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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999
    Ok, sometimes twitter comes through

  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    GIN1138 said:

    However John's harmonica playing is unique and cool...
    But check out “Hey Baby” by Bruce Chanel as the superior inspiration.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999
    edited May 2023
    Farooq said:

    Love love me do
    You know I love you
    I'll always be true
    So pleee e ee eeeeeeeeeese
    Love me do.


    There was no golden age. All sorts of criminally dumb songs are criminally popular in every age. Like the above effort. Only deranged people think that's any good.

    The only reason people think there was a golden age is because they got old and cynical. I cleverly avoided this trap by starting my cynicism at a very young age.

    Whoa-oh, love me do
    And only the good stuff sticks around (unless it is epically bad). The 'this time it is true' brigade are fooling themselves. No one's thought that one before?
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    There is a vast amount of good music. It is the cultural significance of pop music that is in decline. A brilliant album is now just something to listen to, it doesn't define your life in the way that music used to in the 90's and 00's. I've listened to two amazing albums this evening on spotify from the last few years but ultimately there is an endless supply of more stuff to listen to tomorrow.

    The one development that I dislike is the way that spotify tries to get you to listen to tracks rather than albums.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,658

    But check out “Hey Baby” by Bruce Chanel as the superior inspiration.
    Good point. "Rock n Roll" classic there!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,890
    edited May 2023

    The golden era of pop started in 1956.
    Heartbreak Hotel, January 56.

    I don’t know when it ended, I’d moot sometime in the mid 2000s, but I’m not sure when.

    Of course there is still good music being made (just as there was before 1956), but it no longer has the ability to deliver or embody widespread cultural change.

    1997/98 I'd say.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,481

    Someone ought to do a travelogue 'Britain's Best Dealers' or somesuch. A journey through the country's underworld (although I guess it might be able to do it in a very middle-class way).
    In the before times, I did a favour for one of the biggest weed dealers in the UK. Managed to get his son's Bush 'TV and Modem' connected up to his ISP.

    Without going into too many details, it was a very good deal from my point of view.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Leave you with this: two icons being glorious together, now passed.

    https://youtu.be/Of1HV4b0ccg
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    Farooq said:

    There was nothing special about the 1950s. Musical movements come and go. Some of them inspire me, others don't. That mid-50s to mid-60s era is crap in my book. Ragtime, jazz, ye olde blues were all better. The psychedelia that came later was great. Punk and funk were highlights. Things went pretty awful in the 80s and bounced back a bit in the 90s. I don't see a golden era in all that, just the tide coming in and out depending on whether it tickles my fancy or not. And your Elvises and early Beatleses tickle no fancies in Farooq Towers.
    Whatever your personal feelings (since all art is to some extent subjective), you are ignoring the revolutionary cultural impact of Elvis, Beatles, Dylan, Punk etc.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,298
    kle4 said:

    Ok, sometimes twitter comes through

    I was about to post what a rubbish post it is to say the earth has never produced a single drop of alcohol, but the 'Jesus converted water into wine' is such a better put down.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729
    Leon said:

    I explore all the time, believe me. The sensation of discovering a great new sound is addictive, and it still occasionally happens

    But it is now NOT happening to an extent where I believe there has been a discernible decline, and this tendency is firming not slowing

    It doesn't really matter in the wider scheme. There was a marvellous period of continuous brilliance in the West, the Golden age of western pop music - 1960-2010. Great for us, we got lucky, but for our kids? Soz

    But this is not unexpected. It is just the same as the Italian Renaissance which shone for about 200-250 years or the Chinese peak in porcelain which lasted for a couple of generations or the great era of opera which lasted about a century or.... and so on, and so on. Art forms rise and fall. This is a known thing. It is happening to us. Other art forms will - we hope - rise and replace "popular music"

    That is my take. Others are available

    There was great listenable pop music as far back as the beginning of electrical recording in the 20s, which is recognisably in the same spectrum as the (acoustic) pop of nowadays. More people bought it in the 1960s, but that's a function of technology and economics, and not necessarily of how many people heard it - they went to dances with live bands, played it on their pianos, or listened on the wireless.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,617
    Andy_JS said:

    1997/98 I'd say.
    There was an enjoyable series on BBC4 recently with a 'best of TOTP' from each year of the 90s. The decline - sudden, then abrupt - in enjoyability over the course of the series was quite depressing.
    Now, I like indie, and 1990 for me was about peak indie; I was less enthused by Britpop (1995) than Baggy (1990), but the early 90s were generally pretty good. But then, as you say, after about 97, a crash.

