Great test match. Australia did remarkably well, at times they seemed beatable, they were not.
But, I fear that the Ashes series is gone. England just have too many frailties against a better team. They came close this time, but lost. Not 5-0, but 3-1?
Batsmen: plenty; fast bowlers: plenty; spinners? wicket keeper? you tell me.
A test where the cheap dismissals of two or three great/very good batsmen, and where Root's late superb catch, failed to win the match tells us something.
To counter some comments above. This Engalnd team has repeatedly bowled sides out twice in the last year - they don’t really have an issue with the tail. In this game Pat Cummings was at 9 due to the night watchman. He’s pretty handy for a 9. Yes it’s disappointing to have lost. In 2005 we lost the first match after going hard at the Aussies. Then we came back harder and had the better of the next three matches, winning two and needing one more wicket in the other for the last four overs. I think it was pretty telling how the Aussies reacted to the win today. They knew it was a battle, and only just got over the line.
If we keep having flat pitches I think Anderson needs to be dropped for some pace. I also want Foakes back in, don’t care how.
Hopefully a great series. Four more close games would be great but if we lose them all 5-0 is shit to take.
There's a difference between making a respectable effort and making an all out effort to win. Labour will be doing the latter in Uxbridge, Selby and Rutherglen.
I agree that, in the heat of the moment, polls can shift by several percentage points very quickly, making a big error band compulsory for an event likely happening more that a year in the future. Whatever about GE1992, GE2017 barely feels like history, and people (ok, I) really thought TMay could win 400+ seats at the start.
There's a difference between making a respectable effort and making an all out effort to win. Labour will be doing the latter in Uxbridge, Selby and Rutherglen.
HYUFD doesn't understand what tactically standing a candidate is.
In 1997 Labour stood lots of candidates, like in Winchester. But they didn't ever really try.
As repulsive a class war post from you too, there are search and rescue boats involved in both and Canada and the US where the Titanic sub rescue is taking place is not even on the same continent as greece either
It is not a joking matter to joke about human beings trapped at the bottom of the ocean in a tin can with oxygen running out and what their families are going through any more than it would be about migrants at risk of drowning if their boat sank.
You should be ashamed of yourself for that post
The thing imploded days ago.
There's a debate to be had as to whether carbon fibre is reliable enough to make bicycle frames out of. Submersibles is just silly. We won't be finding this thing any time soon.
Mr Andrews: "I'm sorry that I didn't build you a stronger ship, young Rose."
Great test match. Australia did remarkably well, at times they seemed beatable, they were not.
But, I fear that the Ashes series is gone. England just have too many frailties against a better team. They came close this time, but lost. Not 5-0, but 3-1?
Batsmen: plenty; fast bowlers: plenty; spinners? wicket keeper? you tell me.
A test where the cheap dismissals of two or three great/very good batsmen, and where Root's late superb catch, failed to win the match tells us something.
We need a spin bowler with fingers
If Ali wants to play again in this series then he needs to toughen his up with a red ball in county cricket for the next few weeks
We can't carry him again
How? Warwickshire have one red ball match this weekend then nothing but T20 until 10th July. By that time the series is more than half over.
I feel like they declared just a little early, can anyone explain why they chose to declare then?
The declaration was not a problem. England always wanted to set a target that Australia had the possibility of chasing.
Given how few overs were left in the end, England needed that time to bowl out Australia - the only problem is that we didn't, not that they made the target.
I agree that, in the heat of the moment, polls can shift by several percentage points very quickly, making a big error band compulsory for an event likely happening more that a year in the future. Whatever about GE1992, GE2017 barely feels like history, and people (ok, I) really thought TMay could win 400+ seats at the start.
Lots of people got taken in by the initial polls including me. If the campaign had gone on for one more week CON would have lost.
I feel like they declared just a little early, can anyone explain why they chose to declare then?
They'd have hoped to eek out a couple of wickets in the fading light. I'm pretty relaxed about the declaration myself; it's in living memory that England were being berated for batting on too long as tail enders prodded the ball about at 0.25 an over.
I feel like they declared just a little early, can anyone explain why they chose to declare then?
They'd have hoped to eek out a couple of wickets in the fading light. I'm pretty relaxed about the declaration myself; it's in living memory that England were being berated for batting on too long as tail enders prodded the ball about at 0.25 an over.
Two more overs of Root hitting sixes might have made it more interesting
There's a difference between making a respectable effort and making an all out effort to win. Labour will be doing the latter in Uxbridge, Selby and Rutherglen.
HYUFD doesn't understand what tactically standing a candidate is.
In 1997 Labour stood lots of candidates, like in Winchester. But they didn't ever really try.
Labour were a clear second in Mid Beds in 2019 not the LDs, the fact they are already putting Labour posters up looks like they are not running just a paper candidate there now.
Somerton and Frome now up for another by election where the LDs were second in 2019 suggests Labour decided to maybe only run a paper candidate there
Well that was definitely worth £25 for a ticket at Edgbaston today. Just got off the shuttle bus from the ground. But why didn't Anderson bowl at the end?
Great test match. Australia did remarkably well, at times they seemed beatable, they were not.
But, I fear that the Ashes series is gone. England just have too many frailties against a better team. They came close this time, but lost. Not 5-0, but 3-1?
Batsmen: plenty; fast bowlers: plenty; spinners? wicket keeper? you tell me.
A test where the cheap dismissals of two or three great/very good batsmen, and where Root's late superb catch, failed to win the match tells us something.
Australia are definitely the better team - if we can run them relatively close it's an achievement. We're not going to keep their 3 best batters quiet in every test.
Well that was definitely worth £25 for a ticket at Edgbaston today. But why didn't Anderson bowl at the end?
I suppose the risk was swapping bowlers with less than 20 required might have resulted in a couple of looseners going for 4. Admittedly Anderson doesn't usually bowl many of those.
