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  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,779
    edited May 2023

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    .......

    ...

    That's dreadful.
    If these protesters hadn't done anything wrong, they wouldn't have had anything to worry about.
    What have they done wrong, though? Anything worse than Just Stop Oil or any other eco protestors?
    Sarcasm really is wasted on some people.
    Yeah, the internet doesn't convey it. Sorry.
    My fault for indulging in the lowest form of wit. But what else can you do, if this is how the Met responds to all the richly deserved criticisms of the past few weeks?
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,671
    DavidL said:

    Great line by Clare Balding. Fairy tales were inspired by this.

    I think it is more the other way round. But yes.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,481
    Theravada but no Mahayana?
    Play it safe.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,217
    In fact this is “Now that’s what I call Britain” pretty much. At least the tourist version of it. They’re now walking around, in the rain of course, surrounded by guards in busbys, to the sound of cathedral bells.

    Like ChatGPT and midjourney being asked to generate an imaginary British state ceremony.

    What’s an equivalent in another country? Opera singers in gondolas punting down the road to the coliseum while Gucci-clad male models in sunglasses drive after them in Ferraris eating ice creams?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,032

    Maybe I'm a republican and "slightly" biased, but Penny is WAY more gorgeous than any of the Windsor females, including Kate.

    There, I said it...

    all sound and fury, signifying nothing
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,778
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Penny, and the three men behind her, still have their swords up after an hour and a half.

    Read all about Mordaunt’s planning at https://www.politico.eu/article/my-part-in-the-pomp-meet-the-uk-minister-carrying-a-huge-sword-for-king-charles/
    Good piece, she’s done a brilliant job today, as she did with the Ascession Council back in September.
    That sword is 4’ long and weighs 8lb, her military training would have come in very useful.
    You don't get much training in a total of 27 days reserve service and she's clearly too porky to pass an RNFT.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156
    TimS said:

    In fact this is “Now that’s what I call Britain” pretty much. At least the tourist version of it. They’re now walking around, in the rain of course, surrounded by guards in busbys, to the sound of cathedral bells.

    Like ChatGPT and midjourney being asked to generate an imaginary British state ceremony.

    What’s an equivalent in another country? Opera singers in gondolas punting down the road to the coliseum while Gucci-clad male models in sunglasses drive after them in Ferraris eating ice creams?

    "Rome was founded as a republic."
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,260
    DavidL said:

    Maybe I'm a republican and "slightly" biased, but Penny is WAY more gorgeous than any of the Windsor females, including Kate.

    There, I said it...

    all sound and fury, signifying nothing
    Signifying something quite similar to Kate, I think. They're both good at empathising in public, but also have a certain poise.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,468
    RobD said:

    All hail Queen Penny, swordmistress!

    Singing the anthem while walking with the sword. Is there nothing she can’t do?
    Just think- a few years earlier, we'd have had Jacob Rees-Mogg in the role.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,164
    TimS said:

    In fact this is “Now that’s what I call Britain” pretty much. At least the tourist version of it. They’re now walking around, in the rain of course, surrounded by guards in busbys, to the sound of cathedral bells.

    Like ChatGPT and midjourney being asked to generate an imaginary British state ceremony.

    What’s an equivalent in another country? Opera singers in gondolas punting down the road to the coliseum while Gucci-clad male models in sunglasses drive after them in Ferraris eating ice creams?

    The Italians love this sort of stuff as well - even little villages have their festa parade where they all dress up in medieval gear. They could probably run us a close second.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156

    It's done. Not too bad actually- tastes like a quiche!


    Hopefully those are free-range maggots?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,036
    This is quite the parade. Pretty much the whole military must have been either training Ukranians or preparing for today.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,806

    It's done. Not too bad actually- tastes like a quiche!


    Good effort - well done!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,045
    So, does your car have an orb holder? :D
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,679

    RobD said:

    All hail Queen Penny, swordmistress!

    Singing the anthem while walking with the sword. Is there nothing she can’t do?
    Just think- a few years earlier, we'd have had Jacob Rees-Mogg in the role.
    I try not to think of that. It would have utterly ruined it for me.
  • .
    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    .......

    ...

    That's dreadful.
    If these protesters hadn't done anything wrong, they wouldn't have had anything to worry about.
    What have they done wrong, though? Anything worse than Just Stop Oil or any other eco protestors?
    Sarcasm really is wasted on some people.
    Yeah, the internet doesn't convey it. Sorry.
    My fault for indulging in the lowest form of wit. But what else can you do, if this is how the Met responds to all the richly deserved criticisms of the past few weeks?
    It did phase me a bit, didn't seem like your usual politics!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156
    edited May 2023
    stjohn said:

    Apparently Penny is going to walk behind the gold stagecoach, steering the back wheels to ensure they avoid any potholes and giving the carriage a push now and again to help out the horses. What a gal!