    That said, 2002-2010 was actually also pretty good for indie. I'd place the end of the golden period about 2010.

    Though I stick to the view that the absolute pinnacle of pop's golden era was 1977-1984.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999
    edited May 2023
    kjh said:

    I was about to post what a rubbish post it is to say the earth has never produced a single drop of alcohol, but the 'Jesus converted water into wine' is such a better put down.
    Yes, but who could know that


    I looked up the story in curiosity, and apparently Jesus did it because his mum nagged him at a wedding as the guests were about to run dry. Not sure on the motivation, but still a good miracle and understandably a more popular message than 'alcohol is evil' from Mr Shuttlesworth.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,000
    They've got Desantis to co-host now lol.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,000
    Caitlyn Jenner and Rudy Giullini in the audience.
  • CorrectHorseBatCorrectHorseBat Posts: 1,761
    Rishi lead in the Blue Wall
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,000
    And it's dead.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,757
    Farooq said:

    The Blue Wall? The presidential election? Music?
    Apparently Ron DeSantis hasn't had a hit since he did "Simply The Best" in 1988.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999
    Farooq said:

    The Blue Wall? The presidential election? Music?
    BBC
    The line is completely quiet now as we assume the Twitter team is busily working to fix things on their end.

    We just heard Musk say things were back working again, but it's once again radio silence.


    Just before the launch of the Twitter Spaces room, Ron DeSantis published his campaign video on his account.

    "I’m Ron DeSantis, and I'm running for president to lead our great American comeback."

    These are the final words uttered by DeSantis in a short one-minute video posted minutes ago.

    In the video, he echoed much of the common conservative rhetoric that has elevated him to the national stage.

    He described a "disastrous" border, "crime infested" cities, and liberal "indoctrination" by the left as the prevailing perils against America, and has positioned himself as the cure.


    Just stellar guys, Trump will have a field day.

    Is DeSantis just banking on Trump being taken out legally or something (hoping someone else will defeat him has been the GOP strategy every time and never works), as I still don't see what he is offering that Trump would not also offer for someone in the GOP base.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,925
    GIN1138 said:

    However John's harmonica playing is unique and cool...
    It was also their debut single and reached Number One in the US. Trivia question: who was the next British band to achieve that exact same feat?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,617
    dixiedean said:

    Bob Dylan hasn't either.
    But Joe Dolce has.
    Go figure.
    I suspect Bob Dylan has made more money from pop music over the course of his career than Joe Dolce.

    Even - especially - in the golden age of singles, #1s were often pretty eccentric choices. Even the real big sellers: Bohemian Rhapsody is a very, very strange song; Mull of Kintyre a rather odd bit of cod-folk with bagpipes.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,298
    kle4 said:

    Broadly true perhaps, though I can think of one source of even more unpredictable anecdotes...
    Doesn't he count as multiple sources?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,757

    It was also their debut single and reached Number One in the US. Trivia question: who was the next British band to achieve that exact same feat?
    Spice girls? Steps?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Ghedebrav said:

    Leave you with this: two icons being glorious together, now passed.

    https://youtu.be/Of1HV4b0ccg

    One thing about Tina Turner, like Bowie, is she was unquestionably a star. Surprised she didn't do a few more films after Mad Max. Hate to agree with Sarah Vine but Private Dancer is a very under-rated song. A couple of the early ones with Ike - A Fool In Love and I Think It's Gonna Work Out Fine are worth re-discovery and many thought River Deep Mountain High was the high point of Phil Spector's career.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMK6q6M6zP4
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,925
    Cookie said:

    I suspect Bob Dylan has made more money from pop music over the course of his career than Joe Dolce.

    Even - especially - in the golden age of singles, #1s were often pretty eccentric choices. Even the real big sellers: Bohemian Rhapsody is a very, very strange song; Mull of Kintyre a rather odd bit of cod-folk with bagpipes.
    And let's not forget the last Number One of the 1960s and first Number One of the 1970s. Step forward Rolf Harris with Two Little Boys.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999
    kjh said:

    Doesn't he count as multiple sources?
    Not the one(s) I was thinking of
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,554
    Ghedebrav said:

    For most people good new music ends around 33.

    So Rachmaninov's Rhapsody on a theme of Paganini is ok (1932) but Barber's Adagio for Strings (1934) is not?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    kle4 said:

    BBC
    The line is completely quiet now as we assume the Twitter team is busily working to fix things on their end.

    We just heard Musk say things were back working again, but it's once again radio silence.


    Just before the launch of the Twitter Spaces room, Ron DeSantis published his campaign video on his account.

