A 25% swing from Leave puts Remain on 73% and a 46% lead over Leave – politicalbetting.com
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With Graham Norton presenting this part of the show, couldn't we have had ChatGPT and a voice synthesiser doing Terry Wogan?0
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No. This is the farcical bit. The jury votes take ages, then at the end they just say, "Right, we're adding the public vote in one dump and therefore the entire table changes."Andy_JS said:Are these the jury and public votes combined?
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It's bad politics. Don't understand the decision.rcs1000 said:
I'm thinking short-term. There's an election in 18 months time, why would Labour propose any policy that would horrify a lot of people, while not enthusing even their own supporters.CatMan said:
Surely most EU citizens who live in the UK aren't going to vote Tory though, are they?rcs1000 said:
It's very odd: there aren't any obvious votes in it, and (lest we forget) it's not like EU citizens (other than the Irish and the Maltese) had a vote in our General Elections in the past.williamglenn said:
That could be a big political mistake. It's more toxic than promising to bring back EU movement beause it goes to the heart of how we define the demos.Dialup said:https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1657488045623443460
Labour to give EU citizens the vote #TomorrowsPapersToday
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Never watched Game of Thrones then? Shame....londonpubman said:Isn't Hannah Waddingham fabulous? I had never heard of her until a few weeks ago
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How many was it Ukraine got last year with that, 400 or so?williamglenn said:
No, these are just jury votes. They do the public vote afterwards in one go.Andy_JS said:Are these the jury and public votes combined?
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Only TWO measly points from Ireland!1
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Eurovision No Contest.....0
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Is Loreen = Keir? I'm not sure!0
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Makes it much more exciting though. You can’t be sure who’s won till the end.TheValiant said:
No. This is the farcical bit. The jury votes take ages, then at the end they just say, "Right, we're adding the public vote in one dump and therefore the entire table changes."Andy_JS said:Are these the jury and public votes combined?
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No, but it is Liverpool, so all sorts of voting inconsistencies could be on the cards.Andy_JS said:Are these the jury and public votes combined?
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Surely it would make sense to do it the other way round? Jury votes all in one go, and public votes more slowly.TheValiant said:
No. This is the farcical bit. The jury votes take ages, then at the end they just say, "Right, we're adding the public vote in one dump and therefore the entire table changes."Andy_JS said:Are these the jury and public votes combined?
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Welcome new poster 👍CorrectHorseBat said:
No. Just jury.Andy_JS said:Are these the jury and public votes combined?
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As it’s UK, they must use voter ID.Mexicanpete said:...
No, but it is Liverpool, so all sorts of voting inconsistencies could be on the cards.Andy_JS said:Are these the jury and public votes combined?
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Not sure we are going to win this time0
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I saw her at Chichester years ago in "Kiss Me Kate."londonpubman said:Isn't Hannah Waddingham fabulous? I had never heard of her until a few weeks ago
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Immigration remains a big issue, even more so in terms of non EU migration, post Brexit and that is where RefUK could squeeze under PR like rightwing European populist parties do. Squeezing the same type of white working class voters who might vote for Meloni or Le Pen or the AfD or indeed Trump in the US and voted for UKIP and Boris hereMexicanpete said:
I am aware of all of that, but there was something unique happening during the Brexit years. That is not to say that won't happen again, but I believe Conservatives will not be in Government for all but 24 of the next 71 (going on 73) yearsHYUFD said:
Not necessarily, in 2015 UKIP got 13%, as Labour got only 30% and the Tories 37% much of the UKIP vote came from Labour's traditional working class vote. They are the type of voters who voted UKIP in 2015, Labour or the Tories in 2017, for Boris and the Conservatives in 2019 and are now voting Labour again but could easily go to RefUK with PRMexicanpete said:
Yes but probably at the expense of the Tories.HYUFD said:
Plus RefUK would win 10-15% of MPs under PR and be likely coalition partners for the ToriesCasino_Royale said:
You're not thinking straight.Mexicanpete said:
Uncoalitionable Tories.Casino_Royale said:
What makes you say that?Mexicanpete said:
If he wants to stay PM for evah he is best going with PR.Casino_Royale said:
Starmer knows he will shed votes in office so is planning now to expand his coalition.StillWaters said:
Surely we are going to hear lots of complaints about trying to fix the electorate?Dialup said:https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1657488045623443460
Labour to give EU citizens the vote #TomorrowsPapersToday
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Or may be this will be a reciprocal deal with the EU so that UK citizens in Europe get to vote too?
P S. He hasn't won yet.
I'd say it'd make it easier for him to lose office.
Remember: whatever happens 40% of the country are centre-right and there are very many more mechanisms that can tell under PR.
