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  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,355
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    I studied Environmental Science for some time. Venison is one of the best meats we could eat in the UK, nothing woke about it.
    It's Woke. You're a child

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    It's the sort of meat Greens and Lefties offer as an "alternative" to their veganism, and isn't very popular.

    Trust me, it's Woke.
    This sounds quite deranged to be honest.
    I used to like vension.

    It's been destroyed by the brand. Idiotic fellow travellers, like you.
    It's food.

    It's taste hasn't changed. It's calorie count hasn't changed. It's texture and the way it's cooked hasn't changed.

    Food doesn't have opinions.

    To quote MJ Hibbett in The Lesson of the Smiths:

    "Just because a bunch of wankers like it, doesn't mean that it's shit"
    The people that select the food you are able to purchase have opinions, that's the problem. And the taste absolutely does change if your choice is restricted.

    And food is so much more than raw calories.

    So much more.
    The MJ Hibbett quote is appropriate. Morrissey is a dick. He produced an album called Meat is Murder, which puts him pretty high on the wanker scale.

    But you know what? He made some good music.

    Just because a bunch of woke people promote venison doesn't lessen it as a food.
    It's restricted the choice at one of my favourite pubs. And I am royally pissed off.

    That's what I object to.

    If someone tries and tells me what to do I am liable to do the exact opposite, and then turn it up to eleven to spite them and teach them a lesson.
    It's not the venison you object to, it's the restriction of other choices.

    Which is perfectly reasonable. But that doesn't make venison in any way wrong or woke.
    I can see where Casino is coming from. He's rebelling against the woke showing him to eat venison but forbidding him from eating beef, pork, etc.

    I'm on a restricted diet for the next few days before a colonoscopy, and I'm starting to resent all the foods I'm allowed to eat.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,214
    I try not to get annoyed about menus but I must admit that a non-meat item which is labelled "for the vegetarian" is at the top of my short list.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812
    So presumably Verstappen is once again going to race away in a car more powerful and faster than anyone else's?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822
    Stocky said:

    Unpicking the assertion that venison is "woke" has occupied me for longer than I expected this afternoon.

    Aside from an award for extending this now-useless term to new, non-human boundaries I think where CR is coming from is this: being confronted with a menu where the choice is either 1) plant-based (why advertise that FFS. Just give each dish its title?) or 2) meat only from a source which can be regarded as "poncey" = a combined offering almost calculated to annoy on a mass scale.

    So I think it's the virtue-signally, pretentious menu that annoys rather than venison per se.

    Sorted that out. No thanks needed.

    I am a simple soul who would generally order beef or chicken at most pubs so would also prefer a menu with them on.

    However, if I go to an establishment which does not offer them, I assume that is because of market forces and the wishes of other customers, rather than assuming the owners of the pub are trying to offend their clientele. Perhaps I am too simple to see through their dastardly plan.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,214

    A vegan and venison pub in Alresford seems like a “brave” business strategy.

    Yes, and incompatible of course. Perhaps the venison is "plant-based"?
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I’ve started a new role which means firstly that I’ve hardly had time to check the news this week, and secondly that posting will be “lite” for some time.

    Did the Hancock WhatsApp leak actually reveal anything of interest?

    Not really. It just confirmed that the inner workings of a tory government are as banal and lackwitted as one would expect.

    No Sunak kompromat yet but we live in hope,
    Sunak is too boring for kompromat.
    The man likes Coca Cola and Star Wars. His hinterland stretches to the end of his walk-in, under-lit, wardrobe
    Nothing wrong with that.
    Yes there is. His cultural curiosity seems to have stopped aged about 13.
    If someone finds what they like at 13 and happily enjoys that the rest of his life, while following the law, being economically productive and raising kids into decent human beings, then that's great. Its better than a big chunk of the population.

    Stop being such an elitist arse. Not everyone needs to delight in Ethiopian food or Sumatran poetry. You are doing the same thing as Casino Royale, being so upset that others have different preferences to you that don't affect you one bit.
    I’m sorry, I don’t agree.
    People are better leaders if they a wider hinterland they can access.

    Sunak is a cultural man-child, and it’s one of the most/least interesting things about him. He may be the least culturally curious PM the country has ever had.
    You don't agree because you're just the type of latte liberal that doesn't actually embrace the mindset of genuine liberalism. You want everyone to be just like you and to sneer down at anyone that has different tastes and preferences.

    It doesn't matter whether someone enjoys listening to the Archers, rocking out to German thrash metal, collecting train serial numbers or strutting about their bedroom in women's lingerie. If they find something that let's them find flow and be emotionally balanced, then good for them. Far better than all the culturally chic social democrats that spend all day on the internet sneering at decent, upstanding people while dripping with mental health baggage.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,411



    I am sick and tired of you and your bullshit.

    You are a sad, cheeky, needy little shit who demeans this site daily with your bullshit shitposting and needy little appeals for friendship to anonymous posters you've never met and never will.

    It's fucking pathetic.

    etc.

    We all get some anonymous poster being rude to us at times, and we get over it. But your post is profoundly and unreasonably unpleasant about someone who has said they have mental health difficulties. You normally seem better than that. You might on reflection consider apologising?
    Nah, bollocks. I am fucking livid.

    He has consistently insulted, personally, me on here for MONTHS and hidden behind his mental health issues.

    What about my fucking mental health issues?

    Does he not think or consider how it affects me to be unfairly tarnished or insulted by him for months on end for having done nothing to provoke him except having different political opinions? For his incessant low level sniping and pathetic attempts at "alliance building" on here against me?

    Fuck off.

    If there's anyone who should be apologising it should be him - profusely. As well as YOU for having the fucking temerity for suggesting that I'm the problem.

    Dick.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,214

    Stocky said:

    Unpicking the assertion that venison is "woke" has occupied me for longer than I expected this afternoon.

    Aside from an award for extending this now-useless term to new, non-human boundaries I think where CR is coming from is this: being confronted with a menu where the choice is either 1) plant-based (why advertise that FFS. Just give each dish its title?) or 2) meat only from a source which can be regarded as "poncey" = a combined offering almost calculated to annoy on a mass scale.

    So I think it's the virtue-signally, pretentious menu that annoys rather than venison per se.

    Sorted that out. No thanks needed.

    I am a simple soul who would generally order beef or chicken at most pubs so would also prefer a menu with them on.

    However, if I go to an establishment which does not offer them, I assume that is because of market forces and the wishes of other customers, rather than assuming the owners of the pub are trying to offend their clientele. Perhaps I am too simple to see through their dastardly plan.
    I think you are being naive. I doubt it's market forces. Why venison anyway? Perhaps it's roadkill.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,660

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I’ve started a new role which means firstly that I’ve hardly had time to check the news this week, and secondly that posting will be “lite” for some time.

    Did the Hancock WhatsApp leak actually reveal anything of interest?

    Not really. It just confirmed that the inner workings of a tory government are as banal and lackwitted as one would expect.

    No Sunak kompromat yet but we live in hope,
    Sunak is too boring for kompromat.
    The man likes Coca Cola and Star Wars. His hinterland stretches to the end of his walk-in, under-lit, wardrobe
    Nothing wrong with that.
    Yes there is. His cultural curiosity seems to have stopped aged about 13.
    If someone finds what they like at 13 and happily enjoys that the rest of his life, while following the law, being economically productive and raising kids into decent human beings, then that's great. Its better than a big chunk of the population.

    Stop being such an elitist arse. Not everyone needs to delight in Ethiopian food or Sumatran poetry. You are doing the same thing as Casino Royale, being so upset that others have different preferences to you that don't affect you one bit.
    I’m sorry, I don’t agree.
    People are better leaders if they a wider hinterland they can access.

    Sunak is a cultural man-child, and it’s one of the most/least interesting things about him. He may be the least culturally curious PM the country has ever had.
    Its the mastermind candidates who's terrible at general knowledge effect. A rounded human needs to desire more than just pushing on up society's hierarchy.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,411
    Prick Farmer is a braindead Corbynite wankjockey.

    Discuss.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited March 2023
    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I’ve started a new role which means firstly that I’ve hardly had time to check the news this week, and secondly that posting will be “lite” for some time.

    Did the Hancock WhatsApp leak actually reveal anything of interest?

    Not really. It just confirmed that the inner workings of a tory government are as banal and lackwitted as one would expect.

    No Sunak kompromat yet but we live in hope,
    Sunak is too boring for kompromat.
    The man likes Coca Cola and Star Wars. His hinterland stretches to the end of his walk-in, under-lit, wardrobe
    Nothing wrong with that.
    Yes there is. His cultural curiosity seems to have stopped aged about 13.
    If someone finds what they like at 13 and happily enjoys that the rest of his life, while following the law, being economically productive and raising kids into decent human beings, then that's great. Its better than a big chunk of the population.

    Stop being such an elitist arse. Not everyone needs to delight in Ethiopian food or Sumatran poetry. You are doing the same thing as Casino Royale, being so upset that others have different preferences to you that don't affect you one bit.
    I’m sorry, I don’t agree.
    People are better leaders if they a wider hinterland they can access.

    Sunak is a cultural man-child, and it’s one of the most/least interesting things about him. He may be the least culturally curious PM the country has ever had.
    You don't agree because you're just the type of latte liberal that doesn't actually embrace the mindset of genuine liberalism. You want everyone to be just like you and to sneer down at anyone that has different tastes and preferences.

    It doesn't matter whether someone enjoys listening to the Archers, rocking out to German thrash metal, collecting train serial numbers or strutting about their bedroom in women's lingerie. If they find something that let's them find flow and be emotionally balanced, then good for them. Far better than all the culturally chic social democrats that spend all day on the internet sneering at decent, upstanding people while dripping with mental health baggage.
    Yet you seem to have a problem with “latte” liberals.

    People should definitely find flow and emotional balance, but if your cultural appetite ends at German thrash metal (to use one of your examples) than I’d argue you’re missing an aspect of what makes great leadership.
    (As well as living in some sense a culturally impoverished life).

    You clearly have your britches in a snizz on this subject.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,411
    I'd rather die in agony that apologise to that arsehole @CorrectHorseBattery3

    Fucking twat.

    He owes me about 3 million apologies before I even consider thinking about edging towards a first.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,748
    Carnyx said:

    Chris said:

    Carnyx said:

    Chris said:

    I’ve started a new role which means firstly that I’ve hardly had time to check the news this week, and secondly that posting will be “lite” for some time.

    Did the Hancock WhatsApp leak actually reveal anything of interest?

    As far as I can tell, the most dramatic revelation was that he had got some kind of official clearance to release all kinds of government-related correspondence to a journalist with the idea of making himself look good and/or making himself some money.

    And then he whined to high heaven when she published it for her own purposes.

    Generally the most interesting Hancock-related revelations remain:
    (1) that a pint is very nearly an armful and
    (2) that Magna Carta was a brave Hungarian girl peasant girl who played a crucial part in medieval licensing law.
    He had official clearance?!
    Matt or Tony?
    Mr M. Hancock.
    I managed to find the relevant whine from M. Hancock:
    ""Isabel and I had worked closely together for more than a year on my book, based on legal confidentiality and a process approved by the Cabinet Office. Isabel repeatedly reiterated the importance of trust throughout, and then broke that trust.""
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64818969
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    I studied Environmental Science for some time. Venison is one of the best meats we could eat in the UK, nothing woke about it.
    It's Woke. You're a child

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    It's the sort of meat Greens and Lefties offer as an "alternative" to their veganism, and isn't very popular.

    Trust me, it's Woke.
    This sounds quite deranged to be honest.
    I used to like vension.

    It's been destroyed by the brand. Idiotic fellow travellers, like you.
    It's food.

    It's taste hasn't changed. It's calorie count hasn't changed. It's texture and the way it's cooked hasn't changed.

    Food doesn't have opinions.

    To quote MJ Hibbett in The Lesson of the Smiths:

    "Just because a bunch of wankers like it, doesn't mean that it's shit"
    The people that select the food you are able to purchase have opinions, that's the problem. And the taste absolutely does change if your choice is restricted.

    And food is so much more than raw calories.

    So much more.
    The MJ Hibbett quote is appropriate. Morrissey is a dick. He produced an album called Meat is Murder, which puts him pretty high on the wanker scale.

    But you know what? He made some good music.

    Just because a bunch of woke people promote venison doesn't lessen it as a food.
    It's restricted the choice at one of my favourite pubs. And I am royally pissed off.

    That's what I object to.

    If someone tries and tells me what to do I am liable to do the exact opposite, and then turn it up to eleven to spite them and teach them a lesson.
    It's not the venison you object to, it's the restriction of other choices.

    Which is perfectly reasonable. But that doesn't make venison in any way wrong or woke.
    I can see where Casino is coming from. He's rebelling against the woke showing him to eat venison but forbidding him from eating beef, pork, etc.

    I'm on a restricted diet for the next few days before a colonoscopy, and I'm starting to resent all the foods I'm allowed to eat.
    Businesses make their own decisions. There is no requirement that every pub and restaurant has to cater to CR's taste. I am a pescatarian so patronise restaurants that offer me a reasonable choice and avoid those that don't. It's really not difficult. CR appears to me to be someone that is extremely intolerant of other people's choices and has extremely short fuse to go along with it. Scratch the surface and a not very pleasant individual person lurks beneath as we we have seen this afternoon.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822
    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    Unpicking the assertion that venison is "woke" has occupied me for longer than I expected this afternoon.

    Aside from an award for extending this now-useless term to new, non-human boundaries I think where CR is coming from is this: being confronted with a menu where the choice is either 1) plant-based (why advertise that FFS. Just give each dish its title?) or 2) meat only from a source which can be regarded as "poncey" = a combined offering almost calculated to annoy on a mass scale.

    So I think it's the virtue-signally, pretentious menu that annoys rather than venison per se.

    Sorted that out. No thanks needed.

    I am a simple soul who would generally order beef or chicken at most pubs so would also prefer a menu with them on.