    "I’m Ron DeSantis, and I'm running for president to lead our great American comeback."

    These are the final words uttered by DeSantis in a short one-minute video posted minutes ago.

    In the video, he echoed much of the common conservative rhetoric that has elevated him to the national stage.

    He described a "disastrous" border, "crime infested" cities, and liberal "indoctrination" by the left as the prevailing perils against America, and has positioned himself as the cure.


    Just stellar guys, Trump will have a field day.

    Is DeSantis just banking on Trump being taken out legally or something (hoping someone else will defeat him has been the GOP strategy every time and never works), as I still don't see what he is offering that Trump would not also offer for someone in the GOP base.
    That's the whole freaking point, dude - DeSantis is Trump without the Trump.

    > Trump Light?
    > Thinking patriot's/wingnut's Trump?
    > Trump for the Trump-fatigued?
    > All of the above!
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,925
    viewcode said:

    Spice girls? Steps?
    Actually far worse (if that's possible).
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,118
    edited May 2023
    kle4 said:

    ...

    Is DeSantis just banking on Trump being taken out legally or something (hoping someone else will defeat him has been the GOP strategy every time and never works), as I still don't see what he is offering that Trump would not also offer for someone in the GOP base.
    There are two strategies for Republican hopefuls. We might call these strategies the "Prince Harry" and the "Cicada".

    In the Cicada strategy our Republican hopeful goes to ground, to emerge some years into the future when Trump has passed from the scene.

    The Prince Harry strategy is to line oneself up as the spare so that, if anything untoward were to happen to Trump which took him out of the running, they would be the obvious next in line. RDS has chosen to play Prince Harry.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,658

    It was also their debut single and reached Number One in the US. Trivia question: who was the next British band to achieve that exact same feat?
    Hmmmm..

    I'll have a guess at The Rolling Stones (but if it's a trick question it might be someone like The Searchers) but I'll stick with The Stones...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,123
    Leon said:

    Where is the equivalent - post, say, 2010 - of a pop song as exquisite, delicate and moving as "At 17"? It does not exist
    One person from the post-2010 era who probably does qualify as having a genuine cultural significance is Lana Del Rey:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE6wxDqdOV0
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729
    Pop music in the 1900s (decade) WAS a bit rubbish, lots of ethnic prejudice and stereotyping, and lots of nonsense. And prior to the mid-20s, all recorded songs had to be shouted and blasted into the recorder, so Louis Armstrong and Bing Crosby were in part lucky to flourish when the technology was there to capture their artistry. (Crosby gave back in spades to music tech when he invested the seed capital for commercial tape recording.)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,123
    GIN1138 said:

    Hmmmm..

    I'll have a guess at The Rolling Stones (but if it's a trick question it might be someone like The Searchers) but I'll stick with The Stones...
    It's the Spice Girls, isn't it?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,658
    edited May 2023

    It's the Spice Girls, isn't it?
    Ah, yes, on their debut release. I missed that part. Yes it will probably be the Spice Girls :(
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999

    That's the whole freaking point, dude - DeSantis is Trump without the Trump.

    > Trump Light?
    > Thinking patriot's/wingnut's Trump?
    > Trump for the Trump-fatigued?
    > All of the above!
    Is that a big market, if Trump is still a viable option though? I'd get the idea of "I like Trump, but he's not going to win like Big Ronny will", but it seems like people have soured on the idea that DeSantis is more likely to win now.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,925
    GIN1138 said:

    Ah, yes, on their debut release. I missed that part. Yes it will probably be the Spice Girls :(
    I'm off to bed so don't want to give anyone sleepless nights puzzling over it. It was, apparently, Right Said Fred and 'I'm Too Sexy'.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,658

    I'm off to bed so don't want to give anyone sleepless nights puzzling over it. It was, apparently, Right Said Fred and 'I'm Too Sexy'.
    The anti-vaxxers got to Number 1 in USA with their debut single??? 😭
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729

    I'm off to bed so don't want to give anyone sleepless nights puzzling over it. It was, apparently, Right Said Fred and 'I'm Too Sexy'.
    I thought it would have been Freddie and the Dreamers, but apparently they released a minor single prior to their US Number One.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,757

    Actually far worse (if that's possible).
    I know it's not S Club 7. Hmmm. Terrible British bands whose debut was US#1. Gary Glitter? Buggles? Liberty X (although I do like the latter two). Kinks, the Who, not terrible. Numan didn't #1 with his debut. Wham, Pet Shop Boys, Depeche Mode not terrible. Sade, Tanita Tikaram, the Eurythmics, not terrible. Five Star? Take That? Hopefully not McFly/Busted. Not Blur, Oasis, Pulp.

