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  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,296

    I agree it's rather cringeworthy from Macron.
    At best he's shamelessly trying to milk photo-ops from his "sympathy" for the players - to the extent of discomforting them. At worst there is something genuinely homo-erotic going on and - in his no doubt sincere emotion (it was an incredible game) - he does not realise that he is crossing several lines in front of cameras

    And the speech to the team is pure wince

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,084
    biggles said:

    As the old saying goes, if you owe the bank £10k it’s your problem, but if you owe it £10Bn then it’s the bank’s problem.
    Or as Morgan Kelly memorably put it:

    'The ECB can learn the basic economic truth that when you lend €160 billion to insolvent banks backed by an insolvent state, you are no longer a creditor: you are the owner.'
  • Twitter's star intern might be out on his ear come Monday....

    You can’t run a country or company by banning discussion of leaving, you have to just provide a better service. This will backfire.

    https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/1604598789691518976
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,907
    Paul Graham, one of the smarter posters on Twitter, with over 1m followers (and who defended Musk’s takeover a month ago), has given up.

    His post saying nothing more than “you can find my new mastodon link on my personal website” had his account suspended.
  • Re Elon at the footy....did he get money for his twitter buy-out from Saudi / Qatar? Wonder if he has gone to ask for some (more) pennies?
  • Nigelb said:

    Paul Graham, one of the smarter posters on Twitter, with over 1m followers (and who defended Musk’s takeover a month ago), has given up.

    His post saying nothing more than “you can find my new mastodon link on my personal website” had his account suspended.

    He's hedging though:
    https://mas.to/@paulg/109536542792559441
  • If Elon's erratic behaviour is aimed at getting people talking about twitter, it seems to be working on PB at least.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    He's hedging though:
    https://mas.to/@paulg/109536542792559441
    I know, what a doofus. He did say that before he got suspended though.

    His snivelling deference to Musk I put down to sunk cost fallacy after he did his "Lol idiots, Musk makes rocket ships go zoom - how hard can running a social network be" posts.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    edited December 2022
    I do wonder whether this lesson in how quickly a social network can fall apart will/should impact on the valuation of Meta, for example.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,847

    But you can instagram...lots of these sites seem to have inconsistent and random rules in terms of links elsewhere.
    Inconsistent and random if you don’t know the ownership of the sites/apps

    For example - you can’t buy kindle books (Amazon) on the iPhone App for Amazon. Ever wonder why?
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,882
    biggles said:

    I do wonder whether this lesson in how quickly a social network can fall apart will/should impact on the valuation of Meta, for example.

    I wonder how MySpace and Bebo are doing these days.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,492

    Inconsistent and random if you don’t know the ownership of the sites/apps

    For example - you can’t buy kindle books (Amazon) on the iPhone App for Amazon. Ever wonder why?
    Because Apple would take 30%.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,814

    I agree it's rather cringeworthy from Macron.
    One of the weirdest things I’ve seen. Head rub. Tummy pat. Snuggly headlock. There there doggy, it’s ok.

    Mbappe looks like he wants to deck him as he walks away. Would have been epic if he had.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,164
    I believe England won the best goal difference World Cup. Yay!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,847

    Because Apple would take 30%.
    It’s more than that - iBooks.

    Straight up, “no you can’t sell your stuff on our platform.”

    Otherwise Apple would have refused the Amazon App completely.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,047
    Nigelb said:

    Paul Graham, one of the smarter posters on Twitter, with over 1m followers (and who defended Musk’s takeover a month ago), has given up.

    His post saying nothing more than “you can find my new mastodon link on my personal website” had his account suspended.

    Paul Graham is very close to Peter Thiel.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,047

    Because Apple would take 30%.
    And Musk is right to criticize the Apple tax.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,882

    I believe England won the best goal difference World Cup. Yay!

    Someone should be along soon to say it doesn't work like that.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,084
    rcs1000 said:

    And Musk is right to criticize the Apple tax.
    It's the core of the issue.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,047
    biggles said:

    I do wonder whether this lesson in how quickly a social network can fall apart will/should impact on the valuation of Meta, for example.

    It hasn't fallen apart. Usage of Twitter is great, not least because Musk is generating an enormous amount of controversy.

    But it may do in the future.
  • DJ41DJ41 Posts: 792
    edited December 2022
    kle4 said:

    Really its just a shame Musk cannot run for US President, as he's clearly the right person to spend an entire presidency and aftermath on winding people up on twitter.

    He'd push the envelope further in more than one of the directions that Trump pushed it.

