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My fault for indulging in the lowest form of wit. But what else can you do, if this is how the Met responds to all the richly deserved criticisms of the past few weeks?twistedfirestopper3 said:
Yeah, the internet doesn't convey it. Sorry.Chris said:
Sarcasm really is wasted on some people.twistedfirestopper3 said:
What have they done wrong, though? Anything worse than Just Stop Oil or any other eco protestors?Chris said:
If these protesters hadn't done anything wrong, they wouldn't have had anything to worry about.twistedfirestopper3 said:
That's dreadful.MightyAlex said:
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Theravada but no Mahayana?
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Apparently Penny is going to walk behind the gold stagecoach, steering the back wheels to ensure they avoid any potholes and giving the carriage a push now and again to help out the horses. What a gal!9
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In fact this is “Now that’s what I call Britain” pretty much. At least the tourist version of it. They’re now walking around, in the rain of course, surrounded by guards in busbys, to the sound of cathedral bells.
Like ChatGPT and midjourney being asked to generate an imaginary British state ceremony.
What’s an equivalent in another country? Opera singers in gondolas punting down the road to the coliseum while Gucci-clad male models in sunglasses drive after them in Ferraris eating ice creams?3 -
all sound and fury, signifying nothingSunil_Prasannan said:Maybe I'm a republican and "slightly" biased, but Penny is WAY more gorgeous than any of the Windsor females, including Kate.
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You don't get much training in a total of 27 days reserve service and she's clearly too porky to pass an RNFT.Sandpit said:
Good piece, she’s done a brilliant job today, as she did with the Ascession Council back in September.bondegezou said:
Read all about Mordaunt’s planning at https://www.politico.eu/article/my-part-in-the-pomp-meet-the-uk-minister-carrying-a-huge-sword-for-king-charles/Sandpit said:Penny, and the three men behind her, still have their swords up after an hour and a half.
That sword is 4’ long and weighs 8lb, her military training would have come in very useful.0 -
"Rome was founded as a republic."TimS said:In fact this is “Now that’s what I call Britain” pretty much. At least the tourist version of it. They’re now walking around, in the rain of course, surrounded by guards in busbys, to the sound of cathedral bells.
Like ChatGPT and midjourney being asked to generate an imaginary British state ceremony.
What’s an equivalent in another country? Opera singers in gondolas punting down the road to the coliseum while Gucci-clad male models in sunglasses drive after them in Ferraris eating ice creams?0 -
Signifying something quite similar to Kate, I think. They're both good at empathising in public, but also have a certain poise.DavidL said:
all sound and fury, signifying nothingSunil_Prasannan said:Maybe I'm a republican and "slightly" biased, but Penny is WAY more gorgeous than any of the Windsor females, including Kate.
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Just think- a few years earlier, we'd have had Jacob Rees-Mogg in the role.RobD said:
Singing the anthem while walking with the sword. Is there nothing she can’t do?numbertwelve said:All hail Queen Penny, swordmistress!
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It's done. Not too bad actually- tastes like a quiche!
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The Italians love this sort of stuff as well - even little villages have their festa parade where they all dress up in medieval gear. They could probably run us a close second.TimS said:In fact this is “Now that’s what I call Britain” pretty much. At least the tourist version of it. They’re now walking around, in the rain of course, surrounded by guards in busbys, to the sound of cathedral bells.
Like ChatGPT and midjourney being asked to generate an imaginary British state ceremony.
What’s an equivalent in another country? Opera singers in gondolas punting down the road to the coliseum while Gucci-clad male models in sunglasses drive after them in Ferraris eating ice creams?0 -
Hopefully those are free-range maggots?Casino_Royale said:It's done. Not too bad actually- tastes like a quiche!
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This is quite the parade. Pretty much the whole military must have been either training Ukranians or preparing for today.1
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Good effort - well done!Casino_Royale said:It's done. Not too bad actually- tastes like a quiche!
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So, does your car have an orb holder?
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I try not to think of that. It would have utterly ruined it for me.Stuartinromford said:
Just think- a few years earlier, we'd have had Jacob Rees-Mogg in the role.RobD said:
Singing the anthem while walking with the sword. Is there nothing she can’t do?numbertwelve said:All hail Queen Penny, swordmistress!
