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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,967
    Good morning, everyone.

    For the record, Mr. JohnL, I am not Yevgeny Prigozhin.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,266

    Pulpstar said:

    1991 looks to me to have been an astonishingly strong year for albums

    https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/albums_by_year/albums_1991.html

    That looks like quite a good site, haven't seen that one before.

    So I have 15 albums from the 1991 list and 6 from the 2022 list.

    Have thirteen albums from 2023 to date, top 5 so far are Lana Del Rey, Freya Ridings, Boygenius, Gabrielle Aplin and Jessie Ware - looking forward to new albums from Arlo Parks (out tomorrow), Noel Gallagher, Maisie Peters, The Japanese House, Blur, and Jorja Smith.

    Currently listening to the Talking Heads albums for the first time :smile:
    That's the first time anyone has specified any new artists! Thanks.

    I don't know any of them, I don't think. Except Noel Gallagher.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    edited May 2023
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    There no one more stupid than someone who thinks they are clever.

    Exhibit A - Dominic Cummings.
    This meme is ridiculous. Cummings is obviously and genuinely clever

    He may be a nasty bully, absurd Brexiteer, misguided loon, and whatever, but all the available evidence says he is obviously a bright spark.

    I detest this tendency to demean the intelligence of those we politically oppose

    I disagree with these people entirely - sometimes almost violently - but I can recognise the intelligence on the British Left of:

    Owen Jones
    John McDonnell
    Marina Hyde
    Nicola Sturgeon
    NPXMPX3


    He really, really isn't.

    And that's based on observing him and his mistakes, incompetence and lack of ability to grasp any concept beyond a very basic level over many years in several areas.

    He gives the impression to the uninitiated of great intellect because of his smoothness and verbosity, but strip it away and there's never any substance.

    This is of course why he's been a failure in every role he's had.

    He's not alone. Tristram Hunt is similarly lightweight but fools many who are even stupider with his urbanity.
    This is bloody absurd

    He won


    The Northen indy referendum
    The campaign against the euro
    The EU referendum
    The 2019 election which, with its big Boris majority, confirmed Brexit
    To run through these in turn:

    He worked on the North East Assembly referendum campaign for two days and came up with one slogan. The think tank he was running as part of it went bankrupt six months later because it could get no work.

    He had nothing to do with the campaign against the Euro. That was Brown.

    The EU referendum, again, he came up with one slogan. It was wrong.

    For the 2019 election, he came up with a number of slogans but not a single policy that has been successfully implemented.

    While chief of staff, he made innumerable embarrassing mistakes including stealing a phone, breaking lockdown, misunderstanding recruitment procedures and constantly leaking misinformation about himself to the press.

    And that’s even before I get on to his failed commercial ventures or the disasters he wrought at the DfE.

    He claims a much bigger role for himself than he had in all of these things I’m not sure whether that’s dishonesty or whether his self-delusion genuinely extends to the ability to rewrite his past to make himself seem more brilliant.

    The issue is he’s not that bright, but he puts out propaganda claiming he is. Unfortunately Gove and Johnson were taken in by it.

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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    edited May 2023
    Ship grounded in Suez Canal now refloated https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65705317

    Ugh. That’s going to cause problems even though the Egyptians seem to have acted pretty fast.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,967
    OT but this is great gaming news, with the trailer for Dragon's Dogma 2:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpNpF3KkucY
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,886

    kle4 said:

    So cringey - please tell us more about Twitter, the boss is watching.

    The first question to DeSantis after his scripted opening pitch comes from the host, David Sacks.

    He asks DeSantis why he chose to make his announcement over Twitter Spaces instead of a more conventional route, like cable news or a rally.


    This is pretty funny though.

    "Twitter was expensive but free speech is priceless," [Musk] says, about his purchase of the tech platform after DeSantis compliments him on buying it.

    That must be why he tried to pull out of the deal entirely, either because he didn't want to buy it, or as a tactic to bargain down the price, which didn't work. Genius.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65676382

    Musk sacked 80 per cent of Twitter staff and it still worked perfectly. Well, not quite perfectly, as shown tonight, but a nod's as good as a wink to a Twitter outage.
    I think DeSantis's announcement last night shows that Twitter is not working perfectly well... ;)
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109

    kle4 said:

    So cringey - please tell us more about Twitter, the boss is watching.

