Will Johnson ever be able to shake off partygate? – politicalbetting.com
In the next Conservative leader betting Boris Johnson has now slipped back from the favourite slot following the latest moves in relation to what has become known as partygate.
Frightening. Ron De Santis is a fascist, this reminds me of the law Robert Mugabe introduced which made it a crime to insult the President of Zimbabwe.
A new bill introduced in the Florida legislature would require “bloggers who write about Gov. Ron DeSantis, Attorney General Ashley Moody, and other members of the Florida executive cabinet or legislature to register with the state or face fines.”
Oh America, the GOP would be proscribed in the UK.
South Carolina Republicans have introduced a bill that would allow women to be executed if they have an abortion. The bill is also vague enough to potentially include miscarriages.
It must be so frustrating for Boris, convinced personally by how honest, honourable and genuinely wonderful he is, to have his integrity questioned on the technicality of the things he said and did.
However, the committee said that its work over the past ten months had been slowed because the government had tried to withhold evidence. In August, when Johnson was still prime minister, the government supplied “documents which were so heavily redacted as to render them devoid of any evidential value”, the committee said. Eventually in November, when Sunak was prime minister, “unredacted disclosure . . . was finally provided”.
F1: very nicely setup ahead of third practice and first qualifying of the year (starts at 3pm).
One downside is that, from what I've heard (didn't watch practice live) Stroll really shouldn't be in the car and his wrist pain is causing him problems.
Mr. Eagles, "Nadine Dorries will lose her shit if Boris Johnson gets suspended. "
Frightening. Ron De Santis is a fascist, this reminds me of the law Robert Mugabe introduced which made it a crime to insult the President of Zimbabwe.
A new bill introduced in the Florida legislature would require “bloggers who write about Gov. Ron DeSantis, Attorney General Ashley Moody, and other members of the Florida executive cabinet or legislature to register with the state or face fines.”
West Ham United used club money to make a £9,000 donation to the Conservative party last year. The donation was revealed by documents published by the Electoral Commission this week and was made on 26 September. The money was accepted by the Conservatives on 3 October, less than a month before Liz Truss was forced to resign as prime minister.
West Ham United used club money to make a £9,000 donation to the Conservative party last year. The donation was revealed by documents published by the Electoral Commission this week and was made on 26 September. The money was accepted by the Conservatives on 3 October, less than a month before Liz Truss was forced to resign as prime minister.
Frightening. Ron De Santis is a fascist, this reminds me of the law Robert Mugabe introduced which made it a crime to insult the President of Zimbabwe.
A new bill introduced in the Florida legislature would require “bloggers who write about Gov. Ron DeSantis, Attorney General Ashley Moody, and other members of the Florida executive cabinet or legislature to register with the state or face fines.”
Speaking of football, surprised there was only a single goal in the Napoli/Lazio match yesterday, and even more so that Lazio won away. Luckily, Napoli will still be at least 15 points clear in the lead after others complete their matches this weekend.
That DeSantis bill is rather.... tyrannical.
"You haff been blogging about ze leader. Your name vill also go on ze list!"
Oh America, the GOP would be proscribed in the UK.
South Carolina Republicans have introduced a bill that would allow women to be executed if they have an abortion. The bill is also vague enough to potentially include miscarriages.
If anyone still needs reminding of Johnson’s mendacity, watch the video.
https://mobile.twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/1631640387688312837 Important to remember what Boris Johnson said about Sue Gray's report at the time. How "profoundly grateful" he was, how "humbled", how fully he "accepted responsibility", "looked in the mirror" and "learned lessons".
Oh America, the GOP would be proscribed in the UK.
South Carolina Republicans have introduced a bill that would allow women to be executed if they have an abortion. The bill is also vague enough to potentially include miscarriages.
Abortion was illegal in the UK and we had capital punishment until the 1960s. Though obviously not the latter for the former and zero chance of this proposal actually becoming law
Speaking of football, surprised there was only a single goal in the Napoli/Lazio match yesterday, and even more so that Lazio won away. Luckily, Napoli will still be at least 15 points clear in the lead after others complete their matches this weekend.
That DeSantis bill is rather.... tyrannical.
"You haff been blogging about ze leader. Your name vill also go on ze list!"
The Oaf could shake off Partygate if Partygate had been an isolated incident. But it wasn’t. It is merely one event in an endless stream of career-long lies. Not just little fibs, but huge whopping stinkers.
The man’s mental development stopped at age 15. He is a delinquent.
Hancock is just such a massive arse. It seems like he was so high on his own supply and ran round trying to monetise himself that he didn’t actually engage his brain.
Not only did he do his old wanting to be a celeb by going on reality but he handed over huge amounts of sensitive info to a wildcard journo.
I hope he hasn’t blown all his jungle money as I don’t think he’s going to be the catch he thought he would be when it comes to future paid roles and gigs.
Indeed. This is an example of the studies of the scheme. I see the particularly imaginative use of the weather to argue that there really is a signal caused by restaurant usage.
Subsidising the spread of COVID-19: Evidence from the UK’S Eat-Out-to-Help-Out Scheme* Thiemo Fetzer The Economic Journal, Volume 132, Issue 643, April 2022, Pages 1200–1217, https://doi.org/10.1093/ej/ueab074
Abstract
This paper documents that a large-scale government subsidy aimed at encouraging people to eat out in restaurants in the wake of the first 2020 COVID-19 wave in the United Kingdom has had a significant causal impact on new cases, accelerating the subsequent second COVID-19 wave. The scheme subsidised 50% off the cost of food and non-alcoholic drinks for an unlimited number of visits in participating restaurants on Mondays–Wednesdays from 3–31 August 2020. Areas with higher take-up saw both a notable increase in new COVID-19 infection clusters within a week of the scheme starting and a deceleration in infections within two weeks of the program ending. Similarly, areas that exhibited notable rainfall during the prime lunch and dinner hours on the days the scheme was active record lower infection incidence—a pattern that is also measurable in mobility data—and non-detectable on days during which the discount was not available or for rainfall outside the core lunch and dinner hours.
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise paid for by taxpayers well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either. Both are rightly being refused
Hancock is just such a massive arse. It seems like he was so high on his own supply and ran round trying to monetise himself that he didn’t actually engage his brain.
Not only did he do his old wanting to be a celeb by going on reality but he handed over huge amounts of sensitive info to a wildcard journo.
I hope he hasn’t blown all his jungle money as I don’t think he’s going to be the catch he thought he would be when it comes to future paid roles and gigs.
I dunno. He could make a fortune at cyber security conferences on securing CCTV footage, using secure messaging systems and conducting due diligence on employees.
‘So, ladies and gentlemen, you’ve all heard the correct ways to do things. To demonstrate what happens when you don’t follow basic procedures here is Matt Hancock who will tell you his methods. At the end we will show you a montage of newspaper reports demonstrating the results of these methods.’
Indeed. This is an example of the studies of the scheme. I see the particularly imaginative use of the weather to argue that there really is a signal caused by restaurant usage.