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It did phase me a bit, didn't seem like your usual politics!Chris said:
My fault for indulging in the lowest form of wit. But what else can you do, if this is how the Met responds to all the richly deserved criticisms of the past few weeks?twistedfirestopper3 said:
Yeah, the internet doesn't convey it. Sorry.Chris said:
Sarcasm really is wasted on some people.twistedfirestopper3 said:
What have they done wrong, though? Anything worse than Just Stop Oil or any other eco protestors?Chris said:
If these protesters hadn't done anything wrong, they wouldn't have had anything to worry about.twistedfirestopper3 said:
That's dreadful.MightyAlex said:
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You mean they didn't spend any money fixing said potholes?stjohn said:Apparently Penny is going to walk behind the gold stagecoach, steering the back wheels to ensure they avoid any potholes and giving the carriage a push now and again to help out the horses. What a gal!
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He would have been good in the role too. In a quite different way to Penny, but still an upholder of tradition and ceremony.Stuartinromford said:
Just think- a few years earlier, we'd have had Jacob Rees-Mogg in the role.RobD said:
Singing the anthem while walking with the sword. Is there nothing she can’t do?numbertwelve said:All hail Queen Penny, swordmistress!
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Certainly an upholder of something.Sandpit said:
He would have been good in the role too. In a quite different way to Penny, but still an upholder of tradition and ceremony.Stuartinromford said:
Just think- a few years earlier, we'd have had Jacob Rees-Mogg in the role.RobD said:
Singing the anthem while walking with the sword. Is there nothing she can’t do?numbertwelve said:All hail Queen Penny, swordmistress!
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As I hear from an American commentator:
'When the British Monarchy request sharks with lazer beams, they GET sharks with lazer beams.'1 -
Leave it. She's the Tories new hope. Still makes me laugh that when she was promoted to DCLOG by Cameron, she was questioning why the FBU were congratulating her and were keen to work with her...she didn't realise that her new office was responsible for the Fire Service. Still, at least she gives the Tories something to cling onto.Dura_Ace said:
You don't get much training in a total of 27 days reserve service and she's clearly too porky to pass an RNFT.Sandpit said:
Good piece, she’s done a brilliant job today, as she did with the Ascession Council back in September.bondegezou said:
Read all about Mordaunt’s planning at https://www.politico.eu/article/my-part-in-the-pomp-meet-the-uk-minister-carrying-a-huge-sword-for-king-charles/Sandpit said:Penny, and the three men behind her, still have their swords up after an hour and a half.
That sword is 4’ long and weighs 8lb, her military training would have come in very useful.2 -
Do horses have to pay the ULEZ charge? There are lots of emissions.1
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I doubt he would have been able to hold it up for so long.WhisperingOracle said:
Certainly an upholder of something.Sandpit said:
He would have been good in the role too. In a quite different way to Penny, but still an upholder of tradition and ceremony.Stuartinromford said:
Just think- a few years earlier, we'd have had Jacob Rees-Mogg in the role.RobD said:
Singing the anthem while walking with the sword. Is there nothing she can’t do?numbertwelve said:All hail Queen Penny, swordmistress!
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Well get a load of the Spanish Legion here!TimS said:In fact this is “Now that’s what I call Britain” pretty much. At least the tourist version of it. They’re now walking around, in the rain of course, surrounded by guards in busbys, to the sound of cathedral bells.
Like ChatGPT and midjourney being asked to generate an imaginary British state ceremony.
What’s an equivalent in another country? Opera singers in gondolas punting down the road to the coliseum while Gucci-clad male models in sunglasses drive after them in Ferraris eating ice creams?
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJunTJwM/0 -
Good effort.Casino_Royale said:It's done. Not too bad actually- tastes like a quiche!
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That is one hell of an Uber they have ordered to get home....1
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Reminds me of Michael Stipe in the video for Stand.Foxy said:
Well get a load of the Spanish Legion here!TimS said:In fact this is “Now that’s what I call Britain” pretty much. At least the tourist version of it. They’re now walking around, in the rain of course, surrounded by guards in busbys, to the sound of cathedral bells.
Like ChatGPT and midjourney being asked to generate an imaginary British state ceremony.
What’s an equivalent in another country? Opera singers in gondolas punting down the road to the coliseum while Gucci-clad male models in sunglasses drive after them in Ferraris eating ice creams?
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJunTJwM/
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As nice as it may be, they are still stuck in traffic.MarqueeMark said:That is one hell of an Uber they have ordered to get home....
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I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn
I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh0 -
How far back in time would he have gone? Woad and a loin-cloth?Stuartinromford said:
Just think- a few years earlier, we'd have had Jacob Rees-Mogg in the role.RobD said:
Singing the anthem while walking with the sword. Is there nothing she can’t do?numbertwelve said:All hail Queen Penny, swordmistress!
