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  • Small boats laws:

    * Asylum claims by those who make small boat crossings automatically inadmissible

    * New detention powers

    * Removal to third country

    * Permanently banned from returning to UK

    * No right to remain while cases heard

    ROFL there is no way this is going to work

    You can laugh all you want but if the problem continues to fester things will only get worse.
    How does making new laws that will be thrown out by the courts help one iota? It merely provides comfort to the readers of the Daily Mail, whilst further weakening public trust in the judiciary.
    If we want to do this, then accept that we must withdraw from international human rights treaties. Or make laws that are consistent with them. Either is better than government pretending to solve a problem in full knowledge it will not be allowed by the courts.
    Just make them all stateless. That’s the solution to every difficult problem now isn’t it? Oh dear they already are
  • MaxPB said:

    Convinced my wife a few months ago to watch DS9, she's not hugely into sci-fi but I sold it as a character drama more than anything else. She's really enjoying it, we got to Far Beyond the Stars (captain Sisko transports back to 1950s segregated America in a vision) this morning after putting Jen down for her nap. She was actually amazed at how good it is and how relevant it is today.

    What I think has impressed her most over the whole run is how well having a black captain was done. The reason she agreed was because she watched Discovery originally and found it merely ok so I suggested we go back to peak ST which for me is DS9. Coming back to this morning's episode she thinks if it was released today it would get lauded as one of the best TV episodes made. Have to say I agree, it really is brilliant.

    DS9 is amazing.

    Also enjoying the new Picard. Why it took them until Season 3 to deliver what everyone wanted I don't know.
    Zen Worf last night was amazing.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    I presume Boris will take a similar view of parties as Bill Clinton did on sexual relations. Odd of Simon Case to be so obstructive to Sue Gray getting a permanent secretary job since he himself was plucked from relative obscurity.

    Does Rishi get a boost from the NI deal? It seems to have shifted the polls a bit but the market reaction has been fairly tepid given how much businesses were panicking about the protocol bill. Still we have the opportunity to improve relations with the EU now around visas and other sensible areas.

    Rishi played a blinder with NI, but Boris and Sir Keir were quick to move the story on so it had no time whatsoever to sink in. We're back to normality.
    Smart Tories will not have expected more than they got in terms of a poll boost. The NI agreement is part of a process, not an end in itself. If Sunak can continue to deliver positives over a period of time then there is a chance the gap could close. After all, Labour hasn’t had big leads for that long. However, he needs the partygate and lockdown stuff to go away and for the Johnson loyalists to realise just how damaging their man is. That may be a tall order.

    I think we're in the situation where the Borisites (and others of that persuasion) would actually prefer Sir Keir to win if it meant Rishi failing. A similar phenomenon within the British Right occurred during the Major/Blair era and even - albeit to a lesser extent - with Cameron/Miliband. Rishi has few friends.
    We were at that point ages ago. They as good as said so when he was under threat, salivating at the prospect of them staying home in protest of the removal of the great Boris
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    FPT - @Leon had it right when he said all this stuff about crown jewels, Elgin Marbles, and Diego Garcia, slavery reparations etc is feeding into a wider narrative that Britain has lost confidence in itself, is consumed by guilt, and in irrevocable decline and thus everything is up for discussion for those who shout loudly enough, usually for domestic consumption. So it's no wonder people are queueing up to pick at the carcass to see what they can get. Hence, Argentina and the Falklands.

    Government need to grow a pair, up investment in the foreign office and ministry of defence, hold our heads high on the international stage, and, diplomatically, tell everyone who wants a piece of us to fuck off.

    Sadly, this time there is no Margaret Thatcher to tell them to go jump in a lake
    Maybe they need you or, better still, Judith Chalmers to do so.
    I did see you and @Dura_Ace mockingly comparing my tireless stalker, @SeanT, to Ms Chalmers for his work in the Spectator

    He seems to be doing ok, tho



    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-we-forgot-about-pol-pot/
    You are so easy to wind up. An anonymous poster on a discussion board ribs you slightly and you feel almost instantly compelled to screenshot and post the Spectator’s current “most read” list in retort. What’s wrong with Judith Chalmers anyway? She got an OBE. More than you/Mr Thomas have managed in your knapping/hacking careers.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    DougSeal said:

    Places at med schools are massively over subscribed. Pay and conditions are not putting people off wanting to become doctors.

    There’s some naïveté I think. Wanting to do something to help. Whenever I go to college Law Society dinners earnest undergraduates ache to become Human Rights Barristers, which pays sod all. If you want to be a rich liberal follow the example of tax barristers Joylon Maugham, who couldn’t fund his extra curricular activities without a solid helping of tax…clients.
    Grandson Two, currently reading history is thinking of transferring to law, or are doing a fourth year to get into law.
    His mother who used to work with high-level sporting contracts has, I fear, influenced him
    That’s what I did, I was a history undergraduate, did the conversIon course in York.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    FPT - @Leon had it right when he said all this stuff about crown jewels, Elgin Marbles, and Diego Garcia, slavery reparations etc is feeding into a wider narrative that Britain has lost confidence in itself, is consumed by guilt, and in irrevocable decline and thus everything is up for discussion for those who shout loudly enough, usually for domestic consumption. So it's no wonder people are queueing up to pick at the carcass to see what they can get. Hence, Argentina and the Falklands.

    Government need to grow a pair, up investment in the foreign office and ministry of defence, hold our heads high on the international stage, and, diplomatically, tell everyone who wants a piece of us to fuck off.

    Sadly, this time there is no Margaret Thatcher to tell them to go jump in a lake
    Maybe they need you or, better still, Judith Chalmers to do so.
    I did see you and @Dura_Ace mockingly comparing my tireless stalker, @SeanT, to Ms Chalmers for his work in the Spectator

    He seems to be doing ok, tho



    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-we-forgot-about-pol-pot/
    You are so easy to wind up. An anonymous poster on a discussion board ribs you slightly and you feel almost instantly compelled to screenshot and post the Spectator’s current “most read” list in retort. What’s wrong with Judith Chalmers anyway? She got an OBE. More than you/Mr Thomas have managed in your knapping/hacking careers.
    lol
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Convinced my wife a few months ago to watch DS9, she's not hugely into sci-fi but I sold it as a character drama more than anything else. She's really enjoying it, we got to Far Beyond the Stars (captain Sisko transports back to 1950s segregated America in a vision) this morning after putting Jen down for her nap. She was actually amazed at how good it is and how relevant it is today.

    What I think has impressed her most over the whole run is how well having a black captain was done. The reason she agreed was because she watched Discovery originally and found it merely ok so I suggested we go back to peak ST which for me is DS9. Coming back to this morning's episode she thinks if it was released today it would get lauded as one of the best TV episodes made. Have to say I agree, it really is brilliant.

    DS9 is amazing.

    Also enjoying the new Picard. Why it took them until Season 3 to deliver what everyone wanted I don't know.
    Haven't started Picard season 3, the first two were so awful so I'm waiting until it's all out to watch it.

    On the latter it's because modern TV writers have planet sized egos. They can't admit they got it wrong, season 3 has got a new writing team after Paramount sacked the original team after season 2 flopped. The Witcher suffers from this issue and Amazon will need to get a new writing team for Rings of Power as well. The Witcher writers managed to push Henry Cavill out and with him I think the audience goes too so Netflix will have to choose after season 4 flops whether to cancel it or sack the writers and bring back Henry Cavill with a team that will actually respect the source material. Same as Rings of Power.

    If you look at the most successful recent shows they are House of the Dragon and The Last of Us, both of them respect the brilliant source material and bring it all to life. In games Hogwarts Legacy has been a huge success and that's because it is a love letter to the Harry Potter universe and really respects everything JK Rowling wrote.
    Rings of Power I enjoyed, Picard season 1 left me lukewarm so not seen the second, and I lived Henry Cavill as Geralt.

    If you are adapting I think enjoying the source material can be very useful. You have to understand why people like it. You should then change things and do your own thing, don't be slavish, with that level of understanding and respect.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,413
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Convinced my wife a few months ago to watch DS9, she's not hugely into sci-fi but I sold it as a character drama more than anything else. She's really enjoying it, we got to Far Beyond the Stars (captain Sisko transports back to 1950s segregated America in a vision) this morning after putting Jen down for her nap. She was actually amazed at how good it is and how relevant it is today.

    What I think has impressed her most over the whole run is how well having a black captain was done. The reason she agreed was because she watched Discovery originally and found it merely ok so I suggested we go back to peak ST which for me is DS9. Coming back to this morning's episode she thinks if it was released today it would get lauded as one of the best TV episodes made. Have to say I agree, it really is brilliant.

    DS9 is amazing.

    Also enjoying the new Picard. Why it took them until Season 3 to deliver what everyone wanted I don't know.
    Haven't started Picard season 3, the first two were so awful so I'm waiting until it's all out to watch it.

    On the latter it's because modern TV writers have planet sized egos. They can't admit they got it wrong, season 3 has got a new writing team after Paramount sacked the original team after season 2 flopped. The Witcher suffers from this issue and Amazon will need to get a new writing team for Rings of Power as well. The Witcher writers managed to push Henry Cavill out and with him I think the audience goes too so Netflix will have to choose after season 4 flops whether to cancel it or sack the writers and bring back Henry Cavill with a team that will actually respect the source material. Same as Rings of Power.

    If you look at the most successful recent shows they are House of the Dragon and The Last of Us, both of them respect the brilliant source material and bring it all to life. In games Hogwarts Legacy has been a huge success and that's because it is a love letter to the Harry Potter universe and really respects everything JK Rowling wrote.
    Season 2 was as boring as fuck. I still haven't finished it as I can only get 10 minutes through each part of an episode before I want to slit my wrists.

    They seemed to want to talk more about illegal Hispanic immigration into the USA than Star Trek and had Michelle Hurd on the screen all the time who is possibly the weakest and dullest actress Star Trek has ever had.
  • gold1gold1 Posts: 7
    Not looking good for the ukrainians at all now sadly.

    Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) are experiencing a shortage of artillery, ammunition, military aircraft and tanks." -Zelensky

    https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1631752058561855488?s=20
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    What’s the latest on the Harry/Meghan split report on here last week?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    edited March 2023
    gold1 said:

    Not looking good for the ukrainians at all now sadly.

    Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) are experiencing a shortage of artillery, ammunition, military aircraft and tanks." -Zelensky

    https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1631752058561855488?s=20

    Strange thing to start posting here with and a very strange choice of “news” provider
  • gold1gold1 Posts: 7
    Even the spectator now thinks Putin is winning.

    Attitudes are changing to reflect the new reality: Is Putin winning? The world order is changing in his favour.

    https://twitter.com/thesiriusreport/status/1631574871820890114?s=20
  • gold1gold1 Posts: 7
    As the hours pass more & more distressing videos are emerging, a Ukrainian soldier in Bakhmut has put out a video saying that the Ukrainian Commander's & Officers are killing their own men if they are retreating from the city area, he has called for immediate help!


    https://twitter.com/stephiereine/status/1630580903184420866?s=20
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    Betting Post 🐎

    Kelso 1:50 Collingham
    Newbury 2:10 Dargiannini
    Kelso 2:25 The Wounded Knee
    Doncaster 3:15 Moroder
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    gold1 said:

    Even the spectator now thinks Putin is winning.

