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SouthamObserver said:

Seems like quite a low turnout crowd-wise. Weather or zeitgeist?

Highlights of the ceremony for me: the 6th century bible and Zadok the Priest. Both genuinely awesome.

Re turnout, probably both but there were also reports of people being turned away, and the route is quite a short one. If I'd wanted to go, I'd probably have been put off by the practicalities.

But there is not the popular enthusiasm there was for, say, Charles & Diana's wedding, where there were miles of crowds because St Paul's is miles from the Palace.

As I've posted before, there was not much effort to explain the point of the coronation, and what there was probably came too late. Even the supermarkets looked a bit drab, with crisps and biscuits in souvenir tins but not much to say this is potentially a once in a lifetime event.

IanB2 said:

Benpointer said:

HYUFD said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.

Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombastic

That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival

I expect Putin will take more notice on the military parades we and the French put on than the great ceremony we just witnessed however.

Just coming back from Whitehall now in the drizzle, we caught a glimpse of the new King and Queen in their coach on the way back. Will watch the full ceremony on iplayer tonight

What planet are you on? Those military parades of infantry and cavalry are really not going to register one iota with Putin.

The days when soldiers ran away in terror at the sound of Malc on his bagpipes are over?

With apols for the repost, it was good to see Malc putting on his finest for the service this morning:

Hip hip. Hooray!

Okay if you want to get someone to do a proper 3 cheers then get the military. That was pretty awesome.

theakes said:

I went for petrol during the Coronation Service. The roads were packed, people at the bus stop and the shops all open with a steady flow of folk, people going about their normal lives.
A totally different picture to the one painted by the media.

Yawn.

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.

Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombastic

That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival

What's wrong with power and might?

It's part of the pageantry. The command of the monarchy. It's reach.

I think having British guards carrying every flag of the Commonwealth, and the procession being led by the mounties, is a powerful symbol of unity and inclusion that isn't quite as imperial as you think.

More a family that shares values.

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

WhisperingOracle said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.

Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombastic

That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival

Exactly what I was going to post ; the emphasis on huge parades is really a holdover from imperial times, when it was a necessary show to adversaries.

I think that the future of these ceremonies should be tasteful and grand, with some mystical elements ; but also smaller. If Charles has any sense with his slimming-down plans, this should be included, because it also sends an important message about the role of the monarchy and its awareness of its place in society.

It works for funerals. It was tremendous for QE2. The coffin on the gun carriage

But for more positive events - weddings, jubilees and coronations (however serious) somettjg more joyous is needed

Like @Jonathan said you are a luvvie.

A right-wing luvvie, to be sure, but still a luvvie.

Coz I don’t get physically aroused by regiments of men marching fairly pointlessly along a road, albeit with immaculate timing? Whatever

I’m a royalist. I loved the coronation. I can do without the horsey bits

Benpointer said:

IanB2 said:

Benpointer said:

HYUFD said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.

Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombastic

That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival

I expect Putin will take more notice on the military parades we and the French put on than the great ceremony we just witnessed however.

Just coming back from Whitehall now in the drizzle, we caught a glimpse of the new King and Queen in their coach on the way back. Will watch the full ceremony on iplayer tonight

What planet are you on? Those military parades of infantry and cavalry are really not going to register one iota with Putin.

The days when soldiers ran away in terror at the sound of Malc on his bagpipes are over?

With apols for the repost, it was good to see Malc putting on his finest for the service this morning:

Why is the bloke in the red kilt wearing Cthulhu on the front of his kilt.

Dialup said:

Just been out for a run in SW London.

I saw a total of two flags.

Standard.

What was the other one?

twistedfirestopper3 said:

HYUFD said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.

Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombastic

That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival

I expect Putin will take more notice on the military parades we and the French put on than the great ceremony we just witnessed however.

Just coming back from Whitehall now in the drizzle, we caught a glimpse of the new King and Queen in their coach on the way back. Will watch the full ceremony on iplayer tonight

Genuine question, why would Putin take note of our parades, no matter how well choreographed they are?