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Going along at walking pace.RobD said:
As nice as it may be, they are still stuck in traffic.MarqueeMark said:That is one hell of an Uber they have ordered to get home....
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Birdcage Walk would have been quickerSandpit said:
Going along at walking pace.RobD said:
As nice as it may be, they are still stuck in traffic.MarqueeMark said:That is one hell of an Uber they have ordered to get home....
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So it looks like the flypast might be coming…2
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I would imagine you are missing the floats with waving teenage girls in swimming costume?Leon said:I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn
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Rees Mogg plays his part perfectly. As a @#£%!Sandpit said:
He would have been good in the role too. In a quite different way to Penny, but still an upholder of tradition and ceremony.Stuartinromford said:
Just think- a few years earlier, we'd have had Jacob Rees-Mogg in the role.RobD said:
Singing the anthem while walking with the sword. Is there nothing she can’t do?numbertwelve said:All hail Queen Penny, swordmistress!
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New Labour had people arrested for holding up, in silence, a placard saying “Remember Tibet”Carnyx said:
I don't see the PB Wokefinders for Freedom lamenting this. Just wait for the anti-woke protests under a Labour government. Labour have been given absolute carte blanche to deal with them in the same way.Richard_Tyndall said:
I am a monarchist but preventing lawful protests by Republicans is wrong on so many levels. Stupid action by Government enacting the laws and stupid action by the police in enforcing them this way.Dialup said:The Met Police.
Being attacked in the streets? Bike nicked? Can't help mate.
Placard - to the Tower with you
Wearing a t-shirt with “Bollocks to Blair” on it would get you stopped by the police along Whitehall.
The cabinet secretary justified the arrest of an opposition MP on the grounds that the leaks to the said MP had upset the spin doctors lies to the press.
Labour has always been authoritarian. Not understanding that the LibDems are serious about civil liberties has long confused relations between the two parties.2 -
I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.Leon said:I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn
I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh0 -
I misremembered. It’s pop song 89TimS said:
Reminds me of Michael Stipe in the video for Stand.Foxy said:
Well get a load of the Spanish Legion here!TimS said:In fact this is “Now that’s what I call Britain” pretty much. At least the tourist version of it. They’re now walking around, in the rain of course, surrounded by guards in busbys, to the sound of cathedral bells.
Like ChatGPT and midjourney being asked to generate an imaginary British state ceremony.
What’s an equivalent in another country? Opera singers in gondolas punting down the road to the coliseum while Gucci-clad male models in sunglasses drive after them in Ferraris eating ice creams?
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJunTJwM/
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QhwdcdoSP2Y
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Seems like quite a low turnout crowd-wise. Weather or zeitgeist?
Highlights of the ceremony for me: the 6th century bible and Zadok the Priest. Both genuinely awesome.1 -
I assume the flypast will still be on, hard to tell from the TV footage but cloudbase is what 1,000 - 1,500ft?0
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Yes, of course that makes it OK. How could anyone have doubted it?Malmesbury said:A
New Labour had people arrested for holding up, in silence, a placard saying “Remember Tibet” ...Carnyx said:
I don't see the PB Wokefinders for Freedom lamenting this. Just wait for the anti-woke protests under a Labour government. Labour have been given absolute carte blanche to deal with them in the same way.Richard_Tyndall said:
I am a monarchist but preventing lawful protests by Republicans is wrong on so many levels. Stupid action by Government enacting the laws and stupid action by the police in enforcing them this way.Dialup said:The Met Police.
Being attacked in the streets? Bike nicked? Can't help mate.
Placard - to the Tower with you
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Yep, liberals and socialists often agree on ends but rarely on means.Malmesbury said:A
New Labour had people arrested for holding up, in silence, a placard saying “Remember Tibet”Carnyx said:
I don't see the PB Wokefinders for Freedom lamenting this. Just wait for the anti-woke protests under a Labour government. Labour have been given absolute carte blanche to deal with them in the same way.Richard_Tyndall said:
I am a monarchist but preventing lawful protests by Republicans is wrong on so many levels. Stupid action by Government enacting the laws and stupid action by the police in enforcing them this way.Dialup said:The Met Police.
Being attacked in the streets? Bike nicked? Can't help mate.
Placard - to the Tower with you
Wearing a t-shirt with “Bollocks to Blair” on it would get you stopped by the police along Whitehall.
The cabinet secretary justified the arrest of an opposition MP on the grounds that the leaks to the said MP had upset the spin doctors lies to the press.
