As world leaders gather the papers at the end of the era – politicalbetting.com
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Anyone watching it on one of the more interesting channels this has been imposed on? Babestation?0
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He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.IshmaelZ said:
Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.SeanT said:The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5
"Mummy"
Thanks for the £12m.
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Not a sentiment the Queen ever showed in her actions, ofcourse. There's real respect for her in Ireland.SeanT said:Michael Martin: BOW YOUR HEAD, you Fenian devil
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Top tip: myrtle grows really, really easily from cuttings if anyone wants to duplicate that trick0
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It is very impressive.DavidL said:At least it is not a Catholic funeral, people are setting up to leave already. Catholics would have been there for another good hour. Never waste a good audience, as Paul undoubtedly said.
And stately.
I hope though the private internment is a little more human.
This is about the Queen. That will - for the family's sake - be about the person.
Catholic funeral Masses - to me anyway - combine the personal and religious very well. But each to their own. So long as it provides comfort to those grieving, that's what matters.
Why wasn't there the Last Post we get on Remembrance Sunday?0 -
Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.IshmaelZ said:
Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.SeanT said:The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5
"Mummy"
Thanks for the £12m.
https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.2 -
Urrm, how do you know they are using that capability to degrade the signals? AS you mention, it's pretty effing pointless if the malign device uses one of the other GNSS systems.Dura_Ace said:
Hope it's ok with Big G if I answer this...CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
GPS jamming? So if you opened Google Maps it wouldn't know where you are?Andy_Cooke said:
Just looked - there is a NOTAM closing off airspace for the funeral. Plus another one warning that GPS jamming may be in use in the same area, so UAVs will have issues.Jonathan said:Is the airspace over London closed today? The security implications of today are mind boggling.
How does that work, isn't your phone looking for a satellite in the sky? Fascinating.
They (the USA) use BFEA on the satellites to degrade the L1 C/A signal but M-Code (the US military signal) uses a different modulation type and is unaffected. The only people with functioning GNSS in this scenario right now are using Galileo, GLONASS or US sanctioned M-Code receivers.
I'd bet they're just jamming/spoofing the relevant frequencies, which does not require US/EU/Chinese/Russian help and is (apparently) *much* easier and more effective.
Perhaps anyone on the ground with a multi-GNSS system (e.g. some phones or handheld GPS) where the individual GNSSs can be turned off could do a test....
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He's still Prince Andrew. That should be taken away.BartholomewRoberts said:
Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.IshmaelZ said:
Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.SeanT said:The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5
"Mummy"
Thanks for the £12m.
https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.0 -
Look at the way the diamonds are glinting. Just setting it all off perfectly.1
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I’m agreeing with you!BartholomewRoberts said:
In 2002 the fiscal situation was very, very good. There is no disputing that.StillWaters said:
I think you’ve cut your dataOnlyLivingBoy said:
Average structural fiscal deficit as % GDP:BartholomewRoberts said:FPT
Borrowing countercyclically is not something I've ever criticised Brown for actually.Mexicanpete said:
One of the key reasons you detested Brown was his propensity to borrow out of trouble. Why is it OK now?BartholomewRoberts said:
If you don't want that, don't ask for Government expenditure.Carnyx said:
She certainly is paying it on credit.vino said:
Again she will get the credit.Foxy said:
I too am with Octopus and quite impressed. They are stopping some forms of advertising and putting the savings into a hardship fund in order to spend standing charges for 6 months for some vulnerable customers.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Actually I believe that everyone is to receive a personal energy statement on similar lines before the 1st OctoberMexicanpete said:
Thank you Mr Kwartang.vino said:Has anyone else been contacted by their energy supplier to inform of their new tariff. Octopus Energy has told me my direct debit payment will be lowered by 43% from October.