    However, if I go to an establishment which does not offer them, I assume that is because of market forces and the wishes of other customers, rather than assuming the owners of the pub are trying to offend their clientele. Perhaps I am too simple to see through their dastardly plan.
    I think you are being naive. I doubt it's market forces. Why venison anyway? Perhaps it's roadkill.
    Loads of pubs close every year. Why handicap themselves? I think the furthest I could get to, beyond the odd exception, is that it could be easier to raise funds for a new vegan restaurant than a new traditional restaurant. But even then that is down to market forces, vegan restaurants are increasing in number and traditional ones declining.

    I would not be surprised if capital was over allocated to vegan (or other "woke") restaurants but that is still down to market forces with too much money chasing the growing market and ignoring the declining one, rather than a group of sinister people trying to control menus.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,215
    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I’ve started a new role which means firstly that I’ve hardly had time to check the news this week, and secondly that posting will be “lite” for some time.

    Did the Hancock WhatsApp leak actually reveal anything of interest?

    Not really. It just confirmed that the inner workings of a tory government are as banal and lackwitted as one would expect.

    No Sunak kompromat yet but we live in hope,
    Sunak is too boring for kompromat.
    The man likes Coca Cola and Star Wars. His hinterland stretches to the end of his walk-in, under-lit, wardrobe
    Nothing wrong with that.
    Yes there is. His cultural curiosity seems to have stopped aged about 13.
    If someone finds what they like at 13 and happily enjoys that the rest of his life, while following the law, being economically productive and raising kids into decent human beings, then that's great. Its better than a big chunk of the population.

    Stop being such an elitist arse. Not everyone needs to delight in Ethiopian food or Sumatran poetry. You are doing the same thing as Casino Royale, being so upset that others have different preferences to you that don't affect you one bit.
    I’m sorry, I don’t agree.
    People are better leaders if they a wider hinterland they can access.

    Sunak is a cultural man-child, and it’s one of the most/least interesting things about him. He may be the least culturally curious PM the country has ever had.
    You don't agree because you're just the type of latte liberal that doesn't actually embrace the mindset of genuine liberalism. You want everyone to be just like you and to sneer down at anyone that has different tastes and preferences.

    It doesn't matter whether someone enjoys listening to the Archers, rocking out to German thrash metal, collecting train serial numbers or strutting about their bedroom in women's lingerie. If they find something that let's them find flow and be emotionally balanced, then good for them. Far better than all the culturally chic social democrats that spend all day on the internet sneering at decent, upstanding people while dripping with mental health baggage.
    As a person, that's true. But Rishi has put himself in a role where he has to lead people and take decisions on their behalf. And then, the more you know of the world and the people in it, and their interests, the better. And for all his ablilty, there's reasonable evidence that Rishi stuggles with the "normal human" thing. It's worth trying to work out why, I reckon, and GW seems to be onto something by pointing to the narrowness of Rishi's hinterland.

    The more you know, the easier it is to think in different ways.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,748



    Fuck off.

    If there's anyone who should be apologising it should be him - profusely. As well as YOU for having the fucking temerity for suggesting that I'm the problem.

    Calm down dear. It's only a discussion forum.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    I don't even think Sunak is the interesting type of nerd who can finish Dark Souls blindfolded or code a Sudoku solver in brainfuck. He's just a boring amoral billionaire who gets dressed by his Mrs.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    Chris said:

    Carnyx said:

    Chris said:

    Carnyx said:

    Chris said:

    I’ve started a new role which means firstly that I’ve hardly had time to check the news this week, and secondly that posting will be “lite” for some time.

    Did the Hancock WhatsApp leak actually reveal anything of interest?

    As far as I can tell, the most dramatic revelation was that he had got some kind of official clearance to release all kinds of government-related correspondence to a journalist with the idea of making himself look good and/or making himself some money.

    And then he whined to high heaven when she published it for her own purposes.

    Generally the most interesting Hancock-related revelations remain:
    (1) that a pint is very nearly an armful and
    (2) that Magna Carta was a brave Hungarian girl peasant girl who played a crucial part in medieval licensing law.
    He had official clearance?!
    Matt or Tony?
    Mr M. Hancock.
    I managed to find the relevant whine from M. Hancock:
    ""Isabel and I had worked closely together for more than a year on my book, based on legal confidentiality and a process approved by the Cabinet Office. Isabel repeatedly reiterated the importance of trust throughout, and then broke that trust.""
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64818969
    Many thanks for that. Good grief ... just think of the laws that breaks. Esp as I don't suppose all the messages were cleared with recipients not employed by HMG.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,214

    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    Unpicking the assertion that venison is "woke" has occupied me for longer than I expected this afternoon.

    Aside from an award for extending this now-useless term to new, non-human boundaries I think where CR is coming from is this: being confronted with a menu where the choice is either 1) plant-based (why advertise that FFS. Just give each dish its title?) or 2) meat only from a source which can be regarded as "poncey" = a combined offering almost calculated to annoy on a mass scale.

    So I think it's the virtue-signally, pretentious menu that annoys rather than venison per se.

    Sorted that out. No thanks needed.

    I am a simple soul who would generally order beef or chicken at most pubs so would also prefer a menu with them on.

    However, if I go to an establishment which does not offer them, I assume that is because of market forces and the wishes of other customers, rather than assuming the owners of the pub are trying to offend their clientele. Perhaps I am too simple to see through their dastardly plan.
    I think you are being naive. I doubt it's market forces. Why venison anyway? Perhaps it's roadkill.
    Loads of pubs close every year. Why handicap themselves? I think the furthest I could get to, beyond the odd exception, is that it could be easier to raise funds for a new vegan restaurant than a new traditional restaurant. But even then that is down to market forces, vegan restaurants are increasing in number and traditional ones declining.

    I would not be surprised if capital was over allocated to vegan (or other "woke") restaurants but that is still down to market forces with too much money chasing the growing market and ignoring the declining one, rather than a group of sinister people trying to control menus.
    Worth making the point that vegetarians (me for many years but not now) are not necessarily "woke".
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,748
    Chris said:

    Carnyx said:

    Chris said:

    Carnyx said:

    Chris said:

    I’ve started a new role which means firstly that I’ve hardly had time to check the news this week, and secondly that posting will be “lite” for some time.

    Did the Hancock WhatsApp leak actually reveal anything of interest?

    As far as I can tell, the most dramatic revelation was that he had got some kind of official clearance to release all kinds of government-related correspondence to a journalist with the idea of making himself look good and/or making himself some money.

    And then he whined to high heaven when she published it for her own purposes.

    Generally the most interesting Hancock-related revelations remain:
    (1) that a pint is very nearly an armful and
    (2) that Magna Carta was a brave Hungarian girl peasant girl who played a crucial part in medieval licensing law.
    He had official clearance?!
    Matt or Tony?
    Mr M. Hancock.
    I managed to find the relevant whine from M. Hancock:
    ""Isabel and I had worked closely together for more than a year on my book, based on legal confidentiality and a process approved by the Cabinet Office. Isabel repeatedly reiterated the importance of trust throughout, and then broke that trust.""
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64818969
    I sincerely hope the "process" approved by the Cabinet Office - if such existed - wasn't one based on the principle that an ex-minister could selectively leak documents that would make him look good and/or earn him money, while preventing publication of any material that would make him look like a prat/lose him money ...
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Carnyx said:

    Chris said:

    Carnyx said:

    Chris said:

    I’ve started a new role which means firstly that I’ve hardly had time to check the news this week, and secondly that posting will be “lite” for some time.

    Did the Hancock WhatsApp leak actually reveal anything of interest?

    As far as I can tell, the most dramatic revelation was that he had got some kind of official clearance to release all kinds of government-related correspondence to a journalist with the idea of making himself look good and/or making himself some money.

    And then he whined to high heaven when she published it for her own purposes.

    Generally the most interesting Hancock-related revelations remain:
    (1) that a pint is very nearly an armful and
    (2) that Magna Carta was a brave Hungarian girl peasant girl who played a crucial part in medieval licensing law.
    He had official clearance?!
    Matt or Tony?
    Mr M. Hancock.
    I managed to find the relevant whine from M. Hancock:
    ""Isabel and I had worked closely together for more than a year on my book, based on legal confidentiality and a process approved by the Cabinet Office. Isabel repeatedly reiterated the importance of trust throughout, and then broke that trust.""
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64818969
    I sincerely hope the "process" approved by the Cabinet Office - if such existed - wasn't one based on the principle that an ex-minister could selectively leak documents that would make him look good and/or earn him money, while preventing publication of any material that would make him look like a prat/lose him money ...
    As with much government malfunction, the trail seems to point back to Simon “Head” Case.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822
    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    Unpicking the assertion that venison is "woke" has occupied me for longer than I expected this afternoon.

    Aside from an award for extending this now-useless term to new, non-human boundaries I think where CR is coming from is this: being confronted with a menu where the choice is either 1) plant-based (why advertise that FFS. Just give each dish its title?) or 2) meat only from a source which can be regarded as "poncey" = a combined offering almost calculated to annoy on a mass scale.

    So I think it's the virtue-signally, pretentious menu that annoys rather than venison per se.

    Sorted that out. No thanks needed.

    I am a simple soul who would generally order beef or chicken at most pubs so would also prefer a menu with them on.

    However, if I go to an establishment which does not offer them, I assume that is because of market forces and the wishes of other customers, rather than assuming the owners of the pub are trying to offend their clientele. Perhaps I am too simple to see through their dastardly plan.
    I think you are being naive. I doubt it's market forces. Why venison anyway? Perhaps it's roadkill.
    Loads of pubs close every year. Why handicap themselves? I think the furthest I could get to, beyond the odd exception, is that it could be easier to raise funds for a new vegan restaurant than a new traditional restaurant. But even then that is down to market forces, vegan restaurants are increasing in number and traditional ones declining.

    I would not be surprised if capital was over allocated to vegan (or other "woke") restaurants but that is still down to market forces with too much money chasing the growing market and ignoring the declining one, rather than a group of sinister people trying to control menus.
    Worth making the point that vegetarians (me for many years but not now) are not necessarily "woke".
    Of course. "Woke" was in quotations to imply a usage that may not be accurate but based on todays thread.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,355
    OllyT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    I studied Environmental Science for some time. Venison is one of the best meats we could eat in the UK, nothing woke about it.
    It's Woke. You're a child

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    It's the sort of meat Greens and Lefties offer as an "alternative" to their veganism, and isn't very popular.

    Trust me, it's Woke.
    This sounds quite deranged to be honest.
    I used to like vension.

    It's been destroyed by the brand. Idiotic fellow travellers, like you.
    It's food.

    It's taste hasn't changed. It's calorie count hasn't changed. It's texture and the way it's cooked hasn't changed.

    Food doesn't have opinions.

    To quote MJ Hibbett in The Lesson of the Smiths:

    "Just because a bunch of wankers like it, doesn't mean that it's shit"
    The people that select the food you are able to purchase have opinions, that's the problem. And the taste absolutely does change if your choice is restricted.

    And food is so much more than raw calories.

    So much more.
    The MJ Hibbett quote is appropriate. Morrissey is a dick. He produced an album called Meat is Murder, which puts him pretty high on the wanker scale.

    But you know what? He made some good music.

    Just because a bunch of woke people promote venison doesn't lessen it as a food.
    It's restricted the choice at one of my favourite pubs. And I am royally pissed off.

    That's what I object to.

    If someone tries and tells me what to do I am liable to do the exact opposite, and then turn it up to eleven to spite them and teach them a lesson.
    It's not the venison you object to, it's the restriction of other choices.

    Which is perfectly reasonable. But that doesn't make venison in any way wrong or woke.
    I can see where Casino is coming from. He's rebelling against the woke showing him to eat venison but forbidding him from eating beef, pork, etc.

    I'm on a restricted diet for the next few days before a colonoscopy, and I'm starting to resent all the foods I'm allowed to eat.
    Businesses make their own decisions. There is no requirement that every pub and restaurant has to cater to CR's taste. I am a pescatarian so patronise restaurants that offer me a reasonable choice and avoid those that don't. It's really not difficult. CR appears to me to be someone that is extremely intolerant of other people's choices and has extremely short fuse to go along with it. Scratch the surface and a not very pleasant individual person lurks beneath as we we have seen this afternoon.
    I'm a creature of habit. We moved to West Cork just a few months ago, but I'm already finding the places I like to habitually return to.

    If my favourite café suddenly decided all its scones were going to be gluten free I'm sure it would annoy me, even though there are plenty of other places to get tea and scones.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    Stocky said:

    I try not to get annoyed about menus but I must admit that a non-meat item which is labelled "for the vegetarian" is at the top of my short list.

    Not unreasonable, I'd say - even cauliflower cheese can be iffy for some people. Gelatine, rennet, and so on can be issues.

    So it's good to have no doubt one way or another (esp if the waitfolk are apt to be new and unfamiliar with the details of the recipes).
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,625

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Carnyx said:

    Chris said:

    Carnyx said:

    Chris said:

    I’ve started a new role which means firstly that I’ve hardly had time to check the news this week, and secondly that posting will be “lite” for some time.

    Did the Hancock WhatsApp leak actually reveal anything of interest?

    As far as I can tell, the most dramatic revelation was that he had got some kind of official clearance to release all kinds of government-related correspondence to a journalist with the idea of making himself look good and/or making himself some money.

    And then he whined to high heaven when she published it for her own purposes.

    Generally the most interesting Hancock-related revelations remain:
    (1) that a pint is very nearly an armful and
    (2) that Magna Carta was a brave Hungarian girl peasant girl who played a crucial part in medieval licensing law.
    He had official clearance?!
    Matt or Tony?
    Mr M. Hancock.
    I managed to find the relevant whine from M. Hancock:
    ""Isabel and I had worked closely together for more than a year on my book, based on legal confidentiality and a process approved by the Cabinet Office. Isabel repeatedly reiterated the importance of trust throughout, and then broke that trust.""
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64818969
    I sincerely hope the "process" approved by the Cabinet Office - if such existed - wasn't one based on the principle that an ex-minister could selectively leak documents that would make him look good and/or earn him money, while preventing publication of any material that would make him look like a prat/lose him money ...
    As with much government malfunction, the trail seems to point back to Simon “Head” Case.
    He doesn't fit the image of the experienced old hand that you'd expect in that position.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,215

    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    Unpicking the assertion that venison is "woke" has occupied me for longer than I expected this afternoon.

