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  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,175
    Broad looks exhausted.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,175
    Yet another part of the Horizon scandal:

    Post Office bosses told to repay mistaken bonuses
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65963710
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    rcs1000 said:

    Very interesting Trump polling

    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/20/politics/cnn-poll-trump-indictment-republicans-2024/index.html

    Tl:Dr

    Indictment has impacted Trump among primary voters, but not enough to change outcome. Currently.

    Its not going to change. 25% of the GOP electorate are hardcore Trump nutters. Another 30% or so like someone strong who will stick it to the libs. Anyone that tries to go up against Trump gets eviscerated by him and looks weak.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,126
    I reckon this is going to be a tie.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 690
    tlg86 said:

    I reckon this is going to be a tie.

    No. Stokes declared too soon.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,175
    SandraMc said:

    tlg86 said:

    I reckon this is going to be a tie.

    No. Stokes declared too soon.
    I think ultimately it's Cummins that has been the difference, regardless of Khawaja's efforts.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,701

    ydoethur said:

    Bloody I hell, I just went to the loo and it's all gone down the pan!

    Good to know your flush loo works....
    We are now all privy to this information.
    Should have stayed in the closet :)
    Oh no, NO! Sunil, please tell us that your keenness in stations wasn't more of a secluded matter!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,390
    tlg86 said:

    I reckon this is going to be a tie.

    As we’re in Birmingham, a kipper tie!
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,688
    edited June 2023
    Draw 130.

    Sure it's unlikely - but that unlikely?

    Only 8 overs to go. And 7pm.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,467
    tlg86 said:

    I reckon this is going to be a tie.

    36/1 on BF
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,595
    Sandpit said:

    tlg86 said:

    I reckon this is going to be a tie.

    As we’re in Birmingham, a kipper tie!
    Two sugars please!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,175
    People talking about 2005 Edgbaston.

    Worth remembering if we'd had DRS for that match Aus would have won.

    And Lyon has just put matters beyond doubt.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,688
    OK, draw less likely now!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,390

    Whoever wins, this is a brilliant advert for Bazball and for Test circket. They said they wanted it to be entertaining and this has served that up in spades. Well done to both England and Australia.

    Absolutely, a fantastic advert for this form of the sport. Very well played by both teams, no matter what the result.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,175
    Last over, I assume.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,688
    Now they get close, they get nervous so stop scoring.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,390
    ydoethur said:

    Last over, I assume.

    The maiden disagrees.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,175
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Last over, I assume.

    The maiden disagrees.
    If it's not a wicket maiden it's no good.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,607
    Sandpit said:

    Whoever wins, this is a brilliant advert for Bazball and for Test circket. They said they wanted it to be entertaining and this has served that up in spades. Well done to both England and Australia.

    Absolutely, a fantastic advert for this form of the sport. Very well played by both teams, no matter what the result.
    Yawwwwnnnnn :lol:
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,134
    SandraMc said:

    tlg86 said:

    I reckon this is going to be a tie.

    No. Stokes declared too soon.
    Nah, everything about the match would have been different, and plenty of catches have gone down besides.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,134
    ydoethur said:

    People talking about 2005 Edgbaston.

    Worth remembering if we'd had DRS for that match Aus would have won.

    And Lyon has just put matters beyond doubt.

    Only if they hadn't used all their reviews like they did at Headingley 2019.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,368
    The draw is still live....

    Although the bookies would look askance at that outcome.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,607

    SandraMc said:

    tlg86 said:

    I reckon this is going to be a tie.

    No. Stokes declared too soon.
    Nah, everything about the match would have been different, and plenty of catches have gone down besides.
    Diff'rent Stokes?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,595
    edited June 2023
    ydoethur said:

    Last over, I assume.

    This one definitely will be.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,175
    Fuxsake, winning off a misfield.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,342
    Ferfuxsake.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,595

    ydoethur said:

    Last over, I assume.

    This one definitely will be.
    Told ya
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,390
    Bugger! A good match none the less. Onwards and upwards.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Ok I called it wrong. Disappointed.

    AUS deserve the win by chasing 280.

    Getting out the tail remains a problem for us.

    We can come back!
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,126
    So, about that declaration…
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,195
    Knocked it over the boundary !!!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    *cries*
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,716
    Surely Cummins for MOTM. But it will probably go to Khawaja. In fairness he kept Australia in the match in the first innings.
  • CorrectHorseBatCorrectHorseBat Posts: 1,761
    They declared a bit early I thought at the time
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,342
    kle4 said:

    *cries*

    You and me both.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    edited June 2023
    *cries*
    tlg86 said:

    So, about that declaration…

    Hate to harp on it, but it did end up the difference, and it's not as though it put them under pressure on that first day. It was that glorious treading of the line of boldness and recklessness. Still keep the same attitude, just don't feel the need to always trie to 'shock' people.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,599
    edited June 2023
    Australia traded at a high of 19.5 with thousands traded around 11 (or 10/1 in old money).