• The Government have announced a 2 year Energy Price Guarantee, capping the increase in prices to £2,500 for a typical home
• The £400 energy bill support scheme will also go ahead with monthly payments from October to March
• This combination of a reduced cap and winter credits means while some unit rates will rise around 30%, typical annual costs will increase less than 10%
• These discounts will be applied automatically: you don't need to do anything
• Your new unit rates will match the Energy Price Guarantee, but your Octopus standing charges will be 4% lower – so you will be saving compared to Energy Price Guarantee rates from October 1
• We're not adjusting monthly payments yet for the new prices. We'll review your payments in the coming weeks and send you a recommendation should they need adjusting
• However from October to March your payments will be reduced by £ XX [ENDATED], as part of the Energy Bill Support Scheme
• We're working hard to help those who need it most this winter. Details below
Well done Liz!!
It is no great thank you to Ms Truss though, we will be paying off the resultant debt in other forms
Asking for a friend.
I detest Brown for his propensity to borrow in the 'good times'. He took our budget surplus we had in 2002 and maxed out the deficit before the recession even hit, that's all I've ever criticised him for. Well that, and ending Bank of England oversight over the Banks.
Increasing borrowing during a recession is inevitable. Increasing borrowing before the recession is where madness lay.
1981-1996 3.6%*
1997-2010 2.9%
2011-2022 3.2%.
* IMF WEO data not available for 1979-80.
IIRC the first couple of years of Blair’s government they stuck to Clarke’s plans… they were starting from a very good place which would help the average.
How about looking at 2001-8 or 2001-10?
The issue is what Brown did from 2002 to 2007/08. He turned the spending caps on full blast in that time, even with taxes going up, so there was nowhere left to move then when the recession inevitably hit.
Brown was OK when he was the self-styled "Iron Chancellor" following Clarke's plans until 2002. It was after then that he trashed the economy. Averages that incorporate upto 2002 are entirely misleading or wilfully failing to understand what the problem was.1 -
A magnificent service to remember a magnificent monarch10
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Charles is apparently trying to get the government to change the law so he is no longer a counsellor of state.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He's still Prince Andrew. That should be taken away.BartholomewRoberts said:
Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.IshmaelZ said:
Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.SeanT said:The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5
"Mummy"
Thanks for the £12m.
https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.2 -
It is an enormous free 70 minute advert for Visit Britain, watched by a billion people
Right down to the horsehair plumes, gently wafted by the faded September sun1 -
We saluted the WE at 'Colours' every morning in the Navy but foreign personnel did not.wooliedyed said:
Im of the opinion you stand in respect, not sing. Australia, as a Commonwealth realm is a bit different imoBartholomewRoberts said:
That's a bit different when they're on stage like that, as opposed to being in a congregation.wooliedyed said:
No, thats why footballers etc don't sing each others anthems.BartholomewRoberts said:
Yes, to show respect.kle4 said:
Honestly not sure of the etiquette of singing someone else's anthem. Obviously Heads of State and government probably shouldn't, but if you are in a crowd somewhere singing Star Spangled Banner should you join in?SeanT said:I REALLY want to see Biden and Macron sing “God Save the King”
EDIT: Unless you don't know the words of course.
When I was a kid at school in Australia I used to sing Advanced Australia Fare when it was done during school services, despite being the POME Bastard of the class. I was taught by my dad, and I agree, that its a matter of showing respect. Like taking your shoes off if someone asks you to do so.
I would never sing The Star Spangled Banner or the Marseillaise but I'd stand whilst Americans and French did
In the USN they salute from the first note of the anthem to the last when it's played at Colors. If there is a foreign warship in formation they play that anthem as well and they salute from the first to the last note of that too. Saluting your way through the Egyptian anthem is grim when you've been up all night and all you want is your breakfast.1 -
Big Ben tolling during the funeral march is awesome3
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On the web Sky is a long way in front of the BBC so be careful if you are betting in running.IshmaelZ said:Sky camerawork beats the shit out of BBC
ETA actually it looks like its the same cameras, better curated by Sky0 -
Like the Queen he never is so vulgar as to sing 'God Save Me'TheScreamingEagles said:Charles is a disgrace.