    * He's a centibillionaire, not a mere billionaire.
    * Arguably he's an ultrad*ckhead on Sh*tter whereas Trump was a mere superd*ckhead.
    * He'd probably find it easier to win votes from youngsters.

    On other measures he's at par, lagging behind, or signally different.

    * Both men have a record doing comedy stuff to large audiences.
    * He is a liar but he's nowhere near at Trump's level.
    * He's saner than Trump. That's an awfully low bar, but I think he meets it.
    * AFAICT, he works hard. Trump's business is mainly his brand.

    Musk has a short surname, though - a well-known advantage.

    Kennedy 7
    Johnson 7
    Nixon 5
    Ford 4
    Carter 6
    Reagan 6
    Bush 4
    Clinton 7
    Obama 5
    Trump 5
    Biden 5

    Only 10% of surnames in the US have 4 or fewer letters.
    Only 28% have 5 or fewer.

    Musk can run. But the only realistic way he could get himself accepted as eligible to become US president would be if the Supreme Court were to declare that the natural born citizen requirement has already been repealed implicitly and is therefore a dead letter. Unlikely.

    Bayesians all know Cromwell's Law though.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,492
    ydoethur said:

    It's the core of the issue.
    Denis Healey would know what to do with Apple.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    edited December 2022
    ydoethur said:

    It's the core of the issue.
    They don't want to be squeezed until the pips squeal. That has no a peel to Amazon.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    WillG said:

    Which should also be regulated. These companies need to pick: either they are publishers with editorial control, and they are held liable for content on their websites, or they are platforms and have a responsibility for neutrality to users.
    You are seriously arguing that these sites should have to allow posting anti vaxx stuff....how ivermectin is a cure for covid because that is what you are asking for by saying they cant moderate.

    In the old days when we just had publishers most of us had no voice beyond the bar room. Now we have sites like this and can send our voice out far further. Personally I see that a good thing despite there being some downsides. Sites like twitter or youtube cant be held to be publishers without cutting down the amount of content down to 1% hell even PB would struggle if it had to read every post first before allowing it to appear.

    Frankly what you are asking for is bollocks and the only way to achieve it is to turn the web from a many to many publishing system to the bad old days where only approved voices were allowed
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,084

    Denis Healey would know what to do with Apple.
    Held do them for in cider trading.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,882
    Foxy said:

    They don't want to be squeezed until the pips squeal. That has no a peel to Amazon.
    It could harm the turnover.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    rcs1000 said:

    It hasn't fallen apart. Usage of Twitter is great, not least because Musk is generating an enormous amount of controversy.

    But it may do in the future.
    Usage up, advertising down is not a great combination.

    Yes I'm posting more tweets dunking on Elon than ever before but the quality of add I am seeing is the absolute pits.
  • MaxPB said:

    Yes, they want you to post the goats, just as Instagram want you to make the reel of your goats rather than link to the TikTok that has your goats on it. It's fair.
    https://cryptodon.lol/@edmundedgar/109532591182589422
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,084

    It could harm the turnover.
    I seem to have accidentally started a train of appalling Apple puns. Which is one of my worse Jobs.

    Ah, my dressing gown.

    Good night all.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    Alistair said:

    Usage up, advertising down is not a great combination.

    Yes I'm posting more tweets dunking on Elon than ever before but the quality of add I am seeing is the absolute pits.
    The feed algorithm is showing me even more garbage than ever.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    ydoethur said:

    I seem to have accidentally started a train of appalling Apple puns. Which is one of my worse Jobs.

    Ah, my dressing gown.

    Good night all.
    An imac-ulate exit!
  • Sacked in the morning....sacked in the morning.....your getting sacked in the morning...

    Fastest speedrun of “free speech” ever
    https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/1604604888725364737
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,847
    DJ41 said:

    That obedience doesn't imply bravery or "grit" is self-evident and doesn't require a logical argument, even if an entire raft of sealions say they want one.
    What-if the Sea Lions are really controlled by ASBs?

    £5 to the charity of the winners choice if they can work out the references in that sentence.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,878
    This discussion of Twitter is leaving me as baffled as a PB bod with no interest in cricket.
    Who cares?
    Youse lot deeply obviously. But the vast majority don't.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,814

    Sacked in the morning....sacked in the morning.....your getting sacked in the morning...

    Fastest speedrun of “free speech” ever
    https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/1604604888725364737

    “Specifically, we will remove accounts created solely for the purpose of promoting other social platforms and content that contains links or usernames for the following platforms: Facebook, Instagram, Mastodon, Truth Social, Tribel, Nostr and Post.”

