Why would an MP fuss over "drafting" a no confidence letter?
All it needs to say is
"Dear Graham, I have no confidence in Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservative party. Kind regards, [Forename] [Surname], MP for [Constituency]".
Well, if it were Liz Truss, for example, she'd really need to take her time and check everything very carefully, to avoid those mistakes that are so easy to fall into - such as signing it "Rishi Sunak".
“EXCLUSIVE: New classified report to Congress says only HALF of UFO sightings can be properly explained, leaving nearly 200 mysteries unsolved - as critics say investigators 'glossed over' unknown cases”
Why do the mods give you a pass time after time after time? I thought after yesterday's appalling post that would be it. But no, not even a new nom de plume...
Well that’s where you’re wrong
Ah well. The pics you crib off other people's IG accounts are nice though.
Why Thankyou. On that subject I had this today for the first time
Hakarl. Rotting fermented shark meat buried underground for 3 months to purge most of the urine
It is as disgusting as it sounds. In a lifetime of professionally sampling horrible exotic foods this went straight into the top ten
I was once advised never to sample local 'delicacies', on the basis those that are not awful are probably literally offal.
I'm sure many are a surprise on the upside, but if that description is right it sounds like starvation food only.
The Dinghy People Thing is approaching crisis status. I have yet to see even the vaguest suggestion of a solution - from anyone (Tories or Labour or anyone). Apart from Rwanda. Which has not even been tried, and which might likely fail, but we won’t know til we try
When Labour become the government in 2024 (as they surely will) this will be their problem. I wonder what they will do, with so many on their side saying, in effect “just let them all in”
There must be a point where appointing a stream of Home Secretaries who constantly bang on about channel migrants becomes an electoral liability for the Tories because all their bluster is achieving is to highlight that it's still happening on their watch. I don't know what the solution is, but I suspect it involves bunging France a vast wad of cash to make the problem go away, and that's best done quietly, behind the scenes.
No it doesn't; once the migrants are in France with the intention of coming to the UK, no amount of money will convince the French on the ground to man barricades to keep them in France.
The pull factor needs to be eliminated. The success rate of the channel crossings needs to go down to zero, and the nearer it can get to zero, the more the situation will ease.
I think the major economic challenges, invasion of Ukraine, energy crisis, illegal immigration issue and others are big issues that make predicting next election extremely difficult. It is far too simplistic to assume that the Tories will inevitably get it in the neck at the next election. Take illegal immigration. I think this is brewing up. All over the country hotels are being filled. Some are landmark buildings. You couldn't invent a better way of causing public disquiet. Problem for Labour is they will be seen as worse than the Tories on this issue and can only gain if Reform or similar pick up Tory votes. On the economy if people are worried that will take precedence over any motivation to punish the Tories in my opinion. If Sunak and Hunt can look more competent or less risky than Labour then a lot of votes will swing back. As a minimum LP would have to have a very pared back programme on expenditure, but will they? A lot of votes are soft I think outside the hardcore 20% for each party.
Problem is your scenario appears to presume competence on immigration will be enough on its own. Which for them it had better be, since they don't appear to have an answer for most other things, and others are beyond their control.
Why would an MP fuss over "drafting" a no confidence letter?
All it needs to say is
"Dear Graham, I have no confidence in Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservative party. Kind regards, [Forename] [Surname], MP for [Constituency]".
Well, if it were Liz Truss, for example, she'd really need to take her time and check everything very carefully, to avoid those mistakes that are so easy to fall into - such as signing it "Rishi Sunak".
Liz didn't make any mistakes in her written responses to resignations - she used the correct form as every PM before her had done. I wouldn't want you to make yourself look stupid by unwittingly repeating a falsehood.
“EXCLUSIVE: New classified report to Congress says only HALF of UFO sightings can be properly explained, leaving nearly 200 mysteries unsolved - as critics say investigators 'glossed over' unknown cases”
Why do the mods give you a pass time after time after time? I thought after yesterday's appalling post that would be it. But no, not even a new nom de plume...
Well that’s where you’re wrong
Ah well. The pics you crib off other people's IG accounts are nice though.
Why Thankyou. On that subject I had this today for the first time
Hakarl. Rotting fermented shark meat buried underground for 3 months to purge most of the urine
It is as disgusting as it sounds. In a lifetime of professionally sampling horrible exotic foods this went straight into the top ten
I was once advised never to sample local 'delicacies', on the basis those that are not awful are probably literally offal.
I'm sure many are a surprise on the upside, but if that description is right it sounds like starvation food only.