Labour has always been authoritarian. Not understanding that the LibDems are serious about civil liberties has long confused relations between the two parties.1 -
It’s the main reason I’m a Lib Dem.Malmesbury said:A
New Labour had people arrested for holding up, in silence, a placard saying “Remember Tibet”Carnyx said:
I don't see the PB Wokefinders for Freedom lamenting this. Just wait for the anti-woke protests under a Labour government. Labour have been given absolute carte blanche to deal with them in the same way.Richard_Tyndall said:
I am a monarchist but preventing lawful protests by Republicans is wrong on so many levels. Stupid action by Government enacting the laws and stupid action by the police in enforcing them this way.Dialup said:The Met Police.
Being attacked in the streets? Bike nicked? Can't help mate.
Placard - to the Tower with you
Wearing a t-shirt with “Bollocks to Blair” on it would get you stopped by the police along Whitehall.
The cabinet secretary justified the arrest of an opposition MP on the grounds that the leaks to the said MP had upset the spin doctors lies to the press.
Labour has always been authoritarian. Not understanding that the LibDems are serious about civil liberties has long confused relations between the two parties.2 -
To prepare for all this fuss, I re-read Arthur C. Clarke's short story, "Refugee", and thought again, as I have before, that your new monarch might have benefited from a similar experience.
(The story is in Clarke's collection, "The Other Side of the Sky", and probably other places. The collection is uneven but has several other stories I like.)1 -
Wonder if Harry is already on his way back to LA?0
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Dura Ace may be able to help there, I think, with the view from a cockpit veteran.Benpointer said:I assume the flypast will still be on, hard to tell from the TV footage but cloudbase is what 1,000 - 1,500ft?
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There’s footage of helicopters en route already. The issue will be the larger aircraft for whom a bit of altitude is prudent.Benpointer said:I assume the flypast will still be on, hard to tell from the TV footage but cloudbase is what 1,000 - 1,500ft?
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I also agree with this. I think one of things holding back a more Scandinavian monarchy is a still slightly over-militarised aspect. The pageantry can be beautiful at times, though - see the Red Arrows, also and too.Jonathan said:
I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.Leon said:I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn
I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh0 -
So, I think I've found the answer to the question I posed a few days ago. Tories on here don't seem to like the current Conservative party very much, and certainly not that keen on the current leadership, so I asked: Who do you want?
Clearly, she's been found. Mordaunt.0 -
Thanks. That’s very interesting.Foxy said:
I had a Church wedding though neither me, my bride nor either set of parents were religious. The vicar didn't seem to mind much at all, so a few years later he christened Fox Jr, even though we hadn't been back since the wedding, nor another Church.Sean_F said:Quite so. Most people, but not all, enjoy ceremony and ritual.
And, that ties in to the question on the previous thread, why would people who are not religious believers have church weddings? IMHO, studying ancient history probably gives the answer. Nobody was concerned, prior to the rise of Christianity, about what people believed. But, they were very much concerned that proper riturals were observed, and that the State Gods were given their due. And, the consequences of not performing the correct ritual and giving honour to the Gods could be lethal.
Ceremony and ritual both appeal to something quite deep-rooted in human nature.
I found the Vicar so open and non judgemental, and wanting to bring up Fox Jr with the right set of values, so started seeking. I soon came upon a Church to my taste, rather more puritan in ethos and without the obscure smells and spells liturgy etc. I have been a Christian ever since. There were many steps on that path from atheism, but a Church Wedding was a key one.
A good header @Viewcode.
Ceremony dragging on a bit now, get the Gospel singers back to liven up the crowd!
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Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombasticJonathan said:
I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.Leon said:I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn
I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh
That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival
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Surely the "look what you could have had" with Miss Moneypenny.SouthamObserver said:Seems like quite a low turnout crowd-wise. Weather or zeitgeist?
Highlights of the ceremony for me: the 6th century bible and Zadok the Priest. Both genuinely awesome.1 -
Not really.Jonathan said:
I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.Leon said:I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn
I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh
Loving it in our house. We are bouncing along , toasting and cheering.
It's one hell of a show.1 -
The pale blue tiles of the fountain outside buck palace look like a municipal swimming pool circa 1970.0
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Thanks for sharing.Foxy said:
I had a Church wedding though neither me, my bride nor either set of parents were religious. The vicar didn't seem to mind much at all, so a few years later he christened Fox Jr, even though we hadn't been back since the wedding, nor another Church.Sean_F said:Quite so. Most people, but not all, enjoy ceremony and ritual.
And, that ties in to the question on the previous thread, why would people who are not religious believers have church weddings? IMHO, studying ancient history probably gives the answer. Nobody was concerned, prior to the rise of Christianity, about what people believed. But, they were very much concerned that proper riturals were observed, and that the State Gods were given their due. And, the consequences of not performing the correct ritual and giving honour to the Gods could be lethal.