Subsidising the spread of COVID-19: Evidence from the UK’S Eat-Out-to-Help-Out Scheme* Thiemo Fetzer The Economic Journal, Volume 132, Issue 643, April 2022, Pages 1200–1217, https://doi.org/10.1093/ej/ueab074
Abstract
This paper documents that a large-scale government subsidy aimed at encouraging people to eat out in restaurants in the wake of the first 2020 COVID-19 wave in the United Kingdom has had a significant causal impact on new cases, accelerating the subsequent second COVID-19 wave. The scheme subsidised 50% off the cost of food and non-alcoholic drinks for an unlimited number of visits in participating restaurants on Mondays–Wednesdays from 3–31 August 2020. Areas with higher take-up saw both a notable increase in new COVID-19 infection clusters within a week of the scheme starting and a deceleration in infections within two weeks of the program ending. Similarly, areas that exhibited notable rainfall during the prime lunch and dinner hours on the days the scheme was active record lower infection incidence—a pattern that is also measurable in mobility data—and non-detectable on days during which the discount was not available or for rainfall outside the core lunch and dinner hours.
I don't think this will/should have any traction. Everyone knew there is a trade off between increased infections vs economic and social gain with Eat Out to Help Out. Many of us needed something like that for our mental health. Of course it lead to increased spread as more people met and that is how covid spreads.....
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either
It’s called ‘supply and demand’ Hyufd. In scarcities prices go up.
The Oaf could shake off Partygate if Partygate had been an isolated incident. But it wasn’t. It is merely one event in an endless stream of career-long lies. Not just little fibs, but huge whopping stinkers.
The man’s mental development stopped at age 15. He is a delinquent.
Unsurprising, really. Everything in BoJo's life story has taught him that he can get away with stuff. And on the rare occasions that he hasn't (like being sacked by The Times) he has managed to fail upwards.
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise paid for by taxpayers well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either. Both are rightly being refused
God I am so bored of this. Is there anyone left who really cares? I mean, I get the use of this tedium to undermine any Johnson come back but that looks increasingly unlikely in any event. And the agony of going through this again.
Boris lied. We all know he did. There is nothing left to prove. He was driven out of office by his lies. Enough.
God I am so bored of this. Is there anyone left who really cares? I mean, I get the use of this tedium to undermine any Johnson come back but that looks increasingly unlikely in any event. And the agony of going through this again.
Boris lied. We all know he did. There is nothing left to prove. He was driven out of office by his lies. Enough.
While some of the others are still there, still drawing their money and cocking everything up through a mixture of the same arrogance, ignorance and stupidity they demonstrated so clearly over this, we should still care.
I suppose that could apply to Sunak but I’m thinking particularly of Case and Acland-Hood.
Prince Andrew demands mansion 'fit for a king' and disgraced royal wants 'top role'
Duke of York is refusing to leave the palatial 30-bedroom Windsor home after King Charles informed him of planned budget cuts to the royal finances….
… Andrew, 63, has even offered to run some of the most prestigious estates in the Royal Family’s portfolio, including the late Queen’s beloved Balmoral Castle in Aberdeenshire.
Sources have revealed how the Duke pleaded with the King for a “top role”, believing the responsibility and prestige with running the properties would offer him a way back into the fold.
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise paid for by taxpayers well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either. Both are rightly being refused
Why do you hate the NHS and their staff?
I don't, I don't even have a problem with them getting a 6% payrise ie the national average.
I do have a problem with consultants demanding to be paid 3 times their salary for shifts by taxpayers and junior doctors demanding over 4 times the national payrise also paid for by taxpayers!
God I am so bored of this. Is there anyone left who really cares? I mean, I get the use of this tedium to undermine any Johnson come back but that looks increasingly unlikely in any event. And the agony of going through this again.
Boris lied. We all know he did. There is nothing left to prove. He was driven out of office by his lies. Enough.
He is still second favourite for next leader of the establishment party so yes, we care.
Three observations:
Why do we allow senior politicians to use Whatsapp in this way? What is the point of security clearance anymore?
Might Hancock be guilty of breaking Official Secrets Act by giving all his Whatsapp to Oakeshott?
It seems dozens of civil servants and advisers directly knew the PM was lying to parliament, not one spoke publicly. Do they not have a legal/moral duty to whistleblow here?
Oh America, the GOP would be proscribed in the UK.
South Carolina Republicans have introduced a bill that would allow women to be executed if they have an abortion. The bill is also vague enough to potentially include miscarriages.
It absolutely is. But they also have a written constitution which is a rather ridiculous and somewhat out of date document which includes the right to free speech. I do not think this law will survive challenge. If our Parliament were so mad as to do something similar it would be more difficult.
As an aside, it's worth remembering nobody knew (and it's still up for debate) the optimal way to try and mitigate the health and economic impact of the pandemic. Unfortunately, there's only a limited degree to which past experience can be any use, and any lessons 'learned' will be of similarly limited use in the future as any new disease will have different aspects.
That's not to say we shouldn't examine what happened, but in some instances judging with hindsight decisions made in a live situation the likes of which had not been seen for a century will be rather unfair.
Prince Andrew demands mansion 'fit for a king' and disgraced royal wants 'top role'
Duke of York is refusing to leave the palatial 30-bedroom Windsor home after King Charles informed him of planned budget cuts to the royal finances….
… Andrew, 63, has even offered to run some of the most prestigious estates in the Royal Family’s portfolio, including the late Queen’s beloved Balmoral Castle in Aberdeenshire.
Sources have revealed how the Duke pleaded with the King for a “top role”, believing the responsibility and prestige with running the properties would offer him a way back into the fold.
Prince Andrew demands mansion 'fit for a king' and disgraced royal wants 'top role'
Duke of York is refusing to leave the palatial 30-bedroom Windsor home after King Charles informed him of planned budget cuts to the royal finances….
… Andrew, 63, has even offered to run some of the most prestigious estates in the Royal Family’s portfolio, including the late Queen’s beloved Balmoral Castle in Aberdeenshire.
Sources have revealed how the Duke pleaded with the King for a “top role”, believing the responsibility and prestige with running the properties would offer him a way back into the fold.
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise paid for by taxpayers well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either. Both are rightly being refused
Why do you hate the NHS and their staff?
I don't, I don't even have a problem with them getting a 6% payrise ie the national average.
I do have a problem with consultants demanding to be paid 3 times their salary for shifts by taxpayers and junior doctors demanding over 4 times the national payrise also paid for by taxpayers!
Overnight shifts always pay more.
Why don’t you believe in free markets?
Real Tories believe in free markets, lefties like you want the government to control wages.
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise paid for by taxpayers well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either. Both are rightly being refused
I am amazed but I fully agree with HYUFD, only in the "magic money tree" public arena could people try to gouge their employers like this.
Indeed. This is an example of the studies of the scheme. I see the particularly imaginative use of the weather to argue that there really is a signal caused by restaurant usage.
Subsidising the spread of COVID-19: Evidence from the UK’S Eat-Out-to-Help-Out Scheme* Thiemo Fetzer The Economic Journal, Volume 132, Issue 643, April 2022, Pages 1200–1217, https://doi.org/10.1093/ej/ueab074
Abstract
This paper documents that a large-scale government subsidy aimed at encouraging people to eat out in restaurants in the wake of the first 2020 COVID-19 wave in the United Kingdom has had a significant causal impact on new cases, accelerating the subsequent second COVID-19 wave. The scheme subsidised 50% off the cost of food and non-alcoholic drinks for an unlimited number of visits in participating restaurants on Mondays–Wednesdays from 3–31 August 2020. Areas with higher take-up saw both a notable increase in new COVID-19 infection clusters within a week of the scheme starting and a deceleration in infections within two weeks of the program ending. Similarly, areas that exhibited notable rainfall during the prime lunch and dinner hours on the days the scheme was active record lower infection incidence—a pattern that is also measurable in mobility data—and non-detectable on days during which the discount was not available or for rainfall outside the core lunch and dinner hours.