    England reached a low of 1.21.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,607
    Australia = Labour
    England = Tories

    :lol:
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,599
    Shaun Bailey peerage could be in doubt as police scrutinise lockdown party at Tory HQ
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/shaun-bailey-london-mayor-peerage-boris-johnson-partygate-video-aides-b1088962.html
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,352
    edited June 2023

    Australia = Labour
    England = Tories

    :lol:

    Nah.
    England were honest, inventive and halfway competent.
    Australia sure were duller, mind.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,983
    If England had put another 30 on instead of declaring we'd probably have won
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,288
    dixiedean said:

    Australia = Labour
    England = Tories

    :lol:

    Nah.
    England were honest, inventive and halfway competent.
    Australia sure were duller, mind.
    I think Australia stepped up to the mark very well in the entertainment stakes. And everyone - including all the Aussie commentators - are enthused about this sort of Test Cricket. Even the long time critics of England like Langer and Ponting are enthusiastic about it.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,352
    Pulpstar said:

    If England had put another 30 on instead of declaring we'd probably have won

    That if is doing some work.
    Another 30 would have taken 6 overs out the game.
    Which means they'd have shut up shop.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,352

    kle4 said:

    *cries*

    tlg86 said:

    So, about that declaration…

    Hate to harp on it, but it did end up the difference, and it's not as though it put them under pressure on that first day. It was that glorious treading of the line of boldness and recklessness. Still keep the same attitude, just don't feel the need to always trie to 'shock' people.
    The chances are very high that without that declaration the match would have been a boring draw. I would take this match and its result - even though the Aussies won - absolutely any day over the 'normal' test cricket

    Well done to both teams (with a special well done to the Aussies for the win) for making it one of the great, memorable test matches.
    Agree entirely.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,314
    edited June 2023
    Great test match. I too think the declaration was an error. But I think the turning point was Root's dismissal in the second innings - stumped following a bizarre rush down the wicket and a swish across the line. Most uncharacteristic for a doughty Yorkshireman. Finally, you can only have one MotM and it had to be Khawaja, despite Cummins's heroics.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,352

    dixiedean said:

    Australia = Labour
    England = Tories

    :lol:

    Nah.
    England were honest, inventive and halfway competent.
    Australia sure were duller, mind.
    I think Australia stepped up to the mark very well in the entertainment stakes. And everyone - including all the Aussie commentators - are enthused about this sort of Test Cricket. Even the long time critics of England like Langer and Ponting are enthusiastic about it.
    Just a tad over three an over both innings?
    Several long periods of turgid batting.
    England's bizarre fields and quirky bowling changes kept it interesting.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Pulpstar said:

    If England had put another 30 on instead of declaring we'd probably have won

    We never looked like getting a wicket after the drop. The only difference was the time. England have addressed one of their problems IE slow scoring. We still struggle to get the tail out.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639

    Pulpstar said:

    If England had put another 30 on instead of declaring we'd probably have won

    We never looked like getting a wicket after the drop. The only difference was the time. England have addressed one of their problems IE slow scoring. We still struggle to get the tail out.
    To clarify if they needed another 50 we wouldn't have got it
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,505

    Australia traded at a high of 19.5 with thousands traded around 11 (or 10/1 in old money).

    England reached a low of 1.21.

    Sadly, it's usually a good strategy to bet against the patriotic choice, as people like to bet on what they want to happen...
  • CorrectHorseBatCorrectHorseBat Posts: 1,761
    England to win at Lords?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,612

    Pulpstar said:

    If England had put another 30 on instead of declaring we'd probably have won

    We never looked like getting a wicket after the drop. The only difference was the time. England have addressed one of their problems IE slow scoring. We still struggle to get the tail out.
    Need someone with a bit more pace. 4 bowlers at 80ish didn't provide enough variety.

    Mind you, Jimmy will be retiring immediately if he has to play on pitches like that forever more.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,645

    Australia traded at a high of 19.5 with thousands traded around 11 (or 10/1 in old money).

    England reached a low of 1.21.