Ali's injury probably did for England more than anything.
Silly tweet from Polly. One has had no bearing on the other. Why would someone who normally shows such compassion want to sound so tasteless?
IIRC some quite serious surveillance assets and a number of ships are almost constantly deployed in the Channel in the small boat season.
It is quite probable that more effort is made on this - certainly more money spent* - than is being spent on the other side of the Atlantic, looking for the sub.
*including on Domino’s pizza for those pulled from the sea.
I do agree with this piece about how we react to politics and those entering politics makes it even worse than it already is, but unfortunately I don't see any solutions in the article, other than 'we must change this'.
I would like to add one more suggestion: the stigma attached to simply running for office. Somebody saying that they might want to have a run at being a politician, either as a councillor or an MP, is likely to be met with at least a raised eyebrow and often a stifled laugh.
Even worse is the suspicion that someone could only possibly be doing it for selfish reasons – for power, or money, or fame. In truth, politics offers little of all three...
When asked by a journalist recently whether I was looking to enter Parliament, I fudged an answer. Self-consciousness got the better of me as I played down the idea that I could possibly be presumptuous enough to run. But in truth, representing a community in Parliament and properly getting onto the field of British politics would be an honour. I’d love to run for office. And we need more people to harbour that ambition, not less... We are stuck in a doom loop. People think all politicians are bad so good people shouldn’t go into it. This is precisely the wrong logic – and if we don’t change, it’ll only get worse. https://www.cityam.com/id-love-to-be-an-mp-but-britain-is-still-too-ashamed-of-open-political-ambition/
Whoever wins, this is a brilliant advert for Bazball and for Test circket. They said they wanted it to be entertaining and this has served that up in spades. Well done to both England and Australia.
Absolutely, a fantastic advert for this form of the sport. Very well played by both teams, no matter what the result.
Yawwwwnnnnn
But someone threw a ball towards some sticks and then someone with a different stick sometimes hit the ball away from the sticks. Sometimes someone else threw the ball back at the original sticks.
Based on that someone got some numbers.
It's gripping.
Standard parliamentary sargeant-at-arms procedure in the time Dennis Skinner was involved?
There's a difference between making a respectable effort and making an all out effort to win. Labour will be doing the latter in Uxbridge, Selby and Rutherglen.
HYUFD doesn't understand what tactically standing a candidate is.
In 1997 Labour stood lots of candidates, like in Winchester. But they didn't ever really try.
HYUFD would want the Aussies to win the Ashes if it helped the Tories.
For once that old "yeah, he might be good at Napoli, would he fancy it on a rainy Tuesday night in Glasgow?" actually rings true. Georgia are refusing to play.
Lol. The indefatigable spirit of the Man of Steel not with them tonight.
The more I see of this Titanic submersible, the more stupid anyone getting into it seems.
Visiting a famous mass grave entombed in a sealed vehicle controlled by a games controller, with no real back up systems must surely sweep up the Darwin Awards this year.
For once that old "yeah, he might be good at Napoli, would he fancy it on a rainy Tuesday night in Glasgow?" actually rings true. Georgia are refusing to play.
Forfeit! If the ref is saying its good to play that should be that (though with football who knows how the rules might allow corrupt acts).
Remember that England Pakistan game when Pakistan decided to protest a decision they didn't like by not coming out at Tea, and so were deemed to have forfeited. Totally the correct decision, but they whinged about it for years. They'd come out afterwards, but it was too late, which was rather funny as it showed they were being very petty.
Just give it to him. People who have done far worse have got peerages in the past.
I feel the same way about Nadine Dorries and mystery woman Charlene Owen. I'm not a great fan of the honours system but there have been more egregious appointments in the recent past.
The more I see of this Titanic submersible, the more stupid anyone getting into it seems.
Visiting a famous mass grave entombed in a sealed vehicle controlled by a games controller, with no real back up systems must surely sweep up the Darwin Awards this year.
Assuming they don't survive, some good may come of it if people in the future decide NOT to visit the scene any more
There's a difference between making a respectable effort and making an all out effort to win. Labour will be doing the latter in Uxbridge, Selby and Rutherglen.
HYUFD doesn't understand what tactically standing a candidate is.
In 1997 Labour stood lots of candidates, like in Winchester. But they didn't ever really try.
Labour were a clear second in Mid Beds in 2019 not the LDs, the fact they are already putting Labour posters up looks like they are not running just a paper candidate there now.
Somerton and Frome now up for another by election where the LDs were second in 2019 suggests Labour decided to maybe only run a paper candidate there
Sigh. Several of these pictures are the same 2 places. You can see that can't you? So in a whole constituency they can't find a handful of sites so your argument they are putting up posters showing they aren't running a paper candidate is nonsense.
The more I see of this Titanic submersible, the more stupid anyone getting into it seems.
Visiting a famous mass grave entombed in a sealed vehicle controlled by a games controller, with no real back up systems must surely sweep up the Darwin Awards this year.
Just give it to him. People who have done far worse have got peerages in the past.
I feel the same way about Nadine Dorries and mystery woman Charlene Owen. I'm not a great fan of the honours system but there have been more egregious appointments in the recent past.
Dorries has made herself look particularly foolish by whinging about it, but despite an undistinguished career it is inarguable far less distinguished MPs have been so rewarded. It's a crapshoot as to who gets it - a lot of old duffers who never did anything at a ministerial level (but hopefully were good constituency MPs) get it. She lost out due to administrative incompetence and because she trusted Boris, not because she was an egregiously bad choice for peer.
The more I see of this Titanic submersible, the more stupid anyone getting into it seems.
Visiting a famous mass grave entombed in a sealed vehicle controlled by a games controller, with no real back up systems must surely sweep up the Darwin Awards this year.