He didn’t sing the national anthem.0 -
Its really strange seeing the royal guardsmen (sorry I forget their title) holding their big black hats to the side rather than wearing them.0
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Also to remove Mr Markle and Big Eyes Beatrice from the rolekle4 said:
Charles is apparently trying to get the government to change the law so he is no longer a counsellor of state.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He's still Prince Andrew. That should be taken away.BartholomewRoberts said:
Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.IshmaelZ said:
Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.SeanT said:The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5
"Mummy"
Thanks for the £12m.
https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.0 -
Good on Charles, go on son!kle4 said:
Charles is apparently trying to get the government to change the law so he is no longer a counsellor of state.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He's still Prince Andrew. That should be taken away.BartholomewRoberts said:
Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.IshmaelZ said:
Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.SeanT said:The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5
"Mummy"
Thanks for the £12m.
https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.0 -
Think that is still to come. But, according to the BBC the actual internment is at 7.30 pm in Windsor and is private for the family only. My recollection is that Philip is being interred at the same time, together. A great love story, really.Cyclefree said:
It is very impressive.DavidL said:At least it is not a Catholic funeral, people are setting up to leave already. Catholics would have been there for another good hour. Never waste a good audience, as Paul undoubtedly said.
And stately.
I hope though the private internment is a little more human.
This is about the Queen. That will - for the family's sake - be about the person.
Catholic funeral Masses - to me anyway - combine the personal and religious very well. But each to their own. So long as it provides comfort to those grieving, that's what matters.
Why wasn't there the Last Post we get on Remembrance Sunday?1 -
Figures. {A Cockney speaks.}ThomasNashe said:
Close: ActonPeter_the_Punter said:
Where do you live - Moscow?ThomasNashe said:
Washing machine going in the flat above during the 2 mins silence. Also quite a few cars going by.Gallowgate said:Amusingly my neighbour has taken the opportunity to do some serious strimming.
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My god this is extraordinary2
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Besides, to a believer, the whole point is that death has a chunk of joy attached.ydoethur said:
It isn't just you. It was a moving service in many ways, but I didn't find it mournful. That may of course be because of her age. Yes, we will miss her, but as I said at the time I think given the choice she would have chosen the way her life ended and she was 96. Being too sombre would be a bit jarring.Jonathan said:Is it just me, or was that not as sombre and dark as this might have been. I found that positive and light compared to the black and white films of past state funerals.
Not the end, but the start of the good bit.0 -
Philip's not been interred yet?DavidL said:
Think that is still to come. But, according to the BBC the actual internment is at 7.30 pm in Windsor and is private for the family only. My recollection is that Philip is being interred at the same time, together. A great love story, really.Cyclefree said:
It is very impressive.DavidL said:At least it is not a Catholic funeral, people are setting up to leave already. Catholics would have been there for another good hour. Never waste a good audience, as Paul undoubtedly said.
And stately.
I hope though the private internment is a little more human.
This is about the Queen. That will - for the family's sake - be about the person.
Catholic funeral Masses - to me anyway - combine the personal and religious very well. But each to their own. So long as it provides comfort to those grieving, that's what matters.
Why wasn't there the Last Post we get on Remembrance Sunday?
That sounds a bit grim.0 -
I do love the design of the Mall, the trees and flags aligning straight to the palace, and the reddish road. Makes for dramatic imagery.
I believe they removed the traffic lights, but the road markings for the bike lanes do spoil it a bit.2 -
It would be a very sensible measure from all points of view and consistent with his reform of the monarchy.kle4 said:
Charles is apparently trying to get the government to change the law so he is no longer a counsellor of state.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He's still Prince Andrew. That should be taken away.BartholomewRoberts said:
Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.IshmaelZ said:
Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.SeanT said:The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5
"Mummy"
Thanks for the £12m.
https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
If the CoS were the consort, the heir, the heir's consort and then up to any other three members of the RF nominated by the Sovereign it would make everything much easier.1 -
I find the marching before and after even more impressive to be honest.9
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Pedantic, but you can't intern dead monarchs without trial. Interment.DavidL said:
Think that is still to come. But, according to the BBC the actual internment is at 7.30 pm in Windsor and is private for the family only. My recollection is that Philip is being interred at the same time, together. A great love story, really.Cyclefree said:
It is very impressive.DavidL said:At least it is not a Catholic funeral, people are setting up to leave already. Catholics would have been there for another good hour. Never waste a good audience, as Paul undoubtedly said.
