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  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    WillG said:

    Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?

    As Team America put it - “Fuck Yeah”

    Have you ever tried pulled venison - slow cooked/smoked like pulled pork?
    I’ve only tried it twice.

    Hard to source Halal venison.
    This is a genuine question and I mean it with no disrespect - I just really want to understand the thinking. Am I right in saying that you drink alcohol and married a Christian? Is there a rationale for doing these things but eating halal?

    It's so that, when his mother asks "are you a good Muslim?", he can reply in all honesty "of course mother, I only eat halal"

    (I have an atheist Muslim friend who won't eat pork for this reason)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,787
    Mr. Abode, aye. Historically, the team that is now Aston Martin developed very well on a shoestring budget, although recently this seems less the case.

    Ferrari tend to go backwards on relative pace.

    And yeah, the McLaren is a big step backwards.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/mar/04/evidence-reveals-gladiators-fought-in-roman-britain

    O/T but interesting report if - I now realise - one hopes it is inappropriate for this afternoon on PB. Title is a bit overwrought in the usual academic seeking twatter scores to keep HM Government happy, given how many amphitheatres there are in Britannia. But the point is it's *documentary* evidence of an actual fight.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,243

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    I studied Environmental Science for some time. Venison is one of the best meats we could eat in the UK, nothing woke about it.
    It's Woke. You're a child

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    It's the sort of meat Greens and Lefties offer as an "alternative" to their veganism, and isn't very popular.

    Trust me, it's Woke.
    This sounds quite deranged to be honest.
    I used to like vension.

    It's been destroyed by the brand. Idiotic fellow travellers, like you.
    It's food.

    It's taste hasn't changed. It's calorie count hasn't changed. It's texture and the way it's cooked hasn't changed.

    Food doesn't have opinions.

    To quote MJ Hibbett in The Lesson of the Smiths:

    "Just because a bunch of wankers like it, doesn't mean that it's shit"
    The people that select the food you are able to purchase have opinions, that's the problem. And the taste absolutely does change if your choice is restricted.

    And food is so much more than raw calories.

    So much more.
    The MJ Hibbett quote is appropriate. Morrissey is a dick. He produced an album called Meat is Murder, which puts him pretty high on the wanker scale.

    But you know what? He made some good music.

    Just because a bunch of woke people promote venison doesn't lessen it as a food.
    It's restricted the choice at one of my favourite pubs. And I am royally pissed off.

    That's what I object to.

    If someone tries and tells me what to do I am liable to do the exact opposite, and then turn it up to eleven to spite them and teach them a lesson.
    It's not the venison you object to, it's the restriction of other choices.

    Which is perfectly reasonable. But that doesn't make venison in any way wrong or woke.
    I can see where Casino is coming from. He's rebelling against the woke showing him to eat venison but forbidding him from eating beef, pork, etc.

    I'm on a restricted diet for the next few days before a colonoscopy, and I'm starting to resent all the foods I'm allowed to eat.
    What I don’t understand is that @casinoroyale is a capitalist and the pub is privately owned.

    They’ve made a business decision on how to maximise their returns. He may not like it - and can take his business elsewhere. But why does he want a private enterprise to be forced to serve his segment of the market if it’s not in their perceived best interests?
    That's true in a textbook kind of way, but Casino was talking about one of his favourite pubs changing. A favourite pub, restaurant or cafe becomes more than just a business with which you conduct economic transactions. An emotional connection is created. The staff get to know you, what you like. You have a relationship.

    Now, it's like he's been dumped by his favourite pub. Personally rejected.
    Emotional connections can be dangerous
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    edited March 2023

    Betting Post 🐎

    Kelso 1:50 Collingham
    Newbury 2:10 Dargiannini
    Kelso 2:25 The Wounded Knee
    Doncaster 3:15 Moroder

    Collingham unseated rider
    Dargiannini won 2/1
    The Wounded Knee pulled up
    Moroder won 18/1

    Well done. Maybe swerve Kelso next year.
    I’ll take the well done, I was on at 5/2 and 30/1.

    Only 10 sleeps to go


  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Have to say Rishi seems to be coming out well from all of the WhatsApp leaks. Vindicated by his early anti lockdown stance and opposing the clearly power crazed Hancock and other DoH wankers who ruined everyone's lives.

    Agree. Boris too. Hancock the worst, but that seems to be the point.
    Boris doesn't at all, he is way too easily convinced by Hancock and the lockdown loving scientists. If he'd backed Rishi and stood up to the scientists and Hancock we'd have avoided lockdowns 2 and 3.
    All lockdowns were a waste of time when the elderly are so ungrateful and continue to fuck us over.
    I’m not! And I’m not!
    Nor am I OKC

    My wife and I have had 5 vaccines and also covid and we consider ourselves very fortunate and grateful

    I really do not understand this hatred towards the elderly who in many cases are mmuch-loved parents and grandparents and have contributed to the country over their lifetime in so many ways
    G it is people of low intellect, they are to be pitied.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    I studied Environmental Science for some time. Venison is one of the best meats we could eat in the UK, nothing woke about it.
    It's Woke. You're a child

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    It's the sort of meat Greens and Lefties offer as an "alternative" to their veganism, and isn't very popular.

    Trust me, it's Woke.
    This sounds quite deranged to be honest.
    I used to like vension.

    It's been destroyed by the brand. Idiotic fellow travellers, like you.
    It's food.