See his own military parades, demos of military strength matter to power projection

Forgot to say, Crab Air don't have the best track record on this sort of caper. They mid-aired two Phenoms while "practicing" for the RAF 100th anniversary flypast.

Still better than Iran (and Venezuela) they've both crashed fucking all sorts doing mass fly pasts.

TimS said:

Casino_Royale said:

Benpointer said:

Casino_Royale said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.

Not really.

Loving it in our house. We are bouncing along , toasting and cheering.

It's one hell of a show.

Overall it seems much less impressive than the Queen's funeral to me. Fine in itself, well-executed, beautiful music but not quite on the same level.

Glad it all appears to have gone off safely though - all credit to the security services.

It depends how it moves you. This moves me just as deeply. The historical resonance of it.

And there are even more troops for this one. So the spectacle is just as strong.

I’m with the others. The parade has nothing like the same resonance as the coronation service. It’s just much more anachronistic because it’s not timeless: it’s rooted in the 18th and 19th centuries.

The coronation itself is of a different order. It’s a ceremony from deep time, mediaeval Norman at root but with hints of tradition going back further. Even the more modern Zadok the priest doesn’t upset this sense of a ritual stretching back epochs. Watching the crowning there was a feeling of the deep history of the island.

The military parades are impressive in their own way but on a very different level.

Excellent post.

GIN1138 said:

Foxy said:

GIN1138 said:

Wonder if Harry is already on his way back to LA?

He is in Court Wednesday, so probably not.

The rumour was he was going back to LA today for Archie's birthday but who knows?

Must say I have a lot of sympathy for "H" today. As well as walking into the lions den, on his own, he has had to watch the old bag who, along with his father, caused his late mother so much pain and heartache crowned Queen and will henceforth now have to bow before her whenever they meet. I don't think that's something I could do.

I hope he can now find some peace and happiness with Meghan and his family.

Yes, it must be odd for Prince Harry. But please bear in mind that it is little different from any child whose parents have broken up and perhaps remarried. Woe is him but his situation is commonplace for millions.

TimS said:

Casino_Royale said:

Benpointer said:

Casino_Royale said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.

Not really.

Loving it in our house. We are bouncing along , toasting and cheering.

It's one hell of a show.

Overall it seems much less impressive than the Queen's funeral to me. Fine in itself, well-executed, beautiful music but not quite on the same level.

Glad it all appears to have gone off safely though - all credit to the security services.

It depends how it moves you. This moves me just as deeply. The historical resonance of it.

And there are even more troops for this one. So the spectacle is just as strong.

I’m with the others. The parade has nothing like the same resonance as the coronation service. It’s just much more anachronistic because it’s not timeless: it’s rooted in the 18th and 19th centuries.

The coronation itself is of a different order. It’s a ceremony from deep time, mediaeval Norman at root but with hints of tradition going back further. Even the more modern Zadok the priest doesn’t upset this sense of a ritual stretching back epochs. Watching the crowning there was a feeling of the deep history of the island.

The military parades are impressive in their own way but on a very different level.

Also it happens every year - the Trooping of the colour - or maybe every day - changing the guard to buck house

A coronation for the first time in 70 years? Wow

Dura_Ace said:

WhisperingOracle said:

Benpointer said:

I assume the flypast will still be on, hard to tell from the TV footage but cloudbase is what 1,000 - 1,500ft?

Dura Ace may be able to help there, I think, with the view from a cockpit veteran.

I've only ever done one and that was 1,000' over DC. The military can pretty much sanction anything with the tacit understanding that there will be a ruthless cauldron of blame for the most junior officer involved if anything goes wrong. They would be mental to do it of they didn't have the normal VFR minima for low level flight. 1,000' vertical, 1500m horizontal to cloud and 5km flight visibility.

What's the visibility today ?
Also, doing a flypast over Washington D.C. sounds like fun.

IanB2 said:

TimS said:

Malmesbury said:

A

Carnyx said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Dialup said:

The Met Police.