I don't think this will/should have any traction. Everyone knew there is a trade off between increased infections vs economic and social gain with Eat Out to Help Out. Many of us needed something like that for our mental health. Of course it lead to increased spread as more people met and that is how covid spreads.....
"Everyone knew": sure, if they had any brains. But that conversation shows it was being deliberately suppressed. Hancock was actually right.
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise paid for by taxpayers well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either. Both are rightly being refused
Why do you hate the NHS and their staff?
I don't, I don't even have a problem with them getting a 6% payrise ie the national average.
I do have a problem with consultants demanding to be paid 3 times their salary for shifts by taxpayers and junior doctors demanding over 4 times the national payrise also paid for by taxpayers!
Overnight shifts always pay more.
Why don’t you believe in free markets?
Real Tories believe in free markets, lefties like you want the government to control wages.
The intellectual capacity of the Tory party is so limited it still has not made the connection between "lets drive up wages" and being the nations biggest employer. Baffling.
God I am so bored of this. Is there anyone left who really cares? I mean, I get the use of this tedium to undermine any Johnson come back but that looks increasingly unlikely in any event. And the agony of going through this again.
Boris lied. We all know he did. There is nothing left to prove. He was driven out of office by his lies. Enough.
While some of the others are still there, still drawing their money and cocking everything up through a mixture of the same arrogance, ignorance and stupidity they demonstrated so clearly over this, we should still care.
I suppose that could apply to Sunak but I’m thinking particularly of Case and Acland-Hood.
Agree , they should be tarring and feathering the lot of them and running them out of town. Typical Tory cries when caught with their hands in tills, and other places, etc.
Indeed. This is an example of the studies of the scheme. I see the particularly imaginative use of the weather to argue that there really is a signal caused by restaurant usage.
Subsidising the spread of COVID-19: Evidence from the UK’S Eat-Out-to-Help-Out Scheme* Thiemo Fetzer The Economic Journal, Volume 132, Issue 643, April 2022, Pages 1200–1217, https://doi.org/10.1093/ej/ueab074
Abstract
This paper documents that a large-scale government subsidy aimed at encouraging people to eat out in restaurants in the wake of the first 2020 COVID-19 wave in the United Kingdom has had a significant causal impact on new cases, accelerating the subsequent second COVID-19 wave. The scheme subsidised 50% off the cost of food and non-alcoholic drinks for an unlimited number of visits in participating restaurants on Mondays–Wednesdays from 3–31 August 2020. Areas with higher take-up saw both a notable increase in new COVID-19 infection clusters within a week of the scheme starting and a deceleration in infections within two weeks of the program ending. Similarly, areas that exhibited notable rainfall during the prime lunch and dinner hours on the days the scheme was active record lower infection incidence—a pattern that is also measurable in mobility data—and non-detectable on days during which the discount was not available or for rainfall outside the core lunch and dinner hours.
I don't think this will/should have any traction. Everyone knew there is a trade off between increased infections vs economic and social gain with Eat Out to Help Out. Many of us needed something like that for our mental health. Of course it lead to increased spread as more people met and that is how covid spreads.....
"Everyone knew": sure, if they had any brains. But that conversation shows it was being deliberately suppressed. Hancock was actually right.
Not focussing on something is not the same as suppressing it. Everyone knew. The balance between the two was widely discussed on here, in the media and socially generally. It was a balance call not a good/bad call.
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise paid for by taxpayers well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either. Both are rightly being refused
Why do you hate the NHS and their staff?
I don't, I don't even have a problem with them getting a 6% payrise ie the national average.
I do have a problem with consultants demanding to be paid 3 times their salary for shifts by taxpayers and junior doctors demanding over 4 times the national payrise also paid for by taxpayers!
Overnight shifts always pay more.
Why don’t you believe in free markets?
Real Tories believe in free markets, lefties like you want the government to control wages.
They might pay a bit more but not 3 times salary more.
The NHS is an arm of the state paid for by taxpayers. If NHS doctors and consultants really want to work in the free market they can move to Harley Street and go private. Only if healthcare was solely funded by patients with private health insurance not taxpayers would it be a genuine free market
Prince Andrew demands mansion 'fit for a king' and disgraced royal wants 'top role'
Duke of York is refusing to leave the palatial 30-bedroom Windsor home after King Charles informed him of planned budget cuts to the royal finances….
… Andrew, 63, has even offered to run some of the most prestigious estates in the Royal Family’s portfolio, including the late Queen’s beloved Balmoral Castle in Aberdeenshire.
Sources have revealed how the Duke pleaded with the King for a “top role”, believing the responsibility and prestige with running the properties would offer him a way back into the fold.
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either
It’s called ‘supply and demand’ Hyufd. In scarcities prices go up.
Singin’ the coups: Donald Trump releases single with January 6 prisoners ... The move is the latest in a growing trend by Trump and others on the far right of US politics to embrace the January 6 attack on the Capitol as a political cause and portray many of those who carried it out as protesters being persecuted by the state. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/03/donald-trump-song-charity-single-january-6-prisoners
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise paid for by taxpayers well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either. Both are rightly being refused
Why do you hate the NHS and their staff?
I don't, I don't even have a problem with them getting a 6% payrise ie the national average.
I do have a problem with consultants demanding to be paid 3 times their salary for shifts by taxpayers and junior doctors demanding over 4 times the national payrise also paid for by taxpayers!
Overnight shifts always pay more.
Why don’t you believe in free markets?
Real Tories believe in free markets, lefties like you want the government to control wages.
They might pay a bit more but not 3 times salary more.
The NHS is an arm of the state paid for by taxpayers. If NHS doctors and consultants really want to work in the free market they can move to Harley Street and go private. Only if healthcare was solely funded by patients with private health insurance not taxpayers would it be a genuine free market
You'd better talk to your party. They've been shifting the NHS and social services towardsa dependence on agencies with that sort of per-hour multiplier and lots of profit for party members.
Oh America, the GOP would be proscribed in the UK.
South Carolina Republicans have introduced a bill that would allow women to be executed if they have an abortion. The bill is also vague enough to potentially include miscarriages.
It absolutely is. But they also have a written constitution which is a rather ridiculous and somewhat out of date document which includes the right to free speech. I do not think this law will survive challenge. If our Parliament were so mad as to do something similar it would be more difficult.
God I am so bored of this. Is there anyone left who really cares? I mean, I get the use of this tedium to undermine any Johnson come back but that looks increasingly unlikely in any event. And the agony of going through this again.
Boris lied. We all know he did. There is nothing left to prove. He was driven out of office by his lies. Enough.
While some of the others are still there, still drawing their money and cocking everything up through a mixture of the same arrogance, ignorance and stupidity they demonstrated so clearly over this, we should still care.
I suppose that could apply to Sunak but I’m thinking particularly of Case and Acland-Hood.
Simon Case is a disgrace and should have been sacked for his role in trying to cover this up rather than promoted. But promotion for incompetence is in the finest traditions of public service. Acland-Hood rather escaped my attention I'm afraid but as someone who had a leading role in the Education department I can see how she might be in your sights.
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise paid for by taxpayers well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either. Both are rightly being refused
Why do you hate the NHS and their staff?