    It's taste hasn't changed. It's calorie count hasn't changed. It's texture and the way it's cooked hasn't changed.

    Food doesn't have opinions.

    To quote MJ Hibbett in The Lesson of the Smiths:

    "Just because a bunch of wankers like it, doesn't mean that it's shit"
    The people that select the food you are able to purchase have opinions, that's the problem. And the taste absolutely does change if your choice is restricted.

    And food is so much more than raw calories.

    So much more.
    The MJ Hibbett quote is appropriate. Morrissey is a dick. He produced an album called Meat is Murder, which puts him pretty high on the wanker scale.

    But you know what? He made some good music.

    Just because a bunch of woke people promote venison doesn't lessen it as a food.
    It's restricted the choice at one of my favourite pubs. And I am royally pissed off.

    That's what I object to.

    If someone tries and tells me what to do I am liable to do the exact opposite, and then turn it up to eleven to spite them and teach them a lesson.
    It's not the venison you object to, it's the restriction of other choices.

    Which is perfectly reasonable. But that doesn't make venison in any way wrong or woke.
    I can see where Casino is coming from. He's rebelling against the woke showing him to eat venison but forbidding him from eating beef, pork, etc.

    I'm on a restricted diet for the next few days before a colonoscopy, and I'm starting to resent all the foods I'm allowed to eat.
    What I don’t understand is that @casinoroyale is a capitalist and the pub is privately owned.

    They’ve made a business decision on how to maximise their returns. He may not like it - and can take his business elsewhere. But why does he want a private enterprise to be forced to serve his segment of the market if it’s not in their perceived best interests?
    That's true in a textbook kind of way, but Casino was talking about one of his favourite pubs changing. A favourite pub, restaurant or cafe becomes more than just a business with which you conduct economic transactions. An emotional connection is created. The staff get to know you, what you like. You have a relationship.

    Now, it's like he's been dumped by his favourite pub. Personally rejected.
    Emotional connections can be dangerous
    I hope you haven't told your wife that!
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,243
    Taz said:

    OllyT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    I studied Environmental Science for some time. Venison is one of the best meats we could eat in the UK, nothing woke about it.
    It's Woke. You're a child

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    It's the sort of meat Greens and Lefties offer as an "alternative" to their veganism, and isn't very popular.

    Trust me, it's Woke.
    This sounds quite deranged to be honest.
    I used to like vension.

    It's been destroyed by the brand. Idiotic fellow travellers, like you.
    It's food.

    It's taste hasn't changed. It's calorie count hasn't changed. It's texture and the way it's cooked hasn't changed.

    Food doesn't have opinions.

    To quote MJ Hibbett in The Lesson of the Smiths:

    "Just because a bunch of wankers like it, doesn't mean that it's shit"
    The people that select the food you are able to purchase have opinions, that's the problem. And the taste absolutely does change if your choice is restricted.

    And food is so much more than raw calories.

    So much more.
    The MJ Hibbett quote is appropriate. Morrissey is a dick. He produced an album called Meat is Murder, which puts him pretty high on the wanker scale.

    But you know what? He made some good music.

    Just because a bunch of woke people promote venison doesn't lessen it as a food.
    It's restricted the choice at one of my favourite pubs. And I am royally pissed off.

    That's what I object to.

    If someone tries and tells me what to do I am liable to do the exact opposite, and then turn it up to eleven to spite them and teach them a lesson.
    It's not the venison you object to, it's the restriction of other choices.

    Which is perfectly reasonable. But that doesn't make venison in any way wrong or woke.
    I can see where Casino is coming from. He's rebelling against the woke showing him to eat venison but forbidding him from eating beef, pork, etc.

    I'm on a restricted diet for the next few days before a colonoscopy, and I'm starting to resent all the foods I'm allowed to eat.
    Businesses make their own decisions. There is no requirement that every pub and restaurant has to cater to CR's taste. I am a pescatarian so patronise restaurants that offer me a reasonable choice and avoid those that don't. It's really not difficult. CR appears to me to be someone that is extremely intolerant of other people's choices and has extremely short fuse to go along with it. Scratch the surface and a not very pleasant individual person lurks beneath as we we have seen this afternoon.
    I still get the pies taken out of me for inviting one of Colorado’s top cattle ranchers to a trendy SF fish restaurant…

    Sinn Fein do fish restaurants now, do they ?
    I wouldn’t go there - you never know who’s been sleeping wit the fishes.

    I meant the altar of woke -San Francisco
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,243
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    I studied Environmental Science for some time. Venison is one of the best meats we could eat in the UK, nothing woke about it.
    It's Woke. You're a child

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    It's the sort of meat Greens and Lefties offer as an "alternative" to their veganism, and isn't very popular.

    Trust me, it's Woke.
    This sounds quite deranged to be honest.
    I used to like vension.

    It's been destroyed by the brand. Idiotic fellow travellers, like you.
    It's food.

    It's taste hasn't changed. It's calorie count hasn't changed. It's texture and the way it's cooked hasn't changed.

    Food doesn't have opinions.

    To quote MJ Hibbett in The Lesson of the Smiths:

    "Just because a bunch of wankers like it, doesn't mean that it's shit"
    The people that select the food you are able to purchase have opinions, that's the problem. And the taste absolutely does change if your choice is restricted.

    And food is so much more than raw calories.