Being attacked in the streets? Bike nicked? Can't help mate.

Placard - to the Tower with you

I am a monarchist but preventing lawful protests by Republicans is wrong on so many levels. Stupid action by Government enacting the laws and stupid action by the police in enforcing them this way.

I don't see the PB Wokefinders for Freedom lamenting this. Just wait for the anti-woke protests under a Labour government. Labour have been given absolute carte blanche to deal with them in the same way.

New Labour had people arrested for holding up, in silence, a placard saying “Remember Tibet”

Wearing a t-shirt with “Bollocks to Blair” on it would get you stopped by the police along Whitehall.

The cabinet secretary justified the arrest of an opposition MP on the grounds that the leaks to the said MP had upset the spin doctors lies to the press.

Labour has always been authoritarian. Not understanding that the LibDems are serious about civil liberties has long confused relations between the two parties.

It’s the main reason I’m a Lib Dem.

In my long experience as a councillor, I found it a real mental block when dealing with Labour councillors. So often, if the object of a proposal was of merit they simply couldn’t understand why we were concerned with how it was to be done. And we couldn’t understand why they couldn’t understand that how things are done very often matters just as much as the outcome.

Example conversation:

Labour councillors: This project looks really good, let’s get it done!

LibDem councillors: We agree. Why not consult residents in the area to see what they think?

Labour: But anyone can see this is a good idea, let’s just go for it!

LibDem: But if we ask local people what they think, most of them will probably agree with us and will feel more involved in, and more grateful for, the project when we implement it, and the minority that have criticisms might help us find ways to improve the proposal or avoid some pitfall that we haven’t spotted? And if something unexpected happens and it doesn’t work out as we hope, it would be good to have the backing of those affected before we go ahead.

Lab: Yes, but consulting people will delay things by X months and cost £X, so we should just get it done now. We are the councillors, do we really care what local people think?

Sandpit said:

Dura_Ace said:

WhisperingOracle said:

Benpointer said:

I assume the flypast will still be on, hard to tell from the TV footage but cloudbase is what 1,000 - 1,500ft?

Dura Ace may be able to help there, I think, with the view from a cockpit veteran.

I've only ever done one and that was 1,000' over DC. The military can pretty much sanction anything with the tacit understanding that there will be a ruthless cauldron of blame for the most junior officer involved if anything goes wrong. They would be mental to do it of they didn't have the normal VFR minima for low level flight. 1,000' vertical, 1500m horizontal to cloud and 5km flight visibility.

Do the mil use the 500’ rule, that is the law for us civvies?

Presumably, anything with a single engine needs to remain within gliding range of the river?

The army helicopters practising over the Blackmore Vale don't - often lower than the downs the other side of the valley.

Sandpit said:

Dura_Ace said:

WhisperingOracle said:

Benpointer said:

I assume the flypast will still be on, hard to tell from the TV footage but cloudbase is what 1,000 - 1,500ft?

Dura Ace may be able to help there, I think, with the view from a cockpit veteran.

I've only ever done one and that was 1,000' over DC. The military can pretty much sanction anything with the tacit understanding that there will be a ruthless cauldron of blame for the most junior officer involved if anything goes wrong. They would be mental to do it of they didn't have the normal VFR minima for low level flight. 1,000' vertical, 1500m horizontal to cloud and 5km flight visibility.

Do the mil use the 500’ rule, that is the law for us civvies?

Presumably, anything with a single engine needs to remain within gliding range of the river?

It depends on location, aircraft, crew experience, objectives, etc. Generally, pay attention in the brief!

theakes said:

I went for petrol during the Coronation Service. The roads were packed, people at the bus stop and the shops all open with a steady flow of folk, people going about their normal lives.
A totally different picture to the one painted by the media.

I took the dog for a quick walk during a break in the rain, towards the end of the religious dirge, and there were a lot of other people about.

Leon said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

WhisperingOracle said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.

Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombastic

That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival

Exactly what I was going to post ; the emphasis on huge parades is really a holdover from imperial times, when it was a necessary show to adversaries.