I don't, I don't even have a problem with them getting a 6% payrise ie the national average.
I do have a problem with consultants demanding to be paid 3 times their salary for shifts by taxpayers and junior doctors demanding over 4 times the national payrise also paid for by taxpayers!
Overnight shifts always pay more.
Why don’t you believe in free markets?
Real Tories believe in free markets, lefties like you want the government to control wages.
Rubbish, many many companies don't pay shift allowances nowadays, limited to public area and the ex public companies. Most private companies pay little or nothing extra.
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise paid for by taxpayers well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either. Both are rightly being refused
Why do you hate the NHS and their staff?
Morning all.
So trying to prevent moneygrubbing retired Doctors from extracting up to £3000 a day from the NHS is "hate"?
Prince Andrew demands mansion 'fit for a king' and disgraced royal wants 'top role'
Duke of York is refusing to leave the palatial 30-bedroom Windsor home after King Charles informed him of planned budget cuts to the royal finances….
… Andrew, 63, has even offered to run some of the most prestigious estates in the Royal Family’s portfolio, including the late Queen’s beloved Balmoral Castle in Aberdeenshire.
Sources have revealed how the Duke pleaded with the King for a “top role”, believing the responsibility and prestige with running the properties would offer him a way back into the fold.
Clear what Prince Andrew's role is - to make every other miscreant in the country feel better about themselves. At least they're not as much of a bell-end as the Duke of York.
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise paid for by taxpayers well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either. Both are rightly being refused
Why do you hate the NHS and their staff?
Morning all.
So trying to prevent moneygrubbing retired Doctors from extracting up to £3000 a day from the NHS is "hate"?
Indeed. This is an example of the studies of the scheme. I see the particularly imaginative use of the weather to argue that there really is a signal caused by restaurant usage.
Subsidising the spread of COVID-19: Evidence from the UK’S Eat-Out-to-Help-Out Scheme* Thiemo Fetzer The Economic Journal, Volume 132, Issue 643, April 2022, Pages 1200–1217, https://doi.org/10.1093/ej/ueab074
Abstract
This paper documents that a large-scale government subsidy aimed at encouraging people to eat out in restaurants in the wake of the first 2020 COVID-19 wave in the United Kingdom has had a significant causal impact on new cases, accelerating the subsequent second COVID-19 wave. The scheme subsidised 50% off the cost of food and non-alcoholic drinks for an unlimited number of visits in participating restaurants on Mondays–Wednesdays from 3–31 August 2020. Areas with higher take-up saw both a notable increase in new COVID-19 infection clusters within a week of the scheme starting and a deceleration in infections within two weeks of the program ending. Similarly, areas that exhibited notable rainfall during the prime lunch and dinner hours on the days the scheme was active record lower infection incidence—a pattern that is also measurable in mobility data—and non-detectable on days during which the discount was not available or for rainfall outside the core lunch and dinner hours.
I don't think this will/should have any traction. Everyone knew there is a trade off between increased infections vs economic and social gain with Eat Out to Help Out. Many of us needed something like that for our mental health. Of course it lead to increased spread as more people met and that is how covid spreads.....
Except the consequence of that was that we entered the autumn with a higher baseline number of cases, so we had less room for covid cases to increase until we hit the threshold where the only thing we could do was lock down.
The stringency and duration of the UK lockdown at the beginning of 2021 was unusually serve compared with nearby countries. Check https://ourworldindata.org/covid-stringency-index for January 2021. We started relaxing sooner but from a very tight set of restrictions. In part that was because of the strategy of trying to run Covid hot.
The Telegraph might actually cause Sunak inadvertent trouble here. They want to laud him as the man who opposed lockdowns. (Eat out scheme, bringing the Gt Barrington people to brief Downing St). But they risk implicating him in the Great Covid Screwup.
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise paid for by taxpayers well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either. Both are rightly being refused
Oh America, the GOP would be proscribed in the UK.
South Carolina Republicans have introduced a bill that would allow women to be executed if they have an abortion. The bill is also vague enough to potentially include miscarriages.
It absolutely is. But they also have a written constitution which is a rather ridiculous and somewhat out of date document which includes the right to free speech. I do not think this law will survive challenge. If our Parliament were so mad as to do something similar it would be more difficult.
Have you not seen the current make up of SCOTUS?
Edit, sorry wrong court. The current make up of SCOTUS is indeed a concern.
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise paid for by taxpayers well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either. Both are rightly being refused
Fair go. We are not obliged to cover striking colleagues. I might just stay at home instead.
Personally, I have been asking for Time Off In Lieu rather than pay, partly for tax reasons, and in part it doesn't get management off the hook.
God I am so bored of this. Is there anyone left who really cares? I mean, I get the use of this tedium to undermine any Johnson come back but that looks increasingly unlikely in any event. And the agony of going through this again.
Boris lied. We all know he did. There is nothing left to prove. He was driven out of office by his lies. Enough.
He is still second favourite for next leader of the establishment party so yes, we care.
Three observations:
Why do we allow senior politicians to use Whatsapp in this way? What is the point of security clearance anymore?
Might Hancock be guilty of breaking Official Secrets Act by giving all his Whatsapp to Oakeshott?
It seems dozens of civil servants and advisers directly knew the PM was lying to parliament, not one spoke publicly. Do they not have a legal/moral duty to whistleblow here?
We should care. We should care there are people so stupid they wil back the return of Boris Johnson as PM with hard cash.
Oh America, the GOP would be proscribed in the UK.
South Carolina Republicans have introduced a bill that would allow women to be executed if they have an abortion. The bill is also vague enough to potentially include miscarriages.
Abortion was illegal in the UK and we had capital punishment until the 1960s. Though obviously not the latter for the former and zero chance of this proposal actually becoming law
The comment was about the prescription of the Republican Party if it were in the U.K. not sure how your reply addresses that, but you be you, HY
Oh America, the GOP would be proscribed in the UK.
South Carolina Republicans have introduced a bill that would allow women to be executed if they have an abortion. The bill is also vague enough to potentially include miscarriages.
It absolutely is. But they also have a written constitution which is a rather ridiculous and somewhat out of date document which includes the right to free speech. I do not think this law will survive challenge. If our Parliament were so mad as to do something similar it would be more difficult.
Unfortunately they also have a supreme Court which is quite capricious as to whether it will hear a case or not; logic need not apply.
I hope they would not slope shoulders on this one, but ...
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise paid for by taxpayers well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either. Both are rightly being refused
Why do you hate the NHS and their staff?
I don't, I don't even have a problem with them getting a 6% payrise ie the national average.
I do have a problem with consultants demanding to be paid 3 times their salary for shifts by taxpayers and junior doctors demanding over 4 times the national payrise also paid for by taxpayers!
Overnight shifts always pay more.
Why don’t you believe in free markets?
Real Tories believe in free markets, lefties like you want the government to control wages.
Rubbish, many many companies don't pay shift allowances nowadays, limited to public area and the ex public companies. Most private companies pay little or nothing extra.
Go right ahead. We have no obligation to cover absences.
God I am so bored of this. Is there anyone left who really cares? I mean, I get the use of this tedium to undermine any Johnson come back but that looks increasingly unlikely in any event. And the agony of going through this again.
Boris lied. We all know he did. There is nothing left to prove. He was driven out of office by his lies. Enough.
He is still second favourite for next leader of the establishment party so yes, we care.