    “We still allow cross-posting content from any social media platform. Posting links or usernames to social media platforms not listed above are also not in violation of this policy.“

    Hard to see what there is to get worked up about from this
  • DJ41DJ41 Posts: 792
    edited December 2022
    WillG said:

    Which should also be regulated. These companies need to pick: either they are publishers with editorial control, and they are held liable for content on their websites, or they are platforms and have a responsibility for neutrality to users.
    That knotty issue has been sitting there for more than 25 years and it remains unresolved.

    Just chip-implant everyone in the head, or otherwise ensure that the state or corpstate knows exactly who posts exactly what (increasingly in advance). Then impose penalties and rewards accordingly. Elon Musk's Neuralink will help. Xi Jinping will too.

    Think different. Be like Alexander. Slice the Gordian knot. The issue won't stay there forever in its present form.

    Did someone think the internet meant more freedom? Suckers!
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    moonshine said:

    “Specifically, we will remove accounts created solely for the purpose of promoting other social platforms and content that contains links or usernames for the following platforms: Facebook, Instagram, Mastodon, Truth Social, Tribel, Nostr and Post.”

    “We still allow cross-posting content from any social media platform. Posting links or usernames to social media platforms not listed above are also not in violation of this policy.“

    Hard to see what there is to get worked up about from this
    Yes, I agree. Musk is a prat, but not everything he does or will do is malign. There’s some vague sense he wants/wanted Twitter to actually turn a profit, which this is in line with, and some people seem to dislike that more than anything else.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    DJ41 said:

    That knotty issue has been sitting there for more than 25 years and it remains unresolved.

    Just chip-implant everyone in the head, or otherwise ensure that the state or corpstate knows exactly who posts exactly what (increasingly in advance). Then impose penalties and rewards accordingly. Elon Musk's Neuralink will help. Xi Jinping will too.

    Think different. Be like Alexander. Slice the Gordian knot. The issue won't stay there forever in its present form.

    Did someone think the internet meant more freedom? Suckers!
    Your comments are increasingly bizarre.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,847
    edited December 2022
    biggles said:

    Yes, I agree. Musk is a prat, but not everything he does or will do is malign. There’s some vague sense he wants/wanted Twitter to actually turn a profit, which this is in line with, and some people seem to dislike that more than anything else.
    One entertainment in all this is the flipping of positions. The other days I and some others were discussing the Soyuz leak issue in a forum, when a long comes a contributor who insists that we *have* to discuss Musk….

    And then regurgitates a mass of MAGA talking points about Musk from about 5 years ago.

    And was incadesent with rage when told that that he was acting MAGA…

  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    biggles said:

    Yes, I agree. Musk is a prat, but not everything he does or will do is malign. There’s some vague sense he wants/wanted Twitter to actually turn a profit, which this is in line with, and some people seem to dislike that more than anything else.
    Profitability is fine. But if you are editorializing content, you are a publisher and should be held accountable like one.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,907
    edited December 2022
    .
    rcs1000 said:

    Paul Graham is very close to Peter Thiel.

    More to the point, he’s not political, and a lot of people follow him.

    This is on point.

    https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1604610588084166656
    Wow.

    @elonmusk, as a Twitter user I see this as a highly arbitrary decision. You may say: you don't care how I see it. Fair enough. Unfortunately, arbitrary rule affects everyone's personal strategies. If you are subject to it, you can't realistically plan anything long-term


    The people who make Twitter worthwhile are the smart folk who post interesting stuff for free. That is the core of Elon’s new toy, and he’s busy dismantling it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,847
    WillG said:

    Profitability is fine. But if you are editorializing content, you are a publisher and should be held accountable like one.
    That ship sailed, hit an iceberg, sank, was lost, found, raised, sunk by Nazis, raised again, sunk, raised, scraped and made into moderately amusing jewlery a long long time ago.

    Unless you want to shit down all comments on the internet.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735

    That ship sailed, hit an iceberg, sank, was lost, found, raised, sunk by Nazis, raised again, sunk, raised, scraped and made into moderately amusing jewlery a long long time ago.

    Unless you want to shit down all comments on the internet.
    It amuses me that, as with me, your autocorrect assumes “shit” is more likely than “shut”. Also “shitting down” comments rather sums up the internet.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    That ship sailed, hit an iceberg, sank, was lost, found, raised, sunk by Nazis, raised again, sunk, raised, scraped and made into moderately amusing jewlery a long long time ago.