    Sadly, it's usually a good strategy to bet against the patriotic choice, as people like to bet on what they want to happen...
    Good advice about 30 years ago but very much out of date. Cricket match odds markets are set nearly entirely by the Indian market. Football match odds by the Asian/Chinese market.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,612

    I've never enjoyed a defeat more than today

    What an outstanding exhibit for Test cricket being among the finest of sporting spectacles

    I'm gutted we didn't win, but so excited for the rest of this series

    Test Cricket -> The Ring Cycle
    One Day Cricket -> Figaro
    The Hundred -> Cats
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374
    I think Labour may fall short of a majority in England but it could be gains from the SNP that take them over the line UK wide.

    The difference from 1992 is Major still led Kinnock as preferred PM, whereas Starmer now leads Sunak as preferred PM
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,126
    edited June 2023
    dixiedean said:

    Pulpstar said:

    If England had put another 30 on instead of declaring we'd probably have won

    That if is doing some work.
    Another 30 would have taken 6 overs out the game.
    Which means they'd have shut up shop.
    It may well have been a draw. But Root and Robinson could have got England well past 400. The Australians would have been quite happy when England declared. And you should always do what the opposition don’t want you to do.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374

    England to win at Lords?

    Maybe, still plenty of Tests left
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,826
    Anyway, the real sporting event of the day, Scotland v Georgia.

    Absolutely torrential rain, they really should suspend play, what's that you say, 1-0, marvellous decision to soldier on..
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374

    kle4 said:

    Fishing said:

    The decline in the Scots Nats, if sustained, will also significantly reduce the chance of a hung Parliament, with all the weakness and instability that entails. Of course, getting rid of the Northern Irish would reduce it much further, as well as saving the English taxpayer a fortune, but sadly there is no hope of that at the moment.

    It's one of those things that a lot of people curiously regard as inevitable ('tis an island you know, so it's only right it be unified), but also seems far off given the glacified politics at play there.
    I fully expect Westminster to betray the DUP and Stormont at some point. Labour has never been keen on keeping NI, it was always the Tories to whom Unionism looked for support. Now the Tories are barking mad thanks to Brexit Purity and throwing NI to their more rabid supporters would probably be popular.

    They could say "Let's get rid of N.I. and save £millions per week and spend it on mortgage interest relief"

    It would look great on the side of a bus...
    Starmer has made clear he will campaign to keep NI in the UK and you can't throw people there who want to stay in the UK under the bus, for starters people in the North and Midlands and South are far more in need of mortgage interest relief in absolute numbers than NI.

    Brexit has been done and NI stayed in the UK, we will never betray our Protestant brothers in Ulster!
  • I've never enjoyed a defeat more than today

    What an outstanding exhibit for Test cricket being among the finest of sporting spectacles

    I'm gutted we didn't win, but so excited for the rest of this series

    Test Cricket -> The Ring Cycle
    One Day Cricket -> Figaro
    The Hundred -> Cats
    What about T20?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,716
    Scotland 1-0 up against Georgia already but taken off the pitch which is currently unplayable. I hope England can show the same level of consistency in due course.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,342

    Anyway, the real sporting event of the day, Scotland v Georgia.

    Absolutely torrential rain, they really should suspend play, what's that you say, 1-0, marvellous decision to soldier on..

    How are the Scotland fans dealing with playing a side with the cross of St George as their flag?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,727
    edited June 2023
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Fishing said:

    The decline in the Scots Nats, if sustained, will also significantly reduce the chance of a hung Parliament, with all the weakness and instability that entails. Of course, getting rid of the Northern Irish would reduce it much further, as well as saving the English taxpayer a fortune, but sadly there is no hope of that at the moment.

    It's one of those things that a lot of people curiously regard as inevitable ('tis an island you know, so it's only right it be unified), but also seems far off given the glacified politics at play there.
    I fully expect Westminster to betray the DUP and Stormont at some point. Labour has never been keen on keeping NI, it was always the Tories to whom Unionism looked for support. Now the Tories are barking mad thanks to Brexit Purity and throwing NI to their more rabid supporters would probably be popular.

    They could say "Let's get rid of N.I. and save £millions per week and spend it on mortgage interest relief"

    It would look great on the side of a bus...
    Starmer has made clear he will campaign to keep NI in the UK and you can't throw people there who want to stay in the UK under the bus, for starters people in the North and Midlands and South are far more in need of mortgage interest relief in absolute numbers than NI.

    Brexit has been done and NI stayed in the UK, we will never betray our Protestant brothers in Ulster!
    Surely any kind of help with mortgages is going to disproportionately benefit the south?

    I'd be interested to see figures for mortgage lending by region.