Assuming they don't survive, some good may come of it if people in the future decide NOT to visit the scene any more
True pro grifter: come and visit the Titanic AND the site where the Titan sub met its end.
For once that old "yeah, he might be good at Napoli, would he fancy it on a rainy Tuesday night in Glasgow?" actually rings true. Georgia are refusing to play.
Lol. The indefatigable spirit of the Man of Steel not with them tonight.
Whoever wins, this is a brilliant advert for Bazball and for Test circket. They said they wanted it to be entertaining and this has served that up in spades. Well done to both England and Australia.
Absolutely, a fantastic advert for this form of the sport. Very well played by both teams, no matter what the result.
Yawwwwnnnnn
But someone threw a ball towards some sticks and then someone with a different stick sometimes hit the ball away from the sticks. Sometimes someone else threw the ball back at the original sticks.
The more I see of this Titanic submersible, the more stupid anyone getting into it seems.
Visiting a famous mass grave entombed in a sealed vehicle controlled by a games controller, with no real back up systems must surely sweep up the Darwin Awards this year.
With a history of communication problems (though I expect the poor customers did not know that)
What an outstanding exhibit for Test cricket being among the finest of sporting spectacles
I'm gutted we didn't win, but so excited for the rest of this series
Added my like here NOT because I know diddly-squat about it, but rather because PB commentary on this match is so interesting (though 99.46% beyond my ken).
And POSITIVE. Sounds like y'all really enjoyed it, despite England biting the Big Weenie (aka Agony of Defeat).
The more I see of this Titanic submersible, the more stupid anyone getting into it seems.
Visiting a famous mass grave entombed in a sealed vehicle controlled by a games controller, with no real back up systems must surely sweep up the Darwin Awards this year.
In the words of Abba, “Money, Money, Money”!
Stick a few tubes together, rig up a couple of directional propellers, profit!
Only flaw with the plan was getting in the thing yourself. Oops.
Just give it to him. People who have done far worse have got peerages in the past.
I feel the same way about Nadine Dorries and mystery woman Charlene Owen. I'm not a great fan of the honours system but there have been more egregious appointments in the recent past.
Dorries has made herself look particularly foolish by whinging about it, but despite an undistinguished career it is inarguable far less distinguished MPs have been so rewarded. It's a crapshoot as to who gets it - a lot of old duffers who never did anything at a ministerial level (but hopefully were good constituency MPs) get it. She lost out due to administrative incompetence and because she trusted Boris, not because she was an egregiously bad choice for peer.
Talking about Ms D, I haven't been paying attention to PB, but did anyone discuss this?
'The independent experts said Greenberg had failed to take into account the highly charged nature of the political dispute between the two and Dorries’ own history of aggressive tweeting.
It gave one example where Dorries tweeted she would “nail [a journalist’s] balls to the floor using [their] own front teeth” and another where she retweeted someone calling a journalist “an apologist for Islamic atrocities”.
The report said: “Political discourse, and in particular political opposition, can involve behaviour which, in a different context, would be regarded (at least) as offensive or insulting, and sometimes intimidating, without constituting an abuse or misuse of power. Opposition attacks and government counterattacks are commonly of that nature, in the chamber of the House of Commons and beyond.”'
The more I see of this Titanic submersible, the more stupid anyone getting into it seems.
Visiting a famous mass grave entombed in a sealed vehicle controlled by a games controller, with no real back up systems must surely sweep up the Darwin Awards this year.
Agree in general, but "games controller" seems a non-point - US military apparently uses the same thing to control periscopes and drones.
At a minimum they should have had a duplicate of the missing thing ready to send straight down to look for it.
An amazing Test match and defeat very hard to take. A superb knock by Cummins to win it for Australia. The tiresome debate about the declaration is exactly that: tiresome. I was at Edgbaston and it made sense as a value bet at the time. In the end it was a very close drop from Stokes that led to the Aussie victory.
I backed Australia when they were almost 9/1 but the victory hasn’t softened the blow.
There's a difference between making a respectable effort and making an all out effort to win. Labour will be doing the latter in Uxbridge, Selby and Rutherglen.
HYUFD doesn't understand what tactically standing a candidate is.
In 1997 Labour stood lots of candidates, like in Winchester. But they didn't ever really try.
Labour were a clear second in Mid Beds in 2019 not the LDs, the fact they are already putting Labour posters up looks like they are not running just a paper candidate there now.
Somerton and Frome now up for another by election where the LDs were second in 2019 suggests Labour decided to maybe only run a paper candidate there
Labour was a clear second in Shropshire North.
Labour was a clear second in Tiverton & Honiton.
No surprise to see Conservative supporters and sympathisers realising their only hope of holding the seat is to encourage the opposition parties to fight each other. No question of being able to hold the seat purely on the Government's record (no giggling in the cheap seats, please).
The more I see of this Titanic submersible, the more stupid anyone getting into it seems.
Visiting a famous mass grave entombed in a sealed vehicle controlled by a games controller, with no real back up systems must surely sweep up the Darwin Awards this year.
Agree in general, but "games controller" seems a non-point - US military apparently uses the same thing to control periscopes and drones.
At a minimum they should have had a duplicate of the missing thing ready to send straight down to look for it.
Not much good - you can't open the door and step across. And it puts more at risk, seeing as it is a duplicate ...
A smaller and longer duration drone to search out the emergency beacon would be something. But the lack of a beacon is not promising.
Does the sub not have a drop keel with manual release, at all? (Which would get it to the surface even in a power cut.)
The more I see of this Titanic submersible, the more stupid anyone getting into it seems.
Visiting a famous mass grave entombed in a sealed vehicle controlled by a games controller, with no real back up systems must surely sweep up the Darwin Awards this year.
In the words of Abba, “Money, Money, Money”!
Stick a few tubes together, rig up a couple of directional propellers, profit!
Only flaw with the plan was getting in the thing yourself. Oops.