    The first question to DeSantis after his scripted opening pitch comes from the host, David Sacks.

    He asks DeSantis why he chose to make his announcement over Twitter Spaces instead of a more conventional route, like cable news or a rally.


    This is pretty funny though.

    "Twitter was expensive but free speech is priceless," [Musk] says, about his purchase of the tech platform after DeSantis compliments him on buying it.

    That must be why he tried to pull out of the deal entirely, either because he didn't want to buy it, or as a tactic to bargain down the price, which didn't work. Genius.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65676382

    Musk sacked 80 per cent of Twitter staff and it still worked perfectly. Well, not quite perfectly, as shown tonight, but a nod's as good as a wink to a Twitter outage.
    I think DeSantis's announcement last night shows that Twitter is not working perfectly well... ;)
    I don’t know. Given his launch was a car crash as a result I would say it’s working beautifully.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,967
    On Haley: I backed her... last time, I think it was, at 50/1. Always rather poor at assessing overseas things of this nature, but might put a little bit on.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,349
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    So cringey - please tell us more about Twitter, the boss is watching.

    The first question to DeSantis after his scripted opening pitch comes from the host, David Sacks.

    He asks DeSantis why he chose to make his announcement over Twitter Spaces instead of a more conventional route, like cable news or a rally.


    This is pretty funny though.

    "Twitter was expensive but free speech is priceless," [Musk] says, about his purchase of the tech platform after DeSantis compliments him on buying it.

    That must be why he tried to pull out of the deal entirely, either because he didn't want to buy it, or as a tactic to bargain down the price, which didn't work. Genius.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65676382

    Musk sacked 80 per cent of Twitter staff and it still worked perfectly. Well, not quite perfectly, as shown tonight, but a nod's as good as a wink to a Twitter outage.
    I think DeSantis's announcement last night shows that Twitter is not working perfectly well... ;)
    I don’t know. Given his launch was a car crash as a result I would say it’s working beautifully.
    Must have been a woke virus that crashed things.

    A pitiful 500k viewers, and excruciating absence of sense if humour or thinking on his feet as things went wrong.
    He's a crap performer when unscripted. His debate performance - if he turns up - could be embarrassing.

    If not a lay, then certainly not one to put money on. (Advice several right wing billionaires ought to have followed.)
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,284
    In which country do sheep fall from the sky?

    Bahrain.
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    SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 591
    Ghedebrav said:

    Leave you with this: two icons being glorious together, now passed.

    https://youtu.be/Of1HV4b0ccg

    That made me cry.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,284
    Normal behaviour for cops.

    A Nazi-themed poster of skinheads displaying swastikas was fixed to a wall by police officers working in a “racist” unit at the Dorset force, a misconduct hearing was told.

    One PC allegedly called a black motorist a “c**n” while on duty. Another is accused of humiliating a junior colleague to the point where he felt suicidal.

    Inspector Nicholas Mantle, PC Mark Jordan-Gill, PC Michael Lowther, PC Matthew Young and PC Paul Perdrisat allegedly fostered a culture of “racist, misogynistic and homophobic’ behaviour while serving in Dorset police’s force support group based in Bournemouth, the hearing was told.

    The unit deals with outbreaks of public disorder in the town centre.

    They are also accused of posting pornographic, misogynistic and racist messages in a WhatsApp group called “The Real FSG”. Four officers attended the hearing but all five deny the allegations of gross misconduct.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bournemouth-police-unit-had-nazi-themed-poster-on-the-wall-bn5r0p970
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109

    In which country do sheep fall from the sky?

    Bahrain.

    Are ewe trying to pun again?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,284
    ydoethur said:

    In which country do sheep fall from the sky?

    Bahrain.

    Are ewe trying to pun again?
    My puns are utterly magnificent.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109

    ydoethur said:

    In which country do sheep fall from the sky?

    Bahrain.

    Are ewe trying to pun again?
    My puns are utterly magnificent.
    That one struck me as lambentable.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    ydoethur said:

    In which country do sheep fall from the sky?

