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Theuniondivvie said:

Andy_JS said:

"Matt Goodwin
@GoodwinMJ

In case you've not noticed the entire point of Brexit --to build a different economy-- is being dumped. Both Left & Right are now fully committed to mass cheap migration to keep big business happy, wages low, downward pressure on lower paid British workers, weaken their bargaining power & distort the market

We need a different politics"

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1684859053875269632

We certainly need those who bleat from the sidelines about a different politics and what voters really want to get off their arses and see if they can persuade people to vote for them.

Not familiar with the gent myself. What is his politics?

Stdruck by this random tweetr amongst thosed which X-twatter vouchsafed me

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1528087775861514240

Sure, one could aspire to that - but it'd be like wanting to fly in a Bristol Brabazon with the original first class fitout, I couldn't afford it!

Prediction - ULEZ is now going to get brought up as a campaign issue in the GE, repeatedly, despite the bewilderment of the rest of the nation who aren’t affected by it. Particularly if it helps save the Tories from a shellacking in the mayoral.

viewcode said:

ThomasNashe said:

Andy_JS said:

"Matt Goodwin
@GoodwinMJ

In case you've not noticed the entire point of Brexit --to build a different economy-- is being dumped. Both Left & Right are now fully committed to mass cheap migration to keep big business happy, wages low, downward pressure on lower paid British workers, weaken their bargaining power & distort the market

We need a different politics"

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1684859053875269632

‘Different economy’! In other words both left and right decided that lower GDP was not what they’d be pursuing.

Based on US work in Afghanistan there is a case for saying GDP is the wrong index (it should be household income)

See also Ireland.

NerysHughes said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

NerysHughes said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Ghedebrav said:

England fortunate to still be leading over the Danes.

Well, England won without looking like a World Cup winning side, and many players were completely knackered towards the end.

The standard of football at this tournament has been very poor especially compared to the Euro finals

My go-to explanation is heat and humidity. Tournaments like to follow the sun, and in general our players are not conditioned for it. Whether that is actually true in this case, I'm not sure but it does explain, for instance, why for decades European teams tended to win the (men's) World Cup in Europe, and South American teams in South America.

The euros were a brilliant advert for Womens football, this tournament certainly isn't. Its been like watching kids football.

Disagree completely, the standard has been really good, clear progress in physicality, technique and tactics each tournament.

numbertwelve said:

Prediction - ULEZ is now going to get brought up as a campaign issue in the GE, repeatedly, despite the bewilderment of the rest of the nation who aren’t affected by it. Particularly if it helps save the Tories from a shellacking in the mayoral.

Labour have already started their preparations on that front.

ULEZ "is coming to towns and cities across the whole of the UK." - Angela Rayner

https://youtube.com/watch?v=fr3pRBjvIuo (1m50s)

Chris said:

Carnyx said:

Andy_JS said:

"'Good news for London' says Khan, as £12.50 Ulez expansion approved"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-66328175

And just up -

.Khan says taxpayers' money 'wasted' in court case

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has just been speaking to the BBC.

He told us: "I welcome the judgement today. I've been told more than £1m of council taxpayers' money has been wasted on this case".

He adds: "I'm quite clear though, I made this decision to expand Ulez because it is really important we address the public health crisis."

Asked about increased costs to Londoners, Khan says nine out of 10 cars in London are already compliant with Ulez and the scrappage scheme would offer support.'

Good luck to the Tories if the best they can come up with is a "let climate change rip" stance, for short-term political advantage.

Stopping ULEZ in outer London is a separate matter from the government's overall net zero
target.

Today Khan has won his legal battle that he has the power as Mayor to extend ULEZ London wide. However the Tories have won a political battle as Susan Hall and Tory London Assembly candidates and parliamentary candidates in London suburban and M25 belt seats can say only a Tory vote can reverse ULEZ

Sandpit said:

numbertwelve said:

Prediction - ULEZ is now going to get brought up as a campaign issue in the GE, repeatedly, despite the bewilderment of the rest of the nation who aren’t affected by it. Particularly if it helps save the Tories from a shellacking in the mayoral.

Labour have already started their preparations on that front.

ULEZ "is coming to towns and cities across the whole of the UK." - Angela Rayner

https://youtube.com/watch?v=fr3pRBjvIuo (1m50s)

If anyone takes the trouble to follow the link (God knows why I did, knowing what liars PB Tories are), they will see that she is actually talking about action she thinks the Tory government should take, not ULEZ.

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

Carnyx said:

Andy_JS said:

"'Good news for London' says Khan, as £12.50 Ulez expansion approved"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-66328175

And just up -

.Khan says taxpayers' money 'wasted' in court case

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has just been speaking to the BBC.

He told us: "I welcome the judgement today. I've been told more than £1m of council taxpayers' money has been wasted on this case".

He adds: "I'm quite clear though, I made this decision to expand Ulez because it is really important we address the public health crisis."

Asked about increased costs to Londoners, Khan says nine out of 10 cars in London are already compliant with Ulez and the scrappage scheme would offer support.'

Good luck to the Tories if the best they can come up with is a "let climate change rip" stance, for short-term political advantage.

Stopping ULEZ in outer London is a separate matter from the government's overall net zero
target.

Today Khan has won his legal battle that he has the power as Mayor to extend ULEZ London wide. However the Tories have won a political battle as Susan Hall and Tory London Assembly candidates and parliamentary candidates in London suburban and M25 belt seats can say only a Tory vote can reverse ULEZ

If you want to spin opposition to a limit on specific carbon emissions as a "separate matter" from an overall target emissions, then as I said, good luck with that.

If Tories think they can get ahead by lying, they should at least try to tell clever lies, not lies that a small child could see through.

China have problems versus Haiti in the women's world cup. They're down to 10 players. No goals so far.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/66167888

Sandpit said:

A proper batsmen’s innings from Labuchagne there. Nine runs from 82 balls!

It's nice to have some real test cricket for a change, instead of playing as if it's a 20/20 match.

Malmesbury said:

Jonathan said:

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

Carnyx said:

Andy_JS said:

"'Good news for London' says Khan, as £12.50 Ulez expansion approved"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-66328175

And just up -

.Khan says taxpayers' money 'wasted' in court case

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has just been speaking to the BBC.

He told us: "I welcome the judgement today. I've been told more than £1m of council taxpayers' money has been wasted on this case".

He adds: "I'm quite clear though, I made this decision to expand Ulez because it is really important we address the public health crisis."

Asked about increased costs to Londoners, Khan says nine out of 10 cars in London are already compliant with Ulez and the scrappage scheme would offer support.'

Good luck to the Tories if the best they can come up with is a "let climate change rip" stance, for short-term political advantage.

Stopping ULEZ in outer London is a separate matter from the government's overall net zero
target.

Today Khan has won his legal battle that he has the power as Mayor to extend ULEZ London wide. However the Tories have won a political battle as Susan Hall and Tory London Assembly candidates and parliamentary candidates in London suburban and M25 belt seats can say only a Tory vote can reverse ULEZ

When are the right going to stop playing silly buggers with the environment?

Equally one could ask about why car taxation in London is so regressive - the rich pay nothing.

Why do the rich pay nothing?

Chris said:

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

Carnyx said:

Andy_JS said:

"'Good news for London' says Khan, as £12.50 Ulez expansion approved"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-66328175

And just up -

.Khan says taxpayers' money 'wasted' in court case

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has just been speaking to the BBC.