And stately.
I hope though the private internment is a little more human.
This is about the Queen. That will - for the family's sake - be about the person.
Catholic funeral Masses - to me anyway - combine the personal and religious very well. But each to their own. So long as it provides comfort to those grieving, that's what matters.
Why wasn't there the Last Post we get on Remembrance Sunday?
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Errrr...where've they kept him in the meanwhile?DavidL said:
Think that is still to come. But, according to the BBC the actual internment is at 7.30 pm in Windsor and is private for the family only. My recollection is that Philip is being interred at the same time, together. A great love story, really.Cyclefree said:
It is very impressive.DavidL said:At least it is not a Catholic funeral, people are setting up to leave already. Catholics would have been there for another good hour. Never waste a good audience, as Paul undoubtedly said.
And stately.
I hope though the private internment is a little more human.
This is about the Queen. That will - for the family's sake - be about the person.
Catholic funeral Masses - to me anyway - combine the personal and religious very well. But each to their own. So long as it provides comfort to those grieving, that's what matters.
Why wasn't there the Last Post we get on Remembrance Sunday?0 -
Wonderful to see the Canadian mounties on their magnificent horses at the front of the parade7
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Partners are often reinterred on the second death, my Nan was reinterred with Grandad when he diedBartholomewRoberts said:
Philip's not been interred yet?DavidL said:
Think that is still to come. But, according to the BBC the actual internment is at 7.30 pm in Windsor and is private for the family only. My recollection is that Philip is being interred at the same time, together. A great love story, really.Cyclefree said:
It is very impressive.DavidL said:At least it is not a Catholic funeral, people are setting up to leave already. Catholics would have been there for another good hour. Never waste a good audience, as Paul undoubtedly said.
And stately.
I hope though the private internment is a little more human.
This is about the Queen. That will - for the family's sake - be about the person.
Catholic funeral Masses - to me anyway - combine the personal and religious very well. But each to their own. So long as it provides comfort to those grieving, that's what matters.
Why wasn't there the Last Post we get on Remembrance Sunday?
That sounds a bit grim.0 -
Churchill’s statue watches over proceedings as the procession begins. https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1571822211752775682/photo/10
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The opposite. A Roman Catholic and Church of Scotland Cardinal and Minister also gave prayers, not just C of E representing the full UK.TOPPING said:It's very, very religious for a quite not religious country. All this shall be received into the grace and glory of the lord and entry into his kingdom, lord this, lord that, I mean I know it has to happen but I would have thought it won't do a huge amount to help the relevance of a modern monarchy.
Also a black pentecostal preacher said a prayer, reflecting the fact that Black British in particular are much more proactively Christian than White British and that wlll help the monarchy with ethnic minority communities and the wider Commonwealth in Africa and the Caribbean especially0 -
He only had one No 1 though.Mexicanpete said:Fergal Keane is excellent
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Right to the end The Queen was thinking: what is good for the United Kingdom?Cyclefree said:I find the marching before and after even more impressive to be honest.
THIS
I genuinely wonder if she died in Scotland *to reinforce the union*
Seriously. She must have known she was close. So why not make the final act of her life a way of reinforcing the UK?
What a woman
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BFEA is for use on "friends" not enemies. Hence the 'B'. Blue Force Electronic Attack.JosiasJessop said:
Urrm, how do you know they are using that capability to degrade the signals? AS you mention, it's pretty effing pointless if the malign device uses one of the other GNSS systems.Dura_Ace said:
Hope it's ok with Big G if I answer this...CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
GPS jamming? So if you opened Google Maps it wouldn't know where you are?Andy_Cooke said:
Just looked - there is a NOTAM closing off airspace for the funeral. Plus another one warning that GPS jamming may be in use in the same area, so UAVs will have issues.Jonathan said:Is the airspace over London closed today? The security implications of today are mind boggling.