Lib Dems and Greens won't be willing Labour lackies for long and, even if they are, in totality won't maintain 60% of the vote in aggregate either.0 -
This is Eurovision. Sense doesn't come into it.Andy_JS said:
Surely it would make sense to do it the other way round? Jury votes all in one go, and public votes more slowly.TheValiant said:
No. This is the farcical bit. The jury votes take ages, then at the end they just say, "Right, we're adding the public vote in one dump and therefore the entire table changes."Andy_JS said:Are these the jury and public votes combined?
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Was yesterday's Judges show different to tonight's TV show? Some odd votes so far.0
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The UK's presenter from 1982 is still around and taking an interest in the show.
"Jan Leeming
@Jan_Leeming
Thank you very much. Am now getting quite excited and a teeny bit nervous. Been out and about in gloriously sunny Liverpool. Amazing that some people have recognised my voice as I was talking to friends. 😀"
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4 points from Finland!0
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Seems better to me for the public to have the ‘final say’, although mathematically it makes no difference,Andy_JS said:
Surely it would make sense to do it the other way round? Jury votes all in one go, and public votes more slowly.TheValiant said:
No. This is the farcical bit. The jury votes take ages, then at the end they just say, "Right, we're adding the public vote in one dump and therefore the entire table changes."Andy_JS said:Are these the jury and public votes combined?
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At my age I rarely get excited about anything and I never played down partygateMexicanpete said:...
BigG. you always get very excited when your political foes appear to be in trouble, remember Currygate? And for example on the flipside you played down Partygate at its height.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Why would you seek to play down something as potentially serious as this ?Mexicanpete said:
It's OK, it's only the (Scottish) Mail, so probably bearing little relevance to reality.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sorry to interrupt the Eurovision song contest but Police Scotland investating 1,000 alleged cases of fraud
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1657496055620009984?t=Xl1oBAPp29aXGWugOefsLQ&s=19
I accept the SNP are in trouble, but I suspect the Mail are gilding this particular lily. I don't believe Labour, or the Conservatives will benefit as much as we are told, from the SNP's travails.
Indeed Patersongate, wallpapergate and partygate ended any support I had for Johnson and have been vocally opposed to him ever since
I post stories that may have an impact on politics and this story on the SNP is one of them
My wife who is a Scot and I are committed Unionist and the travails of the SNP have been a very unexpected bonus0 -
Labour HOLD!Mexicanpete said:...
No, but it is Liverpool, so all sorts of voting inconsistencies could be on the cards.Andy_JS said:Are these the jury and public votes combined?
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So the top two in Eurovision are a lady with enormous fingernails and a lady with a unicorn horn.
Combined with the triumph of la Mordaunt, is there some Freudian desire to be gored to death?3 -
So far it's not a great night for the Germans.0
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Ted Lasso!MarqueeMark said:
Never watched Game of Thrones then? Shame....londonpubman said:Isn't Hannah Waddingham fabulous? I had never heard of her until a few weeks ago
If you look at her CV it’s nothing but “Doctors 1 episode - Maroon Poo” and then all of a sudden, big time. Brilliant!2 -
Is Mae = Keir?0
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Nobody loving ze Germans0
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Is Eurovision still going on ?0
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Are the Russians interfering with these votes?0
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Scheduled till midnight.Big_G_NorthWales said:Is Eurovision still going on ?
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No. Don’t encourage whatever’s going on. It’s already been a long day.londonpubman said:
Welcome new poster 👍CorrectHorseBat said:
No. Just jury.Andy_JS said:Are these the jury and public votes combined?
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Is this raw politics?RochdalePioneers said:Nobody loving ze Germans
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I'm wondering why they brought back the jury at all, because it was just public vote in around 2005 IIRC.Mexicanpete said:
This is Eurovision. Sense doesn't come into it.Andy_JS said:
Surely it would make sense to do it the other way round? Jury votes all in one go, and public votes more slowly.TheValiant said:
No. This is the farcical bit. The jury votes take ages, then at the end they just say, "Right, we're adding the public vote in one dump and therefore the entire table changes."Andy_JS said:Are these the jury and public votes combined?
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I think only Johnny Logan has won twice previously 1980 1987?0
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Loreen winner in 20120
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Labour leader accused of wanting to rig general elections by letting migrants who live in UK and pay tax have a say
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1657512766477942785
Did they actually read this? It sounds great!0 -
They interviewed her on the programme earlier.Andy_JS said:The UK's presenter from 1982 is still around and taking an interest in the show.