    Edit: As in South England. Not Ireland!
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,347
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Fishing said:

    The decline in the Scots Nats, if sustained, will also significantly reduce the chance of a hung Parliament, with all the weakness and instability that entails. Of course, getting rid of the Northern Irish would reduce it much further, as well as saving the English taxpayer a fortune, but sadly there is no hope of that at the moment.

    It's one of those things that a lot of people curiously regard as inevitable ('tis an island you know, so it's only right it be unified), but also seems far off given the glacified politics at play there.
    I fully expect Westminster to betray the DUP and Stormont at some point. Labour has never been keen on keeping NI, it was always the Tories to whom Unionism looked for support. Now the Tories are barking mad thanks to Brexit Purity and throwing NI to their more rabid supporters would probably be popular.

    They could say "Let's get rid of N.I. and save £millions per week and spend it on mortgage interest relief"

    It would look great on the side of a bus...
    Starmer has made clear he will campaign to keep NI in the UK and you can't throw people there who want to stay in the UK under the bus, for starters people in the North and Midlands and South are far more in need of mortgage interest relief in absolute numbers than NI.

    Brexit has been done and NI stayed in the UK, we will never betray our Protestant brothers in Ulster!
    Good job Boris is no longer PM then. If there’d been a deal he really fancied which involved selling the UU’s (whatever colour they were) down the river he’d have done it!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374
    Tasteless tweet from Polly Toynbee

    '@pollytoynbee
    Searching rather harder for five millionaires' missing sub than for small boats sinking with hundreds of families and children on board?'
    https://twitter.com/pollytoynbee/status/1671182571793686528?s=20
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,736
    HYUFD said:

    Tasteless tweet from Polly Toynbee

    '@pollytoynbee
    Searching rather harder for five millionaires' missing sub than for small boats sinking with hundreds of families and children on board?'
    https://twitter.com/pollytoynbee/status/1671182571793686528?s=20

    Commenting on a tasteless fact.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,645

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Fishing said:

    The decline in the Scots Nats, if sustained, will also significantly reduce the chance of a hung Parliament, with all the weakness and instability that entails. Of course, getting rid of the Northern Irish would reduce it much further, as well as saving the English taxpayer a fortune, but sadly there is no hope of that at the moment.

    It's one of those things that a lot of people curiously regard as inevitable ('tis an island you know, so it's only right it be unified), but also seems far off given the glacified politics at play there.
    I fully expect Westminster to betray the DUP and Stormont at some point. Labour has never been keen on keeping NI, it was always the Tories to whom Unionism looked for support. Now the Tories are barking mad thanks to Brexit Purity and throwing NI to their more rabid supporters would probably be popular.

    They could say "Let's get rid of N.I. and save £millions per week and spend it on mortgage interest relief"

    It would look great on the side of a bus...
    Starmer has made clear he will campaign to keep NI in the UK and you can't throw people there who want to stay in the UK under the bus, for starters people in the North and Midlands and South are far more in need of mortgage interest relief in absolute numbers than NI.

    Brexit has been done and NI stayed in the UK, we will never betray our Protestant brothers in Ulster!
    Surely any kind of help with mortgages is going to disproportionately benefit the south?

    I'd be interested to see figures for mortgage lending by region.
    Benefit mostly mortgage holders in the South, and prop up house prices for owners without a mortgage too.

    However worst hit will be employed renters in the South, who have to pay extra tax to sub their landlords and drive up the price of houses they want to buy, as per usual.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374
    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tasteless tweet from Polly Toynbee

    '@pollytoynbee
    Searching rather harder for five millionaires' missing sub than for small boats sinking with hundreds of families and children on board?'
    https://twitter.com/pollytoynbee/status/1671182571793686528?s=20

    Commenting on a tasteless fact.
    As repulsive a class war post from you too, there are search and rescue boats involved in both and Canada and the US where the Titanic sub rescue is taking place is not even on the same continent as greece either
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,195
    HYUFD said:

    Tasteless tweet from Polly Toynbee

    '@pollytoynbee
    Searching rather harder for five millionaires' missing sub than for small boats sinking with hundreds of families and children on board?'
    https://twitter.com/pollytoynbee/status/1671182571793686528?s=20

    Indeed

    https://twitter.com/damiennerice/status/1671196384060489728?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Fishing said:

    The decline in the Scots Nats, if sustained, will also significantly reduce the chance of a hung Parliament, with all the weakness and instability that entails. Of course, getting rid of the Northern Irish would reduce it much further, as well as saving the English taxpayer a fortune, but sadly there is no hope of that at the moment.