    Attitudes are changing to reflect the new reality: Is Putin winning? The world order is changing in his favour.

    https://twitter.com/thesiriusreport/status/1631574871820890114?s=20

    They always show up on Saturday mornings don’t they? Like clockwork.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319
    Eabhal said:

    malcolmg said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Why is everyone whining about junior Doctors asking for a decent pay rise?

    They've had huge real terms pay cuts over the last 10 years. Conditions in the NHS are rubbish. Australia beckons.

    The PB cohort should have a keen interest in retaining as many of these staff as possible, especially given the UK's upcoming demographic timebomb.

    Giving the junior doctors an above inflation pay rise is inflationary.

    This doesn’t mean they don’t need or deserve such a rise.

    Both can be true at once.

    I’ve noticed a curious modern phenomenon of

    1) X is nice/moral/right
    2) Therefore X can have no negative side effects. Saying it has negative side effects is evidence the sayer is evil.

    Everything has side effects. All decisions are a balance between the positives and the negatives.
    I'm not making a fairness argument. I'm just pointing out that the NHS is in ever deeper trouble if it can't retain staff. The same argument allies there as in the private sector.

    My gf just got her contract in from the hospital in Melbourne. Very nice.
    Don't hit your arse on the door on the way out
    It's people like you she spends her shifts looking after.
    Doubt it I go private
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Convinced my wife a few months ago to watch DS9, she's not hugely into sci-fi but I sold it as a character drama more than anything else. She's really enjoying it, we got to Far Beyond the Stars (captain Sisko transports back to 1950s segregated America in a vision) this morning after putting Jen down for her nap. She was actually amazed at how good it is and how relevant it is today.

    What I think has impressed her most over the whole run is how well having a black captain was done. The reason she agreed was because she watched Discovery originally and found it merely ok so I suggested we go back to peak ST which for me is DS9. Coming back to this morning's episode she thinks if it was released today it would get lauded as one of the best TV episodes made. Have to say I agree, it really is brilliant.

    DS9 is amazing.

    Also enjoying the new Picard. Why it took them until Season 3 to deliver what everyone wanted I don't know.
    Haven't started Picard season 3, the first two were so awful so I'm waiting until it's all out to watch it.

    On the latter it's because modern TV writers have planet sized egos. They can't admit they got it wrong, season 3 has got a new writing team after Paramount sacked the original team after season 2 flopped. The Witcher suffers from this issue and Amazon will need to get a new writing team for Rings of Power as well. The Witcher writers managed to push Henry Cavill out and with him I think the audience goes too so Netflix will have to choose after season 4 flops whether to cancel it or sack the writers and bring back Henry Cavill with a team that will actually respect the source material. Same as Rings of Power.

    If you look at the most successful recent shows they are House of the Dragon and The Last of Us, both of them respect the brilliant source material and bring it all to life. In games Hogwarts Legacy has been a huge success and that's because it is a love letter to the Harry Potter universe and really respects everything JK Rowling wrote.
    If you thought episode 2 was bad episode 3 was way worse…
  • gold1gold1 Posts: 7
    Yevgeny Prigozhin, head of Russia’s Wagner group, has called on Zelensky to order an immediate withdrawl of his forces saying Bakhmut is surrounded. Will Zelensky allow thousands more to die needlessly like he already has?

    https://twitter.com/UnityNewsNet/status/1631649487239401474?s=20
  • gold1gold1 Posts: 7
    Zelensky has a choice to make now. End the war and save ukrainian lives or get heavily slaughtered in the battlefield
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    gold1 said:

    Yevgeny Prigozhin, head of Russia’s Wagner group, has called on Zelensky to order an immediate withdrawl of his forces saying Bakhmut is surrounded. Will Zelensky allow thousands more to die needlessly like he already has?

    https://twitter.com/UnityNewsNet/status/1631649487239401474?s=20

    Do you have any views on vaccines by any chance?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319

    I think in hindsight we should have locked the over 60s and very vulnerable indoors but everyone else should have been free. I naively assumed we’d get some kind of gratitude or sympathy for what we did but no we just get fucked over again and again. Sick of it.

    You are a real fcuknugget. You needy whining arsehole of a loser.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    DougSeal said:

    gold1 said:

    Even the spectator now thinks Putin is winning.

    Attitudes are changing to reflect the new reality: Is Putin winning? The world order is changing in his favour.

    https://twitter.com/thesiriusreport/status/1631574871820890114?s=20

    They always show up on Saturday mornings don’t they? Like clockwork.
    What’s up[setting is we used to get them in working hours. Now we seem to get second rate freelancers
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    malcolmg said:

    Eabhal said:

    malcolmg said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Why is everyone whining about junior Doctors asking for a decent pay rise?

    They've had huge real terms pay cuts over the last 10 years. Conditions in the NHS are rubbish. Australia beckons.

    The PB cohort should have a keen interest in retaining as many of these staff as possible, especially given the UK's upcoming demographic timebomb.

    Giving the junior doctors an above inflation pay rise is inflationary.

    This doesn’t mean they don’t need or deserve such a rise.

    Both can be true at once.

    I’ve noticed a curious modern phenomenon of

    1) X is nice/moral/right
    2) Therefore X can have no negative side effects. Saying it has negative side effects is evidence the sayer is evil.

    Everything has side effects. All decisions are a balance between the positives and the negatives.
    I'm not making a fairness argument. I'm just pointing out that the NHS is in ever deeper trouble if it can't retain staff. The same argument allies there as in the private sector.

    My gf just got her contract in from the hospital in Melbourne. Very nice.
    Don't hit your arse on the door on the way out
    It's people like you she spends her shifts looking after.
    Doubt it I go private
    But what was your view on Season 2 of Picard?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,783
    Ah! I see we're back to the Saturday regular slot after a couple of weeks of Friday evening being 'mate' time.
  • gold1gold1 Posts: 7
    Many in the west are starved of masculine leadershio. Putin is a real man and appeals to many compared to simpering western p.ss.ies
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822
    gold1 said:

    Zelensky has a choice to make now. End the war and save ukrainian lives or get heavily slaughtered in the battlefield

    I think there may be a third path. Perhaps he could hire a bunch of people to post a stream of weird propaganda on obscure message boards (on Saturday mornings especially) in the hope that turns things around?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    gold1 said:

    Many in the west are starved of masculine leadershio. Putin is a real man and appeals to many compared to simpering western p.ss.ies

    That’s not what your Mum told me.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,424
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Places at med schools are massively over subscribed. Pay and conditions are not putting people off wanting to become doctors.

    There’s some naïveté I think. Wanting to do something to help. Whenever I go to college Law Society dinners earnest undergraduates ache to become Human Rights Barristers, which pays sod all. If you want to be a rich liberal follow the example of tax barristers Joylon Maugham, who couldn’t fund his extra curricular activities without a solid helping of tax…clients.
    Grandson Two, currently reading history is thinking of transferring to law, or are doing a fourth year to get into law.
    His mother who used to work with high-level sporting contracts has, I fear, influenced him
    That’s what I did, I was a history undergraduate, did the conversIon course in York.
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Places at med schools are massively over subscribed. Pay and conditions are not putting people off wanting to become doctors.

    There’s some naïveté I think. Wanting to do something to help. Whenever I go to college Law Society dinners earnest undergraduates ache to become Human Rights Barristers, which pays sod all. If you want to be a rich liberal follow the example of tax barristers Joylon Maugham, who couldn’t fund his extra curricular activities without a solid helping of tax…clients.
    Grandson Two, currently reading history is thinking of transferring to law, or are doing a fourth year to get into law.
    His mother who used to work with high-level sporting contracts has, I fear, influenced him
    That’s what I did, I was a history undergraduate, did the conversIon course in York.
    Clearly worked to your advantage! Grandson is, I believe, looking for appropriate vacation work.
    Not for the whole summer though; he’s got a well-paid job in a local hotel lined up. Done several vacations there!
  • gold1gold1 Posts: 7
    Compare Putin to say Trudeau or Biden or Sunak. He appears much more impressive
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822
    gold1 said:

    Compare Putin to say Trudeau or Biden or Sunak. He appears much more impressive

    In Top Trumps

    Biden > Putin on Age
    Trudeau > Putin on Height
    Sunak > Putin on Smarm
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319
    eek said:

    gold1 said:

    Not looking good for the ukrainians at all now sadly.

    Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) are experiencing a shortage of artillery, ammunition, military aircraft and tanks." -Zelensky

    https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1631752058561855488?s=20

    Strange thing to start posting here with and a very strange choice of “news” provider
    Subtle as a brick
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Places at med schools are massively over subscribed. Pay and conditions are not putting people off wanting to become doctors.

    There’s some naïveté I think. Wanting to do something to help. Whenever I go to college Law Society dinners earnest undergraduates ache to become Human Rights Barristers, which pays sod all. If you want to be a rich liberal follow the example of tax barristers Joylon Maugham, who couldn’t fund his extra curricular activities without a solid helping of tax…clients.
    Grandson Two, currently reading history is thinking of transferring to law, or are doing a fourth year to get into law.
    His mother who used to work with high-level sporting contracts has, I fear, influenced him
    That’s what I did, I was a history undergraduate, did the conversIon course in York.
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Places at med schools are massively over subscribed. Pay and conditions are not putting people off wanting to become doctors.

    There’s some naïveté I think. Wanting to do something to help. Whenever I go to college Law Society dinners earnest undergraduates ache to become Human Rights Barristers, which pays sod all. If you want to be a rich liberal follow the example of tax barristers Joylon Maugham, who couldn’t fund his extra curricular activities without a solid helping of tax…clients.
    Grandson Two, currently reading history is thinking of transferring to law, or are doing a fourth year to get into law.
    His mother who used to work with high-level sporting contracts has, I fear, influenced him
    That’s what I did, I was a history undergraduate, did the conversIon course in York.
    Clearly worked to your advantage! Grandson is, I believe, looking for appropriate vacation work.
    Not for the whole summer though; he’s got a well-paid job in a local hotel lined up. Done several vacations there!
    Sounds like the right balance! I spent my vacations working at the Black Griffin in Canterbury. The only pub that would serve squaddies from the barracks. Best education I ever got.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    gold1 said:

    Zelensky has a choice to make now. End the war and save ukrainian lives or get heavily slaughtered in the battlefield

    I think there may be a third path. Perhaps he could hire a bunch of people to post a stream of weird propaganda on obscure message boards (on Saturday mornings especially) in the hope that turns things around?
    Clearly this is where opinion is shaped.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,783
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Convinced my wife a few months ago to watch DS9, she's not hugely into sci-fi but I sold it as a character drama more than anything else. She's really enjoying it, we got to Far Beyond the Stars (captain Sisko transports back to 1950s segregated America in a vision) this morning after putting Jen down for her nap. She was actually amazed at how good it is and how relevant it is today.