Ceremony and ritual both appeal to something quite deep-rooted in human nature.
I found the Vicar so open and non judgemental, and wanting to bring up Fox Jr with the right set of values, so started seeking. I soon came upon a Church to my taste, rather more puritan in ethos and without the obscure smells and spells liturgy etc. I have been a Christian ever since. There were many steps on that path from atheism, but a Church Wedding was a key one.
A good header @Viewcode.
Ceremony dragging on a bit now, get the Gospel singers back to liven up the crowd!1 -
He would have smirked.Sandpit said:
He would have been good in the role too. In a quite different way to Penny, but still an upholder of tradition and ceremony.Stuartinromford said:
Just think- a few years earlier, we'd have had Jacob Rees-Mogg in the role.RobD said:
Singing the anthem while walking with the sword. Is there nothing she can’t do?numbertwelve said:All hail Queen Penny, swordmistress!
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I was once in Riga on Independence Day, and found the military parade, followed by fireworks on the river, rather impressive.Leon said:
Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombasticJonathan said:
I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.Leon said:I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn
I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh
That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival1 -
Also: the entrance of the monarchs and the cries of Vivat. The singing of Bryn Terfel. The moment they put the crown on Chas. The mad Protestant oath. The moving moment with William and his DadSouthamObserver said:Seems like quite a low turnout crowd-wise. Weather or zeitgeist?
Highlights of the ceremony for me: the 6th century bible and Zadok the Priest. Both genuinely awesome.
The emergence into the bells. The gospel was nice
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Exactly what I was going to post ; the emphasis on huge parades is really a holdover from imperial times, when it was a necessary show to adversaries.Leon said:
Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombasticJonathan said:
I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.Leon said:I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn
I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh
That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival
I think that the future of these ceremonies should be tasteful and grand, with some mystical elements retained, but also smaller. If Charles has any sense with his slimming-down plans, this should be included, because it also sends an important message about the role of the monarchy, and its awareness of its place in society.1 -
In my long experience as a councillor, I found it a real mental block when dealing with Labour councillors. So often, if the object of a proposal was of merit they simply couldn’t understand why we were concerned with how it was to be done. And we couldn’t understand why they couldn’t understand that how things are done very often matters just as much as the outcome.TimS said:
It’s the main reason I’m a Lib Dem.Malmesbury said:A
New Labour had people arrested for holding up, in silence, a placard saying “Remember Tibet”Carnyx said:
I don't see the PB Wokefinders for Freedom lamenting this. Just wait for the anti-woke protests under a Labour government. Labour have been given absolute carte blanche to deal with them in the same way.Richard_Tyndall said:
I am a monarchist but preventing lawful protests by Republicans is wrong on so many levels. Stupid action by Government enacting the laws and stupid action by the police in enforcing them this way.Dialup said:The Met Police.
Being attacked in the streets? Bike nicked? Can't help mate.
Placard - to the Tower with you
Wearing a t-shirt with “Bollocks to Blair” on it would get you stopped by the police along Whitehall.
The cabinet secretary justified the arrest of an opposition MP on the grounds that the leaks to the said MP had upset the spin doctors lies to the press.
Labour has always been authoritarian. Not understanding that the LibDems are serious about civil liberties has long confused relations between the two parties.3 -
I expect Putin will take more notice on the military parades we and the French put on than the great ceremony we just witnessed however.Leon said:
Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombasticJonathan said:
I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.Leon said:I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn
I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh
That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival
Just coming back from Whitehall now in the drizzle, we caught a glimpse of the new King and Queen in their coach on the way back. Will watch the full ceremony on iplayer tonight0 -
Penny came in holding a huge sword, gave it away and paid a load of money to get a smaller one back. It seemed truly symbolic to me ;-)4
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No state control of the economy = SocialismSunil_Prasannan said:Ah, the North Korean bit!
Monarchy = Socialism!
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There was a camera angle from above as a detachment of the Blue and Royals was trit-trotting through which was pretty much exactly like those photos of 1953 or perhaps Churchill's funeral.