Oh no, always sample local delicacies, you can discover wonderful things
Admittedly many of them ARE offal, but they can be nice - like the late night tripe sandwiches in Florence - and, yes, sometimes you literally want to throw up, but I don’t see the point in travelling - to see new things - then not trying new foods. Isn’t that the point? Newness. We travel for the New
Big show of support from Tory MPs and cabinet members
She's just said that taxpayers are funding 35,000 migrants in hotels already - can this be right? That's the population of a decent-sized town.
We are apparently paying £7m a DAY to house these people in Premier Inns, so that seems perfectly possible
£7m divided by 35,000 = £200 a day
That’s room plus food and essentials and security etc. Makes total sense
Thats what happens if you stop funding the courts......all entirely predictable and a failure of the Home Secretary and her equally authoritarian predecessors. All chasing press headlines with no care about if the system works or not. Indeed fixing the problem, would give the Home Secretaries less visibility with the press.
Not sure that is the case. How many of those are already accepted as successful asylum claimants - like the Afghans I mentioned earlier - but we just don't yet have any permanent homes for them. According to the British Government, as of August, we had accepted 21,000 Afghans as legitimate refugees in the aftermath of our withdrawal almost all because of their association with British forces.
That is just more of the same issue of lack of up front investment and planning. So it is costing us £1.2m a day to put them in hotels and the government budget to move them into housing is £10m a year coming down to £2m a year in the third year???
These people are completely incompetent and clueless. Do not let them anywhere near our finances. They are unwilling to fund anything that seems like it might be helping refugees so end up paying many multiples extra in emergency fixes instead. And that money comes from us and the lack of planning and investment does nothing to help manage migration.
“EXCLUSIVE: New classified report to Congress says only HALF of UFO sightings can be properly explained, leaving nearly 200 mysteries unsolved - as critics say investigators 'glossed over' unknown cases”
Why do the mods give you a pass time after time after time? I thought after yesterday's appalling post that would be it. But no, not even a new nom de plume...
Well that’s where you’re wrong
Ah well. The pics you crib off other people's IG accounts are nice though.
Why Thankyou. On that subject I had this today for the first time
Hakarl. Rotting fermented shark meat buried underground for 3 months to purge most of the urine
It is as disgusting as it sounds. In a lifetime of professionally sampling horrible exotic foods this went straight into the top ten
I was once advised never to sample local 'delicacies', on the basis those that are not awful are probably literally offal.
I'm sure many are a surprise on the upside, but if that description is right it sounds like starvation food only.
Oh no, always sample local delicacies, you can discover wonderful things
Admittedly many of them ARE offal, but they can be nice - like the late night tripe sandwiches in Florence - and, yes, sometimes you literally want to throw up, but I don’t see the point in travelling - to see new things - then not trying new foods. Isn’t that the point? Newness. We travel for the New
OTOH some of them might be a piss-take (so to speak in this shark case) by the locals perpetrated upon the tourists. Like deep-fried Mars bars in Edinburgh.
“EXCLUSIVE: New classified report to Congress says only HALF of UFO sightings can be properly explained, leaving nearly 200 mysteries unsolved - as critics say investigators 'glossed over' unknown cases”
Why do the mods give you a pass time after time after time? I thought after yesterday's appalling post that would be it. But no, not even a new nom de plume...
Well that’s where you’re wrong
Ah well. The pics you crib off other people's IG accounts are nice though.
Why Thankyou. On that subject I had this today for the first time
Hakarl. Rotting fermented shark meat buried underground for 3 months to purge most of the urine
It is as disgusting as it sounds. In a lifetime of professionally sampling horrible exotic foods this went straight into the top ten
I was once advised never to sample local 'delicacies', on the basis those that are not awful are probably literally offal.
I'm sure many are a surprise on the upside, but if that description is right it sounds like starvation food only.
Oh no, always sample local delicacies, you can discover wonderful things
Admittedly many of them ARE offal, but they can be nice - like the late night tripe sandwiches in Florence - and, yes, sometimes you literally want to throw up, but I don’t see the point in travelling - to see new things - then not trying new foods. Isn’t that the point? Newness. We travel for the New
Too many still behave like Raymond Briggs’ Father Christmas.
The whole point of the Braverman performance was to tick every hard right box imaginable, using the most inflammatory language, and so to make it impossible for Sunak to sack her without major political repercussions. Her message to him is basically: "If I go, you do too". And Sunak's problem is that she could well be right.