    It's one of those things that a lot of people curiously regard as inevitable ('tis an island you know, so it's only right it be unified), but also seems far off given the glacified politics at play there.
    I fully expect Westminster to betray the DUP and Stormont at some point. Labour has never been keen on keeping NI, it was always the Tories to whom Unionism looked for support. Now the Tories are barking mad thanks to Brexit Purity and throwing NI to their more rabid supporters would probably be popular.

    They could say "Let's get rid of N.I. and save £millions per week and spend it on mortgage interest relief"

    It would look great on the side of a bus...
    Starmer has made clear he will campaign to keep NI in the UK and you can't throw people there who want to stay in the UK under the bus, for starters people in the North and Midlands and South are far more in need of mortgage interest relief in absolute numbers than NI.

    Brexit has been done and NI stayed in the UK, we will never betray our Protestant brothers in Ulster!
    Good job Boris is no longer PM then. If there’d been a deal he really fancied which involved selling the UU’s (whatever colour they were) down the river he’d have done it!
    And Rishi has now removed the Irish Sea border.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,612

    I've never enjoyed a defeat more than today

    What an outstanding exhibit for Test cricket being among the finest of sporting spectacles

    I'm gutted we didn't win, but so excited for the rest of this series

    Test Cricket -> The Ring Cycle
    One Day Cricket -> Figaro
    The Hundred -> Cats
    What about T20?
    Well, it isn't quite as bad as The Hundred. Miss Saigon?
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tasteless tweet from Polly Toynbee

    '@pollytoynbee
    Searching rather harder for five millionaires' missing sub than for small boats sinking with hundreds of families and children on board?'
    https://twitter.com/pollytoynbee/status/1671182571793686528?s=20

    Commenting on a tasteless fact.
    Could you identify the small boats Polly is referring to?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,727

    Shaun Bailey peerage could be in doubt as police scrutinise lockdown party at Tory HQ
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/shaun-bailey-london-mayor-peerage-boris-johnson-partygate-video-aides-b1088962.html

    Just give it to him. People who have done far worse have got peerages in the past.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,878

    kle4 said:

    *cries*

    tlg86 said:

    So, about that declaration…

    Hate to harp on it, but it did end up the difference, and it's not as though it put them under pressure on that first day. It was that glorious treading of the line of boldness and recklessness. Still keep the same attitude, just don't feel the need to always trie to 'shock' people.
    The chances are very high that without that declaration the match would have been a boring draw. I would take this match and its result - even though the Aussies won - absolutely any day over the 'normal' test cricket

    Well done to both teams (with a special well done to the Aussies for the win) for making it one of the great, memorable test matches.
    Exactly. The whole point of what McCullum and Stokes are doing is to make Test cricket more entertaining by playing for a result, not settling for draws. That means changing the distribution of outcomes, so there will be fewer draws, more losses, but hopefully marginally more wins.

    The proof of the pudding is in the eating obviously, but everything we've seen so far since McCullum and Stokes have taken over has been very encouraging. The whole England team looks a hell of a lot happier than they have in many years, and they are playing good and entertaining cricket.

    One of the things I hate love about the Aussies is that they always give it a go. When it comes to sport — any sport — Aussies never phone it in. I am loving England playing in a similar fashion.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,126
    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tasteless tweet from Polly Toynbee

    '@pollytoynbee
    Searching rather harder for five millionaires' missing sub than for small boats sinking with hundreds of families and children on board?'
    https://twitter.com/pollytoynbee/status/1671182571793686528?s=20

    Commenting on a tasteless fact.
    Is it a fact?

    https://twitter.com/Grandadgreg1/status/1671197115085729793

    Are they? Rescue op for the refugees was at least three days and included 6 coastguard vessels, a frigate, a military transport plane, an air force helicopter, several private vessels and a drone from the EU border protection agency, Frontex.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,607

    Shaun Bailey peerage could be in doubt as police scrutinise lockdown party at Tory HQ
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/shaun-bailey-london-mayor-peerage-boris-johnson-partygate-video-aides-b1088962.html

    Just give it to him. People who have done far worse have got peerages in the past.
    House of Lords = House of Unelected Has-Beens!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,607
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Fishing said:

    The decline in the Scots Nats, if sustained, will also significantly reduce the chance of a hung Parliament, with all the weakness and instability that entails. Of course, getting rid of the Northern Irish would reduce it much further, as well as saving the English taxpayer a fortune, but sadly there is no hope of that at the moment.

    It's one of those things that a lot of people curiously regard as inevitable ('tis an island you know, so it's only right it be unified), but also seems far off given the glacified politics at play there.
    I fully expect Westminster to betray the DUP and Stormont at some point. Labour has never been keen on keeping NI, it was always the Tories to whom Unionism looked for support. Now the Tories are barking mad thanks to Brexit Purity and throwing NI to their more rabid supporters would probably be popular.