Three observations:
Why do we allow senior politicians to use Whatsapp in this way? What is the point of security clearance anymore?
Might Hancock be guilty of breaking Official Secrets Act by giving all his Whatsapp to Oakeshott?
It seems dozens of civil servants and advisers directly knew the PM was lying to parliament, not one spoke publicly. Do they not have a legal/moral duty to whistleblow here?
Surely too a breach of GPDR to hand over conversations to a 3rd party without permission from all in the conversation?
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise paid for by taxpayers well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either. Both are rightly being refused
The justification is that the consultants have rightly observed that there is no one else to cover junior doctors.
Demand is high, supply is low, so the price…why do I have to explain this? I thought you Conservatives were the economically literate party?
Indeed. This is an example of the studies of the scheme. I see the particularly imaginative use of the weather to argue that there really is a signal caused by restaurant usage.
Subsidising the spread of COVID-19: Evidence from the UK’S Eat-Out-to-Help-Out Scheme* Thiemo Fetzer The Economic Journal, Volume 132, Issue 643, April 2022, Pages 1200–1217, https://doi.org/10.1093/ej/ueab074
Abstract
This paper documents that a large-scale government subsidy aimed at encouraging people to eat out in restaurants in the wake of the first 2020 COVID-19 wave in the United Kingdom has had a significant causal impact on new cases, accelerating the subsequent second COVID-19 wave. The scheme subsidised 50% off the cost of food and non-alcoholic drinks for an unlimited number of visits in participating restaurants on Mondays–Wednesdays from 3–31 August 2020. Areas with higher take-up saw both a notable increase in new COVID-19 infection clusters within a week of the scheme starting and a deceleration in infections within two weeks of the program ending. Similarly, areas that exhibited notable rainfall during the prime lunch and dinner hours on the days the scheme was active record lower infection incidence—a pattern that is also measurable in mobility data—and non-detectable on days during which the discount was not available or for rainfall outside the core lunch and dinner hours.
I don't think this will/should have any traction. Everyone knew there is a trade off between increased infections vs economic and social gain with Eat Out to Help Out. Many of us needed something like that for our mental health. Of course it lead to increased spread as more people met and that is how covid spreads.....
"Everyone knew": sure, if they had any brains. But that conversation shows it was being deliberately suppressed. Hancock was actually right.
Not focussing on something is not the same as suppressing it. Everyone knew. The balance between the two was widely discussed on here, in the media and socially generally. It was a balance call not a good/bad call.
There were a lot of people at the time claiming, (a) that everyone had already caught Covid and we all had immunity, and, (b) that all Covid transmission was happening in private homes and restaurants were a safe environment.
If we'd had an evidence-based approach to the situation we would have focused on encouraging people to meet others outside, in the summer weather, preferably as part of some sort of exercise-based activity. Instead parkrun was still shut down, and people were being subsidised to eat inside at restaurants. It was completely moronic.
Indeed. This is an example of the studies of the scheme. I see the particularly imaginative use of the weather to argue that there really is a signal caused by restaurant usage.
Subsidising the spread of COVID-19: Evidence from the UK’S Eat-Out-to-Help-Out Scheme* Thiemo Fetzer The Economic Journal, Volume 132, Issue 643, April 2022, Pages 1200–1217, https://doi.org/10.1093/ej/ueab074
Abstract
This paper documents that a large-scale government subsidy aimed at encouraging people to eat out in restaurants in the wake of the first 2020 COVID-19 wave in the United Kingdom has had a significant causal impact on new cases, accelerating the subsequent second COVID-19 wave. The scheme subsidised 50% off the cost of food and non-alcoholic drinks for an unlimited number of visits in participating restaurants on Mondays–Wednesdays from 3–31 August 2020. Areas with higher take-up saw both a notable increase in new COVID-19 infection clusters within a week of the scheme starting and a deceleration in infections within two weeks of the program ending. Similarly, areas that exhibited notable rainfall during the prime lunch and dinner hours on the days the scheme was active record lower infection incidence—a pattern that is also measurable in mobility data—and non-detectable on days during which the discount was not available or for rainfall outside the core lunch and dinner hours.
I don't think this will/should have any traction. Everyone knew there is a trade off between increased infections vs economic and social gain with Eat Out to Help Out. Many of us needed something like that for our mental health. Of course it lead to increased spread as more people met and that is how covid spreads.....
Except the consequence of that was that we entered the autumn with a higher baseline number of cases, so we had less room for covid cases to increase until we hit the threshold where the only thing we could do was lock down.
The stringency and duration of the UK lockdown at the beginning of 2021 was unusually serve compared with nearby countries. Check https://ourworldindata.org/covid-stringency-index for January 2021. We started relaxing sooner but from a very tight set of restrictions. In part that was because of the strategy of trying to run Covid hot.
The Telegraph might actually cause Sunak inadvertent trouble here. They want to laud him as the man who opposed lockdowns. (Eat out scheme, bringing the Gt Barrington people to brief Downing St). But they risk implicating him in the Great Covid Screwup.
I know all that, and knew at the time that increasing socialisation in the summer of 2020 would cause increased risks for winter 2020/1 but still broadly supported eat out to help out. It was important socially and psychologically for many.
Completely fair enough if others disagree with that judgment, I'll probably be in the minority, especially with hindsight and clear data about infections and very little on mental health, but I fail to see how this can be anywhere near the top 10 mistakes we already know the govt have made in handling the pandemic.
I would prefer it if people stayed on topic but it is none of my business. It is not easy to find comments relating to the article. Boris' flippancy regarding the pandemic shows the truth of the situation. The whatsapp messages also show this. The whole covid response was political and they knew only a small section of the population were at risk. Rather than partygate there needs to be an investigation into where Sage and the Cabinet Office were taking there orders from in pushing for draconian lockdowns even when the evidence all said otherwise.
I would prefer it if people stayed on topic but it is none of my business. It is not easy to find comments relating to the article. Boris' flippancy regarding the pandemic shows the truth of the situation. The whatsapp messages also show this. The whole covid response was political and they knew only a small section of the population were at risk. Rather than partygate there needs to be an investigation into where Sage and the Cabinet Office were taking there orders from in pushing for draconian lockdowns even when the evidence all said otherwise.
Rishi Sunak Matt, people are saying you’ve given all of our WhatsApps to a newspaper. Matt Hancock OMG what? I’d never be so stupid. Rishi Sunak Phew. Matt Hancock No, I gave them to Isabel Oakeshott. Rishi Sunak Oh dear. Gavin Williamson For God’s sake, Matt. What did you think was going to happen? People don’t change! Dominic Cummings Bit rich from you. Boris Johnson Bit rich from you. Rishi Sunak Bit rich from you. Matt Hancock Guys, relax. We have a deal about the messages. They’re safe. Dominic Cummings Is it a protective ring? Boris Johnson We’re screwed.
Prince Andrew demands mansion 'fit for a king' and disgraced royal wants 'top role'
Duke of York is refusing to leave the palatial 30-bedroom Windsor home after King Charles informed him of planned budget cuts to the royal finances….
… Andrew, 63, has even offered to run some of the most prestigious estates in the Royal Family’s portfolio, including the late Queen’s beloved Balmoral Castle in Aberdeenshire.
Sources have revealed how the Duke pleaded with the King for a “top role”, believing the responsibility and prestige with running the properties would offer him a way back into the fold.
Dr. Foxy, aye, people will be rightly pissed off that conversations they thought private have now been handed over to a journalist.
