No. This is the farcical bit. The jury votes take ages, then at the end they just say, "Right, we're adding the public vote in one dump and therefore the entire table changes."
Labour to give EU citizens the vote #TomorrowsPapersToday
Good.
That could be a big political mistake. It's more toxic than promising to bring back EU movement beause it goes to the heart of how we define the demos.
It's very odd: there aren't any obvious votes in it, and (lest we forget) it's not like EU citizens (other than the Irish and the Maltese) had a vote in our General Elections in the past.
Surely most EU citizens who live in the UK aren't going to vote Tory though, are they?
I'm thinking short-term. There's an election in 18 months time, why would Labour propose any policy that would horrify a lot of people, while not enthusing even their own supporters.
No. This is the farcical bit. The jury votes take ages, then at the end they just say, "Right, we're adding the public vote in one dump and therefore the entire table changes."
Makes it much more exciting though. You can’t be sure who’s won till the end.
No. This is the farcical bit. The jury votes take ages, then at the end they just say, "Right, we're adding the public vote in one dump and therefore the entire table changes."
Surely it would make sense to do it the other way round? Jury votes all in one go, and public votes more slowly.
Labour to give EU citizens the vote #TomorrowsPapersToday
Good.
Surely we are going to hear lots of complaints about trying to fix the electorate?
Or may be this will be a reciprocal deal with the EU so that UK citizens in Europe get to vote too?
Starmer knows he will shed votes in office so is planning now to expand his coalition.
If he wants to stay PM for evah he is best going with PR.
P S. He hasn't won yet.
What makes you say that?
I'd say it'd make it easier for him to lose office.
Uncoalitionable Tories.
You're not thinking straight.
Remember: whatever happens 40% of the country are centre-right and there are very many more mechanisms that can tell under PR.
Lib Dems and Greens won't be willing Labour lackies for long and, even if they are, in totality won't maintain 60% of the vote in aggregate either.
Plus RefUK would win 10-15% of MPs under PR and be likely coalition partners for the Tories
Yes but probably at the expense of the Tories.
Not necessarily, in 2015 UKIP got 13%, as Labour got only 30% and the Tories 37% much of the UKIP vote came from Labour's traditional working class vote. They are the type of voters who voted UKIP in 2015, Labour or the Tories in 2017, for Boris and the Conservatives in 2019 and are now voting Labour again but could easily go to RefUK with PR
I am aware of all of that, but there was something unique happening during the Brexit years. That is not to say that won't happen again, but I believe Conservatives will not be in Government for all but 24 of the next 71 (going on 73) years
Immigration remains a big issue, even more so in terms of non EU migration, post Brexit and that is where RefUK could squeeze under PR like rightwing European populist parties do. Squeezing the same type of white working class voters who might vote for Meloni or Le Pen or the AfD or indeed Trump in the US and voted for UKIP and Boris here
No. This is the farcical bit. The jury votes take ages, then at the end they just say, "Right, we're adding the public vote in one dump and therefore the entire table changes."
Surely it would make sense to do it the other way round? Jury votes all in one go, and public votes more slowly.
Thank you very much. Am now getting quite excited and a teeny bit nervous. Been out and about in gloriously sunny Liverpool. Amazing that some people have recognised my voice as I was talking to friends. 😀"
No. This is the farcical bit. The jury votes take ages, then at the end they just say, "Right, we're adding the public vote in one dump and therefore the entire table changes."
Surely it would make sense to do it the other way round? Jury votes all in one go, and public votes more slowly.
Seems better to me for the public to have the ‘final say’, although mathematically it makes no difference,
It's OK, it's only the (Scottish) Mail, so probably bearing little relevance to reality.
Why would you seek to play down something as potentially serious as this ?
BigG. you always get very excited when your political foes appear to be in trouble, remember Currygate? And for example on the flipside you played down Partygate at its height.