    You mean they didn't spend any money fixing said potholes?

    Tsk! What is this country coming to?!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,032
    mwadams said:

    DavidL said:

    Great line by Clare Balding. Fairy tales were inspired by this.

    I think it is more the other way round. But yes.
    That was the point she was making as they got into a carriage more than 250 years old.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,036

    RobD said:

    All hail Queen Penny, swordmistress!

    Singing the anthem while walking with the sword. Is there nothing she can’t do?
    Just think- a few years earlier, we'd have had Jacob Rees-Mogg in the role.
    He would have been good in the role too. In a quite different way to Penny, but still an upholder of tradition and ceremony.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,260
    Sandpit said:

    RobD said:

    All hail Queen Penny, swordmistress!

    Singing the anthem while walking with the sword. Is there nothing she can’t do?
    Just think- a few years earlier, we'd have had Jacob Rees-Mogg in the role.
    He would have been good in the role too. In a quite different way to Penny, but still an upholder of tradition and ceremony.
    Certainly an upholder of something.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,929
    As I hear from an American commentator:

    'When the British Monarchy request sharks with lazer beams, they GET sharks with lazer beams.'
  • Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Penny, and the three men behind her, still have their swords up after an hour and a half.

    Read all about Mordaunt’s planning at https://www.politico.eu/article/my-part-in-the-pomp-meet-the-uk-minister-carrying-a-huge-sword-for-king-charles/
    Good piece, she’s done a brilliant job today, as she did with the Ascession Council back in September.
    That sword is 4’ long and weighs 8lb, her military training would have come in very useful.
    You don't get much training in a total of 27 days reserve service and she's clearly too porky to pass an RNFT.
    Leave it. She's the Tories new hope. Still makes me laugh that when she was promoted to DCLOG by Cameron, she was questioning why the FBU were congratulating her and were keen to work with her...she didn't realise that her new office was responsible for the Fire Service. Still, at least she gives the Tories something to cling onto.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,706
    Do horses have to pay the ULEZ charge? There are lots of emissions.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,164

    Sandpit said:

    RobD said:

    All hail Queen Penny, swordmistress!

    Singing the anthem while walking with the sword. Is there nothing she can’t do?
    Just think- a few years earlier, we'd have had Jacob Rees-Mogg in the role.
    He would have been good in the role too. In a quite different way to Penny, but still an upholder of tradition and ceremony.
    Certainly an upholder of something.
    I doubt he would have been able to hold it up for so long.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,147
    TimS said:

    In fact this is “Now that’s what I call Britain” pretty much. At least the tourist version of it. They’re now walking around, in the rain of course, surrounded by guards in busbys, to the sound of cathedral bells.

    Like ChatGPT and midjourney being asked to generate an imaginary British state ceremony.

    What’s an equivalent in another country? Opera singers in gondolas punting down the road to the coliseum while Gucci-clad male models in sunglasses drive after them in Ferraris eating ice creams?

    Well get a load of the Spanish Legion here!

    https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJunTJwM/
  • It's done. Not too bad actually- tastes like a quiche!


    Good effort.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    Yes congrats to @viewcode for a beautifully written threaded. Nice
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,952
    That is one hell of an Uber they have ordered to get home....
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,217
    edited May 2023
    Foxy said:

    TimS said:

    In fact this is “Now that’s what I call Britain” pretty much. At least the tourist version of it. They’re now walking around, in the rain of course, surrounded by guards in busbys, to the sound of cathedral bells.

    Like ChatGPT and midjourney being asked to generate an imaginary British state ceremony.

    What’s an equivalent in another country? Opera singers in gondolas punting down the road to the coliseum while Gucci-clad male models in sunglasses drive after them in Ferraris eating ice creams?

    Well get a load of the Spanish Legion here!

    https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJunTJwM/
    Reminds me of Michael Stipe in the video for Stand.


  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,045

    That is one hell of an Uber they have ordered to get home....

    As nice as it may be, they are still stuck in traffic.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

    I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,779

    RobD said:

    All hail Queen Penny, swordmistress!