He told us: "I welcome the judgement today. I've been told more than £1m of council taxpayers' money has been wasted on this case".

He adds: "I'm quite clear though, I made this decision to expand Ulez because it is really important we address the public health crisis."

Asked about increased costs to Londoners, Khan says nine out of 10 cars in London are already compliant with Ulez and the scrappage scheme would offer support.'

Good luck to the Tories if the best they can come up with is a "let climate change rip" stance, for short-term political advantage.

Stopping ULEZ in outer London is a separate matter from the government's overall net zero
target.

Today Khan has won his legal battle that he has the power as Mayor to extend ULEZ London wide. However the Tories have won a political battle as Susan Hall and Tory London Assembly candidates and parliamentary candidates in London suburban and M25 belt seats can say only a Tory vote can reverse ULEZ

If you want to spin opposition to a limit on specific carbon emissions as a "separate matter" from an overall target emissions, then as I said, good luck with that.

If Tories think they can get ahead by lying, they should at least try to tell clever lies, not lies that a small child could see through.

ULEZ is a fart in a thunderstorm on CO2

Its purpose is to deal with particulates and NO2 emissions.

CO2 will be most impacted by moving to ZEVs (see 2030)

ydoethur said:

Chris said:

Malmesbury said:

Jonathan said:

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

Carnyx said:

Andy_JS said:

"'Good news for London' says Khan, as £12.50 Ulez expansion approved"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-66328175

And just up -

.Khan says taxpayers' money 'wasted' in court case

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has just been speaking to the BBC.

He told us: "I welcome the judgement today. I've been told more than £1m of council taxpayers' money has been wasted on this case".

He adds: "I'm quite clear though, I made this decision to expand Ulez because it is really important we address the public health crisis."

Asked about increased costs to Londoners, Khan says nine out of 10 cars in London are already compliant with Ulez and the scrappage scheme would offer support.'

Good luck to the Tories if the best they can come up with is a "let climate change rip" stance, for short-term political advantage.

Stopping ULEZ in outer London is a separate matter from the government's overall net zero
target.

Today Khan has won his legal battle that he has the power as Mayor to extend ULEZ London wide. However the Tories have won a political battle as Susan Hall and Tory London Assembly candidates and parliamentary candidates in London suburban and M25 belt seats can say only a Tory vote can reverse ULEZ

When are the right going to stop playing silly buggers with the environment?

Equally one could ask about why car taxation in London is so regressive - the rich pay nothing.

Why do the rich pay nothing?

Electric vehicles?

Do you mean that the rich travel only by electric vehicles?

Chris said:

ydoethur said:

Chris said:

Malmesbury said:

Jonathan said:

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

Carnyx said:

Andy_JS said:

"'Good news for London' says Khan, as £12.50 Ulez expansion approved"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-66328175

And just up -

.Khan says taxpayers' money 'wasted' in court case

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has just been speaking to the BBC.

He told us: "I welcome the judgement today. I've been told more than £1m of council taxpayers' money has been wasted on this case".

He adds: "I'm quite clear though, I made this decision to expand Ulez because it is really important we address the public health crisis."

Asked about increased costs to Londoners, Khan says nine out of 10 cars in London are already compliant with Ulez and the scrappage scheme would offer support.'

Good luck to the Tories if the best they can come up with is a "let climate change rip" stance, for short-term political advantage.

Stopping ULEZ in outer London is a separate matter from the government's overall net zero
target.

Today Khan has won his legal battle that he has the power as Mayor to extend ULEZ London wide. However the Tories have won a political battle as Susan Hall and Tory London Assembly candidates and parliamentary candidates in London suburban and M25 belt seats can say only a Tory vote can reverse ULEZ

When are the right going to stop playing silly buggers with the environment?

Equally one could ask about why car taxation in London is so regressive - the rich pay nothing.

Why do the rich pay nothing?

Electric vehicles?

Do you mean that the rich travel only by electric vehicles?

I was suggesting one way the poster might be thinking the rich could avoid it. They have the money to buy them. Whether they do, I don't know. Hence the question mark.

Jonathan said:

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

Carnyx said:

Andy_JS said:

"'Good news for London' says Khan, as £12.50 Ulez expansion approved"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-66328175

And just up -

.Khan says taxpayers' money 'wasted' in court case

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has just been speaking to the BBC.

He told us: "I welcome the judgement today. I've been told more than £1m of council taxpayers' money has been wasted on this case".

He adds: "I'm quite clear though, I made this decision to expand Ulez because it is really important we address the public health crisis."

Asked about increased costs to Londoners, Khan says nine out of 10 cars in London are already compliant with Ulez and the scrappage scheme would offer support.'

Good luck to the Tories if the best they can come up with is a "let climate change rip" stance, for short-term political advantage.

Stopping ULEZ in outer London is a separate matter from the government's overall net zero
target.

Today Khan has won his legal battle that he has the power as Mayor to extend ULEZ London wide. However the Tories have won a political battle as Susan Hall and Tory London Assembly candidates and parliamentary candidates in London suburban and M25 belt seats can say only a Tory vote can reverse ULEZ

When are the right going to stop playing silly buggers with the environment?

Never. People who don't give a shit about the environment are their core voters.

Andy_JS said:

Sandpit said:

A proper batsmen’s innings from Labuchagne there. Nine runs from 82 balls!

It's nice to have some real test cricket for a change, instead of playing as if it's a 20/20 match.

There's no rule to say how you have to play test cricket.
England want a result; Australia don't. Each side is playing accordingly.

Both approaches are entirely "real".

rottenborough said:

"Biden has dispatched Sullivan and McGurk to Saudi Arabia, where they arrived Thursday morning, to explore the possibility of some kind of U.S.-Saudi-Israeli-Palestinian understanding."

Biden Is Weighing a Big Middle East Deal
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/27/opinion/israel-saudi-arabia-biden.html

Well, you have to admire his optimism.

ydoethur said:

Chris said:

ydoethur said:

Chris said:

Malmesbury said:

Jonathan said:

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

Carnyx said:

Andy_JS said:

"'Good news for London' says Khan, as £12.50 Ulez expansion approved"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-66328175

And just up -

.Khan says taxpayers' money 'wasted' in court case

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has just been speaking to the BBC.

He told us: "I welcome the judgement today. I've been told more than £1m of council taxpayers' money has been wasted on this case".

He adds: "I'm quite clear though, I made this decision to expand Ulez because it is really important we address the public health crisis."

Asked about increased costs to Londoners, Khan says nine out of 10 cars in London are already compliant with Ulez and the scrappage scheme would offer support.'

Good luck to the Tories if the best they can come up with is a "let climate change rip" stance, for short-term political advantage.

Stopping ULEZ in outer London is a separate matter from the government's overall net zero
target.

Today Khan has won his legal battle that he has the power as Mayor to extend ULEZ London wide. However the Tories have won a political battle as Susan Hall and Tory London Assembly candidates and parliamentary candidates in London suburban and M25 belt seats can say only a Tory vote can reverse ULEZ

When are the right going to stop playing silly buggers with the environment?

Equally one could ask about why car taxation in London is so regressive - the rich pay nothing.

Why do the rich pay nothing?

Electric vehicles?

Do you mean that the rich travel only by electric vehicles?

I was suggesting one way the poster might be thinking the rich could avoid it. They have the money to buy them. Whether they do, I don't know. Hence the question mark.

Maybe it would be easier to let Malmesbury answer, rather than guessing what s/he might have meant?