Some years ago I treated a doctor who did death certificate work for a funeral company, and who got fatal injuries falling into an open grave.
At least his was an accident. These idiots deliberately got in.
There's a difference between making a respectable effort and making an all out effort to win. Labour will be doing the latter in Uxbridge, Selby and Rutherglen.
HYUFD doesn't understand what tactically standing a candidate is.
In 1997 Labour stood lots of candidates, like in Winchester. But they didn't ever really try.
Labour were a clear second in Mid Beds in 2019 not the LDs, the fact they are already putting Labour posters up looks like they are not running just a paper candidate there now.
Somerton and Frome now up for another by election where the LDs were second in 2019 suggests Labour decided to maybe only run a paper candidate there
Sigh. Several of these pictures are the same 2 places. You can see that can't you? So in a whole constituency they can't find a handful of sites so your argument they are putting up posters showing they aren't running a paper candidate is nonsense.
Oh really? Then why was Shadow Health Sec Wes Streeting also visiting Mid Beds a few days ago?
At the end of the day Starmer wants a Labour majority, not a repeat of 2010 for Cameron and a hung parliament and requiring the support of you LDs to govern.
He may give the LDs a clear run in seats you were second in 2019 to the Tories like Somerton and Frome. However if he wants a majority why would he give you a clear run in seats Labour were second to the Tories in 2019 like Mid Beds?
The more I see of this Titanic submersible, the more stupid anyone getting into it seems.
Visiting a famous mass grave entombed in a sealed vehicle controlled by a games controller, with no real back up systems must surely sweep up the Darwin Awards this year.
Assuming they don't survive, some good may come of it if people in the future decide NOT to visit the scene any more
One of the people in the submarine was an expert on the Titanic who's visited the site before to conduct important research.
Whoever wins, this is a brilliant advert for Bazball and for Test circket. They said they wanted it to be entertaining and this has served that up in spades. Well done to both England and Australia.
Absolutely, a fantastic advert for this form of the sport. Very well played by both teams, no matter what the result.
Yawwwwnnnnn
But someone threw a ball towards some sticks and then someone with a different stick sometimes hit the ball away from the sticks. Sometimes someone else threw the ball back at the original sticks.
Well that was definitely worth £25 for a ticket at Edgbaston today. Just got off the shuttle bus from the ground. But why didn't Anderson bowl at the end?
Glad you had a good day. (winces at the £170 I’ve paid to be at Lord’s next Wednesday).
Just give it to him. People who have done far worse have got peerages in the past.
I feel the same way about Nadine Dorries and mystery woman Charlene Owen. I'm not a great fan of the honours system but there have been more egregious appointments in the recent past.
Dorries has made herself look particularly foolish by whinging about it, but despite an undistinguished career it is inarguable far less distinguished MPs have been so rewarded. It's a crapshoot as to who gets it - a lot of old duffers who never did anything at a ministerial level (but hopefully were good constituency MPs) get it. She lost out due to administrative incompetence and because she trusted Boris, not because she was an egregiously bad choice for peer.
Talking about Ms D, I haven't been paying attention to PB, but did anyone discuss this?
'The independent experts said Greenberg had failed to take into account the highly charged nature of the political dispute between the two and Dorries’ own history of aggressive tweeting.
It gave one example where Dorries tweeted she would “nail [a journalist’s] balls to the floor using [their] own front teeth” and another where she retweeted someone calling a journalist “an apologist for Islamic atrocities”.
The report said: “Political discourse, and in particular political opposition, can involve behaviour which, in a different context, would be regarded (at least) as offensive or insulting, and sometimes intimidating, without constituting an abuse or misuse of power. Opposition attacks and government counterattacks are commonly of that nature, in the chamber of the House of Commons and beyond.”'
A sound and consistent decision. I'm a fan of respectful, if robust, discourse, but politics will touch upon the most important, passionate parts of public and private life, and you cannot wholly exclude that it will tip over into insult on occasion, without it being bullying.
I've always been conscious of some reasoning I was once provided cribbed from a legal case (no doubt in partial and misunderstood fasion, but nevermind) thusly in the context of political speech... the exclusion of “all emotive, non-rational expression from the coverage of the principle would be a mistake”. It would “often be hard to disentangle such expression from rational discourse” because “the most opprobrious insult may form part of an otherwise serious criticism of government or of a political figure”
...even if it were possible to separate the emotive content from the other parts of a particular publication, “it would be wrong to allow its proscription” because “if speakers could be punished each time they included a colourful, non-rational epithet in their publication or address, much valuable speech would be inhibited”. He concluded that “some margin should be allowed for invective and exaggeration, even if that means some apparently worthless comments are as fully protected as a carefully balanced argument.
The more I see of this Titanic submersible, the more stupid anyone getting into it seems.
Visiting a famous mass grave entombed in a sealed vehicle controlled by a games controller, with no real back up systems must surely sweep up the Darwin Awards this year.
Agree in general, but "games controller" seems a non-point - US military apparently uses the same thing to control periscopes and drones.
At a minimum they should have had a duplicate of the missing thing ready to send straight down to look for it.
Xbox and Xbox type controllers are becoming quite common as a control interface. Not just for military stuff either. It’s a standard that large numbers of people have trained themselves on to a very high level…
The backup should be dissimilar. Don’t want the same flaw etc…
Carbon fibre for pressure vessels has a complicated history. The connection to the titanium end caps would also be a weak spot.
As repulsive a class war post from you too, there are search and rescue boats involved in both and Canada and the US where the Titanic sub rescue is taking place is not even on the same continent as greece either
But the UK is [edit]. The UK is very definitely in Europe. It is not in Canada. Canada and Newfoundland aren't imperial dominions any more.
The reference is plainly to press and media coverage, however.
The more I see of this Titanic submersible, the more stupid anyone getting into it seems.