I think that the future of these ceremonies should be tasteful and grand, with some mystical elements ; but also smaller. If Charles has any sense with his slimming-down plans, this should be included, because it also sends an important message about the role of the monarchy and its awareness of its place in society.

It works for funerals. It was tremendous for QE2. The coffin on the gun carriage

But for more positive events - weddings, jubilees and coronations (however serious) somettjg more joyous is needed

Like @Jonathan said you are a luvvie.

A right-wing luvvie, to be sure, but still a luvvie.

Coz I don’t get physically aroused by regiments of men marching fairly pointlessly along a road, albeit with immaculate timing? Whatever

I’m a royalist. I loved the coronation. I can do without the horsey bits

Yeah, you're a bit wet and gaylord ponceyboots.

The Met Police have obviously been practicing filling the Mall with people. Looks very well organised.

Richard_Tyndall said:

HYUFD said:

twistedfirestopper3 said:

HYUFD said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.

Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombastic

That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival

I expect Putin will take more notice on the military parades we and the French put on than the great ceremony we just witnessed however.

Just coming back from Whitehall now in the drizzle, we caught a glimpse of the new King and Queen in their coach on the way back. Will watch the full ceremony on iplayer tonight

Genuine question, why would Putin take note of our parades, no matter how well choreographed they are?

See his own military parades, demos of military strength matter to power projection

In case you missed it, his parades tend to be full of big beasts of rockets and tanks. Ours are horses and carriages. Now I really like the parades for their ceremonial and glitz but the idea that anyone opposed to our country looks at these paraes we do and has a moment's pause is laughable.

The problem we have is that HY has sent all our tanks up to the Scottish border.

A mistake surely on a par with the Germans not sending their panzer divisions to Normandy?

Benpointer said:

Sandpit said:

Dura_Ace said:

WhisperingOracle said:

Benpointer said:

I assume the flypast will still be on, hard to tell from the TV footage but cloudbase is what 1,000 - 1,500ft?

Dura Ace may be able to help there, I think, with the view from a cockpit veteran.

I've only ever done one and that was 1,000' over DC. The military can pretty much sanction anything with the tacit understanding that there will be a ruthless cauldron of blame for the most junior officer involved if anything goes wrong. They would be mental to do it of they didn't have the normal VFR minima for low level flight. 1,000' vertical, 1500m horizontal to cloud and 5km flight visibility.

Do the mil use the 500’ rule, that is the law for us civvies?

Presumably, anything with a single engine needs to remain within gliding range of the river?

The army helicopters practising over the Blackmore Vale don't - often lower than the downs the other side of the valley.

Once had a Puma buzz past in dense fog, gale force winds half way up a Corbett near Applecross. Genuinely impressed by the bravery/lunacy - was unbelievably low.

twistedfirestopper3 said:

So, I think I've found the answer to the question I posed a few days ago. Tories on here don't seem to like the current Conservative party very much, and certainly not that keen on the current leadership, so I asked: Who do you want?

Clearly, she's been found. Mordaunt.

The moment she says JK Rowling may have a point over trans issues, you’ll know Mordaunt is on it like a car bonnet.

WhisperingOracle said:

Dialup said:

I don't believe the Monarchy is any more Tory than Labour.

Labour has been in government many times, never once tried to change or touch the monarchy. Indeed Blair did a lot to save it after Diana.

Wilson was the QEII's favourite PM, closely followed by Callaghan, who said going to see her was like "seeking a solving of your problems by a psychiatrist." The Queen and Thatcher, famously, couldn't stand each other.

From a liberal point of view, in its best moments the British monarchy can represent some of the more enlightened noblesse oblige and consensus spirit of the wartime and postwar era. Certainly preferable to aggressive populist conservatism, for me, and I suspect many others.

Very little in this world is not preferable to aggressive populist conservatism imo.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

HYUFD said:

twistedfirestopper3 said:

HYUFD said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.

Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombastic

That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival

I expect Putin will take more notice on the military parades we and the French put on than the great ceremony we just witnessed however.

Just coming back from Whitehall now in the drizzle, we caught a glimpse of the new King and Queen in their coach on the way back. Will watch the full ceremony on iplayer tonight

Genuine question, why would Putin take note of our parades, no matter how well choreographed they are?

See his own military parades, demos of military strength matter to power projection

North Korea has the best military choreography.

MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!

This argument was boring the first of the thousand times you posted it Sunil.

IanB2 said:

So now we are reduced to Deborah Meaden and Anton du Beke opining on the day’s happenings

The BBC always do this. I don’t know why they always think we need the opinions of minor celebrities.

Penny stars at coronation

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/05/06/penny-mourdant-outfit-king-coronation/

IanB2 said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

IanB2 said:

TOPPING said:

There was a camera angle from above as a detachment of the Blue and Royals was trit-trotting through which was pretty much exactly like those photos of 1953 or perhaps Churchill's funeral.

Perhaps it was the rain rendering everything colourless and the navy tunics accentuating the monochrome. It was a just a moment but one of a past age.

I assume that when the BBC said it was the biggest military procession for seventy years, it was Churchill’s funeral that holds the record?

Churchill's funral ppparently involved around 2,500 military personnel. This one was apparently 6,000.

So what happened seventy years ago?

Elizabeth’s coronation?

Richard_Tyndall said:

IanB2 said:

TOPPING said:

There was a camera angle from above as a detachment of the Blue and Royals was trit-trotting through which was pretty much exactly like those photos of 1953 or perhaps Churchill's funeral.

Perhaps it was the rain rendering everything colourless and the navy tunics accentuating the monochrome. It was a just a moment but one of a past age.

I assume that when the BBC said it was the biggest military procession for seventy years, it was Churchill’s funeral that holds the record?

Churchill's funral ppparently involved around 2,500 military personnel. This one was apparently 6,000.

7,000.

twistedfirestopper3 said:

HYUFD said:

Leon said:

Jonathan said:

Leon said:

I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.

Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombastic

That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival

I expect Putin will take more notice on the military parades we and the French put on than the great ceremony we just witnessed however.

Just coming back from Whitehall now in the drizzle, we caught a glimpse of the new King and Queen in their coach on the way back. Will watch the full ceremony on iplayer tonight

Genuine question, why would Putin take note of our parades, no matter how well choreographed they are?

Cos that’s one of the things that has always been important to Russian Tzars Presidents

Theuniondivvie said:

twistedfirestopper3 said:

So, I think I've found the answer to the question I posed a few days ago. Tories on here don't seem to like the current Conservative party very much, and certainly not that keen on the current leadership, so I asked: Who do you want?

Clearly, she's been found. Mordaunt.

The moment she says JK Rowling may have a point over trans issues, you’ll know Mordaunt is on it like a car bonnet.

Had the Tories gambled on Mordaunt, things might have panned out quite differently.

Now, they won’t be in power again until our HY is retired.

GIN1138 said:

Foxy said:

GIN1138 said:

Wonder if Harry is already on his way back to LA?

He is in Court Wednesday, so probably not.

The rumour was he was going back to LA today for Archie's birthday but who knows?

Must say I have a lot of sympathy for "H" today. As well as walking into the lions den, on his own, he has had to watch the old bag who, along with his father, caused his late mother so much pain and heartache crowned Queen and will henceforth now have to bow before her whenever they meet. I don't think that's something I could do.

I hope he can now find some peace and happiness with Meghan and his family.

Why so much bitterness and hatred for someone you have never met.

Divorces happen. Marriages break down. I am glad that the King has found love again and has a supporter and helpmate.

Benpointer said:

"Flypast scaled down due to weather - MoD
We've just received some breaking news from the Ministry of Defence in the last few moments.

It relates to the flypast which is still expected to take place in 30 minutes or so.