    Aside from an award for extending this now-useless term to new, non-human boundaries I think where CR is coming from is this: being confronted with a menu where the choice is either 1) plant-based (why advertise that FFS. Just give each dish its title?) or 2) meat only from a source which can be regarded as "poncey" = a combined offering almost calculated to annoy on a mass scale.

    So I think it's the virtue-signally, pretentious menu that annoys rather than venison per se.

    Sorted that out. No thanks needed.

    I am a simple soul who would generally order beef or chicken at most pubs so would also prefer a menu with them on.

    However, if I go to an establishment which does not offer them, I assume that is because of market forces and the wishes of other customers, rather than assuming the owners of the pub are trying to offend their clientele. Perhaps I am too simple to see through their dastardly plan.
    I think you are being naive. I doubt it's market forces. Why venison anyway? Perhaps it's roadkill.
    Loads of pubs close every year. Why handicap themselves? I think the furthest I could get to, beyond the odd exception, is that it could be easier to raise funds for a new vegan restaurant than a new traditional restaurant. But even then that is down to market forces, vegan restaurants are increasing in number and traditional ones declining.

    I would not be surprised if capital was over allocated to vegan (or other "woke") restaurants but that is still down to market forces with too much money chasing the growing market and ignoring the declining one, rather than a group of sinister people trying to control menus.
    Also, Northern Hampshire might be suffering from a bit of a cultural squeeze as the London state of mind ripples further and further out. Or maybe poncy people priced out of Winchester. I'd be surprised if it's reached Alresford already, but not shocked.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    OllyT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    I studied Environmental Science for some time. Venison is one of the best meats we could eat in the UK, nothing woke about it.
    It's Woke. You're a child

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    It's the sort of meat Greens and Lefties offer as an "alternative" to their veganism, and isn't very popular.

    Trust me, it's Woke.
    This sounds quite deranged to be honest.
    I used to like vension.

    It's been destroyed by the brand. Idiotic fellow travellers, like you.
    It's food.

    It's taste hasn't changed. It's calorie count hasn't changed. It's texture and the way it's cooked hasn't changed.

    Food doesn't have opinions.

    To quote MJ Hibbett in The Lesson of the Smiths:

    "Just because a bunch of wankers like it, doesn't mean that it's shit"
    The people that select the food you are able to purchase have opinions, that's the problem. And the taste absolutely does change if your choice is restricted.

    And food is so much more than raw calories.

    So much more.
    The MJ Hibbett quote is appropriate. Morrissey is a dick. He produced an album called Meat is Murder, which puts him pretty high on the wanker scale.

    But you know what? He made some good music.

    Just because a bunch of woke people promote venison doesn't lessen it as a food.
    It's restricted the choice at one of my favourite pubs. And I am royally pissed off.

    That's what I object to.

    If someone tries and tells me what to do I am liable to do the exact opposite, and then turn it up to eleven to spite them and teach them a lesson.
    It's not the venison you object to, it's the restriction of other choices.

    Which is perfectly reasonable. But that doesn't make venison in any way wrong or woke.
    I can see where Casino is coming from. He's rebelling against the woke showing him to eat venison but forbidding him from eating beef, pork, etc.

    I'm on a restricted diet for the next few days before a colonoscopy, and I'm starting to resent all the foods I'm allowed to eat.
    Businesses make their own decisions. There is no requirement that every pub and restaurant has to cater to CR's taste. I am a pescatarian so patronise restaurants that offer me a reasonable choice and avoid those that don't. It's really not difficult. CR appears to me to be someone that is extremely intolerant of other people's choices and has extremely short fuse to go along with it. Scratch the surface and a not very pleasant individual person lurks beneath as we we have seen this afternoon.
    I'm a creature of habit. We moved to West Cork just a few months ago, but I'm already finding the places I like to habitually return to.

    If my favourite café suddenly decided all its scones were going to be gluten free I'm sure it would annoy me, even though there are plenty of other places to get tea and scones.
    Yes but would you come onto a politics discussion website and angrily denounce gluten intolerance as pinko infiltration?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822
    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Carnyx said:

    Chris said:

    Carnyx said:

    Chris said:

    I’ve started a new role which means firstly that I’ve hardly had time to check the news this week, and secondly that posting will be “lite” for some time.

    Did the Hancock WhatsApp leak actually reveal anything of interest?

    As far as I can tell, the most dramatic revelation was that he had got some kind of official clearance to release all kinds of government-related correspondence to a journalist with the idea of making himself look good and/or making himself some money.

    And then he whined to high heaven when she published it for her own purposes.

    Generally the most interesting Hancock-related revelations remain:
    (1) that a pint is very nearly an armful and
    (2) that Magna Carta was a brave Hungarian girl peasant girl who played a crucial part in medieval licensing law.
    He had official clearance?!
    Matt or Tony?
    Mr M. Hancock.
    I managed to find the relevant whine from M. Hancock:
    ""Isabel and I had worked closely together for more than a year on my book, based on legal confidentiality and a process approved by the Cabinet Office. Isabel repeatedly reiterated the importance of trust throughout, and then broke that trust.""
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64818969
    I sincerely hope the "process" approved by the Cabinet Office - if such existed - wasn't one based on the principle that an ex-minister could selectively leak documents that would make him look good and/or earn him money, while preventing publication of any material that would make him look like a prat/lose him money ...
    For most ministers from this government preventing them looking like a prat is well beyond the ability of the entire civil service let alone the cabinet office.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,748
    Carnyx said:

    Chris said:

    Carnyx said:

    Chris said:

    Carnyx said:

    Chris said:

    I’ve started a new role which means firstly that I’ve hardly had time to check the news this week, and secondly that posting will be “lite” for some time.

    Did the Hancock WhatsApp leak actually reveal anything of interest?

    As far as I can tell, the most dramatic revelation was that he had got some kind of official clearance to release all kinds of government-related correspondence to a journalist with the idea of making himself look good and/or making himself some money.

    And then he whined to high heaven when she published it for her own purposes.

    Generally the most interesting Hancock-related revelations remain:
    (1) that a pint is very nearly an armful and
    (2) that Magna Carta was a brave Hungarian girl peasant girl who played a crucial part in medieval licensing law.
    He had official clearance?!
    Matt or Tony?
    Mr M. Hancock.
    I managed to find the relevant whine from M. Hancock:
    ""Isabel and I had worked closely together for more than a year on my book, based on legal confidentiality and a process approved by the Cabinet Office. Isabel repeatedly reiterated the importance of trust throughout, and then broke that trust.""
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64818969
    Many thanks for that. Good grief ... just think of the laws that breaks. Esp as I don't suppose all the messages were cleared with recipients not employed by HMG.
    I think anyone who has ever had a FOI request refused on the basis of a spurious, legalistic objection must be wondering about the legal basis on which Hancock was given licence to use whatever recent official documents he wanted to for his own private purposes.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I’ve started a new role which means firstly that I’ve hardly had time to check the news this week, and secondly that posting will be “lite” for some time.

    Did the Hancock WhatsApp leak actually reveal anything of interest?

    Not really. It just confirmed that the inner workings of a tory government are as banal and lackwitted as one would expect.

    No Sunak kompromat yet but we live in hope,
    Sunak is too boring for kompromat.
    The man likes Coca Cola and Star Wars. His hinterland stretches to the end of his walk-in, under-lit, wardrobe
    Nothing wrong with that.
    Yes there is. His cultural curiosity seems to have stopped aged about 13.
    If someone finds what they like at 13 and happily enjoys that the rest of his life, while following the law, being economically productive and raising kids into decent human beings, then that's great. Its better than a big chunk of the population.

    Stop being such an elitist arse. Not everyone needs to delight in Ethiopian food or Sumatran poetry. You are doing the same thing as Casino Royale, being so upset that others have different preferences to you that don't affect you one bit.
    I’m sorry, I don’t agree.
    People are better leaders if they a wider hinterland they can access.

    Sunak is a cultural man-child, and it’s one of the most/least interesting things about him. He may be the least culturally curious PM the country has ever had.
    You don't agree because you're just the type of latte liberal that doesn't actually embrace the mindset of genuine liberalism. You want everyone to be just like you and to sneer down at anyone that has different tastes and preferences.

    It doesn't matter whether someone enjoys listening to the Archers, rocking out to German thrash metal, collecting train serial numbers or strutting about their bedroom in women's lingerie. If they find something that let's them find flow and be emotionally balanced, then good for them. Far better than all the culturally chic social democrats that spend all day on the internet sneering at decent, upstanding people while dripping with mental health baggage.
    Genuine appreciation of things is somewhat rare and should be cherished.

    There is way too much one-upman-ship and snobbery is so many things.

    It makes genuinely liking wine a bit of a pain, for example. The number of arseholes who can bang on about tasting notes but seem not actually enjoy anything…
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,380
    Chris said:



    Fuck off.

    If there's anyone who should be apologising it should be him - profusely. As well as YOU for having the fucking temerity for suggesting that I'm the problem.

    Calm down dear. It's only a discussion forum.
    Exactly. Why let it bother you ?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    One third place pick so far, from the first seven races!
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Carnyx said:

    Chris said:

    Carnyx said:

    Chris said:

    I’ve started a new role which means firstly that I’ve hardly had time to check the news this week, and secondly that posting will be “lite” for some time.

    Did the Hancock WhatsApp leak actually reveal anything of interest?

    As far as I can tell, the most dramatic revelation was that he had got some kind of official clearance to release all kinds of government-related correspondence to a journalist with the idea of making himself look good and/or making himself some money.

    And then he whined to high heaven when she published it for her own purposes.

    Generally the most interesting Hancock-related revelations remain:
    (1) that a pint is very nearly an armful and
    (2) that Magna Carta was a brave Hungarian girl peasant girl who played a crucial part in medieval licensing law.
    He had official clearance?!
    Matt or Tony?
    Mr M. Hancock.
    I managed to find the relevant whine from M. Hancock:
    ""Isabel and I had worked closely together for more than a year on my book, based on legal confidentiality and a process approved by the Cabinet Office. Isabel repeatedly reiterated the importance of trust throughout, and then broke that trust.""
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64818969
    I sincerely hope the "process" approved by the Cabinet Office - if such existed - wasn't one based on the principle that an ex-minister could selectively leak documents that would make him look good and/or earn him money, while preventing publication of any material that would make him look like a prat/lose him money ...
    As with much government malfunction, the trail seems to point back to Simon “Head” Case.
    He doesn't fit the image of the experienced old hand that you'd expect in that position.
    He should be fired.
    He was a political appointee by Johnson/Cummings as part of their attempt to debauch good governance.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    edited March 2023

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I’ve started a new role which means firstly that I’ve hardly had time to check the news this week, and secondly that posting will be “lite” for some time.

    Did the Hancock WhatsApp leak actually reveal anything of interest?

    Not really. It just confirmed that the inner workings of a tory government are as banal and lackwitted as one would expect.

    No Sunak kompromat yet but we live in hope,
    Sunak is too boring for kompromat.
    The man likes Coca Cola and Star Wars. His hinterland stretches to the end of his walk-in, under-lit, wardrobe
    Nothing wrong with that.
    Yes there is. His cultural curiosity seems to have stopped aged about 13.
    If someone finds what they like at 13 and happily enjoys that the rest of his life, while following the law, being economically productive and raising kids into decent human beings, then that's great. Its better than a big chunk of the population.

    Stop being such an elitist arse. Not everyone needs to delight in Ethiopian food or Sumatran poetry. You are doing the same thing as Casino Royale, being so upset that others have different preferences to you that don't affect you one bit.
    I’m sorry, I don’t agree.
    People are better leaders if they a wider hinterland they can access.

    Sunak is a cultural man-child, and it’s one of the most/least interesting things about him. He may be the least culturally curious PM the country has ever had.
    That seems like a really overblown judgment. Do we really have sufficient information on his personal likes and dislikes to judge what that says about him as a person? I really don't think so, not least because the underlying premise looks like a pile of snobbish nonsense.

    You're coming across like Leon would if claiming anyone who hasn't travelled as widely as he is is fundamentally flawed as a person.

    I also think the premise could easily be shown up if we can find an example of an extremely culturally curious leader who was shit. Do you think it likely one can be found?

    Dress it up as you like all you're doing is going 'He doesn't (apparently, since we do not really know) like things I think he should - and that is bad'.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,380
    edited March 2023

    I'd rather die in agony that apologise to that arsehole @CorrectHorseBattery3

    Fucking twat.

    He owes me about 3 million apologies before I even consider thinking about edging towards a first.

    Why let it bother you ?

    I’ve been on the receiving end, and I’m not alone here, of endless torrents of bile and abuse from the regularly banned fucking idiot Ishmael.

    Once for making a comment in a discussion about good food about a fine tomato dish I had.

    I’m not going to be bullied by that piece of crap. I’d just post more stuff that would wind him up and he fell for it like the buffoon he is.

    Show vulnerability and you get Shat on.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    Calm 🐎 update.

    WOOOOOOOOOOOOO. MMMMMMMBOP MMMMMMMMMMMBOP
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    edited March 2023

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I’ve started a new role which means firstly that I’ve hardly had time to check the news this week, and secondly that posting will be “lite” for some time.

    Did the Hancock WhatsApp leak actually reveal anything of interest?

    Not really. It just confirmed that the inner workings of a tory government are as banal and lackwitted as one would expect.

