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  • sarissasarissa Posts: 1,997
    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    TOPPING said:

    wrt the chase it will be interesting to see what happens.

    Yesterday passing Parliament Square on a Boris Bike at around 10pm there was a gang of bicycle riding what used to be called hoodlums or thugs (all hoodies and balaclava-ed up) riding all over the pavement, running red lights and generally whooping it up.

    In what must be one of the most policed square 500 yards in the country. And on and over they went towards Victoria.

    It's the same everywhere. It's why "cyclists" as an encompassing term doesn't work any more.

    Mamils
    Dura_ace types
    Europeans (attractive, no helmet, step through bike)
    Commuters (panniers)
    Balaclava gangs (steal mopeds)
    Deliveroo (roughly white van man)
    Cargo bikers (highly fertile, bucket full of kids)
    I'm about to take up cycling - think I'll aim for that 'European' category.
    I've had to put my cycling on hold. The bike can't go anywhere because it's two tyred.
    You had to puncture this discussion.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,835
    sarissa said:

    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    TOPPING said:

    wrt the chase it will be interesting to see what happens.

    Yesterday passing Parliament Square on a Boris Bike at around 10pm there was a gang of bicycle riding what used to be called hoodlums or thugs (all hoodies and balaclava-ed up) riding all over the pavement, running red lights and generally whooping it up.

    In what must be one of the most policed square 500 yards in the country. And on and over they went towards Victoria.

    It's the same everywhere. It's why "cyclists" as an encompassing term doesn't work any more.

    Mamils
    Dura_ace types
    Europeans (attractive, no helmet, step through bike)
    Commuters (panniers)
    Balaclava gangs (steal mopeds)
    Deliveroo (roughly white van man)
    Cargo bikers (highly fertile, bucket full of kids)
    I'm about to take up cycling - think I'll aim for that 'European' category.
    I've had to put my cycling on hold. The bike can't go anywhere because it's two tyred.
    You had to puncture this discussion.
    I hate to brake it to you, but that is a wheely bad joke.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,835
    Cookie said:

    Very attractive, slightly posh young woman at the bar: "Hellooooo, please can I have a pint of your cheapest lager"
    Barman: "We've got Fosters at £3.80, or Estrella or Krombacher for five pounds."
    VASPYW: "I suppose it'll be Estrella then".

    Clearly Fosters not even competitive amongst those for whom cheapness is the only criterion.

    Are you sure she is attractive, or have you been taking advantage of the £3.80 lager all afternoon?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,495
    sarissa said:

    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    TOPPING said:

    wrt the chase it will be interesting to see what happens.

    Yesterday passing Parliament Square on a Boris Bike at around 10pm there was a gang of bicycle riding what used to be called hoodlums or thugs (all hoodies and balaclava-ed up) riding all over the pavement, running red lights and generally whooping it up.

    In what must be one of the most policed square 500 yards in the country. And on and over they went towards Victoria.

    It's the same everywhere. It's why "cyclists" as an encompassing term doesn't work any more.

    Mamils
    Dura_ace types
    Europeans (attractive, no helmet, step through bike)
    Commuters (panniers)
    Balaclava gangs (steal mopeds)
    Deliveroo (roughly white van man)
    Cargo bikers (highly fertile, bucket full of kids)
    I'm about to take up cycling - think I'll aim for that 'European' category.
    I've had to put my cycling on hold. The bike can't go anywhere because it's two tyred.
    You had to puncture this discussion.
    Sorry I spoke.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,983
    ydoethur said:

    sarissa said:

    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    TOPPING said:

    wrt the chase it will be interesting to see what happens.

    Yesterday passing Parliament Square on a Boris Bike at around 10pm there was a gang of bicycle riding what used to be called hoodlums or thugs (all hoodies and balaclava-ed up) riding all over the pavement, running red lights and generally whooping it up.

    In what must be one of the most policed square 500 yards in the country. And on and over they went towards Victoria.

    It's the same everywhere. It's why "cyclists" as an encompassing term doesn't work any more.

    Mamils
    Dura_ace types
    Europeans (attractive, no helmet, step through bike)
    Commuters (panniers)
    Balaclava gangs (steal mopeds)
    Deliveroo (roughly white van man)
    Cargo bikers (highly fertile, bucket full of kids)
    I'm about to take up cycling - think I'll aim for that 'European' category.
    I've had to put my cycling on hold. The bike can't go anywhere because it's two tyred.
    You had to puncture this discussion.
    Sorry I spoke.
    Did someone pull your chain?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,392

    The Tories are falling apart, according to Sky News.
    Thoughts with Big G at this time.

    10:02 - Jackie Doyle-Price: FFS - who on earth is spouting this bonkersness? Are you determined to turn our party into a skip fire?
    10:03 - Anne-Marie Trevelyan: ☝ what Jackie said
    10:06 - Sally-Ann Hart: WTF.
    10:07 - Kevin Foster: Spot on Jackie
    10:15 - Simon Hoare: would the last Tory MP to leave the building please turn off the lights. The nonsense, self-destroying crap has to end or our Party dies.
    10:19 - James Sunderland: These emerging groups, leaks and briefings to the media are helping none of us. All of us already belong to the most successful political grouping ever - It's called the Conservative Party.
    10:29 - Andrea Jenkyns: I don't like leakers, I prefer to say things to peoples face. However it is interesting some of those commenting were happy to speak out publicly against the Boris and Liz administrations. So maybe less sanctimony and hypocrisy. Clearly many in the party are unhappy. But those at the top are not doing anything about this to bring people together.
    10:29 - Robert Goodwill: There are two very simple rules that must be applied in all situations. 1) Does what I say or do make it more or less likely that we will win the General Election? If the answer is yes then do it, if no then don't. 2) Off the record briefings - see above.
    10:32 - Craig Mackinlay: Good advice Sir RG. Never do blue on blue no matter how annoyed one might be.

    Why reference me

    I fully accept the conservatives are in free fall with the toxicity of Johnson, Truss and Braverman

    I regularly attack the right of the party but do support Sunak as he is their best hope to mitigate the next GE

    They need to go into opposition but that does not mean I or many others see Starmer as the answer
  • CorrectHorseBatCorrectHorseBat Posts: 1,761
    Boris Johnson is a twat. He's bringing down the UK's most successful and oldest party and is taking the country down too. What a moron.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,726

    Boris Johnson is a twat.

    Universal truth #4
  • The Tories are falling apart, according to Sky News.
    Thoughts with Big G at this time.

    10:02 - Jackie Doyle-Price: FFS - who on earth is spouting this bonkersness? Are you determined to turn our party into a skip fire?
    10:03 - Anne-Marie Trevelyan: ☝ what Jackie said
    10:06 - Sally-Ann Hart: WTF.
    10:07 - Kevin Foster: Spot on Jackie
    10:15 - Simon Hoare: would the last Tory MP to leave the building please turn off the lights. The nonsense, self-destroying crap has to end or our Party dies.
    10:19 - James Sunderland: These emerging groups, leaks and briefings to the media are helping none of us. All of us already belong to the most successful political grouping ever - It's called the Conservative Party.
    10:29 - Andrea Jenkyns: I don't like leakers, I prefer to say things to peoples face. However it is interesting some of those commenting were happy to speak out publicly against the Boris and Liz administrations. So maybe less sanctimony and hypocrisy. Clearly many in the party are unhappy. But those at the top are not doing anything about this to bring people together.
    10:29 - Robert Goodwill: There are two very simple rules that must be applied in all situations. 1) Does what I say or do make it more or less likely that we will win the General Election? If the answer is yes then do it, if no then don't. 2) Off the record briefings - see above.
    10:32 - Craig Mackinlay: Good advice Sir RG. Never do blue on blue no matter how annoyed one might be.

    Why reference me

    I fully accept the conservatives are in free fall with the toxicity of Johnson, Truss and Braverman

    I regularly attack the right of the party but do support Sunak as he is their best hope to mitigate the next GE

    They need to go into opposition but that does not mean I or many others see Starmer as the answer
    Cons and SNP are getting it now, Lab had it with Corbyn, LDs had it with the Coalition. Its a painful experience for someone who genuinely thinks their party is the best option for the country - or should be if the idiots in Westminster could get their act together.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,270

    If the GOP had any sense, which of course they don’t, they’d get behind her for the nomination. Much better chance of winning the centre ground than either DeSantis or Trump.

    I think her odds will probably shorten, so a good bet, but fundamentally anyone with a chance of winning the centre ground will be anathema to half the Republican primary voters, if not more. I don’t believe it’s possible to square the circle of satisfying the MAGA/RDS crowd and appealing to the centre ground.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,073

    Boris Johnson is a twat. He's bringing down the UK's most successful and oldest party and is taking the country down too. What a moron.

    The Conservative Party will survive. It is a revenant; stealing the policies of other parties as times change, continually reinventing itself.

    This is why it has remained a political force for well over a century.

    But yes, Boris Johnson is both a moron and a tw@t.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,392

    The Tories are falling apart, according to Sky News.
    Thoughts with Big G at this time.

    10:02 - Jackie Doyle-Price: FFS - who on earth is spouting this bonkersness? Are you determined to turn our party into a skip fire?
    10:03 - Anne-Marie Trevelyan: ☝ what Jackie said
    10:06 - Sally-Ann Hart: WTF.
    10:07 - Kevin Foster: Spot on Jackie
    10:15 - Simon Hoare: would the last Tory MP to leave the building please turn off the lights. The nonsense, self-destroying crap has to end or our Party dies.
    10:19 - James Sunderland: These emerging groups, leaks and briefings to the media are helping none of us. All of us already belong to the most successful political grouping ever - It's called the Conservative Party.
    10:29 - Andrea Jenkyns: I don't like leakers, I prefer to say things to peoples face. However it is interesting some of those commenting were happy to speak out publicly against the Boris and Liz administrations. So maybe less sanctimony and hypocrisy. Clearly many in the party are unhappy. But those at the top are not doing anything about this to bring people together.
    10:29 - Robert Goodwill: There are two very simple rules that must be applied in all situations. 1) Does what I say or do make it more or less likely that we will win the General Election? If the answer is yes then do it, if no then don't. 2) Off the record briefings - see above.
    10:32 - Craig Mackinlay: Good advice Sir RG. Never do blue on blue no matter how annoyed one might be.