    Bahrain.

    Are ewe trying to pun again?
    He's not pulling the wool over my eyes.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,349
    felix said:

    ydoethur said:

    In which country do sheep fall from the sky?

    Bahrain.

    Are ewe trying to pun again?
    He's not pulling the wool over my eyes.
    He did ram that one down our throats, and no one's flocking to his defence.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,349

    ydoethur said:

    In which country do sheep fall from the sky?

    Bahrain.

    Are ewe trying to pun again?
    My puns are utterly magnificent.
    Not feeling sheepish ?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,842

    Normal behaviour for cops.

    A Nazi-themed poster of skinheads displaying swastikas was fixed to a wall by police officers working in a “racist” unit at the Dorset force, a misconduct hearing was told.

    One PC allegedly called a black motorist a “c**n” while on duty. Another is accused of humiliating a junior colleague to the point where he felt suicidal.

    Inspector Nicholas Mantle, PC Mark Jordan-Gill, PC Michael Lowther, PC Matthew Young and PC Paul Perdrisat allegedly fostered a culture of “racist, misogynistic and homophobic’ behaviour while serving in Dorset police’s force support group based in Bournemouth, the hearing was told.

    The unit deals with outbreaks of public disorder in the town centre.

    They are also accused of posting pornographic, misogynistic and racist messages in a WhatsApp group called “The Real FSG”. Four officers attended the hearing but all five deny the allegations of gross misconduct.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bournemouth-police-unit-had-nazi-themed-poster-on-the-wall-bn5r0p970

    How are the more junior police supposed to behave, wehen even the Superintendent is up for rape and ABH?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12122187/Police-superintendent-honoured-Queen-appears-court-charged-four-counts-rape.html

    Supt Mo Aziz, 48, also faces two counts of causing actual bodily harm, coercive and controlling behaviour, causing a female to engage in sexual activity and two of disclosing or threatening to disclose private sexual photographs or films with intent to cause distress.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,692
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    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    There no one more stupid than someone who thinks they are clever.

    Exhibit A - Dominic Cummings.
    This meme is ridiculous. Cummings is obviously and genuinely clever

    He may be a nasty bully, absurd Brexiteer, misguided loon, and whatever, but all the available evidence says he is obviously a bright spark.

    I detest this tendency to demean the intelligence of those we politically oppose

    I disagree with these people entirely - sometimes almost violently - but I can recognise the intelligence on the British Left of:

    Owen Jones
    John McDonnell
    Marina Hyde
    Nicola Sturgeon
    NPXMPX3


    He really, really isn't.

    And that's based on observing him and his mistakes, incompetence and lack of ability to grasp any concept beyond a very basic level over many years in several areas.

    He gives the impression to the uninitiated of great intellect because of his smoothness and verbosity, but strip it away and there's never any substance.

    This is of course why he's been a failure in every role he's had.

    He's not alone. Tristram Hunt is similarly lightweight but fools many who are even stupider with his urbanity.
    This is bloody absurd

    He won


    The Northen indy referendum
    The campaign against the euro
    The EU referendum
    The 2019 election which, with its big Boris majority, confirmed Brexit
    To run through these in turn:

    He worked on the North East Assembly referendum campaign for two days and came up with one slogan. The think tank he was running as part of it went bankrupt six months later because it could get no work.

    He had nothing to do with the campaign against the Euro. That was Brown.

    The EU referendum, again, he came up with one slogan. It was wrong.

    For the 2019 election, he came up with a number of slogans but not a single policy that has been successfully implemented.

    While chief of staff, he made innumerable embarrassing mistakes including stealing a phone, breaking lockdown, misunderstanding recruitment procedures and constantly leaking misinformation about himself to the press.

    And that’s even before I get on to his failed commercial ventures or the disasters he wrought at the DfE.

    He claims a much bigger role for himself than he had in all of these things I’m not sure whether that’s dishonesty or whether his self-delusion genuinely extends to the ability to rewrite his past to make himself seem more brilliant.

    The issue is he’s not that bright, but he puts out propaganda claiming he is. Unfortunately Gove and Johnson were taken in by it.