    No Sunak kompromat yet but we live in hope,
    Sunak is too boring for kompromat.
    The man likes Coca Cola and Star Wars. His hinterland stretches to the end of his walk-in, under-lit, wardrobe
    Nothing wrong with that.
    Yes there is. His cultural curiosity seems to have stopped aged about 13.
    If someone finds what they like at 13 and happily enjoys that the rest of his life, while following the law, being economically productive and raising kids into decent human beings, then that's great. Its better than a big chunk of the population.

    Stop being such an elitist arse. Not everyone needs to delight in Ethiopian food or Sumatran poetry. You are doing the same thing as Casino Royale, being so upset that others have different preferences to you that don't affect you one bit.
    I’m sorry, I don’t agree.
    People are better leaders if they a wider hinterland they can access.

    Sunak is a cultural man-child, and it’s one of the most/least interesting things about him. He may be the least culturally curious PM the country has ever had.
    You don't agree because you're just the type of latte liberal that doesn't actually embrace the mindset of genuine liberalism. You want everyone to be just like you and to sneer down at anyone that has different tastes and preferences.

    It doesn't matter whether someone enjoys listening to the Archers, rocking out to German thrash metal, collecting train serial numbers or strutting about their bedroom in women's lingerie. If they find something that let's them find flow and be emotionally balanced, then good for them. Far better than all the culturally chic social democrats that spend all day on the internet sneering at decent, upstanding people while dripping with mental health baggage.
    Yet you seem to have a problem with “latte” liberals.

    People should definitely find flow and emotional balance, but if your cultural appetite ends at German thrash metal (to use one of your examples) than I’d argue you’re missing an aspect of what makes great leadership.
    (As well as living in some sense a culturally impoverished life).

    You clearly have your britches in a snizz on this subject.
    You are saying that the band structure of Rammstein doesn’t have interesting angles on leadership?

    Personally, I find the persistence of Doro through the dead times for metal an example of how determination and retaining artistic integrity can pay off.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,214
    Carnyx said:

    Stocky said:

    I try not to get annoyed about menus but I must admit that a non-meat item which is labelled "for the vegetarian" is at the top of my short list.

    Not unreasonable, I'd say - even cauliflower cheese can be iffy for some people. Gelatine, rennet, and so on can be issues.

    So it's good to have no doubt one way or another (esp if the waitfolk are apt to be new and unfamiliar with the details of the recipes).
    Not quite what I mean.

    There are still pubs out there which see vegetarians as folk with two heads or something and write "for the vegetarian" as if the vegetarians are thusly strange curious creatures and the menu item cannot possibly be enjoyed by a normal person. Cauliflower cheese is yum whether you are a vegetarian or not.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822

    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    Unpicking the assertion that venison is "woke" has occupied me for longer than I expected this afternoon.

    Aside from an award for extending this now-useless term to new, non-human boundaries I think where CR is coming from is this: being confronted with a menu where the choice is either 1) plant-based (why advertise that FFS. Just give each dish its title?) or 2) meat only from a source which can be regarded as "poncey" = a combined offering almost calculated to annoy on a mass scale.

    So I think it's the virtue-signally, pretentious menu that annoys rather than venison per se.

    Sorted that out. No thanks needed.

    I am a simple soul who would generally order beef or chicken at most pubs so would also prefer a menu with them on.

    However, if I go to an establishment which does not offer them, I assume that is because of market forces and the wishes of other customers, rather than assuming the owners of the pub are trying to offend their clientele. Perhaps I am too simple to see through their dastardly plan.
    I think you are being naive. I doubt it's market forces. Why venison anyway? Perhaps it's roadkill.
    Loads of pubs close every year. Why handicap themselves? I think the furthest I could get to, beyond the odd exception, is that it could be easier to raise funds for a new vegan restaurant than a new traditional restaurant. But even then that is down to market forces, vegan restaurants are increasing in number and traditional ones declining.

    I would not be surprised if capital was over allocated to vegan (or other "woke") restaurants but that is still down to market forces with too much money chasing the growing market and ignoring the declining one, rather than a group of sinister people trying to control menus.
    Also, Northern Hampshire might be suffering from a bit of a cultural squeeze as the London state of mind ripples further and further out. Or maybe poncy people priced out of Winchester. I'd be surprised if it's reached Alresford already, but not shocked.
    My parents moved very close to there last year! Not from London mind. I can recommend the Fishers Pond for a decent menu and welcome for diners of the vast majority of political persuasions and values, with not a bad view either.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Stocky said:

    A vegan and venison pub in Alresford seems like a “brave” business strategy.

    Yes, and incompatible of course. Perhaps the venison is "plant-based"?
    Ultimately plant based, for sure.

    As is all meat.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    Stocky said:

    Carnyx said:

    Stocky said:

    I try not to get annoyed about menus but I must admit that a non-meat item which is labelled "for the vegetarian" is at the top of my short list.

    Not unreasonable, I'd say - even cauliflower cheese can be iffy for some people. Gelatine, rennet, and so on can be issues.

    So it's good to have no doubt one way or another (esp if the waitfolk are apt to be new and unfamiliar with the details of the recipes).
    Not quite what I mean.

    There are still pubs out there which see vegetarians as folk with two heads or something and write "for the vegetarian" as if the vegetarians are thusly strange curious creatures and the menu item cannot possibly be enjoyed by a normal person. Cauliflower cheese is yum whether you are a vegetarian or not.
    Ah, thanks. I see now. Apols for not spotting the mutant alien stuff.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,581
    edited March 2023

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I’ve started a new role which means firstly that I’ve hardly had time to check the news this week, and secondly that posting will be “lite” for some time.

    Did the Hancock WhatsApp leak actually reveal anything of interest?

    Not really. It just confirmed that the inner workings of a tory government are as banal and lackwitted as one would expect.

    No Sunak kompromat yet but we live in hope,
    Sunak is too boring for kompromat.
    The man likes Coca Cola and Star Wars. His hinterland stretches to the end of his walk-in, under-lit, wardrobe
    Nothing wrong with that.
    Yes there is. His cultural curiosity seems to have stopped aged about 13.
    If someone finds what they like at 13 and happily enjoys that the rest of his life, while following the law, being economically productive and raising kids into decent human beings, then that's great. Its better than a big chunk of the population.

    Stop being such an elitist arse. Not everyone needs to delight in Ethiopian food or Sumatran poetry. You are doing the same thing as Casino Royale, being so upset that others have different preferences to you that don't affect you one bit.
    I’m sorry, I don’t agree.
    People are better leaders if they a wider hinterland they can access.

    Sunak is a cultural man-child, and it’s one of the most/least interesting things about him. He may be the least culturally curious PM the country has ever had.
    You don't agree because you're just the type of latte liberal that doesn't actually embrace the mindset of genuine liberalism. You want everyone to be just like you and to sneer down at anyone that has different tastes and preferences.

    It doesn't matter whether someone enjoys listening to the Archers, rocking out to German thrash metal, collecting train serial numbers or strutting about their bedroom in women's lingerie. If they find something that let's them find flow and be emotionally balanced, then good for them. Far better than all the culturally chic social democrats that spend all day on the internet sneering at decent, upstanding people while dripping with mental health baggage.
    Yet you seem to have a problem with “latte” liberals.

    People should definitely find flow and emotional balance, but if your cultural appetite ends at German thrash metal (to use one of your examples) than I’d argue you’re missing an aspect of what makes great leadership.
    (As well as living in some sense a culturally impoverished life).

    You clearly have your britches in a snizz on this subject.
    You are saying that the band structure of Rammstein doesn’t have interesting angles on leadership?

    Personally, I find the persistence of Doro through the dead times for metal an example of how determination and retaining artistic integrity can pay off.
    I asked ChatGPT whether the band structure of Rammstein has interesting angles on leadership.

    It answered:
    Rammstein is a German industrial metal band that was formed in 1994. Their music often explores themes of power, authority, and control, with lyrics that touch on social and political issues.

    While Rammstein's music may not directly address leadership, some of their songs and themes could potentially be interpreted through a leadership lens. For example, their song "Links 2 3 4" criticizes political extremism and calls for unity and solidarity, which could be seen as a commentary on effective leadership that fosters inclusivity and collaboration.

    Similarly, their song "Mein Teil" tells the story of the infamous Armin Meiwes cannibal case and could be interpreted as a cautionary tale about the dangers of blindly following authority figures.

    Overall, while Rammstein's music may not offer explicit insights into leadership, it does touch on themes related to power, authority, and social issues that could potentially be viewed through a leadership lens.


    So now you know.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    edited March 2023

    Calm 🐎 update.

    WOOOOOOOOOOOOO. MMMMMMMBOP MMMMMMMMMMMBOP

    I’m at the races today, and losing lots of money picking donkeys!
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,783
    Carnyx said:

    Stocky said:

    I try not to get annoyed about menus but I must admit that a non-meat item which is labelled "for the vegetarian" is at the top of my short list.

    Not unreasonable, I'd say - even cauliflower cheese can be iffy for some people. Gelatine, rennet, and so on can be issues.

    So it's good to have no doubt one way or another (esp if the waitfolk are apt to be new and unfamiliar with the details of the recipes).
    I was vegan for many years and the number of times I'd ask for the veggie breakfast "without eggs please - sorry, I'm vegan" and then get a plate with slices of french toast on it.

    Also once had that happen and a plate arrived with scrambled egg on it. I gently pointed at it and said "Oh, sorry - I asked for no eggs". Puzzled expression from the waitress as they clearly hadn't thought of scrambled eggs as being 'eggs'. Five minutes later the plate came back with the scrambled egg scraped off the plate but still swimming in egg-juice.

    At which point I just ate it anyway.

    I wasn't a very good vegan.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    Barnesian said:

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I’ve started a new role which means firstly that I’ve hardly had time to check the news this week, and secondly that posting will be “lite” for some time.

    Did the Hancock WhatsApp leak actually reveal anything of interest?

    Not really. It just confirmed that the inner workings of a tory government are as banal and lackwitted as one would expect.

    No Sunak kompromat yet but we live in hope,
    Sunak is too boring for kompromat.
    The man likes Coca Cola and Star Wars. His hinterland stretches to the end of his walk-in, under-lit, wardrobe
    Nothing wrong with that.
    Yes there is. His cultural curiosity seems to have stopped aged about 13.
    If someone finds what they like at 13 and happily enjoys that the rest of his life, while following the law, being economically productive and raising kids into decent human beings, then that's great. Its better than a big chunk of the population.

    Stop being such an elitist arse. Not everyone needs to delight in Ethiopian food or Sumatran poetry. You are doing the same thing as Casino Royale, being so upset that others have different preferences to you that don't affect you one bit.
    I’m sorry, I don’t agree.
    People are better leaders if they a wider hinterland they can access.

    Sunak is a cultural man-child, and it’s one of the most/least interesting things about him. He may be the least culturally curious PM the country has ever had.
    You don't agree because you're just the type of latte liberal that doesn't actually embrace the mindset of genuine liberalism. You want everyone to be just like you and to sneer down at anyone that has different tastes and preferences.

    It doesn't matter whether someone enjoys listening to the Archers, rocking out to German thrash metal, collecting train serial numbers or strutting about their bedroom in women's lingerie. If they find something that let's them find flow and be emotionally balanced, then good for them. Far better than all the culturally chic social democrats that spend all day on the internet sneering at decent, upstanding people while dripping with mental health baggage.
    Yet you seem to have a problem with “latte” liberals.

    People should definitely find flow and emotional balance, but if your cultural appetite ends at German thrash metal (to use one of your examples) than I’d argue you’re missing an aspect of what makes great leadership.
    (As well as living in some sense a culturally impoverished life).

    You clearly have your britches in a snizz on this subject.
    You are saying that the band structure of Rammstein doesn’t have interesting angles on leadership?

    Personally, I find the persistence of Doro through the dead times for metal an example of how determination and retaining artistic integrity can pay off.
    I asked ChatGPT whether the band structure of Rammstein has interesting angles on leadership.

    It answered:
    Rammstein is a German industrial metal band that was formed in 1994. Their music often explores themes of power, authority, and control, with lyrics that touch on social and political issues.

    While Rammstein's music may not directly address leadership, some of their songs and themes could potentially be interpreted through a leadership lens. For example, their song "Links 2 3 4" criticizes political extremism and calls for unity and solidarity, which could be seen as a commentary on effective leadership that fosters inclusivity and collaboration.

    Similarly, their song "Mein Teil" tells the story of the infamous Armin Meiwes cannibal case and could be interpreted as a cautionary tale about the dangers of blindly following authority figures.

    Overall, while Rammstein's music may not offer explicit insights into leadership, it does touch on themes related to power, authority, and social issues that could potentially be viewed through a leadership lens.


    So now you know.
    So it completely missed the whole internal structure of the band, and their comments on the flaws of the whole “Frontman” concept.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,355
    edited March 2023

    OllyT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    I studied Environmental Science for some time. Venison is one of the best meats we could eat in the UK, nothing woke about it.
    It's Woke. You're a child

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    It's the sort of meat Greens and Lefties offer as an "alternative" to their veganism, and isn't very popular.

    Trust me, it's Woke.
    This sounds quite deranged to be honest.
    I used to like vension.

    It's been destroyed by the brand. Idiotic fellow travellers, like you.
    It's food.

    It's taste hasn't changed. It's calorie count hasn't changed. It's texture and the way it's cooked hasn't changed.

    Food doesn't have opinions.

    To quote MJ Hibbett in The Lesson of the Smiths:

    "Just because a bunch of wankers like it, doesn't mean that it's shit"
    The people that select the food you are able to purchase have opinions, that's the problem. And the taste absolutely does change if your choice is restricted.

    And food is so much more than raw calories.

    So much more.
    The MJ Hibbett quote is appropriate. Morrissey is a dick. He produced an album called Meat is Murder, which puts him pretty high on the wanker scale.

    But you know what? He made some good music.

    Just because a bunch of woke people promote venison doesn't lessen it as a food.
    It's restricted the choice at one of my favourite pubs. And I am royally pissed off.

    That's what I object to.