Visiting a famous mass grave entombed in a sealed vehicle controlled by a games controller, with no real back up systems must surely sweep up the Darwin Awards this year.
Assuming they don't survive, some good may come of it if people in the future decide NOT to visit the scene any more
One of the people in the submarine was an expert on the Titanic who's visited the site before to conduct important research.
This Tesco's Finest Swartland shiraz is absolutely disgusting and doesn't deserve even its 3.3 at Vivino. It was one of the few veggie shirazes the local Tesco's had, though. Vile.
^ An attempt to counterpoint the more usual PB post saying this wine I'm drinking is fandoozletastic and so is my Tesla, I'm so haaappy as the bon viveur that I am, and everyone likes me in the coolest bars in whatever world city I happen to be in, the current one having been rated as 14th best bar in the world for the availability of lovely HTG escorts if you're as cool as I am.
As repulsive a class war post from you too, there are search and rescue boats involved in both and Canada and the US where the Titanic sub rescue is taking place is not even on the same continent as greece either
But the UK is [edit]. The UK is very definitely in Europe. It is not in Canada. Canada and Newfoundland aren't imperial dominions any more.
The reference is plainly to press and media coverage, however.
Titanic sank off the coast of Newfoundland and the rescue teams for the sub are from Canada and the USA
There's a difference between making a respectable effort and making an all out effort to win. Labour will be doing the latter in Uxbridge, Selby and Rutherglen.
HYUFD doesn't understand what tactically standing a candidate is.
In 1997 Labour stood lots of candidates, like in Winchester. But they didn't ever really try.
Labour were a clear second in Mid Beds in 2019 not the LDs, the fact they are already putting Labour posters up looks like they are not running just a paper candidate there now.
Somerton and Frome now up for another by election where the LDs were second in 2019 suggests Labour decided to maybe only run a paper candidate there
Labour was a clear second in Shropshire North.
Labour was a clear second in Tiverton & Honiton.
No surprise to see Conservative supporters and sympathisers realising their only hope of holding the seat is to encourage the opposition parties to fight each other. No question of being able to hold the seat purely on the Government's record (no giggling in the cheap seats, please).
It is surprising to see people on left and right rely on pushing who was in clear second place when trying to argue who should be best placed and therefore how parties might or should fight such a seat. The recent history demonstrates very clearly it is more complex than that.
Well, not really surprising that it is used, but surprising we aren't expected to notice.
The more I see of this Titanic submersible, the more stupid anyone getting into it seems.
Visiting a famous mass grave entombed in a sealed vehicle controlled by a games controller, with no real back up systems must surely sweep up the Darwin Awards this year.
In the words of Abba, “Money, Money, Money”!
Stick a few tubes together, rig up a couple of directional propellers, profit!
Only flaw with the plan was getting in the thing yourself. Oops.
Some years ago I treated a doctor who did death certificate work for a funeral company, and who got fatal injuries falling into an open grave.
At least his was an accident. These idiots deliberately got in.
What? That seems an overly late stage in the whole cycle to be certifying death, or its absence.
We don't really know what has happened to this sub because of the bovine incuriosity of the journalists reporting on it. I have read that "there's no navigation down there because GPS doesn't work" as if inertial systems and indeed dead reckoning were not a thing, and that the thing sends a "ping" every 15 mins with no explanation of how it sends it. We don't even know if there's an umbilical and if not, why not.
One of the people in the submarine was an expert on the Titanic who's visited the site before to conduct important research.
It's sometimes hard to tell the difference between "important research" and looting
The rate of deterioration of shipwrecks is an interesting area of research. But it's not exactly a major contribution to maritime safety, any more than possible failure modes of dodgy rivets and dodgy plates in obsolete compositions.
Well that was definitely worth £25 for a ticket at Edgbaston today. Just got off the shuttle bus from the ground. But why didn't Anderson bowl at the end?
Glad you had a good day. (winces at the £170 I’ve paid to be at Lord’s next Wednesday).
AUS did really well and deserved the win but I think we can come back with the 1-1 next time so enjoy the game 👍
Whoever wins, this is a brilliant advert for Bazball and for Test circket. They said they wanted it to be entertaining and this has served that up in spades. Well done to both England and Australia.
Absolutely, a fantastic advert for this form of the sport. Very well played by both teams, no matter what the result.
Yawwwwnnnnn
But someone threw a ball towards some sticks and then someone with a different stick sometimes hit the ball away from the sticks. Sometimes someone else threw the ball back at the original sticks.
Based on that someone got some numbers.
It's gripping.
Moronic post. Piss off.
Zzzzzzzzz
If you don’t like the sport, nobody is making you watch it. Childish comments like the above are just ridiculous.
The more I see of this Titanic submersible, the more stupid anyone getting into it seems.
Visiting a famous mass grave entombed in a sealed vehicle controlled by a games controller, with no real back up systems must surely sweep up the Darwin Awards this year.
In the words of Abba, “Money, Money, Money”!
Stick a few tubes together, rig up a couple of directional propellers, profit!
Only flaw with the plan was getting in the thing yourself. Oops.
Some years ago I treated a doctor who did death certificate work for a funeral company, and who got fatal injuries falling into an open grave.
At least his was an accident. These idiots deliberately got in.
What? That seems an overly late stage in the whole cycle to be certifying death, or its absence.
We don't really know what has happened to this sub because of the bovine incuriosity of the journalists reporting on it. I have read that "there's no navigation down there because GPS doesn't work" as if inertial systems and indeed dead reckoning were not a thing, and that the thing sends a "ping" every 15 mins with no explanation of how it sends it. We don't even know if there's an umbilical and if not, why not.
You are [edit] an activist member of a political party which has tried to browbeat the RNLI, in the media and through ill-considered legislation, into NOT saving lives at sea.