A statement says: "Due to unsuitable weather conditions, the Coronation flypast will now be formed of helicopters and the Royal Air Force aerobatic team The Red Arrows."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-65474712

VFR minima are less for RW below 140kts. Red Arrows will do it no matter what in desperate search for relevance and redemption following the drink soaked shenanigans of the last year.

IanB2 said:

theakes said:

I went for petrol during the Coronation Service. The roads were packed, people at the bus stop and the shops all open with a steady flow of folk, people going about their normal lives.
A totally different picture to the one painted by the media.

I took the dog for a quick walk during a break in the rain, towards the end of the religious dirge, and there were a lot of other people about.

I popped to the shop for some cooking ingredients mid coronation. Not the only one there.

StillWaters said:

GIN1138 said:

Foxy said:

GIN1138 said:

Wonder if Harry is already on his way back to LA?

He is in Court Wednesday, so probably not.

The rumour was he was going back to LA today for Archie's birthday but who knows?

Must say I have a lot of sympathy for "H" today. As well as walking into the lions den, on his own, he has had to watch the old bag who, along with his father, caused his late mother so much pain and heartache crowned Queen and will henceforth now have to bow before her whenever they meet. I don't think that's something I could do.

I hope he can now find some peace and happiness with Meghan and his family.

Why so much bitterness and hatred for someone you have never met.

Divorces happen. Marriages break down. I am glad that the King has found love again and has a supporter and helpmate.

The rain gods weren't happy!

Dura_Ace said:

Benpointer said:

"Flypast scaled down due to weather - MoD
We've just received some breaking news from the Ministry of Defence in the last few moments.

It relates to the flypast which is still expected to take place in 30 minutes or so.

A statement says: "Due to unsuitable weather conditions, the Coronation flypast will now be formed of helicopters and the Royal Air Force aerobatic team The Red Arrows."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-65474712

VFR minima are less for RW below 140kts. Red Arrows will do it no matter what in desperate search for relevance and redemption following the drink soaked shenanigans of the last year.

Yet they’ve already cancelled their planned follow on flypast over Bournemouth

We are so lucky we got Penny as Chief Sword Holder rather than JRM.

numbertwelve said:

We are so lucky we got Penny as Chief Sword Holder rather than JRM.

She can keep it erect for much longer than the chief wimp could have done.

pigeon said:

numbertwelve said:

IanB2 said:

So now we are reduced to Deborah Meaden and Anton du Beke opining on the day’s happenings

The BBC always do this. I don’t know why they always think we need the opinions of minor celebrities.

They all do this. They need waffle to fill in the gaps when there's nothing happening.

It’s been four hours now and the only real thing that has happened is the crown landing on Charlie Three’s bonce.

How did the public swearing of the oath go? (This was going to bring about the end of the monarchy a few days ago.)

Chris said:

Malmesbury said:

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Carnyx said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Dialup said:

The Met Police.

Being attacked in the streets? Bike nicked? Can't help mate.

Placard - to the Tower with you

I am a monarchist but preventing lawful protests by Republicans is wrong on so many levels. Stupid action by Government enacting the laws and stupid action by the police in enforcing them this way.

I don't see the PB Wokefinders for Freedom lamenting this. Just wait for the anti-woke protests under a Labour government. Labour have been given absolute carte blanche to deal with them in the same way.

New Labour had people arrested for holding up, in silence, a placard saying “Remember Tibet” ...

Yes, of course that makes it OK. How could anyone have doubted it?

You're missing the point. The precedents are already there.

Incidentally, the bizarre, and often illegal, infiltration tactics used at that time against harmless protest groups (such as the tree climbing swampy types) are still going through the courts.

Phil said:

Sandpit said:

Theuniondivvie said:

twistedfirestopper3 said:

So, I think I've found the answer to the question I posed a few days ago. Tories on here don't seem to like the current Conservative party very much, and certainly not that keen on the current leadership, so I asked: Who do you want?

Clearly, she's been found. Mordaunt.

The moment she says JK Rowling may have a point over trans issues, you’ll know Mordaunt is on it like a car bonnet.

