satisfyingly, but not Michelin standards of complexity and boiling-fish-heads-for-stock

My ideal is this fish risotto which I found on BBC GoodFood, which - if suitably adapted with garlic, white wine, parmesan, dashi, and parsley, is fab, and takes about 30-35 mins

https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/smoked-haddock-leek-risotto

Ideas welcome. Gratitude

Indeed I'd take this for any healthy meat: venison, guineafowl etc

Not strictly a recipe but I used to go to a restaurant in St Malo a lot, which sadly is no longer, where they did a fantastic dish of monkfish in a light curry sauce in a crêpe. Lots of green vegetables and French fries on the side. Sounds odd but really worked very well. So monkfish with a light curry sauce with whatever else you want I guess.

Cool, thanks

I may just go to my local fishmonger in Primrose Hill, see what they've got, then work from there. Probably that makes sense, in fact

SandyRentool said:

JosiasJessop said:

SandyRentool said:

ydoethur said:

SandyRentool said:

Nigelb said:

"Blue hydrogen" is even more unjustifiable economically.
It's effectively government subsiding the mass production of a product for which there isn't a demand beyond the existing market, in the hope of creating one.

And the cost of production, while for now substantially cheaper than 'green hydrogen' (produced by electrolysis of water, is both subject to commodity prices, and technologically unlikely to fall much.
Whereas ghee's a great deal of headrooom to improve the efficiency and capital cost of bulk electrolysis.

A lot of industry wants to fuel switch from natural gas to low carbon hydrogen in order to decarbonise their operations.

Then we have the whole question of domestic heating. Hydrogen boilers or god-awful heat pumps and an entirely new central heating system. I know which I prefer.

The ghosts of those who died in R101, R38 and the Hindenburg are waving at you...

But not the Shenandoah. That had helium.

Full marks for mentioning the Hindenburg.

Zero marks for failing to mention the multitude of deaths from natural gas explosions and carbon monoxide poisoning.

While hydrogen is more likely to leak, it disperses more readily so you are less likely to end up with an explosive mixture inside a building. And it doesn't generate CO when it burns. Or CO2 of course, which is the primary point of fuel switching.

"it disperses more readily so you are less likely to end up with an explosive mixture inside a building"

But you are more likely to end up with a leak, coz hydrogen loves leaking.

Yes I said that.

On balance, the risk is about the same as natural gas. And most of us consider that to be an acceptable risk.

Luckyguy1983 said:

JosiasJessop said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

JosiasJessop said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Like people bringing dinosaurs back to life, prospective vegans should spend a little less time thinking about whether they could, and a little more pondering whether they should.

And the answer is yes.

Are you vegan? That would account for the mood swings tbf.

No. But I occasionally cook vegan food coz it tastes nice. And I know a few vegans who I respect both personally and professionally.

As for my mood: at least whatever mood I'm in, I wouldn't use the deaths of 298 people to shill for Russia.. What 'mood' were you in when you did that?

Ah OK, just a risible hypocrite then.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Anabobazina said:

Can someone explain to me the RUBBISH Sky coverage of The Masters? Please?

Why are we hearing chat from Nick Faldo and Laura Davies on the patio, when there are guys out on the course?

This isn't new, I am not much of a golf aficionado but even I know the Augusta Golf Club limit the number of live hours broadcasters can show.

DavidL said:

Yokes said:

Actions in Israel and Jordan suggest they think the Iranians are going to launch the much talked about attack tonight.

Biden has apparently raced back to the Whitehouse tonight.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Like people bringing dinosaurs back to life, prospective vegans should spend a little less time thinking about whether they could, and a little more pondering whether they should.

"I happen to be a vegetarian!" - Lex.

SandyRentool said:

Anabobazina said:

Can someone explain to me the RUBBISH Sky coverage of The Masters? Please?

Why are we hearing chat from Nick Faldo and Laura Davies on the patio, when there are guys out on the course?

Because golf is tedious and anything is better than being subjected to the actual play?

MattW said:

Casino_Royale said:

Malmesbury said:

Casino_Royale said:

JosiasJessop said:

Casino_Royale said:

LostPassword said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Leon said:

This is quite something. Guy's first reaction to the Sydney killings is to feed it into his.... anti-bike-lane narrative

"The police and ambulance staging outside Westfield Bondi Junction would have been severely impacted by bike lanes which had been proposed for the area. The Eastern Suburbs is a heavily congested area which impacts ambo arrival and transport. This will be a first responder case study for years."

https://x.com/VoteLewko/status/1779048501395263845

Hypothetical bike lanes are evil and the lady policeman lost her hat.