    So much more.
    The MJ Hibbett quote is appropriate. Morrissey is a dick. He produced an album called Meat is Murder, which puts him pretty high on the wanker scale.

    But you know what? He made some good music.

    Just because a bunch of woke people promote venison doesn't lessen it as a food.
    It's restricted the choice at one of my favourite pubs. And I am royally pissed off.

    That's what I object to.

    If someone tries and tells me what to do I am liable to do the exact opposite, and then turn it up to eleven to spite them and teach them a lesson.
    It's not the venison you object to, it's the restriction of other choices.

    Which is perfectly reasonable. But that doesn't make venison in any way wrong or woke.
    I can see where Casino is coming from. He's rebelling against the woke showing him to eat venison but forbidding him from eating beef, pork, etc.

    I'm on a restricted diet for the next few days before a colonoscopy, and I'm starting to resent all the foods I'm allowed to eat.
    What I don’t understand is that @casinoroyale is a capitalist and the pub is privately owned.

    They’ve made a business decision on how to maximise their returns. He may not like it - and can take his business elsewhere. But why does he want a private enterprise to be forced to serve his segment of the market if it’s not in their perceived best interests?
    That's true in a textbook kind of way, but Casino was talking about one of his favourite pubs changing. A favourite pub, restaurant or cafe becomes more than just a business with which you conduct economic transactions. An emotional connection is created. The staff get to know you, what you like. You have a relationship.

    Now, it's like he's been dumped by his favourite pub. Personally rejected.
    Emotional connections can be dangerous
    I hope you haven't told your wife that!
    How are your teenagers?
  • rcs1000 said:

    WillG said:

    Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?

    As Team America put it - “Fuck Yeah”

    Have you ever tried pulled venison - slow cooked/smoked like pulled pork?
    I’ve only tried it twice.

    Hard to source Halal venison.
    This is a genuine question and I mean it with no disrespect - I just really want to understand the thinking. Am I right in saying that you drink alcohol and married a Christian? Is there a rationale for doing these things but eating halal?

    It's so that, when his mother asks "are you a good Muslim?", he can reply in all honesty "of course mother, I only eat halal"

    (I have an atheist Muslim friend who won't eat pork for this reason)
    I am a very good Muslim if you ignore my constant gambling and whoring.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,576
    rcs1000 said:

    WillG said:

    Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?

    As Team America put it - “Fuck Yeah”

    Have you ever tried pulled venison - slow cooked/smoked like pulled pork?
    I’ve only tried it twice.

    Hard to source Halal venison.
    This is a genuine question and I mean it with no disrespect - I just really want to understand the thinking. Am I right in saying that you drink alcohol and married a Christian? Is there a rationale for doing these things but eating halal?

    It's so that, when his mother asks "are you a good Muslim?", he can reply in all honesty "of course mother, I only eat halal"

    (I have an atheist Muslim friend who won't eat pork for this reason)
    Talking of atheist Muslims; on my run this morning (along the River Lee), I came across a bench that was empty aside from two things: a half-drunk bottle of Corona Extra, and an immaculate (aside from being slightly damp) copy of the Quran.

    Strange benchfellows.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,215

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    I studied Environmental Science for some time. Venison is one of the best meats we could eat in the UK, nothing woke about it.
    It's Woke. You're a child

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    It's the sort of meat Greens and Lefties offer as an "alternative" to their veganism, and isn't very popular.

    Trust me, it's Woke.
    This sounds quite deranged to be honest.
    I used to like vension.

    It's been destroyed by the brand. Idiotic fellow travellers, like you.
    It's food.

    It's taste hasn't changed. It's calorie count hasn't changed. It's texture and the way it's cooked hasn't changed.

    Food doesn't have opinions.

    To quote MJ Hibbett in The Lesson of the Smiths:

    "Just because a bunch of wankers like it, doesn't mean that it's shit"
    The people that select the food you are able to purchase have opinions, that's the problem. And the taste absolutely does change if your choice is restricted.

    And food is so much more than raw calories.

    So much more.
    The MJ Hibbett quote is appropriate. Morrissey is a dick. He produced an album called Meat is Murder, which puts him pretty high on the wanker scale.

    But you know what? He made some good music.

    Just because a bunch of woke people promote venison doesn't lessen it as a food.
    It's restricted the choice at one of my favourite pubs. And I am royally pissed off.

    That's what I object to.

    If someone tries and tells me what to do I am liable to do the exact opposite, and then turn it up to eleven to spite them and teach them a lesson.
    It's not the venison you object to, it's the restriction of other choices.

    Which is perfectly reasonable. But that doesn't make venison in any way wrong or woke.
    I can see where Casino is coming from. He's rebelling against the woke showing him to eat venison but forbidding him from eating beef, pork, etc.

    I'm on a restricted diet for the next few days before a colonoscopy, and I'm starting to resent all the foods I'm allowed to eat.
    What I don’t understand is that @casinoroyale is a capitalist and the pub is privately owned.

    They’ve made a business decision on how to maximise their returns. He may not like it - and can take his business elsewhere. But why does he want a private enterprise to be forced to serve his segment of the market if it’s not in their perceived best interests?
    That's true in a textbook kind of way, but Casino was talking about one of his favourite pubs changing. A favourite pub, restaurant or cafe becomes more than just a business with which you conduct economic transactions. An emotional connection is created. The staff get to know you, what you like. You have a relationship.