I accept the SNP are in trouble, but I suspect the Mail are gilding this particular lily. I don't believe Labour, or the Conservatives will benefit as much as we are told, from the SNP's travails.
At my age I rarely get excited about anything and I never played down partygate
Indeed Patersongate, wallpapergate and partygate ended any support I had for Johnson and have been vocally opposed to him ever since
I post stories that may have an impact on politics and this story on the SNP is one of them
My wife who is a Scot and I are committed Unionist and the travails of the SNP have been a very unexpected bonus
No. This is the farcical bit. The jury votes take ages, then at the end they just say, "Right, we're adding the public vote in one dump and therefore the entire table changes."
Surely it would make sense to do it the other way round? Jury votes all in one go, and public votes more slowly.
This is Eurovision. Sense doesn't come into it.
I'm wondering why they brought back the jury at all, because it was just public vote in around 2005 IIRC.
Thank you very much. Am now getting quite excited and a teeny bit nervous. Been out and about in gloriously sunny Liverpool. Amazing that some people have recognised my voice as I was talking to friends. 😀"
Votes for 16 and 17 year olds seems to be an olive branch to the left . I’m sure EU nationals are well aware of which party were handmaidens of a despicable campaign against them and will vote accordingly .
Does "the left" traditionally care about 16- and 17-year-olds? I can't see this as an olive branch to anyone. It might be a cynical calculation that they'd vote Labour.
Votes for 16 and 17 year olds seems to be an olive branch to the left . I’m sure EU nationals are well aware of which party were handmaidens of a despicable campaign against them and will vote accordingly .
Does "the left" traditionally care about 16- and 17-year-olds? I can't see this as an olive branch to anyone. It might be a cynical calculation that they'd vote Labour.
With Graham Norton presenting this part of the show, couldn't we have had ChatGPT and a voice synthesiser doing Terry Wogan?
For all the love for the sainted Sir Terence, the plain facts are that Norton is better at hosting Eurovision and chat shows, and Chris Evans got more listeners.
It was a crap attempt at Sigue Sigue Sputnik and Dead or alive. Frankly staggered how Sweden are running away with it as was every ordinary club tune from late 90’s early 2000’s sung by a reverse drag of Steve Tyler from Aerosmith who needs a serious manicure.
No. This is the farcical bit. The jury votes take ages, then at the end they just say, "Right, we're adding the public vote in one dump and therefore the entire table changes."
Surely it would make sense to do it the other way round? Jury votes all in one go, and public votes more slowly.
This is Eurovision. Sense doesn't come into it.
It's probably a technical thing where they have to get the computer to aggregate the votes from the different voting methods, and so they need the time where the jury votes are handed out to get that all sorted. The jury votes are much simpler to apportion.
With Graham Norton presenting this part of the show, couldn't we have had ChatGPT and a voice synthesiser doing Terry Wogan?
For all the love for the sainted Sir Terence, the plain facts are that Norton is better at hosting Eurovision and chat shows, and Chris Evans got more listeners.
Hats off to Norton for double duty, presenting and commentating.
Thank you very much. Am now getting quite excited and a teeny bit nervous. Been out and about in gloriously sunny Liverpool. Amazing that some people have recognised my voice as I was talking to friends. 😀"
No. This is the farcical bit. The jury votes take ages, then at the end they just say, "Right, we're adding the public vote in one dump and therefore the entire table changes."
Surely it would make sense to do it the other way round? Jury votes all in one go, and public votes more slowly.
This is Eurovision. Sense doesn't come into it.
It's probably a technical thing where they have to get the computer to aggregate the votes from the different voting methods, and so they need the time where the jury votes are handed out to get that all sorted. The jury votes are much simpler to apportion.
There’s a Dominion/Fucker Carlson joke in there, but OGH doesn’t need the legal hassle.
Very pleased to see that most of Europe were angered by the UK entrant’s anti Tory tweets and punished her accordingly. Nothing to do with her not being a great live singer with a run of the mill bar/club tune.