    Ok, give up. Who?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,757
    viewcode said:

    I know it's not S Club 7. Hmmm. Terrible British bands whose debut was US#1. Gary Glitter? Buggles? Liberty X (although I do like the latter two). Kinks, the Who, not terrible. Numan didn't #1 with his debut. Wham, Pet Shop Boys, Depeche Mode not terrible. Sade, Tanita Tikaram, the Eurythmics, not terrible. Five Star? Take That? Hopefully not McFly/Busted. Not Blur, Oasis, Pulp.

    Ok, give up. Who?
    Right Said Fred? Oh, for Gawds sake. "I'm too antivaxx for my shirt, so seropositive it hurts?" There is no justice... ☹️
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    kle4 said:

    Is that a big market, if Trump is still a viable option though? I'd get the idea of "I like Trump, but he's not going to win like Big Ronny will", but it seems like people have soured on the idea that DeSantis is more likely to win now.
    Yes indeedy it's a big market. BTW my 3rd bullet point should have read "Trump for the Trump-fatigued Trumpite"

    Plenty of conservative Republicans and leaners, from center-right to flaming-fascist, support Trump's politics, program and ideology (such as they be) to considerable degree BUT nevertheless have serious doubts about Trump's ability to deliver.

    Being able to deliver on what Trump promises, is THE basic argument for DeSantis over Trump in 2024.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,123

    I'm off to bed so don't want to give anyone sleepless nights puzzling over it. It was, apparently, Right Said Fred and 'I'm Too Sexy'.
    I found the relevant Wikipedia page and it looks like there might be an even more bizarre answer. The New Vaudeville Band had a number one in 1966 with Winchester Cathedral. I'd never heard of it before and I can't see how it was ever a big hit:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GcPYzYYM9M

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Billboard_Hot_100_number-ones_by_British_artists
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729
    Wiki says Peter and Gordon's debut single was "A World Without Love" (Lennon-McCartney), which was a Number One on Billboard a few months after "Can't Buy Me Love".
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999
    edited May 2023
    So cringey - please tell us more about Twitter, the boss is watching.

    The first question to DeSantis after his scripted opening pitch comes from the host, David Sacks.

    He asks DeSantis why he chose to make his announcement over Twitter Spaces instead of a more conventional route, like cable news or a rally.


    This is pretty funny though.

    "Twitter was expensive but free speech is priceless," [Musk] says, about his purchase of the tech platform after DeSantis compliments him on buying it.

    That must be why he tried to pull out of the deal entirely, either because he didn't want to buy it, or as a tactic to bargain down the price, which didn't work. Genius.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65676382
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,890
    edited May 2023
    Cookie said:

    There was an enjoyable series on BBC4 recently with a 'best of TOTP' from each year of the 90s. The decline - sudden, then abrupt - in enjoyability over the course of the series was quite depressing.
    Now, I like indie, and 1990 for me was about peak indie; I was less enthused by Britpop (1995) than Baggy (1990), but the early 90s were generally pretty good. But then, as you say, after about 97, a crash.

    That said, 2002-2010 was actually also pretty good for indie. I'd place the end of the golden period about 2010.

    Though I stick to the view that the absolute pinnacle of pop's golden era was 1977-1984.
    I've paid almost no attention to pop music since about 1998, so when someone says there was good music around in 2010 I won't know what they're talking about. Very stupid of me, because you obviously can't make assumptions about music from a particular period without actually listening to it.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    kle4 said:

    So cringey - please tell us more about Twitter, the boss is watching.

    The first question to DeSantis after his scripted opening pitch comes from the host, David Sacks.

    He asks DeSantis why he chose to make his announcement over Twitter Spaces instead of a more conventional route, like cable news or a rally.


    This is pretty funny though.

    "Twitter was expensive but free speech is priceless," [Musk] says, about his purchase of the tech platform after DeSantis compliments him on buying it.

    That must be why he tried to pull out of the deal entirely, either because he didn't want to buy it, or as a tactic to bargain down the price, which didn't work. Genius.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65676382

    IMHO you are being entirely toooooo LOGICAL in evaluating the RDS POTUS Launch & Twit-Fest.

    Put yourself in the mindset of a conservative GOPer who likes Trump but harbors doubts and/or wants to move on.