    Now, it's like he's been dumped by his favourite pub. Personally rejected.
    Emotional connections can be dangerous
    The difficult question for all Conservatives to answer. Freedom for business to make cash the best way they can, or conserving stable communities roughly as they are?

    As history has shown, it's much easier to be casual about other people's communities.
  • Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 48% (=)
    CON: 25% (+2)
    LDM: 9% (-2)
    GRN: 6% (+1)
    RFM: 5% (=)

    Via
    @FindoutnowUK
    , 1-3 Mar.
    Changes w/ 27 Jan - 5 Feb.

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1632031745422897155
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,348

    rcs1000 said:

    WillG said:

    Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?

    As Team America put it - “Fuck Yeah”

    Have you ever tried pulled venison - slow cooked/smoked like pulled pork?
    I’ve only tried it twice.

    Hard to source Halal venison.
    This is a genuine question and I mean it with no disrespect - I just really want to understand the thinking. Am I right in saying that you drink alcohol and married a Christian? Is there a rationale for doing these things but eating halal?

    It's so that, when his mother asks "are you a good Muslim?", he can reply in all honesty "of course mother, I only eat halal"

    (I have an atheist Muslim friend who won't eat pork for this reason)
    I am a very good Muslim if you ignore my constant gambling and whoring.
    Wicked Child!
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,783

    rcs1000 said:

    WillG said:

    Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?

    As Team America put it - “Fuck Yeah”

    Have you ever tried pulled venison - slow cooked/smoked like pulled pork?
    I’ve only tried it twice.

    Hard to source Halal venison.
    This is a genuine question and I mean it with no disrespect - I just really want to understand the thinking. Am I right in saying that you drink alcohol and married a Christian? Is there a rationale for doing these things but eating halal?

    It's so that, when his mother asks "are you a good Muslim?", he can reply in all honesty "of course mother, I only eat halal"

    (I have an atheist Muslim friend who won't eat pork for this reason)
    I am a very good Muslim if you ignore my constant gambling and whoring.
    I used to stay in a shared flat with a Jewish guy who *loved* bacon. He was once tucking into a bacon butty (with another waiting) when his mother turned up unexpectedly. Queue a frantic mouthful of polo mints and begging of other flatmates to sit looking like they were eating the delicious, smokey, porky forbidden fruit while his mother tutted in the hall.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,375
    edited March 2023
    ohnotnow said:

    rcs1000 said:

    WillG said:

    Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?

    As Team America put it - “Fuck Yeah”

    Have you ever tried pulled venison - slow cooked/smoked like pulled pork?
    I’ve only tried it twice.

    Hard to source Halal venison.
    This is a genuine question and I mean it with no disrespect - I just really want to understand the thinking. Am I right in saying that you drink alcohol and married a Christian? Is there a rationale for doing these things but eating halal?

    It's so that, when his mother asks "are you a good Muslim?", he can reply in all honesty "of course mother, I only eat halal"

    (I have an atheist Muslim friend who won't eat pork for this reason)
    I am a very good Muslim if you ignore my constant gambling and whoring.
    I used to stay in a shared flat with a Jewish guy who *loved* bacon. He was once tucking into a bacon butty (with another waiting) when his mother turned up unexpectedly. Queue a frantic mouthful of polo mints and begging of other flatmates to sit looking like they were eating the delicious, smokey, porky forbidden fruit while his mother tutted in the hall.
    You were a flatmate of Ed Miliband?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,348
    ohnotnow said:

    rcs1000 said:

    WillG said:

    Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?

    As Team America put it - “Fuck Yeah”

    Have you ever tried pulled venison - slow cooked/smoked like pulled pork?
    I’ve only tried it twice.

    Hard to source Halal venison.
    This is a genuine question and I mean it with no disrespect - I just really want to understand the thinking. Am I right in saying that you drink alcohol and married a Christian? Is there a rationale for doing these things but eating halal?

    It's so that, when his mother asks "are you a good Muslim?", he can reply in all honesty "of course mother, I only eat halal"

    (I have an atheist Muslim friend who won't eat pork for this reason)
    I am a very good Muslim if you ignore my constant gambling and whoring.
    I used to stay in a shared flat with a Jewish guy who *loved* bacon. He was once tucking into a bacon butty (with another waiting) when his mother turned up unexpectedly. Queue a frantic mouthful of polo mints and begging of other flatmates to sit looking like they were eating the delicious, smokey, porky forbidden fruit while his mother tutted in the hall.
    Lots of Russian Jews are fond of “white steak.”
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    .

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    I studied Environmental Science for some time. Venison is one of the best meats we could eat in the UK, nothing woke about it.
    It's Woke. You're a child

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    It's the sort of meat Greens and Lefties offer as an "alternative" to their veganism, and isn't very popular.

    Trust me, it's Woke.
    This sounds quite deranged to be honest.
    I used to like vension.

    It's been destroyed by the brand. Idiotic fellow travellers, like you.
    It's food.

    It's taste hasn't changed. It's calorie count hasn't changed. It's texture and the way it's cooked hasn't changed.

    Food doesn't have opinions.

    To quote MJ Hibbett in The Lesson of the Smiths:

    "Just because a bunch of wankers like it, doesn't mean that it's shit"
    The people that select the food you are able to purchase have opinions, that's the problem. And the taste absolutely does change if your choice is restricted.

