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  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,353
    WillG said:

    This is a genuine question and I mean it with no disrespect - I just really want to understand the thinking. Am I right in saying that you drink alcohol and married a Christian? Is there a rationale for doing these things but eating halal?

    It's so that, when his mother asks "are you a good Muslim?", he can reply in all honesty "of course mother, I only eat halal"

    (I have an atheist Muslim friend who won't eat pork for this reason)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,476
    Mr. Abode, aye. Historically, the team that is now Aston Martin developed very well on a shoestring budget, although recently this seems less the case.

    Ferrari tend to go backwards on relative pace.

    And yeah, the McLaren is a big step backwards.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/mar/04/evidence-reveals-gladiators-fought-in-roman-britain

    O/T but interesting report if - I now realise - one hopes it is inappropriate for this afternoon on PB. Title is a bit overwrought in the usual academic seeking twatter scores to keep HM Government happy, given how many amphitheatres there are in Britannia. But the point is it's *documentary* evidence of an actual fight.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,757

    That's true in a textbook kind of way, but Casino was talking about one of his favourite pubs changing. A favourite pub, restaurant or cafe becomes more than just a business with which you conduct economic transactions. An emotional connection is created. The staff get to know you, what you like. You have a relationship.

    Now, it's like he's been dumped by his favourite pub. Personally rejected.
    Emotional connections can be dangerous
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,071
    edited March 2023

    Collingham unseated rider
    Dargiannini won 2/1
    The Wounded Knee pulled up
    Moroder won 18/1

    Well done. Maybe swerve Kelso next year.
    I’ll take the well done, I was on at 5/2 and 30/1.

    Only 10 sleeps to go


  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,084

    Nor am I OKC

    My wife and I have had 5 vaccines and also covid and we consider ourselves very fortunate and grateful

    I really do not understand this hatred towards the elderly who in many cases are mmuch-loved parents and grandparents and have contributed to the country over their lifetime in so many ways
    G it is people of low intellect, they are to be pitied.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,353

    Emotional connections can be dangerous
    I hope you haven't told your wife that!
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,757
    Taz said:

    Sinn Fein do fish restaurants now, do they ?
    I wouldn’t go there - you never know who’s been sleeping wit the fishes.

    I meant the altar of woke -San Francisco
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,757
    rcs1000 said:

    I hope you haven't told your wife that!
    How are your teenagers?
  • rcs1000 said:

    It's so that, when his mother asks "are you a good Muslim?", he can reply in all honesty "of course mother, I only eat halal"

    (I have an atheist Muslim friend who won't eat pork for this reason)
    I am a very good Muslim if you ignore my constant gambling and whoring.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,345
    rcs1000 said:

    It's so that, when his mother asks "are you a good Muslim?", he can reply in all honesty "of course mother, I only eat halal"

    (I have an atheist Muslim friend who won't eat pork for this reason)
    Talking of atheist Muslims; on my run this morning (along the River Lee), I came across a bench that was empty aside from two things: a half-drunk bottle of Corona Extra, and an immaculate (aside from being slightly damp) copy of the Quran.

    Strange benchfellows.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,339

    Emotional connections can be dangerous
    The difficult question for all Conservatives to answer. Freedom for business to make cash the best way they can, or conserving stable communities roughly as they are?

    As history has shown, it's much easier to be casual about other people's communities.
  • Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 48% (=)
    CON: 25% (+2)
    LDM: 9% (-2)
    GRN: 6% (+1)
    RFM: 5% (=)

    Via
    @FindoutnowUK
    , 1-3 Mar.
    Changes w/ 27 Jan - 5 Feb.