    Then go soak yer head!
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729
    You could say that The Beatles were "a band" and Peter and Gordon were "a group", but at the time, I think The Beatles were seen as "a group" - or more famously as a popular beat combo - whereas "a band" was something like the Count Basie Orchestra.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,617
    Farooq said:

    This being part of that "golden age" people talking about :smirk:
    To be honest, I have happy memories of that song. Stockport County had just been promoted from the old fourth division and in the first game of the season, under joyful Autumn sunshine, after the third goal against Swansea went in, the cry went up: "we're too sexy for the third".
    And later that month it was played on the juke box in the rugby club by someone's little sister 14 times in a row.
    For what it was, it was a decent pop song.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    Surely the Beatles were a “beat combo”, as in “a popular beat combo, m’lud.”
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,658
    EPG said:

    Wiki says Peter and Gordon's debut single was "A World Without Love" (Lennon-McCartney), which was a Number One on Billboard a few months after "Can't Buy Me Love".

    We'll claim that one, we'll claim that one. Much better than the nut job, conspiracy theory, anti-vaxx loons RSF.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999
    edited May 2023

    IMHO you are being entirely toooooo LOGICAL in evaluating the RDS POTUS Launch & Twit-Fest.

    Put yourself in the mindset of a conservative GOPer who likes Trump but harbors doubts and/or wants to move on.

    Then go soak yer head!
    I'm sure the audience love it, but I think Musk thinks entirely enough of himself without people sucking his dick about the purchase of a platform he no longer wanted, or wanted but was not as smart as he thought he was and couldn't get a lower price out of it.

    I'm not expecting DeSantis of all people to point out the 'its priceless' line was laughable, but we can!

    Musk does remind of Trump somewhat in that I think he genuinely believes whatever he is saying at any given moment, even the stuff which is contradicting other things he has said, and he believes anything he reads. Really he should be the one running, but sadly that's not a possibility even if he were inclined (and a super billionaire wouldn't be).
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,890
    Thanks to whoever posted thet Janis Ian video earlier today. Never heard that song before but it's fantastic.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    kle4 said:

    I'm sure the audience love it, but I think Musk thinks entirely enough of himself without people sucking his dick about the purchase of a platform he no longer wanted, or wanted but was not as smart as he thought he was and couldn't get a lower price out of it.

    I'm not expecting DeSantis of all people to point out the 'its priceless' line was laughable, but we can!

    Musk does remind of Trump somewhat in that I think he genuinely believes whatever he is saying at any given moment, even the stuff which is contradicting other things he has said, and he believes anything he reads. Really he should be the one running, but sadly that's not a possibility even if he were inclined (and a super billionaire wouldn't be).
    Point re: Musk & Twitter for DeSantis, Trump and fellow rightwingers, is that Musk turned Twitter from part of the left-wing media conspiracy (in their view) into a force for right (in more ways than one).
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729
    Farooq said:

    "Dance with Me", Reginald Bosanquet (1980)
    "The Birdie Song", The Tweets (1981)
    "Ebony and Ivory", Paul McCartney featuring Stevie Wonder (1982)
    "True", Spandau Ballet (1983)
    "Agadoo", Black Lace (1984)
    It turns out that when the birth rate peaks, as in 46 or 66, there's a big market in saying that music for teenagers was at its peak quality around 13-19 years later.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Andy_JS said:

    Thanks to whoever posted thet Janis Ian video earlier today. Never heard that song before but it's fantastic.

    I can remember just what a HUGE hit this song - and it's writer - were when it first came out.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_Seventeen
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,415
    Farooq said:

    "Dance with Me", Reginald Bosanquet (1980)
    "The Birdie Song", The Tweets (1981)
    "Ebony and Ivory", Paul McCartney featuring Stevie Wonder (1982)
    "True", Spandau Ballet (1983)
    "Agadoo", Black Lace (1984)
    There is still much good music around, these days however you need to avoid looking at music put out by record labels and go to the self publishers and smaller labels.

    Also look outside your geographic area
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,000
    Farooq said:

    "Dance with Me", Reginald Bosanquet (1980)
    "The Birdie Song", The Tweets (1981)
    "Ebony and Ivory", Paul McCartney featuring Stevie Wonder (1982)
    "True", Spandau Ballet (1983)
    "Agadoo", Black Lace (1984)
    Not a Tony Hadley fan I take it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,890
    Farooq said:

    "Dance with Me", Reginald Bosanquet (1980)
    "The Birdie Song", The Tweets (1981)
    "Ebony and Ivory", Paul McCartney featuring Stevie Wonder (1982)
    "True", Spandau Ballet (1983)
    "Agadoo", Black Lace (1984)
    On the other hand, you have for example Japan's 1981 album "Tin Drum".
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,640
    edited May 2023
    kle4 said:

    So cringey - please tell us more about Twitter, the boss is watching.