    They could say "Let's get rid of N.I. and save £millions per week and spend it on mortgage interest relief"

    It would look great on the side of a bus...
    Starmer has made clear he will campaign to keep NI in the UK and you can't throw people there who want to stay in the UK under the bus, for starters people in the North and Midlands and South are far more in need of mortgage interest relief in absolute numbers than NI.

    Brexit has been done and NI stayed in the UK, we will never betray our Protestant brothers in Ulster!
    More Nationalist than Unionist MPs elected in 2019.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374
    Labour now targeting Mid Beds and not giving the LDs a free run v the Tories
    https://twitter.com/peterkyle/status/1671077159077572608?s=20
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Fishing said:

    The decline in the Scots Nats, if sustained, will also significantly reduce the chance of a hung Parliament, with all the weakness and instability that entails. Of course, getting rid of the Northern Irish would reduce it much further, as well as saving the English taxpayer a fortune, but sadly there is no hope of that at the moment.

    It's one of those things that a lot of people curiously regard as inevitable ('tis an island you know, so it's only right it be unified), but also seems far off given the glacified politics at play there.
    I fully expect Westminster to betray the DUP and Stormont at some point. Labour has never been keen on keeping NI, it was always the Tories to whom Unionism looked for support. Now the Tories are barking mad thanks to Brexit Purity and throwing NI to their more rabid supporters would probably be popular.

    They could say "Let's get rid of N.I. and save £millions per week and spend it on mortgage interest relief"

    It would look great on the side of a bus...
    Starmer has made clear he will campaign to keep NI in the UK and you can't throw people there who want to stay in the UK under the bus, for starters people in the North and Midlands and South are far more in need of mortgage interest relief in absolute numbers than NI.

    Brexit has been done and NI stayed in the UK, we will never betray our Protestant brothers in Ulster!
    More Nationalist than Unionist MPs elected in 2019.
    The Alliance were created as a soft Unionist party
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,607
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Fishing said:

    The decline in the Scots Nats, if sustained, will also significantly reduce the chance of a hung Parliament, with all the weakness and instability that entails. Of course, getting rid of the Northern Irish would reduce it much further, as well as saving the English taxpayer a fortune, but sadly there is no hope of that at the moment.

    It's one of those things that a lot of people curiously regard as inevitable ('tis an island you know, so it's only right it be unified), but also seems far off given the glacified politics at play there.
    I fully expect Westminster to betray the DUP and Stormont at some point. Labour has never been keen on keeping NI, it was always the Tories to whom Unionism looked for support. Now the Tories are barking mad thanks to Brexit Purity and throwing NI to their more rabid supporters would probably be popular.

    They could say "Let's get rid of N.I. and save £millions per week and spend it on mortgage interest relief"

    It would look great on the side of a bus...
    Starmer has made clear he will campaign to keep NI in the UK and you can't throw people there who want to stay in the UK under the bus, for starters people in the North and Midlands and South are far more in need of mortgage interest relief in absolute numbers than NI.

    Brexit has been done and NI stayed in the UK, we will never betray our Protestant brothers in Ulster!
    More Nationalist than Unionist MPs elected in 2019.
    The Alliance were created as a soft Unionist party
    Now they are more progressive than conservative.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374
    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tasteless tweet from Polly Toynbee

    '@pollytoynbee
    Searching rather harder for five millionaires' missing sub than for small boats sinking with hundreds of families and children on board?'
    https://twitter.com/pollytoynbee/status/1671182571793686528?s=20

    Indeed

    https://twitter.com/damiennerice/status/1671196384060489728?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ
    Polly herself lives in a multi million pound house of course
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Fishing said:

    The decline in the Scots Nats, if sustained, will also significantly reduce the chance of a hung Parliament, with all the weakness and instability that entails. Of course, getting rid of the Northern Irish would reduce it much further, as well as saving the English taxpayer a fortune, but sadly there is no hope of that at the moment.

    It's one of those things that a lot of people curiously regard as inevitable ('tis an island you know, so it's only right it be unified), but also seems far off given the glacified politics at play there.
    I fully expect Westminster to betray the DUP and Stormont at some point. Labour has never been keen on keeping NI, it was always the Tories to whom Unionism looked for support. Now the Tories are barking mad thanks to Brexit Purity and throwing NI to their more rabid supporters would probably be popular.