    What I think has impressed her most over the whole run is how well having a black captain was done. The reason she agreed was because she watched Discovery originally and found it merely ok so I suggested we go back to peak ST which for me is DS9. Coming back to this morning's episode she thinks if it was released today it would get lauded as one of the best TV episodes made. Have to say I agree, it really is brilliant.

    DS9 is amazing.

    Also enjoying the new Picard. Why it took them until Season 3 to deliver what everyone wanted I don't know.
    Haven't started Picard season 3, the first two were so awful so I'm waiting until it's all out to watch it.

    On the latter it's because modern TV writers have planet sized egos. They can't admit they got it wrong, season 3 has got a new writing team after Paramount sacked the original team after season 2 flopped. The Witcher suffers from this issue and Amazon will need to get a new writing team for Rings of Power as well. The Witcher writers managed to push Henry Cavill out and with him I think the audience goes too so Netflix will have to choose after season 4 flops whether to cancel it or sack the writers and bring back Henry Cavill with a team that will actually respect the source material. Same as Rings of Power.

    If you look at the most successful recent shows they are House of the Dragon and The Last of Us, both of them respect the brilliant source material and bring it all to life. In games Hogwarts Legacy has been a huge success and that's because it is a love letter to the Harry Potter universe and really respects everything JK Rowling wrote.
    I didn't even make it to the end of S1 of Picard. Though I did enjoy the 'Strange New Worlds'. Closest thing to 'real Star Trek' they've put out in a long while.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319
    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    Eabhal said:

    malcolmg said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Why is everyone whining about junior Doctors asking for a decent pay rise?

    They've had huge real terms pay cuts over the last 10 years. Conditions in the NHS are rubbish. Australia beckons.

    The PB cohort should have a keen interest in retaining as many of these staff as possible, especially given the UK's upcoming demographic timebomb.

    Giving the junior doctors an above inflation pay rise is inflationary.

    This doesn’t mean they don’t need or deserve such a rise.

    Both can be true at once.

    I’ve noticed a curious modern phenomenon of

    1) X is nice/moral/right
    2) Therefore X can have no negative side effects. Saying it has negative side effects is evidence the sayer is evil.

    Everything has side effects. All decisions are a balance between the positives and the negatives.
    I'm not making a fairness argument. I'm just pointing out that the NHS is in ever deeper trouble if it can't retain staff. The same argument allies there as in the private sector.

    My gf just got her contract in from the hospital in Melbourne. Very nice.
    Don't hit your arse on the door on the way out
    It's people like you she spends her shifts looking after.
    Doubt it I go private
    But what was your view on Season 2 of Picard?
    Not seen 1 or 2 as reviews said it was mince of the first order.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ...

    Memo to Russian trolls.

    Update your IP adresses to avoid automatic bans.

    Is that how you knew this chap is a Russian troll?
    gold1 said:

    Compare Putin to say Trudeau or Biden or Sunak. He appears much more impressive

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,424
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Places at med schools are massively over subscribed. Pay and conditions are not putting people off wanting to become doctors.

    There’s some naïveté I think. Wanting to do something to help. Whenever I go to college Law Society dinners earnest undergraduates ache to become Human Rights Barristers, which pays sod all. If you want to be a rich liberal follow the example of tax barristers Joylon Maugham, who couldn’t fund his extra curricular activities without a solid helping of tax…clients.
    Grandson Two, currently reading history is thinking of transferring to law, or are doing a fourth year to get into law.
    His mother who used to work with high-level sporting contracts has, I fear, influenced him
    That’s what I did, I was a history undergraduate, did the conversIon course in York.
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Places at med schools are massively over subscribed. Pay and conditions are not putting people off wanting to become doctors.

    There’s some naïveté I think. Wanting to do something to help. Whenever I go to college Law Society dinners earnest undergraduates ache to become Human Rights Barristers, which pays sod all. If you want to be a rich liberal follow the example of tax barristers Joylon Maugham, who couldn’t fund his extra curricular activities without a solid helping of tax…clients.
    Grandson Two, currently reading history is thinking of transferring to law, or are doing a fourth year to get into law.
    His mother who used to work with high-level sporting contracts has, I fear, influenced him
    That’s what I did, I was a history undergraduate, did the conversIon course in York.
    Clearly worked to your advantage! Grandson is, I believe, looking for appropriate vacation work.
    Not for the whole summer though; he’s got a well-paid job in a local hotel lined up. Done several vacations there!
    Sounds like the right balance! I spent my vacations working at the Black Griffin in Canterbury. The only pub that would serve squaddies from the barracks. Best education I ever got.
    He’s certainly learning something about management…… good and bad.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319
    gold1 said:

    Compare Putin to say Trudeau or Biden or Sunak. He appears much more impressive

    You need to visit Russian version of Specsavers mate.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    ohnotnow said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Convinced my wife a few months ago to watch DS9, she's not hugely into sci-fi but I sold it as a character drama more than anything else. She's really enjoying it, we got to Far Beyond the Stars (captain Sisko transports back to 1950s segregated America in a vision) this morning after putting Jen down for her nap. She was actually amazed at how good it is and how relevant it is today.

    What I think has impressed her most over the whole run is how well having a black captain was done. The reason she agreed was because she watched Discovery originally and found it merely ok so I suggested we go back to peak ST which for me is DS9. Coming back to this morning's episode she thinks if it was released today it would get lauded as one of the best TV episodes made. Have to say I agree, it really is brilliant.

    DS9 is amazing.

    Also enjoying the new Picard. Why it took them until Season 3 to deliver what everyone wanted I don't know.
    Haven't started Picard season 3, the first two were so awful so I'm waiting until it's all out to watch it.

    On the latter it's because modern TV writers have planet sized egos. They can't admit they got it wrong, season 3 has got a new writing team after Paramount sacked the original team after season 2 flopped. The Witcher suffers from this issue and Amazon will need to get a new writing team for Rings of Power as well. The Witcher writers managed to push Henry Cavill out and with him I think the audience goes too so Netflix will have to choose after season 4 flops whether to cancel it or sack the writers and bring back Henry Cavill with a team that will actually respect the source material. Same as Rings of Power.

    If you look at the most successful recent shows they are House of the Dragon and The Last of Us, both of them respect the brilliant source material and bring it all to life. In games Hogwarts Legacy has been a huge success and that's because it is a love letter to the Harry Potter universe and really respects everything JK Rowling wrote.
    I didn't even make it to the end of S1 of Picard. Though I did enjoy the 'Strange New Worlds'. Closest thing to 'real Star Trek' they've put out in a long while.
    Other than S1 of The Orville.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    Eabhal said:

    malcolmg said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Why is everyone whining about junior Doctors asking for a decent pay rise?

    They've had huge real terms pay cuts over the last 10 years. Conditions in the NHS are rubbish. Australia beckons.

    The PB cohort should have a keen interest in retaining as many of these staff as possible, especially given the UK's upcoming demographic timebomb.

    Giving the junior doctors an above inflation pay rise is inflationary.

    This doesn’t mean they don’t need or deserve such a rise.

    Both can be true at once.

    I’ve noticed a curious modern phenomenon of

    1) X is nice/moral/right
    2) Therefore X can have no negative side effects. Saying it has negative side effects is evidence the sayer is evil.

    Everything has side effects. All decisions are a balance between the positives and the negatives.
    I'm not making a fairness argument. I'm just pointing out that the NHS is in ever deeper trouble if it can't retain staff. The same argument allies there as in the private sector.

    My gf just got her contract in from the hospital in Melbourne. Very nice.
    Don't hit your arse on the door on the way out
    It's people like you she spends her shifts looking after.
    Doubt it I go private
    But what was your view on Season 2 of Picard?
    Not seen 1 or 2 as reviews said it was mince of the first order.
    Look, I just refuse to believe the head of
    Starfleet uses the word fuck is all.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319
    what is verdict on The Mandalorian , is it worth watching.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    ohnotnow said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Convinced my wife a few months ago to watch DS9, she's not hugely into sci-fi but I sold it as a character drama more than anything else. She's really enjoying it, we got to Far Beyond the Stars (captain Sisko transports back to 1950s segregated America in a vision) this morning after putting Jen down for her nap. She was actually amazed at how good it is and how relevant it is today.

    What I think has impressed her most over the whole run is how well having a black captain was done. The reason she agreed was because she watched Discovery originally and found it merely ok so I suggested we go back to peak ST which for me is DS9. Coming back to this morning's episode she thinks if it was released today it would get lauded as one of the best TV episodes made. Have to say I agree, it really is brilliant.

    DS9 is amazing.

    Also enjoying the new Picard. Why it took them until Season 3 to deliver what everyone wanted I don't know.
    Haven't started Picard season 3, the first two were so awful so I'm waiting until it's all out to watch it.

    On the latter it's because modern TV writers have planet sized egos. They can't admit they got it wrong, season 3 has got a new writing team after Paramount sacked the original team after season 2 flopped. The Witcher suffers from this issue and Amazon will need to get a new writing team for Rings of Power as well. The Witcher writers managed to push Henry Cavill out and with him I think the audience goes too so Netflix will have to choose after season 4 flops whether to cancel it or sack the writers and bring back Henry Cavill with a team that will actually respect the source material. Same as Rings of Power.

    If you look at the most successful recent shows they are House of the Dragon and The Last of Us, both of them respect the brilliant source material and bring it all to life. In games Hogwarts Legacy has been a huge success and that's because it is a love letter to the Harry Potter universe and really respects everything JK Rowling wrote.
    I didn't even make it to the end of S1 of Picard. Though I did enjoy the 'Strange New Worlds'. Closest thing to 'real Star Trek' they've put out in a long while.
    It is worrying that there’s so much time and effort put into keeping very old franchises alive rather than trying to create new ones.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    Memo to Russian trolls.

    Update your IP adresses to avoid automatic bans.

    Message recieved. This new breed has no staying power.
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    Surprised Vlad doesn't throw them in the shark pool.
  • gold1 said:

    Compare Putin to say Trudeau or Biden or Sunak. He appears much more impressive

    Putin is a real gay icon, that’s what makes him impressive


  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    edited March 2023
    DougSeal said:

    ohnotnow said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Convinced my wife a few months ago to watch DS9, she's not hugely into sci-fi but I sold it as a character drama more than anything else. She's really enjoying it, we got to Far Beyond the Stars (captain Sisko transports back to 1950s segregated America in a vision) this morning after putting Jen down for her nap. She was actually amazed at how good it is and how relevant it is today.

    What I think has impressed her most over the whole run is how well having a black captain was done. The reason she agreed was because she watched Discovery originally and found it merely ok so I suggested we go back to peak ST which for me is DS9. Coming back to this morning's episode she thinks if it was released today it would get lauded as one of the best TV episodes made. Have to say I agree, it really is brilliant.