    And food is so much more than raw calories.

    So much more.
    The MJ Hibbett quote is appropriate. Morrissey is a dick. He produced an album called Meat is Murder, which puts him pretty high on the wanker scale.

    But you know what? He made some good music.

    Just because a bunch of woke people promote venison doesn't lessen it as a food.
    It's restricted the choice at one of my favourite pubs. And I am royally pissed off.

    That's what I object to.

    If someone tries and tells me what to do I am liable to do the exact opposite, and then turn it up to eleven to spite them and teach them a lesson.
    It's not the venison you object to, it's the restriction of other choices.

    Which is perfectly reasonable. But that doesn't make venison in any way wrong or woke.
    I can see where Casino is coming from. He's rebelling against the woke showing him to eat venison but forbidding him from eating beef, pork, etc.

    I'm on a restricted diet for the next few days before a colonoscopy, and I'm starting to resent all the foods I'm allowed to eat.
    What I don’t understand is that @casinoroyale is a capitalist and the pub is privately owned.

    They’ve made a business decision on how to maximise their returns. He may not like it - and can take his business elsewhere. But why does he want a private enterprise to be forced to serve his segment of the market if it’s not in their perceived best interests?
    That's true in a textbook kind of way, but Casino was talking about one of his favourite pubs changing. A favourite pub, restaurant or cafe becomes more than just a business with which you conduct economic transactions. An emotional connection is created. The staff get to know you, what you like. You have a relationship.

    Now, it's like he's been dumped by his favourite pub. Personally rejected.
    Yes, that can be genuinely upsetting.
    Stocky said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    Mr. Max, DS9 has a lot to like. Damar's arc springs to mind, and the conversation Kira has with him about whether or not to bomb facilities after the Dominion choose to make sure every one has Cardassians present is interesting for the moral quandry it raises.

    Mr. Seal, I hardly ever watch new stuff (although I did get a box set of the first three seasons of The Expanse and liked it a lot. May watch House of the Dragon at some point). A problem can be when something seeks to claim the fanbase of an IP then changes it utterly for a 'modern audience' (Velma could be such an example).

    And sometimes writing quality is just atrocious. Yes, Galadriel taking a pyroclastic flow to the face and being just fine. I'm looking at you.

    The trouble is writers can't resist the Wokery.

    And, when they do, people just turn off.
    I stumbled across a series called “the boys” (I usually don’t like superhero things) and have never watched anything so non-correct. Attacks certain political positions but not from a pearl clutching standpoint and with dark humour.

    The best thing is that I have never heard the banned “C” word used so much outside of mumsnet.
    The Boys is fantastic. Karl Urban proving once again what a great actor he is.
    Season three is another level.
    The final scene genuinely chilling.
    Never heard of The Boys. Is it on Amazon Prime and is it free?
    Yes.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    edited March 2023

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 48% (=)
    CON: 25% (+2)
    LDM: 9% (-2)
    GRN: 6% (+1)
    RFM: 5% (=)

    Via
    @FindoutnowUK
    , 1-3 Mar.
    Changes w/ 27 Jan - 5 Feb.

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1632031745422897155

    It’s Opinium night? Tory’s into 30’s surely? Everyone else adding +2 or more to Tories last few days, so 30 or 31% for Tories 43% Labour tonight, the Savanta 14% gap minus swingback. Only 12% gap deep into winter of discontent with plenty of time for Tory recovery would look good, but can they only stay 12 behind in couple of weeks, or wobble another droopy boob at it?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    Gosh, a 'warm' thread for me to take a pass on! Much high colour and trembly fingers, I sense.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,576
    Stocky said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    Mr. Max, DS9 has a lot to like. Damar's arc springs to mind, and the conversation Kira has with him about whether or not to bomb facilities after the Dominion choose to make sure every one has Cardassians present is interesting for the moral quandry it raises.

    Mr. Seal, I hardly ever watch new stuff (although I did get a box set of the first three seasons of The Expanse and liked it a lot. May watch House of the Dragon at some point). A problem can be when something seeks to claim the fanbase of an IP then changes it utterly for a 'modern audience' (Velma could be such an example).

    And sometimes writing quality is just atrocious. Yes, Galadriel taking a pyroclastic flow to the face and being just fine. I'm looking at you.

    The trouble is writers can't resist the Wokery.

    And, when they do, people just turn off.
    I stumbled across a series called “the boys” (I usually don’t like superhero things) and have never watched anything so non-correct. Attacks certain political positions but not from a pearl clutching standpoint and with dark humour.

    The best thing is that I have never heard the banned “C” word used so much outside of mumsnet.
    The Boys is fantastic. Karl Urban proving once again what a great actor he is.
    Season three is another level.
    The final scene genuinely chilling.
    Never heard of The Boys. Is it on Amazon Prime and is it free?
    As others have said, it's on Prime.

    I actually got a bit bored of it during Series 3. There was not enough real plot development, and constant attempts to gross people out detuned the few interesting ideas. Take out the gross bits, and it's a fairly ordinary series, albeit well acted by some.

    Then again, I did binge watch all three series, so people who waited between series might have a different experience.

    I'll still watch series 4 though ...
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,419
    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Mr. Max, DS9 has a lot to like. Damar's arc springs to mind, and the conversation Kira has with him about whether or not to bomb facilities after the Dominion choose to make sure every one has Cardassians present is interesting for the moral quandry it raises.