    Singing the anthem while walking with the sword. Is there nothing she can’t do?
    Just think- a few years earlier, we'd have had Jacob Rees-Mogg in the role.
    How far back in time would he have gone? Woad and a loin-cloth?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,036
    RobD said:

    That is one hell of an Uber they have ordered to get home....

    As nice as it may be, they are still stuck in traffic.
    Going along at walking pace.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156
    Sandpit said:

    RobD said:

    That is one hell of an Uber they have ordered to get home....

    As nice as it may be, they are still stuck in traffic.
    Going along at walking pace.
    Birdcage Walk would have been quicker :lol:
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,164
    So it looks like the flypast might be coming…
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,164
    Leon said:

    I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

    I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

    I would imagine you are missing the floats with waving teenage girls in swimming costume?
  • .
    Sandpit said:

    RobD said:

    All hail Queen Penny, swordmistress!

    Singing the anthem while walking with the sword. Is there nothing she can’t do?
    Just think- a few years earlier, we'd have had Jacob Rees-Mogg in the role.
    He would have been good in the role too. In a quite different way to Penny, but still an upholder of tradition and ceremony.
    Rees Mogg plays his part perfectly. As a @#£%!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,177
    A
    Carnyx said:

    Dialup said:

    The Met Police.

    Being attacked in the streets? Bike nicked? Can't help mate.

    Placard - to the Tower with you

    I am a monarchist but preventing lawful protests by Republicans is wrong on so many levels. Stupid action by Government enacting the laws and stupid action by the police in enforcing them this way.
    I don't see the PB Wokefinders for Freedom lamenting this. Just wait for the anti-woke protests under a Labour government. Labour have been given absolute carte blanche to deal with them in the same way.
    New Labour had people arrested for holding up, in silence, a placard saying “Remember Tibet”

    Wearing a t-shirt with “Bollocks to Blair” on it would get you stopped by the police along Whitehall.

    The cabinet secretary justified the arrest of an opposition MP on the grounds that the leaks to the said MP had upset the spin doctors lies to the press.

    Labour has always been authoritarian. Not understanding that the LibDems are serious about civil liberties has long confused relations between the two parties.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,706
    Leon said:

    I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

    I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

    I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,476
    @viewcode

    Lovely piece. Despite the short notice 😂
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,217
    TimS said:

    Foxy said:

    TimS said:

    In fact this is “Now that’s what I call Britain” pretty much. At least the tourist version of it. They’re now walking around, in the rain of course, surrounded by guards in busbys, to the sound of cathedral bells.

    Like ChatGPT and midjourney being asked to generate an imaginary British state ceremony.

    What’s an equivalent in another country? Opera singers in gondolas punting down the road to the coliseum while Gucci-clad male models in sunglasses drive after them in Ferraris eating ice creams?

    Well get a load of the Spanish Legion here!

    https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJunTJwM/
    Reminds me of Michael Stipe in the video for Stand.


    I misremembered. It’s pop song 89

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QhwdcdoSP2Y
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    Seems like quite a low turnout crowd-wise. Weather or zeitgeist?

    Highlights of the ceremony for me: the 6th century bible and Zadok the Priest. Both genuinely awesome.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,806
    edited May 2023
    I assume the flypast will still be on, hard to tell from the TV footage but cloudbase is what 1,000 - 1,500ft?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,779

    A

    Carnyx said:

    Dialup said:

    The Met Police.

    Being attacked in the streets? Bike nicked? Can't help mate.

    Placard - to the Tower with you

    I am a monarchist but preventing lawful protests by Republicans is wrong on so many levels. Stupid action by Government enacting the laws and stupid action by the police in enforcing them this way.
    I don't see the PB Wokefinders for Freedom lamenting this. Just wait for the anti-woke protests under a Labour government. Labour have been given absolute carte blanche to deal with them in the same way.
    New Labour had people arrested for holding up, in silence, a placard saying “Remember Tibet” ...
    Yes, of course that makes it OK. How could anyone have doubted it?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,164

    A

    Carnyx said:

    Dialup said:

    The Met Police.

    Being attacked in the streets? Bike nicked? Can't help mate.

    Placard - to the Tower with you

    I am a monarchist but preventing lawful protests by Republicans is wrong on so many levels. Stupid action by Government enacting the laws and stupid action by the police in enforcing them this way.
    I don't see the PB Wokefinders for Freedom lamenting this. Just wait for the anti-woke protests under a Labour government. Labour have been given absolute carte blanche to deal with them in the same way.
    New Labour had people arrested for holding up, in silence, a placard saying “Remember Tibet”

    Wearing a t-shirt with “Bollocks to Blair” on it would get you stopped by the police along Whitehall.