Well that was definitely worth £25 for a ticket at Edgbaston today. Just got off the shuttle bus from the ground. But why didn't Anderson bowl at the end?
Glad you had a good day. (winces at the £170 I’ve paid to be at Lord’s next Wednesday).
AUS did really well and deserved the win but I think we can come back with the 1-1 next time so enjoy the game 👍
I admire your optimism, Pubman. I think we will need to make changes. Moeen won’t be fit so who so we spin? Is there a case for Foakes? If so, where does Bairstow go? Opener? 😃
Whoever wins, this is a brilliant advert for Bazball and for Test circket. They said they wanted it to be entertaining and this has served that up in spades. Well done to both England and Australia.
Absolutely, a fantastic advert for this form of the sport. Very well played by both teams, no matter what the result.
Yawwwwnnnnn
But someone threw a ball towards some sticks and then someone with a different stick sometimes hit the ball away from the sticks. Sometimes someone else threw the ball back at the original sticks.
Based on that someone got some numbers.
It's gripping.
Moronic post. Piss off.
Zzzzzzzzz
If you don’t like the sport, nobody is making you watch it. Childish comments like the above are just ridiculous.
If you don't like cash, nobody is making you use it.
Well that was definitely worth £25 for a ticket at Edgbaston today. Just got off the shuttle bus from the ground. But why didn't Anderson bowl at the end?
Glad you had a good day. (winces at the £170 I’ve paid to be at Lord’s next Wednesday).
AUS did really well and deserved the win but I think we can come back with the 1-1 next time so enjoy the game 👍
I admire your optimism, Pubman. I think we will need to make changes. Moeen won’t be fit so who so we spin? Is there a case for Foakes? If so, where does Bairstow go? Opener? 😃
Yes - in the Bazball era they want to go fast from the off, and in the last few years he's played so well he can probably transition.
Well that was definitely worth £25 for a ticket at Edgbaston today. Just got off the shuttle bus from the ground. But why didn't Anderson bowl at the end?
Glad you had a good day. (winces at the £170 I’ve paid to be at Lord’s next Wednesday).
AUS did really well and deserved the win but I think we can come back with the 1-1 next time so enjoy the game 👍
I admire your optimism, Pubman. I think we will need to make changes. Moeen won’t be fit so who so we spin? Is there a case for Foakes? If so, where does Bairstow go? Opener? 😃
Yes we need to make changes. I don't know much about spin. Does Foakes do spin in which case yes please. Foakes as an additional all rounder Bairstow to stay??
You are [edit] an activist member of a political party which has tried to browbeat the RNLI, in the media and through ill-considered legislation, into NOT saving lives at sea.
No, that was Farage. Priti Patel ultimately ensured the RNLI could not be prosecuted for rescuing migrants
The more I see of this Titanic submersible, the more stupid anyone getting into it seems.
Visiting a famous mass grave entombed in a sealed vehicle controlled by a games controller, with no real back up systems must surely sweep up the Darwin Awards this year.
Assuming they don't survive, some good may come of it if people in the future decide NOT to visit the scene any more
One of the people in the submarine was an expert on the Titanic who's visited the site before to conduct important research.
The only "research" you can do down there, is look at it out of the dunny window and take bad photos on your phone. Unless you want to link to a handful of his papers generated by his visits.
If you don't like what's on the TV, turn it off. Or don't have a TV set in the first place. I've never had one. Big part of how I can think for myself even given my advanced years.
And whatever you do, don't get your knickers in a twist over anyone's tweet.
Sure it's been revolting, this coverage of the poor billionaire who was serving the world as an "explorer" (give me a break) when he paid 10 years of a normal person's income to dive down and look at the wreck of the Titanic. (How 1990s!) But nobody has to follow this sh*t. Steel yourself and hit the turn it off button.
Whoever wins, this is a brilliant advert for Bazball and for Test circket. They said they wanted it to be entertaining and this has served that up in spades. Well done to both England and Australia.
Absolutely, a fantastic advert for this form of the sport. Very well played by both teams, no matter what the result.
Yawwwwnnnnn
But someone threw a ball towards some sticks and then someone with a different stick sometimes hit the ball away from the sticks. Sometimes someone else threw the ball back at the original sticks.
Based on that someone got some numbers.
It's gripping.
Moronic post. Piss off.
Zzzzzzzzz
If you don’t like the sport, nobody is making you watch it. Childish comments like the above are just ridiculous.
If you don't like cash, nobody is making you use it.
The more I see of this Titanic submersible, the more stupid anyone getting into it seems.
Visiting a famous mass grave entombed in a sealed vehicle controlled by a games controller, with no real back up systems must surely sweep up the Darwin Awards this year.
Assuming they don't survive, some good may come of it if people in the future decide NOT to visit the scene any more
One of the people in the submarine was an expert on the Titanic who's visited the site before to conduct important research.
The only "research" you can do down there, is look at it out of the dunny window and take bad photos on your phone. Unless you want to link to a handful of his papers generated by his visits.
One of the people in the submarine was an expert on the Titanic who's visited the site before to conduct important research.
It's sometimes hard to tell the difference between "important research" and looting
I have some suspicion that Indiana Jones isn't really a proper archaeological researcher...
"Archeology is the search for fact, not truth. If it's truth you're interested in, Dr. Tyree's philosophy class is right down the hall. So forget any ideas you've got about lost cities, exotic travel, and digging up the world. We do not follow maps to buried treasure, and X never, ever marks the spot. 70% of all archaeology is done in the library. Researching. Reading. We cannot afford to take mythology at face value."
Well that was definitely worth £25 for a ticket at Edgbaston today. Just got off the shuttle bus from the ground. But why didn't Anderson bowl at the end?
Glad you had a good day. (winces at the £170 I’ve paid to be at Lord’s next Wednesday).