    Cummings is a skillful project manager, which means he is very good at marshalling people and resources (and messages in his case) to deliver a result. As a sometimes PM I recognise his skill and would be happy for him lead a project if I could cope with his personality.

    He should be let nowhere near policy and his blogs are drivel.
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,288
    Andy_JS said:

    The golden era of pop started in 1956.
    Heartbreak Hotel, January 56.

    I don’t know when it ended, I’d moot sometime in the mid 2000s, but I’m not sure when.

    Of course there is still good music being made (just as there was before 1956), but it no longer has the ability to deliver or embody widespread cultural change.

    1997/98 I'd say.
    Agree on Heartbreak Hotel.

    Wasn't American Pie 1971 an an elegy on the death of great pop music and arguably the last truly great single to become a number one hit?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,266
    SandraMc said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Leave you with this: two icons being glorious together, now passed.

    https://youtu.be/Of1HV4b0ccg

    That made me cry.
    That's a great clip.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,349
    Definitely didn't happen, then..

    Russia denies fire at Ministry of Defense, says state media
    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/05/24/europe/fire-moscow-ministry-defense-intl/index.html
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    RattersRatters Posts: 775

    Pulpstar said:

    1991 looks to me to have been an astonishingly strong year for albums

    https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/albums_by_year/albums_1991.html

    That looks like quite a good site, haven't seen that one before.

    So I have 15 albums from the 1991 list and 6 from the 2022 list.

    Have thirteen albums from 2023 to date, top 5 so far are Lana Del Rey, Freya Ridings, Boygenius, Gabrielle Aplin and Jessie Ware - looking forward to new albums from Arlo Parks (out tomorrow), Noel Gallagher, Maisie Peters, The Japanese House, Blur, and Jorja Smith.

    Currently listening to the Talking Heads albums for the first time :smile:
    I also really like the albums you mentioned. I would also recommend the latest albums by Young Fathers and Caroline Polachek released this year.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,216
    FF43 said:

    ..

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    There no one more stupid than someone who thinks they are clever.

    Exhibit A - Dominic Cummings.
    This meme is ridiculous. Cummings is obviously and genuinely clever

    He may be a nasty bully, absurd Brexiteer, misguided loon, and whatever, but all the available evidence says he is obviously a bright spark.

    I detest this tendency to demean the intelligence of those we politically oppose

    I disagree with these people entirely - sometimes almost violently - but I can recognise the intelligence on the British Left of:

    Owen Jones
    John McDonnell
    Marina Hyde
    Nicola Sturgeon
    NPXMPX3


    He really, really isn't.

    And that's based on observing him and his mistakes, incompetence and lack of ability to grasp any concept beyond a very basic level over many years in several areas.

    He gives the impression to the uninitiated of great intellect because of his smoothness and verbosity, but strip it away and there's never any substance.

    This is of course why he's been a failure in every role he's had.

    He's not alone. Tristram Hunt is similarly lightweight but fools many who are even stupider with his urbanity.
    This is bloody absurd

    He won


    The Northen indy referendum
    The campaign against the euro
    The EU referendum
    The 2019 election which, with its big Boris majority, confirmed Brexit
    To run through these in turn:

    He worked on the North East Assembly referendum campaign for two days and came up with one slogan. The think tank he was running as part of it went bankrupt six months later because it could get no work.

    He had nothing to do with the campaign against the Euro. That was Brown.

    The EU referendum, again, he came up with one slogan. It was wrong.

    For the 2019 election, he came up with a number of slogans but not a single policy that has been successfully implemented.

    While chief of staff, he made innumerable embarrassing mistakes including stealing a phone, breaking lockdown, misunderstanding recruitment procedures and constantly leaking misinformation about himself to the press.

    And that’s even before I get on to his failed commercial ventures or the disasters he wrought at the DfE.

    He claims a much bigger role for himself than he had in all of these things I’m not sure whether that’s dishonesty or whether his self-delusion genuinely extends to the ability to rewrite his past to make himself seem more brilliant.

    The issue is he’s not that bright, but he puts out propaganda claiming he is. Unfortunately Gove and Johnson were taken in by it.