    If someone tries and tells me what to do I am liable to do the exact opposite, and then turn it up to eleven to spite them and teach them a lesson.
    It's not the venison you object to, it's the restriction of other choices.

    Which is perfectly reasonable. But that doesn't make venison in any way wrong or woke.
    I can see where Casino is coming from. He's rebelling against the woke showing him to eat venison but forbidding him from eating beef, pork, etc.

    I'm on a restricted diet for the next few days before a colonoscopy, and I'm starting to resent all the foods I'm allowed to eat.
    Businesses make their own decisions. There is no requirement that every pub and restaurant has to cater to CR's taste. I am a pescatarian so patronise restaurants that offer me a reasonable choice and avoid those that don't. It's really not difficult. CR appears to me to be someone that is extremely intolerant of other people's choices and has extremely short fuse to go along with it. Scratch the surface and a not very pleasant individual person lurks beneath as we we have seen this afternoon.
    I'm a creature of habit. We moved to West Cork just a few months ago, but I'm already finding the places I like to habitually return to.

    If my favourite café suddenly decided all its scones were going to be gluten free I'm sure it would annoy me, even though there are plenty of other places to get tea and scones.
    Yes but would you come onto a politics discussion website and angrily denounce gluten intolerance as pinko infiltration?
    I might come here and find a suitably idiomatic way to express my disappointment. It's important for people to have an outlet for their disappointment.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Any Scotland polls out later? 👍
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,581

    Barnesian said:

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I’ve started a new role which means firstly that I’ve hardly had time to check the news this week, and secondly that posting will be “lite” for some time.

    Did the Hancock WhatsApp leak actually reveal anything of interest?

    Not really. It just confirmed that the inner workings of a tory government are as banal and lackwitted as one would expect.

    No Sunak kompromat yet but we live in hope,
    Sunak is too boring for kompromat.
    The man likes Coca Cola and Star Wars. His hinterland stretches to the end of his walk-in, under-lit, wardrobe
    Nothing wrong with that.
    Yes there is. His cultural curiosity seems to have stopped aged about 13.
    If someone finds what they like at 13 and happily enjoys that the rest of his life, while following the law, being economically productive and raising kids into decent human beings, then that's great. Its better than a big chunk of the population.

    Stop being such an elitist arse. Not everyone needs to delight in Ethiopian food or Sumatran poetry. You are doing the same thing as Casino Royale, being so upset that others have different preferences to you that don't affect you one bit.
    I’m sorry, I don’t agree.
    People are better leaders if they a wider hinterland they can access.

    Sunak is a cultural man-child, and it’s one of the most/least interesting things about him. He may be the least culturally curious PM the country has ever had.
    You don't agree because you're just the type of latte liberal that doesn't actually embrace the mindset of genuine liberalism. You want everyone to be just like you and to sneer down at anyone that has different tastes and preferences.

    It doesn't matter whether someone enjoys listening to the Archers, rocking out to German thrash metal, collecting train serial numbers or strutting about their bedroom in women's lingerie. If they find something that let's them find flow and be emotionally balanced, then good for them. Far better than all the culturally chic social democrats that spend all day on the internet sneering at decent, upstanding people while dripping with mental health baggage.
    Yet you seem to have a problem with “latte” liberals.

    People should definitely find flow and emotional balance, but if your cultural appetite ends at German thrash metal (to use one of your examples) than I’d argue you’re missing an aspect of what makes great leadership.
    (As well as living in some sense a culturally impoverished life).

    You clearly have your britches in a snizz on this subject.
    You are saying that the band structure of Rammstein doesn’t have interesting angles on leadership?

    Personally, I find the persistence of Doro through the dead times for metal an example of how determination and retaining artistic integrity can pay off.
    I asked ChatGPT whether the band structure of Rammstein has interesting angles on leadership.

    It answered:
    Rammstein is a German industrial metal band that was formed in 1994. Their music often explores themes of power, authority, and control, with lyrics that touch on social and political issues.

    While Rammstein's music may not directly address leadership, some of their songs and themes could potentially be interpreted through a leadership lens. For example, their song "Links 2 3 4" criticizes political extremism and calls for unity and solidarity, which could be seen as a commentary on effective leadership that fosters inclusivity and collaboration.

    Similarly, their song "Mein Teil" tells the story of the infamous Armin Meiwes cannibal case and could be interpreted as a cautionary tale about the dangers of blindly following authority figures.

    Overall, while Rammstein's music may not offer explicit insights into leadership, it does touch on themes related to power, authority, and social issues that could potentially be viewed through a leadership lens.


    So now you know.
    So it completely missed the whole internal structure of the band, and their comments on the flaws of the whole “Frontman” concept.
    Yeh - it's rubbish innit.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited March 2023
    kle4 said:

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I’ve started a new role which means firstly that I’ve hardly had time to check the news this week, and secondly that posting will be “lite” for some time.

    Did the Hancock WhatsApp leak actually reveal anything of interest?

    Not really. It just confirmed that the inner workings of a tory government are as banal and lackwitted as one would expect.

    No Sunak kompromat yet but we live in hope,
    Sunak is too boring for kompromat.
    The man likes Coca Cola and Star Wars. His hinterland stretches to the end of his walk-in, under-lit, wardrobe
    Nothing wrong with that.
    Yes there is. His cultural curiosity seems to have stopped aged about 13.
    If someone finds what they like at 13 and happily enjoys that the rest of his life, while following the law, being economically productive and raising kids into decent human beings, then that's great. Its better than a big chunk of the population.

    Stop being such an elitist arse. Not everyone needs to delight in Ethiopian food or Sumatran poetry. You are doing the same thing as Casino Royale, being so upset that others have different preferences to you that don't affect you one bit.
    I’m sorry, I don’t agree.
    People are better leaders if they a wider hinterland they can access.

    Sunak is a cultural man-child, and it’s one of the most/least interesting things about him. He may be the least culturally curious PM the country has ever had.
    That seems like a really overblown judgment. Do we really have sufficient information on his personal likes and dislikes to judge what that says about him as a person? I really don't think so, not least because the underlying premise looks like a pile of snobbish nonsense.

    You're coming across like Leon would if claiming anyone who hasn't travelled as widely as he is is fundamentally flawed as a person.

    I also think the premise could easily be shown up if we can find an example of an extremely culturally curious leader who was shit. Do you think it likely one can be found?

    Dress it up as you like all you're doing is going 'He doesn't (apparently, since we do not really know) like things I think he should - and that is bad'.
    There’s already enough evidence in the public domain about him.

    The service station.
    The shoes.
    The befuddlement at how to pay for something.
    The Coke.
    The Star Wars.

    More seriously, his Maes speech reads like he stopped engaging intellectually with economics in about 1996.

    I am very impressed by his achievement in the Windsor Framework, but I still think he is missing a component of leadership in the fullest sense.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I’ve started a new role which means firstly that I’ve hardly had time to check the news this week, and secondly that posting will be “lite” for some time.

    Did the Hancock WhatsApp leak actually reveal anything of interest?

    Not really. It just confirmed that the inner workings of a tory government are as banal and lackwitted as one would expect.

    No Sunak kompromat yet but we live in hope,
    Sunak is too boring for kompromat.
    The man likes Coca Cola and Star Wars. His hinterland stretches to the end of his walk-in, under-lit, wardrobe
    Nothing wrong with that.
    Yes there is. His cultural curiosity seems to have stopped aged about 13.
    If someone finds what they like at 13 and happily enjoys that the rest of his life, while following the law, being economically productive and raising kids into decent human beings, then that's great. Its better than a big chunk of the population.

    Stop being such an elitist arse. Not everyone needs to delight in Ethiopian food or Sumatran poetry. You are doing the same thing as Casino Royale, being so upset that others have different preferences to you that don't affect you one bit.
    I’m sorry, I don’t agree.
    People are better leaders if they a wider hinterland they can access.

    Sunak is a cultural man-child, and it’s one of the most/least interesting things about him. He may be the least culturally curious PM the country has ever had.
    You don't agree because you're just the type of latte liberal that doesn't actually embrace the mindset of genuine liberalism. You want everyone to be just like you and to sneer down at anyone that has different tastes and preferences.

    It doesn't matter whether someone enjoys listening to the Archers, rocking out to German thrash metal, collecting train serial numbers or strutting about their bedroom in women's lingerie. If they find something that let's them find flow and be emotionally balanced, then good for them. Far better than all the culturally chic social democrats that spend all day on the internet sneering at decent, upstanding people while dripping with mental health baggage.
    Yet you seem to have a problem with “latte” liberals.

    People should definitely find flow and emotional balance, but if your cultural appetite ends at German thrash metal (to use one of your examples) than I’d argue you’re missing an aspect of what makes great leadership.
    (As well as living in some sense a culturally impoverished life).

    You clearly have your britches in a snizz on this subject.
    You are saying that the band structure of Rammstein doesn’t have interesting angles on leadership?

    Personally, I find the persistence of Doro through the dead times for metal an example of how determination and retaining artistic integrity can pay off.
    I asked ChatGPT whether the band structure of Rammstein has interesting angles on leadership.

    It answered:
    Rammstein is a German industrial metal band that was formed in 1994. Their music often explores themes of power, authority, and control, with lyrics that touch on social and political issues.

    While Rammstein's music may not directly address leadership, some of their songs and themes could potentially be interpreted through a leadership lens. For example, their song "Links 2 3 4" criticizes political extremism and calls for unity and solidarity, which could be seen as a commentary on effective leadership that fosters inclusivity and collaboration.

    Similarly, their song "Mein Teil" tells the story of the infamous Armin Meiwes cannibal case and could be interpreted as a cautionary tale about the dangers of blindly following authority figures.

    Overall, while Rammstein's music may not offer explicit insights into leadership, it does touch on themes related to power, authority, and social issues that could potentially be viewed through a leadership lens.


    So now you know.
    So it completely missed the whole internal structure of the band, and their comments on the flaws of the whole “Frontman” concept.
    Yeh - it's rubbish innit.
    Once again it produced a superficial answer that might get you though the next round of the Apprentice.

    ChatGPT - it has gelled hair, a shiny suit and pointy, spiv shoes. It works as a “Senior Salesman” at Foxtons in Ramsgate.
  • Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?
  • Any Scotland polls out later? 👍

    I do know there is a Redfield & Wilton Scotland poll out next week.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822

    Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?

    Goes well with peach.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249

    Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?

    As Team America put it - “Fuck Yeah”

    Have you ever tried pulled venison - slow cooked/smoked like pulled pork?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,380

    Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?

    Only with pineapple and kiwi fruit.
  • Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?

    As Team America put it - “Fuck Yeah”

    Have you ever tried pulled venison - slow cooked/smoked like pulled pork?
    I’ve only tried it twice.

    Hard to source Halal venison.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,215

    kle4 said:

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I’ve started a new role which means firstly that I’ve hardly had time to check the news this week, and secondly that posting will be “lite” for some time.

    Did the Hancock WhatsApp leak actually reveal anything of interest?

    Not really. It just confirmed that the inner workings of a tory government are as banal and lackwitted as one would expect.

    No Sunak kompromat yet but we live in hope,
    Sunak is too boring for kompromat.
    The man likes Coca Cola and Star Wars. His hinterland stretches to the end of his walk-in, under-lit, wardrobe
    Nothing wrong with that.
    Yes there is. His cultural curiosity seems to have stopped aged about 13.
    If someone finds what they like at 13 and happily enjoys that the rest of his life, while following the law, being economically productive and raising kids into decent human beings, then that's great. Its better than a big chunk of the population.

    Stop being such an elitist arse. Not everyone needs to delight in Ethiopian food or Sumatran poetry. You are doing the same thing as Casino Royale, being so upset that others have different preferences to you that don't affect you one bit.
    I’m sorry, I don’t agree.
    People are better leaders if they a wider hinterland they can access.

    Sunak is a cultural man-child, and it’s one of the most/least interesting things about him. He may be the least culturally curious PM the country has ever had.
    That seems like a really overblown judgment. Do we really have sufficient information on his personal likes and dislikes to judge what that says about him as a person? I really don't think so, not least because the underlying premise looks like a pile of snobbish nonsense.

    You're coming across like Leon would if claiming anyone who hasn't travelled as widely as he is is fundamentally flawed as a person.

    I also think the premise could easily be shown up if we can find an example of an extremely culturally curious leader who was shit. Do you think it likely one can be found?

    Dress it up as you like all you're doing is going 'He doesn't (apparently, since we do not really know) like things I think he should - and that is bad'.
    There’s already enough evidence in the public domain about him.

    The service station.
    The shoes.
    The befuddlement at how to pay for something.
    The Coke.
    The Star Wars.

    More seriously, his Maes speech reads like he stopped engaging intellectually with economics in about 1996.

    I am very impressed by his achievement in the Windsor Framework, but I still think he is missing a component of leadership in the fullest sense.
    He might have made quite a good (effective, competent) EU Commissioner. Better match of skills and job requirements.

    Ironic, given his beliefs about Europe.
  • Taz said:

    Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?

    Only with pineapple and kiwi fruit.
    Ewwwwwww.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829

    Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?

    https://www.elizabethskitchendiary.co.uk/wild-scottish-venison-pizza/ But it has pesto so is probably unacceptably wo ... er, unconventional.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?

    As Team America put it - “Fuck Yeah”

    Have you ever tried pulled venison - slow cooked/smoked like pulled pork?
    I’ve only tried it twice.

    Hard to source Halal venison.
    Is roadkill not halal?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249

    Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?

    As Team America put it - “Fuck Yeah”

    Have you ever tried pulled venison - slow cooked/smoked like pulled pork?
    I’ve only tried it twice.

    Hard to source Halal venison.
    I’m surprised at that - missing a business opportunity there.

    Plenty of history of Muslim kings etc hunting deer.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    edited March 2023
    Sandpit said:

    Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?

    As Team America put it - “Fuck Yeah”

    Have you ever tried pulled venison - slow cooked/smoked like pulled pork?
    I’ve only tried it twice.