WhatsApp: proof not even the most powerful encryption can survive being Hancocked.
Welcome to PB, Mr. 1889. The Sage line is interesting, as they seemed all in favour of lockdowns in general. One of the things Boris Johnson got right, late on, was pushing back against this when a sort of pre-emptive lockdown (at a time when people were vaccinated and the lethality of the disease had declined significantly) was sought by Sage.
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise paid for by taxpayers well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either. Both are rightly being refused
Why do you hate the NHS and their staff?
I don't, I don't even have a problem with them getting a 6% payrise ie the national average.
I do have a problem with consultants demanding to be paid 3 times their salary for shifts by taxpayers and junior doctors demanding over 4 times the national payrise also paid for by taxpayers!
Overnight shifts always pay more.
Why don’t you believe in free markets?
Real Tories believe in free markets, lefties like you want the government to control wages.
Rubbish, many many companies don't pay shift allowances nowadays, limited to public area and the ex public companies. Most private companies pay little or nothing extra.
Go right ahead. We have no obligation to cover absences.
Absolutely , they should make an offer and then if they are short of staff it is just stuff for their customers. However it will not improve public perception that Doctor's are almost missing in action as it is , certainly not a time to be ill. The NHS model needs changing big time.
It's interesting that, if you look at the historical chart for parkrun, you can see that Covid has done real and lasting damage to participation. Bearing in mind that it is a very low-risk activity in terms of transmission of respiratory illnesses, in the open, that improves fitness, it's a change that should seriously worry us.
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise paid for by taxpayers well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either. Both are rightly being refused
Why do you hate the NHS and their staff?
Why do you love inflation?
What's that got to do with anything? If the state doesn't want to spend so much money on doctors, it can learn to do without so many doctors. Otherwise, the going rate is what it's always been; how much do you have to offer to get the quantity and quality of staff you need.
It is a bit galling, when London is full of jobs where people are paid huge salaries and bonuses which, let's face it, aren't easy to justify. Unfortunately, since at least Blair and probably Thatcher, the UK's business model has been to be a base for high finance in the hope that their taxes can subsidise the rest of us. For a while now, that hasn't looked like a stable solution.
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise paid for by taxpayers well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either. Both are rightly being refused
Why do you hate the NHS and their staff?
Why do you love inflation?
What's that got to do with anything? If the state doesn't want to spend so much money on doctors, it can learn to do without so many doctors. Otherwise, the going rate is what it's always been; how much do you have to offer to get the quantity and quality of staff you need.
It is a bit galling, when London is full of jobs where people are paid huge salaries and bonuses which, let's face it, aren't easy to justify. Unfortunately, since at least Blair and probably Thatcher, the UK's business model has been to be a base for high finance in the hope that their taxes can subsidise the rest of us. For a while now, that hasn't looked like a stable solution.
I would prefer it if people stayed on topic but it is none of my business. It is not easy to find comments relating to the article. Boris' flippancy regarding the pandemic shows the truth of the situation. The whatsapp messages also show this. The whole covid response was political and they knew only a small section of the population were at risk. Rather than partygate there needs to be an investigation into where Sage and the Cabinet Office were taking there orders from in pushing for draconian lockdowns even when the evidence all said otherwise.
It helped them milk the public purse for themselves and family and friends.
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise paid for by taxpayers well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either. Both are rightly being refused
God I am so bored of this. Is there anyone left who really cares? I mean, I get the use of this tedium to undermine any Johnson come back but that looks increasingly unlikely in any event. And the agony of going through this again.
Boris lied. We all know he did. There is nothing left to prove. He was driven out of office by his lies. Enough.
It shines a light on the government's true attitude to covid. Fauci said recently that natural immunity provides better protection than the vaccinations. Most people were not at risk and so infection in the community provides a barrier to halt the spread. There never was any justification for the lockdowns or the vaccine passports. Most PCR test positives were false positives, and deliberately so.
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise paid for by taxpayers well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either. Both are rightly being refused
The justification is that the consultants have rightly observed that there is no one else to cover junior doctors.
Demand is high, supply is low, so the price…why do I have to explain this? I thought you Conservatives were the economically literate party?
These are the standard BMA rates card for extra work above contract, and apply at all times, so are not specific to this or any other strike.
Of course staff might be more amenable to work if the basic salary wasn't a real terms pay cut of 8%, but that is where the whole thing started.
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise paid for by taxpayers well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either. Both are rightly being refused
The justification is that the consultants have rightly observed that there is no one else to cover junior doctors.
Demand is high, supply is low, so the price…why do I have to explain this? I thought you Conservatives were the economically literate party?
So they demand 3 times their basic pay? Well I suppose consultants detached houses in Surrey, Michelin starred meals, sports cars, boarding school fees and holidays in Tuscany and the Caribbean and Maldives don't pay for themselves, even if it is taxpayers struggling with cost of living who have to pay for them!
God I am so bored of this. Is there anyone left who really cares? I mean, I get the use of this tedium to undermine any Johnson come back but that looks increasingly unlikely in any event. And the agony of going through this again.
Boris lied. We all know he did. There is nothing left to prove. He was driven out of office by his lies. Enough.
It shines a light on the government's true attitude to covid. Fauci said recently that natural immunity provides better protection than the vaccinations. Most people were not at risk and so infection in the community provides a barrier to halt the spread. There never was any justification for the lockdowns or the vaccine passports. Most PCR test positives were false positives, and deliberately so.
Indeed. This is an example of the studies of the scheme. I see the particularly imaginative use of the weather to argue that there really is a signal caused by restaurant usage.
Subsidising the spread of COVID-19: Evidence from the UK’S Eat-Out-to-Help-Out Scheme* Thiemo Fetzer The Economic Journal, Volume 132, Issue 643, April 2022, Pages 1200–1217, https://doi.org/10.1093/ej/ueab074
Abstract
This paper documents that a large-scale government subsidy aimed at encouraging people to eat out in restaurants in the wake of the first 2020 COVID-19 wave in the United Kingdom has had a significant causal impact on new cases, accelerating the subsequent second COVID-19 wave. The scheme subsidised 50% off the cost of food and non-alcoholic drinks for an unlimited number of visits in participating restaurants on Mondays–Wednesdays from 3–31 August 2020. Areas with higher take-up saw both a notable increase in new COVID-19 infection clusters within a week of the scheme starting and a deceleration in infections within two weeks of the program ending. Similarly, areas that exhibited notable rainfall during the prime lunch and dinner hours on the days the scheme was active record lower infection incidence—a pattern that is also measurable in mobility data—and non-detectable on days during which the discount was not available or for rainfall outside the core lunch and dinner hours.
I don't think this will/should have any traction. Everyone knew there is a trade off between increased infections vs economic and social gain with Eat Out to Help Out. Many of us needed something like that for our mental health. Of course it lead to increased spread as more people met and that is how covid spreads.....
"Everyone knew": sure, if they had any brains. But that conversation shows it was being deliberately suppressed. Hancock was actually right.
Not focussing on something is not the same as suppressing it. Everyone knew. The balance between the two was widely discussed on here, in the media and socially generally. It was a balance call not a good/bad call.
There were a lot of people at the time claiming, (a) that everyone had already caught Covid and we all had immunity, and, (b) that all Covid transmission was happening in private homes and restaurants were a safe environment.