    DS9 is amazing.

    Also enjoying the new Picard. Why it took them until Season 3 to deliver what everyone wanted I don't know.
    Haven't started Picard season 3, the first two were so awful so I'm waiting until it's all out to watch it.

    On the latter it's because modern TV writers have planet sized egos. They can't admit they got it wrong, season 3 has got a new writing team after Paramount sacked the original team after season 2 flopped. The Witcher suffers from this issue and Amazon will need to get a new writing team for Rings of Power as well. The Witcher writers managed to push Henry Cavill out and with him I think the audience goes too so Netflix will have to choose after season 4 flops whether to cancel it or sack the writers and bring back Henry Cavill with a team that will actually respect the source material. Same as Rings of Power.

    If you look at the most successful recent shows they are House of the Dragon and The Last of Us, both of them respect the brilliant source material and bring it all to life. In games Hogwarts Legacy has been a huge success and that's because it is a love letter to the Harry Potter universe and really respects everything JK Rowling wrote.
    I didn't even make it to the end of S1 of Picard. Though I did enjoy the 'Strange New Worlds'. Closest thing to 'real Star Trek' they've put out in a long while.
    It is worrying that there’s so much time and effort put into keeping very old franchises alive rather than trying to create new ones.
    Eh, a bit. Even more than normal nostalgia reboots and revivals are very high right now. But there's nothing wrong in itself in redoing older stuff. Thats how they become part of our culture.

    Why keep keeping Shakespeare alive?
  • malcolmg said:

    what is verdict on The Mandalorian , is it worth watching.

    Hell yes.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,413
    gold1 said:

    Many in the west are starved of masculine leadershio. Putin is a real man and appeals to many compared to simpering western p.ss.ies

    This is funny. No subtlety at all.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486

    Memo to Russian trolls.

    Update your IP adresses to avoid automatic bans.

    I, for one, am delighted that they have taken to heart my advice last week regarding improving their name originality and they no longer use names plucked from a very boring phone book.

    Next stop is to avoid adding a number to their pen name and things will be marvellous.

    I most look forward to reading next Saturday’s posts on vaccines and Ukraine from “theghostofJudithchalmers” or “onlyrealmenridetopless”.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,413
    kle4 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Convinced my wife a few months ago to watch DS9, she's not hugely into sci-fi but I sold it as a character drama more than anything else. She's really enjoying it, we got to Far Beyond the Stars (captain Sisko transports back to 1950s segregated America in a vision) this morning after putting Jen down for her nap. She was actually amazed at how good it is and how relevant it is today.

    What I think has impressed her most over the whole run is how well having a black captain was done. The reason she agreed was because she watched Discovery originally and found it merely ok so I suggested we go back to peak ST which for me is DS9. Coming back to this morning's episode she thinks if it was released today it would get lauded as one of the best TV episodes made. Have to say I agree, it really is brilliant.

    DS9 is amazing.

    Also enjoying the new Picard. Why it took them until Season 3 to deliver what everyone wanted I don't know.
    Haven't started Picard season 3, the first two were so awful so I'm waiting until it's all out to watch it.

    On the latter it's because modern TV writers have planet sized egos. They can't admit they got it wrong, season 3 has got a new writing team after Paramount sacked the original team after season 2 flopped. The Witcher suffers from this issue and Amazon will need to get a new writing team for Rings of Power as well. The Witcher writers managed to push Henry Cavill out and with him I think the audience goes too so Netflix will have to choose after season 4 flops whether to cancel it or sack the writers and bring back Henry Cavill with a team that will actually respect the source material. Same as Rings of Power.

    If you look at the most successful recent shows they are House of the Dragon and The Last of Us, both of them respect the brilliant source material and bring it all to life. In games Hogwarts Legacy has been a huge success and that's because it is a love letter to the Harry Potter universe and really respects everything JK Rowling wrote.
    I didn't even make it to the end of S1 of Picard. Though I did enjoy the 'Strange New Worlds'. Closest thing to 'real Star Trek' they've put out in a long while.
    Other than S1 of The Orville.
    The Orville was better, quite frankly.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Small boats laws:

    * Asylum claims by those who make small boat crossings automatically inadmissible

    * New detention powers

    * Removal to third country

    * Permanently banned from returning to UK

    * No right to remain while cases heard

    ROFL there is no way this is going to work

    Rishi gives me the horn.
    Whatever floats your inflatable boat.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375
    edited March 2023

    Memo to Russian trolls.

    Update your IP adresses to avoid automatic bans.

    Disappointed that you didn't give me time to respond before the ban and come out proudly as a 'simpering western pussy'.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,217

    Memo to Russian trolls.

    Update your IP adresses to avoid automatic bans.

    Disappointed that you didn't give me time to respond before the ban and come out proudly as a 'simpering western pussy'.
    I'm sure you'll have another opportunity soon.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Have to say Rishi seems to be coming out well from all of the WhatsApp leaks. Vindicated by his early anti lockdown stance and opposing the clearly power crazed Hancock and other DoH wankers who ruined everyone's lives.

    Agree. Boris too. Hancock the worst, but that seems to be the point.
    Boris doesn't at all, he is way too easily convinced by Hancock and the lockdown loving scientists. If he'd backed Rishi and stood up to the scientists and Hancock we'd have avoided lockdowns 2 and 3.
    You are rewriting both history and reality.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,787
    Mr. Max, DS9 has a lot to like. Damar's arc springs to mind, and the conversation Kira has with him about whether or not to bomb facilities after the Dominion choose to make sure every one has Cardassians present is interesting for the moral quandry it raises.

    Mr. Seal, I hardly ever watch new stuff (although I did get a box set of the first three seasons of The Expanse and liked it a lot. May watch House of the Dragon at some point). A problem can be when something seeks to claim the fanbase of an IP then changes it utterly for a 'modern audience' (Velma could be such an example).

    And sometimes writing quality is just atrocious. Yes, Galadriel taking a pyroclastic flow to the face and being just fine. I'm looking at you.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,413

    Mr. Max, DS9 has a lot to like. Damar's arc springs to mind, and the conversation Kira has with him about whether or not to bomb facilities after the Dominion choose to make sure every one has Cardassians present is interesting for the moral quandry it raises.

    Mr. Seal, I hardly ever watch new stuff (although I did get a box set of the first three seasons of The Expanse and liked it a lot. May watch House of the Dragon at some point). A problem can be when something seeks to claim the fanbase of an IP then changes it utterly for a 'modern audience' (Velma could be such an example).

    And sometimes writing quality is just atrocious. Yes, Galadriel taking a pyroclastic flow to the face and being just fine. I'm looking at you.

    The trouble is writers can't resist the Wokery.

    And, when they do, people just turn off.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    edited March 2023
    gold1 said:

    Many in the west are starved of masculine leadershio. Putin is a real man and appeals to many compared to simpering western p.ss.ies

    Perhaps PB have reached peak Russian trolling. A post, worthy of the topless horseman himself.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    kle4 said:

    DougSeal said:

    ohnotnow said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Convinced my wife a few months ago to watch DS9, she's not hugely into sci-fi but I sold it as a character drama more than anything else. She's really enjoying it, we got to Far Beyond the Stars (captain Sisko transports back to 1950s segregated America in a vision) this morning after putting Jen down for her nap. She was actually amazed at how good it is and how relevant it is today.

    What I think has impressed her most over the whole run is how well having a black captain was done. The reason she agreed was because she watched Discovery originally and found it merely ok so I suggested we go back to peak ST which for me is DS9. Coming back to this morning's episode she thinks if it was released today it would get lauded as one of the best TV episodes made. Have to say I agree, it really is brilliant.

    DS9 is amazing.

    Also enjoying the new Picard. Why it took them until Season 3 to deliver what everyone wanted I don't know.
    Haven't started Picard season 3, the first two were so awful so I'm waiting until it's all out to watch it.

    On the latter it's because modern TV writers have planet sized egos. They can't admit they got it wrong, season 3 has got a new writing team after Paramount sacked the original team after season 2 flopped. The Witcher suffers from this issue and Amazon will need to get a new writing team for Rings of Power as well. The Witcher writers managed to push Henry Cavill out and with him I think the audience goes too so Netflix will have to choose after season 4 flops whether to cancel it or sack the writers and bring back Henry Cavill with a team that will actually respect the source material. Same as Rings of Power.

    If you look at the most successful recent shows they are House of the Dragon and The Last of Us, both of them respect the brilliant source material and bring it all to life. In games Hogwarts Legacy has been a huge success and that's because it is a love letter to the Harry Potter universe and really respects everything JK Rowling wrote.
    I didn't even make it to the end of S1 of Picard. Though I did enjoy the 'Strange New Worlds'. Closest thing to 'real Star Trek' they've put out in a long while.
    It is worrying that there’s so much time and effort put into keeping very old franchises alive rather than trying to create new ones.
    Eh, a bit. Even more than normal nostalgia reboots and revivals are very high right now. But there's nothing wrong in itself in redoing older stuff. Thats how they become part of our culture.

    Why keep keeping Shakespeare alive?
    Fair point. But they’re not writing new Shakespeare. “Macbeth 2: The Quickening” anyone?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,413
    Animal-free does not equal animal-cruelty free.

    Why is Charles helping these vegan fucknut memes become common currency?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64836101
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,521
    malcolmg said:

    I think in hindsight we should have locked the over 60s and very vulnerable indoors but everyone else should have been free. I naively assumed we’d get some kind of gratitude or sympathy for what we did but no we just get fucked over again and again. Sick of it.

    You are a real fcuknugget. You needy whining arsehole of a loser.
    Hey, its an improvement from his previous stated position which was we should just let everyone over 60 die. Be thankful for small mercies.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486

    Mr. Max, DS9 has a lot to like. Damar's arc springs to mind, and the conversation Kira has with him about whether or not to bomb facilities after the Dominion choose to make sure every one has Cardassians present is interesting for the moral quandry it raises.

    Mr. Seal, I hardly ever watch new stuff (although I did get a box set of the first three seasons of The Expanse and liked it a lot. May watch House of the Dragon at some point). A problem can be when something seeks to claim the fanbase of an IP then changes it utterly for a 'modern audience' (Velma could be such an example).

    And sometimes writing quality is just atrocious. Yes, Galadriel taking a pyroclastic flow to the face and being just fine. I'm looking at you.

    The trouble is writers can't resist the Wokery.

    And, when they do, people just turn off.
    I stumbled across a series called “the boys” (I usually don’t like superhero things) and have never watched anything so non-correct. Attacks certain political positions but not from a pearl clutching standpoint and with dark humour.

    The best thing is that I have never heard the banned “C” word used so much outside of mumsnet.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    Speaking of nostalgia that Super Mario Bros movie looks perfectly calculated to flick those nostalgia points.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    kle4 said:

    Speaking of nostalgia that Super Mario Bros movie looks perfectly calculated to flick those nostalgia points.