How does that work, isn't your phone looking for a satellite in the sky? Fascinating.
They (the USA) use BFEA on the satellites to degrade the L1 C/A signal but M-Code (the US military signal) uses a different modulation type and is unaffected. The only people with functioning GNSS in this scenario right now are using Galileo, GLONASS or US sanctioned M-Code receivers.
It means users of US equipment get exactly as much navigation data as the US wants them to have.
RFEA of other jurisdictional GNSS would use jamming or spoofing from an EW platform.0 -
The whole of the area around the Palace of Westminster and the Abbey has the look on TV of a large cathedral close, which I suppose it is.0
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Good thing most of our important institutions are close to one another, else all these services would be considerably more awkward.0
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I can plead autotext or simply admit to a spelling error. I will go with the latter I think.IshmaelZ said:
Pedantic, but you can't intern dead monarchs without trial. Interment.DavidL said:
Think that is still to come. But, according to the BBC the actual internment is at 7.30 pm in Windsor and is private for the family only. My recollection is that Philip is being interred at the same time, together. A great love story, really.Cyclefree said:
It is very impressive.DavidL said:At least it is not a Catholic funeral, people are setting up to leave already. Catholics would have been there for another good hour. Never waste a good audience, as Paul undoubtedly said.
And stately.
I hope though the private internment is a little more human.
This is about the Queen. That will - for the family's sake - be about the person.
Catholic funeral Masses - to me anyway - combine the personal and religious very well. But each to their own. So long as it provides comfort to those grieving, that's what matters.
Why wasn't there the Last Post we get on Remembrance Sunday?0 -
Are we going to get the money shot of the coffin going past the "The Glorious Dead" inscription?0
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Answer: Yes.Gallowgate said:Are we going to get the money shot of the coffin going past the "The Glorious Dead" inscription?
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Quite something0
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George is our future King, it was right he was thereCorrectHorseBattery3 said:https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1571808487834787840
The Palace reportedly asked the Prince and Princess of Wales to consider bringing Prince George because of the message it sends to the public, as he is the future king
William and Kate are understood to have thought “very carefully” about how much to involve their children
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It was also his great-grandmother's funeral, it is right that he was there.HYUFD said:
George is our future King, it was right he was thereCorrectHorseBattery3 said:https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1571808487834787840
The Palace reportedly asked the Prince and Princess of Wales to consider bringing Prince George because of the message it sends to the public, as he is the future king
William and Kate are understood to have thought “very carefully” about how much to involve their children
Lovely, using a child for PR opportunities.
Or to put it another way, I think they and he would later have regretted it if he hadn't been there.
Edit - and I think Charlotte was there too? Certainly she's in the cortège.2 -
Charles called her Mummy too.BartholomewRoberts said:
Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.IshmaelZ said:
Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.SeanT said:The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5
"Mummy"
Thanks for the £12m.
https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.
A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.3 -
Canadian mounties leading. Australian and New Zealanders in dress in the procession. All put armed forces. Union flags adorning both sides of the Mall.
These are Imperial scenes.1 -
Each toll of the bell underpinned by the sub-bass thud of the gun salute.
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William is really on form. Perfect salute to the noble dead5
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If he hadn’t been there they would have been criticised for leaving him out.HYUFD said:
George is our future King, it was right he was thereCorrectHorseBattery3 said:https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1571808487834787840
The Palace reportedly asked the Prince and Princess of Wales to consider bringing Prince George because of the message it sends to the public, as he is the future king
William and Kate are understood to have thought “very carefully” about how much to involve their children
Lovely, using a child for PR opportunities.