Malmesbury said:

Chris said:

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

Carnyx said:

Andy_JS said:

"'Good news for London' says Khan, as £12.50 Ulez expansion approved"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-66328175

And just up -

.Khan says taxpayers' money 'wasted' in court case

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has just been speaking to the BBC.

He told us: "I welcome the judgement today. I've been told more than £1m of council taxpayers' money has been wasted on this case".

He adds: "I'm quite clear though, I made this decision to expand Ulez because it is really important we address the public health crisis."

Asked about increased costs to Londoners, Khan says nine out of 10 cars in London are already compliant with Ulez and the scrappage scheme would offer support.'

Good luck to the Tories if the best they can come up with is a "let climate change rip" stance, for short-term political advantage.

Stopping ULEZ in outer London is a separate matter from the government's overall net zero
target.

Today Khan has won his legal battle that he has the power as Mayor to extend ULEZ London wide. However the Tories have won a political battle as Susan Hall and Tory London Assembly candidates and parliamentary candidates in London suburban and M25 belt seats can say only a Tory vote can reverse ULEZ

If you want to spin opposition to a limit on specific carbon emissions as a "separate matter" from an overall target emissions, then as I said, good luck with that.

If Tories think they can get ahead by lying, they should at least try to tell clever lies, not lies that a small child could see through.

ULEZ is a fart in a thunderstorm on CO2

Its purpose is to deal with particulates and NO2 emissions.

CO2 will be most impacted by moving to ZEVs (see 2030)

If Khan were smart, which he isn't, he'd put someone like you in charge of developing policy.
The current debate is utterly sterile on both sides. The Tories are just a bit less concerned about deaths from lung disease.

Malmesbury said:

ydoethur said:

Chris said:

Malmesbury said:

Jonathan said:

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

Carnyx said:

Andy_JS said:

"'Good news for London' says Khan, as £12.50 Ulez expansion approved"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-66328175

And just up -

.Khan says taxpayers' money 'wasted' in court case

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has just been speaking to the BBC.

He told us: "I welcome the judgement today. I've been told more than £1m of council taxpayers' money has been wasted on this case".

He adds: "I'm quite clear though, I made this decision to expand Ulez because it is really important we address the public health crisis."

Asked about increased costs to Londoners, Khan says nine out of 10 cars in London are already compliant with Ulez and the scrappage scheme would offer support.'

Good luck to the Tories if the best they can come up with is a "let climate change rip" stance, for short-term political advantage.

Stopping ULEZ in outer London is a separate matter from the government's overall net zero
target.

Today Khan has won his legal battle that he has the power as Mayor to extend ULEZ London wide. However the Tories have won a political battle as Susan Hall and Tory London Assembly candidates and parliamentary candidates in London suburban and M25 belt seats can say only a Tory vote can reverse ULEZ

When are the right going to stop playing silly buggers with the environment?

Equally one could ask about why car taxation in London is so regressive - the rich pay nothing.

Why do the rich pay nothing?

Electric vehicles?

If you have an EV

1) No road tax
2) No congestion charge
3) No ULEZ* - obviously
4) Free parking in a number of places
5) free parking at a bay allocated for charging

So if you are in a £90k top end EV, you can cruise into central London, park up at a charging spot. Plug in. Just forget to actually start the charging. At the end of the day, roll off, having paid nothing.

For the owner of a small hatch back, that little performance would be long past £50.

* in California, there was a hilarious legal hitch, for a while. You had to have a tail pipe to allow car emissions to be tested (the police could pull you over for this). So technically EVs weren’t compliant with emissions law.

I was looking at getting an electric vehicle - not really for that, just because it would be cheaper to run - but I can't make the numbers work at the moment on either a full upfront purchase or leasing.

Equally, I don't live in London.

Hate to say it but I thought that Hall gave a better interview on the WAO than SKS with his "reflect" and Khan with his "difficult".

Nigelb said:

Malmesbury said:

Chris said:

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

Carnyx said:

Andy_JS said:

"'Good news for London' says Khan, as £12.50 Ulez expansion approved"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-66328175

And just up -

.Khan says taxpayers' money 'wasted' in court case

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has just been speaking to the BBC.

He told us: "I welcome the judgement today. I've been told more than £1m of council taxpayers' money has been wasted on this case".

He adds: "I'm quite clear though, I made this decision to expand Ulez because it is really important we address the public health crisis."

Asked about increased costs to Londoners, Khan says nine out of 10 cars in London are already compliant with Ulez and the scrappage scheme would offer support.'

Good luck to the Tories if the best they can come up with is a "let climate change rip" stance, for short-term political advantage.

Stopping ULEZ in outer London is a separate matter from the government's overall net zero
target.

Today Khan has won his legal battle that he has the power as Mayor to extend ULEZ London wide. However the Tories have won a political battle as Susan Hall and Tory London Assembly candidates and parliamentary candidates in London suburban and M25 belt seats can say only a Tory vote can reverse ULEZ

If you want to spin opposition to a limit on specific carbon emissions as a "separate matter" from an overall target emissions, then as I said, good luck with that.

If Tories think they can get ahead by lying, they should at least try to tell clever lies, not lies that a small child could see through.

ULEZ is a fart in a thunderstorm on CO2

Its purpose is to deal with particulates and NO2 emissions.

CO2 will be most impacted by moving to ZEVs (see 2030)

If Khan were smart, which he isn't, he'd put someone like you in charge of developing policy.
The current debate is utterly sterile on both sides. The Tories are just a bit less concerned about deaths from lung disease.

Harsh considering it was Labour who encouraged everyone to buy diesels.

rottenborough said:

"Biden has dispatched Sullivan and McGurk to Saudi Arabia, where they arrived Thursday morning, to explore the possibility of some kind of U.S.-Saudi-Israeli-Palestinian understanding."

Biden Is Weighing a Big Middle East Deal
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/27/opinion/israel-saudi-arabia-biden.html

The Saudi ask is absurd, though. They want more privileges than a NATO member, without the commitments.

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

Carnyx said:

Andy_JS said:

"'Good news for London' says Khan, as £12.50 Ulez expansion approved"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-66328175

And just up -

.Khan says taxpayers' money 'wasted' in court case

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has just been speaking to the BBC.

He told us: "I welcome the judgement today. I've been told more than £1m of council taxpayers' money has been wasted on this case".

He adds: "I'm quite clear though, I made this decision to expand Ulez because it is really important we address the public health crisis."

Asked about increased costs to Londoners, Khan says nine out of 10 cars in London are already compliant with Ulez and the scrappage scheme would offer support.'

Good luck to the Tories if the best they can come up with is a "let climate change rip" stance, for short-term political advantage.

Stopping ULEZ in outer London is a separate matter from the government's overall net zero
target.

Today Khan has won his legal battle that he has the power as Mayor to extend ULEZ London wide. However the Tories have won a political battle as Susan Hall and Tory London Assembly candidates and parliamentary candidates in London suburban and M25 belt seats can say only a Tory vote can reverse ULEZ

If you want to spin opposition to a limit on specific carbon emissions as a "separate matter" from an overall target emissions, then as I said, good luck with that.

If Tories think they can get ahead by lying, they should at least try to tell clever lies, not lies that a small child could see through.