    Why reference me

    I fully accept the conservatives are in free fall with the toxicity of Johnson, Truss and Braverman

    I regularly attack the right of the party but do support Sunak as he is their best hope to mitigate the next GE

    They need to go into opposition but that does not mean I or many others see Starmer as the answer
    Cons and SNP are getting it now, Lab had it with Corbyn, LDs had it with the Coalition. Its a painful experience for someone who genuinely thinks their party is the best option for the country - or should be if the idiots in Westminster could get their act together.
    I want the conservatives to return to the one nation party and hope that the right of the party pay the price at GE 24

    At my age I am not concerned at the future in politics personally, and certainly I am not excusing the behaviour of Johnson and others

    Starmer is well on the way to being the next PM and encountering the reality of the problems this country is facing and a 24 hour 'gotcha news cycle
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter turns 17 today. A complex age for any human. And I immediately thought of the Janis Ian song, and found this exquisite live rendition on The Old Grey Whistle Test

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMUz2TNMvL0

    Just absolutely spine-tingling. Can you imagine being in that audience and hearing this LIVE for the first time. A cold clear copper bottomed masterpiece of a song. The voice, the guitar work, the immortal tune, the poignant lyrics, everything. Ah, fuck. What 'appened to music?

    Great song. Do we always have to include that hangdog 'better in my day' bit at the end though? We're the same age (ish) but my son is double 17. That's 34 (for the non accountants). It's interestingly poised now, our relationship. 62 plays 34. He has a clear edge in almost everything.
    Yes, unfortunately, we do have to include the "better in my day" bit because it is interesting. Because, for the first time in many decades, this tired old meme is provably true and says something important about politics

    Thus elevating the comment from "Oooh I have a family moment and here's a nice song" to something a shade more interesting that might make a Gazette piece so I'm trying it out from different angles
    Hmm, ok. I don't agree with you though. I don't think this 'better in my day' (about music) is any different to the standard one about anything else.

    And there's nothing wrong with just sharing the family moment!
    In 30 years' time, Leon's daughter will be on here wishing her own son a happy 17th birthday and bemoaning that music isn't as good now as it was back in 2023
    Only if the AI running the country tells her it isn't as good.
    That reminds me that former Vice-President Al Gore hasn't got back to me on my suggestion he release a Hip-Hop album called AlGoreRhythm. It's a political and musical winner and my cut would only be 30%. I'll follow up with him.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,073
    ping said:

    ping said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65696801

    Our drugs policy is a disaster.

    What would be your undisastrous policy?
    Looks to me like our current approach is the worst of all worlds.

    We either need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, or go all in on regulated supply and treatment rooms etc.
    When you say 'drugs', to what do you refer?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,628

    Boris Johnson is a twat. He's bringing down the UK's most successful and oldest party and is taking the country down too. What a moron.

    Boris Johnson has no love, or even interest for the welfare of the Conservative Party. The Conservative Party has merely been a conduit for Boris Johnson's enormous ego to realise it's every whim and ambition.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,871
    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter turns 17 today. A complex age for any human. And I immediately thought of the Janis Ian song, and found this exquisite live rendition on The Old Grey Whistle Test

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMUz2TNMvL0

    Just absolutely spine-tingling. Can you imagine being in that audience and hearing this LIVE for the first time. A cold clear copper bottomed masterpiece of a song. The voice, the guitar work, the immortal tune, the poignant lyrics, everything. Ah, fuck. What 'appened to music?

    Great song. Do we always have to include that hangdog 'better in my day' bit at the end though? We're the same age (ish) but my son is double 17. That's 34 (for the non accountants). It's interestingly poised now, our relationship. 62 plays 34. He has a clear edge in almost everything.
    Yes, unfortunately, we do have to include the "better in my day" bit because it is interesting. Because, for the first time in many decades, this tired old meme is provably true and says something important about politics

    Thus elevating the comment from "Oooh I have a family moment and here's a nice song" to something a shade more interesting that might make a Gazette piece so I'm trying it out from different angles
    Hmm, ok. I don't agree with you though. I don't think this 'better in my day' (about music) is any different to the standard one about anything else.

    And there's nothing wrong with just sharing the family moment!
    Where is the equivalent - post, say, 2010 - of a pop song as exquisite, delicate and moving as "At 17"? It does not exist

    Amy Winehouse is much missed. She was the very last of the Golden Age. The Tintoretto of the Pop Music Renaissance
    I've dropped off tracking new releases (being 62) and in any case there's so much product these days on so many platforms you can't get your arms around it as you once could. It used to be that if you were into music and there was a great song released you'd be bound to hear it. The corollary was if you didn't hear something it can't have been that good. This is no longer the case. There's tons of high quality new music now that unless you devote yourself to seeking it out (which you won't at your age) you will not discover. But it's there.

    Eg what I've noticed is when I do random deep dives into recent music, or catch it on soundtracks for tv dramas, I come across plenty of absolutely terrific songs. Songs just as good as those on my familiar playlists. Songs whereby I know that if I listened to them a lot, and could associate them with my younger life, thus generating a sweet nostalgia hit, could take their place as 'classics' (for me). I don't have the time or inclination to do this now, so they don't, but they could. They are objectively good enough, is my point.

    So although I'd like to agree that the stuff I've curated and love from many moons ago constitutes a 'Golden Age' (because it's nice to believe that), I kind of know that it isn't. It's another heart v head thing, this. Heart says you're right that music used to be better. Head says it's nonsense.
    Absolutely right.

    There is some cracking music around right now, just keep Shazam to hand and you can assemble a great playlist by watching mini-series or just being in shops for that matter (perhaps not Fortnums).

    As to great pop songs post-2010 try Tash Sultana Jungle (2016) and if I bothered to look I could find zillions more from the past year or three.
    I just checked it out. Sweet song with some pleasantly chiming guitar chords. That’s a nice tune



    But I was specifically looking for “a pop song as exquisite, delicate and moving as "At 17"?

    And the idea that “Jungle” is that is, with all respect, preposterous

    But let others decide. Here they are side by side. Both live versions

    Jungle:

    https://youtu.be/7wiQpyHgp1Y

    At 17:

    https://youtu.be/VMUz2TNMvL0

  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter turns 17 today. A complex age for any human. And I immediately thought of the Janis Ian song, and found this exquisite live rendition on The Old Grey Whistle Test

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMUz2TNMvL0

    Just absolutely spine-tingling. Can you imagine being in that audience and hearing this LIVE for the first time. A cold clear copper bottomed masterpiece of a song. The voice, the guitar work, the immortal tune, the poignant lyrics, everything. Ah, fuck. What 'appened to music?

    I love that song, and haven't listened to it in decades.
    Thanks for that, and many happy returns to the kid.
    You're welcome, and thankyou on behalf of the kiddo

    I have now listened to that Janis Ian live version of At 17 three times over and there is so much that is so well done. Her enunciation is perrrrrfect. She extends the vowels on Vaaaaalentnes and yoooouth in a way which fits the song superbly yet also adds to its plangent sadness in a way I cannot quite understand. That is great art and that is peak singer song-writing. She knows her own song so well, and it is so heartfelt, she can make something sublime out of each delicately voiced word, possibly without even quite knowing she is doing it
    It reminds me of "Only a Prawn in Whitby" by Cud in that respect but not quite as good.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited May 2023

    ping said:

    ping said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65696801

    Our drugs policy is a disaster.

    What would be your undisastrous policy?
    Looks to me like our current approach is the worst of all worlds.

    We either need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, or go all in on regulated supply and treatment rooms etc.
    When you say 'drugs', to what do you refer?
    See the BBC link that your post was replying to, for an example.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,270
    edited May 2023
    Cyclefree said:

    Something is not right with this issue of Boris and the lawyers he has apparently sacked.

    The facts as I understand them:-

    - Last year it was revealed that Boris had instructed Peters & Peters, a firm specialising in fraud and David Pannick KC to advise him in relation to the Standards Committee investigation into him.
    - The government agreed to pay their fees. Why has never been explained.
    - Peters & Peters and Pannick were present when Johnson gave evidence to the Committee.
    - Now we are told that Cabinet office lawyers have been advising him. Why?
    - What happened to Peters & Peters? Government lawyers advise the government not backbench MPs.
    - If they are advising Boris in his capacity as PM in respect of actions done as PM and the government is paying, it is not for him to sack them. He can refuse to be advised by them but then he should be paying for his own lawyers. But no, apparently we are paying. Again, why?

    We are not being told the full story I think.

    I thought P&P were handling the Parliamentary inquiry into his lying, but the Cabinet Office lawyers are handling the COVID-19 Inquiry.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,955
    ping said:

    ping said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65696801

    Our drugs policy is a disaster.

    What would be your undisastrous policy?
    Looks to me like our current approach is the worst of all worlds.

    We either need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, or go all in on regulated supply and treatment rooms etc.
    You don't necessarily need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, but you do need a societal consensus to implement very tough penalties as in Singapore.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,628
    ...
    EPG said:

    Adele's better than Amy who didn't even have a number one. They're just pop artists after all.

    So was Dusty. Forget UB40 and Chrissie Hynde, Dusty's version of Breakfast in Bed is simply sublime.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,999
    Because PB’ers just love pump-and-dump posts like this?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,523
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter turns 17 today. A complex age for any human. And I immediately thought of the Janis Ian song, and found this exquisite live rendition on The Old Grey Whistle Test

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMUz2TNMvL0

    Just absolutely spine-tingling. Can you imagine being in that audience and hearing this LIVE for the first time. A cold clear copper bottomed masterpiece of a song. The voice, the guitar work, the immortal tune, the poignant lyrics, everything. Ah, fuck. What 'appened to music?

    Great song. Do we always have to include that hangdog 'better in my day' bit at the end though? We're the same age (ish) but my son is double 17. That's 34 (for the non accountants). It's interestingly poised now, our relationship. 62 plays 34. He has a clear edge in almost everything.
    Yes, unfortunately, we do have to include the "better in my day" bit because it is interesting. Because, for the first time in many decades, this tired old meme is provably true and says something important about politics

    Thus elevating the comment from "Oooh I have a family moment and here's a nice song" to something a shade more interesting that might make a Gazette piece so I'm trying it out from different angles
    Hmm, ok. I don't agree with you though. I don't think this 'better in my day' (about music) is any different to the standard one about anything else.

    And there's nothing wrong with just sharing the family moment!
    Where is the equivalent - post, say, 2010 - of a pop song as exquisite, delicate and moving as "At 17"? It does not exist

    Amy Winehouse is much missed. She was the very last of the Golden Age. The Tintoretto of the Pop Music Renaissance
    I've dropped off tracking new releases (being 62) and in any case there's so much product these days on so many platforms you can't get your arms around it as you once could. It used to be that if you were into music and there was a great song released you'd be bound to hear it. The corollary was if you didn't hear something it can't have been that good. This is no longer the case. There's tons of high quality new music now that unless you devote yourself to seeking it out (which you won't at your age) you will not discover. But it's there.

    Eg what I've noticed is when I do random deep dives into recent music, or catch it on soundtracks for tv dramas, I come across plenty of absolutely terrific songs. Songs just as good as those on my familiar playlists. Songs whereby I know that if I listened to them a lot, and could associate them with my younger life, thus generating a sweet nostalgia hit, could take their place as 'classics' (for me). I don't have the time or inclination to do this now, so they don't, but they could. They are objectively good enough, is my point.