If Penny hadn’t got caught up with Stonewall, she could have been PM for the past eight months.

If the Tory membership ditched their best candidate over this issue perhaps that says more about them than anything else: obsessed with culture war issues at the expense of real world problems does absolutely sum up the current state of the Conservatives tbh.

Penny lost my respect when she changed her tune and lied about her past views. She should have stuck to her guns.

numbertwelve said:

IanB2 said:

So now we are reduced to Deborah Meaden and Anton du Beke opining on the day’s happenings

The BBC always do this. I don’t know why they always think we need the opinions of minor celebrities.

David Olusoga was on before them, and was genuinely interesting.

twistedfirestopper3 said:

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IanB2 said:

pigeon said:

numbertwelve said:

IanB2 said:

So now we are reduced to Deborah Meaden and Anton du Beke opining on the day’s happenings

The BBC always do this. I don’t know why they always think we need the opinions of minor celebrities.

They all do this. They need waffle to fill in the gaps when there's nothing happening.

It’s been four hours now and the only real thing that has happened is the crown landing on Charlie Three’s bonce.

And thousands of male Tories have thrashed off to Mordaunt holding a sword. Funny old day.

And not just the Tories

Sunil_Prasannan said:

twistedfirestopper3 said:

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IanB2 said:

pigeon said:

numbertwelve said:

IanB2 said:

So now we are reduced to Deborah Meaden and Anton du Beke opining on the day’s happenings

The BBC always do this. I don’t know why they always think we need the opinions of minor celebrities.

They all do this. They need waffle to fill in the gaps when there's nothing happening.

It’s been four hours now and the only real thing that has happened is the crown landing on Charlie Three’s bonce.

And thousands of male Tories have thrashed off to Mordaunt holding a sword. Funny old day.

And not just the Tories

You still voting Starmer?

IanB2 said:

So now we are reduced to Deborah Meaden and Anton du Beke opining on the day’s happenings

If you so obviously loathe it and find it laughable - why the fucking fucketty fuck are you watching a single minute of coverage?!

People like you are plastic republicans. You secretly love royalty, but you are too socially insecure to admit this because you associate monarchism with lower class people from Wolverhampton wearing Union Jack hats on the Mall

Malmesbury said:

Chris said:

Malmesbury said:

A

Carnyx said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Dialup said:

The Met Police.

Being attacked in the streets? Bike nicked? Can't help mate.

Placard - to the Tower with you

I am a monarchist but preventing lawful protests by Republicans is wrong on so many levels. Stupid action by Government enacting the laws and stupid action by the police in enforcing them this way.

I don't see the PB Wokefinders for Freedom lamenting this. Just wait for the anti-woke protests under a Labour government. Labour have been given absolute carte blanche to deal with them in the same way.

New Labour had people arrested for holding up, in silence, a placard saying “Remember Tibet” ...

Yes, of course that makes it OK. How could anyone have doubted it?

You're missing the point. The precedents are already there.

Incidentally, the bizarre, and often illegal, infiltration tactics used at that time against harmless protest groups (such as the tree climbing swampy types) are still going through the courts.

Must have been a pretty horrible day for the security services and the police, to be honest. Thankfully, everything appears so far to have passed off peacefully.

It’s difficult to know where to draw the line with protestors, given the number of major events that have been seriously disrupted in the past year. People should have been able to wave banners protesting the King or the monarchy.

King and Queen now on the balcony!

Chris said:

IanB2 said:

TOPPING said:

There was a camera angle from above as a detachment of the Blue and Royals was trit-trotting through which was pretty much exactly like those photos of 1953 or perhaps Churchill's funeral.

Perhaps it was the rain rendering everything colourless and the navy tunics accentuating the monochrome. It was a just a moment but one of a past age.

I assume that when the BBC said it was the biggest military procession for seventy years, it was Churchill’s funeral that holds the record?

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Churchill's funeral was only 58 years ago.

The Queen's coronation was 70 years ago.

Isn’t that just saying that Churchill’s funeral was the largest *since* the last coronation?