    Unless you want to shit down all comments on the internet.
    Comments on the internet sites like this one are regulated. That is why the moderators quickly ban people here for libelous claims. But Musk has fired the content team and claims to be a platform that takes no responsibility for its content. While also killing all content that Musk doesn't like.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,907
    biggles said:

    Yes, I agree. Musk is a prat, but not everything he does or will do is malign. There’s some vague sense he wants/wanted Twitter to actually turn a profit, which this is in line with, and some people seem to dislike that more than anything else.
    That’s simply not true, I think.
    Twitter actually made quite a lot of money for a couple of years, and could have done so again without anyone being bothered about it.

    I for one couldn’t care less whether Musk makes money out of it. What bothers me is that he’s destroying something that had considerable utility for me, and a lot of other people.

    In financial terms, the damaging thing he did was load the business with a billion a year debt interest payments. That made radical change necessary purely for financial reasons, and it’s not working out so far.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,492
    WillG said:

    Comments on the internet sites like this one are regulated. That is why the moderators quickly ban people here for libelous claims. But Musk has fired the content team and claims to be a platform that takes no responsibility for its content. While also killing all content that Musk doesn't like.
    Twitter previously had arbitrary moderation policies so this is nothing new.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    Twitter previously had arbitrary moderation policies so this is nothing new.
    It did previously have arbitrary moderation, but this is definitely new. Musk is now using it to punish personal criticism of him and to prevent links to competitors.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited December 2022
    Nigelb said:

    That’s simply not true, I think.
    Twitter actually made quite a lot of money for a couple of years, and could have done so again without anyone being bothered about it.

    I for one couldn’t care less whether Musk makes money out of it. What bothers me is that he’s destroying something that had considerable utility for me, and a lot of other people.

    In financial terms, the damaging thing he did was load the business with a billion a year debt interest payments. That made radical change necessary purely for financial reasons, and it’s not working out so far.
    The 2 years twitter made money, it wasn't really through user or revenue growth, it was through big cost savings, also I seemed to remember there was some special "one off" accounting that really boostered the numbers. Trying to remember exactly what it was, I remember watching a really boring video about it.

    During the pandemic twitter then doubled head count while revenue struggled.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,847

    Twitter previously had arbitrary moderation policies so this is nothing new.
    Indeed - and it is the change in moderation, not it’s absence, that is upsetting people.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,307
    dixiedean said:

    This discussion of Twitter is leaving me as baffled as a PB bod with no interest in cricket.
    Who cares?
    Youse lot deeply obviously. But the vast majority don't.

    Given how often 'spat on Twitter' seems to form the basis of major news stories nowadays I have been astonished not to see very twist and turn splashed all over the BBC front page every day.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,047
    Alistair said:
    You know, I appreciate that about Musk: he's not afraid to change his mind.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Elon Musk again.

    FFS.

    W H O C A R E S?

    Can I suggest a prolonged discussion about the effect of What3Words on Boris’ weight instead?
  • kle4 said:

    Given how often 'spat on Twitter' seems to form the basis of major news stories nowadays I have been astonished not to see very twist and turn splashed all over the BBC front page every day.
    We get it on Japanese news as well.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,047

    Twitter previously had arbitrary moderation policies so this is nothing new.
    One of the things that the "Twitter Files" showed, though, was that the moderation team at Twitter agonized over whether the release of the Hunter Biden story contravened their rules on hacked information.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,047
    WillG said:

    Your comments are increasingly bizarre.
    Oh come come.

    @DJ41 is by far the best Russian paid poster we've ever had, so much better than any of the previous models, and I'd be loathe to lose him.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735

    Elon Musk again.

    FFS.

    W H O C A R E S?

    Can I suggest a prolonged discussion about the effect of What3Words on Boris’ weight instead?

    I can definitely sum up Boris in three words.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,907
    edited December 2022
    kle4 said:

    Given how often 'spat on Twitter' seems to form the basis of major news stories nowadays I have been astonished not to see very twist and turn splashed all over the BBC front page every day.
    There was a longish discussion on WATO today.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,047
    Alistair said:

    Usage up, advertising down is not a great combination.

    Yes I'm posting more tweets dunking on Elon than ever before but the quality of add I am seeing is the absolute pits.
    You are posting... Tweets.

    It is entirely possible that Musk drives Twitter into the abyss. But for now, it's doing (user-wise) just fine.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    I'm hoping for 52/48 obviously.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,847
    rcs1000 said:

    Oh come come.