    Cummings is a skillful project manager, which means he is very good at marshalling people and resources (and messages in his case) to deliver a result. As a sometimes PM I recognise his skill and would be happy for him lead a project if I could cope with his personality.

    He should be let nowhere near policy and his blogs are drivel.
    No he's not.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,084
    I wonder if anyone has any other information on this story? Seems incredible that the mining can continue without any legal authority to do so. Hard not to juxtapose this non-application of the law with the casual way in which people who were doing nothing wrong were arrested at the time of the coronation.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/25/digging-continues-at-controversial-south-wales-mine-months-after-licence-expires
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,349
    *Everything* has to go your way to win a prez race

    Just ask the 100+ people who have run in past 25+ years, vs the four who have been sworn in.

    Not everything is going Ron DeSantis's way.

    (The candidate I worked for had everything go his way in 1976—and won. Not in 1980.)

    https://twitter.com/JamesFallows/status/1661592511171956747
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,288

    SandraMc said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Leave you with this: two icons being glorious together, now passed.

    https://youtu.be/Of1HV4b0ccg

    That made me cry.
    That's a great clip.
    Never seen that before.

    Jaw-dropping.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,349
    Fitch places triple A-rated US debt on rating watch negative “we believe risks have risen that the debt limit will not be raised or suspended before the x-date and consequently that the government could begin to miss payments on some of its obligations. The brinkmanship over the debt ceiling, failure of the U.S. authorities to meaningfully tackle medium-term fiscal challenges that will lead to rising budget deficits and a growing debt burden signal downside risks to U.S. creditworthiness”
    https://twitter.com/SaraEisen/status/1661509563638759424
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,176
    Morning all! Lets all enjoy the spectacle of today's *legal* migration numbers and the mouth-foaming from a right wing. "We're not racists" they insist, they just want all foreigners to go away. Which isn't racism, its jingoism, bigotry, false patriotism where the Empire still dominates the world, all that bollocks.

    Starmer's attack on this yesterday was clever, because it calls out the hypocrisy. What may be less clever is that it doesn't face into the reality that much of the WWC red wall vote is as I describe - jingoist and bigoted. They don't want anyone who isn't them living there, never mind people who speak funny.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,849
    @MrHarryCole
    The Prime Minister will respond to thirteen years of abject government failure on migration pledges… from the This Morning sofa.

    @MrHarryCole
    Now foreign fishermen will be invited to man British boats amid a major skills shortage - as the Government’s migration promises lie in tatters…
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,918
    IanB2 said:

    FF43 said:

    ..

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    There no one more stupid than someone who thinks they are clever.

    Exhibit A - Dominic Cummings.
    This meme is ridiculous. Cummings is obviously and genuinely clever

    He may be a nasty bully, absurd Brexiteer, misguided loon, and whatever, but all the available evidence says he is obviously a bright spark.

    I detest this tendency to demean the intelligence of those we politically oppose

    I disagree with these people entirely - sometimes almost violently - but I can recognise the intelligence on the British Left of:

    Owen Jones
    John McDonnell
    Marina Hyde
    Nicola Sturgeon
    NPXMPX3


    He really, really isn't.

    And that's based on observing him and his mistakes, incompetence and lack of ability to grasp any concept beyond a very basic level over many years in several areas.

    He gives the impression to the uninitiated of great intellect because of his smoothness and verbosity, but strip it away and there's never any substance.

    This is of course why he's been a failure in every role he's had.

    He's not alone. Tristram Hunt is similarly lightweight but fools many who are even stupider with his urbanity.
    This is bloody absurd

    He won


    The Northen indy referendum
    The campaign against the euro
    The EU referendum
    The 2019 election which, with its big Boris majority, confirmed Brexit
    To run through these in turn:

    He worked on the North East Assembly referendum campaign for two days and came up with one slogan. The think tank he was running as part of it went bankrupt six months later because it could get no work.

    He had nothing to do with the campaign against the Euro. That was Brown.

    The EU referendum, again, he came up with one slogan. It was wrong.

    For the 2019 election, he came up with a number of slogans but not a single policy that has been successfully implemented.