    The cabinet secretary justified the arrest of an opposition MP on the grounds that the leaks to the said MP had upset the spin doctors lies to the press.

    Labour has always been authoritarian. Not understanding that the LibDems are serious about civil liberties has long confused relations between the two parties.
    Yep, liberals and socialists often agree on ends but rarely on means.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,217

    A

    Carnyx said:

    Dialup said:

    The Met Police.

    Being attacked in the streets? Bike nicked? Can't help mate.

    Placard - to the Tower with you

    I am a monarchist but preventing lawful protests by Republicans is wrong on so many levels. Stupid action by Government enacting the laws and stupid action by the police in enforcing them this way.
    I don't see the PB Wokefinders for Freedom lamenting this. Just wait for the anti-woke protests under a Labour government. Labour have been given absolute carte blanche to deal with them in the same way.
    New Labour had people arrested for holding up, in silence, a placard saying “Remember Tibet”

    Wearing a t-shirt with “Bollocks to Blair” on it would get you stopped by the police along Whitehall.

    The cabinet secretary justified the arrest of an opposition MP on the grounds that the leaks to the said MP had upset the spin doctors lies to the press.

    Labour has always been authoritarian. Not understanding that the LibDems are serious about civil liberties has long confused relations between the two parties.
    It’s the main reason I’m a Lib Dem.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,388
    Wonder if Harry is already on his way back to LA?
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,039
    To prepare for all this fuss, I re-read Arthur C. Clarke's short story, "Refugee", and thought again, as I have before, that your new monarch might have benefited from a similar experience.

    (The story is in Clarke's collection, "The Other Side of the Sky", and probably other places. The collection is uneven but has several other stories I like.)
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,260

    I assume the flypast will still be on, hard to tell from the TV footage but cloudbase is what 1,000 - 1,500ft?

    Dura Ace may be able to help there, I think, with the view from a cockpit veteran.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,164

    I assume the flypast will still be on, hard to tell from the TV footage but cloudbase is what 1,000 - 1,500ft?

    There’s footage of helicopters en route already. The issue will be the larger aircraft for whom a bit of altitude is prudent.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,260
    edited May 2023
    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

    I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

    I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.
    I also agree with this. I think one of things holding back a more Scandinavian monarchy is a still slightly over-militarised aspect. The pageantry can be beautiful at times, though - see the Red Arrows, also and too.
  • So, I think I've found the answer to the question I posed a few days ago. Tories on here don't seem to like the current Conservative party very much, and certainly not that keen on the current leadership, so I asked: Who do you want?

    Clearly, she's been found. Mordaunt.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,147
    GIN1138 said:

    Wonder if Harry is already on his way back to LA?

    He is in Court Wednesday, so probably not.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,546
    edited May 2023
    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    Quite so. Most people, but not all, enjoy ceremony and ritual.

    And, that ties in to the question on the previous thread, why would people who are not religious believers have church weddings? IMHO, studying ancient history probably gives the answer. Nobody was concerned, prior to the rise of Christianity, about what people believed. But, they were very much concerned that proper riturals were observed, and that the State Gods were given their due. And, the consequences of not performing the correct ritual and giving honour to the Gods could be lethal.

    Ceremony and ritual both appeal to something quite deep-rooted in human nature.

    I had a Church wedding though neither me, my bride nor either set of parents were religious. The vicar didn't seem to mind much at all, so a few years later he christened Fox Jr, even though we hadn't been back since the wedding, nor another Church.

    I found the Vicar so open and non judgemental, and wanting to bring up Fox Jr with the right set of values, so started seeking. I soon came upon a Church to my taste, rather more puritan in ethos and without the obscure smells and spells liturgy etc. I have been a Christian ever since. There were many steps on that path from atheism, but a Church Wedding was a key one.

    A good header @Viewcode.

    Ceremony dragging on a bit now, get the Gospel singers back to liven up the crowd!
    Thanks. That’s very interesting.

    The singing was the best part of the ceremony.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

    I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

    I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.
    Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombastic

    That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,147

    Seems like quite a low turnout crowd-wise. Weather or zeitgeist?

    Highlights of the ceremony for me: the 6th century bible and Zadok the Priest. Both genuinely awesome.

    Surely the "look what you could have had" with Miss Moneypenny.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

    I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

    I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.
    Not really.

    Loving it in our house. We are bouncing along , toasting and cheering.