    Hard to source Halal venison.
    Is roadkill not halal?
    Needs to be properly bled IIRC. That only works if an artic goes over it, by when one isn't likely to be interested.
  • Sandpit said:

    Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?

    As Team America put it - “Fuck Yeah”

    Have you ever tried pulled venison - slow cooked/smoked like pulled pork?
    I’ve only tried it twice.

    Hard to source Halal venison.
    Is roadkill not halal?
    My mother says no.
  • Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?

    As Team America put it - “Fuck Yeah”

    Have you ever tried pulled venison - slow cooked/smoked like pulled pork?
    I’ve only tried it twice.

    Hard to source Halal venison.
    I’m surprised at that - missing a business opportunity there.

    Plenty of history of Muslim kings etc hunting deer.
    Hard to source in Sheffield.

    Easier in London.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,355

    Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?

    There are better ways to eat venison and better choices to put on pizza.

    Incidentally, has anyone tried a sausage roll made with black pudding as well as sausagemeat?

    I find I'm planning what I'm going to eat once I'm free of my temporary dietary restrictions.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,243

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    I studied Environmental Science for some time. Venison is one of the best meats we could eat in the UK, nothing woke about it.
    It's Woke. You're a child

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    It's the sort of meat Greens and Lefties offer as an "alternative" to their veganism, and isn't very popular.

    Trust me, it's Woke.
    This sounds quite deranged to be honest.
    I used to like vension.

    It's been destroyed by the brand. Idiotic fellow travellers, like you.
    It's food.

    It's taste hasn't changed. It's calorie count hasn't changed. It's texture and the way it's cooked hasn't changed.

    Food doesn't have opinions.

    To quote MJ Hibbett in The Lesson of the Smiths:

    "Just because a bunch of wankers like it, doesn't mean that it's shit"
    The people that select the food you are able to purchase have opinions, that's the problem. And the taste absolutely does change if your choice is restricted.

    And food is so much more than raw calories.

    So much more.
    The MJ Hibbett quote is appropriate. Morrissey is a dick. He produced an album called Meat is Murder, which puts him pretty high on the wanker scale.

    But you know what? He made some good music.

    Just because a bunch of woke people promote venison doesn't lessen it as a food.
    It's restricted the choice at one of my favourite pubs. And I am royally pissed off.

    That's what I object to.

    If someone tries and tells me what to do I am liable to do the exact opposite, and then turn it up to eleven to spite them and teach them a lesson.
    It's not the venison you object to, it's the restriction of other choices.

    Which is perfectly reasonable. But that doesn't make venison in any way wrong or woke.
    I can see where Casino is coming from. He's rebelling against the woke showing him to eat venison but forbidding him from eating beef, pork, etc.

    I'm on a restricted diet for the next few days before a colonoscopy, and I'm starting to resent all the foods I'm allowed to eat.
    What I don’t understand is that @casinoroyale is a capitalist and the pub is privately owned.

    They’ve made a business decision on how to maximise their returns. He may not like it - and can take his business elsewhere. But why does he want a private enterprise to be forced to serve his segment of the market if it’s not in their perceived best interests?
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?

    As Team America put it - “Fuck Yeah”

    Have you ever tried pulled venison - slow cooked/smoked like pulled pork?
    I’ve only tried it twice.

    Hard to source Halal venison.
    This is a genuine question and I mean it with no disrespect - I just really want to understand the thinking. Am I right in saying that you drink alcohol and married a Christian? Is there a rationale for doing these things but eating halal?

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    I think we coudl apply this to a lot of online arguments, to be honest.

    Always will be amazing that media organizations like @AP @NewsHour @bellingcat spend thousands of hours online and in person to track down huge amounts of evidence documenting russian war crimes

    And then the Russians say, "no that's fake!"

    And tankies/MAGA go "see, told you!"


    https://twitter.com/ItsBorys/status/1632020346781007873?cxt=HHwWgoC8wfn2jKYtAAAA
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,380

    Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?

    There are better ways to eat venison and better choices to put on pizza.

    Incidentally, has anyone tried a sausage roll made with black pudding as well as sausagemeat?

    I find I'm planning what I'm going to eat once I'm free of my temporary dietary restrictions.
    Yes, they are glorious. Plenty of artisan sausage roll vendors produce them.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?

    Everything is an acceptable topping on pizza. That's why pizza is so awesome. With apologies to cyclefree's heritage.
  • WillG said:

    Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?

    As Team America put it - “Fuck Yeah”

    Have you ever tried pulled venison - slow cooked/smoked like pulled pork?
    I’ve only tried it twice.

    Hard to source Halal venison.
    This is a genuine question and I mean it with no disrespect - I just really want to understand the thinking. Am I right in saying that you drink alcohol and married a Christian? Is there a rationale for doing these things but eating halal?

    I don’t drink alcohol but I did marry an infidel.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,355

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    I studied Environmental Science for some time. Venison is one of the best meats we could eat in the UK, nothing woke about it.
    It's Woke. You're a child

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    It's the sort of meat Greens and Lefties offer as an "alternative" to their veganism, and isn't very popular.

    Trust me, it's Woke.
    This sounds quite deranged to be honest.
    I used to like vension.

    It's been destroyed by the brand. Idiotic fellow travellers, like you.
    It's food.

    It's taste hasn't changed. It's calorie count hasn't changed. It's texture and the way it's cooked hasn't changed.

    Food doesn't have opinions.

    To quote MJ Hibbett in The Lesson of the Smiths:

    "Just because a bunch of wankers like it, doesn't mean that it's shit"
    The people that select the food you are able to purchase have opinions, that's the problem. And the taste absolutely does change if your choice is restricted.

    And food is so much more than raw calories.

    So much more.
    The MJ Hibbett quote is appropriate. Morrissey is a dick. He produced an album called Meat is Murder, which puts him pretty high on the wanker scale.

    But you know what? He made some good music.

    Just because a bunch of woke people promote venison doesn't lessen it as a food.
    It's restricted the choice at one of my favourite pubs. And I am royally pissed off.

    That's what I object to.

    If someone tries and tells me what to do I am liable to do the exact opposite, and then turn it up to eleven to spite them and teach them a lesson.
    It's not the venison you object to, it's the restriction of other choices.

    Which is perfectly reasonable. But that doesn't make venison in any way wrong or woke.
    I can see where Casino is coming from. He's rebelling against the woke showing him to eat venison but forbidding him from eating beef, pork, etc.

    I'm on a restricted diet for the next few days before a colonoscopy, and I'm starting to resent all the foods I'm allowed to eat.
    What I don’t understand is that @casinoroyale is a capitalist and the pub is privately owned.

    They’ve made a business decision on how to maximise their returns. He may not like it - and can take his business elsewhere. But why does he want a private enterprise to be forced to serve his segment of the market if it’s not in their perceived best interests?
    That's true in a textbook kind of way, but Casino was talking about one of his favourite pubs changing. A favourite pub, restaurant or cafe becomes more than just a business with which you conduct economic transactions. An emotional connection is created. The staff get to know you, what you like. You have a relationship.

    Now, it's like he's been dumped by his favourite pub. Personally rejected.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    kle4 said:

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I’ve started a new role which means firstly that I’ve hardly had time to check the news this week, and secondly that posting will be “lite” for some time.

    Did the Hancock WhatsApp leak actually reveal anything of interest?

    Not really. It just confirmed that the inner workings of a tory government are as banal and lackwitted as one would expect.

    No Sunak kompromat yet but we live in hope,
    Sunak is too boring for kompromat.
    The man likes Coca Cola and Star Wars. His hinterland stretches to the end of his walk-in, under-lit, wardrobe
    Nothing wrong with that.
    Yes there is. His cultural curiosity seems to have stopped aged about 13.
    If someone finds what they like at 13 and happily enjoys that the rest of his life, while following the law, being economically productive and raising kids into decent human beings, then that's great. Its better than a big chunk of the population.

    Stop being such an elitist arse. Not everyone needs to delight in Ethiopian food or Sumatran poetry. You are doing the same thing as Casino Royale, being so upset that others have different preferences to you that don't affect you one bit.
    I’m sorry, I don’t agree.
    People are better leaders if they a wider hinterland they can access.

    Sunak is a cultural man-child, and it’s one of the most/least interesting things about him. He may be the least culturally curious PM the country has ever had.
    That seems like a really overblown judgment. Do we really have sufficient information on his personal likes and dislikes to judge what that says about him as a person? I really don't think so, not least because the underlying premise looks like a pile of snobbish nonsense.

    You're coming across like Leon would if claiming anyone who hasn't travelled as widely as he is is fundamentally flawed as a person.

    I also think the premise could easily be shown up if we can find an example of an extremely culturally curious leader who was shit. Do you think it likely one can be found?

    Dress it up as you like all you're doing is going 'He doesn't (apparently, since we do not really know) like things I think he should - and that is bad'.
    There’s already enough evidence in the public domain about him.

    The service station.
    The shoes.
    The befuddlement at how to pay for something.
    The Coke.
    The Star Wars.

    More seriously, his Maes speech reads like he stopped engaging intellectually with economics in about 1996.

    I am very impressed by his achievement in the Windsor Framework, but I still think he is missing a component of leadership in the fullest sense.
    So he's a rich policy wonk who is out of touch. He could stand to be less so - but his cultural interests wouldn't make him better or worse in of itself.

    Personally I think being in touch is overrated in politicians anyway, so long as they make an effort to understand the needs of normal people or have people on their teams who do.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,890

    Betting Post 🐎

    Kelso 1:50 Collingham
    Newbury 2:10 Dargiannini
    Kelso 2:25 The Wounded Knee
    Doncaster 3:15 Moroder

    Collingham unseated rider
    Dargiannini won 2/1
    The Wounded Knee pulled up
    Moroder won 18/1

    Well done. Maybe swerve Kelso next year.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    I studied Environmental Science for some time. Venison is one of the best meats we could eat in the UK, nothing woke about it.
    It's Woke. You're a child

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    It's the sort of meat Greens and Lefties offer as an "alternative" to their veganism, and isn't very popular.

    Trust me, it's Woke.
    This sounds quite deranged to be honest.
    I used to like vension.

    It's been destroyed by the brand. Idiotic fellow travellers, like you.
    It's food.

    It's taste hasn't changed. It's calorie count hasn't changed. It's texture and the way it's cooked hasn't changed.

    Food doesn't have opinions.

    To quote MJ Hibbett in The Lesson of the Smiths:

    "Just because a bunch of wankers like it, doesn't mean that it's shit"
    The people that select the food you are able to purchase have opinions, that's the problem. And the taste absolutely does change if your choice is restricted.

    And food is so much more than raw calories.

    So much more.
    The MJ Hibbett quote is appropriate. Morrissey is a dick. He produced an album called Meat is Murder, which puts him pretty high on the wanker scale.

    But you know what? He made some good music.

    Just because a bunch of woke people promote venison doesn't lessen it as a food.
    It's restricted the choice at one of my favourite pubs. And I am royally pissed off.

    That's what I object to.

    If someone tries and tells me what to do I am liable to do the exact opposite, and then turn it up to eleven to spite them and teach them a lesson.
    It's not the venison you object to, it's the restriction of other choices.

    Which is perfectly reasonable. But that doesn't make venison in any way wrong or woke.
    I can see where Casino is coming from. He's rebelling against the woke showing him to eat venison but forbidding him from eating beef, pork, etc.

    I'm on a restricted diet for the next few days before a colonoscopy, and I'm starting to resent all the foods I'm allowed to eat.
    What I don’t understand is that @casinoroyale is a capitalist and the pub is privately owned.

    They’ve made a business decision on how to maximise their returns. He may not like it - and can take his business elsewhere. But why does he want a private enterprise to be forced to serve his segment of the market if it’s not in their perceived best interests?
    That's true in a textbook kind of way, but Casino was talking about one of his favourite pubs changing. A favourite pub, restaurant or cafe becomes more than just a business with which you conduct economic transactions. An emotional connection is created. The staff get to know you, what you like. You have a relationship.

    Now, it's like he's been dumped by his favourite pub. Personally rejected.
    Take it like a man/woman.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812
    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Calm 🐎 update.

    WOOOOOOOOOOOOO. MMMMMMMBOP MMMMMMMMMMMBOP

    I’m at the races today, and losing lots of money picking donkeys!
    I'm no expert but that does seem to be a pretty basic mistake.
    Not at all:

    Now Delaney had a donkey that everyone admired
    Temporarily lazy and permanently tired
    A leg at every corner balancing his head
    And a tail to let you know which end he wanted to be fed
    Riley slyly said, "We've underrated it, why not train it?"
    Then they took a rag
    They rubbed it, scrubbed it, they oiled and embrocated it
    Got it at the post and when the starter dropped the flag
    There was Riley pushin' it, shovin' it, shushin' it
    Hogan, Logan and everyone in town
    Lined up, attackin' it and shovin' it and smackin' it
    They might as well have tried to push the town hall down
    The donkey was eyein' them, openly defyin' them
    Winkin', blinkin' and twistin' out of place
    Riley reversin' it, everybody cursin' it
    The day Delaney's donkey ran the halfmile race
    The muscles of the mighty, never known to flinch
    They couldn't move the donkey a quarter of an inch
    Delaney lay exhausted, hangin' 'round his throat
    With a grip just like a Scotsman on the five pound note
    Starter, Carter, he lined up with the rest of them
    When it saw them, it was willin' then
    It raced up, braced up, ready for the best of them
    They started off to cheer it but it changed it's mind again
    And there was Riley pushin' it, shovin' it, shushin' it
    Hogan, Logan and Mary Ann Macgraw
    She started pokin' it, and grabbin' it, and chokin' it
    It kicked her in the bustle and it laughed, "Hee-hah!"
    The Whigs and conservatives, the radical superlatives
    Liberals and tories, they hurried to the place
    Stood there in unity, helpin' the community
    The day Delaney's donkey ran the halfmile race
    The crowd began to cheer it, then Rafferty, the judge
    He came up to assist them, but still it wouldn't budge
    And the jockey who was ridin' it, little John McGee
    Was so thoroughly disgusted that he went and had his tea
    Hagan, Fagan were students of psychology
    Swore they'd shift him with some dynamite
    They bought it, brought it, and without apology
    The donkey gave a sneeze and blew the whole lot out of sight
    And there was Riley pushin' it, shovin' it, shushin' it
    Hogan, Logan and all the bally crew
    Police, and auxiliary, the Garrison Artillery
    The second Enniskillen's and the lifeguards too
    They seized it and harried it, they picked it up and carried it
    Cheered it, steered it to the winnin' place
    Then the bookmakers drew aside and they all committed suicide
    The day Delaney's donkey won the half mile race
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    I studied Environmental Science for some time. Venison is one of the best meats we could eat in the UK, nothing woke about it.
    It's Woke. You're a child

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    It's the sort of meat Greens and Lefties offer as an "alternative" to their veganism, and isn't very popular.