    While chief of staff, he made innumerable embarrassing mistakes including stealing a phone, breaking lockdown, misunderstanding recruitment procedures and constantly leaking misinformation about himself to the press.

    And that’s even before I get on to his failed commercial ventures or the disasters he wrought at the DfE.

    He claims a much bigger role for himself than he had in all of these things I’m not sure whether that’s dishonesty or whether his self-delusion genuinely extends to the ability to rewrite his past to make himself seem more brilliant.

    The issue is he’s not that bright, but he puts out propaganda claiming he is. Unfortunately Gove and Johnson were taken in by it.

    Cummings is a skillful project manager, which means he is very good at marshalling people and resources (and messages in his case) to deliver a result. As a sometimes PM I recognise his skill and would be happy for him lead a project if I could cope with his personality.

    He should be let nowhere near policy and his blogs are drivel.
    No he's not.
    Quite a good self-publicist though!

    And Good Morning to you all!
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    This thread has

    driven to Barnard Castle to test its eyesight.

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    nico679nico679 Posts: 4,726
    Can the Tories find a dead cat before 9.30 am .

    It was jaw dropping yesterday to see Sunak accusing Starmer of wanting an open door immigration policy . The Tories certainly can’t go into the next general election with net migration running at 500,000 plus so I expect student numbers to be removed and lots of other measures announced !

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,125
    Scott_xP said:

    @MrHarryCole
    The Prime Minister will respond to thirteen years of abject government failure on migration pledges… from the This Morning sofa.

    @MrHarryCole
    Now foreign fishermen will be invited to man British boats amid a major skills shortage - as the Government’s migration promises lie in tatters…

    For the nth time it is not the migration policy that is in tatters. It is our serious failure to train and invest in people in this country over the last couple of decades. I begin to wonder if membership of the SM and freedom of movement was the sole cause of this catastrophe. Did we train our young people to do anything useful at all when it was so easy to import labour from abroad?

    The lack of skilled, trained labour is so severe that we cannot blame it on freedom of movement alone. Governments of both stripes did not do nearly enough to encourage training and our further education establishments have also taken their eye off the ball. Much to do.
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,987
    edited May 2023
    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @MrHarryCole
    The Prime Minister will respond to thirteen years of abject government failure on migration pledges… from the This Morning sofa.

    @MrHarryCole
    Now foreign fishermen will be invited to man British boats amid a major skills shortage - as the Government’s migration promises lie in tatters…

    For the nth time it is not the migration policy that is in tatters. It is our serious failure to train and invest in people in this country over the last couple of decades. I begin to wonder if membership of the SM and freedom of movement was the sole cause of this catastrophe. Did we train our young people to do anything useful at all when it was so easy to import labour from abroad?

    The lack of skilled, trained labour is so severe that we cannot blame it on freedom of movement alone. Governments of both stripes did not do nearly enough to encourage training and our further education establishments have also taken their eye off the ball. Much to do.
    ...training people to pick apples and care for old people and fish? And fill shelves and drive taxis.
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    WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,503
    edited May 2023
    Morning all, as mentioned ad nauseam, Germany has a much higher -training, higher-skills economy than us, and has added about 2 million people in the last two years.

    The debate on R4 this morning is woefully full of soundbites, simplicities and over-simple oppositions.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,572
    This evening MPs are expected to approve a 30 day ban from the Commons for Margaret Ferrier, who broke Covid rules.
    A recall petition will be triggered in Rutherglen and Hamilton West and a by-election could be looming.


    https://twitter.com/stvkathryn/status/1661635964823904256
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,135

    Andy_JS said:

    The golden era of pop started in 1956.
    Heartbreak Hotel, January 56.

    I don’t know when it ended, I’d moot sometime in the mid 2000s, but I’m not sure when.

    Of course there is still good music being made (just as there was before 1956), but it no longer has the ability to deliver or embody widespread cultural change.

    1997/98 I'd say.
    Agree on Heartbreak Hotel.

    Wasn't American Pie 1971 an an elegy on the death of great pop music and arguably the last truly great single to become a number one hit?
    It referred to Buddy Holly's (et al) death in 1959. We had a minute's silence in the woodwork class.
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