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1632031745422897155
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,491

    I am a very good Muslim if you ignore my constant gambling and whoring.
    Wicked Child!
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,634

    I am a very good Muslim if you ignore my constant gambling and whoring.
    I used to stay in a shared flat with a Jewish guy who *loved* bacon. He was once tucking into a bacon butty (with another waiting) when his mother turned up unexpectedly. Queue a frantic mouthful of polo mints and begging of other flatmates to sit looking like they were eating the delicious, smokey, porky forbidden fruit while his mother tutted in the hall.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,507
    edited March 2023
    ohnotnow said:

    I used to stay in a shared flat with a Jewish guy who *loved* bacon. He was once tucking into a bacon butty (with another waiting) when his mother turned up unexpectedly. Queue a frantic mouthful of polo mints and begging of other flatmates to sit looking like they were eating the delicious, smokey, porky forbidden fruit while his mother tutted in the hall.
    You were a flatmate of Ed Miliband?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,491
    ohnotnow said:

    I used to stay in a shared flat with a Jewish guy who *loved* bacon. He was once tucking into a bacon butty (with another waiting) when his mother turned up unexpectedly. Queue a frantic mouthful of polo mints and begging of other flatmates to sit looking like they were eating the delicious, smokey, porky forbidden fruit while his mother tutted in the hall.
    Lots of Russian Jews are fond of “white steak.”
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,663
    .

    That's true in a textbook kind of way, but Casino was talking about one of his favourite pubs changing. A favourite pub, restaurant or cafe becomes more than just a business with which you conduct economic transactions. An emotional connection is created. The staff get to know you, what you like. You have a relationship.

    Now, it's like he's been dumped by his favourite pub. Personally rejected.
    Yes, that can be genuinely upsetting.
    Stocky said:

    Never heard of The Boys. Is it on Amazon Prime and is it free?
    Yes.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,071
    edited March 2023

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 48% (=)
    CON: 25% (+2)
    LDM: 9% (-2)
    GRN: 6% (+1)
    RFM: 5% (=)

    Via
    @FindoutnowUK
    , 1-3 Mar.
    Changes w/ 27 Jan - 5 Feb.

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1632031745422897155

    It’s Opinium night? Tory’s into 30’s surely? Everyone else adding +2 or more to Tories last few days, so 30 or 31% for Tories 43% Labour tonight, the Savanta 14% gap minus swingback. Only 12% gap deep into winter of discontent with plenty of time for Tory recovery would look good, but can they only stay 12 behind in couple of weeks, or wobble another droopy boob at it?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,786
    Gosh, a 'warm' thread for me to take a pass on! Much high colour and trembly fingers, I sense.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,345
    Stocky said:

    Never heard of The Boys. Is it on Amazon Prime and is it free?
    As others have said, it's on Prime.

    I actually got a bit bored of it during Series 3. There was not enough real plot development, and constant attempts to gross people out detuned the few interesting ideas. Take out the gross bits, and it's a fairly ordinary series, albeit well acted by some.

    Then again, I did binge watch all three series, so people who waited between series might have a different experience.

    I'll still watch series 4 though ...
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,790
    Sean_F said:

    A good writer has to be willing to give offence.
    Sadly it isn't just avoiding 'giving offence' - 'silence is violence', so unless you're ramming wokery down people's throats the whole time, your drama is causing a problem. The whole lot needs flushing.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Interesting UnHerd article.

    "The corruption of California
    Bribery is the only way to get things done
    By Matthew Crawford"

    https://unherd.com/2023/03/the-corruption-of-california/
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,018
    edited March 2023
    Good evening

    My hope is that Johnson is found guilty and, as some are suggesting, he receives a month's ban from the HOC and then a by election defeat

    Sunak has steadied the ship and it is time his mps rowed in behind him and disregard the malcontents

    I expect Starmer will win in 24 but Sunak is the best hope of the party mitigating the result
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,314
    Lee Anderson doing an oxymoronic turn on Political Thinking on R4 just now.

    He says he left Labour to join the Tories because a local young Momentumite asked him if he’d read Karl Marx, and when the inevitable negative reply was given, he was told to fuck off and join the Tories, ‘so ah did.’

    Anyone think that really happened?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,247

    Prick Farmer is a braindead Corbynite wankjockey.

    Discuss.

    I'd rather die in agony that apologise to that arsehole @CorrectHorseBattery3

    Fucking twat.

    He owes me about 3 million apologies before I even consider thinking about edging towards a first.

    Not really acceptable.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,758
    edited March 2023

    Lee Anderson doing an oxymoronic turn on Political Thinking on R4 just now.

    He says he left Labour to join the Tories because a local young Momentumite asked him if he’d read Karl Marx, and when the inevitable negative reply was given, he was told to fuck off and join the Tories, ‘so ah did.’