Perhaps it was the rain rendering everything colourless and the navy tunics accentuating the monochrome. It was a just a moment but one of a past age.0 -
Genuine question, why would Putin take note of our parades, no matter how well choreographed they are?HYUFD said:
I expect Putin will take more notice on the military parades we and the French put on than the great ceremony we just witnessed however.Leon said:
Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombasticJonathan said:
I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.Leon said:I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn
I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh
That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival
Just coming back from Whitehall now in the drizzle, we caught a glimpse of the new King and Queen in their coach on the way back. Will watch the full ceremony on iplayer tonight0 -
Overall it seems much less impressive than the Queen's funeral to me. Fine in itself, well-executed, beautiful music but not quite on the same level.Casino_Royale said:
Not really.Jonathan said:
I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.Leon said:I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn
I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh
Loving it in our house. We are bouncing along , toasting and cheering.
It's one hell of a show.
Glad it all appears to have gone off safely though - all credit to the security services.0 -
It works for funerals. It was tremendous for QE2. The coffin on the gun carriageWhisperingOracle said:
Exactly what I was going to post ; the emphasis on huge parades is really a holdover from imperial times, when it was a necessary show to adversaries.Leon said:
Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombasticJonathan said:
I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.Leon said:I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn
I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh
That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival
I think that the future of these ceremonies should be tasteful and grand, with some mystical elements ; but also smaller. If Charles has any sense with his slimming-down plans, this should be included, because it also sends an important message about the role of the monarchy and its awareness of its place in society.
But for more positive events - weddings, jubilees and coronations (however serious) somettjg more joyous is needed0 -
He may have reclined on his pew if proceedings became onerous.ohnotnow said:
He would have smirked.Sandpit said:
He would have been good in the role too. In a quite different way to Penny, but still an upholder of tradition and ceremony.Stuartinromford said:
Just think- a few years earlier, we'd have had Jacob Rees-Mogg in the role.RobD said:
Singing the anthem while walking with the sword. Is there nothing she can’t do?numbertwelve said:All hail Queen Penny, swordmistress!
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I assume that when the BBC said it was the biggest military procession for seventy years, it was Churchill’s funeral that holds the record?TOPPING said:There was a camera angle from above as a detachment of the Blue and Royals was trit-trotting through which was pretty much exactly like those photos of 1953 or perhaps Churchill's funeral.
Perhaps it was the rain rendering everything colourless and the navy tunics accentuating the monochrome. It was a just a moment but one of a past age.0 -
The rumour was he was going back to LA today for Archie's birthday but who knows?Foxy said:
He is in Court Wednesday, so probably not.GIN1138 said:Wonder if Harry is already on his way back to LA?
Must say I have a lot of sympathy for "H" today. As well as walking into the lions den, on his own, he has had to watch the old bag who, along with his father, caused his late mother so much pain and heartache crowned Queen and will henceforth now have to bow before her whenever they meet. I don't think that's something I could do.
I hope he can now find some peace and happiness with Meghan and his family.1 -
If god-given monarchy had anything going for it, your Santa-Claus-for-adults would deliver some sunny weather on a day like this.HYUFD said:
No state control of the economy = SocialismSunil_Prasannan said:Ah, the North Korean bit!
Monarchy = Socialism!
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What planet are you on? Those military parades of infantry and cavalry are really not going to register one iota with Putin.HYUFD said:
I expect Putin will take more notice on the military parades we and the French put on than the great ceremony we just witnessed however.Leon said:
Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombasticJonathan said:
I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.Leon said:I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn
I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh
That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival
Just coming back from Whitehall now in the drizzle, we caught a glimpse of the new King and Queen in their coach on the way back. Will watch the full ceremony on iplayer tonight0 -
I don't believe the Monarchy is any more Tory than Labour.
Labour has been in government many times, never once tried to change or touch the monarchy. Indeed Blair did a lot to save it after Diana.1 -
The days when soldiers ran away in terror at the sound of Malc on his bagpipes are over?Benpointer said:
What planet are you on? Those military parades of infantry and cavalry are really not going to register one iota with Putin.HYUFD said:
I expect Putin will take more notice on the military parades we and the French put on than the great ceremony we just witnessed however.Leon said:
Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombasticJonathan said:
I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.Leon said:I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn
I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh
That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival
Just coming back from Whitehall now in the drizzle, we caught a glimpse of the new King and Queen in their coach on the way back. Will watch the full ceremony on iplayer tonight0 -
Not enough missiles and tanks for Russian tastes, I imagine.twistedfirestopper3 said:
Genuine question, why would Putin take note of our parades, no matter how well choreographed they are?HYUFD said:
I expect Putin will take more notice on the military parades we and the French put on than the great ceremony we just witnessed however.