If we'd had an evidence-based approach to the situation we would have focused on encouraging people to meet others outside, in the summer weather, preferably as part of some sort of exercise-based activity. Instead parkrun was still shut down, and people were being subsidised to eat inside at restaurants. It was completely moronic.
The fact that we have lots of idiots who believe weird things does not mean it was a bad, let alone terrible policy.
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise paid for by taxpayers well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either. Both are rightly being refused
The justification is that the consultants have rightly observed that there is no one else to cover junior doctors.
Demand is high, supply is low, so the price…why do I have to explain this? I thought you Conservatives were the economically literate party?
These are the standard BMA rates card for extra work above contract, and apply at all times, so are not specific to this or any other strike.
Of course staff might be more amenable to work if the basic salary wasn't a real terms pay cut of 8%, but that is where the whole thing started.
Junior doctors also want a 26% payrise, ie over 4 times the average national payrise and 16% more than inflation
God I am so bored of this. Is there anyone left who really cares? I mean, I get the use of this tedium to undermine any Johnson come back but that looks increasingly unlikely in any event. And the agony of going through this again.
Boris lied. We all know he did. There is nothing left to prove. He was driven out of office by his lies. Enough.
It shines a light on the government's true attitude to covid. Fauci said recently that natural immunity provides better protection than the vaccinations. Most people were not at risk and so infection in the community provides a barrier to halt the spread. There never was any justification for the lockdowns or the vaccine passports. Most PCR test positives were false positives, and deliberately so.
So you are anti vaccinations then
This particular Moscow dynamo came in anti vax studs up from post one. Some manage forty to fifty posts before the hammer falls.
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise paid for by taxpayers well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either. Both are rightly being refused
The justification is that the consultants have rightly observed that there is no one else to cover junior doctors.
Demand is high, supply is low, so the price…why do I have to explain this? I thought you Conservatives were the economically literate party?
So they demand 3 times their basic pay? Well I suppose consultants detached houses in Surrey, Michelin starred meals, sports cars, boarding school fees and holidays in Tuscany and the Caribbean and Maldives don't pay for themselves, even if it is taxpayers struggling with cost of living who have to pay for then!
No, they are merely asking for the rate they usually charge for work outside contract, which this is. If you treated junior doctors properly then this wouldn’t happen. Why should consultants charge less than they would normally for off contract work just bail the Tory Party out of the hole it has created for the country?
The Conservatives should look for ways of fixing the problem instead of searching for scapegoats like doctors, nurses, civil servants, remainers, lawyers, the EU, immigrants, the last Labour Govt etc etc
Have to say Rishi seems to be coming out well from all of the WhatsApp leaks. Vindicated by his early anti lockdown stance and opposing the clearly power crazed Hancock and other DoH wankers who ruined everyone's lives.
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise paid for by taxpayers well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either. Both are rightly being refused
The justification is that the consultants have rightly observed that there is no one else to cover junior doctors.
Demand is high, supply is low, so the price…why do I have to explain this? I thought you Conservatives were the economically literate party?
These are the standard BMA rates card for extra work above contract, and apply at all times, so are not specific to this or any other strike.
Of course staff might be more amenable to work if the basic salary wasn't a real terms pay cut of 8%, but that is where the whole thing started.
Junior doctors also want a 26% payrise, ie over 4 times the average national payrise and 16% more than inflation
They have had a real terms pay cut of that over the last decade, and what they are wanting is pay restoration to that level over a few years.
I thought Tories were in favour of a high skill, high wage economy, with domestic workers protected.
There is no justification for consultants demanding 3 times their basic pay during the junior doctors' strike or for junior doctors demanding a 26% rise well in excess of the 6% average national payrise either
It’s called ‘supply and demand’ Hyufd. In scarcities prices go up.
Have to say Rishi seems to be coming out well from all of the WhatsApp leaks. Vindicated by his early anti lockdown stance and opposing the clearly power crazed Hancock and other DoH wankers who ruined everyone's lives.
I think attention might turn to Eat Out to Help Out (an unfortunate slogan at the best of times) quite soon…
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A new bill introduced in the Florida legislature would require “bloggers who write about Gov. Ron DeSantis, Attorney General Ashley Moody, and other members of the Florida executive cabinet or legislature to register with the state or face fines.”
https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1631415919749615616
South Carolina Republicans have introduced a bill that would allow women to be executed if they have an abortion. The bill is also vague enough to potentially include miscarriages.
https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1631661957735669761
However, the committee said that its work over the past ten months had been slowed because the government had tried to withhold evidence. In August, when Johnson was still prime minister, the government supplied “documents which were so heavily redacted as to render them devoid of any evidential value”, the committee said. Eventually in November, when Sunak was prime minister, “unredacted disclosure . . . was finally provided”.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mps-could-punish-boris-johnson-with-suspension-smkpswshq
F1: very nicely setup ahead of third practice and first qualifying of the year (starts at 3pm).
One downside is that, from what I've heard (didn't watch practice live) Stroll really shouldn't be in the car and his wrist pain is causing him problems.
Mr. Eagles, "Nadine Dorries will lose her shit if Boris Johnson gets suspended. "
How dreadful.
Only way to be sure.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/mar/03/west-ham-used-club-money-to-donate-conservative-party-2022
Pretty bubbles in the air,
They fly so high, nearly reach the sky,
Then like my dreams they fade and die.
Truss
That DeSantis bill is rather.... tyrannical.
"You haff been blogging about ze leader. Your name vill also go on ze list!"
https://mobile.twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/1631640387688312837
Important to remember what Boris Johnson said about Sue Gray's report at the time. How "profoundly grateful" he was, how "humbled", how fully he "accepted responsibility", "looked in the mirror" and "learned lessons".
Democratic AGs slam DeSantis for seeking info on college students receiving gender-affirming care
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3883632-democratic-ags-slam-desantis-for-seeking-info-on-college-students-receiving-gender-affirming-care/
The man’s mental development stopped at age 15. He is a delinquent.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64827246
Not only did he do his old wanting to be a celeb by going on reality but he handed over huge amounts of sensitive info to a wildcard journo.
I hope he hasn’t blown all his jungle money as I don’t think he’s going to be the catch he thought he would be when it comes to future paid roles and gigs.
https://academic.oup.com/ej/article/132/643/1200/6382847
Subsidising the spread of COVID-19: Evidence from the UK’S Eat-Out-to-Help-Out Scheme*
Thiemo Fetzer
The Economic Journal, Volume 132, Issue 643, April 2022, Pages 1200–1217, https://doi.org/10.1093/ej/ueab074
Abstract
This paper documents that a large-scale government subsidy aimed at encouraging people to eat out in restaurants in the wake of the first 2020 COVID-19 wave in the United Kingdom has had a significant causal impact on new cases, accelerating the subsequent second COVID-19 wave. The scheme subsidised 50% off the cost of food and non-alcoholic drinks for an unlimited number of visits in participating restaurants on Mondays–Wednesdays from 3–31 August 2020. Areas with higher take-up saw both a notable increase in new COVID-19 infection clusters within a week of the scheme starting and a deceleration in infections within two weeks of the program ending. Similarly, areas that exhibited notable rainfall during the prime lunch and dinner hours on the days the scheme was active record lower infection incidence—a pattern that is also measurable in mobility data—and non-detectable on days during which the discount was not available or for rainfall outside the core lunch and dinner hours.