    They’ll never improve on the one with Bob Hoskins in it
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802
    edited March 2023

    Mr. Max, DS9 has a lot to like. Damar's arc springs to mind, and the conversation Kira has with him about whether or not to bomb facilities after the Dominion choose to make sure every one has Cardassians present is interesting for the moral quandry it raises.

    Mr. Seal, I hardly ever watch new stuff (although I did get a box set of the first three seasons of The Expanse and liked it a lot. May watch House of the Dragon at some point). A problem can be when something seeks to claim the fanbase of an IP then changes it utterly for a 'modern audience' (Velma could be such an example).

    And sometimes writing quality is just atrocious. Yes, Galadriel taking a pyroclastic flow to the face and being just fine. I'm looking at you.

    Damar has one of the best character development arcs of anyone in ST. From where he starts as Dukat's sidekick to leading the Cardassian freedom fighter movement is brilliant, his descent from being loyal servant to exactly the kind of Bajoran terrorist he hated in season 7 is unrivalled by any other character story in Trek.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,787
    Mr. Royale, sometimes, that's true. The thing is, competence affects this too.

    A smarter writing group could've had a checklist of skin colours in Rings of Power by setting it in Harad. But because they're ignorant they have tokenistic efforts. Let's say, for argument's sake, there are black dwarves. You don't get just one. That's not how genetics work. So you need either more present on screen, or emphasise that the marriage was political initially (uniting a white dwarf clan and black dwarf clan in alliance) but they've grown to love one another. It just needs a sentence. But having Disa as a solo black dwarf makes it seem like she was thrust from the heavens into Middle-Earth. And having small communities with wildly varying skin tones in a fantastical but roughly medieval setting betrays an incredible level of demographic and historical ignorance. A more cosmopolitian approach in a huge city can work better to a degree (although you still end up with distinct districts) but in a village?

    It's akin to comically 'sensitive' idiots who were upset that Kingdom Come: Deliverance (set in a few square miles of Bohemia in 1403) had only white people in it.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,521
    boulay said:

    Mr. Max, DS9 has a lot to like. Damar's arc springs to mind, and the conversation Kira has with him about whether or not to bomb facilities after the Dominion choose to make sure every one has Cardassians present is interesting for the moral quandry it raises.

    Mr. Seal, I hardly ever watch new stuff (although I did get a box set of the first three seasons of The Expanse and liked it a lot. May watch House of the Dragon at some point). A problem can be when something seeks to claim the fanbase of an IP then changes it utterly for a 'modern audience' (Velma could be such an example).

    And sometimes writing quality is just atrocious. Yes, Galadriel taking a pyroclastic flow to the face and being just fine. I'm looking at you.

    The trouble is writers can't resist the Wokery.

    And, when they do, people just turn off.
    I stumbled across a series called “the boys” (I usually don’t like superhero things) and have never watched anything so non-correct. Attacks certain political positions but not from a pearl clutching standpoint and with dark humour.

    The best thing is that I have never heard the banned “C” word used so much outside of mumsnet.
    The Boys is fantastic. Karl Urban proving once again what a great actor he is. Also worth watching Preacher which was also written by Garth Ennis. Made by the same team and has the same black humour.

    Unless you are religious. If you are religious you probably won't enjoy it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    Mr. Royale, sometimes, that's true. The thing is, competence affects this too.

    A smarter writing group could've had a checklist of skin colours in Rings of Power by setting it in Harad. But because they're ignorant they have tokenistic efforts. Let's say, for argument's sake, there are black dwarves. You don't get just one. That's not how genetics work. So you need either more present on screen, or emphasise that the marriage was political initially (uniting a white dwarf clan and black dwarf clan in alliance) but they've grown to love one another. It just needs a sentence. But having Disa as a solo black dwarf makes it seem like she was thrust from the heavens into Middle-Earth. And having small communities with wildly varying skin

    It's akin to comically 'sensitive' idiots who were upset that Kingdom Come: Deliverance (set in a few square miles of Bohemia in 1403) had only white people in it.

    Really?!

    Idiots.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486

    boulay said:

    Mr. Max, DS9 has a lot to like. Damar's arc springs to mind, and the conversation Kira has with him about whether or not to bomb facilities after the Dominion choose to make sure every one has Cardassians present is interesting for the moral quandry it raises.

    Mr. Seal, I hardly ever watch new stuff (although I did get a box set of the first three seasons of The Expanse and liked it a lot. May watch House of the Dragon at some point). A problem can be when something seeks to claim the fanbase of an IP then changes it utterly for a 'modern audience' (Velma could be such an example).

    And sometimes writing quality is just atrocious. Yes, Galadriel taking a pyroclastic flow to the face and being just fine. I'm looking at you.

    The trouble is writers can't resist the Wokery.

    And, when they do, people just turn off.
    I stumbled across a series called “the boys” (I usually don’t like superhero things) and have never watched anything so non-correct. Attacks certain political positions but not from a pearl clutching standpoint and with dark humour.

    The best thing is that I have never heard the banned “C” word used so much outside of mumsnet.
    The Boys is fantastic. Karl Urban proving once again what a great actor he is. Also worth watching Preacher which was also written by Garth Ennis. Made by the same team and has the same black humour.

    Unless you are religious. If you are religious you probably won't enjoy it.
    Karl Urban is hilarious even though the accent is a bit Dick Van Dyck sometimes - it’s like he’s watched all the Guy Ritchie films and created a character out of all the most ludicrous cockney hard man tropes.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,787
    Mr. kle4, oh, yeah. That was something special. Especially as KCD's big thing (and they did this very well) was being incredibly accurate historically. The clothes, speech (tons of God references that are initially a little jarring), buildings, customs. It's very immersive.

    So the idea that game of any would pander to PC bullshit by having a random sub-Saharan African in a particular few square miles of Bohemia in 1403 is just... crackers.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,413

    Mr. Royale, sometimes, that's true. The thing is, competence affects this too.

    A smarter writing group could've had a checklist of skin colours in Rings of Power by setting it in Harad. But because they're ignorant they have tokenistic efforts. Let's say, for argument's sake, there are black dwarves. You don't get just one. That's not how genetics work. So you need either more present on screen, or emphasise that the marriage was political initially (uniting a white dwarf clan and black dwarf clan in alliance) but they've grown to love one another. It just needs a sentence. But having Disa as a solo black dwarf makes it seem like she was thrust from the heavens into Middle-Earth. And having small communities with wildly varying skin tones in a fantastical but roughly medieval setting betrays an incredible level of demographic and historical ignorance. A more cosmopolitian approach in a huge city can work better to a degree (although you still end up with distinct districts) but in a village?

    It's akin to comically 'sensitive' idiots who were upset that Kingdom Come: Deliverance (set in a few square miles of Bohemia in 1403) had only white people in it.

    The thing is they should start with writing an amazing story, and then challenge themselves if they've cast the casting net as fairly and as broadly as possible in finding the right actors to perform it. But otherwise let the chips fall where they will.

    That's the right way to do it.

    Instead they think: "Right, Diversity. How do we check all the boxes, in the right proportions, and show we have the right values here?" And, thus, put identity politics at the centre of everything they do, with the story coming a poor second, if at all.

    They then create patronising hectoring shite, acted by non-entities saying and doing fuck all of interest, except Wokey lectures, which no-one watches.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,424

    DougSeal said:

    kle4 said:

    DougSeal said:

    ohnotnow said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Convinced my wife a few months ago to watch DS9, she's not hugely into sci-fi but I sold it as a character drama more than anything else. She's really enjoying it, we got to Far Beyond the Stars (captain Sisko transports back to 1950s segregated America in a vision) this morning after putting Jen down for her nap. She was actually amazed at how good it is and how relevant it is today.

    What I think has impressed her most over the whole run is how well having a black captain was done. The reason she agreed was because she watched Discovery originally and found it merely ok so I suggested we go back to peak ST which for me is DS9. Coming back to this morning's episode she thinks if it was released today it would get lauded as one of the best TV episodes made. Have to say I agree, it really is brilliant.

    DS9 is amazing.

    Also enjoying the new Picard. Why it took them until Season 3 to deliver what everyone wanted I don't know.
    Haven't started Picard season 3, the first two were so awful so I'm waiting until it's all out to watch it.

    On the latter it's because modern TV writers have planet sized egos. They can't admit they got it wrong, season 3 has got a new writing team after Paramount sacked the original team after season 2 flopped. The Witcher suffers from this issue and Amazon will need to get a new writing team for Rings of Power as well. The Witcher writers managed to push Henry Cavill out and with him I think the audience goes too so Netflix will have to choose after season 4 flops whether to cancel it or sack the writers and bring back Henry Cavill with a team that will actually respect the source material. Same as Rings of Power.

    If you look at the most successful recent shows they are House of the Dragon and The Last of Us, both of them respect the brilliant source material and bring it all to life. In games Hogwarts Legacy has been a huge success and that's because it is a love letter to the Harry Potter universe and really respects everything JK Rowling wrote.
    I didn't even make it to the end of S1 of Picard. Though I did enjoy the 'Strange New Worlds'. Closest thing to 'real Star Trek' they've put out in a long while.
    It is worrying that there’s so much time and effort put into keeping very old franchises alive rather than trying to create new ones.
    Eh, a bit. Even more than normal nostalgia reboots and revivals are very high right now. But there's nothing wrong in itself in redoing older stuff. Thats how they become part of our culture.

    Why keep keeping Shakespeare alive?
    Fair point. But they’re not writing new Shakespeare. “Macbeth 2: The Quickening” anyone?
    Hamlet 2: Still Can't Decide.
    King Lear: The Next Generation
    The Merry Wives of Surbiton.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486

    DougSeal said:

    kle4 said:

    DougSeal said:

    ohnotnow said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Convinced my wife a few months ago to watch DS9, she's not hugely into sci-fi but I sold it as a character drama more than anything else. She's really enjoying it, we got to Far Beyond the Stars (captain Sisko transports back to 1950s segregated America in a vision) this morning after putting Jen down for her nap. She was actually amazed at how good it is and how relevant it is today.

    What I think has impressed her most over the whole run is how well having a black captain was done. The reason she agreed was because she watched Discovery originally and found it merely ok so I suggested we go back to peak ST which for me is DS9. Coming back to this morning's episode she thinks if it was released today it would get lauded as one of the best TV episodes made. Have to say I agree, it really is brilliant.

    DS9 is amazing.

    Also enjoying the new Picard. Why it took them until Season 3 to deliver what everyone wanted I don't know.
    Haven't started Picard season 3, the first two were so awful so I'm waiting until it's all out to watch it.

    On the latter it's because modern TV writers have planet sized egos. They can't admit they got it wrong, season 3 has got a new writing team after Paramount sacked the original team after season 2 flopped. The Witcher suffers from this issue and Amazon will need to get a new writing team for Rings of Power as well. The Witcher writers managed to push Henry Cavill out and with him I think the audience goes too so Netflix will have to choose after season 4 flops whether to cancel it or sack the writers and bring back Henry Cavill with a team that will actually respect the source material. Same as Rings of Power.