You can still overall continue a transition to renewables and nuclear energy longer term, which the UK is already doing better than most of the G20 on and longer term shift to hybrid and electric vehicles without imposing a deeply unpopular ULEZ and charges on petrol cars in outer London. Which will hit working class and lower middle class swing voters most as the Uxbridge by election result proved

Is that the same Uxbridge by-election that the Tories hung on to by less than 500 votes, despite it being a safeish Tory seat which recently housed a former Tory Prime Minister?
Hardly a Tory rout, I think.

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

Carnyx said:

Andy_JS said:

"'Good news for London' says Khan, as £12.50 Ulez expansion approved"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-66328175

And just up -

.Khan says taxpayers' money 'wasted' in court case

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has just been speaking to the BBC.

He told us: "I welcome the judgement today. I've been told more than £1m of council taxpayers' money has been wasted on this case".

He adds: "I'm quite clear though, I made this decision to expand Ulez because it is really important we address the public health crisis."

Asked about increased costs to Londoners, Khan says nine out of 10 cars in London are already compliant with Ulez and the scrappage scheme would offer support.'

Good luck to the Tories if the best they can come up with is a "let climate change rip" stance, for short-term political advantage.

Stopping ULEZ in outer London is a separate matter from the government's overall net zero
target.

Today Khan has won his legal battle that he has the power as Mayor to extend ULEZ London wide. However the Tories have won a political battle as Susan Hall and Tory London Assembly candidates and parliamentary candidates in London suburban and M25 belt seats can say only a Tory vote can reverse ULEZ

If you want to spin opposition to a limit on specific carbon emissions as a "separate matter" from an overall target emissions, then as I said, good luck with that.

If Tories think they can get ahead by lying, they should at least try to tell clever lies, not lies that a small child could see through.

You can still overall continue a transition to renewables and nuclear energy longer term, which the UK is already doing better than most of the G20 on and longer term shift to hybrid and electric vehicles without imposing a deeply unpopular ULEZ and charges on petrol cars in outer London. Which will hit working class and lower middle class swing voters most as the Uxbridge by election result proved

Almost all petrol cars are ULEZ compliant. Most of the vehicles that aren't are diesels.
When the ULEZ was first extended, to the N/S Circular, my next door neighbour and I both had non compliant diesel cars. He's a window cleaner, I'm a well paid professional. We both moaned a bit but had no problem finding a replacement second hand car that we could afford. It's now a total non issue for both of us and I'm happy my kids are now breathing cleaner air, especially my eldest who has had some bad asthma attacks.

Luckyguy1983 said:

ydoethur said:

rottenborough said:

"Biden has dispatched Sullivan and McGurk to Saudi Arabia, where they arrived Thursday morning, to explore the possibility of some kind of U.S.-Saudi-Israeli-Palestinian understanding."

Biden Is Weighing a Big Middle East Deal
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/27/opinion/israel-saudi-arabia-biden.html

Well, you have to admire his optimism.

Israel and the Saudis have a common enemy in the Shiite Muslim countries (Syria, Iran) and have been working together on the quiet for some time. This smacks of Biden trying to get his name on it so that the USA remains relevant in the region - wasn't the last big Middle East breakthrough brokered by China? Can't have that.

The last really big ME breakthrough was the Abraham Accords, brokered by Trump in 2020, between UAE, Bahrain, and Israel.

The Chinese-brokered deal was last year, between Iran and Saudi.

"Gen Abdourahmane Tchiani has declared himself the new leader of Niger after a dramatic coup.

Also known as Omar Tchiani, he staged a takeover which started on Wednesday when the presidential guards unit he led seized the country's leader. This shatters Niger's first peaceful and democratic transition since independence in 1960. President Mohamed Bazoum is thought to be in good health, and still held captive by his own guards."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-66337767

FeersumEnjineeya said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Chris said:

ydoethur said:

Chris said:

Malmesbury said:

Jonathan said:

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

Carnyx said:

Andy_JS said:

"'Good news for London' says Khan, as £12.50 Ulez expansion approved"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-66328175

And just up -

.Khan says taxpayers' money 'wasted' in court case

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has just been speaking to the BBC.

He told us: "I welcome the judgement today. I've been told more than £1m of council taxpayers' money has been wasted on this case".

He adds: "I'm quite clear though, I made this decision to expand Ulez because it is really important we address the public health crisis."

Asked about increased costs to Londoners, Khan says nine out of 10 cars in London are already compliant with Ulez and the scrappage scheme would offer support.'

Good luck to the Tories if the best they can come up with is a "let climate change rip" stance, for short-term political advantage.

Stopping ULEZ in outer London is a separate matter from the government's overall net zero
target.

Today Khan has won his legal battle that he has the power as Mayor to extend ULEZ London wide. However the Tories have won a political battle as Susan Hall and Tory London Assembly candidates and parliamentary candidates in London suburban and M25 belt seats can say only a Tory vote can reverse ULEZ

When are the right going to stop playing silly buggers with the environment?

Equally one could ask about why car taxation in London is so regressive - the rich pay nothing.

Why do the rich pay nothing?

Electric vehicles?

Do you mean that the rich travel only by electric vehicles?

It's one of those fact free memes beloved of the right. I know a lot of rich people and very few of them have an EV. I know a lot of not especially rich people and some of them have an EV.

I'm not especially rich. The mortgage is paid off, but I currently live on not much more than minimum wage (out of choice). I saved for a long time to buy the first new car I've ever bought - a Nissan Leaf Acenta for £21600 last year. EV drivers are not all millionaires in £90k Teslas.

Same but opposite with me. I am quite rich but when it came to replacing my old merc last year (because of ulez) I bought another petrol car.

Luckyguy1983 said:

ydoethur said:

rottenborough said:

"Biden has dispatched Sullivan and McGurk to Saudi Arabia, where they arrived Thursday morning, to explore the possibility of some kind of U.S.-Saudi-Israeli-Palestinian understanding."

Biden Is Weighing a Big Middle East Deal
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/27/opinion/israel-saudi-arabia-biden.html

Well, you have to admire his optimism.

Israel and the Saudis have a common enemy in the Shiite Muslim countries (Syria, Iran) and have been working together on the quiet for some time. This smacks of Biden trying to get his name on it so that the USA remains relevant in the region - wasn't the last big Middle East breakthrough brokered by China? Can't have that.

Syria is approximately 75% Sunni though the loathsome Assad is Alawite (Twelver).

OnlyLivingBoy said:

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

Carnyx said:

Andy_JS said:

"'Good news for London' says Khan, as £12.50 Ulez expansion approved"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-66328175

And just up -

.Khan says taxpayers' money 'wasted' in court case

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has just been speaking to the BBC.

He told us: "I welcome the judgement today. I've been told more than £1m of council taxpayers' money has been wasted on this case".

He adds: "I'm quite clear though, I made this decision to expand Ulez because it is really important we address the public health crisis."

Asked about increased costs to Londoners, Khan says nine out of 10 cars in London are already compliant with Ulez and the scrappage scheme would offer support.'

Good luck to the Tories if the best they can come up with is a "let climate change rip" stance, for short-term political advantage.

Stopping ULEZ in outer London is a separate matter from the government's overall net zero
target.

Today Khan has won his legal battle that he has the power as Mayor to extend ULEZ London wide. However the Tories have won a political battle as Susan Hall and Tory London Assembly candidates and parliamentary candidates in London suburban and M25 belt seats can say only a Tory vote can reverse ULEZ

If you want to spin opposition to a limit on specific carbon emissions as a "separate matter" from an overall target emissions, then as I said, good luck with that.

If Tories think they can get ahead by lying, they should at least try to tell clever lies, not lies that a small child could see through.