    Trust me, it's Woke.
    This sounds quite deranged to be honest.
    I used to like vension.

    It's been destroyed by the brand. Idiotic fellow travellers, like you.
    It's food.

    It's taste hasn't changed. It's calorie count hasn't changed. It's texture and the way it's cooked hasn't changed.

    Food doesn't have opinions.

    To quote MJ Hibbett in The Lesson of the Smiths:

    "Just because a bunch of wankers like it, doesn't mean that it's shit"
    The people that select the food you are able to purchase have opinions, that's the problem. And the taste absolutely does change if your choice is restricted.

    And food is so much more than raw calories.

    So much more.
    The MJ Hibbett quote is appropriate. Morrissey is a dick. He produced an album called Meat is Murder, which puts him pretty high on the wanker scale.

    But you know what? He made some good music.

    Just because a bunch of woke people promote venison doesn't lessen it as a food.
    It's restricted the choice at one of my favourite pubs. And I am royally pissed off.

    That's what I object to.

    If someone tries and tells me what to do I am liable to do the exact opposite, and then turn it up to eleven to spite them and teach them a lesson.
    It's not the venison you object to, it's the restriction of other choices.

    Which is perfectly reasonable. But that doesn't make venison in any way wrong or woke.
    I can see where Casino is coming from. He's rebelling against the woke showing him to eat venison but forbidding him from eating beef, pork, etc.

    I'm on a restricted diet for the next few days before a colonoscopy, and I'm starting to resent all the foods I'm allowed to eat.
    What I don’t understand is that @casinoroyale is a capitalist and the pub is privately owned.

    They’ve made a business decision on how to maximise their returns. He may not like it - and can take his business elsewhere. But why does he want a private enterprise to be forced to serve his segment of the market if it’s not in their perceived best interests?
    That's true in a textbook kind of way, but Casino was talking about one of his favourite pubs changing. A favourite pub, restaurant or cafe becomes more than just a business with which you conduct economic transactions. An emotional connection is created. The staff get to know you, what you like. You have a relationship.

    Now, it's like he's been dumped by his favourite pub. Personally rejected.
    Take it like a man/woman.
    πάντα ῥεῖ, as the miserable old philosopher Herakleitus probablky did not say. Which translated means, everything goes to shit sooner or later.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,243

    I'd rather die in agony that apologise to that arsehole @CorrectHorseBattery3

    Fucking twat.

    He owes me about 3 million apologies before I even consider thinking about edging towards a first.

    While I get irritated sometimes, I’m not sure you are doing yourself any favours right now. You’re a decent chap - suggest you log off for the afternoon before you give anyone the wrong impression
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,243
    OllyT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    I studied Environmental Science for some time. Venison is one of the best meats we could eat in the UK, nothing woke about it.
    It's Woke. You're a child

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    It's the sort of meat Greens and Lefties offer as an "alternative" to their veganism, and isn't very popular.

    Trust me, it's Woke.
    This sounds quite deranged to be honest.
    I used to like vension.

    It's been destroyed by the brand. Idiotic fellow travellers, like you.
    It's food.

    It's taste hasn't changed. It's calorie count hasn't changed. It's texture and the way it's cooked hasn't changed.

    Food doesn't have opinions.

    To quote MJ Hibbett in The Lesson of the Smiths:

    "Just because a bunch of wankers like it, doesn't mean that it's shit"
    The people that select the food you are able to purchase have opinions, that's the problem. And the taste absolutely does change if your choice is restricted.

    And food is so much more than raw calories.

    So much more.
    The MJ Hibbett quote is appropriate. Morrissey is a dick. He produced an album called Meat is Murder, which puts him pretty high on the wanker scale.

    But you know what? He made some good music.

    Just because a bunch of woke people promote venison doesn't lessen it as a food.
    It's restricted the choice at one of my favourite pubs. And I am royally pissed off.

    That's what I object to.

    If someone tries and tells me what to do I am liable to do the exact opposite, and then turn it up to eleven to spite them and teach them a lesson.
    It's not the venison you object to, it's the restriction of other choices.

    Which is perfectly reasonable. But that doesn't make venison in any way wrong or woke.
    I can see where Casino is coming from. He's rebelling against the woke showing him to eat venison but forbidding him from eating beef, pork, etc.

    I'm on a restricted diet for the next few days before a colonoscopy, and I'm starting to resent all the foods I'm allowed to eat.
    Businesses make their own decisions. There is no requirement that every pub and restaurant has to cater to CR's taste. I am a pescatarian so patronise restaurants that offer me a reasonable choice and avoid those that don't. It's really not difficult. CR appears to me to be someone that is extremely intolerant of other people's choices and has extremely short fuse to go along with it. Scratch the surface and a not very pleasant individual person lurks beneath as we we have seen this afternoon.
    I still get the pies taken out of me for inviting one of Colorado’s top cattle ranchers to a trendy SF fish restaurant…

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    boulay said:

    Mr. Max, DS9 has a lot to like. Damar's arc springs to mind, and the conversation Kira has with him about whether or not to bomb facilities after the Dominion choose to make sure every one has Cardassians present is interesting for the moral quandry it raises.

    Mr. Seal, I hardly ever watch new stuff (although I did get a box set of the first three seasons of The Expanse and liked it a lot. May watch House of the Dragon at some point). A problem can be when something seeks to claim the fanbase of an IP then changes it utterly for a 'modern audience' (Velma could be such an example).

    And sometimes writing quality is just atrocious. Yes, Galadriel taking a pyroclastic flow to the face and being just fine. I'm looking at you.

    The trouble is writers can't resist the Wokery.

    And, when they do, people just turn off.
    I stumbled across a series called “the boys” (I usually don’t like superhero things) and have never watched anything so non-correct. Attacks certain political positions but not from a pearl clutching standpoint and with dark humour.

    The best thing is that I have never heard the banned “C” word used so much outside of mumsnet.
    The Boys is fantastic. Karl Urban proving once again what a great actor he is.
    Season three is another level.
    The final scene genuinely chilling.
  • John1889John1889 Posts: 6
    Chris said:

    Carnyx said:

    Chris said:

    Carnyx said:

    Chris said:

    Carnyx said:

    Chris said:

    I’ve started a new role which means firstly that I’ve hardly had time to check the news this week, and secondly that posting will be “lite” for some time.

    Did the Hancock WhatsApp leak actually reveal anything of interest?

    As far as I can tell, the most dramatic revelation was that he had got some kind of official clearance to release all kinds of government-related correspondence to a journalist with the idea of making himself look good and/or making himself some money.

    And then he whined to high heaven when she published it for her own purposes.

    Generally the most interesting Hancock-related revelations remain:
    (1) that a pint is very nearly an armful and
    (2) that Magna Carta was a brave Hungarian girl peasant girl who played a crucial part in medieval licensing law.
    He had official clearance?!
    Matt or Tony?
    Mr M. Hancock.
    I managed to find the relevant whine from M. Hancock:
    ""Isabel and I had worked closely together for more than a year on my book, based on legal confidentiality and a process approved by the Cabinet Office. Isabel repeatedly reiterated the importance of trust throughout, and then broke that trust.""
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64818969
    Many thanks for that. Good grief ... just think of the laws that breaks. Esp as I don't suppose all the messages were cleared with recipients not employed by HMG.
    I think anyone who has ever had a FOI request refused on the basis of a spurious, legalistic objection must be wondering about the legal basis on which Hancock was given licence to use whatever recent official documents he wanted to for his own private purposes.
    This does make it likely that it is therefore 'limited hangout' and part of government propaganda to limit the damage and misdirect the search for truth.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,243

    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    Unpicking the assertion that venison is "woke" has occupied me for longer than I expected this afternoon.

    Aside from an award for extending this now-useless term to new, non-human boundaries I think where CR is coming from is this: being confronted with a menu where the choice is either 1) plant-based (why advertise that FFS. Just give each dish its title?) or 2) meat only from a source which can be regarded as "poncey" = a combined offering almost calculated to annoy on a mass scale.

    So I think it's the virtue-signally, pretentious menu that annoys rather than venison per se.

    Sorted that out. No thanks needed.

    I am a simple soul who would generally order beef or chicken at most pubs so would also prefer a menu with them on.

    However, if I go to an establishment which does not offer them, I assume that is because of market forces and the wishes of other customers, rather than assuming the owners of the pub are trying to offend their clientele. Perhaps I am too simple to see through their dastardly plan.
    I think you are being naive. I doubt it's market forces. Why venison anyway? Perhaps it's roadkill.
    Loads of pubs close every year. Why handicap themselves? I think the furthest I could get to, beyond the odd exception, is that it could be easier to raise funds for a new vegan restaurant than a new traditional restaurant. But even then that is down to market forces, vegan restaurants are increasing in number and traditional ones declining.

    I would not be surprised if capital was over allocated to vegan (or other "woke") restaurants but that is still down to market forces with too much money chasing the growing market and ignoring the declining
    L one, rather than a group of sinister people trying to control menus.
    FWIW 18 months ago you were right - alternative protein was massively on trend and over invested. It’s been a disaster - the unit economics just don’t work - and they can’t raise cash at the moment
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    I studied Environmental Science for some time. Venison is one of the best meats we could eat in the UK, nothing woke about it.
    It's Woke. You're a child

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    It's the sort of meat Greens and Lefties offer as an "alternative" to their veganism, and isn't very popular.

    Trust me, it's Woke.
    This sounds quite deranged to be honest.
    I used to like vension.

    It's been destroyed by the brand. Idiotic fellow travellers, like you.
    It's food.

    It's taste hasn't changed. It's calorie count hasn't changed. It's texture and the way it's cooked hasn't changed.

    Food doesn't have opinions.

    To quote MJ Hibbett in The Lesson of the Smiths:

    "Just because a bunch of wankers like it, doesn't mean that it's shit"
    The people that select the food you are able to purchase have opinions, that's the problem. And the taste absolutely does change if your choice is restricted.

    And food is so much more than raw calories.

    So much more.
    The MJ Hibbett quote is appropriate. Morrissey is a dick. He produced an album called Meat is Murder, which puts him pretty high on the wanker scale.

    But you know what? He made some good music.

    Just because a bunch of woke people promote venison doesn't lessen it as a food.
    It's restricted the choice at one of my favourite pubs. And I am royally pissed off.

    That's what I object to.

    If someone tries and tells me what to do I am liable to do the exact opposite, and then turn it up to eleven to spite them and teach them a lesson.
    You’re liable to be obsessed by woke for the foreseeable…
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812
    DavidL said:

    So presumably Verstappen is once again going to race away in a car more powerful and faster than anyone else's?

    Predictable and dull.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    I studied Environmental Science for some time. Venison is one of the best meats we could eat in the UK, nothing woke about it.
    It's Woke. You're a child

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    It's the sort of meat Greens and Lefties offer as an "alternative" to their veganism, and isn't very popular.

    Trust me, it's Woke.
    This sounds quite deranged to be honest.
    I used to like vension.

    It's been destroyed by the brand. Idiotic fellow travellers, like you.
    It's food.

    It's taste hasn't changed. It's calorie count hasn't changed. It's texture and the way it's cooked hasn't changed.

    Food doesn't have opinions.

    To quote MJ Hibbett in The Lesson of the Smiths:

    "Just because a bunch of wankers like it, doesn't mean that it's shit"
    The people that select the food you are able to purchase have opinions, that's the problem. And the taste absolutely does change if your choice is restricted.

    And food is so much more than raw calories.

    So much more.
    The MJ Hibbett quote is appropriate. Morrissey is a dick. He produced an album called Meat is Murder, which puts him pretty high on the wanker scale.

    But you know what? He made some good music.

    Just because a bunch of woke people promote venison doesn't lessen it as a food.
    It's restricted the choice at one of my favourite pubs. And I am royally pissed off.

    That's what I object to.

    If someone tries and tells me what to do I am liable to do the exact opposite, and then turn it up to eleven to spite them and teach them a lesson.
    It's not the venison you object to, it's the restriction of other choices.

    Which is perfectly reasonable. But that doesn't make venison in any way wrong or woke.
    I can see where Casino is coming from. He's rebelling against the woke showing him to eat venison but forbidding him from eating beef, pork, etc.

    I'm on a restricted diet for the next few days before a colonoscopy, and I'm starting to resent all the foods I'm allowed to eat.
    What I don’t understand is that @casinoroyale is a capitalist and the pub is privately owned.

    They’ve made a business decision on how to maximise their returns. He may not like it - and can take his business elsewhere. But why does he want a private enterprise to be forced to serve his segment of the market if it’s not in their perceived best interests?
    That's true in a textbook kind of way, but Casino was talking about one of his favourite pubs changing. A favourite pub, restaurant or cafe becomes more than just a business with which you conduct economic transactions. An emotional connection is created. The staff get to know you, what you like. You have a relationship.

    Now, it's like he's been dumped by his favourite pub. Personally rejected.
    Take it like a man/woman.
    πάντα ῥεῖ, as the miserable old philosopher Herakleitus probablky did not say. Which translated means, everything goes to shit sooner or later.
    Yup. Walk away and not look back. Happened a couple of times to places I really liked. Places that were old friends.