    So although I'd like to agree that the stuff I've curated and love from many moons ago constitutes a 'Golden Age' (because it's nice to believe that), I kind of know that it isn't. It's another heart v head thing, this. Heart says you're right that music used to be better. Head says it's nonsense.
    Absolutely right.

    There is some cracking music around right now, just keep Shazam to hand and you can assemble a great playlist by watching mini-series or just being in shops for that matter (perhaps not Fortnums).

    As to great pop songs post-2010 try Tash Sultana Jungle (2016) and if I bothered to look I could find zillions more from the past year or three.
    I just checked it out. Sweet song with some pleasantly chiming guitar chords. That’s a nice tune



    But I was specifically looking for “a pop song as exquisite, delicate and moving as "At 17"?

    And the idea that “Jungle” is that is, with all respect, preposterous

    But let others decide. Here they are side by side. Both live versions

    Jungle:

    https://youtu.be/7wiQpyHgp1Y

    At 17:

    https://youtu.be/VMUz2TNMvL0

    I’ve been impressed by a singer called Freya Ridings, who is disgustingly young and talented, after watching her belt out some songs live and playing the piano at same time on a BBC live lounge set.

    Seems to have a decent range of songs from Castles which is more upbeat to “lost without you” which is a bit more low key. Surprisingly low voice like the singer from London Grammar.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,015
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter turns 17 today. A complex age for any human. And I immediately thought of the Janis Ian song, and found this exquisite live rendition on The Old Grey Whistle Test

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMUz2TNMvL0

    Just absolutely spine-tingling. Can you imagine being in that audience and hearing this LIVE for the first time. A cold clear copper bottomed masterpiece of a song. The voice, the guitar work, the immortal tune, the poignant lyrics, everything. Ah, fuck. What 'appened to music?

    Great song. Do we always have to include that hangdog 'better in my day' bit at the end though? We're the same age (ish) but my son is double 17. That's 34 (for the non accountants). It's interestingly poised now, our relationship. 62 plays 34. He has a clear edge in almost everything.
    Yes, unfortunately, we do have to include the "better in my day" bit because it is interesting. Because, for the first time in many decades, this tired old meme is provably true and says something important about politics

    Thus elevating the comment from "Oooh I have a family moment and here's a nice song" to something a shade more interesting that might make a Gazette piece so I'm trying it out from different angles
    Hmm, ok. I don't agree with you though. I don't think this 'better in my day' (about music) is any different to the standard one about anything else.

    And there's nothing wrong with just sharing the family moment!
    Where is the equivalent - post, say, 2010 - of a pop song as exquisite, delicate and moving as "At 17"? It does not exist

    Amy Winehouse is much missed. She was the very last of the Golden Age. The Tintoretto of the Pop Music Renaissance
    I've dropped off tracking new releases (being 62) and in any case there's so much product these days on so many platforms you can't get your arms around it as you once could. It used to be that if you were into music and there was a great song released you'd be bound to hear it. The corollary was if you didn't hear something it can't have been that good. This is no longer the case. There's tons of high quality new music now that unless you devote yourself to seeking it out (which you won't at your age) you will not discover. But it's there.

    Eg what I've noticed is when I do random deep dives into recent music, or catch it on soundtracks for tv dramas, I come across plenty of absolutely terrific songs. Songs just as good as those on my familiar playlists. Songs whereby I know that if I listened to them a lot, and could associate them with my younger life, thus generating a sweet nostalgia hit, could take their place as 'classics' (for me). I don't have the time or inclination to do this now, so they don't, but they could. They are objectively good enough, is my point.

    So although I'd like to agree that the stuff I've curated and love from many moons ago constitutes a 'Golden Age' (because it's nice to believe that), I kind of know that it isn't. It's another heart v head thing, this. Heart says you're right that music used to be better. Head says it's nonsense.
    Absolutely right.

    There is some cracking music around right now, just keep Shazam to hand and you can assemble a great playlist by watching mini-series or just being in shops for that matter (perhaps not Fortnums).

    As to great pop songs post-2010 try Tash Sultana Jungle (2016) and if I bothered to look I could find zillions more from the past year or three.
    I just checked it out. Sweet song with some pleasantly chiming guitar chords. That’s a nice tune



    But I was specifically looking for “a pop song as exquisite, delicate and moving as "At 17"?

    And the idea that “Jungle” is that is, with all respect, preposterous

    But let others decide. Here they are side by side. Both live versions

    Jungle:

    https://youtu.be/7wiQpyHgp1Y

    At 17:

    https://youtu.be/VMUz2TNMvL0

    Hmm just read the full thread on this.

    At 17 is a fine song a cross between Joan Armatrading, Joni Mitchell, Stevie Nicks and many others.

    Pop song it is not.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,726
    ping said:

    algarkirk said:

    ping said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65696801

    We need a coherent drugs policy, urgently.

    As we have needed one all our lives and have never had one don't hold your breath. (Which of the competing ideas did you have in mind?)
    See my post, above.

    I’m ideologically ambivalent - and our choice is constrained by international policy.

    This should be far higher up our political agenda. The debate is completely different to the 90’s/2000’s, given the terrifying shit now being sold on the streets.

    This ain’t the weed grown in someone’s shed, that you remember from your youth.
    Ideological ambivalence is universal on this matter. It is possible this is because there is no course of action on drugs in a modern, liberal and democratic society which grants human rights to drug users and drug dealers, that can be lawful, useful, effective, and command assent.

    If this is true (I think it is) then its place on the agenda, and the debate will make little difference.

    FWIW I think the only conceivable approaches would be based on two principles: responsibility and culpability lies with the user not the supplier; and the only way of preventing drug use is if almost everyone opts for non use voluntarily.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,015
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter turns 17 today. A complex age for any human. And I immediately thought of the Janis Ian song, and found this exquisite live rendition on The Old Grey Whistle Test

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMUz2TNMvL0

    Just absolutely spine-tingling. Can you imagine being in that audience and hearing this LIVE for the first time. A cold clear copper bottomed masterpiece of a song. The voice, the guitar work, the immortal tune, the poignant lyrics, everything. Ah, fuck. What 'appened to music?

    Great song. Do we always have to include that hangdog 'better in my day' bit at the end though? We're the same age (ish) but my son is double 17. That's 34 (for the non accountants). It's interestingly poised now, our relationship. 62 plays 34. He has a clear edge in almost everything.
    Yes, unfortunately, we do have to include the "better in my day" bit because it is interesting. Because, for the first time in many decades, this tired old meme is provably true and says something important about politics

    Thus elevating the comment from "Oooh I have a family moment and here's a nice song" to something a shade more interesting that might make a Gazette piece so I'm trying it out from different angles
    Hmm, ok. I don't agree with you though. I don't think this 'better in my day' (about music) is any different to the standard one about anything else.

    And there's nothing wrong with just sharing the family moment!
    Where is the equivalent - post, say, 2010 - of a pop song as exquisite, delicate and moving as "At 17"? It does not exist

    Amy Winehouse is much missed. She was the very last of the Golden Age. The Tintoretto of the Pop Music Renaissance
    I've dropped off tracking new releases (being 62) and in any case there's so much product these days on so many platforms you can't get your arms around it as you once could. It used to be that if you were into music and there was a great song released you'd be bound to hear it. The corollary was if you didn't hear something it can't have been that good. This is no longer the case. There's tons of high quality new music now that unless you devote yourself to seeking it out (which you won't at your age) you will not discover. But it's there.

    Eg what I've noticed is when I do random deep dives into recent music, or catch it on soundtracks for tv dramas, I come across plenty of absolutely terrific songs. Songs just as good as those on my familiar playlists. Songs whereby I know that if I listened to them a lot, and could associate them with my younger life, thus generating a sweet nostalgia hit, could take their place as 'classics' (for me). I don't have the time or inclination to do this now, so they don't, but they could. They are objectively good enough, is my point.

    So although I'd like to agree that the stuff I've curated and love from many moons ago constitutes a 'Golden Age' (because it's nice to believe that), I kind of know that it isn't. It's another heart v head thing, this. Heart says you're right that music used to be better. Head says it's nonsense.
    Absolutely right.

    There is some cracking music around right now, just keep Shazam to hand and you can assemble a great playlist by watching mini-series or just being in shops for that matter (perhaps not Fortnums).

    As to great pop songs post-2010 try Tash Sultana Jungle (2016) and if I bothered to look I could find zillions more from the past year or three.
    I just checked it out. Sweet song with some pleasantly chiming guitar chords. That’s a nice tune



    But I was specifically looking for “a pop song as exquisite, delicate and moving as "At 17"?

    And the idea that “Jungle” is that is, with all respect, preposterous

    But let others decide. Here they are side by side. Both live versions

    Jungle:

    https://youtu.be/7wiQpyHgp1Y

    At 17:

    https://youtu.be/VMUz2TNMvL0

    Also, that is far from the best recording of Jungle. Look out the live from the bedroom version.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,622

    The new genre of 'reaction' videos on YouTube could be a symptom of the decline of pop culture. People film themselves watching older performances as if they are encountering an ancient civilisation.

    Here's an example of someone reduced to tears by Tori Amos:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDo_JliyCoE

    If you forced me to listen to Tori Amos, I'd probably be in tears too.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,660

    ping said:

    ping said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65696801

    Our drugs policy is a disaster.

    What would be your undisastrous policy?
    Looks to me like our current approach is the worst of all worlds.

    We either need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, or go all in on regulated supply and treatment rooms etc.
    When you say 'drugs', to what do you refer?
    Nearly all the insanely harmful drugs are substitutes for much less harmful stuff.

    If you could get cocaine and opium from the chemist, as in Victorian times, the other stuff would vanish.

    Just like meths and ethanol based alcohols.

    Legalise, tax and carefully control the supply chain for drugs. Including rules on strength and purity.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,141
    Nigelb said:

    Prigozhin has said 20,000 Wagner fighters were killed in the battle for Bakhmut. That’s more than the USSR lost in 10 years in Afghanistan.
    Which brings us to the other thing he said—that this war could end in a revolution in Russia


    https://twitter.com/AlecLuhn/status/1661329479787073536

    Yevgeny Prigozhin says that Russia’s objectives of "denazifying" and "demilitarising" Ukraine have failed miserably

    "F*ck knows how, but we’ve militarised Ukraine!"

    https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1661301463442702336

    It's rare you see a quote go directly from someone's mouth into the history books, but "Fuck knows how, but we’ve militarized Ukraine!" is gonna be in every writeup of this conflict.
    https://twitter.com/AaronMehta/status/1661382488097267727
    Watch the clip. Greeks, Romans... — we've unmasked @Morris_Dancer
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,015
    Or try Tami Neilsen if you like that kind of thing.

    https://youtu.be/S6NcgB822_0
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,270
    I think Trump will win the nomination. To defeat him, his opponents have to go on the attack, but the one who does that will be too damaged in return to win, perhaps. So who’s the sacrificial lamb?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,631
    Talking of decent singers Tina Turner has, sadly, passed on.

    https://news.sky.com/story/tina-turner-dies-aged-83-12888593
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,707
    edited May 2023
    SKS Fans please explain

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    2h
    First Conservative lead since launching Blue Wall tracker in Oct

    Blue Wall VI (22 May):

    Conservative 34% (+2)
    Labour 33% (-3)
    Liberal Democrat 22% (-1)
    Reform 6% (+1)
    Green 3% (+1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 7 May
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,778

    If the GOP had any sense, which of course they don’t, they’d get behind her for the nomination. Much better chance of winning the centre ground than either DeSantis or Trump.