The whole point of the Braverman performance was to tick every hard right box imaginable, using the most inflammatory language, and so to make it impossible for Sunak to sack her without major political repercussions. Her message to him is basically: "If I go, you do too". And Sunak's problem is that she could well be right.
The thing is, she knows she is right; the current level of boat people is unsustainable, and when you know there's no comeback, you can go completely ham on something and challenge people to oppose you.
What is more challenging for her is solving the damn thing.
Suella Braverman is disgusted with how much money is being spent on asylum hotels, says she couldn't believe it when she found out when she became Home Secretary. She's gonna be shocked when she finds out she was in the cabinet that approved and caused it.
The whole point of the Braverman performance was to tick every hard right box imaginable, using the most inflammatory language, and so to make it impossible for Sunak to sack her without major political repercussions.
You make her sound like one of Tony Blair's Home Secretaries.
The whole point of the Braverman performance was to tick every hard right box imaginable, using the most inflammatory language, and so to make it impossible for Sunak to sack her without major political repercussions. Her message to him is basically: "If I go, you do too". And Sunak's problem is that she could well be right.
Which is why he should have appointed some other hard right ideologue. They might at least have been competent.
I don't believe this. They're being stupid if they are already drafting letters.
He's proving himself a fool. All he had to do was look like a serious man for serious times and I've no doubt his numbers would improve. Instead he chose the stupidest Cabinet Minister available to appoint as Home Secretary and the back biting started.
He then did a Boris Johnson tribute act for his first PMQs and chose as his first policy announcement that COP 2 would be ignored.
As the criticism rained down-what did he expect-he announced he might go after all. Then the doubts started to return.......
Being charitable he suffers from small man syndrome. More likely he's just been over promoted. The Emperor without clothes. Put your money on Hunt
Some reasonable sounding ideas were proposed upthread to the asylum crisis.
However, they all involve spending money and or proper planning which the government won’t do and is possibly not capable of.
It prefers to grandstand.
They are all versions of “let them all in”. Apart from Rwanda, or @Dura_Ace’s “tow them back to France or tow them to international waters”
The French will never let us return these people. The French want them gone. It is politically impossible for a French Prez to accept us returning them
The idea that “faster, better funded asylum services” will slow the flood is utterly ridiculous liberal bollocks. It just means that those who get accepted at glossy new asylum centres will be welcomed in, faster, and those that get refused will, er, come across the Channel as they do now. Where they will be accepted, as well
It is astonishing that 90% of PB-ers (not a dim group of people) seem unable to grasp this
The whole point of the Braverman performance was to tick every hard right box imaginable, using the most inflammatory language, and so to make it impossible for Sunak to sack her without major political repercussions.
You make her sound like one of Tony Blair's Home Secretaries.
You are correct that Labour Home Secretaries also chase press headlines instead of solving problems or managing their department properly. It is a very silly and expensive way to run the country. The ones who have been in power for 12 years have to take responsibility for it now though, deflection won't cut the mustard any more.
“EXCLUSIVE: New classified report to Congress says only HALF of UFO sightings can be properly explained, leaving nearly 200 mysteries unsolved - as critics say investigators 'glossed over' unknown cases”
Why do the mods give you a pass time after time after time? I thought after yesterday's appalling post that would be it. But no, not even a new nom de plume...
Well that’s where you’re wrong
Ah well. The pics you crib off other people's IG accounts are nice though.
Why Thankyou. On that subject I had this today for the first time
Hakarl. Rotting fermented shark meat buried underground for 3 months to purge most of the urine
It is as disgusting as it sounds. In a lifetime of professionally sampling horrible exotic foods this went straight into the top ten
I was once advised never to sample local 'delicacies', on the basis those that are not awful are probably literally offal.
I'm sure many are a surprise on the upside, but if that description is right it sounds like starvation food only.
Oh no, always sample local delicacies, you can discover wonderful things
Admittedly many of them ARE offal, but they can be nice - like the late night tripe sandwiches in Florence - and, yes, sometimes you literally want to throw up, but I don’t see the point in travelling - to see new things - then not trying new foods. Isn’t that the point? Newness. We travel for the New
OTOH some of them might be a piss-take (so to speak in this shark case) by the locals perpetrated upon the tourists. Like deep-fried Mars bars in Edinburgh.
I thought there was an echt and original deep fried mars bar? As in, they really were a local delicacy in some benighted chippy in Dundee or wherever?
I accept that they are now a wider, national joke viewed ironically on all sides, but I believe there is authenticity at the heart
The problem is "solving" asylum by sending them all out would not make Britain better off than just letting then all in, so the powers that be will go with the cheapest strategy that sends the message the typical person wants to hear.