    If you look at the most successful recent shows they are House of the Dragon and The Last of Us, both of them respect the brilliant source material and bring it all to life. In games Hogwarts Legacy has been a huge success and that's because it is a love letter to the Harry Potter universe and really respects everything JK Rowling wrote.
    I didn't even make it to the end of S1 of Picard. Though I did enjoy the 'Strange New Worlds'. Closest thing to 'real Star Trek' they've put out in a long while.
    It is worrying that there’s so much time and effort put into keeping very old franchises alive rather than trying to create new ones.
    Eh, a bit. Even more than normal nostalgia reboots and revivals are very high right now. But there's nothing wrong in itself in redoing older stuff. Thats how they become part of our culture.

    Why keep keeping Shakespeare alive?
    Fair point. But they’re not writing new Shakespeare. “Macbeth 2: The Quickening” anyone?
    Hamlet 2: Still Can't Decide.
    King Lear: The Next Generation
    A Spring’s Tale.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,521

    Mr. Royale, sometimes, that's true. The thing is, competence affects this too.

    A smarter writing group could've had a checklist of skin colours in Rings of Power by setting it in Harad. But because they're ignorant they have tokenistic efforts. Let's say, for argument's sake, there are black dwarves. You don't get just one. That's not how genetics work. So you need either more present on screen, or emphasise that the marriage was political initially (uniting a white dwarf clan and black dwarf clan in alliance) but they've grown to love one another. It just needs a sentence. But having Disa as a solo black dwarf makes it seem like she was thrust from the heavens into Middle-Earth. And having small communities with wildly varying skin tones in a fantastical but roughly medieval setting betrays an incredible level of demographic and historical ignorance. A more cosmopolitian approach in a huge city can work better to a degree (although you still end up with distinct districts) but in a village?

    It's akin to comically 'sensitive' idiots who were upset that Kingdom Come: Deliverance (set in a few square miles of Bohemia in 1403) had only white people in it.

    Well the main mistake they made with the Harfoots was having any of them as Northern European white at all. Given that Tolkien himself says they were much darker of skin than their descendent Hobbits.

    And given you probably don't see more than half a dozen dwarves in the whole thing I am not sure you can make any statements about ethnic distribution yet.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802

    Mr. Royale, sometimes, that's true. The thing is, competence affects this too.

    A smarter writing group could've had a checklist of skin colours in Rings of Power by setting it in Harad. But because they're ignorant they have tokenistic efforts. Let's say, for argument's sake, there are black dwarves. You don't get just one. That's not how genetics work. So you need either more present on screen, or emphasise that the marriage was political initially (uniting a white dwarf clan and black dwarf clan in alliance) but they've grown to love one another. It just needs a sentence. But having Disa as a solo black dwarf makes it seem like she was thrust from the heavens into Middle-Earth. And having small communities with wildly varying skin tones in a fantastical but roughly medieval setting betrays an incredible level of demographic and historical ignorance. A more cosmopolitian approach in a huge city can work better to a degree (although you still end up with distinct districts) but in a village?

    It's akin to comically 'sensitive' idiots who were upset that Kingdom Come: Deliverance (set in a few square miles of Bohemia in 1403) had only white people in it.

    The thing is they should start with writing an amazing story, and then challenge themselves if they've cast the casting net as fairly and as broadly as possible in finding the right actors to perform it. But otherwise let the chips fall where they will.

    That's the right way to do it.

    Instead they think: "Right, Diversity. How do we check all the boxes, in the right proportions, and show we have the right values here?" And, thus, put identity politics at the centre of everything they do, with the story coming a poor second, if at all.

    They then create patronising hectoring shite, acted by non-entities saying and doing fuck all of interest, except Wokey lectures, which no-one watches.
    Yes, and this is what my wife pointed out about DS9, it's got a black captain and woman as first officer. They didn't start from there and then write a narrative around it, they wrote a narrative and then fit those characters into it.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826
    On a serious point I presume it is okay for Russians to come on this site and give us their opinions? Is it just bot farms that are blacklisted?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    boulay said:

    DougSeal said:

    kle4 said:

    DougSeal said:

    ohnotnow said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Convinced my wife a few months ago to watch DS9, she's not hugely into sci-fi but I sold it as a character drama more than anything else. She's really enjoying it, we got to Far Beyond the Stars (captain Sisko transports back to 1950s segregated America in a vision) this morning after putting Jen down for her nap. She was actually amazed at how good it is and how relevant it is today.

    What I think has impressed her most over the whole run is how well having a black captain was done. The reason she agreed was because she watched Discovery originally and found it merely ok so I suggested we go back to peak ST which for me is DS9. Coming back to this morning's episode she thinks if it was released today it would get lauded as one of the best TV episodes made. Have to say I agree, it really is brilliant.

    DS9 is amazing.

    Also enjoying the new Picard. Why it took them until Season 3 to deliver what everyone wanted I don't know.
    Haven't started Picard season 3, the first two were so awful so I'm waiting until it's all out to watch it.

    On the latter it's because modern TV writers have planet sized egos. They can't admit they got it wrong, season 3 has got a new writing team after Paramount sacked the original team after season 2 flopped. The Witcher suffers from this issue and Amazon will need to get a new writing team for Rings of Power as well. The Witcher writers managed to push Henry Cavill out and with him I think the audience goes too so Netflix will have to choose after season 4 flops whether to cancel it or sack the writers and bring back Henry Cavill with a team that will actually respect the source material. Same as Rings of Power.

    If you look at the most successful recent shows they are House of the Dragon and The Last of Us, both of them respect the brilliant source material and bring it all to life. In games Hogwarts Legacy has been a huge success and that's because it is a love letter to the Harry Potter universe and really respects everything JK Rowling wrote.
    I didn't even make it to the end of S1 of Picard. Though I did enjoy the 'Strange New Worlds'. Closest thing to 'real Star Trek' they've put out in a long while.
    It is worrying that there’s so much time and effort put into keeping very old franchises alive rather than trying to create new ones.
    Eh, a bit. Even more than normal nostalgia reboots and revivals are very high right now. But there's nothing wrong in itself in redoing older stuff. Thats how they become part of our culture.

    Why keep keeping Shakespeare alive?
    Fair point. But they’re not writing new Shakespeare. “Macbeth 2: The Quickening” anyone?
    Hamlet 2: Still Can't Decide.
    King Lear: The Next Generation
    A Spring’s Tale.
    Richard the Fourth
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802

    On a serious point I presume it is okay for Russians to come on this site and give us their opinions? Is it just bot farms that are blacklisted?

    I don't think in the second world war we would have allowed Germans to come and speak in favour of Nazis and exterminating Jews and minorities. This is no different.
  • Carnyx said:

    I hate squatters.

    Prince Andrew demands mansion 'fit for a king' and disgraced royal wants 'top role'

    Duke of York is refusing to leave the palatial 30-bedroom Windsor home after King Charles informed him of planned budget cuts to the royal finances….

    … Andrew, 63, has even offered to run some of the most prestigious estates in the Royal Family’s portfolio, including the late Queen’s beloved Balmoral Castle in Aberdeenshire.

    Sources have revealed how the Duke pleaded with the King for a “top role”, believing the responsibility and prestige with running the properties would offer him a way back into the fold.


    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-andrew-demands-mansion-fit-29369297.amp

    I didn't know the D of Y was an experienced rural estate manager. Change of career at the age of 63? Not impossible, but ...
    I'd say give him a try at the estate management job, but still make him move to Frogmore Cottage. He's not exactly asking to be Emperor of the known universe is he? It's important for him to have some sort of occupation to keep him busy.
    When I was at Uni, the Land Management students were the cream - rich and thick.
    IIRC Land management was the subject people studied who were otherwise heavily involved in sport
    Yes, they included a fair few "rugger b*ggers".
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,679

    Animal-free does not equal animal-cruelty free.

    Why is Charles helping these vegan fucknut memes become common currency?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64836101

    Is not killing whales now regarded as terribly woke?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    I think in hindsight we should have locked the over 60s and very vulnerable indoors but everyone else should have been free. I naively assumed we’d get some kind of gratitude or sympathy for what we did but no we just get fucked over again and again. Sick of it.

    I think you let your anger colour a rational appreciation of reality. Many, many people under 60 died, and many more would have if we had simply locked up the over 60s. Besides, you’d never pass such a law. What next? Only under 30s to wear tight jeans?
    At the time you were one of the most strident in calling for lockdowns. Endless posts of ‘lockdown now’. It was never just about protecting the elderly. Prior to vaccination covid could take people of any age, albeit skewed to the older population, just like flu. The lockdowns were to prevent stress on the healthcare system so that deaths from other causes didn’t happen. You think the ambulance waits were bad recently? Wonder what would have happened if we had not locked down in March 2020.

    There is one awful counterfactual out there. A do nothing approach, have a huge wave, infect most and then recover. No idea how many would have died but plausibly over a million when secondary death is included due to the lack of healthcare. But we would have been through it quicker. It’s just that few societies would accept that risk.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    On a serious point I presume it is okay for Russians to come on this site and give us their opinions? Is it just bot farms that are blacklisted?

    No. And those that try shall be hunted down and beaten with sticks. Along with any posters from Shropshire who are clearly nothing but shills for the corrupt murderous Salop regime.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,521
    DougSeal said:

    boulay said:

    DougSeal said:

    kle4 said:

    DougSeal said:

    ohnotnow said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Convinced my wife a few months ago to watch DS9, she's not hugely into sci-fi but I sold it as a character drama more than anything else. She's really enjoying it, we got to Far Beyond the Stars (captain Sisko transports back to 1950s segregated America in a vision) this morning after putting Jen down for her nap. She was actually amazed at how good it is and how relevant it is today.

    What I think has impressed her most over the whole run is how well having a black captain was done. The reason she agreed was because she watched Discovery originally and found it merely ok so I suggested we go back to peak ST which for me is DS9. Coming back to this morning's episode she thinks if it was released today it would get lauded as one of the best TV episodes made. Have to say I agree, it really is brilliant.

    DS9 is amazing.

    Also enjoying the new Picard. Why it took them until Season 3 to deliver what everyone wanted I don't know.
    Haven't started Picard season 3, the first two were so awful so I'm waiting until it's all out to watch it.

    On the latter it's because modern TV writers have planet sized egos. They can't admit they got it wrong, season 3 has got a new writing team after Paramount sacked the original team after season 2 flopped. The Witcher suffers from this issue and Amazon will need to get a new writing team for Rings of Power as well. The Witcher writers managed to push Henry Cavill out and with him I think the audience goes too so Netflix will have to choose after season 4 flops whether to cancel it or sack the writers and bring back Henry Cavill with a team that will actually respect the source material. Same as Rings of Power.