    The first question to DeSantis after his scripted opening pitch comes from the host, David Sacks.

    He asks DeSantis why he chose to make his announcement over Twitter Spaces instead of a more conventional route, like cable news or a rally.


    This is pretty funny though.

    "Twitter was expensive but free speech is priceless," [Musk] says, about his purchase of the tech platform after DeSantis compliments him on buying it.

    That must be why he tried to pull out of the deal entirely, either because he didn't want to buy it, or as a tactic to bargain down the price, which didn't work. Genius.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65676382

    Musk sacked 80 per cent of Twitter staff and it still worked perfectly. Well, not quite perfectly, as shown tonight, but a nod's as good as a wink to a Twitter outage.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,640
    Patients to get choice of five hospitals under Sunak pledge
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/25/nhs-app-choice-five-hospitals-waiting-lists-virtual-wards/ (£££)

    SKS fans, please explain.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,415

    Patients to get choice of five hospitals under Sunak pledge
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/25/nhs-app-choice-five-hospitals-waiting-lists-virtual-wards/ (£££)

    SKS fans, please explain.

    The who do you want to malpractise you choice?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,640

    Patients to get choice of five hospitals under Sunak pledge
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/25/nhs-app-choice-five-hospitals-waiting-lists-virtual-wards/ (£££)

    SKS fans, please explain.

    Compare and contrast the government's shiny new policy to cut waiting lists by giving patients a choice of hospitals, with Labour's tired, 3-day old policy to cut waiting lists by giving patients a choice of hospitals.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65663464
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,000
    1991 looks to me to have been an astonishingly strong year for albums

    https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/albums_by_year/albums_1991.html
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,716
    On topic, I agree with Mike. She played the Trump era pretty cannily, avoided getting in fights with him but managed to get through it untarnished, and the calendar is pretty helpful to her.

    Two reservations:
    1) Total absence of any sign of enthusiasm for her in the polling, OTOH they don't seem to hate her either, and it's pretty common for primary winners to have a period when they're polling next to nothing.
    2) For now she seems to be going with the "don't criticize the front-runner" strategy that I'm sure is a loser no matter how much the base love the front-runner. But there's still time to change that.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,967
    Whilst you’ve all been going Pop, I’ve noted Gilt yields now at Truss mini budget levels.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,640
    edited May 2023

    Whilst you’ve all been going Pop, I’ve noted Gilt yields now at Truss mini budget levels.

    I've noticed my savings dropped by 5 per cent yesterday.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    Nikki Haley is a talented telegenic candidate. But the base is unhinged and wants red meat in the culture war.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    Musk sacked 80 per cent of Twitter staff and it still worked perfectly. Well, not quite perfectly, as shown tonight, but a nod's as good as a wink to a Twitter outage.
    Musk is currently censoring mention of the opposition in Turkey. He doesn't give a damn about free speech. Usual right wing lies.
  • DoubleCarpetDoubleCarpet Posts: 928
    edited May 2023
    Pulpstar said:

    1991 looks to me to have been an astonishingly strong year for albums

    https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/albums_by_year/albums_1991.html

    That looks like quite a good site, haven't seen that one before.

    So I have 15 albums from the 1991 list and 6 from the 2022 list.

    Have thirteen albums from 2023 to date, top 5 so far are Lana Del Rey, Freya Ridings, Boygenius, Gabrielle Aplin and Jessie Ware - looking forward to new albums from Arlo Parks (out tomorrow), Noel Gallagher, Maisie Peters, The Japanese House, Blur, and Jorja Smith.

    Currently listening to the Talking Heads albums for the first time :smile:
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    Well the DeSantis annoucement was distinctly low-key. 500k people listening on an audio platform managed to break Twitter, and doing it in a studio with no audience made the candidate sound even more flat than usual. He needs some serious media training, if he’s to come across as more enthusiastic and confident.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,294
    Good morning, everyone.

    For the record, Mr. JohnL, I am not Yevgeny Prigozhin.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,046

    That looks like quite a good site, haven't seen that one before.

    So I have 15 albums from the 1991 list and 6 from the 2022 list.

    Have thirteen albums from 2023 to date, top 5 so far are Lana Del Rey, Freya Ridings, Boygenius, Gabrielle Aplin and Jessie Ware - looking forward to new albums from Arlo Parks (out tomorrow), Noel Gallagher, Maisie Peters, The Japanese House, Blur, and Jorja Smith.

    Currently listening to the Talking Heads albums for the first time :smile:
    That's the first time anyone has specified any new artists! Thanks.