AUS did really well and deserved the win but I think we can come back with the 1-1 next time so enjoy the game 👍
I admire your optimism, Pubman. I think we will need to make changes. Moeen won’t be fit so who so we spin? Is there a case for Foakes? If so, where does Bairstow go? Opener? 😃
Yes - in the Bazball era they want to go fast from the off, and in the last few years he's played so well he can probably transition.
Now you put it like that… It would be a radical and crazy but interesting and attacking move…
The more I see of this Titanic submersible, the more stupid anyone getting into it seems.
Visiting a famous mass grave entombed in a sealed vehicle controlled by a games controller, with no real back up systems must surely sweep up the Darwin Awards this year.
In the words of Abba, “Money, Money, Money”!
Stick a few tubes together, rig up a couple of directional propellers, profit!
Only flaw with the plan was getting in the thing yourself. Oops.
Some years ago I treated a doctor who did death certificate work for a funeral company, and who got fatal injuries falling into an open grave.
At least his was an accident. These idiots deliberately got in.
What? That seems an overly late stage in the whole cycle to be certifying death, or its absence.
We don't really know what has happened to this sub because of the bovine incuriosity of the journalists reporting on it. I have read that "there's no navigation down there because GPS doesn't work" as if inertial systems and indeed dead reckoning were not a thing, and that the thing sends a "ping" every 15 mins with no explanation of how it sends it. We don't even know if there's an umbilical and if not, why not.
Journalists and their editors are superficial. Shocker.
If you don't like what's on the TV, turn it off. Or don't have a TV set in the first place. I've never had one. Big part of how I can think for myself even given my advanced years.
And whatever you do, don't get your knickers in a twist over anyone's tweet.
Sure it's been revolting, this coverage of the poor billionaire who was serving the world as an "explorer" (give me a break) when he paid 10 years of a normal person's income to dive down and look at the wreck of the Titanic. (How 1990s!) But nobody has to follow this sh*t. Steel yourself and hit the turn it off button.
It says everything about you and the rest of the Left and how absolutely repulsive you can be that class war trumps everything even when those targeted have families fearing they may soon be dead.
Well that was definitely worth £25 for a ticket at Edgbaston today. Just got off the shuttle bus from the ground. But why didn't Anderson bowl at the end?
Glad you had a good day. (winces at the £170 I’ve paid to be at Lord’s next Wednesday).
AUS did really well and deserved the win but I think we can come back with the 1-1 next time so enjoy the game 👍
I admire your optimism, Pubman. I think we will need to make changes. Moeen won’t be fit so who so we spin? Is there a case for Foakes? If so, where does Bairstow go? Opener? 😃
Yes we need to make changes. I don't know much about spin. Does Foakes do spin in which case yes please. Foakes as an additional all rounder Bairstow to stay??
Foakes doesn’t spin as far as I know. Was thinking him with with the gloves? Bairstow missed a lot of chances in this Test.
Well that was definitely worth £25 for a ticket at Edgbaston today. Just got off the shuttle bus from the ground. But why didn't Anderson bowl at the end?
Glad you had a good day. (winces at the £170 I’ve paid to be at Lord’s next Wednesday).
AUS did really well and deserved the win but I think we can come back with the 1-1 next time so enjoy the game 👍
I admire your optimism, Pubman. I think we will need to make changes. Moeen won’t be fit so who so we spin? Is there a case for Foakes? If so, where does Bairstow go? Opener? 😃
Yes - in the Bazball era they want to go fast from the off, and in the last few years he's played so well he can probably transition.
Now you put it like that… It would be a radical and crazy but interesting and attacking move…
They won't do it. For all the great results and bold moves, changing their preferred team set up does not seem to be on the agenda.
If you don't like what's on the TV, turn it off. Or don't have a TV set in the first place. I've never had one. Big part of how I can think for myself even given my advanced years.
And whatever you do, don't get your knickers in a twist over anyone's tweet.
Sure it's been revolting, this coverage of the poor billionaire who was serving the world as an "explorer" (give me a break) when he paid 10 years of a normal person's income to dive down and look at the wreck of the Titanic. (How 1990s!) But nobody has to follow this sh*t. Steel yourself and hit the turn it off button.
I don't think it right to focus on the price of his trip. That's just a sunk cost fallacy.
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Yes it’s disappointing to have lost. In 2005 we lost the first match after going hard at the Aussies. Then we came back harder and had the better of the next three matches, winning two and needing one more wicket in the other for the last four overs.
I think it was pretty telling how the Aussies reacted to the win today. They knew it was a battle, and only just got over the line.
If we keep having flat pitches I think Anderson needs to be dropped for some pace. I also want Foakes back in, don’t care how.
Hopefully a great series. Four more close games would be great but if we lose them all 5-0 is shit to take.
In 1997 Labour stood lots of candidates, like in Winchester. But they didn't ever really try.
Given how few overs were left in the end, England needed that time to bowl out Australia - the only problem is that we didn't, not that they made the target.
It might not have been without the crazy declaration
Somerton and Frome now up for another by election where the LDs were second in 2019 suggests Labour decided to maybe only run a paper candidate there
Ali's injury probably did for England more than anything.
It is quite probable that more effort is made on this - certainly more money spent* - than is being spent on the other side of the Atlantic, looking for the sub.
*including on Domino’s pizza for those pulled from the sea.
I would like to add one more suggestion: the stigma attached to simply running for office. Somebody saying that they might want to have a run at being a politician, either as a councillor or an MP, is likely to be met with at least a raised eyebrow and often a stifled laugh.
Even worse is the suspicion that someone could only possibly be doing it for selfish reasons – for power, or money, or fame. In truth, politics offers little of all three...
When asked by a journalist recently whether I was looking to enter Parliament, I fudged an answer. Self-consciousness got the better of me as I played down the idea that I could possibly be presumptuous enough to run. But in truth, representing a community in Parliament and properly getting onto the field of British politics would be an honour. I’d love to run for office. And we need more people to harbour that ambition, not less...