    I see a red door
    And I want it painted black
    No colors anymore
    I want them to turn black
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    WillG said:

    Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?

    As Team America put it - “Fuck Yeah”

    Have you ever tried pulled venison - slow cooked/smoked like pulled pork?
    I’ve only tried it twice.

    Hard to source Halal venison.
    This is a genuine question and I mean it with no disrespect - I just really want to understand the thinking. Am I right in saying that you drink alcohol and married a Christian? Is there a rationale for doing these things but eating halal?

    I don’t drink alcohol but I did marry an infidel.
    Ok. Which, having checked, is allowed for men but not women in Islam. So that makes sense.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,380

    OllyT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    I studied Environmental Science for some time. Venison is one of the best meats we could eat in the UK, nothing woke about it.
    It's Woke. You're a child

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    It's the sort of meat Greens and Lefties offer as an "alternative" to their veganism, and isn't very popular.

    Trust me, it's Woke.
    This sounds quite deranged to be honest.
    I used to like vension.

    It's been destroyed by the brand. Idiotic fellow travellers, like you.
    It's food.

    It's taste hasn't changed. It's calorie count hasn't changed. It's texture and the way it's cooked hasn't changed.

    Food doesn't have opinions.

    To quote MJ Hibbett in The Lesson of the Smiths:

    "Just because a bunch of wankers like it, doesn't mean that it's shit"
    The people that select the food you are able to purchase have opinions, that's the problem. And the taste absolutely does change if your choice is restricted.

    And food is so much more than raw calories.

    So much more.
    The MJ Hibbett quote is appropriate. Morrissey is a dick. He produced an album called Meat is Murder, which puts him pretty high on the wanker scale.

    But you know what? He made some good music.

    Just because a bunch of woke people promote venison doesn't lessen it as a food.
    It's restricted the choice at one of my favourite pubs. And I am royally pissed off.

    That's what I object to.

    If someone tries and tells me what to do I am liable to do the exact opposite, and then turn it up to eleven to spite them and teach them a lesson.
    It's not the venison you object to, it's the restriction of other choices.

    Which is perfectly reasonable. But that doesn't make venison in any way wrong or woke.
    I can see where Casino is coming from. He's rebelling against the woke showing him to eat venison but forbidding him from eating beef, pork, etc.

    I'm on a restricted diet for the next few days before a colonoscopy, and I'm starting to resent all the foods I'm allowed to eat.
    Businesses make their own decisions. There is no requirement that every pub and restaurant has to cater to CR's taste. I am a pescatarian so patronise restaurants that offer me a reasonable choice and avoid those that don't. It's really not difficult. CR appears to me to be someone that is extremely intolerant of other people's choices and has extremely short fuse to go along with it. Scratch the surface and a not very pleasant individual person lurks beneath as we we have seen this afternoon.
    I still get the pies taken out of me for inviting one of Colorado’s top cattle ranchers to a trendy SF fish restaurant…

    Sinn Fein do fish restaurants now, do they ?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    I studied Environmental Science for some time. Venison is one of the best meats we could eat in the UK, nothing woke about it.
    It's Woke. You're a child

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    It's the sort of meat Greens and Lefties offer as an "alternative" to their veganism, and isn't very popular.

    Trust me, it's Woke.
    This sounds quite deranged to be honest.
    I used to like vension.

    It's been destroyed by the brand. Idiotic fellow travellers, like you.
    It's food.

    It's taste hasn't changed. It's calorie count hasn't changed. It's texture and the way it's cooked hasn't changed.

    Food doesn't have opinions.

    To quote MJ Hibbett in The Lesson of the Smiths:

    "Just because a bunch of wankers like it, doesn't mean that it's shit"
    The people that select the food you are able to purchase have opinions, that's the problem. And the taste absolutely does change if your choice is restricted.

    And food is so much more than raw calories.

    So much more.
    The MJ Hibbett quote is appropriate. Morrissey is a dick. He produced an album called Meat is Murder, which puts him pretty high on the wanker scale.

    But you know what? He made some good music.

    Just because a bunch of woke people promote venison doesn't lessen it as a food.
    It's restricted the choice at one of my favourite pubs. And I am royally pissed off.

    That's what I object to.

    If someone tries and tells me what to do I am liable to do the exact opposite, and then turn it up to eleven to spite them and teach them a lesson.
    It's not the venison you object to, it's the restriction of other choices.

    Which is perfectly reasonable. But that doesn't make venison in any way wrong or woke.
    I can see where Casino is coming from. He's rebelling against the woke showing him to eat venison but forbidding him from eating beef, pork, etc.

    I'm on a restricted diet for the next few days before a colonoscopy, and I'm starting to resent all the foods I'm allowed to eat.
    What I don’t understand is that @casinoroyale is a capitalist and the pub is privately owned.

    They’ve made a business decision on how to maximise their returns. He may not like it - and can take his business elsewhere. But why does he want a private enterprise to be forced to serve his segment of the market if it’s not in their perceived best interests?
    That's true in a textbook kind of way, but Casino was talking about one of his favourite pubs changing. A favourite pub, restaurant or cafe becomes more than just a business with which you conduct economic transactions. An emotional connection is created. The staff get to know you, what you like. You have a relationship.

    Now, it's like he's been dumped by his favourite pub. Personally rejected.
    Take it like a man/woman.
    πάντα ῥεῖ, as the miserable old philosopher Herakleitus probablky did not say. Which translated means, everything goes to shit sooner or later.
    Yup. Walk away and not look back. Happened a couple of times to places I really liked. Places that were old friends.

    I see a red door
    And I want it painted black
    No colors anymore
    I want them to turn black
    Quite. Back in the old days when one could drink at lunchtime at work there was an old pub opposite my work. Hadn't been repainted for years, sofas as well as the usual stools and tables, standard lunch of shepherd's pie and local real ales. My pint was poured as soon as I walked in with the Guardian to read and headed to a sofa.

    The old couple running it retired, it got modernised ... never been back.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,214
    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    Mr. Max, DS9 has a lot to like. Damar's arc springs to mind, and the conversation Kira has with him about whether or not to bomb facilities after the Dominion choose to make sure every one has Cardassians present is interesting for the moral quandry it raises.

    Mr. Seal, I hardly ever watch new stuff (although I did get a box set of the first three seasons of The Expanse and liked it a lot. May watch House of the Dragon at some point). A problem can be when something seeks to claim the fanbase of an IP then changes it utterly for a 'modern audience' (Velma could be such an example).

    And sometimes writing quality is just atrocious. Yes, Galadriel taking a pyroclastic flow to the face and being just fine. I'm looking at you.

    The trouble is writers can't resist the Wokery.

    And, when they do, people just turn off.
    I stumbled across a series called “the boys” (I usually don’t like superhero things) and have never watched anything so non-correct. Attacks certain political positions but not from a pearl clutching standpoint and with dark humour.

    The best thing is that I have never heard the banned “C” word used so much outside of mumsnet.
    The Boys is fantastic. Karl Urban proving once again what a great actor he is.
    Season three is another level.
    The final scene genuinely chilling.
    Never heard of The Boys. Is it on Amazon Prime and is it free?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,380

    Venison.

    An acceptable topping on pizza?

    The ingredients: dough, a deer...
    That’s very good
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Finally got a winner in the last race. A horse called Sound Money. :)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,787
    F1: started work on the pre-race ramble, plan to post it tomorrow morning.

    Nicely set up for the race, though there's a fear Verstappen will just cruise off and leave the rest to fight for second.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,380
    Sandpit said:

    Finally got a winner in the last race. A horse called Sound Money. :)

    Nothing to do with any British govt for many a year.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028

    F1: started work on the pre-race ramble, plan to post it tomorrow morning.

    Nicely set up for the race, though there's a fear Verstappen will just cruise off and leave the rest to fight for second.

    Will be interesting to see the development race. Merc not as bad as I thought. McLaren utter dog
  • Taz said:

    OllyT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    I studied Environmental Science for some time. Venison is one of the best meats we could eat in the UK, nothing woke about it.
    It's Woke. You're a child

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    It's the sort of meat Greens and Lefties offer as an "alternative" to their veganism, and isn't very popular.

    Trust me, it's Woke.
    This sounds quite deranged to be honest.
    I used to like vension.

    It's been destroyed by the brand. Idiotic fellow travellers, like you.
    It's food.

    It's taste hasn't changed. It's calorie count hasn't changed. It's texture and the way it's cooked hasn't changed.

    Food doesn't have opinions.

    To quote MJ Hibbett in The Lesson of the Smiths:

    "Just because a bunch of wankers like it, doesn't mean that it's shit"
    The people that select the food you are able to purchase have opinions, that's the problem. And the taste absolutely does change if your choice is restricted.

    And food is so much more than raw calories.

    So much more.
    The MJ Hibbett quote is appropriate. Morrissey is a dick. He produced an album called Meat is Murder, which puts him pretty high on the wanker scale.

    But you know what? He made some good music.

    Just because a bunch of woke people promote venison doesn't lessen it as a food.
    It's restricted the choice at one of my favourite pubs. And I am royally pissed off.

    That's what I object to.

    If someone tries and tells me what to do I am liable to do the exact opposite, and then turn it up to eleven to spite them and teach them a lesson.
    It's not the venison you object to, it's the restriction of other choices.

    Which is perfectly reasonable. But that doesn't make venison in any way wrong or woke.
    I can see where Casino is coming from. He's rebelling against the woke showing him to eat venison but forbidding him from eating beef, pork, etc.

    I'm on a restricted diet for the next few days before a colonoscopy, and I'm starting to resent all the foods I'm allowed to eat.
    Businesses make their own decisions. There is no requirement that every pub and restaurant has to cater to CR's taste. I am a pescatarian so patronise restaurants that offer me a reasonable choice and avoid those that don't. It's really not difficult. CR appears to me to be someone that is extremely intolerant of other people's choices and has extremely short fuse to go along with it. Scratch the surface and a not very pleasant individual person lurks beneath as we we have seen this afternoon.
    I still get the pies taken out of me for inviting one of Colorado’s top cattle ranchers to a trendy SF fish restaurant…

    Sinn Fein do fish restaurants now, do they ?
    Their United Ireland sole is to die for.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,380

    Taz said:

    OllyT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    I studied Environmental Science for some time. Venison is one of the best meats we could eat in the UK, nothing woke about it.
    It's Woke. You're a child

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Lockdown" is a terrible word and covers a very wide variety of sins.

    A much better way of looking at this has to be restrictions, and what impact they had on the spread of the virus, as opposed to the costs on personal freedoms.

    So restrictions on nightclubs probably made a lot of sense, as did a requirement to wear masks in rush hour on public transport.

    While preventing people from meeting others, even outside!, was a massive invasion of personal liberty with very little evidence it will have had any meaningful impact on the spread of the virus.

    It was grotesque. It was quite Pol Pot esque, when you think about it. A surreal perversion of normal life for some infantile creed and no obvious purpose
    It's funny, because I was reading an article by a man called Sean Thomas today, about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. In it he described people smashing the heads of children against a tree, having been instructed to laugh out loud while swinging the infants.

    And you know what, I thought "wow, that was just like lockdown."

    I seem to remember SeanT reporting that he'd seen someone coughing in the fruit isle of his local supermarket and wanting to 'bury a knife in his head'. So perhaps for him it was.
    I've just gone to one of my favourite pubs in Alresford and discovered their specials board is now entirely "plant based" - and venison as the meat option on the main menu, which is the Wokies choice of meat - and now I want to bury a knife in the new owner/chefs head, so I know what that feels like.

    Might be why they only have three covers at 1pm on a Saturday.
    Venison is woke? Why? Isn't that the only mammal meat you can get that has to be hunted not farmed?
    It's the sort of meat Greens and Lefties offer as an "alternative" to their veganism, and isn't very popular.

    Trust me, it's Woke.
    This sounds quite deranged to be honest.
    I used to like vension.

    It's been destroyed by the brand. Idiotic fellow travellers, like you.
    It's food.

    It's taste hasn't changed. It's calorie count hasn't changed. It's texture and the way it's cooked hasn't changed.

    Food doesn't have opinions.

    To quote MJ Hibbett in The Lesson of the Smiths:

    "Just because a bunch of wankers like it, doesn't mean that it's shit"
    The people that select the food you are able to purchase have opinions, that's the problem. And the taste absolutely does change if your choice is restricted.

    And food is so much more than raw calories.

    So much more.
    The MJ Hibbett quote is appropriate. Morrissey is a dick. He produced an album called Meat is Murder, which puts him pretty high on the wanker scale.

    But you know what? He made some good music.

    Just because a bunch of woke people promote venison doesn't lessen it as a food.
    It's restricted the choice at one of my favourite pubs. And I am royally pissed off.

    That's what I object to.

    If someone tries and tells me what to do I am liable to do the exact opposite, and then turn it up to eleven to spite them and teach them a lesson.
    It's not the venison you object to, it's the restriction of other choices.

    Which is perfectly reasonable. But that doesn't make venison in any way wrong or woke.
    I can see where Casino is coming from. He's rebelling against the woke showing him to eat venison but forbidding him from eating beef, pork, etc.

    I'm on a restricted diet for the next few days before a colonoscopy, and I'm starting to resent all the foods I'm allowed to eat.
    Businesses make their own decisions. There is no requirement that every pub and restaurant has to cater to CR's taste. I am a pescatarian so patronise restaurants that offer me a reasonable choice and avoid those that don't. It's really not difficult. CR appears to me to be someone that is extremely intolerant of other people's choices and has extremely short fuse to go along with it. Scratch the surface and a not very pleasant individual person lurks beneath as we we have seen this afternoon.
    I still get the pies taken out of me for inviting one of Colorado’s top cattle ranchers to a trendy SF fish restaurant…

    Sinn Fein do fish restaurants now, do they ?
    Their United Ireland sole is to die for.
    So it is 👍
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