    If you look at the most successful recent shows they are House of the Dragon and The Last of Us, both of them respect the brilliant source material and bring it all to life. In games Hogwarts Legacy has been a huge success and that's because it is a love letter to the Harry Potter universe and really respects everything JK Rowling wrote.
    I didn't even make it to the end of S1 of Picard. Though I did enjoy the 'Strange New Worlds'. Closest thing to 'real Star Trek' they've put out in a long while.
    It is worrying that there’s so much time and effort put into keeping very old franchises alive rather than trying to create new ones.
    Eh, a bit. Even more than normal nostalgia reboots and revivals are very high right now. But there's nothing wrong in itself in redoing older stuff. Thats how they become part of our culture.

    Why keep keeping Shakespeare alive?
    Fair point. But they’re not writing new Shakespeare. “Macbeth 2: The Quickening” anyone?
    Hamlet 2: Still Can't Decide.
    King Lear: The Next Generation
    A Spring’s Tale.
    Richard the Fourth
    I think Blackadder did that one :)
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,348

    Mr. Royale, sometimes, that's true. The thing is, competence affects this too.

    A smarter writing group could've had a checklist of skin colours in Rings of Power by setting it in Harad. But because they're ignorant they have tokenistic efforts. Let's say, for argument's sake, there are black dwarves. You don't get just one. That's not how genetics work. So you need either more present on screen, or emphasise that the marriage was political initially (uniting a white dwarf clan and black dwarf clan in alliance) but they've grown to love one another. It just needs a sentence. But having Disa as a solo black dwarf makes it seem like she was thrust from the heavens into Middle-Earth. And having small communities with wildly varying skin tones in a fantastical but roughly medieval setting betrays an incredible level of demographic and historical ignorance. A more cosmopolitian approach in a huge city can work better to a degree (although you still end up with distinct districts) but in a village?

    It's akin to comically 'sensitive' idiots who were upset that Kingdom Come: Deliverance (set in a few square miles of Bohemia in 1403) had only white people in it.

    I don’t know why ROP was even made, given the very limited rights they had to use I/P.

    As a general observation, save for a few very good shows, there’s a reluctance to portray sympathetic characters as being flawed, or indeed, just playing by the rules of the world that they live in.

    In a pseudo-medieval world, no one is going to be a democrat, or have qualms about executing hostages, or treat religion lightly, or to refrain from
    sacking a city whose commander rejects quarter, or to put traitors to death (often very brutally). If Shakespeare could understand this, so should modern writers.

  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    DougSeal said:

    boulay said:

    DougSeal said:

    kle4 said:

    DougSeal said:

    ohnotnow said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Convinced my wife a few months ago to watch DS9, she's not hugely into sci-fi but I sold it as a character drama more than anything else. She's really enjoying it, we got to Far Beyond the Stars (captain Sisko transports back to 1950s segregated America in a vision) this morning after putting Jen down for her nap. She was actually amazed at how good it is and how relevant it is today.

    What I think has impressed her most over the whole run is how well having a black captain was done. The reason she agreed was because she watched Discovery originally and found it merely ok so I suggested we go back to peak ST which for me is DS9. Coming back to this morning's episode she thinks if it was released today it would get lauded as one of the best TV episodes made. Have to say I agree, it really is brilliant.

    DS9 is amazing.

    Also enjoying the new Picard. Why it took them until Season 3 to deliver what everyone wanted I don't know.
    Haven't started Picard season 3, the first two were so awful so I'm waiting until it's all out to watch it.

    On the latter it's because modern TV writers have planet sized egos. They can't admit they got it wrong, season 3 has got a new writing team after Paramount sacked the original team after season 2 flopped. The Witcher suffers from this issue and Amazon will need to get a new writing team for Rings of Power as well. The Witcher writers managed to push Henry Cavill out and with him I think the audience goes too so Netflix will have to choose after season 4 flops whether to cancel it or sack the writers and bring back Henry Cavill with a team that will actually respect the source material. Same as Rings of Power.

    If you look at the most successful recent shows they are House of the Dragon and The Last of Us, both of them respect the brilliant source material and bring it all to life. In games Hogwarts Legacy has been a huge success and that's because it is a love letter to the Harry Potter universe and really respects everything JK Rowling wrote.
    I didn't even make it to the end of S1 of Picard. Though I did enjoy the 'Strange New Worlds'. Closest thing to 'real Star Trek' they've put out in a long while.
    It is worrying that there’s so much time and effort put into keeping very old franchises alive rather than trying to create new ones.
    Eh, a bit. Even more than normal nostalgia reboots and revivals are very high right now. But there's nothing wrong in itself in redoing older stuff. Thats how they become part of our culture.

    Why keep keeping Shakespeare alive?
    Fair point. But they’re not writing new Shakespeare. “Macbeth 2: The Quickening” anyone?
    Hamlet 2: Still Can't Decide.
    King Lear: The Next Generation
    A Spring’s Tale.
    Richard the Fourth
    I think Blackadder did that one :)
    I only plagiarise the best.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Have to say Rishi seems to be coming out well from all of the WhatsApp leaks. Vindicated by his early anti lockdown stance and opposing the clearly power crazed Hancock and other DoH wankers who ruined everyone's lives.

    Agree. Boris too. Hancock the worst, but that seems to be the point.
    Boris doesn't at all, he is way too easily convinced by Hancock and the lockdown loving scientists. If he'd backed Rishi and stood up to the scientists and Hancock we'd have avoided lockdowns 2 and 3.
    All lockdowns were a waste of time when the elderly are so ungrateful and continue to fuck us over.
    Indeed, my support for lockdowns ended in May 2020, everything after that was unnecessary, we shouldn't have spent any additional money on it, businesses should have stayed fully open and people should have been free to do as they pleased.

    The scientists and Hancock conspired to put the country into a neverending lockdown based on bullshit data and the fool PM fell for it because he can't do maths or interrogate data.
    No, it was only after vaccination that lockdowns should have stopped.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,779
    DougSeal said:

    boulay said:

    DougSeal said:

    kle4 said:

    DougSeal said:

    ohnotnow said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Convinced my wife a few months ago to watch DS9, she's not hugely into sci-fi but I sold it as a character drama more than anything else. She's really enjoying it, we got to Far Beyond the Stars (captain Sisko transports back to 1950s segregated America in a vision) this morning after putting Jen down for her nap. She was actually amazed at how good it is and how relevant it is today.

    What I think has impressed her most over the whole run is how well having a black captain was done. The reason she agreed was because she watched Discovery originally and found it merely ok so I suggested we go back to peak ST which for me is DS9. Coming back to this morning's episode she thinks if it was released today it would get lauded as one of the best TV episodes made. Have to say I agree, it really is brilliant.

    DS9 is amazing.

    Also enjoying the new Picard. Why it took them until Season 3 to deliver what everyone wanted I don't know.
    Haven't started Picard season 3, the first two were so awful so I'm waiting until it's all out to watch it.

    On the latter it's because modern TV writers have planet sized egos. They can't admit they got it wrong, season 3 has got a new writing team after Paramount sacked the original team after season 2 flopped. The Witcher suffers from this issue and Amazon will need to get a new writing team for Rings of Power as well. The Witcher writers managed to push Henry Cavill out and with him I think the audience goes too so Netflix will have to choose after season 4 flops whether to cancel it or sack the writers and bring back Henry Cavill with a team that will actually respect the source material. Same as Rings of Power.

    If you look at the most successful recent shows they are House of the Dragon and The Last of Us, both of them respect the brilliant source material and bring it all to life. In games Hogwarts Legacy has been a huge success and that's because it is a love letter to the Harry Potter universe and really respects everything JK Rowling wrote.
    I didn't even make it to the end of S1 of Picard. Though I did enjoy the 'Strange New Worlds'. Closest thing to 'real Star Trek' they've put out in a long while.
    It is worrying that there’s so much time and effort put into keeping very old franchises alive rather than trying to create new ones.
    Eh, a bit. Even more than normal nostalgia reboots and revivals are very high right now. But there's nothing wrong in itself in redoing older stuff. Thats how they become part of our culture.

    Why keep keeping Shakespeare alive?
    Fair point. But they’re not writing new Shakespeare. “Macbeth 2: The Quickening” anyone?
    Hamlet 2: Still Can't Decide.
    King Lear: The Next Generation
    A Spring’s Tale.
    Richard the Fourth
    Henry IV, Part 2.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    DougSeal said:

    boulay said:

    DougSeal said:

    kle4 said:

    DougSeal said:

    ohnotnow said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Convinced my wife a few months ago to watch DS9, she's not hugely into sci-fi but I sold it as a character drama more than anything else. She's really enjoying it, we got to Far Beyond the Stars (captain Sisko transports back to 1950s segregated America in a vision) this morning after putting Jen down for her nap. She was actually amazed at how good it is and how relevant it is today.

    What I think has impressed her most over the whole run is how well having a black captain was done. The reason she agreed was because she watched Discovery originally and found it merely ok so I suggested we go back to peak ST which for me is DS9. Coming back to this morning's episode she thinks if it was released today it would get lauded as one of the best TV episodes made. Have to say I agree, it really is brilliant.

    DS9 is amazing.

    Also enjoying the new Picard. Why it took them until Season 3 to deliver what everyone wanted I don't know.
    Haven't started Picard season 3, the first two were so awful so I'm waiting until it's all out to watch it.

    On the latter it's because modern TV writers have planet sized egos. They can't admit they got it wrong, season 3 has got a new writing team after Paramount sacked the original team after season 2 flopped. The Witcher suffers from this issue and Amazon will need to get a new writing team for Rings of Power as well. The Witcher writers managed to push Henry Cavill out and with him I think the audience goes too so Netflix will have to choose after season 4 flops whether to cancel it or sack the writers and bring back Henry Cavill with a team that will actually respect the source material. Same as Rings of Power.

    If you look at the most successful recent shows they are House of the Dragon and The Last of Us, both of them respect the brilliant source material and bring it all to life. In games Hogwarts Legacy has been a huge success and that's because it is a love letter to the Harry Potter universe and really respects everything JK Rowling wrote.
    I didn't even make it to the end of S1 of Picard. Though I did enjoy the 'Strange New Worlds'. Closest thing to 'real Star Trek' they've put out in a long while.
    It is worrying that there’s so much time and effort put into keeping very old franchises alive rather than trying to create new ones.
    Eh, a bit. Even more than normal nostalgia reboots and revivals are very high right now. But there's nothing wrong in itself in redoing older stuff. Thats how they become part of our culture.

    Why keep keeping Shakespeare alive?
    Fair point. But they’re not writing new Shakespeare. “Macbeth 2: The Quickening” anyone?
    Hamlet 2: Still Can't Decide.
    King Lear: The Next Generation
    A Spring’s Tale.
    Richard the Fourth
    Henry IV, Part 2.
    Much ado about Something
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Have to say Rishi seems to be coming out well from all of the WhatsApp leaks. Vindicated by his early anti lockdown stance and opposing the clearly power crazed Hancock and other DoH wankers who ruined everyone's lives.