    I think her odds will probably shorten, so a good bet, but fundamentally anyone with a chance of winning the centre ground will be anathema to half the Republican primary voters, if not more. I don’t believe it’s possible to square the circle of satisfying the MAGA/RDS crowd and appealing to the centre ground.
    Trump v De Santis really is Alien v Predator. Hopefully they'll devour each other, leaving Joe Biden gingerly edging past the bloody remains, with the help of a walking stick, back into the White House.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,073

    ping said:

    ping said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65696801

    Our drugs policy is a disaster.

    What would be your undisastrous policy?
    Looks to me like our current approach is the worst of all worlds.

    We either need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, or go all in on regulated supply and treatment rooms etc.
    When you say 'drugs', to what do you refer?
    Nearly all the insanely harmful drugs are substitutes for much less harmful stuff.

    If you could get cocaine and opium from the chemist, as in Victorian times, the other stuff would vanish.

    Just like meths and ethanol based alcohols.

    Legalise, tax and carefully control the supply chain for drugs. Including rules on strength and purity.
    That seems like a coherent plan. I'm curious about your first sentence, though, Is that actually correct? And if ti is, why has cannabis (always illegal in UK in recent times) been getting stronger?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,359
    I think this is a good bet.

    There's a non-zero chance that Trump is forced to depart the race, in which case a candidate who is in Trump's (relative) good graces, could be in with a decent shout.

    If there's a health issue with Trump between now and mid-January (or other event that forces him from the race): in which case, he will look around for some one he can call his own. And that person won't be Ron DeSantis.

    What are the chances? One-in-ten for Trump departing, evens (or maybe slightly better) for Trump endorsing Hayley, and - imho - if that happened she'd be in a very strong position for a nomination.

    40-1 is good odds, but I wouldn't want to be on anything less than 25 or 30.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,693
    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    TOPPING said:

    wrt the chase it will be interesting to see what happens.

    Yesterday passing Parliament Square on a Boris Bike at around 10pm there was a gang of bicycle riding what used to be called hoodlums or thugs (all hoodies and balaclava-ed up) riding all over the pavement, running red lights and generally whooping it up.

    In what must be one of the most policed square 500 yards in the country. And on and over they went towards Victoria.

    It's the same everywhere. It's why "cyclists" as an encompassing term doesn't work any more.

    Mamils
    Dura_ace types
    Europeans (attractive, no helmet, step through bike)
    Commuters (panniers)
    Balaclava gangs (steal mopeds)
    Deliveroo (roughly white van man)
    Cargo bikers (highly fertile, bucket full of kids)
    I'm about to take up cycling - think I'll aim for that 'European' category.
    Come to the dark side. The first blood bag is the hardest.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,707
    BREAKING: Neil Coyle, who was suspended for drunken abuse and making racist comments to a journalist, and who previously had a sexual harassment complaint upheld against him, has now been given the whip back by the Labour Party


    Owen Jones
    @OwenJones84
    ·
    1h
    Keir Starmer's Labour party is a cesspit.

    If you're loyal to his leadership and you engage in racism and sexual harassment, then you're welcome in the fold.

    Nauseating creeps.

    He is not wrong is he?
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067

    SKS Fans please explain

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    2h
    First Conservative lead since launching Blue Wall tracker in Oct

    Blue Wall VI (22 May):

    Conservative 34% (+2)
    Labour 33% (-3)
    Liberal Democrat 22% (-1)
    Reform 6% (+1)
    Green 3% (+1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 7 May

    All MoE stuff. No real change.

    I expect Blue Wall polling to trend towards LDs as we approach GE with both Conservatives and Labour falling.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,660

    ping said:

    ping said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65696801

    Our drugs policy is a disaster.

    What would be your undisastrous policy?
    Looks to me like our current approach is the worst of all worlds.

    We either need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, or go all in on regulated supply and treatment rooms etc.
    When you say 'drugs', to what do you refer?
    Nearly all the insanely harmful drugs are substitutes for much less harmful stuff.

    If you could get cocaine and opium from the chemist, as in Victorian times, the other stuff would vanish.

    Just like meths and ethanol based alcohols.

    Legalise, tax and carefully control the supply chain for drugs. Including rules on strength and purity.
    That seems like a coherent plan. I'm curious about your first sentence, though, Is that actually correct? And if ti is, why has cannabis (always illegal in UK in recent times) been getting stronger?
    As the crackdowns on drugs got tougher, this opened the market for substitution with nastier more compact stuff. Or drugs like crystal meth that can be manufactured inside a country.

    The increasing strength of weed was about making it more compact to grow and move for a given effect.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,835
    Oh no, that is sad news. Tina Turner was one of the absolute greats.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,073
    ping said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65696801

    Our drugs policy is a disaster.

    What would be your undisastrous policy?
    Looks to me like our current approach is the worst of all worlds.

    We either need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, or go all in on regulated supply and treatment rooms etc.
    When you say 'drugs', to what do you refer?
    See the BBC link that your post was replying to, for an example.
    And I raise you this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-52648026

    or this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-47341941

    or this:
    https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/10/at-least-17-dead-in-russia-after-drinking-adulterated-alcohol/

    etc, etc.

    But that actually does not answer my question. Are you saying that cannabis, heroin, MDMA, ketamine, etc should all be easily available?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,871

    BREAKING: Neil Coyle, who was suspended for drunken abuse and making racist comments to a journalist, and who previously had a sexual harassment complaint upheld against him, has now been given the whip back by the Labour Party


    Owen Jones
    @OwenJones84
    ·
    1h
    Keir Starmer's Labour party is a cesspit.

    If you're loyal to his leadership and you engage in racism and sexual harassment, then you're welcome in the fold.

    Nauseating creeps.

    He is not wrong is he?

    Did Jones really say “cesspit”?

    Lol. There’s a non trivial chance the Labour Party will fracture into seething pieces once they gain power. There is none of the iron discipline of new Labour circa 1996
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,392
    murali_s said:

    SKS Fans please explain

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    2h
    First Conservative lead since launching Blue Wall tracker in Oct

    Blue Wall VI (22 May):

    Conservative 34% (+2)
    Labour 33% (-3)
    Liberal Democrat 22% (-1)
    Reform 6% (+1)
    Green 3% (+1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 7 May

    All MoE stuff. No real change.

    I expect Blue Wall polling to trend towards LDs as we approach GE with both Conservatives and Labour falling.
    Actually it is quite a good poll for Sunak who leads Starmer by 10%

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1661404240634314756?t=8SzshlDfeSVAZk0ece4TKA&s=19
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331

    SKS Fans please explain

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    2h
    First Conservative lead since launching Blue Wall tracker in Oct

    Blue Wall VI (22 May):

    Conservative 34% (+2)
    Labour 33% (-3)
    Liberal Democrat 22% (-1)
    Reform 6% (+1)
    Green 3% (+1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 7 May

    How did Jezza get on in those constituencies?
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,684

    ping said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65696801

    Our drugs policy is a disaster.

    What would be your undisastrous policy?
    Looks to me like our current approach is the worst of all worlds.

    We either need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, or go all in on regulated supply and treatment rooms etc.
    When you say 'drugs', to what do you refer?
    See the BBC link that your post was replying to, for an example.
    And I raise you this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-52648026

    or this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-47341941

    or this:
    https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/10/at-least-17-dead-in-russia-after-drinking-adulterated-alcohol/

    etc, etc.

    But that actually does not answer my question. Are you saying that cannabis, heroin, MDMA, ketamine, etc should all be easily available?
    They are easily available, we just pretend they're not.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,628
    Taz said:

    Talking of decent singers Tina Turner has, sadly, passed on.

    https://news.sky.com/story/tina-turner-dies-aged-83-12888593

    She should have made our list.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,073

    ping said:

    ping said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65696801

    Our drugs policy is a disaster.

    What would be your undisastrous policy?
    Looks to me like our current approach is the worst of all worlds.

    We either need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, or go all in on regulated supply and treatment rooms etc.
    When you say 'drugs', to what do you refer?
    Nearly all the insanely harmful drugs are substitutes for much less harmful stuff.

    If you could get cocaine and opium from the chemist, as in Victorian times, the other stuff would vanish.

    Just like meths and ethanol based alcohols.

    Legalise, tax and carefully control the supply chain for drugs. Including rules on strength and purity.
    That seems like a coherent plan. I'm curious about your first sentence, though, Is that actually correct? And if ti is, why has cannabis (always illegal in UK in recent times) been getting stronger?
    As the crackdowns on drugs got tougher, this opened the market for substitution with nastier more compact stuff. Or drugs like crystal meth that can be manufactured inside a country.

    The increasing strength of weed was about making it more compact to grow and move for a given effect.
    Sources, please.

    And as an aside, what about other effects? As an example, would you say that someone should be able to regularly smoke cannabis in a house where kids are present? Or inject heroin in a similar environment? What about driving - or working - whilst under the influence?

    We have enough problems with alcohol and tobacco smoking. I would like any relaxation on drugs to protect the innocent / non-users much more than the current restrictions on alcohol and tobacco.

    If you regularly smoke cannabis in front of kids, you should be steralised for life. Heck, the same goes for tobacco.... ;)

    IMO drugs (of all kinds) is an issue where there is no *right* answer; only bad ones.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,359

    ping said:

    ping said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65696801

    Our drugs policy is a disaster.

    What would be your undisastrous policy?
    Looks to me like our current approach is the worst of all worlds.

    We either need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, or go all in on regulated supply and treatment rooms etc.
    You don't necessarily need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, but you do need a societal consensus to implement very tough penalties as in Singapore.
    I think that ship has sailed.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,707

    SKS Fans please explain

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    2h
    First Conservative lead since launching Blue Wall tracker in Oct

    Blue Wall VI (22 May):

    Conservative 34% (+2)
    Labour 33% (-3)
    Liberal Democrat 22% (-1)
    Reform 6% (+1)
    Green 3% (+1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 7 May

    How did Jezza get on in those constituencies?
    Whataboutism

    SKS fans have zero arguments and can only resort to Yeah but Corbyn
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,807

    SKS Fans please explain

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    2h
    First Conservative lead since launching Blue Wall tracker in Oct

    Blue Wall VI (22 May):

    Conservative 34% (+2)
    Labour 33% (-3)
    Liberal Democrat 22% (-1)
    Reform 6% (+1)
    Green 3% (+1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 7 May

    How did Jezza get on in those constituencies?
    Labour finished third in these seats in 2019 under Jezza.