    @DJ41 is by far the best Russian paid poster we've ever had, so much better than any of the previous models, and I'd be loathe to lose him.
    Please sir, can we have a better Russian troll for Christmas?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,907
    SSE begins work on hydrogen storage cavern on Yorkshire coast
    Exclusive: Renewable energy will be kept in cathedral-sized cave for freezing, windless conditions
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/18/sse-begins-work-on-hydrogen-storage-cavern-on-yorkshire-coast
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited December 2022
    Should I step down as head of Twitter? I will abide by the results of this poll. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604617643973124097
  • Alistair said:

    I'm hoping for 52/48 obviously.

    Once in a generation 55-45 currently.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,141
    People who complain about Twitter but carry on using the platform are being a bit silly IMO. Like complaining about Ryanair's seating policies but continuing to use it because it's cheap.
  • Should I step down as head of Twitter? I will abide by the results of this poll. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604617643973124097

    Kind of depends who he'd be putting in charge instead, doesn't it? George Hotz would be fun, David Sacks would be icky.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,492

    Kind of depends who he'd be putting in charge instead, doesn't it? George Hotz would be fun, David Sacks would be icky.
    He's found someone in LA who knows how to wield the banhammer. Negative tweets about Radiohead are going to be vigorously suppressed.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924

    Should I step down as head of Twitter? I will abide by the results of this poll. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604617643973124097

    11 mins ago "careful what you wish for"
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    rcs1000 said:

    One of the things that the "Twitter Files" showed, though, was that the moderation team at Twitter agonized over whether the release of the Hunter Biden story contravened their rules on hacked information.
    Agonised over how they could claim that it did, anyway.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477
    ...
    rcs1000 said:

    You know, I appreciate that about Musk: he's not afraid to change his mind.
    He seems to be a learner by do-er. Fine with social networks. Less happy with that attitude applied to cars.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,877
    Nigelb said:

    SSE begins work on hydrogen storage cavern on Yorkshire coast
    Exclusive: Renewable energy will be kept in cathedral-sized cave for freezing, windless conditions
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/18/sse-begins-work-on-hydrogen-storage-cavern-on-yorkshire-coast

    Interesting. Presumably quite inefficient but that might not matter too much unless someone else can use the electricity.

    I hope the site is not too near the coast as Holderness is disappearing into the sea at quite a rate. There was a recent project at Withernsea involving shipping boulders from Norway but as usual this has just accelerated the problem south of the defended area, so yet another facility to defend won't help.

    The big gas terminal at Easington is trouble enough...
  • DJ41DJ41 Posts: 792
    rcs1000 said:

    Oh come come.

    @DJ41 is by far the best Russian paid poster we've ever had, so much better than any of the previous models, and I'd be loathe to lose him.
    Nice one :smiley: Even funnier because three quarters of the readership will nod in agreement without realising your joke is at their expense!

    But loath not loathe.
  • DJ41DJ41 Posts: 792
    edited December 2022
    Currently 57-43 "Yes" to should Musk stand down as head of Twitter. Votes so far 6.5m. Cf. 0.5m for the poll on whether to unsuspend accounts that according to him doxxed his location.

    Look out for Musk polls on directly him-related stuff, not particularly closely tied to his ownership of Sh*tter. And carefully chosen.
  • DJ41DJ41 Posts: 792
    DJ41 said:

    Currently 57-43 "Yes" to should Musk stand down as head of Twitter. Votes so far 6.5m. Cf. 0.5m for the poll on whether to unsuspend accounts that according to him doxxed his location.

    Look out for Musk polls on directly him-related stuff, not particularly closely tied to his ownership of Sh*tter. And carefully chosen.

    6.9m now, in a poll that opened less than 2.5 hours ago.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    Driver said:

    Agonised over how they could claim that it did, anyway.
    Over how they could claim they did in private emails that weren't released.
  • New thread.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,116

    Interesting. Presumably quite inefficient but that might not matter too much unless someone else can use the electricity.

    I hope the site is not too near the coast as Holderness is disappearing into the sea at quite a rate. There was a recent project at Withernsea involving shipping boulders from Norway but as usual this has just accelerated the problem south of the defended area, so yet another facility to defend won't help.

    The big gas terminal at Easington is trouble enough...
    I walked along that stretch of coast in October 2002. The rows of cuts corn stalks ended right at the edge of the cliffs, showing that a considerable distance (enough to turn a combine) of land had disappeared in the few months since harvest. It's quite amazing. Likewise, you can see radical change in the coast at Happisburgh year-on-year.

    I bet some of the cliffs I walked along the coast are now five or ten metres out to sea.
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