    They could say "Let's get rid of N.I. and save £millions per week and spend it on mortgage interest relief"

    It would look great on the side of a bus...
    Starmer has made clear he will campaign to keep NI in the UK and you can't throw people there who want to stay in the UK under the bus, for starters people in the North and Midlands and South are far more in need of mortgage interest relief in absolute numbers than NI.

    Brexit has been done and NI stayed in the UK, we will never betray our Protestant brothers in Ulster!
    More Nationalist than Unionist MPs elected in 2019.
    The Alliance were created as a soft Unionist party
    Now they are more progressive than conservative.
    They are not Nationalist
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374
    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tasteless tweet from Polly Toynbee

    '@pollytoynbee
    Searching rather harder for five millionaires' missing sub than for small boats sinking with hundreds of families and children on board?'
    https://twitter.com/pollytoynbee/status/1671182571793686528?s=20

    Commenting on a tasteless fact.
    As repulsive a class war post from you too, there are search and rescue boats involved in both and Canada and the US where the Titanic sub rescue is taking place is not even on the same continent as greece either
    Blimey, you're taking England's defeat pretty badly
    It is not a joking matter to joke about human beings trapped at the bottom of the ocean in a tin can with oxygen running out and what their families are going through any more than it would be about migrants at risk of drowning if their boat sank.

    You should be ashamed of yourself for that post
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,607
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Fishing said:

    The decline in the Scots Nats, if sustained, will also significantly reduce the chance of a hung Parliament, with all the weakness and instability that entails. Of course, getting rid of the Northern Irish would reduce it much further, as well as saving the English taxpayer a fortune, but sadly there is no hope of that at the moment.

    It's one of those things that a lot of people curiously regard as inevitable ('tis an island you know, so it's only right it be unified), but also seems far off given the glacified politics at play there.
    I fully expect Westminster to betray the DUP and Stormont at some point. Labour has never been keen on keeping NI, it was always the Tories to whom Unionism looked for support. Now the Tories are barking mad thanks to Brexit Purity and throwing NI to their more rabid supporters would probably be popular.

    They could say "Let's get rid of N.I. and save £millions per week and spend it on mortgage interest relief"

    It would look great on the side of a bus...
    Starmer has made clear he will campaign to keep NI in the UK and you can't throw people there who want to stay in the UK under the bus, for starters people in the North and Midlands and South are far more in need of mortgage interest relief in absolute numbers than NI.

    Brexit has been done and NI stayed in the UK, we will never betray our Protestant brothers in Ulster!
    More Nationalist than Unionist MPs elected in 2019.
    The Alliance were created as a soft Unionist party
    Now they are more progressive than conservative.
    They are not Nationalist
    When was the last election that Nationalists were elected to half of NI's seats?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,826

    Anyway, the real sporting event of the day, Scotland v Georgia.

    Absolutely torrential rain, they really should suspend play, what's that you say, 1-0, marvellous decision to soldier on..

    How are the Scotland fans dealing with playing a side with the cross of St George as their flag?
    Dragon on a bit now
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    tlg86 said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tasteless tweet from Polly Toynbee

    '@pollytoynbee
    Searching rather harder for five millionaires' missing sub than for small boats sinking with hundreds of families and children on board?'
    https://twitter.com/pollytoynbee/status/1671182571793686528?s=20

    Commenting on a tasteless fact.
    Is it a fact?

    https://twitter.com/Grandadgreg1/status/1671197115085729793

    Are they? Rescue op for the refugees was at least three days and included 6 coastguard vessels, a frigate, a military transport plane, an air force helicopter, several private vessels and a drone from the EU border protection agency, Frontex.

    And we knew where the Greece ship was at all times, and if we didn't specialised kit for finding stuff 4 kilometres down is a bit irrelevant to things on the surface, and the parties supplying SAR for the submarine are on the whole non-UK, commercial operations who are big and grown up enough to decide what to do with their own kit.

    This is Spartism at its finest, it's like watching a particularly fine production of Hamlet and saying yebbut what about the life expectancy of the average peasant in contemporary Denmark?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,607
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Fishing said:

    The decline in the Scots Nats, if sustained, will also significantly reduce the chance of a hung Parliament, with all the weakness and instability that entails. Of course, getting rid of the Northern Irish would reduce it much further, as well as saving the English taxpayer a fortune, but sadly there is no hope of that at the moment.

    It's one of those things that a lot of people curiously regard as inevitable ('tis an island you know, so it's only right it be unified), but also seems far off given the glacified politics at play there.
    I fully expect Westminster to betray the DUP and Stormont at some point. Labour has never been keen on keeping NI, it was always the Tories to whom Unionism looked for support. Now the Tories are barking mad thanks to Brexit Purity and throwing NI to their more rabid supporters would probably be popular.