What gets me about the whole Ukraine situation is that there's no provision for vegans

Like, OK, 300,000 are dead and Russia has laid waste to most of east Ukraine and it will possibly turn into World War Three but surely there could be at least one pop-up falafel stall? Is that so hard? Or a tofu buffet in a tent?

Outside of London, Brighton and its colonies Veganism is non-existent in most parts of Europe.

In fact, it would be considered deeply weird.

Vegan food can be found in every supermarket in Britain and Ireland, possibly Europe.

It's possible that this is because a few Vegan activists have captured the decision-making of Europe's supermarkets, and at some point they will stop throwing money (and unsold vegan food) away, but I think it shows that there is a niche there, and there are actually a few vegans, sprinkled around the place.

Are you sure your neighbour isn't a vegan?

The fact that almost all supermarkets might have a (tiny) section of plant-based crap around the nation doesn't disprove the point.

Veganism is a tiny percentage (2-3% of the population, at best) and that cultural and social phenomenon is heavily concentrated in London and Brighton and a few other Met colonies, which manage to spin off and sustain a few restaurants and so forth.

Elsewhere it's negligible but of course supermarkets cater to all tastes, just as they sell all sorts of niche ingredients and foods to others who exist in even fewer numbers.

"plant-based crap"
How do you know it's 'crap' if you don't eat it?

"Elsewhere it's negligible"
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ha ha ha ha-ha-ha-ha ha ha ha

I'm in Bulgaria right now, you dipstick. Doesn't exist.

Even by virtue of that wanker map you linked to.

Are they still doing the 0.5/1kg options for how much meat, even in the posher Sofia places?

Dunno, but my father-in-law has a got a whole lamb (and a mean a whole one - even the head) in the garage ready for a spit-roast tomorrow.

In the UK it'd probably cost, like, £300 but it's not much here.

That's Eid, though. And for Muslims it is a huge tradition.

I'd suggest that for the UK £200 is closer, but perhaps more like £170 at Halal outlets. Both quick Google search results.

If you go to organic retail, it may well not be the lamb that is the spit roast.

The Blackface Meat Company believes passionately in the link between a healthy landscape and the highest quality meat. The two are so closely bound that the flavour of our products is of the land itself, the heather and the berries, the wild grasses and fresh waters of the burns found in the most beautiful, unspoilt regions of Britain.

We are a small family business based in the South West of Scotland. We supply a wide range of high quality, oven-ready game from selected estates and we also source finest quality Outdoor Reared Pork, Blackface Lamb and Mutton, Salt Marsh Lamb and Mutton, Native Scotch Beef, and Free Range Bronze Turkeys.. This is the heritage lamb, mutton, game and beef enjoyed by our ancestors, now available all over the UK via our efficient home delivery service. We also source wild boar and goat, although may not always have stock.

RochdalePioneers said:

Vegan food? I spent the best part of a decade selling plant based food. Huge improvements in choice and quality in that time. Reality is that most people eating vegan food are not vegan.

Meat reduction is fine. If that's what people want to do, let them. I whore myself for a global meat company these days, so sod vegan...

Yokes said:

Actions in Israel and Jordan suggest they think the Iranians are going to launch the much talked about attack tonight.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Anabobazina said:

Can someone explain to me the RUBBISH Sky coverage of The Masters? Please?

Why are we hearing chat from Nick Faldo and Laura Davies on the patio, when there are guys out on the course?

This isn't new, I am not much of a golf aficionado but even I know the Augusta Golf Club limit the number of live hours broadcasters can show.

Yokes said:

There appears to be a considerable Israeli EW effort underway and there are a notable number of US aircraft up over Iraq. That the they are in air is not unusual but the number is. The assumption is that they are there as a protective screen for their own assets.

Leon said:

Seeing as convo is quite random, a question

Does anyone have any exciting fish recipes? I accept this is not quite OMG IRAN HAS ATTACKED ISRAEL

But there's a lot of culinarily clever people here on PB. I love fish and I like fish recipes that take about 30-40 minutes, to prep and cook. Enough to be a tiny mental challenge and to use my hands satisfyingly, but not Michelin standards of complexity and boiling-fish-heads-for-stock

My ideal is this fish risotto which I found on BBC GoodFood, which - if suitably adapted with garlic, white wine, parmesan, dashi, and parsley, is fab, and takes about 30-35 mins

https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/smoked-haddock-leek-risotto

Ideas welcome. Gratitude

Indeed I'd take this for any healthy meat: venison, guineafowl etc

Fairliered said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Anabobazina said:

Can someone explain to me the RUBBISH Sky coverage of The Masters? Please?

Why are we hearing chat from Nick Faldo and Laura Davies on the patio, when there are guys out on the course?

This isn't new, I am not much of a golf aficionado but even I know the Augusta Golf Club limit the number of live hours broadcasters can show.

Golf. Sport for BMW drivers.