    It's one hell of a show.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,870
    The pale blue tiles of the fountain outside buck palace look like a municipal swimming pool circa 1970.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,034
    Sandpit said:

    RobD said:

    All hail Queen Penny, swordmistress!

    Singing the anthem while walking with the sword. Is there nothing she can’t do?
    Just think- a few years earlier, we'd have had Jacob Rees-Mogg in the role.
    He would have been good in the role too. In a quite different way to Penny, but still an upholder of tradition and ceremony.
    He would have smirked.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    Quite so. Most people, but not all, enjoy ceremony and ritual.

    And, that ties in to the question on the previous thread, why would people who are not religious believers have church weddings? IMHO, studying ancient history probably gives the answer. Nobody was concerned, prior to the rise of Christianity, about what people believed. But, they were very much concerned that proper riturals were observed, and that the State Gods were given their due. And, the consequences of not performing the correct ritual and giving honour to the Gods could be lethal.

    Ceremony and ritual both appeal to something quite deep-rooted in human nature.

    I had a Church wedding though neither me, my bride nor either set of parents were religious. The vicar didn't seem to mind much at all, so a few years later he christened Fox Jr, even though we hadn't been back since the wedding, nor another Church.

    I found the Vicar so open and non judgemental, and wanting to bring up Fox Jr with the right set of values, so started seeking. I soon came upon a Church to my taste, rather more puritan in ethos and without the obscure smells and spells liturgy etc. I have been a Christian ever since. There were many steps on that path from atheism, but a Church Wedding was a key one.

    A good header @Viewcode.

    Ceremony dragging on a bit now, get the Gospel singers back to liven up the crowd!
    Thanks for sharing.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,546
    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

    I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

    I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.
    Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombastic

    That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival
    I was once in Riga on Independence Day, and found the military parade, followed by fireworks on the river, rather impressive.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Seems like quite a low turnout crowd-wise. Weather or zeitgeist?

    Highlights of the ceremony for me: the 6th century bible and Zadok the Priest. Both genuinely awesome.

    Also: the entrance of the monarchs and the cries of Vivat. The singing of Bryn Terfel. The moment they put the crown on Chas. The mad Protestant oath. The moving moment with William and his Dad

    The emergence into the bells. The gospel was nice

    AND PENNY MORDAUNT
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,260
    edited May 2023
    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

    I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

    I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.
    Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombastic

    That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival
    Exactly what I was going to post ; the emphasis on huge parades is really a holdover from imperial times, when it was a necessary show to adversaries.

    I think that the future of these ceremonies should be tasteful and grand, with some mystical elements retained, but also smaller. If Charles has any sense with his slimming-down plans, this should be included, because it also sends an important message about the role of the monarchy, and its awareness of its place in society.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,164
    TimS said:

    A

    Carnyx said:

    Dialup said:

    The Met Police.

    Being attacked in the streets? Bike nicked? Can't help mate.

    Placard - to the Tower with you

    I am a monarchist but preventing lawful protests by Republicans is wrong on so many levels. Stupid action by Government enacting the laws and stupid action by the police in enforcing them this way.
    I don't see the PB Wokefinders for Freedom lamenting this. Just wait for the anti-woke protests under a Labour government. Labour have been given absolute carte blanche to deal with them in the same way.
    New Labour had people arrested for holding up, in silence, a placard saying “Remember Tibet”

    Wearing a t-shirt with “Bollocks to Blair” on it would get you stopped by the police along Whitehall.

    The cabinet secretary justified the arrest of an opposition MP on the grounds that the leaks to the said MP had upset the spin doctors lies to the press.

    Labour has always been authoritarian. Not understanding that the LibDems are serious about civil liberties has long confused relations between the two parties.
    It’s the main reason I’m a Lib Dem.
    In my long experience as a councillor, I found it a real mental block when dealing with Labour councillors. So often, if the object of a proposal was of merit they simply couldn’t understand why we were concerned with how it was to be done. And we couldn’t understand why they couldn’t understand that how things are done very often matters just as much as the outcome.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

    I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

    I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.
    Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombastic

    That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival
    I expect Putin will take more notice on the military parades we and the French put on than the great ceremony we just witnessed however.

    Just coming back from Whitehall now in the drizzle, we caught a glimpse of the new King and Queen in their coach on the way back. Will watch the full ceremony on iplayer tonight
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,961
    Leon said:

    I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

    I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

    Surprised you write this.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    Penny came in holding a huge sword, gave it away and paid a load of money to get a smaller one back. It seemed truly symbolic to me ;-)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987

    Ah, the North Korean bit!