    Anyone think that really happened?

    Can't imagine he'll be reading Smith or Keynes either. Maybe he'll end up in Farage's grift machine when the Cons have finished with him.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,537

    Lee Anderson doing an oxymoronic turn on Political Thinking on R4 just now.

    He says he left Labour to join the Tories because a local young Momentumite asked him if he’d read Karl Marx, and when the inevitable negative reply was given, he was told to fuck off and join the Tories, ‘so ah did.’

    Anyone think that really happened?

    Well, it would be a remarkably dumb reason to alter political allegiances, so I suppose it cannot be entirely ruled out in his case.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,612

    Lee Anderson doing an oxymoronic turn on Political Thinking on R4 just now.

    He says he left Labour to join the Tories because a local young Momentumite asked him if he’d read Karl Marx, and when the inevitable negative reply was given, he was told to fuck off and join the Tories, ‘so ah did.’

    Anyone think that really happened?

    Can’t say I care either way. In five years time hardly anyone will know who he is.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    edited March 2023
    Taz said:

    Can’t say I care either way. In five years time hardly anyone will know who he is.
    Except the odd anecdote on PB, obviously.

    Edit: whohe anyway? *googles* Oh yes, Mr 30p.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,612

    Not really acceptable.
    Well it is not for you to say, it is not your group. People have said far worse and not got banned.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,507
    Fuck. In. Hell.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/02/europe/greece-train-crash-larissa-protests-intl/index.html

    57 dead. 48 still in hospital.

    If that stationmaster gets less than life in prison, he's been given mercy not justice.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,663
    I missed this piece of shithousery at the time.

    On the 5th anniversary of the Skripal poisonings, let's remember the time Russia Today sent Chocolate Salisbury Cathedrals to various media outlets as a Christmas gift
    https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1632049650097090564
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,255
    ydoethur said:

    Fuck. In. Hell.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/02/europe/greece-train-crash-larissa-protests-intl/index.html

    57 dead. 48 still in hospital.

    If that stationmaster gets less than life in prison, he's been given mercy not justice.

    I understood that the problem lies with the whole system rather than the individual stationmaster who looks to be becoming something of a scapegoat.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,353
    Andy_JS said:

    Interesting UnHerd article.

    "The corruption of California
    Bribery is the only way to get things done
    By Matthew Crawford"

    https://unherd.com/2023/03/the-corruption-of-california/

    Ummmm.

    The California Emissions standards aren't that strict: it's 3,000 parts per million for Carbon Monoxide, for example, which compares to 100 ppm in the UK.

    It costs about $50 to get your car checked at a garage and it takes about ten minutes. And they give you your smog certificate.

    If you're going to a dodgy Chinese lady and paying her $200 to avoid taking the real test, then your car must be hideously polluting.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,236
    ydoethur said:

    Fuck. In. Hell.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/02/europe/greece-train-crash-larissa-protests-intl/index.html

    57 dead. 48 still in hospital.

    If that stationmaster gets less than life in prison, he's been given mercy not justice.

    If the railway authorities put him in the position of doing effectively manual signalling with no safety interlocking or proper working procedure because the automatic systems were not functional, then scapegoating the man on the ground and ignoring the systematic failures is not justice either.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,247
    Taz said:

    Well it is not for you to say, it is not your group. People have said far worse and not got banned.
    No it is not, and I wasn't passing any judgement on anyone else's behalf other than my own. Nonetheless such behaviour is not how the site normally works. Heated banter is one thing, profane threats are another. Just for you Taz, perhaps it's time for me to f*** off.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,954

    Lee Anderson doing an oxymoronic turn on Political Thinking on R4 just now.

    He says he left Labour to join the Tories because a local young Momentumite asked him if he’d read Karl Marx, and when the inevitable negative reply was given, he was told to fuck off and join the Tories, ‘so ah did.’

    Anyone think that really happened?

    I'm centre-right, and I've read Karl Marx. It's called "being educated".