You can still overall continue a transition to renewables and nuclear energy longer term, which the UK is already doing better than most of the G20 on and longer term shift to hybrid and electric vehicles without imposing a deeply unpopular ULEZ and charges on petrol cars in outer London. Which will hit working class and lower middle class swing voters most as the Uxbridge by election result proved

Almost all petrol cars are ULEZ compliant. Most of the vehicles that aren't are diesels.
When the ULEZ was first extended, to the N/S Circular, my next door neighbour and I both had non compliant diesel cars. He's a window cleaner, I'm a well paid professional. We both moaned a bit but had no problem finding a replacement second hand car that we could afford. It's now a total non issue for both of us and I'm happy my kids are now breathing cleaner air, especially my eldest who has had some bad asthma attacks.

Interesting that you find the change in air so very definite. To hear some folk you'd think it was all thin air (so to speak).

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Chris said:

ydoethur said:

Chris said:

Malmesbury said:

Jonathan said:

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

Carnyx said:

Andy_JS said:

"'Good news for London' says Khan, as £12.50 Ulez expansion approved"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-66328175

And just up -

.Khan says taxpayers' money 'wasted' in court case

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has just been speaking to the BBC.

He told us: "I welcome the judgement today. I've been told more than £1m of council taxpayers' money has been wasted on this case".

He adds: "I'm quite clear though, I made this decision to expand Ulez because it is really important we address the public health crisis."

Asked about increased costs to Londoners, Khan says nine out of 10 cars in London are already compliant with Ulez and the scrappage scheme would offer support.'

Good luck to the Tories if the best they can come up with is a "let climate change rip" stance, for short-term political advantage.

Stopping ULEZ in outer London is a separate matter from the government's overall net zero
target.

Today Khan has won his legal battle that he has the power as Mayor to extend ULEZ London wide. However the Tories have won a political battle as Susan Hall and Tory London Assembly candidates and parliamentary candidates in London suburban and M25 belt seats can say only a Tory vote can reverse ULEZ

When are the right going to stop playing silly buggers with the environment?

Equally one could ask about why car taxation in London is so regressive - the rich pay nothing.

Why do the rich pay nothing?

Electric vehicles?

Do you mean that the rich travel only by electric vehicles?

It's one of those fact free memes beloved of the right. I know a lot of rich people and very few of them have an EV. I know a lot of not especially rich people and some of them have an EV.

Because of the constricted second hand market, cheap EVs tend to be rather performance constrained.

When the Tesla Model S launched

Most of the rich people I know have adopted environmentalism as the fashion - houses insulated and triple glazed, bore hole heat pump systems, solar panels (of course), power storage, rain water storage…

Running your EV off solar power is the dream - a farmer* I know, who is switch in to solar farming + a small business park is very proud that between the storage and the panels, he can offer 100% home grown leccy** to small business using his premises.

*family is very well off, it’s not exactly hobby farming, but he doesn’t exactly worry about being profitable in the first few years.
**most of the time

FeersumEnjineeya said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Chris said:

ydoethur said:

Chris said:

Malmesbury said:

Jonathan said:

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

Carnyx said:

Andy_JS said:

"'Good news for London' says Khan, as £12.50 Ulez expansion approved"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-66328175

And just up -

.Khan says taxpayers' money 'wasted' in court case

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has just been speaking to the BBC.

He told us: "I welcome the judgement today. I've been told more than £1m of council taxpayers' money has been wasted on this case".

He adds: "I'm quite clear though, I made this decision to expand Ulez because it is really important we address the public health crisis."

Asked about increased costs to Londoners, Khan says nine out of 10 cars in London are already compliant with Ulez and the scrappage scheme would offer support.'

Good luck to the Tories if the best they can come up with is a "let climate change rip" stance, for short-term political advantage.

Stopping ULEZ in outer London is a separate matter from the government's overall net zero
target.

Today Khan has won his legal battle that he has the power as Mayor to extend ULEZ London wide. However the Tories have won a political battle as Susan Hall and Tory London Assembly candidates and parliamentary candidates in London suburban and M25 belt seats can say only a Tory vote can reverse ULEZ

When are the right going to stop playing silly buggers with the environment?

Equally one could ask about why car taxation in London is so regressive - the rich pay nothing.

Why do the rich pay nothing?

Electric vehicles?

Do you mean that the rich travel only by electric vehicles?

It's one of those fact free memes beloved of the right. I know a lot of rich people and very few of them have an EV. I know a lot of not especially rich people and some of them have an EV.

I'm not especially rich. The mortgage is paid off, but I currently live on not much more than minimum wage (out of choice). I saved for a long time to buy the first new car I've ever bought - a Nissan Leaf Acenta for £21600 last year. EV drivers are not all millionaires in £90k Teslas.

20k is still more money than many have ever dreamed on spending on a car.

Incidentally, going car-less in London depends on living in the areas with good public transport, or having a robust cycling capability. My wife has friends and relatives who aren’t so well situated as we are - 5 minutes from a Zone 2 station, 5 minutes from a major supermarket outlet etc etc - and they comment on the paradox that you have to be well off to not have a car. Or do 3 bus changes while carrying the shopping for a family.

Theuniondivvie said:

Carnyx said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Andy_JS said:

"Matt Goodwin
@GoodwinMJ

In case you've not noticed the entire point of Brexit --to build a different economy-- is being dumped. Both Left & Right are now fully committed to mass cheap migration to keep big business happy, wages low, downward pressure on lower paid British workers, weaken their bargaining power & distort the market

We need a different politics"

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1684859053875269632

We certainly need those who bleat from the sidelines about a different politics and what voters really want to get off their arses and see if they can persuade people to vote for them.

Not familiar with the gent myself. What is his politics?

Stdruck by this random tweetr amongst thosed which X-twatter vouchsafed me

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1528087775861514240

Sure, one could aspire to that - but it'd be like wanting to fly in a Bristol Brabazon with the original first class fitout, I couldn't afford it!

He is/was an academic on politics but like a frog being boiled he has become a partisan without realising or admitting it.

My favourite Goodwin moment was him deleting Trump sympathetic tweets after the storming of Congress. Those politics were just too different I guess.

Thanks, it's hard to keep up with those Brexiter shockjocks on crayon and EtchaSketch screens. Though your latter point does count in the gent's favour.

150 Ashes wickets for Broad.

Carnyx said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

Carnyx said:

Andy_JS said:

"'Good news for London' says Khan, as £12.50 Ulez expansion approved"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-66328175

And just up -

.Khan says taxpayers' money 'wasted' in court case

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has just been speaking to the BBC.

He told us: "I welcome the judgement today. I've been told more than £1m of council taxpayers' money has been wasted on this case".

He adds: "I'm quite clear though, I made this decision to expand Ulez because it is really important we address the public health crisis."

Asked about increased costs to Londoners, Khan says nine out of 10 cars in London are already compliant with Ulez and the scrappage scheme would offer support.'

Good luck to the Tories if the best they can come up with is a "let climate change rip" stance, for short-term political advantage.

Stopping ULEZ in outer London is a separate matter from the government's overall net zero
target.

Today Khan has won his legal battle that he has the power as Mayor to extend ULEZ London wide. However the Tories have won a political battle as Susan Hall and Tory London Assembly candidates and parliamentary candidates in London suburban and M25 belt seats can say only a Tory vote can reverse ULEZ

If you want to spin opposition to a limit on specific carbon emissions as a "separate matter" from an overall target emissions, then as I said, good luck with that.