    Monarchy = Socialism! :lol:

    No state control of the economy = Socialism


    Monarchy is the essence of Toryism
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,049
    There was a camera angle from above as a detachment of the Blue and Royals was trit-trotting through which was pretty much exactly like those photos of 1953 or perhaps Churchill's funeral.

    Perhaps it was the rain rendering everything colourless and the navy tunics accentuating the monochrome. It was a just a moment but one of a past age.
  • HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

    I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

    I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.
    Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombastic

    That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival
    I expect Putin will take more notice on the military parades we and the French put on than the great ceremony we just witnessed however.

    Just coming back from Whitehall now in the drizzle, we caught a glimpse of the new King and Queen in their coach on the way back. Will watch the full ceremony on iplayer tonight
    Genuine question, why would Putin take note of our parades, no matter how well choreographed they are?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,806

    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

    I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

    I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.
    Not really.

    Loving it in our house. We are bouncing along , toasting and cheering.

    It's one hell of a show.
    Overall it seems much less impressive than the Queen's funeral to me. Fine in itself, well-executed, beautiful music but not quite on the same level.

    Glad it all appears to have gone off safely though - all credit to the security services.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

    I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

    I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.
    Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombastic

    That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival
    Exactly what I was going to post ; the emphasis on huge parades is really a holdover from imperial times, when it was a necessary show to adversaries.

    I think that the future of these ceremonies should be tasteful and grand, with some mystical elements ; but also smaller. If Charles has any sense with his slimming-down plans, this should be included, because it also sends an important message about the role of the monarchy and its awareness of its place in society.
    It works for funerals. It was tremendous for QE2. The coffin on the gun carriage

    But for more positive events - weddings, jubilees and coronations (however serious) somettjg more joyous is needed
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,871
    ohnotnow said:

    Sandpit said:

    RobD said:

    All hail Queen Penny, swordmistress!

    Singing the anthem while walking with the sword. Is there nothing she can’t do?
    Just think- a few years earlier, we'd have had Jacob Rees-Mogg in the role.
    He would have been good in the role too. In a quite different way to Penny, but still an upholder of tradition and ceremony.
    He would have smirked.
    He may have reclined on his pew if proceedings became onerous.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,164
    TOPPING said:

    There was a camera angle from above as a detachment of the Blue and Royals was trit-trotting through which was pretty much exactly like those photos of 1953 or perhaps Churchill's funeral.

    Perhaps it was the rain rendering everything colourless and the navy tunics accentuating the monochrome. It was a just a moment but one of a past age.

    I assume that when the BBC said it was the biggest military procession for seventy years, it was Churchill’s funeral that holds the record?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,388
    edited May 2023
    Foxy said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Wonder if Harry is already on his way back to LA?

    He is in Court Wednesday, so probably not.
    The rumour was he was going back to LA today for Archie's birthday but who knows?

    Must say I have a lot of sympathy for "H" today. As well as walking into the lions den, on his own, he has had to watch the old bag who, along with his father, caused his late mother so much pain and heartache crowned Queen and will henceforth now have to bow before her whenever they meet. I don't think that's something I could do.

    I hope he can now find some peace and happiness with Meghan and his family.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,164
    edited May 2023
    HYUFD said:

    Ah, the North Korean bit!

    Monarchy = Socialism! :lol:

    No state control of the economy = Socialism


    Monarchy is the essence of Toryism
    If god-given monarchy had anything going for it, your Santa-Claus-for-adults would deliver some sunny weather on a day like this.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,806
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

    I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

    I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.
    Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombastic

    That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival
    I expect Putin will take more notice on the military parades we and the French put on than the great ceremony we just witnessed however.

    Just coming back from Whitehall now in the drizzle, we caught a glimpse of the new King and Queen in their coach on the way back. Will watch the full ceremony on iplayer tonight
    What planet are you on? Those military parades of infantry and cavalry are really not going to register one iota with Putin.
  • DialupDialup Posts: 561
    I don't believe the Monarchy is any more Tory than Labour.

    Labour has been in government many times, never once tried to change or touch the monarchy. Indeed Blair did a lot to save it after Diana.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,164

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

    I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

    I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.
    Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombastic

    That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival
    I expect Putin will take more notice on the military parades we and the French put on than the great ceremony we just witnessed however.