The whole point of the Braverman performance was to tick every hard right box imaginable, using the most inflammatory language, and so to make it impossible for Sunak to sack her without major political repercussions.
You make her sound like one of Tony Blair's Home Secretaries.
I think Tony Blair dealt with a similar surge in asylum around 2003, and resolved it, although I can't recall how without researching.
Odd that literally nobody was talking about austerity three months ago, and now it’s become grim necessity all of a sudden.
It’s because Sunak doesn’t seem to believe in anything much politically apart from running a balanced budget. “If we are not for sound money what are we for”.
The whole point of the Braverman performance was to tick every hard right box imaginable, using the most inflammatory language, and so to make it impossible for Sunak to sack her without major political repercussions. Her message to him is basically: "If I go, you do too". And Sunak's problem is that she could well be right.
The thing is, she knows she is right; the current level of boat people is unsustainable, and when you know there's no comeback, you can go completely ham on something and challenge people to oppose you.
What is more challenging for her is solving the damn thing.
It's a classic dividing line issue, thought, because the Left - and plenty of (most?) liberal centrists too - refuse to accept it's even an issue, and to the extent they do they argue to make it easier, and therefore cede the entire terrain to the Conservatives - even though they have abjectly failed to solve it.
It's clever politics. It's risky for the Conservatives only if they get outflanked to the Right.
I wonder if there is a connection between Brexit and this asylum influx.
If there is, it is utterly trivial
Migration flows are surging around the world, and migrants are getting more desperate even as others learn how to exploit them with cleverer sales pitches. Is the influx in the Aegean, or in Lampedusa, or at the gates of Ceuta, or on the Tex-Mex border, anything to do with Brexit? Of course not. Yet the surge is real
Odd that literally nobody was talking about austerity three months ago, and now it’s become grim necessity all of a sudden.
It’s because Sunak doesn’t seem to believe in anything much politically apart from running a balanced budget. “If we are not for sound money what are we for”.
He doesn't believe in that, though. He deficit-spent to stimulate the economy for two years during Covid, then when his approval ratings dropped, he deficit-spent on the fuel subsidy stimulus. To pay for it he promised taxes would go up in the future. Now the future is here and taxes on workers will go up by enough to cover the gap today, but probably not by enough to repay the money he borrowed to spend on basically his approval ratings.
I wonder if there is a connection between Brexit and this asylum influx.
If there is, it is utterly trivial
Migration flows are surging around the world, and migrants are getting more desperate even as others learn how to exploit them with cleverer sales pitches. Is the influx in the Aegean, or in Lampedusa, or at the gates of Ceuta, or on the Tex-Mex border, anything to do with Brexit? Of course not. Yet the surge is real
Brexit is fantastically unimportant in comparison
It depends to what extent we are reliant on the French.
“EXCLUSIVE: New classified report to Congress says only HALF of UFO sightings can be properly explained, leaving nearly 200 mysteries unsolved - as critics say investigators 'glossed over' unknown cases”
Why do the mods give you a pass time after time after time? I thought after yesterday's appalling post that would be it. But no, not even a new nom de plume...
The whole point of the Braverman performance was to tick every hard right box imaginable, using the most inflammatory language, and so to make it impossible for Sunak to sack her without major political repercussions. Her message to him is basically: "If I go, you do too". And Sunak's problem is that she could well be right.
The thing is, she knows she is right; the current level of boat people is unsustainable, and when you know there's no comeback, you can go completely ham on something and challenge people to oppose you.
What is more challenging for her is solving the damn thing.
It's a classic dividing line issue, thought, because the Left - and plenty of (most?) liberal centrists too - refuse to accept it's even an issue, and to the extent they do they argue to make it easier, and therefore cede the entire terrain to the Conservatives - even though they have abjectly failed to solve it.
It's clever politics. It's risky for the Conservatives only if they get outflanked to the Right.
Odd that literally nobody was talking about austerity three months ago, and now it’s become grim necessity all of a sudden.
It’s because Sunak doesn’t seem to believe in anything much politically apart from running a balanced budget. “If we are not for sound money what are we for”.
He doesn't believe in that, though. He deficit-spent to stimulate the economy for two years during Covid, then when his approval ratings dropped, he deficit-spent on the fuel subsidy stimulus. To pay for it he promised taxes would go up in the future. Now the future is here and taxes on workers will go up by enough to cover the gap today, but probably not by enough to repay the money he borrowed to spend on basically his approval ratings.
Seems a long time since ?January when he said he'd cut income tax by 1% in 2024.