If Tories think they can get ahead by lying, they should at least try to tell clever lies, not lies that a small child could see through.

You can still overall continue a transition to renewables and nuclear energy longer term, which the UK is already doing better than most of the G20 on and longer term shift to hybrid and electric vehicles without imposing a deeply unpopular ULEZ and charges on petrol cars in outer London. Which will hit working class and lower middle class swing voters most as the Uxbridge by election result proved

Almost all petrol cars are ULEZ compliant. Most of the vehicles that aren't are diesels.
When the ULEZ was first extended, to the N/S Circular, my next door neighbour and I both had non compliant diesel cars. He's a window cleaner, I'm a well paid professional. We both moaned a bit but had no problem finding a replacement second hand car that we could afford. It's now a total non issue for both of us and I'm happy my kids are now breathing cleaner air, especially my eldest who has had some bad asthma attacks.

Interesting that you find the change in air so very definite. To hear some folk you'd think it was all thin air (so to speak).

It's hard to know, but I am presuming it's been effective based on the evidence I've seen. My daughter's not had an asthma attack since it's been introduced, at least!

Malmesbury said:

A

Nigelb said:

Malmesbury said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Chris said:

ydoethur said:

Chris said:

Malmesbury said:

Jonathan said:

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

Carnyx said:

Andy_JS said:

"'Good news for London' says Khan, as £12.50 Ulez expansion approved"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-66328175

And just up -

.Khan says taxpayers' money 'wasted' in court case

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has just been speaking to the BBC.

He told us: "I welcome the judgement today. I've been told more than £1m of council taxpayers' money has been wasted on this case".

He adds: "I'm quite clear though, I made this decision to expand Ulez because it is really important we address the public health crisis."

Asked about increased costs to Londoners, Khan says nine out of 10 cars in London are already compliant with Ulez and the scrappage scheme would offer support.'

Good luck to the Tories if the best they can come up with is a "let climate change rip" stance, for short-term political advantage.

Stopping ULEZ in outer London is a separate matter from the government's overall net zero
target.

Today Khan has won his legal battle that he has the power as Mayor to extend ULEZ London wide. However the Tories have won a political battle as Susan Hall and Tory London Assembly candidates and parliamentary candidates in London suburban and M25 belt seats can say only a Tory vote can reverse ULEZ

When are the right going to stop playing silly buggers with the environment?

Equally one could ask about why car taxation in London is so regressive - the rich pay nothing.

Why do the rich pay nothing?

Electric vehicles?

Do you mean that the rich travel only by electric vehicles?

It's one of those fact free memes beloved of the right. I know a lot of rich people and very few of them have an EV. I know a lot of not especially rich people and some of them have an EV.

Because of the constricted second hand market, cheap EVs tend to be rather performance constrained.

When the Tesla Model S launched, it killed big Mercedes sales in California. The whole business plan of the EV industry was to get adopted by the rich and move down.

Currently we are at middle class prices for new EVs.

Most of the rich people I know have adopted environmentalism as the fashion - houses insulated and triple glazed, bore hole heat pump systems, solar panels (of course), power storage, rain water storage… the EV SUV on the drive is part of the lifestyle.

Running your EV off solar power is the dream - a farmer* I know, who is switch in to solar farming + a small business park is very proud that between the storage and the panels, he can offer 100% home grown leccy** to small business using his premises.

A real shame that Toyota were so anti-EV. An all electric Prius Luke have been staggeringly popular, I reckon.

*family is very well off, it’s not exactly hobby farming, but he doesn’t exactly worry about being profitable in the first few years.
**most of the time

Strategic misstep by Toyota - but they're now investing billions.
They're one if the manufacturers likely to have one if the early solid state* battery offerings.

*None of the first ones will be entirely so, but the will be a significant advance.

Bit like the niobium anode stuff reported yesterday from the U.K., I am somewhat sceptical.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/07/ultra-fast-niobium-batteries-boast-6-min-charge-for-lotus-elise-based-ev/

Batteries for cars are generally considered to have about 5 properties you care about

1) Wh/kg
2) Cost
3) Density
4) Cycle life
5) Charging time

Past experience seems to show that you can get get performance on 3 of those while making the other 2 suck.

When looking at these announcements, see which ones they trumpet. And which ones don’t get mentioned.

The solid state stuff is claimed to improve all five metrics.

A

tlg86 said:

Nigelb said:

Malmesbury said:

Chris said:

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

Carnyx said:

Andy_JS said:

"'Good news for London' says Khan, as £12.50 Ulez expansion approved"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-66328175

And just up -

.Khan says taxpayers' money 'wasted' in court case

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has just been speaking to the BBC.

He told us: "I welcome the judgement today. I've been told more than £1m of council taxpayers' money has been wasted on this case".

He adds: "I'm quite clear though, I made this decision to expand Ulez because it is really important we address the public health crisis."

Asked about increased costs to Londoners, Khan says nine out of 10 cars in London are already compliant with Ulez and the scrappage scheme would offer support.'

Good luck to the Tories if the best they can come up with is a "let climate change rip" stance, for short-term political advantage.

Stopping ULEZ in outer London is a separate matter from the government's overall net zero
target.

Today Khan has won his legal battle that he has the power as Mayor to extend ULEZ London wide. However the Tories have won a political battle as Susan Hall and Tory London Assembly candidates and parliamentary candidates in London suburban and M25 belt seats can say only a Tory vote can reverse ULEZ

If you want to spin opposition to a limit on specific carbon emissions as a "separate matter" from an overall target emissions, then as I said, good luck with that.

If Tories think they can get ahead by lying, they should at least try to tell clever lies, not lies that a small child could see through.

ULEZ is a fart in a thunderstorm on CO2

Its purpose is to deal with particulates and NO2 emissions.

CO2 will be most impacted by moving to ZEVs (see 2030)

If Khan were smart, which he isn't, he'd put someone like you in charge of developing policy.
The current debate is utterly sterile on both sides. The Tories are just a bit less concerned about deaths from lung disease.

Harsh considering it was Labour who encouraged everyone to buy diesels.

I want to reduce emissions across the board. Charging people with 50k cars more than people with 5k cars doesn’t seem like Neon Fascism to me, but hey.

Penalising the drivers of compact, light hatch backs with speed bumps also seems counterproductive.

Fun idea - if you link the PAYE system to car ownership, link car tax to income tax banding…

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Carnyx said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

Carnyx said:

Andy_JS said:

"'Good news for London' says Khan, as £12.50 Ulez expansion approved"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-66328175

And just up -

.Khan says taxpayers' money 'wasted' in court case

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has just been speaking to the BBC.

He told us: "I welcome the judgement today. I've been told more than £1m of council taxpayers' money has been wasted on this case".

He adds: "I'm quite clear though, I made this decision to expand Ulez because it is really important we address the public health crisis."

Asked about increased costs to Londoners, Khan says nine out of 10 cars in London are already compliant with Ulez and the scrappage scheme would offer support.'

Good luck to the Tories if the best they can come up with is a "let climate change rip" stance, for short-term political advantage.

Stopping ULEZ in outer London is a separate matter from the government's overall net zero
target.

Today Khan has won his legal battle that he has the power as Mayor to extend ULEZ London wide. However the Tories have won a political battle as Susan Hall and Tory London Assembly candidates and parliamentary candidates in London suburban and M25 belt seats can say only a Tory vote can reverse ULEZ

If you want to spin opposition to a limit on specific carbon emissions as a "separate matter" from an overall target emissions, then as I said, good luck with that.