    Just coming back from Whitehall now in the drizzle, we caught a glimpse of the new King and Queen in their coach on the way back. Will watch the full ceremony on iplayer tonight
    What planet are you on? Those military parades of infantry and cavalry are really not going to register one iota with Putin.
    The days when soldiers ran away in terror at the sound of Malc on his bagpipes are over?
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,158

    HYUFD said:


    I expect Putin will take more notice on the military parades we and the French put on than the great ceremony we just witnessed however.

    Just coming back from Whitehall now in the drizzle, we caught a glimpse of the new King and Queen in their coach on the way back. Will watch the full ceremony on iplayer tonight

    Genuine question, why would Putin take note of our parades, no matter how well choreographed they are?
    Not enough missiles and tanks for Russian tastes, I imagine.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223

    Seems like quite a low turnout crowd-wise. Weather or zeitgeist?

    Highlights of the ceremony for me: the 6th century bible and Zadok the Priest. Both genuinely awesome.

    My brother-in-law and eldest niece have gone to London with friends who came down from Blackpool especially for this (so they were going whatever the weather). But I suspect the weather put quite a few people off.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,476
    Sandpit said:

    Penny, and the three men behind her, still have their swords up after an hour and a half.

    Viagra?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,806
    IanB2 said:

    TOPPING said:

    There was a camera angle from above as a detachment of the Blue and Royals was trit-trotting through which was pretty much exactly like those photos of 1953 or perhaps Churchill's funeral.

    Perhaps it was the rain rendering everything colourless and the navy tunics accentuating the monochrome. It was a just a moment but one of a past age.

    I assume that when the BBC said it was the biggest military procession for seventy years, it was Churchill’s funeral that holds the record?
    Find it hard to believe it was bigger than the late Queen's funeral - that procession seemed to take hours rot pass by. Slower pace of course, but even so...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981
    Dialup said:

    I don't believe the Monarchy is any more Tory than Labour.

    Labour has been in government many times, never once tried to change or touch the monarchy. Indeed Blair did a lot to save it after Diana.

    Labour are more monarchist than the Tories.

    Lest we forget it was a Tory Prime Minister and government that forced a King to abdicate.

    Cannot remember a Labour PM/government ever making a monarch abdicate.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

    I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

    Surprised you write this.
    Why? I’m a monarchist. But I don’t love ALL of it. Grand military parades are simply boring - to me (and I’ve felt this about all royal parades)

    The only exceptions are funerals as I say. I was personally on the Mall for Diana’s job and I will never ever forget it. Spine tingling
  • GIN1138 said:

    Foxy said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Wonder if Harry is already on his way back to LA?

    He is in Court Wednesday, so probably not.
    The rumour was he was going back to LA today for Archie's birthday but who knows?

    Must say I have a lot of sympathy for "H" today. As well as walking into the lions den, on his own he has had to watch the old bag who caused his late mother so much pain and heartache crowned Queen and will henceforth now have to bow before her whenever they meet. I don't think that's something I could do.

    I hope he can find some peace and happiness with Meghan and his family.
    When he said he wanted out of the royal circus, I thought he was a top bloke.
    If he wanted peace and happiness, he'd have retired from the royal family fully, like he said he wanted to. I could respect him if he'd done that, but he wants all the trappings, the titles, wants his kids to be princes and princesses, wants to use his royal patronage to make money. Feck him.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713

    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

    I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

    I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.
    Not really.

    Loving it in our house. We are bouncing along , toasting and cheering.

    It's one hell of a show.
    Overall it seems much less impressive than the Queen's funeral to me. Fine in itself, well-executed, beautiful music but not quite on the same level.

    Glad it all appears to have gone off safely though - all credit to the security services.
    It depends how it moves you. This moves me just as deeply. The historical resonance of it.

    And there are even more troops for this one. So the spectacle is just as strong.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,164

    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

    I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

    I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.
    Not really.

    Loving it in our house. We are bouncing along , toasting and cheering.

    It's one hell of a show.
    TLDR: both of you have drunk way too much already
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,388
    Dialup said:

    I don't believe the Monarchy is any more Tory than Labour.

    Labour has been in government many times, never once tried to change or touch the monarchy. Indeed Blair did a lot to save it after Diana.

    It's rumoured that after Churchill, Harold Wilson was the Late Her Majesty's favourite PM while her relations with Maggie were often "frosty" lol.
  • DialupDialup Posts: 561

    Dialup said:

    I don't believe the Monarchy is any more Tory than Labour.

    Labour has been in government many times, never once tried to change or touch the monarchy. Indeed Blair did a lot to save it after Diana.

    Labour are more monarchist than the Tories.

    Lest we forget it was a Tory Prime Minister and government that forced a King to abdicate.