    I don't know any of them, I don't think. Except Noel Gallagher.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,817
    edited May 2023
    Leon said:

    This is bloody absurd

    He won


    The Northen indy referendum
    The campaign against the euro
    The EU referendum
    The 2019 election which, with its big Boris majority, confirmed Brexit
    To run through these in turn:

    He worked on the North East Assembly referendum campaign for two days and came up with one slogan. The think tank he was running as part of it went bankrupt six months later because it could get no work.

    He had nothing to do with the campaign against the Euro. That was Brown.

    The EU referendum, again, he came up with one slogan. It was wrong.

    For the 2019 election, he came up with a number of slogans but not a single policy that has been successfully implemented.

    While chief of staff, he made innumerable embarrassing mistakes including stealing a phone, breaking lockdown, misunderstanding recruitment procedures and constantly leaking misinformation about himself to the press.

    And that’s even before I get on to his failed commercial ventures or the disasters he wrought at the DfE.

    He claims a much bigger role for himself than he had in all of these things I’m not sure whether that’s dishonesty or whether his self-delusion genuinely extends to the ability to rewrite his past to make himself seem more brilliant.

    The issue is he’s not that bright, but he puts out propaganda claiming he is. Unfortunately Gove and Johnson were taken in by it.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,817
    edited May 2023
    Ship grounded in Suez Canal now refloated https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65705317

    Ugh. That’s going to cause problems even though the Egyptians seem to have acted pretty fast.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,294
    OT but this is great gaming news, with the trailer for Dragon's Dogma 2:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpNpF3KkucY
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,858

    Musk sacked 80 per cent of Twitter staff and it still worked perfectly. Well, not quite perfectly, as shown tonight, but a nod's as good as a wink to a Twitter outage.
    I think DeSantis's announcement last night shows that Twitter is not working perfectly well... ;)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,817

    I think DeSantis's announcement last night shows that Twitter is not working perfectly well... ;)
    I don’t know. Given his launch was a car crash as a result I would say it’s working beautifully.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,294
    On Haley: I backed her... last time, I think it was, at 50/1. Always rather poor at assessing overseas things of this nature, but might put a little bit on.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,164
    ydoethur said:

    I don’t know. Given his launch was a car crash as a result I would say it’s working beautifully.
    Must have been a woke virus that crashed things.

    A pitiful 500k viewers, and excruciating absence of sense if humour or thinking on his feet as things went wrong.
    He's a crap performer when unscripted. His debate performance - if he turns up - could be embarrassing.

    If not a lay, then certainly not one to put money on. (Advice several right wing billionaires ought to have followed.)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,185
    In which country do sheep fall from the sky?

    Bahrain.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 723
    Ghedebrav said:

    Leave you with this: two icons being glorious together, now passed.

    https://youtu.be/Of1HV4b0ccg

    That made me cry.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,185
    Normal behaviour for cops.

    A Nazi-themed poster of skinheads displaying swastikas was fixed to a wall by police officers working in a “racist” unit at the Dorset force, a misconduct hearing was told.

    One PC allegedly called a black motorist a “c**n” while on duty. Another is accused of humiliating a junior colleague to the point where he felt suicidal.

    Inspector Nicholas Mantle, PC Mark Jordan-Gill, PC Michael Lowther, PC Matthew Young and PC Paul Perdrisat allegedly fostered a culture of “racist, misogynistic and homophobic’ behaviour while serving in Dorset police’s force support group based in Bournemouth, the hearing was told.

    The unit deals with outbreaks of public disorder in the town centre.

    They are also accused of posting pornographic, misogynistic and racist messages in a WhatsApp group called “The Real FSG”. Four officers attended the hearing but all five deny the allegations of gross misconduct.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bournemouth-police-unit-had-nazi-themed-poster-on-the-wall-bn5r0p970
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,817

    In which country do sheep fall from the sky?

    Bahrain.

    Are ewe trying to pun again?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,185
    ydoethur said:

    Are ewe trying to pun again?
    My puns are utterly magnificent.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,817

    My puns are utterly magnificent.
    That one struck me as lambentable.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    ydoethur said:

    Are ewe trying to pun again?
    He's not pulling the wool over my eyes.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,164
    felix said:

    He's not pulling the wool over my eyes.
    He did ram that one down our throats, and no one's flocking to his defence.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,164

    My puns are utterly magnificent.
    Not feeling sheepish ?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021

    Normal behaviour for cops.

    A Nazi-themed poster of skinheads displaying swastikas was fixed to a wall by police officers working in a “racist” unit at the Dorset force, a misconduct hearing was told.