If Tories think they can get ahead by lying, they should at least try to tell clever lies, not lies that a small child could see through.

You can still overall continue a transition to renewables and nuclear energy longer term, which the UK is already doing better than most of the G20 on and longer term shift to hybrid and electric vehicles without imposing a deeply unpopular ULEZ and charges on petrol cars in outer London. Which will hit working class and lower middle class swing voters most as the Uxbridge by election result proved

Almost all petrol cars are ULEZ compliant. Most of the vehicles that aren't are diesels.
When the ULEZ was first extended, to the N/S Circular, my next door neighbour and I both had non compliant diesel cars. He's a window cleaner, I'm a well paid professional. We both moaned a bit but had no problem finding a replacement second hand car that we could afford. It's now a total non issue for both of us and I'm happy my kids are now breathing cleaner air, especially my eldest who has had some bad asthma attacks.

Interesting that you find the change in air so very definite. To hear some folk you'd think it was all thin air (so to speak).

It's hard to know, but I am presuming it's been effective based on the evidence I've seen. My daughter's not had an asthma attack since it's been introduced, at least!

I'm just on the borderline. I used to work - and still more wait for the bus in - a very polluted area of Edinburgh (known from actual measurements). The contrast when going home with little upwind but open fields and moors was always very noticeable in the evening.

Ok, PB Brains Trust, here is a completely random question.

I know some of you have had success in beating Sky down on renewal charges.

How did you do it? Ring up and ask or just say you were cancelling and they made an offer?

Nigelb said:

Malmesbury said:

A

Nigelb said:

Malmesbury said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Chris said:

ydoethur said:

Chris said:

Malmesbury said:

Jonathan said:

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

Carnyx said:

Andy_JS said:

"'Good news for London' says Khan, as £12.50 Ulez expansion approved"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-66328175

And just up -

.Khan says taxpayers' money 'wasted' in court case

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has just been speaking to the BBC.

He told us: "I welcome the judgement today. I've been told more than £1m of council taxpayers' money has been wasted on this case".

He adds: "I'm quite clear though, I made this decision to expand Ulez because it is really important we address the public health crisis."

Asked about increased costs to Londoners, Khan says nine out of 10 cars in London are already compliant with Ulez and the scrappage scheme would offer support.'

Good luck to the Tories if the best they can come up with is a "let climate change rip" stance, for short-term political advantage.

Stopping ULEZ in outer London is a separate matter from the government's overall net zero
target.

Today Khan has won his legal battle that he has the power as Mayor to extend ULEZ London wide. However the Tories have won a political battle as Susan Hall and Tory London Assembly candidates and parliamentary candidates in London suburban and M25 belt seats can say only a Tory vote can reverse ULEZ

When are the right going to stop playing silly buggers with the environment?

Equally one could ask about why car taxation in London is so regressive - the rich pay nothing.

Why do the rich pay nothing?

Electric vehicles?

Do you mean that the rich travel only by electric vehicles?

It's one of those fact free memes beloved of the right. I know a lot of rich people and very few of them have an EV. I know a lot of not especially rich people and some of them have an EV.

Because of the constricted second hand market, cheap EVs tend to be rather performance constrained.

When the Tesla Model S launched, it killed big Mercedes sales in California. The whole business plan of the EV industry was to get adopted by the rich and move down.

Currently we are at middle class prices for new EVs.

Most of the rich people I know have adopted environmentalism as the fashion - houses insulated and triple glazed, bore hole heat pump systems, solar panels (of course), power storage, rain water storage… the EV SUV on the drive is part of the lifestyle.

Running your EV off solar power is the dream - a farmer* I know, who is switch in to solar farming + a small business park is very proud that between the storage and the panels, he can offer 100% home grown leccy** to small business using his premises.

A real shame that Toyota were so anti-EV. An all electric Prius Luke have been staggeringly popular, I reckon.

*family is very well off, it’s not exactly hobby farming, but he doesn’t exactly worry about being profitable in the first few years.
**most of the time

Strategic misstep by Toyota - but they're now investing billions.
They're one if the manufacturers likely to have one if the early solid state* battery offerings.

*None of the first ones will be entirely so, but the will be a significant advance.

Bit like the niobium anode stuff reported yesterday from the U.K., I am somewhat sceptical.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/07/ultra-fast-niobium-batteries-boast-6-min-charge-for-lotus-elise-based-ev/

Batteries for cars are generally considered to have about 5 properties you care about

1) Wh/kg
2) Cost
3) Density
4) Cycle life
5) Charging time

Past experience seems to show that you can get get performance on 3 of those while making the other 2 suck.

When looking at these announcements, see which ones they trumpet. And which ones don’t get mentioned.

The solid state stuff is claimed to improve all five metrics.

We shall see. They were talking about a 2025 in service date - wheres the mule? They should be building a factory - where is it?

Malmesbury said:

Nigelb said:

Malmesbury said:

A

Nigelb said:

Malmesbury said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Chris said:

ydoethur said:

Chris said:

Malmesbury said:

Jonathan said:

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

Carnyx said:

Andy_JS said:

"'Good news for London' says Khan, as £12.50 Ulez expansion approved"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-66328175

And just up -

.Khan says taxpayers' money 'wasted' in court case

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has just been speaking to the BBC.

He told us: "I welcome the judgement today. I've been told more than £1m of council taxpayers' money has been wasted on this case".

He adds: "I'm quite clear though, I made this decision to expand Ulez because it is really important we address the public health crisis."

Asked about increased costs to Londoners, Khan says nine out of 10 cars in London are already compliant with Ulez and the scrappage scheme would offer support.'

Good luck to the Tories if the best they can come up with is a "let climate change rip" stance, for short-term political advantage.

Stopping ULEZ in outer London is a separate matter from the government's overall net zero
target.

Today Khan has won his legal battle that he has the power as Mayor to extend ULEZ London wide. However the Tories have won a political battle as Susan Hall and Tory London Assembly candidates and parliamentary candidates in London suburban and M25 belt seats can say only a Tory vote can reverse ULEZ

When are the right going to stop playing silly buggers with the environment?

Equally one could ask about why car taxation in London is so regressive - the rich pay nothing.

Why do the rich pay nothing?

Electric vehicles?

Do you mean that the rich travel only by electric vehicles?

It's one of those fact free memes beloved of the right. I know a lot of rich people and very few of them have an EV. I know a lot of not especially rich people and some of them have an EV.

Because of the constricted second hand market, cheap EVs tend to be rather performance constrained.

When the Tesla Model S launched, it killed big Mercedes sales in California. The whole business plan of the EV industry was to get adopted by the rich and move down.

Currently we are at middle class prices for new EVs.

Most of the rich people I know have adopted environmentalism as the fashion - houses insulated and triple glazed, bore hole heat pump systems, solar panels (of course), power storage, rain water storage… the EV SUV on the drive is part of the lifestyle.

Running your EV off solar power is the dream - a farmer* I know, who is switch in to solar farming + a small business park is very proud that between the storage and the panels, he can offer 100% home grown leccy** to small business using his premises.

A real shame that Toyota were so anti-EV. An all electric Prius Luke have been staggeringly popular, I reckon.

*family is very well off, it’s not exactly hobby farming, but he doesn’t exactly worry about being profitable in the first few years.
**most of the time

Strategic misstep by Toyota - but they're now investing billions.
They're one if the manufacturers likely to have one if the early solid state* battery offerings.