    Mr. Seal, I hardly ever watch new stuff (although I did get a box set of the first three seasons of The Expanse and liked it a lot. May watch House of the Dragon at some point). A problem can be when something seeks to claim the fanbase of an IP then changes it utterly for a 'modern audience' (Velma could be such an example).

    And sometimes writing quality is just atrocious. Yes, Galadriel taking a pyroclastic flow to the face and being just fine. I'm looking at you.

    The trouble is writers can't resist the Wokery.

    And, when they do, people just turn off.
    I stumbled across a series called “the boys” (I usually don’t like superhero things) and have never watched anything so non-correct. Attacks certain political positions but not from a pearl clutching standpoint and with dark humour.

    The best thing is that I have never heard the banned “C” word used so much outside of mumsnet.
    The Boys is fantastic. Karl Urban proving once again what a great actor he is. Also worth watching Preacher which was also written by Garth Ennis. Made by the same team and has the same black humour.

    Unless you are religious. If you are religious you probably won't enjoy it.
    The Boys is excellent. I am running out of tv drama to watch in the Kok but that’s kept me going

    Barbarians Season Two is, by contrast, beyond poor. It’s like a Parody of Wokeness but written by Woke people. In the 14th minute of season 2 episode 1 there’s a handy Carthaginian princess to be black and female and powerful and in minute 36 it turns out the brutal Roman general is actually having a tragic gay affair with the Teutonic chieftain

    Then I gave up
    I quite enjoyed Season 1, but Season 2 sounds like crap.

    Spartacus, OTOH, I thought was great at showing what life would have been like in the ancient world (other than giving gladiators superhuman fighting skills against soldiers. What actually made Spartacus so formidable is that he trained his followers to fight like soldiers).

    The sheer vileness of ancient slavery was really brought home in that series.


    I really enjoyed Season 1. Season 2 is absolute shite. It’s not just the incessant Wokeness - the dialogue is dire and the drama insipid. These may all be linked, of course: scriptwriters primarily chosen for Wokeness are more likely to be crap
    A good writer has to be willing to give offence.
    Sadly it isn't just avoiding 'giving offence' - 'silence is violence', so unless you're ramming wokery down people's throats the whole time, your drama is causing a problem. The whole lot needs flushing.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    Interesting UnHerd article.

    "The corruption of California
    Bribery is the only way to get things done
    By Matthew Crawford"

    https://unherd.com/2023/03/the-corruption-of-california/
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,032
    edited March 2023
    Good evening

    My hope is that Johnson is found guilty and, as some are suggesting, he receives a month's ban from the HOC and then a by election defeat

    Sunak has steadied the ship and it is time his mps rowed in behind him and disregard the malcontents

    I expect Starmer will win in 24 but Sunak is the best hope of the party mitigating the result
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,955
    Lee Anderson doing an oxymoronic turn on Political Thinking on R4 just now.

    He says he left Labour to join the Tories because a local young Momentumite asked him if he’d read Karl Marx, and when the inevitable negative reply was given, he was told to fuck off and join the Tories, ‘so ah did.’

    Anyone think that really happened?
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,660
    edited March 2023

    Lee Anderson doing an oxymoronic turn on Political Thinking on R4 just now.

    He says he left Labour to join the Tories because a local young Momentumite asked him if he’d read Karl Marx, and when the inevitable negative reply was given, he was told to fuck off and join the Tories, ‘so ah did.’

    Anyone think that really happened?

    Can't imagine he'll be reading Smith or Keynes either. Maybe he'll end up in Farage's grift machine when the Cons have finished with him.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Prick Farmer is a braindead Corbynite wankjockey.

    Discuss.

    I'd rather die in agony that apologise to that arsehole @CorrectHorseBattery3

    Fucking twat.

    He owes me about 3 million apologies before I even consider thinking about edging towards a first.

    Not really acceptable.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    Lee Anderson doing an oxymoronic turn on Political Thinking on R4 just now.

    He says he left Labour to join the Tories because a local young Momentumite asked him if he’d read Karl Marx, and when the inevitable negative reply was given, he was told to fuck off and join the Tories, ‘so ah did.’

    Anyone think that really happened?

    Well, it would be a remarkably dumb reason to alter political allegiances, so I suppose it cannot be entirely ruled out in his case.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,380

    Lee Anderson doing an oxymoronic turn on Political Thinking on R4 just now.

    He says he left Labour to join the Tories because a local young Momentumite asked him if he’d read Karl Marx, and when the inevitable negative reply was given, he was told to fuck off and join the Tories, ‘so ah did.’

    Anyone think that really happened?

    Can’t say I care either way. In five years time hardly anyone will know who he is.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    edited March 2023
    Taz said:

    Lee Anderson doing an oxymoronic turn on Political Thinking on R4 just now.

    He says he left Labour to join the Tories because a local young Momentumite asked him if he’d read Karl Marx, and when the inevitable negative reply was given, he was told to fuck off and join the Tories, ‘so ah did.’

    Anyone think that really happened?

    Can’t say I care either way. In five years time hardly anyone will know who he is.
    Except the odd anecdote on PB, obviously.

    Edit: whohe anyway? *googles* Oh yes, Mr 30p.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,380

    Prick Farmer is a braindead Corbynite wankjockey.

    Discuss.