Why would an MP fuss over "drafting" a no confidence letter?
All it needs to say is
"Dear Graham, I have no confidence in Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservative party. Kind regards, [Forename] [Surname], MP for [Constituency]".
Well, if it were Liz Truss, for example, she'd really need to take her time and check everything very carefully, to avoid those mistakes that are so easy to fall into - such as signing it "Rishi Sunak".
Liz didn't make any mistakes in her written responses to resignations - she used the correct form as every PM before her had done. I wouldn't want you to make yourself look stupid by unwittingly repeating a falsehood.
If that's the "correct form" for signing a letter I'm a Dutchman!
Why would an MP fuss over "drafting" a no confidence letter?
All it needs to say is
"Dear Graham, I have no confidence in Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservative party. Kind regards, [Forename] [Surname], MP for [Constituency]".
Well, if it were Liz Truss, for example, she'd really need to take her time and check everything very carefully, to avoid those mistakes that are so easy to fall into - such as signing it "Rishi Sunak".
Liz didn't make any mistakes in her written responses to resignations - she used the correct form as every PM before her had done. I wouldn't want you to make yourself look stupid by unwittingly repeating a falsehood.
If that's the "correct form" for signing a letter I'm a Dutchman!
Someone dug up an older letter showing it is in fact the form used.
The whole point of the Braverman performance was to tick every hard right box imaginable, using the most inflammatory language, and so to make it impossible for Sunak to sack her without major political repercussions. Her message to him is basically: "If I go, you do too". And Sunak's problem is that she could well be right.
The thing is, she knows she is right; the current level of boat people is unsustainable, and when you know there's no comeback, you can go completely ham on something and challenge people to oppose you.
What is more challenging for her is solving the damn thing.
It's a classic dividing line issue, thought, because the Left - and plenty of (most?) liberal centrists too - refuse to accept it's even an issue, and to the extent they do they argue to make it easier, and therefore cede the entire terrain to the Conservatives - even though they have abjectly failed to solve it.
It's clever politics. It's risky for the Conservatives only if they get outflanked to the Right.
As discussed upthread, though, it's a symmetric game because ecology works in the same way for the left-wing parties against the Conservatives. It's not quite like the economy or the NHS where they would both like to be seen to give the average person as much free stuff as possible, because nobody gets free stuff so it is entirely about how much you care about the issue.
Odd that literally nobody was talking about austerity three months ago, and now it’s become grim necessity all of a sudden.
One of those times we need a frank national discussion that will never happen. Just more of 'them buggers on a bit more than me are going to have to pay more'
Why would an MP fuss over "drafting" a no confidence letter?
All it needs to say is
"Dear Graham, I have no confidence in Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservative party. Kind regards, [Forename] [Surname], MP for [Constituency]".
Well, if it were Liz Truss, for example, she'd really need to take her time and check everything very carefully, to avoid those mistakes that are so easy to fall into - such as signing it "Rishi Sunak".
Liz didn't make any mistakes in her written responses to resignations - she used the correct form as every PM before her had done. I wouldn't want you to make yourself look stupid by unwittingly repeating a falsehood.
If that's the "correct form" for signing a letter I'm a Dutchman!
Goedenavond heer.
It was the correct form and was not, of course, a signature.
The whole point of the Braverman performance was to tick every hard right box imaginable, using the most inflammatory language, and so to make it impossible for Sunak to sack her without major political repercussions. Her message to him is basically: "If I go, you do too". And Sunak's problem is that she could well be right.
The thing is, she knows she is right; the current level of boat people is unsustainable, and when you know there's no comeback, you can go completely ham on something and challenge people to oppose you.
What is more challenging for her is solving the damn thing.
It's a classic dividing line issue, thought, because the Left - and plenty of (most?) liberal centrists too - refuse to accept it's even an issue, and to the extent they do they argue to make it easier, and therefore cede the entire terrain to the Conservatives - even though they have abjectly failed to solve it.
It's clever politics. It's risky for the Conservatives only if they get outflanked to the Right.
They have to deliver. That's the risk.
They don't, as long as they have someone to blame for the failure- probably Human Rights Lawyers. In fact for some people, solving the problem would render them obsolete and that would never do.
It's horrible, but the retail politics makes sense.
Sort of on topic, did Suella Braverman, a woman who essentially advised the government to ignore laws that didn't suit it, really say she was standing up for the 'law abiding majority?'
Sort of on topic, did Suella Braverman, a woman who essentially advised the government to ignore laws that didn't suit it, really say she was standing up for the 'law abiding majority?'