*None of the first ones will be entirely so, but the will be a significant advance.

Bit like the niobium anode stuff reported yesterday from the U.K., I am somewhat sceptical.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/07/ultra-fast-niobium-batteries-boast-6-min-charge-for-lotus-elise-based-ev/

Batteries for cars are generally considered to have about 5 properties you care about

1) Wh/kg
2) Cost
3) Density
4) Cycle life
5) Charging time

Past experience seems to show that you can get get performance on 3 of those while making the other 2 suck.

When looking at these announcements, see which ones they trumpet. And which ones don’t get mentioned.

The solid state stuff is claimed to improve all five metrics.

We shall see. They were talking about a 2025 in service date - wheres the mule? They should be building a factory - where is it?

First products in 2025 - I don't think they're envisaging mass production before 2027.

JV with Panasonic, who of course already have several factories.

ydoethur said:

Ok, PB Brains Trust, here is a completely random question.

I know some of you have had success in beating Sky down on renewal charges.

How did you do it? Ring up and ask or just say you were cancelling and they made an offer?

Speak to cancellations.

Cancel.

Make sure your contact preferences are up to date.

On the day it cancels you’ll get a Winback team call or email with a good deal.

Edit this should only be done for TV.

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

Ok, PB Brains Trust, here is a completely random question.

I know some of you have had success in beating Sky down on renewal charges.

How did you do it? Ring up and ask or just say you were cancelling and they made an offer?

Speak to cancellations.

Cancel.

Make sure your contact preferences are up to date.

On the day it cancels you’ll get a Winback team call or email with a good deal.

Edit this should only be done for TV.

Ok - mine includes Broadband as well.

Sandpit said:

Nigelb said:

Malmesbury said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Chris said:

ydoethur said:

Chris said:

Malmesbury said:

Jonathan said:

HYUFD said:

Chris said:

Carnyx said:

Andy_JS said:

"'Good news for London' says Khan, as £12.50 Ulez expansion approved"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-66328175

And just up -

.Khan says taxpayers' money 'wasted' in court case

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has just been speaking to the BBC.

He told us: "I welcome the judgement today. I've been told more than £1m of council taxpayers' money has been wasted on this case".

He adds: "I'm quite clear though, I made this decision to expand Ulez because it is really important we address the public health crisis."

Asked about increased costs to Londoners, Khan says nine out of 10 cars in London are already compliant with Ulez and the scrappage scheme would offer support.'

Good luck to the Tories if the best they can come up with is a "let climate change rip" stance, for short-term political advantage.

Stopping ULEZ in outer London is a separate matter from the government's overall net zero
target.

Today Khan has won his legal battle that he has the power as Mayor to extend ULEZ London wide. However the Tories have won a political battle as Susan Hall and Tory London Assembly candidates and parliamentary candidates in London suburban and M25 belt seats can say only a Tory vote can reverse ULEZ

When are the right going to stop playing silly buggers with the environment?

Equally one could ask about why car taxation in London is so regressive - the rich pay nothing.

Why do the rich pay nothing?

Electric vehicles?

Do you mean that the rich travel only by electric vehicles?

It's one of those fact free memes beloved of the right. I know a lot of rich people and very few of them have an EV. I know a lot of not especially rich people and some of them have an EV.

Because of the constricted second hand market, cheap EVs tend to be rather performance constrained.

When the Tesla Model S launched, it killed big Mercedes sales in California. The whole business plan of the EV industry was to get adopted by the rich and move down.

Currently we are at middle class prices for new EVs.

Most of the rich people I know have adopted environmentalism as the fashion - houses insulated and triple glazed, bore hole heat pump systems, solar panels (of course), power storage, rain water storage… the EV SUV on the drive is part of the lifestyle.

Running your EV off solar power is the dream - a farmer* I know, who is switch in to solar farming + a small business park is very proud that between the storage and the panels, he can offer 100% home grown leccy** to small business using his premises.

A real shame that Toyota were so anti-EV. An all electric Prius Luke have been staggeringly popular, I reckon.

*family is very well off, it’s not exactly hobby farming, but he doesn’t exactly worry about being profitable in the first few years.
**most of the time

Strategic misstep by Toyota - but they're now investing billions.
They're one if the manufacturers likely to have one if the early solid state* battery offerings.

*None of the first ones will be entirely so, but the will be a significant advance.

I think Toyota’s strategy will actually pay off in many parts of the world. Unlike most others, they haven’t put all their eggs in one basket.

Only because of their deep pockets.

Most carmakers would have been crippled by the amount of capital (and diversion of engineering talent) they wasted on developing hydrogen vehicles. That technology will probably find useful niches in time, but it will probably never pay back financially.

I like David Baddiel, but don't agree with him on this:

https://www.thejc.com/lets-talk/all/oppenheimer-liked-to-pretend-he-wasnt-jewish-like-the-film-1rsH6pz4EC1yDIku5F1azk

Nigelb said:

Andy_JS said:

Sandpit said:

A proper batsmen’s innings from Labuchagne there. Nine runs from 82 balls!

It's nice to have some real test cricket for a change, instead of playing as if it's a 20/20 match.

There's no rule to say how you have to play test cricket.
England want a result; Australia don't. Each side is playing accordingly.

Both approaches are entirely "real".

And there’s nothing to stop us pointing out that Australia are a boring, cautious side compared to England, and that Test cricket - if it is to have any future (I doubt it does, after this series) - has to adopt a more English mentality. A result at almost any cost

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

Ok, PB Brains Trust, here is a completely random question.

I know some of you have had success in beating Sky down on renewal charges.

How did you do it? Ring up and ask or just say you were cancelling and they made an offer?

Speak to cancellations.

Cancel.

Make sure your contact preferences are up to date.

On the day it cancels you’ll get a Winback team call or email with a good deal.

Edit this should only be done for TV.

Ok - mine includes Broadband as well.

In that case tell them you are leaving for Virgin as they are offering you a BB and TV deal similar to what you are on for £60.

Is your advice I should switch to Virgin, or is that just a suggested negotiating ploy?

It can't be the former as I don't have Virgin coverage where I live.

TimS said:

Meanwhile in good net zero news / UK falling behind the competition warning:

China *added* more solar capacity in H1 this year than the *total* UK generating capacity across all forms of energy.

https://twitter.com/gabrielmilland/status/1684911164814237696?s=46

China is still burning a lot of coal, but the phenomenal growth in its renewable generation bodes well for the future. While China has been emitting more CO2 per capita than the UK for the past few years, this is looking like being a temporary state of affairs unless we also keep up the pace.

Luckyguy1983 said:

TimS said:

Meanwhile in good net zero news / UK falling behind the competition warning:

China *added* more solar capacity in H1 this year than the *total* UK generating capacity across all forms of energy.

https://twitter.com/gabrielmilland/status/1684911164814237696?s=46

You want us to use as much energy as China? Where do I sign?

We need a billion more people as well.

Invest in boat building shares?

Luckyguy1983 said:

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Andy_JS said:

Moody's may leave Canary Wharf.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/07/27/canary-wharfs-woes-deepen-us-ratings-agency-leaves/

It would have helped a lot if the bonus cap had gone. It is nonsensical self-harm to keep it.

It is to do with reducing office space as more wfh

@DavidL why did you have to say that at the end of the last thread?

Last half an hour Aus have looked totally untroubled.