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I like the procession saluting the Cenotaph as they go past it.8
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After the service I thought “how do they top that?”’And they are…Cyclefree said:I find the marching before and after even more impressive to be honest.
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Fitting for our last Imperial Monarch and the last Monarch of the British Empire, now long goneCasino_Royale said:Canadian mounties leading. Australian and New Zealanders in dress in the procession. All put armed forces. Union flags adorning both sides of the Mall.
These are Imperial scenes.1 -
Fitting as well, given she was one of the country's last surviving war veterans.BartholomewRoberts said:I like the procession saluting the Cenotaph as they go past it.
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The view down the Mall just now - stunning.8
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Horsepoop on the Mall - someone out with a brush quickly!0
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This bit is really special. The music, the bells, the guns.1
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Are you talking to me? I was saying that too.Cyclefree said:
Charles called her Mummy too.BartholomewRoberts said:
Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.IshmaelZ said:
Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.SeanT said:The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5
"Mummy"
Thanks for the £12m.
https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.
A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
If you've got nothing nice to say, then say nothing at all. Especially when people are grieving.0 -
Better than that. This is the Commonwealth.Casino_Royale said:Canadian mounties leading. Australian and New Zealanders in dress in the procession. All put armed forces. Union flags adorning both sides of the Mall.
These are Imperial scenes.4 -
I kind of like the royals doing the procession, Charles kind of just blends in as one amongst many, not the King.0
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I love the Cenotaph, it is an excellent memorial.6
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The fun thing is apparently we didn't used to, but then once we got good at them we convinced ourselves we always had been.OldKingCole said:2 -
Striking, but not flashy.Gallowgate said:I love the Cenotaph, it is an excellent memorial.
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Yes, George and Charlotte were both in the front row in the Abbey.ydoethur said:
It was also his great-grandmother's funeral, it is right that he was there.HYUFD said:
George is our future King, it was right he was thereCorrectHorseBattery3 said:https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1571808487834787840
The Palace reportedly asked the Prince and Princess of Wales to consider bringing Prince George because of the message it sends to the public, as he is the future king
William and Kate are understood to have thought “very carefully” about how much to involve their children
Lovely, using a child for PR opportunities.
Or to put it another way, I think they and he would later have regretted it if he hadn't been there.
Edit - and I think Charlotte was there too? Certainly she's in the cortège.0 -
The procession is more impressive than the funeral.5
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That and the casket being placed on the gun carriage at the start are the things that have moved me the most, and when the bagpipes started so did the tears.BartholomewRoberts said:I like the procession saluting the Cenotaph as they go past it.
God Save the King.
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That's where he got the idea, sure. Works better in some contexts than others.Cyclefree said:
Charles called her Mummy too.BartholomewRoberts said:
Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.IshmaelZ said:
Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.SeanT said:The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5
"Mummy"
Thanks for the £12m.
https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.
A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
He is an utterly repulsive creep whose presence puts the dignity of the whole funeral at risk. I very much hope that this is his last public appearance.
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I stand by what I said about Prince Andrew.
He's welcome to grieve at a funeral, no issue with that. He shouldn't be a Prince, he shouldn't get any publicity.0 -
Its extraordinary.2
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It'a quite impressive that he and Anne are both able to do this much marching, given their age.kle4 said:I kind of like the royals doing the procession, Charles kind of just blends in as one amongst many, not the King.
But then, Philip did the same for Diana's coffin when he was 76. And he volunteered for that to support William and Harry.5 -
Yeah, and that's my point. Any malign actor would just use a multi-GNSS system (heck, even chip) such as Furuno's offerings and use the non-GPS system. Therefore to be effective, they need to block *all* GNSSs. And (AIUI) they are all in similar frequency bands within L-band for operational and legal (ITU) reasons, that's not as complicated as it could be.Dura_Ace said:
BFEA is for use on "friends" not enemies. Hence the 'B'. Blue Force Electronic Attack.JosiasJessop said:
Urrm, how do you know they are using that capability to degrade the signals? AS you mention, it's pretty effing pointless if the malign device uses one of the other GNSS systems.Dura_Ace said:
Hope it's ok with Big G if I answer this...CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
GPS jamming? So if you opened Google Maps it wouldn't know where you are?Andy_Cooke said:
Just looked - there is a NOTAM closing off airspace for the funeral. Plus another one warning that GPS jamming may be in use in the same area, so UAVs will have issues.Jonathan said:Is the airspace over London closed today? The security implications of today are mind boggling.