    Agree. Boris too. Hancock the worst, but that seems to be the point.
    Boris doesn't at all, he is way too easily convinced by Hancock and the lockdown loving scientists. If he'd backed Rishi and stood up to the scientists and Hancock we'd have avoided lockdowns 2 and 3.
    All lockdowns were a waste of time when the elderly are so ungrateful and continue to fuck us over.
    Indeed, my support for lockdowns ended in May 2020, everything after that was unnecessary, we shouldn't have spent any additional money on it, businesses should have stayed fully open and people should have been free to do as they pleased.

    The scientists and Hancock conspired to put the country into a neverending lockdown based on bullshit data and the fool PM fell for it because he can't do maths or interrogate data.
    No, it was only after vaccination that lockdowns should have stopped.
    Nope, we should have got the economy moving ASAP as we understood the primary risk was to over 80s.
  • Garak.

    That is all.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,779
    boulay said:

    DougSeal said:

    kle4 said:

    DougSeal said:

    ohnotnow said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Convinced my wife a few months ago to watch DS9, she's not hugely into sci-fi but I sold it as a character drama more than anything else. She's really enjoying it, we got to Far Beyond the Stars (captain Sisko transports back to 1950s segregated America in a vision) this morning after putting Jen down for her nap. She was actually amazed at how good it is and how relevant it is today.

    What I think has impressed her most over the whole run is how well having a black captain was done. The reason she agreed was because she watched Discovery originally and found it merely ok so I suggested we go back to peak ST which for me is DS9. Coming back to this morning's episode she thinks if it was released today it would get lauded as one of the best TV episodes made. Have to say I agree, it really is brilliant.

    DS9 is amazing.

    Also enjoying the new Picard. Why it took them until Season 3 to deliver what everyone wanted I don't know.
    Haven't started Picard season 3, the first two were so awful so I'm waiting until it's all out to watch it.

    On the latter it's because modern TV writers have planet sized egos. They can't admit they got it wrong, season 3 has got a new writing team after Paramount sacked the original team after season 2 flopped. The Witcher suffers from this issue and Amazon will need to get a new writing team for Rings of Power as well. The Witcher writers managed to push Henry Cavill out and with him I think the audience goes too so Netflix will have to choose after season 4 flops whether to cancel it or sack the writers and bring back Henry Cavill with a team that will actually respect the source material. Same as Rings of Power.

    If you look at the most successful recent shows they are House of the Dragon and The Last of Us, both of them respect the brilliant source material and bring it all to life. In games Hogwarts Legacy has been a huge success and that's because it is a love letter to the Harry Potter universe and really respects everything JK Rowling wrote.
    I didn't even make it to the end of S1 of Picard. Though I did enjoy the 'Strange New Worlds'. Closest thing to 'real Star Trek' they've put out in a long while.
    It is worrying that there’s so much time and effort put into keeping very old franchises alive rather than trying to create new ones.
    Eh, a bit. Even more than normal nostalgia reboots and revivals are very high right now. But there's nothing wrong in itself in redoing older stuff. Thats how they become part of our culture.

    Why keep keeping Shakespeare alive?
    Fair point. But they’re not writing new Shakespeare. “Macbeth 2: The Quickening” anyone?
    Hamlet 2: Still Can't Decide.
    King Lear: The Next Generation
    A Spring’s Tale.
    The Merry Second Wives of Windsor.
  • MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Have to say Rishi seems to be coming out well from all of the WhatsApp leaks. Vindicated by his early anti lockdown stance and opposing the clearly power crazed Hancock and other DoH wankers who ruined everyone's lives.

    Agree. Boris too. Hancock the worst, but that seems to be the point.
    Boris doesn't at all, he is way too easily convinced by Hancock and the lockdown loving scientists. If he'd backed Rishi and stood up to the scientists and Hancock we'd have avoided lockdowns 2 and 3.
    All lockdowns were a waste of time when the elderly are so ungrateful and continue to fuck us over.
    I’m not! And I’m not!
    Nor am I OKC

    My wife and I have had 5 vaccines and also covid and we consider ourselves very fortunate and grateful

    I really do not understand this hatred towards the elderly who in many cases are mmuch-loved parents and grandparents and have contributed to the country over their lifetime in so many ways
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    boulay said:

    DougSeal said:

    kle4 said:

    DougSeal said:

    ohnotnow said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Convinced my wife a few months ago to watch DS9, she's not hugely into sci-fi but I sold it as a character drama more than anything else. She's really enjoying it, we got to Far Beyond the Stars (captain Sisko transports back to 1950s segregated America in a vision) this morning after putting Jen down for her nap. She was actually amazed at how good it is and how relevant it is today.

    What I think has impressed her most over the whole run is how well having a black captain was done. The reason she agreed was because she watched Discovery originally and found it merely ok so I suggested we go back to peak ST which for me is DS9. Coming back to this morning's episode she thinks if it was released today it would get lauded as one of the best TV episodes made. Have to say I agree, it really is brilliant.

    DS9 is amazing.

    Also enjoying the new Picard. Why it took them until Season 3 to deliver what everyone wanted I don't know.
    Haven't started Picard season 3, the first two were so awful so I'm waiting until it's all out to watch it.

    On the latter it's because modern TV writers have planet sized egos. They can't admit they got it wrong, season 3 has got a new writing team after Paramount sacked the original team after season 2 flopped. The Witcher suffers from this issue and Amazon will need to get a new writing team for Rings of Power as well. The Witcher writers managed to push Henry Cavill out and with him I think the audience goes too so Netflix will have to choose after season 4 flops whether to cancel it or sack the writers and bring back Henry Cavill with a team that will actually respect the source material. Same as Rings of Power.

    If you look at the most successful recent shows they are House of the Dragon and The Last of Us, both of them respect the brilliant source material and bring it all to life. In games Hogwarts Legacy has been a huge success and that's because it is a love letter to the Harry Potter universe and really respects everything JK Rowling wrote.
    I didn't even make it to the end of S1 of Picard. Though I did enjoy the 'Strange New Worlds'. Closest thing to 'real Star Trek' they've put out in a long while.
    It is worrying that there’s so much time and effort put into keeping very old franchises alive rather than trying to create new ones.
    Eh, a bit. Even more than normal nostalgia reboots and revivals are very high right now. But there's nothing wrong in itself in redoing older stuff. Thats how they become part of our culture.

    Why keep keeping Shakespeare alive?
    Fair point. But they’re not writing new Shakespeare. “Macbeth 2: The Quickening” anyone?
    Hamlet 2: Still Can't Decide.
    King Lear: The Next Generation
    A Spring’s Tale.
    Richard the Fourth
    Henry IV, Part 2.
    Much ado about Something
    Thirteenth Night.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,787
    Mr. Tyndall, my understanding was that harfoots are just one of the three groups of hobbits. They're not a separate thing or forerunner race/species. Using them that way, I believe, was just an invention of the writers because they thought an audience needed nods to the films/books (hence Not-Legolas being in, and Gandalf).
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,779
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    boulay said:

    DougSeal said:

    kle4 said:

    DougSeal said:

    ohnotnow said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Convinced my wife a few months ago to watch DS9, she's not hugely into sci-fi but I sold it as a character drama more than anything else. She's really enjoying it, we got to Far Beyond the Stars (captain Sisko transports back to 1950s segregated America in a vision) this morning after putting Jen down for her nap. She was actually amazed at how good it is and how relevant it is today.

    What I think has impressed her most over the whole run is how well having a black captain was done. The reason she agreed was because she watched Discovery originally and found it merely ok so I suggested we go back to peak ST which for me is DS9. Coming back to this morning's episode she thinks if it was released today it would get lauded as one of the best TV episodes made. Have to say I agree, it really is brilliant.

    DS9 is amazing.

    Also enjoying the new Picard. Why it took them until Season 3 to deliver what everyone wanted I don't know.
    Haven't started Picard season 3, the first two were so awful so I'm waiting until it's all out to watch it.

    On the latter it's because modern TV writers have planet sized egos. They can't admit they got it wrong, season 3 has got a new writing team after Paramount sacked the original team after season 2 flopped. The Witcher suffers from this issue and Amazon will need to get a new writing team for Rings of Power as well. The Witcher writers managed to push Henry Cavill out and with him I think the audience goes too so Netflix will have to choose after season 4 flops whether to cancel it or sack the writers and bring back Henry Cavill with a team that will actually respect the source material. Same as Rings of Power.

    If you look at the most successful recent shows they are House of the Dragon and The Last of Us, both of them respect the brilliant source material and bring it all to life. In games Hogwarts Legacy has been a huge success and that's because it is a love letter to the Harry Potter universe and really respects everything JK Rowling wrote.
    I didn't even make it to the end of S1 of Picard. Though I did enjoy the 'Strange New Worlds'. Closest thing to 'real Star Trek' they've put out in a long while.
    It is worrying that there’s so much time and effort put into keeping very old franchises alive rather than trying to create new ones.
    Eh, a bit. Even more than normal nostalgia reboots and revivals are very high right now. But there's nothing wrong in itself in redoing older stuff. Thats how they become part of our culture.

    Why keep keeping Shakespeare alive?
    Fair point. But they’re not writing new Shakespeare. “Macbeth 2: The Quickening” anyone?
    Hamlet 2: Still Can't Decide.
    King Lear: The Next Generation
    A Spring’s Tale.
    Richard the Fourth
    Henry IV, Part 2.
    Much ado about Something
    As You Liked It, We're Doing it Again.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,787
    edited March 2023
    F1: Halfway through practice, Alonso currently fastest but the hard tyre time of Red Bull implies it's going to be top dog by quite some margin.

    Edited extra bit: and I need to be off. Have a nice day, everyone.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,521

    I think in hindsight we should have locked the over 60s and very vulnerable indoors but everyone else should have been free. I naively assumed we’d get some kind of gratitude or sympathy for what we did but no we just get fucked over again and again. Sick of it.

    I think you let your anger colour a rational appreciation of reality. Many, many people under 60 died, and many more would have if we had simply locked up the over 60s. Besides, you’d never pass such a law. What next? Only under 30s to wear tight jeans?
    At the time you were one of the most strident in calling for lockdowns. Endless posts of ‘lockdown now’. It was never just about protecting the elderly. Prior to vaccination covid could take people of any age, albeit skewed to the older population, just like flu. The lockdowns were to prevent stress on the healthcare system so that deaths from other causes didn’t happen. You think the ambulance waits were bad recently? Wonder what would have happened if we had not locked down in March 2020.

    There is one awful counterfactual out there. A do nothing approach, have a huge wave, infect most and then recover. No idea how many would have died but plausibly over a million when secondary death is included due to the lack of healthcare. But we would have been through it quicker. It’s just that few societies would accept that risk.
    I think the anti-lockdown crowd also forget that the vast majority of people were already locking themselves down in advance of the official rules. Shops were closing, pubs and cafes were empty. This matters because the economy was grinding to a halt but without it being official the systems to provide support to our economy, to all the businesses that were going to go bust, would have been a lot more difficult if not impossible.

    So the end result would have been more people dying but less support for people to survive. Far more people would have been forced to put themselves in danger for purely economic reasons and the country would have come out of it in a far worse place.
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