Just coming back from Whitehall now in the drizzle, we caught a glimpse of the new King and Queen in their coach on the way back. Will watch the full ceremony on iplayer tonight
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My brother-in-law and eldest niece have gone to London with friends who came down from Blackpool especially for this (so they were going whatever the weather). But I suspect the weather put quite a few people off.SouthamObserver said:Seems like quite a low turnout crowd-wise. Weather or zeitgeist?
Highlights of the ceremony for me: the 6th century bible and Zadok the Priest. Both genuinely awesome.0 -
Viagra?Sandpit said:Penny, and the three men behind her, still have their swords up after an hour and a half.
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Find it hard to believe it was bigger than the late Queen's funeral - that procession seemed to take hours rot pass by. Slower pace of course, but even so...IanB2 said:
I assume that when the BBC said it was the biggest military procession for seventy years, it was Churchill’s funeral that holds the record?TOPPING said:There was a camera angle from above as a detachment of the Blue and Royals was trit-trotting through which was pretty much exactly like those photos of 1953 or perhaps Churchill's funeral.
Perhaps it was the rain rendering everything colourless and the navy tunics accentuating the monochrome. It was a just a moment but one of a past age.0 -
Labour are more monarchist than the Tories.Dialup said:I don't believe the Monarchy is any more Tory than Labour.
Labour has been in government many times, never once tried to change or touch the monarchy. Indeed Blair did a lot to save it after Diana.
Lest we forget it was a Tory Prime Minister and government that forced a King to abdicate.
Cannot remember a Labour PM/government ever making a monarch abdicate.0 -
Why? I’m a monarchist. But I don’t love ALL of it. Grand military parades are simply boring - to me (and I’ve felt this about all royal parades)Andy_JS said:
Surprised you write this.Leon said:I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn
I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh
The only exceptions are funerals as I say. I was personally on the Mall for Diana’s job and I will never ever forget it. Spine tingling1 -
When he said he wanted out of the royal circus, I thought he was a top bloke.GIN1138 said:
The rumour was he was going back to LA today for Archie's birthday but who knows?Foxy said:
He is in Court Wednesday, so probably not.GIN1138 said:Wonder if Harry is already on his way back to LA?
Must say I have a lot of sympathy for "H" today. As well as walking into the lions den, on his own he has had to watch the old bag who caused his late mother so much pain and heartache crowned Queen and will henceforth now have to bow before her whenever they meet. I don't think that's something I could do.
I hope he can find some peace and happiness with Meghan and his family.
If he wanted peace and happiness, he'd have retired from the royal family fully, like he said he wanted to. I could respect him if he'd done that, but he wants all the trappings, the titles, wants his kids to be princes and princesses, wants to use his royal patronage to make money. Feck him.1 -
It depends how it moves you. This moves me just as deeply. The historical resonance of it.Benpointer said:
Overall it seems much less impressive than the Queen's funeral to me. Fine in itself, well-executed, beautiful music but not quite on the same level.Casino_Royale said:
Not really.Jonathan said:
I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.Leon said:I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn
I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh
Loving it in our house. We are bouncing along , toasting and cheering.
It's one hell of a show.
Glad it all appears to have gone off safely though - all credit to the security services.
And there are even more troops for this one. So the spectacle is just as strong.0 -
TLDR: both of you have drunk way too much alreadyCasino_Royale said:
Not really.Jonathan said:
I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.Leon said:I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn
I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh
Loving it in our house. We are bouncing along , toasting and cheering.
It's one hell of a show.0 -
It's rumoured that after Churchill, Harold Wilson was the Late Her Majesty's favourite PM while her relations with Maggie were often "frosty" lol.Dialup said:I don't believe the Monarchy is any more Tory than Labour.
Labour has been in government many times, never once tried to change or touch the monarchy. Indeed Blair did a lot to save it after Diana.0 -
Should I contact you if I wish to write a piece?TheScreamingEagles said:
Labour are more monarchist than the Tories.Dialup said:I don't believe the Monarchy is any more Tory than Labour.
Labour has been in government many times, never once tried to change or touch the monarchy. Indeed Blair did a lot to save it after Diana.
Lest we forget it was a Tory Prime Minister and government that forced a King to abdicate.
Cannot remember a Labour PM/government ever making a monarch abdicate.0 -
Nice to see the rail companies getting guards on the trains again.
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Benpointer said:
Find it hard to believe it was bigger than the late Queen's funeral - that procession seemed to take hours rot pass by. Slower pace of course, but even so...IanB2 said:
I assume that when the BBC said it was the biggest military procession for seventy years, it was Churchill’s funeral that holds the record?TOPPING said:There was a camera angle from above as a detachment of the Blue and Royals was trit-trotting through which was pretty much exactly like those photos of 1953 or perhaps Churchill's funeral.