But the Swedish song really? Super average. And cut your nails you freak.
Very pleased to see that most of Europe were angered by the UK entrant’s anti Tory tweets and punished her accordingly. Nothing to do with her not being a great live singer with a run of the mill bar/club tune.
But the Swedish song really? Super average. And cut your nails you freak.
Lets hope she gets swamped by votes for Belgian Boy George and Cha Cha Cha Finland.
Do any ordinary people say Czechia instead of Czech Republic?
Ordinary people say neither, since it doesn't crop up often. It's a bit jargony, like using "Anglosphere". However it has become more popular in the last twenty years.
The UK song was decently written, the problem is that Mae Muller is a terrible live artist. This was clear in the semi finals.
If the UK is to win, the song writing talent is now good - after being terrible for a long time - but they must find an artist that can actually perform well live.
The UK song was decently written, the problem is that Mae Muller is a terrible live artist. This was clear in the semi finals.
If the UK is to win, the song writing talent is now good - after being terrible for a long time - but they must find an artist that can actually perform well live.
Sam Ryder seems to have been an accident in terms of live performance at this point. Even though the team that wrote the song were the same as this year.
With a decent artist this year would have been good for us IMHO.
The UK song was decently written, the problem is that Mae Muller is a terrible live artist. This was clear in the semi finals.
If the UK is to win, the song writing talent is now good - after being terrible for a long time - but they must find an artist that can actually perform well live.
How's the dog?
She's going really well thanks, just been sleeping all day. But she had a bit of a walk around the living room where I've put her box.
The UK song was decently written, the problem is that Mae Muller is a terrible live artist. This was clear in the semi finals.
If the UK is to win, the song writing talent is now good - after being terrible for a long time - but they must find an artist that can actually perform well live.
We'd have won last year but for the unique circumstances!
The UK song was decently written, the problem is that Mae Muller is a terrible live artist. This was clear in the semi finals.
If the UK is to win, the song writing talent is now good - after being terrible for a long time - but they must find an artist that can actually perform well live.
We'd have won last year but for the unique circumstances!
We got to host this year, we are the staunchest supporters of Ukraine among the big rich European nations. We’ll take that I think, we did Ukraine proud.
Comments
"Jan Leeming
@Jan_Leeming
Thank you very much. Am now getting quite excited and a teeny bit nervous. Been out and about in gloriously sunny Liverpool. Amazing that some people have recognised my voice as I was talking to friends. 😀"
https://twitter.com/Jan_Leeming/status/1657358953104244738
Indeed Patersongate, wallpapergate and partygate ended any support I had for Johnson and have been vocally opposed to him ever since
I post stories that may have an impact on politics and this story on the SNP is one of them
My wife who is a Scot and I are committed Unionist and the travails of the SNP have been a very unexpected bonus
Combined with the triumph of la Mordaunt, is there some Freudian desire to be gored to death?
If you look at her CV it’s nothing but “Doctors 1 episode - Maroon Poo” and then all of a sudden, big time. Brilliant!
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1657512766477942785
Did they actually read this? It sounds great!
Russia attacked the Ukrainian city of Ternopil as the country's Eurovision act - who hail from the city - were about to perform, reports say.
https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1657506787828936705
But the Swedish song really? Super average. And cut your nails you freak.
But it wasn't THAT good!
To be honest I have not watched Eurovision for years
Second to bottom is undeserved but she wasn’t going to win with that performance or come anywhere near.
If only we had been more supportive of Ukraine we would have done better.
If the UK is to win, the song writing talent is now good - after being terrible for a long time - but they must find an artist that can actually perform well live.
With a decent artist this year would have been good for us IMHO.
Cha cha cha
cha cha cha
cha cha cha
Loreen joins Johnny Logan in winning two Eurovisions!
Finland 526
Israel 362