We are stuck in a doom loop. People think all politicians are bad so good people shouldn’t go into it. This is precisely the wrong logic – and if we don’t change, it’ll only get worse.
https://www.cityam.com/id-love-to-be-an-mp-but-britain-is-still-too-ashamed-of-open-political-ambition/
Rubbish in, rubbish out.
now
The match official has decided to restart play at 9.30pm.
The match will restart from the sixth minute, with the score Scotland 1-0 Georgia.
The indefatigable spirit of the Man of Steel not with them tonight.
Visiting a famous mass grave entombed in a sealed vehicle controlled by a games controller, with no real back up systems must surely sweep up the Darwin Awards this year.
Edit: am I the only poster that supports Scotland at football and England at cricket?
Remember that England Pakistan game when Pakistan decided to protest a decision they didn't like by not coming out at Tea, and so were deemed to have forfeited. Totally the correct decision, but they whinged about it for years. They'd come out afterwards, but it was too late, which was rather funny as it showed they were being very petty.
Hate nearly always trumps compassion.
He'll be voting for leftie nationalists who want to break up the UK and depose the Prince of Wales next.
And POSITIVE. Sounds like y'all really enjoyed it, despite England biting the Big Weenie (aka Agony of Defeat).
Only flaw with the plan was getting in the thing yourself. Oops.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/20/snp-mp-john-nicolson-cleared-of-bullying-nadine-dorries-via-tweet
'The independent experts said Greenberg had failed to take into account the highly charged nature of the political dispute between the two and Dorries’ own history of aggressive tweeting.
It gave one example where Dorries tweeted she would “nail [a journalist’s] balls to the floor using [their] own front teeth” and another where she retweeted someone calling a journalist “an apologist for Islamic atrocities”.
The report said: “Political discourse, and in particular political opposition, can involve behaviour which, in a different context, would be regarded (at least) as offensive or insulting, and sometimes intimidating, without constituting an abuse or misuse of power. Opposition attacks and government counterattacks are commonly of that nature, in the chamber of the House of Commons and beyond.”'
At a minimum they should have had a duplicate of the missing thing ready to send straight down to look for it.
I backed Australia when they were almost 9/1 but the victory hasn’t softened the blow.
By the way, @Richard_Tyndall is exactly right.
Still think Australia will win the series fairly comfortably- because they are a better team overall. We missed a fit spinner badly.
Labour was a clear second in Tiverton & Honiton.
No surprise to see Conservative supporters and sympathisers realising their only hope of holding the seat is to encourage the opposition parties to fight each other. No question of being able to hold the seat purely on the Government's record (no giggling in the cheap seats, please).
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGeQKoGUstRAofJvqrsVtIqT--snAp3F2
"The Swedish Right’s moral panic over Russia
Dissident intellectuals are copying the Left
BY MALCOM KYEYUNE"
https://unherd.com/2023/06/the-swedish-rights-moral-panic-over-russia/
A smaller and longer duration drone to search out the emergency beacon would be something. But the lack of a beacon is not promising.
Does the sub not have a drop keel with manual release, at all? (Which would get it to the surface even in a power cut.)
At least his was an accident. These idiots deliberately got in.
https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1670147505944776707?s=20
At the end of the day Starmer wants a Labour majority, not a repeat of 2010 for Cameron and a hung parliament and requiring the support of you LDs to govern.
He may give the LDs a clear run in seats you were second in 2019 to the Tories like Somerton and Frome. However if he wants a majority why would he give you a clear run in seats Labour were second to the Tories in 2019 like Mid Beds?
I've always been conscious of some reasoning I was once provided cribbed from a legal case (no doubt in partial and misunderstood fasion, but nevermind) thusly
in the context of political speech... the exclusion of “all emotive, non-rational expression from the coverage of the principle would be a mistake”. It would “often be hard to disentangle such expression from rational discourse” because “the most opprobrious insult may form part of an otherwise serious criticism of government or of a political figure”
...even if it were possible to separate the emotive content from the other parts of a particular publication, “it would be wrong to allow its proscription” because “if speakers could be punished each time they included a colourful, non-rational epithet in their publication or address, much valuable speech would be inhibited”. He concluded that “some margin should be allowed for invective and exaggeration, even if that means some apparently worthless comments are as fully protected as a carefully balanced argument.
The backup should be dissimilar. Don’t want the same flaw etc…
Carbon fibre for pressure vessels has a complicated history. The connection to the titanium end caps would also be a weak spot.
The reference is plainly to press and media coverage, however.
^ An attempt to counterpoint the more usual PB post saying this wine I'm drinking is fandoozletastic and so is my Tesla, I'm so haaappy as the bon viveur that I am, and everyone likes me in the coolest bars in whatever world city I happen to be in, the current one having been rated as 14th best bar in the world for the availability of lovely HTG escorts if you're as cool as I am.
I think next Tory leader is more interesting
Anyone know the odds for Alex Chalk?
Well, not really surprising that it is used, but surprising we aren't expected to notice.
https://twitter.com/pollytoynbee/status/1671182571793686528?s=20
We don't really know what has happened to this sub because of the bovine incuriosity of the journalists reporting on it. I have read that "there's no navigation down there because GPS doesn't work" as if inertial systems and indeed dead reckoning were not a thing, and that the thing sends a "ping" every 15 mins with no explanation of how it sends it. We don't even know if there's an umbilical and if not, why not.
And whatever you do, don't get your knickers in a twist over anyone's tweet.
Sure it's been revolting, this coverage of the poor billionaire who was serving the world as an "explorer" (give me a break) when he paid 10 years of a normal person's income to dive down and look at the wreck of the Titanic. (How 1990s!) But nobody has to follow this sh*t. Steel yourself and hit the turn it off button.