    I'd rather die in agony that apologise to that arsehole @CorrectHorseBattery3

    Fucking twat.

    He owes me about 3 million apologies before I even consider thinking about edging towards a first.

    Not really acceptable.
    Well it is not for you to say, it is not your group. People have said far worse and not got banned.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,375
    Fuck. In. Hell.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/02/europe/greece-train-crash-larissa-protests-intl/index.html

    57 dead. 48 still in hospital.

    If that stationmaster gets less than life in prison, he's been given mercy not justice.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    I missed this piece of shithousery at the time.

    On the 5th anniversary of the Skripal poisonings, let's remember the time Russia Today sent Chocolate Salisbury Cathedrals to various media outlets as a Christmas gift
    https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1632049650097090564
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,521
    ydoethur said:

    Fuck. In. Hell.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/02/europe/greece-train-crash-larissa-protests-intl/index.html

    57 dead. 48 still in hospital.

    If that stationmaster gets less than life in prison, he's been given mercy not justice.

    I understood that the problem lies with the whole system rather than the individual stationmaster who looks to be becoming something of a scapegoat.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    Andy_JS said:

    Interesting UnHerd article.

    "The corruption of California
    Bribery is the only way to get things done
    By Matthew Crawford"

    https://unherd.com/2023/03/the-corruption-of-california/

    Ummmm.

    The California Emissions standards aren't that strict: it's 3,000 parts per million for Carbon Monoxide, for example, which compares to 100 ppm in the UK.

    It costs about $50 to get your car checked at a garage and it takes about ten minutes. And they give you your smog certificate.

    If you're going to a dodgy Chinese lady and paying her $200 to avoid taking the real test, then your car must be hideously polluting.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,130
    ydoethur said:

    Fuck. In. Hell.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/02/europe/greece-train-crash-larissa-protests-intl/index.html

    57 dead. 48 still in hospital.

    If that stationmaster gets less than life in prison, he's been given mercy not justice.

    If the railway authorities put him in the position of doing effectively manual signalling with no safety interlocking or proper working procedure because the automatic systems were not functional, then scapegoating the man on the ground and ignoring the systematic failures is not justice either.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Taz said:

    Prick Farmer is a braindead Corbynite wankjockey.

    Discuss.

    I'd rather die in agony that apologise to that arsehole @CorrectHorseBattery3

    Fucking twat.

    He owes me about 3 million apologies before I even consider thinking about edging towards a first.

    Not really acceptable.
    Well it is not for you to say, it is not your group. People have said far worse and not got banned.
    No it is not, and I wasn't passing any judgement on anyone else's behalf other than my own. Nonetheless such behaviour is not how the site normally works. Heated banter is one thing, profane threats are another. Just for you Taz, perhaps it's time for me to f*** off.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,941

    Lee Anderson doing an oxymoronic turn on Political Thinking on R4 just now.

    He says he left Labour to join the Tories because a local young Momentumite asked him if he’d read Karl Marx, and when the inevitable negative reply was given, he was told to fuck off and join the Tories, ‘so ah did.’

    Anyone think that really happened?

    I'm centre-right, and I've read Karl Marx. It's called "being educated".

    Something that wouldn't hurt Mr Anderson.
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  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,375

    ydoethur said:

    Fuck. In. Hell.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/02/europe/greece-train-crash-larissa-protests-intl/index.html

    57 dead. 48 still in hospital.

    If that stationmaster gets less than life in prison, he's been given mercy not justice.

    I understood that the problem lies with the whole system rather than the individual stationmaster who looks to be becoming something of a scapegoat.
    However I look at this, there isn't any way around he ordered a train past a danger signal with no checks.

    True, the whole system is a shithouse but there are some things that you just don't do.

    The Quintinshill signalmen had their sentences much reduced on the grounds the traffic was unusually heavy due to the war. I wonder if he will.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fuck. In. Hell.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/02/europe/greece-train-crash-larissa-protests-intl/index.html

    57 dead. 48 still in hospital.

    If that stationmaster gets less than life in prison, he's been given mercy not justice.

    I understood that the problem lies with the whole system rather than the individual stationmaster who looks to be becoming something of a scapegoat.
    However I look at this, there isn't any way around he ordered a train past a danger signal with no checks.

    True, the whole system is a shithouse but there are some things that you just don't do.

    The Quintinshill signalmen had their sentences much reduced on the grounds the traffic was unusually heavy due to the war. I wonder if he will.
    I was just about to mention them too.

    https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/learning/first-world-war/quintinshill-disaster
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,576
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fuck. In. Hell.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/02/europe/greece-train-crash-larissa-protests-intl/index.html

    57 dead. 48 still in hospital.

    If that stationmaster gets less than life in prison, he's been given mercy not justice.

    I understood that the problem lies with the whole system rather than the individual stationmaster who looks to be becoming something of a scapegoat.
    However I look at this, there isn't any way around he ordered a train past a danger signal with no checks.

    True, the whole system is a shithouse but there are some things that you just don't do.

    The Quintinshill signalmen had their sentences much reduced on the grounds the traffic was unusually heavy due to the war. I wonder if he will.
    Quintishill was over 100 years ago. There have been many crashes since then, and after each one, in a sane world, lessons have been learnt and better systems and processes adopted.