    Any Tory/opponents of SKS thinking these poll findings are bad for Labour/good for the Tories are terminally stupid.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,073

    ping said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65696801

    Our drugs policy is a disaster.

    What would be your undisastrous policy?
    Looks to me like our current approach is the worst of all worlds.

    We either need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, or go all in on regulated supply and treatment rooms etc.
    When you say 'drugs', to what do you refer?
    See the BBC link that your post was replying to, for an example.
    And I raise you this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-52648026

    or this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-47341941

    or this:
    https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/10/at-least-17-dead-in-russia-after-drinking-adulterated-alcohol/

    etc, etc.

    But that actually does not answer my question. Are you saying that cannabis, heroin, MDMA, ketamine, etc should all be easily available?
    They are easily available, we just pretend they're not.
    I know where to go to get some Nurofen or a bottle of whisky. I don't know where to go to score some heroin. So 'easily available' very much depends on context.

    (I do know someone who regularly smokes cannabis. But he's a paranoid git, and so probably wouldn't tell me about his dealer even if I asked. ;)

    Your circles evidently are rather different to mine.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,693

    ping said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65696801

    Our drugs policy is a disaster.

    What would be your undisastrous policy?
    Looks to me like our current approach is the worst of all worlds.

    We either need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, or go all in on regulated supply and treatment rooms etc.
    When you say 'drugs', to what do you refer?
    See the BBC link that your post was replying to, for an example.
    And I raise you this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-52648026

    or this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-47341941

    or this:
    https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/10/at-least-17-dead-in-russia-after-drinking-adulterated-alcohol/

    etc, etc.

    But that actually does not answer my question. Are you saying that cannabis, heroin, MDMA, ketamine, etc should all be easily available?
    They are easily available, we just pretend they're not.
    I know where to go to get some Nurofen or a bottle of whisky. I don't know where to go to score some heroin. So 'easily available' very much depends on context.

    You could buy gear in any town in England in about 15 minutes just by asking the scraggiest people you can find on the street.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,778

    Oh no, that is sad news. Tina Turner was one of the absolute greats.
    There's a great video of her somewhere, perhaps YouTube, performing a duet with David Bowie singing "Tonight". There was quite a lot of banter going on which referenced what happened the previous night apparently...
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,684

    ping said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65696801

    Our drugs policy is a disaster.

    What would be your undisastrous policy?
    Looks to me like our current approach is the worst of all worlds.

    We either need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, or go all in on regulated supply and treatment rooms etc.
    When you say 'drugs', to what do you refer?
    See the BBC link that your post was replying to, for an example.
    And I raise you this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-52648026

    or this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-47341941

    or this:
    https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/10/at-least-17-dead-in-russia-after-drinking-adulterated-alcohol/

    etc, etc.

    But that actually does not answer my question. Are you saying that cannabis, heroin, MDMA, ketamine, etc should all be easily available?
    They are easily available, we just pretend they're not.
    I know where to go to get some Nurofen or a bottle of whisky. I don't know where to go to score some heroin. So 'easily available' very much depends on context.

    (I do know someone who regularly smokes cannabis. But he's a paranoid git, and so probably wouldn't tell me about his dealer even if I asked. ;)

    Your circles evidently are rather different to mine.
    Maybe a little different yet I'm sure even a respectable Georgian era engineer could find something illicit in the nearby town if they had to.

    Fuck, even Mikey G seems to manage it.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067

    SKS Fans please explain

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    2h
    First Conservative lead since launching Blue Wall tracker in Oct

    Blue Wall VI (22 May):

    Conservative 34% (+2)
    Labour 33% (-3)
    Liberal Democrat 22% (-1)
    Reform 6% (+1)
    Green 3% (+1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 7 May

    How did Jezza get on in those constituencies?
    Whataboutism

    SKS fans have zero arguments and can only resort to Yeah but Corbyn
    Yeah but Corbyn is very powerful though.

    For the record, I do think Corbyn is a rare breed, a principled politician. He was just a terrible leader.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,359

    ping said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65696801

    Our drugs policy is a disaster.

    What would be your undisastrous policy?
    Looks to me like our current approach is the worst of all worlds.

    We either need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, or go all in on regulated supply and treatment rooms etc.
    When you say 'drugs', to what do you refer?
    See the BBC link that your post was replying to, for an example.
    And I raise you this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-52648026

    or this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-47341941

    or this:
    https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/10/at-least-17-dead-in-russia-after-drinking-adulterated-alcohol/

    etc, etc.

    But that actually does not answer my question. Are you saying that cannabis, heroin, MDMA, ketamine, etc should all be easily available?
    They are easily available, we just pretend they're not.
    I know where to go to get some Nurofen or a bottle of whisky. I don't know where to go to score some heroin. So 'easily available' very much depends on context.

    (I do know someone who regularly smokes cannabis. But he's a paranoid git, and so probably wouldn't tell me about his dealer even if I asked. ;)

    Your circles evidently are rather different to mine.
    Oh come on; there'll be a PB expert who will have bought from all your local dealers, and can rank them on various metrics.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,495

    BREAKING: Neil Coyle, who was suspended for drunken abuse and making racist comments to a journalist, and who previously had a sexual harassment complaint upheld against him, has now been given the whip back by the Labour Party


    Owen Jones
    @OwenJones84
    ·
    1h
    Keir Starmer's Labour party is a cesspit.

    If you're loyal to his leadership and you engage in racism and sexual harassment, then you're welcome in the fold.

    Nauseating creeps.

    He is not wrong is he?

    Is this an admission that Corbyn was disloyal?
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    UK homeowners and renters are facing a "huge income shock" as rising interest rates hit mortgages and monthly costs, the boss of Barclays has warned.

    CS Venkatakrishnan, who is known as Venkat, estimates that payments by mortgage holders and tenants will take a chunk of between 28% and 30% out of their income.

    He said that compares to an average 20% in previous years.


    The Bank of England has sharply raised interest rates to curb inflation.

    The typical UK mortgage is a two-year fixed-rate deal.

    The Barclays boss said that "most people will begin to feel the impact of higher rates when their current deal expires by the end of next year", and predicted "there is a huge income shock" on the way.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65696265

    The entire economy is going to end up being strangled to death by the property market. But prices are at a record high, which the wealthy grey vote loves, so the Government will continue to do nothing meaningful to correct the problem.

    The question is whether or not the next lot will take action, or just wring their hands and utter empty platitudes (whilst muttering under their breath that it's all too difficult.)
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,628

    SKS Fans please explain

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    2h
    First Conservative lead since launching Blue Wall tracker in Oct

    Blue Wall VI (22 May):

    Conservative 34% (+2)
    Labour 33% (-3)
    Liberal Democrat 22% (-1)
    Reform 6% (+1)
    Green 3% (+1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 7 May

    How did Jezza get on in those constituencies?
    Whataboutism

    SKS fans have zero arguments and can only resort to Yeah but Corbyn
    It is a valid argument. Corbyn was unelectable.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,622

    SKS Fans please explain

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    2h
    First Conservative lead since launching Blue Wall tracker in Oct

    Blue Wall VI (22 May):

    Conservative 34% (+2)
    Labour 33% (-3)
    Liberal Democrat 22% (-1)
    Reform 6% (+1)
    Green 3% (+1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 7 May

    How did Jezza get on in those constituencies?
    Whataboutism

    SKS fans have zero arguments and can only resort to Yeah but Corbyn
    It is a valid argument. Corbyn was unelectable.
    Not that unelectable, given that the current Tory Government has implemented tax and spending plans that go further than the ones in the Corbyn manifesto.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    SKS Fans please explain

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    2h
    First Conservative lead since launching Blue Wall tracker in Oct

    Blue Wall VI (22 May):

    Conservative 34% (+2)
    Labour 33% (-3)
    Liberal Democrat 22% (-1)
    Reform 6% (+1)
    Green 3% (+1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 7 May

    Sure. SKS has managed to get the Labour Party within margin of error of leading in a set of constituencies where they came third in 2019. The fact that you need anyone to explain that to you simply marks you as terminally stupid, or that your fanaticism renders you blind to how successful SKS has been. Or likely both. Now piss off and join the Tories or the Trots.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,728

    Oh no, that is sad news. Tina Turner was one of the absolute greats.
    My hairdresser in Dartmouth used to do her wigs, when he headed Vidal Sassoon in LA, before settling for the quiet life.

    (He also cut Bowie's hair....)
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,652
    murali_s said:

    SKS Fans please explain

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    2h
    First Conservative lead since launching Blue Wall tracker in Oct

    Blue Wall VI (22 May):

    Conservative 34% (+2)
    Labour 33% (-3)
    Liberal Democrat 22% (-1)
    Reform 6% (+1)
    Green 3% (+1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 7 May

    How did Jezza get on in those constituencies?
    Whataboutism

    SKS fans have zero arguments and can only resort to Yeah but Corbyn
    Yeah but Corbyn is very powerful though.

    For the record, I do think Corbyn is a rare breed, a principled politician. He was just a terrible leader.

    There is principled and then there is bat shit crazy. Anyone who would rather divorce his wife than see his son go to a Grammar school is utterly bat shit crazy.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,073
    Dura_Ace said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65696801

    Our drugs policy is a disaster.

    What would be your undisastrous policy?
    Looks to me like our current approach is the worst of all worlds.

    We either need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, or go all in on regulated supply and treatment rooms etc.
    When you say 'drugs', to what do you refer?
    See the BBC link that your post was replying to, for an example.
    And I raise you this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-52648026

    or this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-47341941

    or this:
    https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/10/at-least-17-dead-in-russia-after-drinking-adulterated-alcohol/

    etc, etc.

    But that actually does not answer my question. Are you saying that cannabis, heroin, MDMA, ketamine, etc should all be easily available?
    They are easily available, we just pretend they're not.
    I know where to go to get some Nurofen or a bottle of whisky. I don't know where to go to score some heroin. So 'easily available' very much depends on context.

    You could buy gear in any town in England in about 15 minutes just by asking the scraggiest people you can find on the street.
    The bus station in Uttoxeter was always *allegedly* the place when I was a teenager. But I don't know of the place around here - yet I know there are some, as there was a murder by a drug dealer five or so years ago.

    But I fear if I was to go up to the scraggiest person I can find on the street to ask them for some gear, they'll probably think I'm police...