    One PC allegedly called a black motorist a “c**n” while on duty. Another is accused of humiliating a junior colleague to the point where he felt suicidal.

    Inspector Nicholas Mantle, PC Mark Jordan-Gill, PC Michael Lowther, PC Matthew Young and PC Paul Perdrisat allegedly fostered a culture of “racist, misogynistic and homophobic’ behaviour while serving in Dorset police’s force support group based in Bournemouth, the hearing was told.

    The unit deals with outbreaks of public disorder in the town centre.

    They are also accused of posting pornographic, misogynistic and racist messages in a WhatsApp group called “The Real FSG”. Four officers attended the hearing but all five deny the allegations of gross misconduct.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bournemouth-police-unit-had-nazi-themed-poster-on-the-wall-bn5r0p970

    How are the more junior police supposed to behave, wehen even the Superintendent is up for rape and ABH?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12122187/Police-superintendent-honoured-Queen-appears-court-charged-four-counts-rape.html

    Supt Mo Aziz, 48, also faces two counts of causing actual bodily harm, coercive and controlling behaviour, causing a female to engage in sexual activity and two of disclosing or threatening to disclose private sexual photographs or films with intent to cause distress.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,766
    ..
    ydoethur said:

    To run through these in turn:

    He worked on the North East Assembly referendum campaign for two days and came up with one slogan. The think tank he was running as part of it went bankrupt six months later because it could get no work.

    He had nothing to do with the campaign against the Euro. That was Brown.

    The EU referendum, again, he came up with one slogan. It was wrong.

    For the 2019 election, he came up with a number of slogans but not a single policy that has been successfully implemented.

    While chief of staff, he made innumerable embarrassing mistakes including stealing a phone, breaking lockdown, misunderstanding recruitment procedures and constantly leaking misinformation about himself to the press.

    And that’s even before I get on to his failed commercial ventures or the disasters he wrought at the DfE.

    He claims a much bigger role for himself than he had in all of these things I’m not sure whether that’s dishonesty or whether his self-delusion genuinely extends to the ability to rewrite his past to make himself seem more brilliant.

    The issue is he’s not that bright, but he puts out propaganda claiming he is. Unfortunately Gove and Johnson were taken in by it.

    Cummings is a skillful project manager, which means he is very good at marshalling people and resources (and messages in his case) to deliver a result. As a sometimes PM I recognise his skill and would be happy for him lead a project if I could cope with his personality.

    He should be let nowhere near policy and his blogs are drivel.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,524
    Andy_JS said:

    1997/98 I'd say.
    Agree on Heartbreak Hotel.

    Wasn't American Pie 1971 an an elegy on the death of great pop music and arguably the last truly great single to become a number one hit?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,046
    SandraMc said:

    That made me cry.
    That's a great clip.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,164
    Definitely didn't happen, then..

    Russia denies fire at Ministry of Defense, says state media
    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/05/24/europe/fire-moscow-ministry-defense-intl/index.html
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,242

    That looks like quite a good site, haven't seen that one before.

    So I have 15 albums from the 1991 list and 6 from the 2022 list.

    Have thirteen albums from 2023 to date, top 5 so far are Lana Del Rey, Freya Ridings, Boygenius, Gabrielle Aplin and Jessie Ware - looking forward to new albums from Arlo Parks (out tomorrow), Noel Gallagher, Maisie Peters, The Japanese House, Blur, and Jorja Smith.

    Currently listening to the Talking Heads albums for the first time :smile:
    I also really like the albums you mentioned. I would also recommend the latest albums by Young Fathers and Caroline Polachek released this year.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,822
    FF43 said:

    ..

    Cummings is a skillful project manager, which means he is very good at marshalling people and resources (and messages in his case) to deliver a result. As a sometimes PM I recognise his skill and would be happy for him lead a project if I could cope with his personality.

    He should be let nowhere near policy and his blogs are drivel.
    No he's not.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,118
    I wonder if anyone has any other information on this story? Seems incredible that the mining can continue without any legal authority to do so. Hard not to juxtapose this non-application of the law with the casual way in which people who were doing nothing wrong were arrested at the time of the coronation.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/25/digging-continues-at-controversial-south-wales-mine-months-after-licence-expires
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,164
    *Everything* has to go your way to win a prez race

    Just ask the 100+ people who have run in past 25+ years, vs the four who have been sworn in.

    Not everything is going Ron DeSantis's way.

    (The candidate I worked for had everything go his way in 1976—and won. Not in 1980.)

    https://twitter.com/JamesFallows/status/1661592511171956747
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