Perhaps it was the rain rendering everything colourless and the navy tunics accentuating the monochrome. It was a just a moment but one of a past age.
This is the largest single ceremonial event to take place in London since 1953 and, overall, more than 7000 servicemen will be on parade.2 -
Like @Jonathan said you are a luvvie.Leon said:
It works for funerals. It was tremendous for QE2. The coffin on the gun carriageWhisperingOracle said:
Exactly what I was going to post ; the emphasis on huge parades is really a holdover from imperial times, when it was a necessary show to adversaries.Leon said:
Yes, it’s all about British imperial might, which is fairly laughable now. The French version on bastille day is no better. It’s vulgar, sad and bombasticJonathan said:
I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.Leon said:I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn
I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh
That said I find all parades pretty boring, anywhere in the world - unless they are bacchanals like mayday in padstow or Jouverr in Trini carnival
I think that the future of these ceremonies should be tasteful and grand, with some mystical elements ; but also smaller. If Charles has any sense with his slimming-down plans, this should be included, because it also sends an important message about the role of the monarchy and its awareness of its place in society.
But for more positive events - weddings, jubilees and coronations (however serious) somettjg more joyous is needed
A right-wing luvvie, to be sure, but still a luvvie.1 -
Benpointer said:
Overall it seems much less impressive than the Queen's funeral to me. Fine in itself, well-executed, beautiful music but not quite on the same level.Casino_Royale said:
Not really.Jonathan said:
I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.Leon said:I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn
I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh
Loving it in our house. We are bouncing along , toasting and cheering.
It's one hell of a show.
Glad it all appears to have gone off safely though - all credit to the security services.
I enjoyed it very much but would tend to agree. The ban on coronets, ermine and tiaras was a shame. It was also very brightly lit in the Abbey - the Queen's was less well lit and more glittery (it seems watching back). That made it seem more solemn. This had more of a 'Songs of Praise' feel at times. All in all it was good to see. Coronation BBQ to attend now.Benpointer said:
Overall it seems much less impressive than the Queen's funeral to me. Fine in itself, well-executed, beautiful music but not quite on the same level.Casino_Royale said:
Not really.Jonathan said:
I know what you mean, unlike the ancient rituals the military parade is strangely anachronistic.Leon said:I love an ancient, mystical British ritual dating back to 7,000BC but I just can’t be arsed with military parades. In the drizzle. Yawn
I know it’s all very impressively choreographed but Meh
Loving it in our house. We are bouncing along , toasting and cheering.
It's one hell of a show.
Glad it all appears to have gone off safely though - all credit to the security services.1 -
There’s no way that JRM’s puny muscles would have been up to it.StillWaters said:
Viagra?Sandpit said:Penny, and the three men behind her, still have their swords up after an hour and a half.
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Wilson was the QEII's favourite PM, closely followed by Callaghan, who said going to see her was like "seeking a solving of your problems by a psychiatrist." The Queen and Thatcher, famously, couldn't stand each other.Dialup said:I don't believe the Monarchy is any more Tory than Labour.
Labour has been in government many times, never once tried to change or touch the monarchy. Indeed Blair did a lot to save it after Diana.
From a liberal point of view, in its best moments the British monarchy can represent some of the more enlightened noblesse oblige and consensus spirit of the wartime and postwar era. Certainly preferable to aggressive populist conservatism, for me, and I suspect many others.0 -
Sure, send me a vanilla message.Dialup said:
Should I contact you if I wish to write a piece?TheScreamingEagles said:
Labour are more monarchist than the Tories.Dialup said:I don't believe the Monarchy is any more Tory than Labour.
Labour has been in government many times, never once tried to change or touch the monarchy. Indeed Blair did a lot to save it after Diana.
Lest we forget it was a Tory Prime Minister and government that forced a King to abdicate.
Cannot remember a Labour PM/government ever making a monarch abdicate.
I may not pick it up straight away, as I'm in day two of a four day romantic break.0 -
I've only ever done one and that was 1,000' over DC. The military can pretty much sanction anything with the tacit understanding that there will be a ruthless cauldron of blame for the most junior officer involved if anything goes wrong. They would be mental to do it of they didn't have the normal VFR minima for low level flight. 1,000' vertical, 1500m horizontal to cloud and 5km flight visibility.WhisperingOracle said:
Dura Ace may be able to help there, I think, with the view from a cockpit veteran.Benpointer said:I assume the flypast will still be on, hard to tell from the TV footage but cloudbase is what 1,000 - 1,500ft?
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