    (On several occasions I've had people ask me if I'm police. Once in Slough when on a hike, with rucksack, once in Stepney Green where my crime was wearing a white shirt, and another outside March. I guess I just have the air. I'm unconvinced this is a good thing ...)
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Dura_Ace said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65696801

    Our drugs policy is a disaster.

    What would be your undisastrous policy?
    Looks to me like our current approach is the worst of all worlds.

    We either need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, or go all in on regulated supply and treatment rooms etc.
    When you say 'drugs', to what do you refer?
    See the BBC link that your post was replying to, for an example.
    And I raise you this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-52648026

    or this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-47341941

    or this:
    https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/10/at-least-17-dead-in-russia-after-drinking-adulterated-alcohol/

    etc, etc.

    But that actually does not answer my question. Are you saying that cannabis, heroin, MDMA, ketamine, etc should all be easily available?
    They are easily available, we just pretend they're not.
    I know where to go to get some Nurofen or a bottle of whisky. I don't know where to go to score some heroin. So 'easily available' very much depends on context.

    You could buy gear in any town in England in about 15 minutes just by asking the scraggiest people you can find on the street.
    The bus station in Uttoxeter was always *allegedly* the place when I was a teenager. But I don't know of the place around here - yet I know there are some, as there was a murder by a drug dealer five or so years ago.

    But I fear if I was to go up to the scraggiest person I can find on the street to ask them for some gear, they'll probably think I'm police...

    (On several occasions I've had people ask me if I'm police. Once in Slough when on a hike, with rucksack, once in Stepney Green where my crime was wearing a white shirt, and another outside March. I guess I just have the air. I'm unconvinced this is a good thing ...)
    The bar at SOAS was always a winner but now I rock up to lectures at Birkbeck after work in my suit I’d likely get some funny looks.
  • AbandonedHopeAbandonedHope Posts: 144
    LDLF said:

    Haley seems to have the capacity to reach across the political divide, in the way the other great white dopes currently in contention for the nomination (or indeed Joe Biden himself) probably can't. But the Republican Party base has gone bonkers and Haley is probably not extreme enough to clear that first stage of the electorate. The Liz Kendall of the GOP, perhaps?

    Broadly speaking, there are today two wings of the GOP: the bonkers Trump-supporting wing and the old school GOP (think Bush or Reagan). Haley heralds from the latter. A rather old-fashioned consensus-building pragmatic politician who will make a decision on a tough issue if required to do so. That she threw her lot in behind Trump shouldn't surprise anybody. She's excellent at reading the room and knowing from which direction the wind is blowing. She knows fine well that she needs the Trump-supporting wing behind her as much as the old school GOP.

    As LDLF says, the base has gone bonkers (or as they would say in South Carolina, "their biscuit ain't done in the middle"). They'll happily choose somebody like Trump over one of their own.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,495
    DougSeal said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65696801

    Our drugs policy is a disaster.

    What would be your undisastrous policy?
    Looks to me like our current approach is the worst of all worlds.

    We either need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, or go all in on regulated supply and treatment rooms etc.
    When you say 'drugs', to what do you refer?
    See the BBC link that your post was replying to, for an example.
    And I raise you this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-52648026

    or this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-47341941

    or this:
    https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/10/at-least-17-dead-in-russia-after-drinking-adulterated-alcohol/

    etc, etc.

    But that actually does not answer my question. Are you saying that cannabis, heroin, MDMA, ketamine, etc should all be easily available?
    They are easily available, we just pretend they're not.
    I know where to go to get some Nurofen or a bottle of whisky. I don't know where to go to score some heroin. So 'easily available' very much depends on context.

    You could buy gear in any town in England in about 15 minutes just by asking the scraggiest people you can find on the street.
    The bus station in Uttoxeter was always *allegedly* the place when I was a teenager. But I don't know of the place around here - yet I know there are some, as there was a murder by a drug dealer five or so years ago.

    But I fear if I was to go up to the scraggiest person I can find on the street to ask them for some gear, they'll probably think I'm police...

    (On several occasions I've had people ask me if I'm police. Once in Slough when on a hike, with rucksack, once in Stepney Green where my crime was wearing a white shirt, and another outside March. I guess I just have the air. I'm unconvinced this is a good thing ...)
    The bar at SOAS was always a winner but now I rock up to lectures at Birkbeck after work in my suit I’d likely get some funny looks.
    Not bloody surprised. Seals don't usually wear any clothes, never mind a suit.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,761

    SKS Fans please explain

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    2h
    First Conservative lead since launching Blue Wall tracker in Oct

    Blue Wall VI (22 May):

    Conservative 34% (+2)
    Labour 33% (-3)
    Liberal Democrat 22% (-1)
    Reform 6% (+1)
    Green 3% (+1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 7 May

    How did Jezza get on in those constituencies?
    Whataboutism

    SKS fans have zero arguments and can only resort to Yeah but Corbyn
    It is a valid argument. Corbyn was unelectable.
    Not that unelectable, given that the current Tory Government has implemented tax and spending plans that go further than the ones in the Corbyn manifesto.
    It wasn't Corbyn's policies that were unelectable. Many of them were very sensible. It was the man himself.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,270
    ydoethur said:

    DougSeal said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65696801

    Our drugs policy is a disaster.

    What would be your undisastrous policy?
    Looks to me like our current approach is the worst of all worlds.

    We either need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, or go all in on regulated supply and treatment rooms etc.
    When you say 'drugs', to what do you refer?
    See the BBC link that your post was replying to, for an example.
    And I raise you this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-52648026

    or this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-47341941

    or this:
    https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/10/at-least-17-dead-in-russia-after-drinking-adulterated-alcohol/

    etc, etc.

    But that actually does not answer my question. Are you saying that cannabis, heroin, MDMA, ketamine, etc should all be easily available?
    They are easily available, we just pretend they're not.
    I know where to go to get some Nurofen or a bottle of whisky. I don't know where to go to score some heroin. So 'easily available' very much depends on context.

    You could buy gear in any town in England in about 15 minutes just by asking the scraggiest people you can find on the street.
    The bus station in Uttoxeter was always *allegedly* the place when I was a teenager. But I don't know of the place around here - yet I know there are some, as there was a murder by a drug dealer five or so years ago.

    But I fear if I was to go up to the scraggiest person I can find on the street to ask them for some gear, they'll probably think I'm police...

    (On several occasions I've had people ask me if I'm police. Once in Slough when on a hike, with rucksack, once in Stepney Green where my crime was wearing a white shirt, and another outside March. I guess I just have the air. I'm unconvinced this is a good thing ...)
    The bar at SOAS was always a winner but now I rock up to lectures at Birkbeck after work in my suit I’d likely get some funny looks.
    Not bloody surprised. Seals don't usually wear any clothes, never mind a suit.
    I also note that Birkbeck is not situated close to any major bodies of water, unless you count a nearby student swimming pool.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,495
    rcs1000 said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65696801

    Our drugs policy is a disaster.

    What would be your undisastrous policy?
    Looks to me like our current approach is the worst of all worlds.

    We either need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, or go all in on regulated supply and treatment rooms etc.
    When you say 'drugs', to what do you refer?
    See the BBC link that your post was replying to, for an example.
    And I raise you this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-52648026

    or this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-47341941

    or this:
    https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/10/at-least-17-dead-in-russia-after-drinking-adulterated-alcohol/

    etc, etc.

    But that actually does not answer my question. Are you saying that cannabis, heroin, MDMA, ketamine, etc should all be easily available?
    They are easily available, we just pretend they're not.
    I know where to go to get some Nurofen or a bottle of whisky. I don't know where to go to score some heroin. So 'easily available' very much depends on context.

    (I do know someone who regularly smokes cannabis. But he's a paranoid git, and so probably wouldn't tell me about his dealer even if I asked. ;)

    Your circles evidently are rather different to mine.
    Oh come on; there'll be a PB expert who will have bought from all your local dealers, and can rank them on various metrics.
    Yes, but I haven't seen @SeanT around recently. I think he may have gone abroad for the winter.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,773

    SKS Fans please explain

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    2h
    First Conservative lead since launching Blue Wall tracker in Oct

    Blue Wall VI (22 May):

    Conservative 34% (+2)
    Labour 33% (-3)
    Liberal Democrat 22% (-1)
    Reform 6% (+1)
    Green 3% (+1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 7 May

    How did Jezza get on in those constituencies?
    Whataboutism

    SKS fans have zero arguments and can only resort to Yeah but Corbyn
    It is a valid argument. Corbyn was unelectable.
    Not that unelectable, given that the current Tory Government has implemented tax and spending plans that go further than the ones in the Corbyn manifesto.
    It wasn't Corbyn's policies that were unelectable. Many of them were very sensible. It was the man himself.
    Nonsense. His friendship with Israel's enemies was enough in its own right to.make him unelectable.
  • WestieWestie Posts: 426
    The Daily Record ask "Why do Rangers play Tina Turner anthem Simply The Best?"

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-adopt-tina-turner-anthem-30069458

    They omit to mention Rangers fans' best loved line in (their version of) the song. Even guests like Paul Gascoyne learn it:

    https://www.facebook.com/VillaAndRangersFans/videos/gazza-singing-fuck-the-pope-and-the-ira-/402820127264528/

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,728
    DougSeal said:

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter turns 17 today. A complex age for any human. And I immediately thought of the Janis Ian song, and found this exquisite live rendition on The Old Grey Whistle Test

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMUz2TNMvL0

    Just absolutely spine-tingling. Can you imagine being in that audience and hearing this LIVE for the first time. A cold clear copper bottomed masterpiece of a song. The voice, the guitar work, the immortal tune, the poignant lyrics, everything. Ah, fuck. What 'appened to music?

    Great song. Do we always have to include that hangdog 'better in my day' bit at the end though? We're the same age (ish) but my son is double 17. That's 34 (for the non accountants). It's interestingly poised now, our relationship. 62 plays 34. He has a clear edge in almost everything.
    Yes, unfortunately, we do have to include the "better in my day" bit because it is interesting. Because, for the first time in many decades, this tired old meme is provably true and says something important about politics

    Thus elevating the comment from "Oooh I have a family moment and here's a nice song" to something a shade more interesting that might make a Gazette piece so I'm trying it out from different angles
    Hmm, ok. I don't agree with you though. I don't think this 'better in my day' (about music) is any different to the standard one about anything else.

    And there's nothing wrong with just sharing the family moment!
    In 30 years' time, Leon's daughter will be on here wishing her own son a happy 17th birthday and bemoaning that music isn't as good now as it was back in 2023
    Only if the AI running the country tells her it isn't as good.
    That reminds me that former Vice-President Al Gore hasn't got back to me on my suggestion he release a Hip-Hop album called AlGoreRhythm. It's a political and musical winner and my cut would only be 30%. I'll follow up with him.
    Possibly because it's a gag I made here about 12 years ago....
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,473

    Dura_Ace said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65696801

    Our drugs policy is a disaster.