    They could say "Let's get rid of N.I. and save £millions per week and spend it on mortgage interest relief"

    It would look great on the side of a bus...
    Starmer has made clear he will campaign to keep NI in the UK and you can't throw people there who want to stay in the UK under the bus, for starters people in the North and Midlands and South are far more in need of mortgage interest relief in absolute numbers than NI.

    Brexit has been done and NI stayed in the UK, we will never betray our Protestant brothers in Ulster!
    More Nationalist than Unionist MPs elected in 2019.
    The Alliance were created as a soft Unionist party
    Now they are more progressive than conservative.
    They are not Nationalist
    They are not Unionist either, they are "Other".
  • What it is about the Titanic richness of Schrodinger's submariners that makes it news?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,713

    Sandpit said:

    Whoever wins, this is a brilliant advert for Bazball and for Test circket. They said they wanted it to be entertaining and this has served that up in spades. Well done to both England and Australia.

    Absolutely, a fantastic advert for this form of the sport. Very well played by both teams, no matter what the result.
    Yawwwwnnnnn :lol:
    But someone threw a ball towards some sticks and then someone with a different stick sometimes hit the ball away from the sticks. Sometimes someone else threw the ball back at the original sticks.

    Based on that someone got some numbers.

    It's gripping.
  • agingjb2agingjb2 Posts: 112
    Great test match. Australia did remarkably well, at times they seemed beatable, they were not.

    But, I fear that the Ashes series is gone. England just have too many frailties against a better team. They came close this time, but lost. Not 5-0, but 3-1?

    Batsmen: plenty; fast bowlers: plenty; spinners? wicket keeper? you tell me.

    A test where the cheap dismissals of two or three great/very good batsmen, and where Root's late superb catch, failed to win the match tells us something.
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tasteless tweet from Polly Toynbee

    '@pollytoynbee
    Searching rather harder for five millionaires' missing sub than for small boats sinking with hundreds of families and children on board?'
    https://twitter.com/pollytoynbee/status/1671182571793686528?s=20

    Commenting on a tasteless fact.
    As repulsive a class war post from you too, there are search and rescue boats involved in both and Canada and the US where the Titanic sub rescue is taking place is not even on the same continent as greece either
    Blimey, you're taking England's defeat pretty badly
    It is not a joking matter to joke about human beings trapped at the bottom of the ocean in a tin can with oxygen running out and what their families are going through any more than it would be about migrants at risk of drowning if their boat sank.

    You should be ashamed of yourself for that post
    The thing imploded days ago.

    There's a debate to be had as to whether carbon fibre is reliable enough to make bicycle frames out of. Submersibles is just silly. We won't be finding this thing any time soon.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,175

    What it is about the Titanic richness of Schrodinger's submariners that makes it news?

    Tbh I think it's more the continuing ghoulish fascination with the Titanic rather than the wealth of the victims. There was loads of media fuss, more than over the migrant boat disaster, before we knew for sure who was on it.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,607

    What it is about the Titanic richness of Schrodinger's submariners that makes it news?

    Rose's Mum: "Will the lifeboats be seated according to class? I hope they're not too crowded."
    Rose: "Oh mother, shut up! Don't you understand? The water is freezing and there aren't enough boats. Not enough by half. Half the people on this ship are going to die."
    Cal Hockley: "Not the better half!"
  • agingjb2 said:

    Great test match. Australia did remarkably well, at times they seemed beatable, they were not.

    But, I fear that the Ashes series is gone. England just have too many frailties against a better team. They came close this time, but lost. Not 5-0, but 3-1?

    Batsmen: plenty; fast bowlers: plenty; spinners? wicket keeper? you tell me.

    A test where the cheap dismissals of two or three great/very good batsmen, and where Root's late superb catch, failed to win the match tells us something.

    We need a spin bowler with fingers

    If Ali wants to play again in this series then he needs to toughen his up with a red ball in county cricket for the next few weeks

    We can't carry him again
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    ydoethur said:

    What it is about the Titanic richness of Schrodinger's submariners that makes it news?

    Tbh I think it's more the continuing ghoulish fascination with the Titanic rather than the wealth of the victims. There was loads of media fuss, more than over the migrant boat disaster, before we knew for sure who was on it.
    Trapped and dying is a story which always sells. The Kursk sailors and the Copiapó miners were not billionaires.
  • CorrectHorseBatCorrectHorseBat Posts: 1,761
    I feel like they declared just a little early, can anyone explain why they chose to declare then?
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