"Jan Leeming
@Jan_Leeming
Thank you very much. Am now getting quite excited and a teeny bit nervous. Been out and about in gloriously sunny Liverpool. Amazing that some people have recognised my voice as I was talking to friends. 😀"
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Did Dialup get turned into Pedigree Chum? 😀CorrectHorseBat said:
I can assure you I am the CorrectHorseBatteryRochdalePioneers said:
Some ideas:CorrectHorseBat said:Did it work? Good evening, glad to be back.
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It wasn't very good...RochdalePioneers said:Nobody loving ze Germans
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Does "the left" traditionally care about 16- and 17-year-olds? I can't see this as an olive branch to anyone. It might be a cynical calculation that they'd vote Labour.nico679 said:Votes for 16 and 17 year olds seems to be an olive branch to the left . I’m sure EU nationals are well aware of which party were handmaidens of a despicable campaign against them and will vote accordingly .
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Can we gives points to the judge from Iceland?3
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Yep, the only one to win twice.londonpubman said:I think only Johnny Logan has won twice previously 1980 1987?
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They will vote green on massDecrepiterJohnL said:
Does "the left" traditionally care about 16- and 17-year-olds? I can't see this as an olive branch to anyone. It might be a cynical calculation that they'd vote Labour.nico679 said:Votes for 16 and 17 year olds seems to be an olive branch to the left . I’m sure EU nationals are well aware of which party were handmaidens of a despicable campaign against them and will vote accordingly .
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For all the love for the sainted Sir Terence, the plain facts are that Norton is better at hosting Eurovision and chat shows, and Chris Evans got more listeners.RochdalePioneers said:With Graham Norton presenting this part of the show, couldn't we have had ChatGPT and a voice synthesiser doing Terry Wogan?
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One massive change to Eurovision - they have dropped the French language. Even the French judge had to speak English...0
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It was a crap attempt at Sigue Sigue Sputnik and Dead or alive. Frankly staggered how Sweden are running away with it as was every ordinary club tune from late 90’s early 2000’s sung by a reverse drag of Steve Tyler from Aerosmith who needs a serious manicure.Foxy said:
It wasn't very good...RochdalePioneers said:Nobody loving ze Germans
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It's probably a technical thing where they have to get the computer to aggregate the votes from the different voting methods, and so they need the time where the jury votes are handed out to get that all sorted. The jury votes are much simpler to apportion.Mexicanpete said:
This is Eurovision. Sense doesn't come into it.Andy_JS said:
Surely it would make sense to do it the other way round? Jury votes all in one go, and public votes more slowly.TheValiant said:
No. This is the farcical bit. The jury votes take ages, then at the end they just say, "Right, we're adding the public vote in one dump and therefore the entire table changes."Andy_JS said:Are these the jury and public votes combined?
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Hats off to Norton for double duty, presenting and commentating.DecrepiterJohnL said:
For all the love for the sainted Sir Terence, the plain facts are that Norton is better at hosting Eurovision and chat shows, and Chris Evans got more listeners.RochdalePioneers said:With Graham Norton presenting this part of the show, couldn't we have had ChatGPT and a voice synthesiser doing Terry Wogan?
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Do any ordinary people say Czechia instead of Czech Republic?0
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Nothing going on Moon. I really am back!MoonRabbit said:
No. Don’t encourage whatever’s going on. It’s already been a long day.londonpubman said:
Welcome new poster 👍CorrectHorseBat said:
No. Just jury.Andy_JS said:Are these the jury and public votes combined?
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Finland shot out from 4s to 9s on Betfair a few minutes ago, now back to 5-6. Sweden out to 1.2. I'm not watching Eurovision though.0
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I thought we would finish top 10 but clearly that's not going to happen 😡1
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1 point from Denmark!0
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I remember the days when Katie Boyle got the Eurovision gig because she spoke French.RochdalePioneers said:One massive change to Eurovision - they have dropped the French language. Even the French judge had to speak English...
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Oh right. I only started watching about 30 minutes ago.Sunil_Prasannan said:
They interviewed her on the programme earlier.Andy_JS said:The UK's presenter from 1982 is still around and taking an interest in the show.
"Jan Leeming
@Jan_Leeming
Thank you very much. Am now getting quite excited and a teeny bit nervous. Been out and about in gloriously sunny Liverpool. Amazing that some people have recognised my voice as I was talking to friends. 😀"
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Hannah = 👍0
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Makes more sense IMO.Andy_JS said:Do any ordinary people say Czechia instead of Czech Republic?