    Cannot remember a Labour PM/government ever making a monarch abdicate.
    Should I contact you if I wish to write a piece?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,049

    IanB2 said:

    TOPPING said:

    There was a camera angle from above as a detachment of the Blue and Royals was trit-trotting through which was pretty much exactly like those photos of 1953 or perhaps Churchill's funeral.

    Perhaps it was the rain rendering everything colourless and the navy tunics accentuating the monochrome. It was a just a moment but one of a past age.

    I assume that when the BBC said it was the biggest military procession for seventy years, it was Churchill’s funeral that holds the record?
    Find it hard to believe it was bigger than the late Queen's funeral - that procession seemed to take hours rot pass by. Slower pace of course, but even so...

    This is the largest single ceremonial event to take place in London since 1953 and, overall, more than 7000 servicemen will be on parade.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

    I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

    I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.
    Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombastic

    That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival
    Exactly what I was going to post ; the emphasis on huge parades is really a holdover from imperial times, when it was a necessary show to adversaries.

    I think that the future of these ceremonies should be tasteful and grand, with some mystical elements ; but also smaller. If Charles has any sense with his slimming-down plans, this should be included, because it also sends an important message about the role of the monarchy and its awareness of its place in society.
    It works for funerals. It was tremendous for QE2. The coffin on the gun carriage

    But for more positive events - weddings, jubilees and coronations (however serious) somettjg more joyous is needed
    Like @Jonathan said you are a luvvie.

    A right-wing luvvie, to be sure, but still a luvvie.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,871

    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

    I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

    I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.
    Not really.

    Loving it in our house. We are bouncing along , toasting and cheering.

    It's one hell of a show.
    Overall it seems much less impressive than the Queen's funeral to me. Fine in itself, well-executed, beautiful music but not quite on the same level.

    Glad it all appears to have gone off safely though - all credit to the security services.

    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn

    I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh

    I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.
    Not really.

    Loving it in our house. We are bouncing along , toasting and cheering.

    It's one hell of a show.
    Overall it seems much less impressive than the Queen's funeral to me. Fine in itself, well-executed, beautiful music but not quite on the same level.

    Glad it all appears to have gone off safely though - all credit to the security services.
    I enjoyed it very much but would tend to agree. The ban on coronets, ermine and tiaras was a shame. It was also very brightly lit in the Abbey - the Queen's was less well lit and more glittery (it seems watching back). That made it seem more solemn. This had more of a 'Songs of Praise' feel at times. All in all it was good to see. Coronation BBQ to attend now.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,164

    Sandpit said:

    Penny, and the three men behind her, still have their swords up after an hour and a half.

    Viagra?
    There’s no way that JRM’s puny muscles would have been up to it.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,260
    edited May 2023
    Dialup said:

    I don't believe the Monarchy is any more Tory than Labour.

    Labour has been in government many times, never once tried to change or touch the monarchy. Indeed Blair did a lot to save it after Diana.

    Wilson was the QEII's favourite PM, closely followed by Callaghan, who said going to see her was like "seeking a solving of your problems by a psychiatrist." The Queen and Thatcher, famously, couldn't stand each other.

    From a liberal point of view, in its best moments the British monarchy can represent some of the more enlightened noblesse oblige and consensus spirit of the wartime and postwar era. Certainly preferable to aggressive populist conservatism, for me, and I suspect many others.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981
    Dialup said:

    Dialup said:

    I don't believe the Monarchy is any more Tory than Labour.

    Labour has been in government many times, never once tried to change or touch the monarchy. Indeed Blair did a lot to save it after Diana.

    Labour are more monarchist than the Tories.

    Lest we forget it was a Tory Prime Minister and government that forced a King to abdicate.

    Cannot remember a Labour PM/government ever making a monarch abdicate.
    Should I contact you if I wish to write a piece?
    Sure, send me a vanilla message.

    I may not pick it up straight away, as I'm in day two of a four day romantic break.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,778

    I assume the flypast will still be on, hard to tell from the TV footage but cloudbase is what 1,000 - 1,500ft?

    Dura Ace may be able to help there, I think, with the view from a cockpit veteran.
    I've only ever done one and that was 1,000' over DC. The military can pretty much sanction anything with the tacit understanding that there will be a ruthless cauldron of blame for the most junior officer involved if anything goes wrong. They would be mental to do it of they didn't have the normal VFR minima for low level flight. 1,000' vertical, 1500m horizontal to cloud and 5km flight visibility.
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