How does that work, isn't your phone looking for a satellite in the sky? Fascinating.
They (the USA) use BFEA on the satellites to degrade the L1 C/A signal but M-Code (the US military signal) uses a different modulation type and is unaffected. The only people with functioning GNSS in this scenario right now are using Galileo, GLONASS or US sanctioned M-Code receivers.
It means users of US equipment get exactly as much navigation data as the US wants them to have.
RFEA of other jurisdictional GNSS would use jamming or spoofing from an EW platform.0 -
Sorry @BartholomewRoberts - that was addressed to @CorrectHorseBattery not you. My apologies.Cyclefree said:
Charles called her Mummy too.BartholomewRoberts said:
Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.IshmaelZ said:
Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.SeanT said:The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5
"Mummy"
Thanks for the £12m.
https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.
A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.4 -
Yes - she’s in the first car of the cortège with her brother, the Queen and the Princess of Wales.ydoethur said:
It was also his great-grandmother's funeral, it is right that he was there.HYUFD said:
George is our future King, it was right he was thereCorrectHorseBattery3 said:https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1571808487834787840
The Palace reportedly asked the Prince and Princess of Wales to consider bringing Prince George because of the message it sends to the public, as he is the future king
William and Kate are understood to have thought “very carefully” about how much to involve their children
Lovely, using a child for PR opportunities.
Or to put it another way, I think they and he would later have regretted it if he hadn't been there.
Edit - and I think Charlotte was there too? Certainly she's in the cortège.0 -
It is though tied in with our royal family, a President's state funeral wouldn't be quite the same, or so BritishOldKingCole said:1 -
Absolutely blown away by the state funeral procession. Such power and respect on show.5
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How much a month do I need to put away for this plan ?10
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pm'd you btwCasino_Royale said:Canadian mounties leading. Australian and New Zealanders in dress in the procession. All put armed forces. Union flags adorning both sides of the Mall.
These are Imperial scenes.0 -
It's not a memorial, it's a cenotaph. An empty tomb.Gallowgate said:I love the Cenotaph, it is an excellent memorial.
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Charlotte looks more like the young Queen than anyone else in the entire family.ydoethur said:
It was also his great-grandmother's funeral, it is right that he was there.HYUFD said:
George is our future King, it was right he was thereCorrectHorseBattery3 said:https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1571808487834787840
The Palace reportedly asked the Prince and Princess of Wales to consider bringing Prince George because of the message it sends to the public, as he is the future king
William and Kate are understood to have thought “very carefully” about how much to involve their children
Lovely, using a child for PR opportunities.
Or to put it another way, I think they and he would later have regretted it if he hadn't been there.
Edit - and I think Charlotte was there too? Certainly she's in the cortège.0 -
I stand by what I said.Cyclefree said:
Sorry @BartholomewRoberts - that was addressed to @CorrectHorseBattery not you. My apologies.Cyclefree said:
Charles called her Mummy too.BartholomewRoberts said:
Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.IshmaelZ said:
Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.SeanT said:The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5
"Mummy"
Thanks for the £12m.
https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.
A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
I've got no issue with him grieving at a funeral.
He shouldn't be a Prince and the publicity he's been given is insulting and sickening.1 -
Top class pedantry!JohnLilburne said:
It's not a memorial, it's a cenotaph. An empty tomb.Gallowgate said:I love the Cenotaph, it is an excellent memorial.
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I've got a heart of stone, and even I'm a little moved by the procession - as you say, much more so than the funeral itself.BartholomewRoberts said:The procession is more impressive than the funeral.