‘So, ladies and gentlemen, you’ve all heard the correct ways to do things. To demonstrate what happens when you don’t follow basic procedures here is Matt Hancock who will tell you his methods. At the end we will show you a montage of newspaper reports demonstrating the results of these methods.’
Boris lied. We all know he did. There is nothing left to prove. He was driven out of office by his lies. Enough.
Plus he won’t have to pay NI.
https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1631679420195917825?s=20
I suppose that could apply to Sunak but I’m thinking particularly of Case and Acland-Hood.
Prince Andrew demands mansion 'fit for a king' and disgraced royal wants 'top role'
Duke of York is refusing to leave the palatial 30-bedroom Windsor home after King Charles informed him of planned budget cuts to the royal finances….
… Andrew, 63, has even offered to run some of the most prestigious estates in the Royal Family’s portfolio, including the late Queen’s beloved Balmoral Castle in Aberdeenshire.
Sources have revealed how the Duke pleaded with the King for a “top role”, believing the responsibility and prestige with running the properties would offer him a way back into the fold.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-andrew-demands-mansion-fit-29369297.amp
I do have a problem with consultants demanding to be paid 3 times their salary for shifts by taxpayers and junior doctors demanding over 4 times the national payrise also paid for by taxpayers!
https://www.ft.com/content/40a0f9c1-3be1-4973-a473-3893a1675d28 (£££)
Bloody Gordon Brown, screwing up City regulators.
Three observations:
Why do we allow senior politicians to use Whatsapp in this way? What is the point of security clearance anymore?
Might Hancock be guilty of breaking Official Secrets Act by giving all his Whatsapp to Oakeshott?
It seems dozens of civil servants and advisers directly knew the PM was lying to parliament, not one spoke publicly. Do they not have a legal/moral duty to whistleblow here?
That's not to say we shouldn't examine what happened, but in some instances judging with hindsight decisions made in a live situation the likes of which had not been seen for a century will be rather unfair.
Prince Andrew demands mansion 'fit for a king' and disgraced royal wants 'top role'
Duke of York is refusing to leave the palatial 30-bedroom Windsor home after King Charles informed him of planned budget cuts to the royal finances….
… Andrew, 63, has even offered to run some of the most prestigious estates in the Royal Family’s portfolio, including the late Queen’s beloved Balmoral Castle in Aberdeenshire.
Sources have revealed how the Duke pleaded with the King for a “top role”, believing the responsibility and prestige with running the properties would offer him a way back into the fold.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-andrew-demands-mansion-fit-29369297.am
Why don’t you believe in free markets?
Real Tories believe in free markets, lefties like you want the government to control wages.
The NHS is an arm of the state paid for by taxpayers. If NHS doctors and consultants really want to work in the free market they can move to Harley Street and go private. Only if healthcare was solely funded by patients with private health insurance not taxpayers would it be a genuine free market
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The move is the latest in a growing trend by Trump and others on the far right of US politics to embrace the January 6 attack on the Capitol as a political cause and portray many of those who carried it out as protesters being persecuted by the state.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/03/donald-trump-song-charity-single-january-6-prisoners
The "song" in question: Justice for All · Donald J. Trump · J6 Prison Choir
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhXDz_ZTMfQ
So trying to prevent moneygrubbing retired Doctors from extracting up to £3000 a day from the NHS is "hate"?
Pull the other one, @TSE.
The stringency and duration of the UK lockdown at the beginning of 2021 was unusually serve compared with nearby countries. Check https://ourworldindata.org/covid-stringency-index for January 2021. We started relaxing sooner but from a very tight set of restrictions. In part that was because of the strategy of trying to run Covid hot.
The Telegraph might actually cause Sunak inadvertent trouble here. They want to laud him as the man who opposed lockdowns. (Eat out scheme, bringing the Gt Barrington people to brief Downing St). But they risk implicating him in the Great Covid Screwup.
Personally, I have been asking for Time Off In Lieu rather than pay, partly for tax reasons, and in part it doesn't get management off the hook.
Milk them.
I hope they would not slope shoulders on this one, but ...
Demand is high, supply is low, so the price…why do I have to explain this? I thought you Conservatives were the economically literate party?
If we'd had an evidence-based approach to the situation we would have focused on encouraging people to meet others outside, in the summer weather, preferably as part of some sort of exercise-based activity. Instead parkrun was still shut down, and people were being subsidised to eat inside at restaurants. It was completely moronic.
Completely fair enough if others disagree with that judgment, I'll probably be in the minority, especially with hindsight and clear data about infections and very little on mental health, but I fail to see how this can be anywhere near the top 10 mistakes we already know the govt have made in handling the pandemic.
Boris' flippancy regarding the pandemic shows the truth of the situation. The whatsapp messages also show this. The whole covid response was political and they knew only a small section of the population were at risk. Rather than partygate there needs to be an investigation into where Sage and the Cabinet Office were taking there orders from in pushing for draconian lockdowns even when the evidence all said otherwise.
Matt Hancock OMG what? I’d never be so stupid.
Rishi Sunak Phew.
Matt Hancock No, I gave them to Isabel Oakeshott.
Rishi Sunak Oh dear.
Gavin Williamson For God’s sake, Matt. What did you think was going to happen? People don’t change!
Dominic Cummings Bit rich from you.
Boris Johnson Bit rich from you.
Rishi Sunak Bit rich from you.
Matt Hancock Guys, relax. We have a deal about the messages. They’re safe.
Dominic Cummings Is it a protective ring?
Boris Johnson We’re screwed.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/my-week-matt-hancocks-whatsapp-dx3dvgm98
WhatsApp: proof not even the most powerful encryption can survive being Hancocked.
Welcome to PB, Mr. 1889. The Sage line is interesting, as they seemed all in favour of lockdowns in general. One of the things Boris Johnson got right, late on, was pushing back against this when a sort of pre-emptive lockdown (at a time when people were vaccinated and the lethality of the disease had declined significantly) was sought by Sage.
https://www.parkrun.org.uk/results/historicalchart/
The restaurant industry. Not so much.
It is a bit galling, when London is full of jobs where people are paid huge salaries and bonuses which, let's face it, aren't easy to justify. Unfortunately, since at least Blair and probably Thatcher, the UK's business model has been to be a base for high finance in the hope that their taxes can subsidise the rest of us. For a while now, that hasn't looked like a stable solution.
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Andy_JS said:
Noticed this on the Spectator front page.
"Sean Thomas
How to see Bangkok without the crowds
There's never been a better time to visit the Thai capital"
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-to-see-bangkok-without-the-crowds/
More Judith Chalmers than Sean Flynn.”
Judith Chalmers, you say?
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-we-forgot-about-pol-pot/
Fauci said recently that natural immunity provides better protection than the vaccinations.
Most people were not at risk and so infection in the community provides a barrier to halt the spread. There never was any justification for the lockdowns or the vaccine passports.
Most PCR test positives were false positives, and deliberately so.
Of course staff might be more amenable to work if the basic salary wasn't a real terms pay cut of 8%, but that is where the whole thing started.
pay for themselves, even if it is taxpayers struggling with cost of living who have to pay for them!
The bans on outdoor sport were clearly bad imo.
I wonder what the day will bring.
Well he was right about something.
The Conservatives should look for ways of fixing the problem instead of searching for scapegoats like doctors, nurses, civil servants, remainers, lawyers, the EU, immigrants, the last Labour Govt etc etc
I thought Tories were in favour of a high skill, high wage economy, with domestic workers protected.