    The 1892 Thirsk crash is a sad and tragic example of where someone made a mistake that led to many deaths, but when you read the circumstances, it's clear the system surrounding him was totally at fault (his infant daughter died that day, and they refused to get a relief signalman. He had not slept for 36 hours, and he got confused whilst on duty, causing a crash that killed ten people.)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1892_Thirsk_rail_crash

    *If* he was in charge of situation where he could order a train past a danger signal without sufficient other systems in place, then it's the system that's wrong. (*). If the system allows a person to be a single point of failure, then the system's wrong.

    I'm also agog at the way this has been played by the Greek government. The main aim is to work out *what* happened, not undergo a massive finger-pointing blame-game, as has happened here. This just results in people clamming up, not telling the truth, and blaming others. We probably won't get to the real thought processes that led him to make the fateful decision.

    (*) AFACIR signalmen in the UK can order trains past signals, but it is very unusual, and they are speed-limited.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,375

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fuck. In. Hell.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/02/europe/greece-train-crash-larissa-protests-intl/index.html

    57 dead. 48 still in hospital.

    If that stationmaster gets less than life in prison, he's been given mercy not justice.

    I understood that the problem lies with the whole system rather than the individual stationmaster who looks to be becoming something of a scapegoat.
    However I look at this, there isn't any way around he ordered a train past a danger signal with no checks.

    True, the whole system is a shithouse but there are some things that you just don't do.

    The Quintinshill signalmen had their sentences much reduced on the grounds the traffic was unusually heavy due to the war. I wonder if he will.
    Quintishill was over 100 years ago. There have been many crashes since then, and after each one, in a sane world, lessons have been learnt and better systems and processes adopted.

    The 1892 Thirsk crash is a sad and tragic example of where someone made a mistake that led to many deaths, but when you read the circumstances, it's clear the system surrounding him was totally at fault (his infant daughter died that day, and they refused to get a relief signalman. He had not slept for 36 hours, and he got confused whilst on duty, causing a crash that killed ten people.)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1892_Thirsk_rail_crash

    *If* he was in charge of situation where he could order a train past a danger signal without sufficient other systems in place, then it's the system that's wrong. (*). If the system allows a person to be a single point of failure, then the system's wrong.

    I'm also agog at the way this has been played by the Greek government. The main aim is to work out *what* happened, not undergo a massive finger-pointing blame-game, as has happened here. This just results in people clamming up, not telling the truth, and blaming others. We probably won't get to the real thought processes that led him to make the fateful decision.

    (*) AFACIR signalmen in the UK can order trains past signals, but it is very unusual, and they are speed-limited.
    They can, which was a factor in the Severn Tunnel crash of 1989.

    But this is - extraordinary.

    While he's not the only one who should be in the dock, what he did was pretty unforgivable.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,576
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fuck. In. Hell.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/02/europe/greece-train-crash-larissa-protests-intl/index.html

    57 dead. 48 still in hospital.

    If that stationmaster gets less than life in prison, he's been given mercy not justice.

    I understood that the problem lies with the whole system rather than the individual stationmaster who looks to be becoming something of a scapegoat.
    However I look at this, there isn't any way around he ordered a train past a danger signal with no checks.

    True, the whole system is a shithouse but there are some things that you just don't do.

    The Quintinshill signalmen had their sentences much reduced on the grounds the traffic was unusually heavy due to the war. I wonder if he will.
    Quintishill was over 100 years ago. There have been many crashes since then, and after each one, in a sane world, lessons have been learnt and better systems and processes adopted.

    The 1892 Thirsk crash is a sad and tragic example of where someone made a mistake that led to many deaths, but when you read the circumstances, it's clear the system surrounding him was totally at fault (his infant daughter died that day, and they refused to get a relief signalman. He had not slept for 36 hours, and he got confused whilst on duty, causing a crash that killed ten people.)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1892_Thirsk_rail_crash

    *If* he was in charge of situation where he could order a train past a danger signal without sufficient other systems in place, then it's the system that's wrong. (*). If the system allows a person to be a single point of failure, then the system's wrong.

    I'm also agog at the way this has been played by the Greek government. The main aim is to work out *what* happened, not undergo a massive finger-pointing blame-game, as has happened here. This just results in people clamming up, not telling the truth, and blaming others. We probably won't get to the real thought processes that led him to make the fateful decision.

    (*) AFACIR signalmen in the UK can order trains past signals, but it is very unusual, and they are speed-limited.
    They can, which was a factor in the Severn Tunnel crash of 1989.

    But this is - extraordinary.

    While he's not the only one who should be in the dock, what he did was pretty unforgivable.
    What you are hearing is extraordinary, because it's the stuff the Greek government is releasing in an effort to cover their backsides. Perhaps it's the truth: but if it is, then it's only a partial truth. The massively important thing is that the way they're acting makes getting to the truth even more difficult.

    It's as sussy as heck, and it's the Greek government doing it, not the stationmaster.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    ydoethur said:

    Fuck. In. Hell.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/02/europe/greece-train-crash-larissa-protests-intl/index.html

    57 dead. 48 still in hospital.

    If that stationmaster gets less than life in prison, he's been given mercy not justice.

    I understood that the problem lies with the whole system rather than the individual stationmaster who looks to be becoming something of a scapegoat.
    Yes, scapegoating an individual is almost always the incorrect strategy. Unless you can prove they’ve been personally negligent, to a very high standard of proof that includes organisational and operational conditions.
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