    Something that wouldn't hurt Mr Anderson.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,353

    New Thread

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,507

    I understood that the problem lies with the whole system rather than the individual stationmaster who looks to be becoming something of a scapegoat.
    However I look at this, there isn't any way around he ordered a train past a danger signal with no checks.

    True, the whole system is a shithouse but there are some things that you just don't do.

    The Quintinshill signalmen had their sentences much reduced on the grounds the traffic was unusually heavy due to the war. I wonder if he will.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    ydoethur said:

    However I look at this, there isn't any way around he ordered a train past a danger signal with no checks.

    True, the whole system is a shithouse but there are some things that you just don't do.

    The Quintinshill signalmen had their sentences much reduced on the grounds the traffic was unusually heavy due to the war. I wonder if he will.
    I was just about to mention them too.

    https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/learning/first-world-war/quintinshill-disaster
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,345
    ydoethur said:

    However I look at this, there isn't any way around he ordered a train past a danger signal with no checks.

    True, the whole system is a shithouse but there are some things that you just don't do.

    The Quintinshill signalmen had their sentences much reduced on the grounds the traffic was unusually heavy due to the war. I wonder if he will.
    Quintishill was over 100 years ago. There have been many crashes since then, and after each one, in a sane world, lessons have been learnt and better systems and processes adopted.

    The 1892 Thirsk crash is a sad and tragic example of where someone made a mistake that led to many deaths, but when you read the circumstances, it's clear the system surrounding him was totally at fault (his infant daughter died that day, and they refused to get a relief signalman. He had not slept for 36 hours, and he got confused whilst on duty, causing a crash that killed ten people.)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1892_Thirsk_rail_crash

    *If* he was in charge of situation where he could order a train past a danger signal without sufficient other systems in place, then it's the system that's wrong. (*). If the system allows a person to be a single point of failure, then the system's wrong.

    I'm also agog at the way this has been played by the Greek government. The main aim is to work out *what* happened, not undergo a massive finger-pointing blame-game, as has happened here. This just results in people clamming up, not telling the truth, and blaming others. We probably won't get to the real thought processes that led him to make the fateful decision.

    (*) AFACIR signalmen in the UK can order trains past signals, but it is very unusual, and they are speed-limited.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,507

    Quintishill was over 100 years ago. There have been many crashes since then, and after each one, in a sane world, lessons have been learnt and better systems and processes adopted.

    The 1892 Thirsk crash is a sad and tragic example of where someone made a mistake that led to many deaths, but when you read the circumstances, it's clear the system surrounding him was totally at fault (his infant daughter died that day, and they refused to get a relief signalman. He had not slept for 36 hours, and he got confused whilst on duty, causing a crash that killed ten people.)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1892_Thirsk_rail_crash

    *If* he was in charge of situation where he could order a train past a danger signal without sufficient other systems in place, then it's the system that's wrong. (*). If the system allows a person to be a single point of failure, then the system's wrong.

    I'm also agog at the way this has been played by the Greek government. The main aim is to work out *what* happened, not undergo a massive finger-pointing blame-game, as has happened here. This just results in people clamming up, not telling the truth, and blaming others. We probably won't get to the real thought processes that led him to make the fateful decision.

    (*) AFACIR signalmen in the UK can order trains past signals, but it is very unusual, and they are speed-limited.
    They can, which was a factor in the Severn Tunnel crash of 1989.

    But this is - extraordinary.

    While he's not the only one who should be in the dock, what he did was pretty unforgivable.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,345
    ydoethur said:

    They can, which was a factor in the Severn Tunnel crash of 1989.

    But this is - extraordinary.

    While he's not the only one who should be in the dock, what he did was pretty unforgivable.
    What you are hearing is extraordinary, because it's the stuff the Greek government is releasing in an effort to cover their backsides. Perhaps it's the truth: but if it is, then it's only a partial truth. The massively important thing is that the way they're acting makes getting to the truth even more difficult.

    It's as sussy as heck, and it's the Greek government doing it, not the stationmaster.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    I understood that the problem lies with the whole system rather than the individual stationmaster who looks to be becoming something of a scapegoat.
    Yes, scapegoating an individual is almost always the incorrect strategy. Unless you can prove they’ve been personally negligent, to a very high standard of proof that includes organisational and operational conditions.
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