I'm sure she speaks for many in believing laws are unimportant when they are inconvenient.
Why would an MP fuss over "drafting" a no confidence letter?
All it needs to say is
"Dear Graham, I have no confidence in Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservative party. Kind regards, [Forename] [Surname], MP for [Constituency]".
Well, if it were Liz Truss, for example, she'd really need to take her time and check everything very carefully, to avoid those mistakes that are so easy to fall into - such as signing it "Rishi Sunak".
Liz didn't make any mistakes in her written responses to resignations - she used the correct form as every PM before her had done. I wouldn't want you to make yourself look stupid by unwittingly repeating a falsehood.
If that's the "correct form" for signing a letter I'm a Dutchman!
Goedenavond heer.
It was the correct form and was not, of course, a signature.
True it wasn't a signature. Absurd to claim it was the "correct form" for a letter.
Seriously, someone needs to look at the timeline of the government’s fiscal position and marry it up with the what Johnson/Rishi, then Truss/Kwarteng, then Rishi/Hunt have promised and claimed.
Why would an MP fuss over "drafting" a no confidence letter?
All it needs to say is
"Dear Graham, I have no confidence in Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservative party. Kind regards, [Forename] [Surname], MP for [Constituency]".
Well, if it were Liz Truss, for example, she'd really need to take her time and check everything very carefully, to avoid those mistakes that are so easy to fall into - such as signing it "Rishi Sunak".
Liz didn't make any mistakes in her written responses to resignations - she used the correct form as every PM before her had done. I wouldn't want you to make yourself look stupid by unwittingly repeating a falsehood.
If that's the "correct form" for signing a letter I'm a Dutchman!
Goedenavond heer.
It was the correct form and was not, of course, a signature.
True it wasn't a signature. Absurd to claim it was the "correct form" for a letter.
The whole point of the Braverman performance was to tick every hard right box imaginable, using the most inflammatory language, and so to make it impossible for Sunak to sack her without major political repercussions. Her message to him is basically: "If I go, you do too". And Sunak's problem is that she could well be right.
The thing is, she knows she is right; the current level of boat people is unsustainable, and when you know there's no comeback, you can go completely ham on something and challenge people to oppose you.
What is more challenging for her is solving the damn thing.
It's a classic dividing line issue, thought, because the Left - and plenty of (most?) liberal centrists too - refuse to accept it's even an issue, and to the extent they do they argue to make it easier, and therefore cede the entire terrain to the Conservatives - even though they have abjectly failed to solve it.
It's clever politics. It's risky for the Conservatives only if they get outflanked to the Right.
They have to deliver. That's the risk.
They don't, as long as they have someone to blame for the failure- probably Human Rights Lawyers. In fact for some people, solving the problem would render them obsolete and that would never do.
It's horrible, but the retail politics makes sense.
Rhetoric without delivery after 12 years of power will not reap rewards. Most people are not hate-filled Daily Mail readers who view refugees as sub-human scum who deserve firebombing, diphtheria and detention. They just want solutions. If the Tories are not providing any they will look elsewhere.
Braverman has made herself unsackable. Sunak's fate is tied directly to hers now.
Not really. He hasn't been joined at the hip (let alone more intimately) with her like Liz n kwarty in anything she has done. The ERG would have had a case for putting a horse's head in his bed if he had said he'd make her HS then didn't, but if he sacks her on what everybody agrees is reasonable grounds what they gonna do? GBOL is all for stability when it's an option, so he's gonna say: the no vonc in your first 12 months rule applies. Bear in mind also that voncs don't work, TM and BJ survived them and fell later. "later" than Oct 23 is well into 2024, and election time anyway.
The whole point of the Braverman performance was to tick every hard right box imaginable, using the most inflammatory language, and so to make it impossible for Sunak to sack her without major political repercussions. Her message to him is basically: "If I go, you do too". And Sunak's problem is that she could well be right.
The thing is, she knows she is right; the current level of boat people is unsustainable, and when you know there's no comeback, you can go completely ham on something and challenge people to oppose you.
What is more challenging for her is solving the damn thing.
It's a classic dividing line issue, thought, because the Left - and plenty of (most?) liberal centrists too - refuse to accept it's even an issue, and to the extent they do they argue to make it easier, and therefore cede the entire terrain to the Conservatives - even though they have abjectly failed to solve it.
It's clever politics. It's risky for the Conservatives only if they get outflanked to the Right.
They have to deliver. That's the risk.
Or they could just announce the same target for immigration that they are never going to meet at the next election.