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The Allisons came second in 1961. They were schoolboys, and one was in my school at the same time as me.0
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4 points from Sweden!0
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Israel is popular in the betting.1
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Mel is doing quite well at the Graham Norton commentator schtick.1
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There’s a Dominion/Fucker Carlson joke in there, but OGH doesn’t need the legal hassle.LostPassword said:
It's probably a technical thing where they have to get the computer to aggregate the votes from the different voting methods, and so they need the time where the jury votes are handed out to get that all sorted. The jury votes are much simpler to apportion.Mexicanpete said:
This is Eurovision. Sense doesn't come into it.Andy_JS said:
Surely it would make sense to do it the other way round? Jury votes all in one go, and public votes more slowly.TheValiant said:
No. This is the farcical bit. The jury votes take ages, then at the end they just say, "Right, we're adding the public vote in one dump and therefore the entire table changes."Andy_JS said:Are these the jury and public votes combined?
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Stay classy, Moscow.
Russia attacked the Ukrainian city of Ternopil as the country's Eurovision act - who hail from the city - were about to perform, reports say.
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Very pleased to see that most of Europe were angered by the UK entrant’s anti Tory tweets and punished her accordingly. Nothing to do with her not being a great live singer with a run of the mill bar/club tune.
But the Swedish song really? Super average. And cut your nails you freak.0 -
Not sure we are going to win it on the public vote0
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Lets hope she gets swamped by votes for Belgian Boy George and Cha Cha Cha Finland.boulay said:Very pleased to see that most of Europe were angered by the UK entrant’s anti Tory tweets and punished her accordingly. Nothing to do with her not being a great live singer with a run of the mill bar/club tune.
But the Swedish song really? Super average. And cut your nails you freak.0 -
Sweden 340 points, nearly double the next country.
But it wasn't THAT good!0 -
Who was it on here who was tipping Croatia to win?0
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ŠČ!SandraMc said:Who was it on here who was tipping Croatia to win?
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Waterloo wasSunil_Prasannan said:Sweden 340 points, nearly double the next country.
But it wasn't THAT good!
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Televoting scores time!0
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This counting system rocks, IMO.1
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They should have had a hologram Terry Wogan doing this. Programmed by ChatGPT. "Do Terry Wogan pissed at the end of Eurovision"2
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lololol0
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Oh dear...0
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Fair.0
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ONLY NINE extra points for the UK! 24 total!0
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What was the problem with Mae Muller's performance?0
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Would we have known the difference?RochdalePioneers said:They should have had a hologram Terry Wogan doing this. Programmed by ChatGPT. "Do Terry Wogan pissed at the end of Eurovision"
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She really wasn’t very good.Andy_JS said:What was the problem with Mae Muller's performance?
Second to bottom is undeserved but she wasn’t going to win with that performance or come anywhere near.
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The UK song was decently written, the problem is that Mae Muller is a terrible live artist. This was clear in the semi finals.
If the UK is to win, the song writing talent is now good - after being terrible for a long time - but they must find an artist that can actually perform well live.1 -
Finland 376 extra points!0
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How's the dog?CorrectHorseBat said:The UK song was decently written, the problem is that Mae Muller is a terrible live artist. This was clear in the semi finals.
If the UK is to win, the song writing talent is now good - after being terrible for a long time - but they must find an artist that can actually perform well live.0 -
Sam Ryder seems to have been an accident in terms of live performance at this point. Even though the team that wrote the song were the same as this year.
With a decent artist this year would have been good for us IMHO.0 -
She's going really well thanks, just been sleeping all day. But she had a bit of a walk around the living room where I've put her box.londonpubman said:
How's the dog?CorrectHorseBat said:The UK song was decently written, the problem is that Mae Muller is a terrible live artist. This was clear in the semi finals.
If the UK is to win, the song writing talent is now good - after being terrible for a long time - but they must find an artist that can actually perform well live.1 -
Sweden win0
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Boooooooo
Cha cha cha
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Yes the Loreen 👍👍👍👍0
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Sweden win!
Loreen joins Johnny Logan in winning two Eurovisions!1 -
We'd have won last year but for the unique circumstances!CorrectHorseBat said:The UK song was decently written, the problem is that Mae Muller is a terrible live artist. This was clear in the semi finals.
If the UK is to win, the song writing talent is now good - after being terrible for a long time - but they must find an artist that can actually perform well live.1 -
Well done Sweden, not as good as last year for the UK but we avoided null points. Night all0
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Sweden may have won it twice. But that Finnish entry will live forever in Top 20 WTF moments in Eurovision.2
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GN all 👍0
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We got to host this year, we are the staunchest supporters of Ukraine among the big rich European nations. We’ll take that I think, we did Ukraine proud.kle4 said:
We'd have won last year but for the unique circumstances!CorrectHorseBat said:The UK song was decently written, the problem is that Mae Muller is a terrible live artist. This was clear in the semi finals.
If the UK is to win, the song writing talent is now good - after being terrible for a long time - but they must find an artist that can actually perform well live.2