    What would be your undisastrous policy?
    Looks to me like our current approach is the worst of all worlds.

    We either need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, or go all in on regulated supply and treatment rooms etc.
    When you say 'drugs', to what do you refer?
    See the BBC link that your post was replying to, for an example.
    And I raise you this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-52648026

    or this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-47341941

    or this:
    https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/10/at-least-17-dead-in-russia-after-drinking-adulterated-alcohol/

    etc, etc.

    But that actually does not answer my question. Are you saying that cannabis, heroin, MDMA, ketamine, etc should all be easily available?
    They are easily available, we just pretend they're not.
    I know where to go to get some Nurofen or a bottle of whisky. I don't know where to go to score some heroin. So 'easily available' very much depends on context.

    You could buy gear in any town in England in about 15 minutes just by asking the scraggiest people you can find on the street.
    The bus station in Uttoxeter was always *allegedly* the place when I was a teenager. But I don't know of the place around here - yet I know there are some, as there was a murder by a drug dealer five or so years ago.

    But I fear if I was to go up to the scraggiest person I can find on the street to ask them for some gear, they'll probably think I'm police...

    (On several occasions I've had people ask me if I'm police. Once in Slough when on a hike, with rucksack, once in Stepney Green where my crime was wearing a white shirt, and another outside March. I guess I just have the air. I'm unconvinced this is a good thing ...)
    I, on the other hand, went through a phase in my youth when people kept asking me if I could sell them some gear and would get quite arsy/suspicious when I said no. I was never a dealer but was obviously giving off the vibes at the time.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,881
    On the back of the sad news, my first memory of Tina Turner as the Acid Queen in 'Tommy' (probably NSFW) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdinfZKA_Fw

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,073
    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65696801

    Our drugs policy is a disaster.

    What would be your undisastrous policy?
    Looks to me like our current approach is the worst of all worlds.

    We either need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, or go all in on regulated supply and treatment rooms etc.
    When you say 'drugs', to what do you refer?
    See the BBC link that your post was replying to, for an example.
    And I raise you this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-52648026

    or this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-47341941

    or this:
    https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/10/at-least-17-dead-in-russia-after-drinking-adulterated-alcohol/

    etc, etc.

    But that actually does not answer my question. Are you saying that cannabis, heroin, MDMA, ketamine, etc should all be easily available?
    They are easily available, we just pretend they're not.
    I know where to go to get some Nurofen or a bottle of whisky. I don't know where to go to score some heroin. So 'easily available' very much depends on context.

    (I do know someone who regularly smokes cannabis. But he's a paranoid git, and so probably wouldn't tell me about his dealer even if I asked. ;)

    Your circles evidently are rather different to mine.
    Oh come on; there'll be a PB expert who will have bought from all your local dealers, and can rank them on various metrics.
    Yes, but I haven't seen @SeanT around recently. I think he may have gone abroad for the winter.
    Someone ought to do a travelogue 'Britain's Best Dealers' or somesuch. A journey through the country's underworld (although I guess it might be able to do it in a very middle-class way).
  • WestieWestie Posts: 426
    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65696801

    Our drugs policy is a disaster.

    What would be your undisastrous policy?
    Looks to me like our current approach is the worst of all worlds.

    We either need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, or go all in on regulated supply and treatment rooms etc.
    When you say 'drugs', to what do you refer?
    See the BBC link that your post was replying to, for an example.
    And I raise you this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-52648026

    or this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-47341941

    or this:
    https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/10/at-least-17-dead-in-russia-after-drinking-adulterated-alcohol/

    etc, etc.

    But that actually does not answer my question. Are you saying that cannabis, heroin, MDMA, ketamine, etc should all be easily available?
    They are easily available, we just pretend they're not.
    I know where to go to get some Nurofen or a bottle of whisky. I don't know where to go to score some heroin. So 'easily available' very much depends on context.

    (I do know someone who regularly smokes cannabis. But he's a paranoid git, and so probably wouldn't tell me about his dealer even if I asked. ;)

    Your circles evidently are rather different to mine.
    Oh come on; there'll be a PB expert who will have bought from all your local dealers, and can rank them on various metrics.
    Yes, but I haven't seen @SeanT around recently. I think he may have gone abroad for the winter.
    Does that mean he's in the southern hemisphere, or is "going abroad for the winter" a reference to some disgusting sexual practice I'm too innocent to know about?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    DougSeal said:

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter turns 17 today. A complex age for any human. And I immediately thought of the Janis Ian song, and found this exquisite live rendition on The Old Grey Whistle Test

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMUz2TNMvL0

    Just absolutely spine-tingling. Can you imagine being in that audience and hearing this LIVE for the first time. A cold clear copper bottomed masterpiece of a song. The voice, the guitar work, the immortal tune, the poignant lyrics, everything. Ah, fuck. What 'appened to music?

    Great song. Do we always have to include that hangdog 'better in my day' bit at the end though? We're the same age (ish) but my son is double 17. That's 34 (for the non accountants). It's interestingly poised now, our relationship. 62 plays 34. He has a clear edge in almost everything.
    Yes, unfortunately, we do have to include the "better in my day" bit because it is interesting. Because, for the first time in many decades, this tired old meme is provably true and says something important about politics

    Thus elevating the comment from "Oooh I have a family moment and here's a nice song" to something a shade more interesting that might make a Gazette piece so I'm trying it out from different angles
    Hmm, ok. I don't agree with you though. I don't think this 'better in my day' (about music) is any different to the standard one about anything else.

    And there's nothing wrong with just sharing the family moment!
    In 30 years' time, Leon's daughter will be on here wishing her own son a happy 17th birthday and bemoaning that music isn't as good now as it was back in 2023
    Only if the AI running the country tells her it isn't as good.
    That reminds me that former Vice-President Al Gore hasn't got back to me on my suggestion he release a Hip-Hop album called AlGoreRhythm. It's a political and musical winner and my cut would only be 30%. I'll follow up with him.
    Possibly because it's a gag I made here about 12 years ago....
    Oh. Shit. Caught again.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,576
    Cookie said:

    Very attractive, slightly posh young woman at the bar: "Hellooooo, please can I have a pint of your cheapest lager"
    Barman: "We've got Fosters at £3.80, or Estrella or Krombacher for five pounds."
    VASPYW: "I suppose it'll be Estrella then".

    Clearly Fosters not even competitive amongst those for whom cheapness is the only criterion.

    It's logical.

    You can get Fosters for free by drinking straight from the urinal.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,728
    DougSeal said:

    SKS Fans please explain

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    2h
    First Conservative lead since launching Blue Wall tracker in Oct

    Blue Wall VI (22 May):

    Conservative 34% (+2)
    Labour 33% (-3)
    Liberal Democrat 22% (-1)
    Reform 6% (+1)
    Green 3% (+1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 7 May

    Sure. SKS has managed to get the Labour Party within margin of error of leading in a set of constituencies where they came third in 2019. The fact that you need anyone to explain that to you simply marks you as terminally stupid, or that your fanaticism renders you blind to how successful SKS has been. Or likely both. Now piss off and join the Tories or the Trots.
    Alternatively...SKS's has hit a bum note with his house building programme.

    As suggested here.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,576

    murali_s said:

    SKS Fans please explain

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    2h
    First Conservative lead since launching Blue Wall tracker in Oct

    Blue Wall VI (22 May):

    Conservative 34% (+2)
    Labour 33% (-3)
    Liberal Democrat 22% (-1)
    Reform 6% (+1)
    Green 3% (+1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 7 May

    How did Jezza get on in those constituencies?
    Whataboutism

    SKS fans have zero arguments and can only resort to Yeah but Corbyn
    Yeah but Corbyn is very powerful though.

    For the record, I do think Corbyn is a rare breed, a principled politician. He was just a terrible leader.

    There is principled and then there is bat shit crazy. Anyone who would rather divorce his wife than see his son go to a Grammar school is utterly bat shit crazy.
    Corbyn is a dogmatist.

    That's actually the sign of a lack of intelligence: you insist on seeing the world in black & white because you're unable to think through the shades of grey.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,495
    Westie said:

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65696801

    Our drugs policy is a disaster.

    What would be your undisastrous policy?
    Looks to me like our current approach is the worst of all worlds.

    We either need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, or go all in on regulated supply and treatment rooms etc.
    When you say 'drugs', to what do you refer?
    See the BBC link that your post was replying to, for an example.
    And I raise you this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-52648026

    or this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-47341941

    or this:
    https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/10/at-least-17-dead-in-russia-after-drinking-adulterated-alcohol/

    etc, etc.

    But that actually does not answer my question. Are you saying that cannabis, heroin, MDMA, ketamine, etc should all be easily available?
    They are easily available, we just pretend they're not.
    I know where to go to get some Nurofen or a bottle of whisky. I don't know where to go to score some heroin. So 'easily available' very much depends on context.

    (I do know someone who regularly smokes cannabis. But he's a paranoid git, and so probably wouldn't tell me about his dealer even if I asked. ;)

    Your circles evidently are rather different to mine.
    Oh come on; there'll be a PB expert who will have bought from all your local dealers, and can rank them on various metrics.
    Yes, but I haven't seen @SeanT around recently. I think he may have gone abroad for the winter.
    Does that mean he's in the southern hemisphere, or is "going abroad for the winter" a reference to some disgusting sexual practice I'm too innocent to know about?
    That would be 'doing a broad for the winter.'
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,622

    SKS Fans please explain

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    2h
    First Conservative lead since launching Blue Wall tracker in Oct

    Blue Wall VI (22 May):

    Conservative 34% (+2)
    Labour 33% (-3)
    Liberal Democrat 22% (-1)
    Reform 6% (+1)
    Green 3% (+1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 7 May

    How did Jezza get on in those constituencies?
    Whataboutism

    SKS fans have zero arguments and can only resort to Yeah but Corbyn
    It is a valid argument. Corbyn was unelectable.
    Not that unelectable, given that the current Tory Government has implemented tax and spending plans that go further than the ones in the Corbyn manifesto.
    It wasn't Corbyn's policies that were unelectable. Many of them were very sensible. It was the man himself.
    People are unelectable until they're elected. I don't think he'd have been very good mind.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,495

    murali_s said:

    SKS Fans please explain

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    2h
    First Conservative lead since launching Blue Wall tracker in Oct

    Blue Wall VI (22 May):

    Conservative 34% (+2)
    Labour 33% (-3)
    Liberal Democrat 22% (-1)
    Reform 6% (+1)
    Green 3% (+1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 7 May

    How did Jezza get on in those constituencies?
    Whataboutism

    SKS fans have zero arguments and can only resort to Yeah but Corbyn
    Yeah but Corbyn is very powerful though.