It's sadly in the Tories interest NOT to deliver as they are happier demonising migrants, so no matter how bad it gets, their rhetoric is always in tune with the people who are most concerned with immigration.
Well, yes. I mean, isn't there some law against putting people up in Premier Inns?
I was complaining about Britannia before. Now that is a truly terrible hotel chain.
But there’s nothing actually wrong with Premier Inns. They’re fine. They do what they do. Sometimes the architecture is shockingly bad, but that’s a different issue.
Why would an MP fuss over "drafting" a no confidence letter?
All it needs to say is
"Dear Graham, I have no confidence in Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservative party. Kind regards, [Forename] [Surname], MP for [Constituency]".
Well, if it were Liz Truss, for example, she'd really need to take her time and check everything very carefully, to avoid those mistakes that are so easy to fall into - such as signing it "Rishi Sunak".
Liz didn't make any mistakes in her written responses to resignations - she used the correct form as every PM before her had done. I wouldn't want you to make yourself look stupid by unwittingly repeating a falsehood.
If that's the "correct form" for signing a letter I'm a Dutchman!
Goedenavond heer.
It was the correct form and was not, of course, a signature.
True it wasn't a signature. Absurd to claim it was the "correct form" for a letter.
Friend of mine, loyal Conservative, just sent me a WhatsApp saying she's totally appalled by Braverman and cannot stand her or what she is coming out with. Says she's disgusted.
Okay so this is anecdotal but it's interesting. Clearly some on the very right will love what SB is doing but my friend is hardly on the left of the party - she voted Brexit and is a diehard royalist etc.
This has got her far more upset than Sunak missing COP27.
(N.B. it's fair to say that our friendship sometimes comes under strain around politics )
UKIP songwriters everywhere on tenterhooks to learn the name of the 66 y.o. firebomber from High Wycombe. The English Horst Wessel/Battle Hymn of Lt. Calley is waiting to be written.
Well, yes. I mean, isn't there some law against putting people up in Premier Inns?
Tip. When you are about to post your one-liners, pause and ask yourself if they fall into the category of facetious or, worse, snide rather than funny.
Why would an MP fuss over "drafting" a no confidence letter?
All it needs to say is
"Dear Graham, I have no confidence in Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservative party. Kind regards, [Forename] [Surname], MP for [Constituency]".
Well, if it were Liz Truss, for example, she'd really need to take her time and check everything very carefully, to avoid those mistakes that are so easy to fall into - such as signing it "Rishi Sunak".
Liz didn't make any mistakes in her written responses to resignations - she used the correct form as every PM before her had done. I wouldn't want you to make yourself look stupid by unwittingly repeating a falsehood.
If that's the "correct form" for signing a letter I'm a Dutchman!
Ask Pochdale Rioneers, he made a tit of himself about it too.
Why would an MP fuss over "drafting" a no confidence letter?
All it needs to say is
"Dear Graham, I have no confidence in Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservative party. Kind regards, [Forename] [Surname], MP for [Constituency]".
Well, if it were Liz Truss, for example, she'd really need to take her time and check everything very carefully, to avoid those mistakes that are so easy to fall into - such as signing it "Rishi Sunak".
Liz didn't make any mistakes in her written responses to resignations - she used the correct form as every PM before her had done. I wouldn't want you to make yourself look stupid by unwittingly repeating a falsehood.
If that's the "correct form" for signing a letter I'm a Dutchman!
Goedenavond heer.
It was the correct form and was not, of course, a signature.
True it wasn't a signature. Absurd to claim it was the "correct form" for a letter.
Except it is.
Have you ever used it?
Has he ever accepted the resignation of a Chancellor of the Exchequer?
Just had a little nibble on "Next GE 2024 or later" at 1/3 with Ladbrokes. I can see a route to more government chaos in 2023, and even another leader, but I don't see a GE, so a 33% return over 14 months seems a fair bet.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/diana-johnson-channel-government-french-mps-b2210968.html
I'm sure many are a surprise on the upside, but if that description is right it sounds like starvation food only.
When Labour become the government in 2024 (as they surely will) this will be their problem. I wonder what they will do, with so many on their side saying, in effect “just let them all in”
The pull factor needs to be eliminated. The success rate of the channel crossings needs to go down to zero, and the nearer it can get to zero, the more the situation will ease.
The move was revealed in US Securities and Exchange Commission filings.
On 27 October, following the "consummation" of Mr Musk's takeover deal, he became the sole director of Twitter, it says.