Not sure whether it is the element of somber finality to it all, or just that as an atheist it feels more meaningful to me than the service.3 -
It's perfect.Scott_xP said:Each toll of the bell underpinned by the sub-bass thud of the gun salute.
It's sublime
Also, how they went under the arch into Horseguard with inches to spare on either side, but in perfect time and precision.0 -
Britain's Sic transit gloria mundi moment? Or renewal and rebirth?0
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It's a shot for the ages.Cyclefree said:The view down the Mall just now - stunning.
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Where will the front of the procession go while HMQ heads to Wellington Arch? The RCMP must be about 1 mile ahead.0
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This really is impressive.
I like the style of marching at events like this. Synchronised, but not excessively so in the self-parodic North Korean fashion. The French are good at that too.
The weather has behaved impeccably.2 -
Not sure there's much more they can do without getting some laws changed by Parliament (which it sounds like Charles will do).CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
I stand by what I said.Cyclefree said:
Sorry @BartholomewRoberts - that was addressed to @CorrectHorseBattery not you. My apologies.Cyclefree said:
Charles called her Mummy too.BartholomewRoberts said:
Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.IshmaelZ said:
Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.SeanT said:The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5
"Mummy"
Thanks for the £12m.
https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.
A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
I've got no issue with him grieving at a funeral.
He shouldn't be a Prince and the publicity he's been given is insulting and sickening.
He hasn't been convicted nor has he admitted anything illegal. And I think the site moderators are being quite generous with what they have let you say so far.
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I'm not really convinced by that.TimS said:Watching as the trumpets play and the organ chimes in, and then the bagpipes start sounding I’m struck by how exotic Britain is.
It’s easy to imagine yourself a foreign viewer today wondering at the sheer differentness of this country and its national rituals.
Every country has their own ceremonial, often rooted in tradition, or reinvented versions of tradition.
See for example, funeral ceremonies held in the Reichstag or the Requiem Mass for French Presidents.
Or, for sheer differentness, try Chile with their pickelhaube and goosesteps inherited from the Prussian Military who retrained their armed forces more than a century ago. I think Sweden still do Pickelhaube.
Or as DA pointed out the other day, the Greeks with their interesting ceremonial uniforms.
New countries recreate their own, and to me that feels more incongruous than something developed from an historical tradition, which I put under the "life's rich tapestry" label.
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Possibly and even probably both. She is the last link with the Empire. But that in itself means we can now move on.wooliedyed said:Britain's Sic transit gloria mundi moment? Or renewal and rebirth?
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I think the Commonwealth flags line Constitution Hill from Buckingham Palace to Waterloo Arch.Casino_Royale said:Canadian mounties leading. Australian and New Zealanders in dress in the procession. All put armed forces. Union flags adorning both sides of the Mall.
These are Imperial scenes.
The BBC earlier was interviewing a Kiwi soldier who was evidently a bit jet lagged.0 -
You sure? I was the one who objected to the entitled old predator's use of the word "mummy."Cyclefree said:
Sorry @BartholomewRoberts - that was addressed to @CorrectHorseBattery not you. My apologies.Cyclefree said:
Charles called her Mummy too.BartholomewRoberts said:
Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.IshmaelZ said:
Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.SeanT said:The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5
"Mummy"
Thanks for the £12m.
https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.
A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
The reason being, it is a child's word for mother. Fine and rhetorically effective for the adult Charles to have used it in the circs he did. Anyone not thicker than a dead pig (so not Andrew or his advisers) should be able to see that a blurring of the adult/child distinction coming from him is, ahem, inappropriate.
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Better consult the authoritative and totally objective New York Times for an answer to that.wooliedyed said:Britain's Sic transit gloria mundi moment? Or renewal and rebirth?
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Very fortunate with the weather, everything gleaming in the sunshine.
Wouldn't be the same if it was absolutely pissing it down like when Truss became PM and they had to bring the lectern back inside and do an extended drive around London in order to get a short break in the rain for her speech outside Number 10.1