    For the record, I do think Corbyn is a rare breed, a principled politician. He was just a terrible leader.

    There is principled and then there is bat shit crazy. Anyone who would rather divorce his wife than see his son go to a Grammar school is utterly bat shit crazy.
    Corbyn is a dogmatist.

    That's actually the sign of a lack of intelligence: you insist on seeing the world in black & white because you're unable to think through the shades of grey.
    Indeed.

    Bright people see shades of grey and thrash matters out like adults.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,728
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter turns 17 today. A complex age for any human. And I immediately thought of the Janis Ian song, and found this exquisite live rendition on The Old Grey Whistle Test

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMUz2TNMvL0

    Just absolutely spine-tingling. Can you imagine being in that audience and hearing this LIVE for the first time. A cold clear copper bottomed masterpiece of a song. The voice, the guitar work, the immortal tune, the poignant lyrics, everything. Ah, fuck. What 'appened to music?

    Great song. Do we always have to include that hangdog 'better in my day' bit at the end though? We're the same age (ish) but my son is double 17. That's 34 (for the non accountants). It's interestingly poised now, our relationship. 62 plays 34. He has a clear edge in almost everything.
    Yes, unfortunately, we do have to include the "better in my day" bit because it is interesting. Because, for the first time in many decades, this tired old meme is provably true and says something important about politics

    Thus elevating the comment from "Oooh I have a family moment and here's a nice song" to something a shade more interesting that might make a Gazette piece so I'm trying it out from different angles
    Hmm, ok. I don't agree with you though. I don't think this 'better in my day' (about music) is any different to the standard one about anything else.

    And there's nothing wrong with just sharing the family moment!
    In 30 years' time, Leon's daughter will be on here wishing her own son a happy 17th birthday and bemoaning that music isn't as good now as it was back in 2023
    Only if the AI running the country tells her it isn't as good.
    That reminds me that former Vice-President Al Gore hasn't got back to me on my suggestion he release a Hip-Hop album called AlGoreRhythm. It's a political and musical winner and my cut would only be 30%. I'll follow up with him.
    Possibly because it's a gag I made here about 12 years ago....
    Oh. Shit. Caught again.
    Don't feel too bad. Al Gore didn't get back to me either.....
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,415

    SKS Fans please explain

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    2h
    First Conservative lead since launching Blue Wall tracker in Oct

    Blue Wall VI (22 May):

    Conservative 34% (+2)
    Labour 33% (-3)
    Liberal Democrat 22% (-1)
    Reform 6% (+1)
    Green 3% (+1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 7 May

    How did Jezza get on in those constituencies?
    Whataboutism

    SKS fans have zero arguments and can only resort to Yeah but Corbyn
    It is a valid argument. Corbyn was unelectable.
    Not that unelectable, given that the current Tory Government has implemented tax and spending plans that go further than the ones in the Corbyn manifesto.
    It wasn't Corbyn's policies that were unelectable. Many of them were very sensible. It was the man himself.
    People are unelectable until they're elected. I don't think he'd have been very good mind.
    Oddly, I think he would have handled the pandemic well.

    The rest I am less sure about.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,761

    SKS Fans please explain

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    2h
    First Conservative lead since launching Blue Wall tracker in Oct

    Blue Wall VI (22 May):

    Conservative 34% (+2)
    Labour 33% (-3)
    Liberal Democrat 22% (-1)
    Reform 6% (+1)
    Green 3% (+1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 7 May

    How did Jezza get on in those constituencies?
    Whataboutism

    SKS fans have zero arguments and can only resort to Yeah but Corbyn
    It is a valid argument. Corbyn was unelectable.
    Not that unelectable, given that the current Tory Government has implemented tax and spending plans that go further than the ones in the Corbyn manifesto.
    It wasn't Corbyn's policies that were unelectable. Many of them were very sensible. It was the man himself.
    Nonsense. His friendship with Israel's enemies was enough in its own right to.make him unelectable.
    Well yes but you prove my point. His policies (as per the 2017 and 2019 Labour manifestos) were not unelectable but the man himself - his behaviors, his beliefs - he himself was unelectable.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,881

    Cookie said:

    Very attractive, slightly posh young woman at the bar: "Hellooooo, please can I have a pint of your cheapest lager"
    Barman: "We've got Fosters at £3.80, or Estrella or Krombacher for five pounds."
    VASPYW: "I suppose it'll be Estrella then".

    Clearly Fosters not even competitive amongst those for whom cheapness is the only criterion.

    It's logical.

    You can get Fosters for free by drinking straight from the urinal.
    As far as I remember, David Lynch took great delight in taking advertising money from Heineken while funding 'Blue Velvet' (in return for the main character drinking it) - but then filmed him having a 'robust' pee in the bar urinal and uttering 'Ah! Heineken!'.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    DougSeal said:

    SKS Fans please explain

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    2h
    First Conservative lead since launching Blue Wall tracker in Oct

    Blue Wall VI (22 May):

    Conservative 34% (+2)
    Labour 33% (-3)
    Liberal Democrat 22% (-1)
    Reform 6% (+1)
    Green 3% (+1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 7 May

    Sure. SKS has managed to get the Labour Party within margin of error of leading in a set of constituencies where they came third in 2019. The fact that you need anyone to explain that to you simply marks you as terminally stupid, or that your fanaticism renders you blind to how successful SKS has been. Or likely both. Now piss off and join the Tories or the Trots.
    Alternatively...SKS's has hit a bum note with his house building programme.

    As suggested here.
    Then why is he polling so well compared to previous leaders?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,576
    I saw something suspicious on the tube tonight.

    A guy with a beard and a kufi muttering prayers to himself looking slightly nervous whilst clutching a rucksack on his lap.

    Did I say anything? Did I "see it, say it, sorted" ?

    No. I got off at the next station and breathed a sigh of relief. Why? Because there was a 99%+ chance he was just religious and praying to himself but a much higher chance of me being bracketed a racist for reporting it.

    How many others do the same?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,576

    The Tories are falling apart, according to Sky News.
    Thoughts with Big G at this time.

    10:02 - Jackie Doyle-Price: FFS - who on earth is spouting this bonkersness? Are you determined to turn our party into a skip fire?
    10:03 - Anne-Marie Trevelyan: ☝ what Jackie said
    10:06 - Sally-Ann Hart: WTF.
    10:07 - Kevin Foster: Spot on Jackie
    10:15 - Simon Hoare: would the last Tory MP to leave the building please turn off the lights. The nonsense, self-destroying crap has to end or our Party dies.
    10:19 - James Sunderland: These emerging groups, leaks and briefings to the media are helping none of us. All of us already belong to the most successful political grouping ever - It's called the Conservative Party.
    10:29 - Andrea Jenkyns: I don't like leakers, I prefer to say things to peoples face. However it is interesting some of those commenting were happy to speak out publicly against the Boris and Liz administrations. So maybe less sanctimony and hypocrisy. Clearly many in the party are unhappy. But those at the top are not doing anything about this to bring people together.
    10:29 - Robert Goodwill: There are two very simple rules that must be applied in all situations. 1) Does what I say or do make it more or less likely that we will win the General Election? If the answer is yes then do it, if no then don't. 2) Off the record briefings - see above.
    10:32 - Craig Mackinlay: Good advice Sir RG. Never do blue on blue no matter how annoyed one might be.

    So it was Andrea Jenkyns then.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,761
    edited May 2023
    Someone should have told DeSantis he was launching his campaign today - he could have got his biography ready for the website:

    https://www.flgov.com/meet-governor-desantis/
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,835

    ping said:

    ping said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65696801

    Our drugs policy is a disaster.

    What would be your undisastrous policy?
    Looks to me like our current approach is the worst of all worlds.

    We either need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, or go all in on regulated supply and treatment rooms etc.
    You don't necessarily need international agreement to go full on war on drugs, but you do need a societal consensus to implement very tough penalties as in Singapore.
    Why penalise people for doing something that they enjoy and harms nobody but (possibly) themselves?
    I know a guy quite well, let's call him OnlyLovingBoy, who went out to see the Orb in Brixton on Saturday night with a load of other centrist dads, then went to a house party and danced until after 3am, helped along the way by some MDMA - overcoming the male loneliness epidemic, supporting the arts and local venues, and getting well over his 10,000 steps while engaging in some mild cardio exercise. What's not to like about any of that? Sounds better than living in Singapore.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Cookie said:

    Very attractive, slightly posh young woman at the bar: "Hellooooo, please can I have a pint of your cheapest lager"
    Barman: "We've got Fosters at £3.80, or Estrella or Krombacher for five pounds."
    VASPYW: "I suppose it'll be Estrella then".

    Clearly Fosters not even competitive amongst those for whom cheapness is the only criterion.

    It's logical.

    You can get Fosters for free by drinking straight from the urinal.
    We had a drinks do at work yesterday where the only beer was Corona. I had to be dissuaded from resigning there and then.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,881

    I saw something suspicious on the tube tonight.

    A guy with a beard and a kufi muttering prayers to himself looking slightly nervous whilst clutching a rucksack on his lap.

    Did I say anything? Did I "see it, say it, sorted" ?

    No. I got off at the next station and breathed a sigh of relief. Why? Because there was a 99%+ chance he was just religious and praying to himself but a much higher chance of me being bracketed a racist for reporting it.

    How many others do the same?

    I remember back in the late 80s or early 90s being on a train and a guy with a broad Irish accent chatting away about bombs. He got off the train and left his suitcase behind on the seat. We all got off at the next stop.

    Pretty sure he was just f**king with us all - but...
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,073

    SKS Fans please explain

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies
    @RedfieldWilton
    ·
    2h
    First Conservative lead since launching Blue Wall tracker in Oct

    Blue Wall VI (22 May):

    Conservative 34% (+2)
    Labour 33% (-3)
    Liberal Democrat 22% (-1)
    Reform 6% (+1)
    Green 3% (+1)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 7 May

    How did Jezza get on in those constituencies?
    Whataboutism

    SKS fans have zero arguments and can only resort to Yeah but Corbyn
    It is a valid argument. Corbyn was unelectable.
    Not that unelectable, given that the current Tory Government has implemented tax and spending plans that go further than the ones in the Corbyn manifesto.
    It wasn't Corbyn's policies that were unelectable. Many of them were very sensible. It was the man himself.
    People are unelectable until they're elected. I don't think he'd have been very good mind.
    Oddly, I think he would have handled the pandemic well.

    The rest I am less sure about.
    Why? He refused to say whether he had been vaccinated or not.

    And yes, that's a private medical matter. But it was really important to get people vaccinated, and if people saw top politicians not admitting to getting vaccinated, it would have given the anti-vaxxers heavy boxes of ammunition.

    "So PM Corbyn, you are saying that everyone should be vaccinated."
    "Yes."
    "Have you been vaccinated?"
    "That's a personal matter."
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