Admittedly many of them ARE offal, but they can be nice - like the late night tripe sandwiches in Florence - and, yes, sometimes you literally want to throw up, but I don’t see the point in travelling - to see new things - then not trying new foods. Isn’t that the point? Newness. We travel for the New
I'm under strict instructions not to reveal to Mrs Eek where we are going - but I keep on wanting to sing an Ultravox song.
These people are completely incompetent and clueless. Do not let them anywhere near our finances. They are unwilling to fund anything that seems like it might be helping refugees so end up paying many multiples extra in emergency fixes instead. And that money comes from us and the lack of planning and investment does nothing to help manage migration.
However, they all involve spending money and or proper planning which the government won’t do and is possibly not capable of.
It prefers to grandstand.
What is more challenging for her is solving the damn thing.
@jessphillips
https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1587140771718860805?s=46&t=jj_4fS92tOBU7xJJcKHtpw
He then did a Boris Johnson tribute act for his first PMQs and chose as his first policy announcement that COP 2 would be ignored.
As the criticism rained down-what did he expect-he announced he might go after all. Then the doubts started to return.......
Being charitable he suffers from small man syndrome. More likely he's just been over promoted. The Emperor without clothes. Put your money on Hunt
The French will never let us return these people. The French want them gone. It is politically impossible for a French Prez to accept us returning them
The idea that “faster, better funded asylum services” will slow the flood is utterly ridiculous liberal bollocks. It just means that those who get accepted at glossy new asylum centres will be welcomed in, faster, and those that get refused will, er, come across the Channel as they do now. Where they will be accepted, as well
It is astonishing that 90% of PB-ers (not a dim group of people) seem unable to grasp this
Fiscal black hole is “eye-watering”.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-31/sunak-hunt-say-it-s-inevitable-all-britons-will-pay-more-tax
Odd that literally nobody was talking about austerity three months ago, and now it’s become grim necessity all of a sudden.
I accept that they are now a wider, national joke viewed ironically on all sides, but I believe there is authenticity at the heart
Cf deep fried pizza slices
But I don't expect Suella Braverman to be able to fix it.
It didn't involve boats.
It's clever politics. It's risky for the Conservatives only if they get outflanked to the Right.
Some of us seem to think that the fiscal statement, when it comes, will make the government more popular.
Migration flows are surging around the world, and migrants are getting more desperate even as others learn how to exploit them with cleverer sales pitches. Is the influx in the Aegean, or in Lampedusa, or at the gates of Ceuta, or on the Tex-Mex border, anything to do with Brexit? Of course not. Yet the surge is real
Brexit is fantastically unimportant in comparison
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1436344387185872898?s=20&t=2QnUQm19Pj5jw_UZvQ5JPg
And here's fullfact on the matter:
https://fullfact.org/online/kwasi-kwarteng-letter-signature/
It's time.
It's time for Liz Truss.
Mary Elizabeth Truss.
2.0
BRING IT
It was the correct form and was not, of course, a signature.
It's horrible, but the retail politics makes sense.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/politics/political-expert-tells-media-to-stop-getting-played-by-republican-polling-averages-flooding-the-zone/ar-AA13yMz4?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d24d4ad71e3a4e2a9e55bffd22c506b0
@OnlyLivingBoy?
Clearly the economy is underperforming because of the supply shock of energy prices, and perhaps Covid overhang too.
So the response to a worsening economic forecast is…austerity 3.0?
Braverman
Yet the party has had twelve years. Only twelve years to fix this.
It's sadly in the Tories interest NOT to deliver as they are happier demonising migrants, so no matter how bad it gets, their rhetoric is always in tune with the people who are most concerned with immigration.
But there’s nothing actually wrong with Premier Inns. They’re fine. They do what they do. Sometimes the architecture is shockingly bad, but that’s a different issue.
Okay so this is anecdotal but it's interesting. Clearly some on the very right will love what SB is doing but my friend is hardly on the left of the party - she voted Brexit and is a diehard royalist etc.
This has got her far more upset than Sunak missing COP27.
(N.B. it's fair to say that our friendship sometimes comes under strain around politics
That’s silly.
She’s effectively challenging him to sack her, and - if he does - promising to set herself as the kaisereine across the water if he does.
What a lovely lady she is.
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1587139368728272903?s=20&t=GGrR4w6U18e1wdeHC0uCmQ
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Just had a little nibble on "Next GE 2024 or later" at 1/3 with Ladbrokes. I can see a route to more government chaos in 2023, and even another leader, but I don't see a GE, so a 33% return over 14 months seems a fair bet.
https://twitter.com/makiwi/status/1322494883802828800